December 16, 2025 • 6 mins
It’s Cussin’ the Cowboys, where Jerry Jones’ comments about defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus spark a fiery debate. Is continuity killing the team? Why are the linebackers a disaster? And did the Jones family sabotage their own season?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tomorrow, we'll be doing our show from three to six
at the Torches Tacos in Frisco at Preston and one
twenty one right next to Stonebrier. We'll be there from
three to six and we're giving away MAVs tickets. So
come join us for a live remote broadcast of the
Bending Skin Show. Torchies Tacos and Frisco Won twenty one
in Preston right next to Stonebrier.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
But right now it's time for this come Ony.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Surprise. So Jerry Jones did his interview with the Fan
this morning with Sean RJ and Bobby. And now keep
(00:45):
in mind, earlier in the year, Jerry's made multiple comments
about want in continuity at the defensive coordinator position. I
don't think he loves that They went Mike Nolan to
Dan Quinn, to Mike Zimmer to Maddy Reflus. He wants
to lock in. He's said that multi times. We need
to keep that, but he not.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
In charge of doing that. And like he's in charge,
and that's what they've done.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
You would think, you know, Mike McCarthy hired his own
defensive coordinator, but you know, dan Quinn was highly available
and that was a clear like big get for them.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Was dan Quinn here two years or three three years?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, uh and then Zimmer was your kind of emergency
year last year because they when dan Quinn got the
Washington job, and they decided to call up an old friend,
which is what they do, and that's how they got Eberflesh.
By the way, you refused, I agreed with the hiring
at the time. Uh Nerfless was a head coach. Didn't
work out for him in Chicago, but it wasn't the
defense's fault. It was the offensive fault. And Matt Eraflus
(01:38):
the problem. I think for me if you think about
things as uh, well, the linebackers, he's the old linebacker
coach here. Why is the linebackers the real weak link
of our team? That's not good. So he's answering a
question about Matt Ebraflus, and he said this. He said
he's been very pleased at the defense is played at
a level that he did not expect. He also noted
that he's surprised by how poorly the linebackers have played.
(02:02):
He also said that coaches should adapt their scheme to
the players. He said, I'm satisfied with the players that
we have and what we're trying to really do well.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Oh, which is very hard to.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
He's disappointed in the linebackers, but he's satisfied with the
players that.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
He said multiple times that he likes the players. He
likes the bones of the team. He likes the players
they have on defense. I will say, up for debate,
who's in charge of some of the players that got
brought in Kenneth Murray. It's been you know, multiple people
have said that's an e refluce, like he refluce, hand
picked him, get him in here.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I don't know the past there. I don't know what
that's about. Jack from Tennessee, right, Yeah it's in.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Tennessee, But who knows, he might have liked him coming
out of college or whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
You know, Kenneth Murray's the first round pick or second
round pick. He might be the worst player in the
NFL this year.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
He's the joke. He is a punchline. Like he's the
Cowboys like everyone's talking about all the time. But they
trav for Logan Wilson, and I don't know the Logan
Wilson's any better, and I don't know that he's any
worse either, So.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Both are just guys. It was just guys.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Sanborn was just a guy before he got hurt, but
he was a hustle guy.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
But he also said that this He said he would
prefer to have continuity defensive coordinator. But the results continue
to head in this direction. It sounds like he's gonna
make a change. The other thing, he said candidly, just
to be very upfront about it. I think if we
could have gotten this defense in better shape earlier, that
we could be sitting here with the kind of wins
that would have not had us in this tight spot.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
That's right him.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yes, but the Jets were zero to five, so I
don't think you had to wait till November fourth to
trade for Quentin Williams. I think you could have called
and asked them mid October. No, some people do you
think though, that that was a you could have called
and done it at the draft. He chose to trade
Mike Parsons a week before the season started.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's on you, old man, No doubt. All this goes
back to the same thing. It always goes back to
the Joneses.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah, they sabotaged their own season, they did, but now.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
We need a scapegoat.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Let's blame this guy, but I'm okay with it. The
guy they brought in. You should, you should?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
He does it. It is the lack of adjustments are
It's infuriating. It's like Stockholm syndrome.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Though, like you know, we all are conditioned because we've
dealt with this for so long. We realize that Jerry
and Steven that that's never gonna change. It's always gonna
be the Jones family business. So we look at what
is the next thing that could be the problem. And
there he's smart enough to he understands marketing. He's like,
fans won Aberflus gone, all right, that's gonna be the march.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Now we got to get Eberflus out of here.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And so like now people are like, oh good, Jerry's
gonna maybe roll ebra Flus out of here.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Jerry's the problem.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yeah, I'd like them to bring Zimmer back. Dem I
don't think I think that was that was a joke.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Was terrible.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Here he was, And the numbers do do prove that.
I mean they were twenty eighth in yards per game
last year. There this year they're twenty ninth and thirty first.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
They do need continuity, but just because you need continuity
doesn't mean you let the guy who's there that sucks
stay like you to have somebody good and have continuity. Okay,
but hold on, we have two years back to back
of the defense being terrible and Jerry sitting there going
I like the players, man, I don't like the schemes
we're rolling out. It's these defensive coordinators back to back
years that we picked that aren't getting all these badasses
(05:16):
playing at a high level. I mean, we had Ready
Stewart out there. How come we're not winning a Super Bowl?
Is that the guy's name Ready to Stewart? Yeah, there is.
My son who works in college football, was telling me
about a safety who's going to be a top ten
pick in Ohio date. He says he's probably the best
player in the entire draft, but typically people don't use
(05:37):
high picks on safeties, so he might.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Slip to like ten to fourteen.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Is he related to the great Michael Downs who played
safety for the Dallas Cowboys and cornerback back in the year.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I just think about, like, you know, you got to
go best available, but and they also need to be
active in free agency. But yeah, you need a safety,
you need probably two linebackers, and you need an edge
rusher and maybe a corner.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Well, you're any corner helped to they should probably get
all that in the draft. Starter caliber guys, Well, you
gave some of your picks back to the Jets though.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
That's ye like he's a guy interception. All right. There
you have it. There's cussing the Cowboys, all right.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Coming up in just about three minutes, a new surf
resort is coming to McKinney at one twenty one in Stacey.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
That's in Skins backyard. We'll talk about that next
Tomorrow, we'll be doing our show from three to six
at the Torches Tacos in Frisco at Preston and one
twenty one right next to Stonebrier. We'll be there from
three to six and we're giving away MAVs tickets. So
come join us for a live remote broadcast of the
Bending Skin Show. Torchies Tacos and Frisco Won twenty one
in Preston right next to Stonebrier.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
But right now it's time for this come Ony.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Surprise. So Jerry Jones did his interview with the Fan
this morning with Sean RJ and Bobby. And now keep
(00:45):
in mind, earlier in the year, Jerry's made multiple comments
about want in continuity at the defensive coordinator position. I
don't think he loves that They went Mike Nolan to
Dan Quinn, to Mike Zimmer to Maddy Reflus. He wants
to lock in. He's said that multi times. We need
to keep that, but he not.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
In charge of doing that. And like he's in charge,
and that's what they've done.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
You would think, you know, Mike McCarthy hired his own
defensive coordinator, but you know, dan Quinn was highly available
and that was a clear like big get for them.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Was dan Quinn here two years or three three years?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, uh and then Zimmer was your kind of emergency
year last year because they when dan Quinn got the
Washington job, and they decided to call up an old friend,
which is what they do, and that's how they got Eberflesh.
By the way, you refused, I agreed with the hiring
at the time. Uh Nerfless was a head coach. Didn't
work out for him in Chicago, but it wasn't the
defense's fault. It was the offensive fault. And Matt Eraflus
(01:38):
the problem. I think for me if you think about
things as uh, well, the linebackers, he's the old linebacker
coach here. Why is the linebackers the real weak link
of our team? That's not good. So he's answering a
question about Matt Ebraflus, and he said this. He said
he's been very pleased at the defense is played at
a level that he did not expect. He also noted
that he's surprised by how poorly the linebackers have played.
(02:02):
He also said that coaches should adapt their scheme to
the players. He said, I'm satisfied with the players that
we have and what we're trying to really do well.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Oh, which is very hard to.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
He's disappointed in the linebackers, but he's satisfied with the
players that.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
He said multiple times that he likes the players. He
likes the bones of the team. He likes the players
they have on defense. I will say, up for debate,
who's in charge of some of the players that got
brought in Kenneth Murray. It's been you know, multiple people
have said that's an e refluce, like he refluce, hand
picked him, get him in here.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I don't know the past there. I don't know what
that's about. Jack from Tennessee, right, Yeah it's in.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Tennessee, But who knows, he might have liked him coming
out of college or whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
You know, Kenneth Murray's the first round pick or second
round pick. He might be the worst player in the
NFL this year.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
He's the joke. He is a punchline. Like he's the
Cowboys like everyone's talking about all the time. But they
trav for Logan Wilson, and I don't know the Logan
Wilson's any better, and I don't know that he's any
worse either, So.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Both are just guys. It was just guys.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Sanborn was just a guy before he got hurt, but
he was a hustle guy.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
But he also said that this He said he would
prefer to have continuity defensive coordinator. But the results continue
to head in this direction. It sounds like he's gonna
make a change. The other thing, he said candidly, just
to be very upfront about it. I think if we
could have gotten this defense in better shape earlier, that
we could be sitting here with the kind of wins
that would have not had us in this tight spot.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
That's right him.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yes, but the Jets were zero to five, so I
don't think you had to wait till November fourth to
trade for Quentin Williams. I think you could have called
and asked them mid October. No, some people do you
think though, that that was a you could have called
and done it at the draft. He chose to trade
Mike Parsons a week before the season started.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's on you, old man, No doubt. All this goes
back to the same thing. It always goes back to
the Joneses.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah, they sabotaged their own season, they did, but now.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
We need a scapegoat.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Let's blame this guy, but I'm okay with it. The
guy they brought in. You should, you should?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
He does it. It is the lack of adjustments are
It's infuriating. It's like Stockholm syndrome.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Though, like you know, we all are conditioned because we've
dealt with this for so long. We realize that Jerry
and Steven that that's never gonna change. It's always gonna
be the Jones family business. So we look at what
is the next thing that could be the problem. And
there he's smart enough to he understands marketing. He's like,
fans won Aberflus gone, all right, that's gonna be the march.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Now we got to get Eberflus out of here.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And so like now people are like, oh good, Jerry's
gonna maybe roll ebra Flus out of here.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Jerry's the problem.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yeah, I'd like them to bring Zimmer back. Dem I
don't think I think that was that was a joke.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Was terrible.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Here he was, And the numbers do do prove that.
I mean they were twenty eighth in yards per game
last year. There this year they're twenty ninth and thirty first.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
They do need continuity, but just because you need continuity
doesn't mean you let the guy who's there that sucks
stay like you to have somebody good and have continuity. Okay,
but hold on, we have two years back to back
of the defense being terrible and Jerry sitting there going
I like the players, man, I don't like the schemes
we're rolling out. It's these defensive coordinators back to back
years that we picked that aren't getting all these badasses
(05:16):
playing at a high level. I mean, we had Ready
Stewart out there. How come we're not winning a Super Bowl?
Is that the guy's name Ready to Stewart? Yeah, there is.
My son who works in college football, was telling me
about a safety who's going to be a top ten
pick in Ohio date. He says he's probably the best
player in the entire draft, but typically people don't use
(05:37):
high picks on safeties, so he might.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Slip to like ten to fourteen.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Is he related to the great Michael Downs who played
safety for the Dallas Cowboys and cornerback back in the year.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I just think about, like, you know, you got to
go best available, but and they also need to be
active in free agency. But yeah, you need a safety,
you need probably two linebackers, and you need an edge
rusher and maybe a corner.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Well, you're any corner helped to they should probably get
all that in the draft. Starter caliber guys, Well, you
gave some of your picks back to the Jets though.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
That's ye like he's a guy interception. All right. There
you have it. There's cussing the Cowboys, all right.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Coming up in just about three minutes, a new surf
resort is coming to McKinney at one twenty one in Stacey.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
That's in Skins backyard. We'll talk about that next
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