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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Part five of our deep dive expose into the Durham indictments,
the new indictments that have come out, And if you're
Hillary Clinton, you have to be terrified of what you
are witnessing. You are witnessing the people around you, they
were supposed to be protecting you going down for lying
to the FBI. You are saying that Durham doesn't seem

(00:23):
to be stopping. In fact, he seems to be doing
the opposite of stopping his investigation and or wrapping it up.
If you are Adam Schiff, you are also feeling the heat.
Now why because of what is being said right now
around you and the lines that you told. Now, let

(00:45):
me remind you about Adam Schiff. Adam Schiff is a
guy that took the entire Still dossier and read that
dossier into the record of Congress. This is the guy
who decided to read the entire Still dossier not only
into the record, but this is the guy that, while

(01:08):
he was reading the Steal dossier into the record, said
it was fact, said that people should go to jail,
said it was worse than Watergate, and the entire time,
we now know that he knew that he was a
part of the collusion to overthrow the world the people
in an election. This is not even about Donald Trump
at this point, and I've been saying that because I

(01:29):
want people to understand how big of a deal that says.
This is not just about Donald Trump. This is about
the Democratic Party, the head of the FBI, State Department,
the deep State, the Obama administration, Biden and even his
team now with his National Security advisor who is in
on this. This is about all of them, added up

(01:51):
folks saying we don't like how the American people decided
an election, so we're just gonna change it. We're just
gonna flip it. We're just gonna change the outcome of
the election and just decide that we're gonna make it
different because we can. They knew the entire time they
were investigating and impeaching Donald Trump. Adam Schiff knew that

(02:13):
it was all based on lies, and he didn't care
because he was gonna do it anyway. He was gonna
do it anyway because he was hell bent on overthrowing
the will of the people, because he's smarter than the people,
he is better than the American people. This is, by
the way, exactly what dictators do and what socialists do
in the media of the deep state, they work with

(02:34):
the media to sell it same thing they're doing Russia's
and then doing Cubas and the need to do in
other their world countries. They sell you on this crap,
and they sell you on this crap because they're excited
about it. They sell you on it because they want
they want to show just how powerful they are. They
literally this is what they fantasize about. They fantasize about

(02:57):
changing what is going on in this country. They fantasize
about being able to decide who is going to be
in charge. And if you pick wrong, it doesn't matter
because they just do what they want to do. They
fantasize about. It is what they do. This is how
they do it. Now. Adam Schiff was on TV this morning.

(03:22):
He was questioned about the Still dossier, as it has
clearly been debunked as total crap. It's clear that there
was Russian collusion, and the collusion was between Hillary Clinton,
the Clinton campaign, her lawyers, top level people at the
Russian Federation including Flatter and Putin's press secretary and staff members. Okay,

(03:43):
it was collusion. There is no doubt it was significant collusion,
no doubt, it was an incredible amount of collusion between
the DNC members of Congress on the House and the
Senate side. Schiff was one of them. And he's now
got to sell this lie until I mean, he knows

(04:04):
this ship's on fire, he knows it's going down. But
at this point you can't undo this. You just got
to keep telling the lie. Take a listen guard by
US intelligence when you look at just what has become public.
Some of the public information is very much in line
with what is reported in that dossier. And the most
significant thing to me is that Christopher Steel may have
found out even before our own intelligence agencies that the

(04:26):
Russians were in fact aiming to help Donald Trump in
the election. As Chair of the House Intelligence Committee, do
you regret giving some credibility to the Steele dosier before
anybody had been able to verify anything in that a
lot of those clips were done before there was any
good verification. Look, there's some news organizations that made the
mistake of publishing this dosier without verifying it. That's a

(04:48):
separate conversation with those news organizations. But you helped give
it credibility. Do you regret it. I don't regret saying
that we should investigate claims of someone who, frankly was
well respected British intelligence officer, and we couldn't have known,
of course, years ago, that we would learn years later
that someone who was a primary source lied to him.

(05:09):
I love this, right, Oh, this was a top level,
well respected British intelligence officer. Not if you actually did
any research. That's just a flat out lie. This guy
had been shady well before he was hired by you
guys and your team and the Democratic National Committee that
you're under and Hillary Clinton's campaign. You guys hired him

(05:30):
because he was shady. You didn't hire him because he
was respectable, because any respectable person wouldn't do what he
just did. They wanted a shady person to create and
fabricate things because remember, no one in the Clinton campaign
thought that they were being sold crap. Okay, no one.
No one in the Clinton campaign thought that they were

(05:55):
actually buying intelligence. It was valid, that was authentic, that
was real. Nobody does. They were saying, we need you
to make something up so we can then leak it
to the media. They can run with a story, then
they can investigate the Trumps for other things, because we're
convinc there's got to be something there that we can

(06:16):
nail him on. That's what they were saying. That's it,
plain and simple. But what I just said with the
clip you just played ends up being exactly right, which
is Steele did reveal that the Russians were trying to
help elect Donald Trump. That turned out to be all
too true. That's not true at all. What we do
know is that the Russian Federation was working with the

(06:38):
Hillary Clinton campaign. We know that you guys where you
were doing the doncier that you paid for. We know
for a fact that when you guys were doing this, okay,
when you were doing this, we know that the Russian

(06:59):
Federation understood what was happening, including the press secretary for
Vladian Putin and his staff. So the idea that this
was somehow true, he's a psycho and meet the press
should be embarrassed and ashamed that they put Adam shift
on there today and then he actually said something as stupid.

(07:19):
But remember the media is in on it too, So
how do they get through this? Right? You have Adam
Shift on, you ask him a semi tough question with
no follow ups, and then you act like the story's
over even though it's actually not. And in fact, the
Trump campaign chairman was giving internal campaign polling data to

(07:39):
Russian intelligence while Russian intelligence was trying to help elect
Donald Trump, so they also not true. If that was true,
then he would have been indicted for that with colluding,
and he wasn't. And and what we know from the
Mueller investigation is not a single person, including Paul Manafort,
was charged the crime of colluding with the What he

(08:01):
just said was a lie. And all you have to
do is ask the Mueller team and they will tell
you the same thing. But why would you why would
you tell the truth? Right? Let Adam Shift come on
TV and save the media, the same people that put
him on TV. You gotta save him, right, gotta save
him at all costs. The top line there of Russian

(08:21):
help and trump willingness to accept it and make use
of it, proved all too accurate. Okay, the summary was accurate,
but the details were incorrect. That does undermine the credibility,
does it not. Yeah, See, there's our media question we
got we gotta ask you about the credibility. Here's our
tough question. We're gonna let you answer it and then
we're gonna move on and we never have to talk
about this story ever again. That's how we roll. This

(08:44):
is how we do this, folks. When the media gets
caught lying to you and colluding for two years with
Hillary Clinton, four years, I say, the DNC, the list
goes on on. This is how you get out of it.
I just have to back it up a little bit here.
And it is so funny when you hear these show

(09:06):
hosts at Meet the Press at ABC this week and
all these other shows where there they get to like
separate themselves from four plus years of propaganda of colluding
with the Russians, Hillary Clinton campaign, the deep state at
the FBI, came Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi, impeaching the president
once but twice, and then now all of a sudden,

(09:28):
they get to act like they weren't involved in selling
this to the American people, which they clearly were, and
they were quickly involved in the conspiracy to overthrow the
will of the people. And you call Adam Schiff right
and you're like, hey, man, I helped to sell this
crap for four years. I'm taking a lot of heat.
I need you to come on. So I look like,

(09:49):
I'm a journalist because you need me to look like
a journalist too. You need me, and all I need
to do is come on the show. I'll ask a
couple of quote tough questions. They probably you know, same
in advance. He kind of knows where they're going to
go with this, and they say, look, if you do this,
then we can just move on, right, we can move
on quickly. We don't have to deal with us ever again.
Ships like, all right, fine, I'll come on. We'll make

(10:11):
this happen very quickly, two minutes, nine seconds, and then
we'll move on to other important things like the deficit
or the economy, or inflation or whatever else. Do you
want to push with your other propaganda? Because the media
knew the entire time they were telling you about Russian
collision that wasn't true. It was paid for by Hillary Clinton,
the DNC, and it was worked on with the Russians. Okay,
the summary was accurate, but the details were incorrect. That

(10:34):
does undermine the credibility, does it not? Well, certainly you
know this. Denschenko lied to Christopher Steele and then lied
to the FBI. He should be prosecuted. He is being prosecuted.
And I'll tell you this, if he's convicted, he should
not be pardoned the way Donald Trump pardoned people who
lied to FBI agents like Roger Stone and Mike Flynn.

(10:56):
So there ought to be the same standard terms of
prosecuting the liars. But I don't think there ought to
be any pardon no matter which way the lies cut.
Congerson Adam Schiff, Democrat from California, member of the January
sixth Committee, appreciate you coming on, sharing your perspective of
their sharing your perspective. Right there it is. We did it.
We wrapped it up. Thanks Adam, Thanks for coming on.
You answered that question perfectly. And you know, you throw

(11:18):
these people under the bus that were involved and the
ruin their lives and the process who around Hillary Quinton
you say they shouldn't be you know, they shouldn't be pardoned,
and you try to connect that to you know, Donald
Trump's the worst person in the world. We did it.
We're moved on. We never have to talk about again.
That's it, folks, That's all we gotta do. It's it's

(11:38):
really that simple, right still, Dolcia, it's still turned out
to be correct. That's what he said. Now the media
knows that's not true. He knows not true. All I
had to do is just say it. What's even funnier
about this is ABC News, as George Stepanopolis so death

(12:00):
pertly needed to cover something else that seemed more newsworthy
than the steel Dolcier and the indictments from this week.
That ABC News is George Stepanopolus actually came out and
said this on his own show, just to bury the
Durham indictments from the week. We're coming on the air
this morning with a brand new poll, and it's brutal

(12:21):
for President Biden. His approval rating has hit a new low.
Only forty one percent of Americans think he's doing a
good job in office, Fifty three percent disapprove, seventy percent
believe the economy is in bad shape, and with inflation
at a three decade high, only thirty nine percent approve
of Biden's handling of the economy. Looking ahead to the
midterm elections, Republicans have a ten point lead among registered voters,

(12:44):
their largest lead ever in the forty year history of
our poll. That's how they started ABC this Week with
George Stepanopolis. That's how desperate they were to make sure
that the Durham indictments didn't even see the light of day.
All right, look, guys, we gotta pull an audible here.

(13:06):
Let's criticize Biden for one week. But it will be
worth it. It'll be it'll be worth it. Like, trust us,
It'll totally be worth it. If you guys just just
trust me. We'll start the show by by by slapping
around Biden a little bit. It won't really matter in
the long run. It's a lot better than us having
to admit that we sold the American people a bunch

(13:28):
of eyes for a long time. Right, this is all
we gotta do. Just act like it didn't happen. Bad day,
bad day, right, bad day. Fox News did it right.

(13:50):
They put it this way, they said, Democrats pushing the steal.
Dolciers silent after the subsource indictment by Durham, all of
them silent. Take a listen. So the dostigation potentially causing
new headaches for the White House tonight, as the focus
is getting sharper on National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, the
unnamed foreign policy adviser in Special Counsel John Durham's indictment

(14:11):
of a former Clinton campaign lawyer why else, Corresponding Kevin
Cork's digging into what it could mean for both the
Clinton and Biden camps, Kevin evening Shannon. While there is
no specific credible information that suggests that the National Security
Advisor is himself under investigation, recent revelations by way of
the Durham probe does suggest that Jake Sullivan may have
garnered a bit more interests, shall we say, from investigators

(14:35):
than previously believed. Sullivan, as you know, is thought to
be the foreign policy advisor referred to in the indictment
a former Clinton campaign lawyer, Michael Sussman. In that indictment,
it states that Sussman coordinated with representatives of the Clinton
camp with regards and materials given to both the FBI
and the media in terms of the Russia Trump connection,
the alleged connection. One of those agents thought to be

(14:57):
Sullivan himself, according to emails obtained by the Durham team.
And here's what things get really interesting and sworn testimony
you may remember this yan and Sullivan told congressional lawmakers
he didn't know of Fusion GPS's involvement in opposition research, which,
as we knew now alleged ties between the Kremlin and
the Trump campaign, which basically turned out to be not true.

(15:19):
He also denied knowing anything about Fusion in twenty sixteen,
or who was conducting opposition research for the Clinton campaign
at all, all of which has some wondering if Sullivan
knew more than he led on. What we're seeing now
is this multilayer connection between the Clinton campaign and this scandal,

(15:41):
and it seems very clear that Durham believes that this
was basically a campaign effort to dupe the FBI, and
the FBI fell for it, Professor Jonathan Turley speaking there now.
Democrats who touted the Steel jossier are now awfully quiet
following the indictment of Igor dun Chako, the primary subsource

(16:01):
of the dossier. Fox seeking comment on den Chenko's indictment
from seven members of the House Intel Committee, all Democrats,
of course, during the Russia probe, they were pushing it repeatedly.
Nearly all of them listed here as you see, have
yet to comment on the latest developments, though Adam Schiff
said this on the view, whoever lined to the FBI

(16:24):
or lie Chris rap Steel should be prosecuted, and they are.
But you may agressive dis information yourself for years by
promoting this or take as you probably heard, also said
Schiff had lost credibility for his part in spreading what
has been dubbed by many as the Russia hoax. The
story continues as it unfolds. We'll keep an eye on

(16:44):
it for you, Shannah, there it is. Yeah, we'll just
let him get away with it. The only people covering
this on TV is literally Fox. You know whoever lied
to the FBI and the should be prosecuted. You're on
that list. You're the one that read it in the record,
the entire dot cier when you knew it was crap.

(17:05):
Wall Street Journal took it a step further. The Wall
Street Journal actually took this a step further when they
came out and said, stop calling it the Steel dot cier.
It's not. It should be called the Clinton dotsier because
they're the ones at hired Stelle to do it, and
the media is ignoring the latest development which proves it's

(17:27):
not a Steel dot cier. It is a Clinton dot cier,
plain and simple. Tonight, the Wall Street Journal rights it
should be called the Clinton dossier. The opinion piece by
Chrit Kimberly Strassell who will be on the panel Tonight
points out that Igor Dencheco is a longtime Democratic operative
who was active in the twenty sixteen Hillary Clinton presidential campaign.

(17:49):
Tonight we examine how the mainstream media have been largely
ignoring this story after years of pushing stories the other way.
I'm going to play this for you in just a
second because it's so important. But understand what was just
said there. The Wall Street journal is saying, let's be
intellectually honest. This is not a steal dossier. This is

(18:10):
the Clinton dossier, and that's what the media should call
it the entire time, and they will not do it.
The media analysts at Fox gave a great synopsis, okay,
a fabulous synopsis of what the media has done the
past week, not being honest with you at all about

(18:31):
what's actually happening, not telling you how significant the indictments
are from the Durham investigation. And we should not call
this steal dossier. It should be called the Clinton dostie
because they're the ones that create it, they're the ones
that paid to create it, they're the ones that orchestrated
the creation of it. But if you call it the
Sea dossier, right, it's one degree of separation. Oh, it's

(18:53):
not ours, it was his. No, no, no, it is yours.
You're the one that hired him to do it. Howard
Hurts put it this way. The indictment of Igor Danchenko,
the key source for the Tarnish Steel dossier that was
intertwined with the investigation of President Trump and Russia, triggered
this admission from The Washington Post, the paper set in

(19:15):
today's lead story. The allegations cast new uncertainty on some
past reporting on the dossier by news organizations, including the
Washington Post. Yet, despite the enormous media attention to the
Russia investigation, including the dossier, the NBC, ABC and CBS
evening newscast ignored the Danchenko indictment yesterday. Danchenko was charged

(19:36):
with lying to the FBI about false information he fed
to former British buy Christopher Steele. By the way, let
me just stop for one second. ABC News, NBC News,
and CBS News did not cover at all the day
the indictment happened. They can't because they were involved in

(19:57):
the conspiracy. Big tree falls in the forest and no
one's around it ever happened. You have the biggest indictment
to date connecting Hillary Clinton and her campaign directly, okay,
directly when you think about this, to this docia, directly

(20:21):
to the collusion, directly to this conspiracy to overthrow the
will of the people in a free and fair election.
And it all comes out and you have the guy
who's in charge of the darn thing, who's indicted, who
is working directly for the Clinton campaign, and ABC, NBC
and CBS don't cover it at all, don't mention it

(20:41):
at all. That is pure corruption at the highest levels.
That is a pure cover up. I'm going to back
it up just a second, and I want you to
really let this sink in about how terrified they are
that Hillary Clinton could possibly go down for this the
Russia investigation, including the dossier. The NBC, ABC, and CBS

(21:05):
Evening newscast ignored the Danchenko indictment. Yesterday, dan Chenko was
charged with lying to the FBI about false information he
fed to former British buy Christopher Steele, including unsubstantiated and
sealacious accusations against Trump. Dan Chenko allegedly fed some of
his falsehoods to Charles Dolan, a former Clinton administration official.

(21:27):
The FBI has said it launched the Russia probe before
seeing the Steel dossier, but in a wire tap application
for former Trump advisor Carter Page, the Bureau used the
dossier's claims. Fox News covered the story extensively. There were
obvious red flags with the dossier from the very beginning.
For one thing, Christopher Steele was working for an opposition

(21:47):
research firm called Fusion GPS, which was funded by the
Hillary Clinton campaign. CNN and MSNBC did not cover the
story after five PM, except for Rachel Maddow, who had
relentlessly trumpeted the investigation. This report comes in the midst
of a concerted attack on Christopher Steele himself from Republicans

(22:07):
in Congress, their alleging that he was basically peddling false information,
and last night she slams Special Counsel John Jorham's case.
The unmistakable impression is that this indictment is designed to
smear Christopher Steele's intelligence reports as things that were deliberately
made up and concocted by rascally Democrats. By the way

(22:30):
they were. Now, Rachel Maddow is in so deep on
this that she has no choice but to continue down
the rabbit hole of lies in conspiracy. She gets it.
I'll give Rachel Maddow a lot of credit. She understands

(22:51):
how damning this information is, and I think she understands
how close is getting to Hillary Quinton. I think she
understands how bad this could get for Hillary Clinton, for
the DNC, for the people around Hillary Clinton. That's the
reason why, at least I think she's smart up to say, Okay,
I gotta figure out why to kind of get ahead
of this. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta at least

(23:13):
fight back and start saying a bunch of different stuff.
It's just not true, right, We're gonna what We'll keep
saying it. We'll keep pounding and pounding and pounding and pounding,
and at some point this will go away and we
look like we were not afraid of it. Now. The
others are just totally silent and saying nothing about it

(23:35):
at all. Those are the ones that you should be
really afraid of. What are they hiding? How much were
they really involved in this? When did they start reporting
on this knowing what they were reporting on was in
fact lie. The Steel dossier. It may seem like a
mere footnote of the incredibly complicated saga that once dominated

(23:56):
our national politics. But now that it's wild charges of
being further discredited, many in the media have lost interest tonight.
That's exactly right. They lost interest for one reason because
the entire time they were in on it, they were
conspiring to overthrow the government, and they knew it. That's

(24:20):
exactly why Jonathan Turley put it this way when he
came out and was talking about just how bad this is, right,
how damaging this is to everyone around. Quentin igor dan
Chenko's arrest is a seismic development. Why Jonathan, Well, it's

(24:41):
a very significant a number of respects. First of all,
this is supposedly one of the primary sources relied upon
by Christopher Steele for his much ridiculed dossier. The FBI
concluded and the American intelligence generally concluded that the dossier
may have been vehicle for Russian intelligence disinformation and that

(25:05):
some of the sources relied upon may have been Russian
intelligence agents. But this was a key figure in putting
together that dossier. And what the indictment does is show
us what Durham has, and he has a lot of
new information. That last line, what does Durham have? He

(25:29):
has a lot of information that directly connects all this too,
Hillary Clinton, and nobody wants to talk about that. Everybody
wants to shut up about that, right, everybody wants that
to just disappear. Let me remind you of what Christopher

(25:54):
Steele actually claimed about all of this. Remember Christopher Steele,
this is what he said to George Stepanopolis in an interview.
Give me a declared piase on somebody who is a
true friend and a lie of the United States. But
when you bring the information to the FBI in twenty sixteen,

(26:15):
reacting as a patriot or a paid private intelligence officers,
and to those who say otherwise, I'd like to see
what prief they've got. Well, we've got a lot. We've
got a lot now, including indictments. We've got a hell
of a lot, including indictments. Right, I'm a patriot, Really,

(26:39):
you're a patriot. I mean the media is now intent
on somehow rehabilitating Christopher Steel like he's some sort of
do good or that was just trying to tell us
and throw up a red flag that Donald Trump was
compromised by the Russians. We know that's a lie. Every

(27:00):
bit of its a lie. That's exactly what Tugger Carlson
said this week as well. Well. About five years ago,
the Hillary Clinton for President campaign paid a British spike
called Christopher Steele to produce a document now known as
the Steele Dossier, which, despite the fact was fraudulent, really
hamstrung the Trump administration virtually for the entire four years.

(27:21):
That dossier claimed that Russian hackers were operating in the
Russian consulate in Miami, even though, for example, there is
no Russian consulate in Miami. Among other false claims, the
dossiers said that Donald Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen made
secret trips to Prague. Now, if Cohen had been to Prague,
he probably would have said so since he turned on
Trump completely, but he swore he didn't. Most famously, the

(27:44):
dossier said the Russian possessed a lurid tape that they
were using to blackmail Donald Trump, the famous Pe tape.
All this was false, and yet in a new documentary,
Christopher Steele says, maybe not surprisingly, he stands by all
of it. And today, do you still believe that that
tape exists? I think it probably does, but I wouldn't

(28:05):
put one hundred percent certain tail on it. So how
do you explain if that tape does indeed exist it
hasn't been released, Well, it hasn't needed to be released.
Why not because I think the Russians felt that got
pretty good value out of total Trump when he was
president of the US. Anything you believe you got just wrong.
The interview I gave to Tya Jones, that was a mistake,
I think so. Yeah, But not the p tape, not

(28:28):
Michael Cohen and Prague, not Carter Page. None of those things,
to my mind, have been disproven. Wow, this guy is
a professional mo manipulator and totally delusional all at the
same time. But when you know you're about to have
the FBI knocking on your door, or no, not the FBI,

(28:51):
the Durham investigation knocking on your door, that's a better
way of doing it. Indicting you possibly, I guess this
is what you do. You go all in and the
media is trying to do everything it can to make
this seem like it's totally factually accurate. Every part of
what we have talked about today in the last four
Deep Dive episodes into the Germ investigation is on our

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