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July 10, 2025 11 mins
“What’s more painful—watching your bullpen blow an 8-run game or watching your #1 draft pick risk injury in a meaningless summer league matchup?”In this high-energy, brutally honest, and laugh-out-loud episode of The Ben and Skin Show, Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray—tackle two of the hottest topics in DFW sports: the much-hyped debut of Cooper Flagg in a Mavericks jersey and the Texas Rangers’ latest bullpen disaster.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Now school around the sports, KTD queens as all the sport.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yes, the most highly anticipated basketball game in the last
forty eight to seventy two hours.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
It's Summer League. Baby.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
This time it means business and the mass play tonight
at seven with more on that. It's Jeff skin Wave.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
All right, this is thank you, everybody, thank you, thank
you very much everybody stopping me on. So tonight is
the first night we will see Cooper Flag in a
Dallas Mavericks uniform playing organized basketball. Whether or not that's
actually good basketball is a totally different discussion. So let

(00:48):
me just go ahead and offer up joarndiced old man opinion.
I really struggle to watch Summer League basketball as a
man who loves basketball, it's not my favorite kind of basketball. However,
there's going to be a lot of buzz tonight because
it's Cooper Flag and on the other side is Brownie
James and it's national broadcast and that is very exciting.

(01:12):
So what time and what channel? Seven o'clock? Locally it's
on k KFAA, which is channel twenty nine. I believe
it is also on ESPN's national broadcast.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Okay, I personally am stoked most summer league basketball is terrible.
I mean this will be terrible too, but the Cooper
Flag parts will be phenomenal. I just hope they. It'll
be the only thing that'll be disappointing for me is
if he barely plays.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
I bet he'll play, so he's only it's very rare
for the number one pick in the draft to play
more than two summer league games. So tonight and then
on Saturday they're going to play the Spurs, which means
Dylan Harper the number two pick in the draft. Right,
So I suspect if you want to see Cooper Flag
this summer in a ketball game that actually has referees

(02:01):
running up and down a floor, you'll need to watch tonight,
or you'll need to watch Saturday. And I bet he'll
play twenty eighteen to twenty minutes in both nights. Great,
and I bet for both nights every well, I mean
that's not the way basketball works, but the majority of
the time he will be initiating the offense.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Oh, I love it.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Okay, tonight, when Cooper Flag plays, what's the over under
on how.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Many dunks he has in eighteen to twenty.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Minutes, assuming that's what it is but that's the wild card.
Maybe plays more, maybe he plays less.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Can I set it for his combined total for all
the summer league action?

Speaker 3 (02:38):
No, just in tonight's game, well one and a half.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I'm pulling it up.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Taking the over. Oh you think you can actually bet
on it?

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Man? You can bet on how long? You can bet
on how many drops the sweat. Brodie James will hit
the floor. I think he'll get the over. I think
he'll have at least two dunks.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I'm not getting dunks actually, But and that's it appears
all these websites are just so blocked in the state
I'm trying to get on. Uh yeah, I think he'll
I I just hope he gets a good run out there.
I really don't want him attacking the rim at all.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
What.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
I just want ed to sweat and go jogging. I
don't want Hi getting hurt. This guy's ready. He is
the guy that has a shoe deal with New Balance.
So if he's just out there in running shoes, some
old man dad New Balance shoes.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Man.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
I looked at the mav Summer League roster and I
was expecting to see a couple of guys from the
team like not veterans. But you know, I thought there
would be a couple of guys out there and it's
summer league, Like, what, what's the guy they just got
from Baylor that was like out there in the streets
and end up starting games for him and had eighteen
points or something like that. I figured maybe that guy

(03:41):
plays that little point guard.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
What's then you're gonna hard tonight? Yeah, dude, that's that's
where I was going next. I'm more excited about Ryan
nim Hard than anything. I can't believe they got that guy. Yeah,
like that is a guy that honestly could start for
the MAVs. Brother his brother starts for the Pacers.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
Ryan nim Hard averaged ten assist a game in college.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, let the nation right.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yes, that sounds like a joke. Name. His name is
Ryan Ryan dem.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Hard them Hard. Yeah, I like where you're going with this. Uh,
that's what I'm excited about. I'm excited about Ryan Neimhart.
I can't believe they.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
It's how I can tell that. I can tell. I
tell they're excited because them Hard.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah. Uh seven and a half, this is over under
tonight for points Hard.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yeah, dunks, he's six foot he would have gone in
the first round if he was six to two.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Browny's over unders nine and a half and Cooper flag
is eighteen and a half.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
I'll take the under on eighteen and a half.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Playing that much, I mean, it's very similar to when
he came in town and played SMU and scored eighteen
Because he played.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Like nine minutes.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
I think, like that's the thing that could make you
lose your mind. Uh is the nim Hart will be
a two way guy for the Mavericks, but a team
that needs playmaking and has uh you know k he's
not going to be back until April or March, mid
March something like that. That's a guy that could get

(05:06):
legitimate minutes. And he's very very smart. Like if you
you know, whatever you want to do and go. The
media goes and ask the coach questions after practice, Cooper
Flagg's talking about nem Hard, you know, Josh Brogerard's talking
about he's their summer league coach. He's talking about nem Hard.

(05:27):
That's the thing where like, hey man, how did we
get Like this is the same way I felt about
when they got Jayden Hardy, right, Like how they get
Jayden Hardy? They didn't have a second round pick. That's amazing.
May not work out, but he to me, that's a
very exciting development. Why wouldn't Kai Jones or Brandon Williams
play because they've got a bunch of NBA minutes, so

(05:48):
there's no point a figure out. They have guaranteed contracts.
I mean, Brandon Williams is I think three years removed
from college and he's got a deal. Huh what about
Omax still o Max has already played two years of
Summer League. They can't, Well you can, but he's like
man insult. He doesn't get NBA minutes.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
So I mean he played.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
He played more NBA minutes this year than he would
play in all of Summer League.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
And I guess if you want like part of me
is like okay, they'd want some guys who are at
least decent to help with the Cooper Flag transition. But
if he's only going to play two games, they're just
got your roster. They're just trying to keep him in bubble,
right man.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
Yeah, like last year Jaden Hardy, remember they moved him
to point guard, but it was just his second Summer league,
so this guys rarely play summer League after two years
very rarely.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
All right, well, we still get to watch Cooper flag
tonight and I stoked about it.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
I cannot wait.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Coming up next part two of Around the Sports, we'll
talk a little Texas Rangers baseball at the Fubu.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
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(07:07):
and Resort in Durant, Oklahoma. But right now we're gonna
continue talking about sports and with moretz Kevin.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
All right, so the Rangers are still in the mix,
you guys. But last night I had him on and
they're hitting the ball. So they don't do that very often.
So when they's score some runs like we're gonna win, right,
they got up three to nothing and then they're starting
pitcher Kumar Rocker decided let's see how many home runs
I can give up. He was like doing an audition

(07:34):
for the Home Run Derby and starring as the role
of pitcher, and so that wasn't good. But the Rangers
came back and Marcus Simeon, who's awesome. Now again, HiT's
a home run. So they go up eight six and
you're like, we got it, we got him now, and
the bullpen gives up two more runs. That's eight eight,
and they put in my least favorite ranger of all time.
I'm ready to go ahead and just call it that.

(07:56):
Luke Jackson is my least favorite ranger of all time. Now,
I know he's not well known or a household name,
but he came into the year as our projected closer.
After he blew the save on opening Day, he went
ahead and decided that he had a big when he
goes into games. Basically, he does a remix of Lack
of Prayer by Madonna, and they turned the stadium lights
down and everyone waves their cell phone lights. I know

(08:18):
I've talked about this a few times on the show
in the past, but for those new listeners, thank you
for listening. So Luke Jackson already has an aura of
I'm about to go shut everyone down with my ninety
one mile per hour fastballop. Yeah, about nine miles per
hour less than you'd like from your closer type. So

(08:39):
then he gives up two runs real quick, just like that.
Another guy gets on base and he doesn't even check him,
and guy steals second base, and it's like a known thing,
like he just doesn't check when runners are on base.
He's awful and he sucks, and I want him out
of here. I also want Bruce Boche to go ahead
and retire, like it's time. We've got a manager in waiting.

(09:00):
Is supposed to be We're supposed to be tight. We're
supposed to be good at the fundamentals. Dude, when we
score eight runs, we can't lose. We never score eight runs.
And when the defense and bullpen let you down, and
pitching everything's been good for you let you down on
the same.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Night you score. He doesn't need to retire in July.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
He should go hang out with his grandkids.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Let's be well, get to the end of the year,
because we just had that athletic poll that set every
player wants to play for Boach. Let's just get to
the end of the year and reshuffle the deck.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
We also had a guy who got cut by the
team a few months ago on a podcast, you know,
talking about how no one really has good vibes. Oh
Evan Carter, Hey man, your head cannot be in your
ass when the game is happening, dude, due they don't
have any attention to detail whatsoever for a team that's
supposed to be good.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
It's the biggest bizarro thing ever. If you've been a
Ranger fan and all they've ever had is offense and
no pitching. To suddenly be in a situation where those
roles are revers and all you have is pitching and
no offense. I do wonder if you know they kind
of caught lightning in a bottle, got hot at the
right time, and won a World Series, which is shocking
because they're surrounded by a bunch of kind of pedestrian

(10:09):
mediocre baseball. Besides that hot, streaking World Series, and I'm
just curious if.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
They might be sellers at the deadline.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
They've done nothing to make Chris Young go. I need
to get on the phone and give them some help
because they do dumb stuff every night. That's what drives
me nuts. They do dumb things and I thought Boch's
supposed to be like that part's supposed to be like
rooted out right.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
You know what's great though about watching a Ranger game,
it's just having Bassett go off on everybody.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Actually it's great. I mean it is great.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
He's like, uh okay, yeah, so if he had actually
positioned himself better, there wouldn't have been a runner advanced
a second.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
But since he kind of just you.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Know, loped it in there, now we have a guy
on second, you know, and it's it's not basic on
the fan, but it's just one notch below and if
you know Bassic, you and you hear his tone and
so you know what he's really thinking. Also, you know,
he's grinding his teeth and he's ready to just punch Hicks.
He well, Hicks, he's not with him, but Josh, Dave,
Dave Raymond, sorry, he'll get there. Yeah, it's it's really funny, man,

(11:13):
It is really really fun it is.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
I just wanted to get the Rangers a quick shout
out right now. I think they still got a cab
a chance, Yeah, they do. Stuff of last night drives
me nuts. Why does everyone else have to go run
and hide when the offense finally hits it. Just it
makes me mad. But tonight we'll do it. We'll try
it again, because it's baseball.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
No, you're still wearing a Rangers hat though, man.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I'm wearing it for good luck. Also wearing a Colorado
Rockies T shirt.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Who are by the way, have you all?

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Y'all seen there?

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Right man, let's go to break.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Twenty one and seventy two? Right now?

Speaker 4 (11:45):
All right, all right, there's your Colorado Rockies update.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Ninety seven won the Eagle. Then she was right all right?
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