April 27, 2025 • 27 mins
Interview with Linda McMahon
- Background: Linda McMahon was appointed as the Secretary of Education despite her primary background being in business. She was tasked with shutting down the Department of Education and returning control to the states.
- Wasteful Spending: McMahon identified significant waste in the Department of Education, particularly in teacher training programs focused on DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) rather than core educational skills.
- Educational Philosophy: She emphasized a return to basics like reading and arithmetic, and the importance of aligning education with community and industry needs.
- Technology in Education: McMahon highlighted the need for modernizing education with technology, including AI, to provide personalized learning experiences.
- School Choice: She strongly supported school choice, including charter schools, homeschooling, and magnet schools, to ensure that education fits the needs of each child.
- Parental Involvement: McMahon stressed the importance of parental involvement in education and the need for parents to advocate for their children's education at local and national levels.
Interview with Tricia McLaughlin
- MS-13 Gang Member: McLaughlin discussed the deportation of an MS-13 gang member and the media's portrayal of him as a victim. She detailed his criminal background and the legal challenges faced in deporting such individuals.
- Border Security: The interview covered the administration's efforts to secure the border, reduce illegal crossings, and deport criminal aliens. McLaughlin highlighted the significant decrease in border crossings and the administration's commitment to operational control of the border.
- Sanctuary Cities: McLaughlin addressed the issue of sanctuary cities and the challenges they pose to ICE's efforts to detain and deport criminal aliens. She emphasized the need for cooperation between local authorities and federal immigration enforcement.
- Future Plans: The administration plans to increase deportation numbers, secure agreements with other countries to take back their nationals, and ensure that the legal immigration system is not abused.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Welcome. It is the Ben Ferguson Podcast. Nice
to have you with U. Slide from the White House
and sitting in front of me as a woman that
has taken on an almost impossible task. I was so
excited when I heard this name Linda McMahon. And if
you don't know the history of Linda, you need to
google it because she has done some amazing things.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
In her career. And you get this job.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You get a phone call to become the United States
Secretary of Education. How did this even come about? How
was the phone call that you received from the President?
I got to know the backstory real quick because I
think it's so fascinating.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Well, good morning, and thank you very much for having me. Ben.
It Well, you may or may not recall, but I
was the co chair of the transition committee for the President.
So we were putting in place all of the different
cabinet secretaries, etc. And you know, I'm working on everybody
else's department. And the President talks to me and he says, look,
(00:55):
he says, I've got the perfect place for you. And
I said, oh, okay, what are you thinking. He's Department
of Education. I said, well, you realize that my background
is not, you know, in the world of education, although
I got my certificate to teach and I was prepared
to teach French. I also served on the Connecticut State
Board of Education, and then I've been on the board
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of trustees at Sacred Heart University for sixteen years. I said,
so I do have education background. And he said, look,
here's what I want to do with the Department of Education.
I want to shut it down. And so I laughed.
I laughed, and I said, so in other words, excuse me,
I said, so, in other words, you want me to
preside over my own demise. And he laughed out loud
and he said, yep. He said, I do want you
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to do that. He said, and here's what I need.
He said, rather than have an educator in place to
do this, what I really need is a business person.
I need an executive. I need a leader who knows
how to manage and can handle this. He said. We
need to return education to the States. He said, I
want to take the bureaucracy out of education, and as
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much money as we're saving and doing that, I want
to make sure that the states can maximize, you know,
that money and have the programs that they need in place.
So he said, so I need you to come on
board and do that, and I do that. Yes, I
I Captain, I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
So you get here and you get this new job,
and it's an incredible job, and you're putting yourself out
of business, which is also like a weird mentality to have.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
What was the biggest waste.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Of tax dollars that you've uncovered at DOGE And let's
start there.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Well, I can tell you know they First of all,
let me say I welcomed the DOGE group that came
in and has been looking at a lot of the
wasteful spending that has been going on. I think one
of the things that jumped out at me was that
we had about six hundred million dollars that we were
spending on teacher training programs. Now that's so, now that sounds,
(02:55):
you know, incredibly like a good amount of money to
be spending on a good thing to train our teachers.
But what we really were finding was that most of
the programs at that point were really focused on DEI training, yeah,
and not on what excuse me you would typically be
looking at, you know, for teacher training. And so we
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took back that money and we shut down that kind
of training program. So that was one that just jumped
out at me.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
So is it fair to say the Department of Education?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And I have a sister, she's in an innercy school
and she's doing the best that she can. My mom
was a teacher, my aunt was a principal. Like I
come from that world. But what is sad to me
is it seems like the Department of Education has basically
decided we're going to indoctrinate kids instead of educate kids,
and we're going to do it in a way with
you using taxpayer dollars to indoctrinate them and what we
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believe in instead of reading, writing, and arithmetic. How far
off am I on that from a national standpoint?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
You know, far off on that at all? And what
we have really seen, I mean, think about this, Ben.
The Department of Education was established in nineteen eighty and
since that time, we have spent over three trillion dollars
in education, and our performance scores have continued to go down.
And you know, I don't I don't say there haven't
been things that have been tried. I mean the Bush
(04:14):
administration tried no child left Behind. Yeah, Barack Obama tried
race to the top, but we're failing in the mission
of teaching our our students. And I think the reason
for that is we have gotten away from basics. We've
gotten away from teaching reading and teaching arithmetic. And so
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what we're finding in schools that are showing improvement and
scores is that they have returned to the science of reading,
teaching phonics, teaching repetitive, you know, just memorization like in
mathematics for your times table and things like that, and
then building upon that base. You know, up through third
grade you are learning to read, and after third grade
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you're reading to learn. And if you can read, you're
not going to be able to learn. So we found
that a lot of the fall off, if you will,
in education is because we're not teaching the basics, and
so a little return to that basics is great. Now
a lot of other things that can be introduced that
can be helpful, like AI yes, because they're how far.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Behind are we on technology?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Oh, I mean just because it seems like we're back
twenty years ago and all of a sudden now are
thirty years ago in technology and we're having these kids
go out in the world I laughed the other day.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I was talking to a group.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Of students and the students said that at they're high school,
they were still teaching them to do photography and develop film.
And You're like, for what reason that doesn't happen anymore?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
You're not going to use is that going to be
their major when they go off? Right a career path
that they want to be on. If it's a career path,
they want to be on them off for that right.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
However, it's digital now, pictures are digital, and they're like,
the teacher's been there and said, well, this is how
we've always done it.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
That was sponsor to students.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I'm like, we're paying that salary to someone who's literally
saying I refuse to move forward.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, And I just think that just goes to the
bigger problem of how I think education is not in
touch with the communities. It's not in touch with the
industries that we need. And that's what we need to
make sure of that we are educating our students for
you know, for their for their livelihood. What you know,
what what does industry need? What does the community need? Uh,
(06:28):
You'll hear most universities say that we want to make sure,
we can keep students in the community when we're when
we're training them, but if you don't understand what the community,
what industry, what business needs, what or what technology needs,
et cetera, you can't construct the proper curriculum to fill
you know, that need, and you'll find we won't be successful.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
When I was going through school, and again I came
from a family of educators that the dream, the goal
was always you go to college. Right, you want to
be successful, you go to college. I think think that
has been a detriment to this new generation of students.
I think there's tradesmen, there's crafts, there's certain things that
you can go into, and this obsession would just go
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to college no matter what, which is also I think
we're one of the biggest problems is in public education.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
There's a lot of kids and if you look.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
At the data, they're not going to go to college,
but they're not prepared to do anything when they leave
high school. Is that one of the biggest things that
we're missing as well that you've seen that we've got
to do a better job of preparing these kids for
real world and trade. And I mean, there's great jobs
out there that you don't have to go to college
for and you can make a great living if they're
prepared for them. But we're not doing that either.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
No, we're not about eight million open jobs in the country,
and we don't have a skilled workforce ready to go
into those jobs. One of the things that I talk
about when I'm traveling, and I am traveling to many
states visiting schools to see what kind of different curriculum
is being taught, both in lower in middle schools and
then you know high schools as well, and we're not
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preparing students. And I think we have to change the
culture of education in our country from just exactly what
you were talking about. For your college is not necessary
anymore for many of the skills that we should be teaching.
And there are certain degrees that obviously do require college
education if you're going to be a doctor or a lawyer,
or an engineer and that sort of thing. However, there
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are many career paths that don't require a four year
college education. If you're going to be a skilled tradesman,
a plumber and electrician, an h VAC technician, sophisticated manufacturing
like CSR, then you can get certificates that are much
shorter than for you. As a matter of fact, I
am a strong proponent of short term PEL grants to
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to help get people in the workforce faster. So that's
really what I would like to see. And you have
to be in touch with your community and with the
needs of manufacturing, with the needs of industry so that
we can consumer what.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
An other idea.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Right, you work with people in the community where those
jobs are, whether you're in a manufacturing city or an
IT citty or a place like that. So let me
ask you another question. This goes back to the big
issue of what does it look like if you guys
shut all this down and the power goes back to
the state. And this is a really important one because
there's a lot of parents right now that kids are
in failing schools and they really are intrigued.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
By the idea as well of school choice is.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Part of shutting down the Department of Education, going back
to the states, giving the states empowerment to be able
to do things like that.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Absolutely, the President does not want to see any child
trapped in a failing school, and that's he has talked
about that forever. That's why I'm such a strong proponent
of charter schools, public schools, homeschooling, magnet schools. There is
no one size fits all for education.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
What amazing idea we have an administration actually likes parents,
even in homeschooling. That hasn't I was homeschool when I
was younger, and the disdain from the federal government for
homeschooling has been shocking for decades.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
No, it's absolutely critical that we structure our education to
fit the child. And that's one of the reasons why
is we see technology that can be utilized in many
more ways. I mean from AI if you think we
can have almost a personal tutor in the classroom one
on one. I saw a demonstration of this last week
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that there was a teacher in the classroom at twenty
five students. She had on her screen the twenty five
students who were each getting individual instruction in math, and
she could tell which student was not keeping up on
the exercise and go to that student and repeat things
or reprogram and it was just amazing to see. And
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you'll see scores start to come up much quicker. Children
can learn much faster when they're taught in the ways
that they can learn. So as we shut down the
Department of Education. I want to make sure that best
practices are being shown to those states, that we provide
the states with the tools to move forward, so because
that's how they'll have their their greatest success, and then
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putting the money to them to help support those programs.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So what a success look like? How do you define
us at the Department of Education for your tenure moving forward?
Is that shutting it down? Or is that changing the
narrative and giving and going and working with these states?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And what's the timeline look like as well?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Well, it's not mutually exclusive, it's not either or were
clearly are going to close down the Department of Education,
but that is going to take an Act of Congress.
So we're going to have to work with Congress. And
I've said all along that I want Congress to be
my partner in doing this.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
How's the reception been there?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I mean, I see a lot of these guys in Congress,
there's a lot of pressure from unions.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
What does the back room conversation of this look like?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Because at first, I'm sure when you said it, there
was a lot of people in Congress like, hold on
a second, dial it down.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
It's pretty divided at the moment, but I think that
I'm hoping absolutely that they will be my partner's when
I show them that I believe the programs that we're
going to put forth and how we're going to do
it will strengthen education. Because the President believes, as do I,
that the best education is that closest to the student.
(12:04):
So if we can provide the best practices and the
tools for those best practices, then I think we're going
to raise the scores of kids in those states and
money will be better spent.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So when you work at the state level, who are
your biggest allies? There?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Is it governors and state legislatures that people in education.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
It's all of the above, but primarily the people when
I go and talk and meet with are principles of schools.
There may be some of the local superintendents. Parents have come.
I was there. Let's see where it was. I was
in Las Vegas this past Friday, which was a holiday
for schools, but I had parents, students, teachers coming in
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to meet with me to show me what their school
was doing and about the things that they needed, and
it was incredibly refreshing to see that parental involvement is
one of the keys. I think that was the silver
lining of COVID. Parental involvement is really one of the
keys to show how they are supporting their students and
understanding what they want the curriculum to look like.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
It seems like the mentality that you're advocating for is
you know, it was in the last administration parents that
showed up at school board meetings were considered domestic terrorists
if they were saying something you didn't want to hear.
You're now saying, I want to welcome parents back in
the educational process.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Is that part of the core goal as well?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Absolutely, if you don't have parental support in local school systems,
it makes the success of teaching I think in the
schools nowhere near what it is when you see parental involvement.
I mean, parents have rights. They have a right to
look at what kind of curriculum is being taught in
the schools, whether it's appropriate for their child. They should
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be involved. But they also have to be involved in
supporting the men's school for making sure they're doing their
homework for all of those things as well, and so
hopefully we're making that connection a much more solid as well.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Final question for you and this is one of those
that I think is so important.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
The people that listen to this show. There's a lot
of people that.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Say, I want a blueprint of what you need for
me as a parent. Is it going to school board meetings?
Is it going to my legislature, Is it calling my
congressman or my center. You clearly need support because Congress
has to go along with you, but they also need
to advocate for supporting their state and their local municipalities.
So if you're a mom listing right now and your
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kids in a failing school, your dad that it says, hey,
my kids in a failing school, tell me what I
need to do. You're in charge. What are you asking
for me? What can they do as a parent to
get involved?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I think the two best things that they can do,
first of all, is to really be involved locally, because
that's really where it happens. It's at their school or
in their town or in their community. And if they're
in a failing school and there's another school that is potential,
whether it's a charter school or a private school, and
they have the opportunity to move their child into that school.
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But in order to have that opportunity, the legislation has
to be in place for them to be able to
do that, and so they have to work locally. They
also have to call their local They also have to
call their US representatives and senators as well as their
local representatives and senators because it's legislation, but it's time,
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it's effort. But be involved, be involved.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
And that includes school choice advocating for that as well.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
We absolutely I am a strong proponent, as is the
President for school choice. That's why he has been such
a strong proponent for charter schools. And I've been visiting
some charter schools recently on a couple of states that
I've been in to see the programs that they're putting
in place, and they are They're pretty magnificent.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's incredible, it's refreshing. I hope this gives people and
moms that and dads are listening, grandparents hope that we're
going to actually have a real impact.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You've got a long haul ahead of you.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
It is a long haul. But and I'll tell you,
and know a lot of folks look at what we're
doing and say, oh, well, you know, the Department of
Education is really looking to close down public schools couldn't
be farther from the truth.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
That's one of the lies.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And we saw that right away, and that was not
the goal here. It was just to say we want
to get rid of the bureaucracy. That am I wrong
in saying it that way?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Get rid of the bureaucracy. But you know, rising tide
lifts all boats. Schools can be competitive, curriculum can be competitive,
and what we have seen and one of the other
lies that if you will is you're taking money away
from public schools and that's not the case either.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Lastly, and then I know you got to go, but
I want to ask you, this is this something that
you ever thought would be part of your legacy? And
how exciting is this to say I am going to
maybe get to do something that is grand when it
comes to redefining how we educate kids in America.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Well, it was certainly something that I had contemplated prior
to the President asking me to take on this role.
But the more that I've gotten into it and thought
about it, and I really do believe that if my
legacy could be to help the president be the education
president and help raise levels of education and to do
what his goal is, which is to provide equal access
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to excellent education to every student in the country.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
One of the big issues that so many Americans care
about right now is the issue of what's happening at
the southern border. We have done a lot to secure
the border in our President Trump and in the first
hundred days, but then there's the issue of all the
illegal immigrants that are in this country and how we're
going to deport them, especially those that are in MS
thirteen gang members and Trey de la Laga gangs. This
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is still a major issue for safety for so many Americans.
So join me now to talk about this is Tricia mcloffin.
She is the Assistant Secretary Department of Homeland Security. Tricia,
it's a pleasure to have you here and to talk
about this. Let's go to the headlines and start there.
You've got this story of a MS thirteen gang member
who even his own wife was making sure that his
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knuckles were that had the tattoo of the MS thirteen
gang symbol was not on social media in some of
her postings. Then the media tried to say that he
was not a gang member, that this was terrible that
we kicked him out of this country.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And that we send Salvador and they're domating him back.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
And now Democrats have gone all in on this, like
there's delegations using taxpayer dollars to go and meet with
this person, not meet with family members and victims in
this country, those that have been terrorized, those have been killed,
those have been raped and murdered by this gang that
is a terrorist organization. And now we're also seeing lawfare
in the courts trying to say no, no, no, President Trump,
you can't keep American safe as.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Well, exactly, Ben, And there really is a concerted effort
by the media and Democrats to whitewash this story, whitewash
who this guy is, that he's some innocent Maryland father,
when he's anything but. First and foremost, he is in
the country illegally. He had final deportation orders. But let's
go through the timeline a little bit to describe who
this guy Abrego Garcia actually is. When he was initially
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arrested in twenty nineteen, he was found among other MUS
thirteen gang members, decked out an MS thirteen gear having
different MS thirteen symbols on it. He was found with
drugs and rolls of money as well two separate immigration
judges found that he was an MS thirteen gang member
as well as the Prince George's County gang unit. Keep
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in mind, Prince George County, Maryland isn't exactly some red haven,
it is very blue. They found that he is in
MS thirteen as well. Flash forwarded to twenty twenty one.
His wife, his own wife, who like you said, was
covering up his knuckles, was filed a domestic restraining order
against him for slapping her, for ripping off her shirt,
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for pinching and scratching her sheet, and her own written
testimony said how she feared for her children and tried
to take them away from him, and then, man, if
I'm a one more time is In twenty twenty two,
he was pulled over by the Tennessee State Highway Patrol
during which he was allegedly taking eight individuals from Texas
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to Maryland on a three day journey. On a three
day journey with eight people, and there was not a
single piece of luggage in that vehicle that reeks of
human trafficking. That is textbook, and so we're left to
believe that, oh no, this is an innocent guy.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
And by the way, that let's be queer the Biden administration,
the FBI said no, no, no, just let him go.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Don't worry about that.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
There's certainly more to the story, and I'd love to
hear more from the FBI and what went down there.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
So you look at this guy and he's over there,
and now the media has become like he's some sort
of folk hero or hero for them, the Democratic Party
spending taxpayer hours to go down there and meet with
him like he's a celebrity. You have centers that are
holding his hand like he's been persecuted by the United
States of America and demands to bring him back. What
so we can deport him to another country as soon
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as he gets here, because that's exactly what could happen.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
It's remarkable to me that this is the hill that
the Democrats and media are willing to die on, that
they have one small shred of any credibility left and
this is what they're going to burn it on. Is
this MS thirteen gang member. Americans should remember who MS
thirteen is. It is a vicious gang that sex traffics,
that human traffics, that maimes, rapes and kills Americans for sport.
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These are people who should not be in our country
and should be hunted down and locked up immediately.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
You just look at some of the things that apparently
were found on his devices. And that's one of the
things that I found interesting on the reporting is you
look at what they share MS thirteen game members. They
share the pictures of beheadings, the butchering of humans. And
then yet they're trying to say, oh, this guy's a
victim who broke into America.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Anything but and that is I mean, if you look
at the crime on American streets and crimes by these
illegal immigrant gangs, so much of the time they're done
by MS thirteen, they're done by Trendy Arragua, they're done
by these other vicious gangs. They shouldn't have been here
in the first place because they're in the country illegally.
Much less the fact that with impunity they've been allowed
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to rain terwer on American streets for the last four years.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Let's talk about the court system now, and we've seen
these activist judges who are stepping in and using law
fair to say, hey, the president can't do this anymore.
You can't just ship people off to the other countries.
We're gonna stop you every step of the way. What
is the administration's response to that. How long is it
going to take for this to play out.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I think ultimately President Trump, Secretary Noman, this entire administration
are going to be victorious on this issue. On November fifth,
twenty twenty four, there is a clear mandate from the
American people that we need to get criminal illegal aliens
out of this country. There was likely ten to twenty
million illegal aliens who came into this country under Joe Biden.
(22:27):
The American people are done with it. Look, whether Garcia
is in an American detention facility or an Ala Salvador,
what matters really is that he's locked up. But I
do think ultimately this will be sorted out. We will
ensure that these individuals have due process. That was what
the Supreme Court was most concerned about, was the amount
of time these individuals were given notice. But we're going
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to be very clear that despite the fact that these
are terrorists, these are criminal gang members, this is still
the United States of American. We guarantee due process under
the US Constitution.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So when you look forward after we're at the one
hundred day mark, in essence, and this is pretty awesome
because there's a lot that's been done. The border is
now more secure than's been in decades, the number of
people are coming across. I think the message the present
sent loud and clear was you come here now, it's
game on. We're saying that the number of crossings have
dropped significantly, but there's the big question of Okay, there's
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a lot of people that got in under the Biden years.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
There's literally millions.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
How are we going to unwind all of that in
an orderly fashion.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah, I think that we're working to do just that.
Secretary Nome was handed a tough task and she's taking
it on miraculously. Look at the border, as you just mentioned,
we virtually have operational control of the border. Border crossings
are down ninety five percent.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
That is, i all.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Accounts, the most secure border in American history. That's in
less than ninety days. It's pretty pretty remarkable. But we
also have to look at our legal immigration system as well.
The Biden administration majorc has use parole programs, temporary protected status,
and these their programs to allow illegal immigrants to come
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into this country unvetted. We don't know really who's in
this country, So we have to really take a pause
and go through who did we let in for the
last four years. So I think it's going to take
also a unleashed ICE. Secretary name has been remarkable in that.
But the fact is, for the last four years, Biden
did not allow these ICE agents to actually do their jobs.
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They were disincentivized for making any of these arrests, whether
it be just illegal aliens to criminal vicious aliens like
these MS thirteen members, as we've mentioned before. So we
have a tall task and we've got to get these
arrests numbers up. But that's part of the reason why
Secretary Nome is on the ground on a weekly basis
with our enforcement officers from Border and Protection Patrol and
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from ICE to make sure that we're getting them the
resources they need to be successful to get these arrests
numbers up and to make sure they're safe on the job.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Let's talk about detention detainers that the ICE needs in
the court systems. They need these courts to alert them
when they have somebody in custody that is clearly needs
to be deported. We still are seeing activists that are
not allowing for that to happen. How big of an
issue is that going to be moving forward, and is
there more than the White House can do to stop
that from being a thing.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Yeah, I think the Department of Justice under Attorney General
Pam Bondi is definitely looking at options with these sanctuary cities.
Like you mentioned, if ICE isn't able to lodge these
detainers against these criminal aliens, that they could be released
into American communities and go out and commit the same act. Actually,
a couple of weeks ago, Secretary Nome was in New
York City and a lot of listeners will probably remember
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this really heinous crime at Coney Island, the subway station
there where this illegal immigrant lit this woman on fire
and killed her. It was incredibly depraved. ICE tried to
lodge a detainer, and we are not sure if that's
going to be honored. So we don't know if and
when this guy will get out, But if he's not,
he could be released back into New York even though
he's in this country illegally. That's the kind of case
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is we have to end. And that's why, I mean,
case in point, why sanctuary cities are so so dangerous.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Final question for you on moving forward The next one
hundred days. What do you expect the headlines to be
from this administration on this issue? Obviously the border secure,
we can check that box. We're doing more, But where
is this going to go and what can the American
people expect.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
I think you're going to see ramped up deportation numbers.
I think you're going to see more agreements with third
party countries. Whether you'll see that with Al Salvador, that
they're taking some of our most vicious, worse, the worst
criminal aliens. I think you're going to see more of
that from other countries to make sure that these guys
are off of Americans oil and take and take part
in getting their their folks folks back. I also think
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we're going to see more you know, we're going to
see more action with these the courts and some of
these activist judges. But we're not going to let it
stop us. We have deportation flights going almost every single day,
and alien a Numies Act is only one tool in
our arsenal. We have a lot of authorities to get
these people out of the country.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's incredible. You guys are doing great work. Your boss
is doing great work as well.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
It's nice to have leadership at the Department of Home
in Security that actually knows who the bad guys are
and they're willing to go after them. Chrisha mcglofflin. She
is the Assistant Secretary Department of Homelandsecurity. Always a pleasure,
Thank you for coming on.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
It's not honor. Thank you.
Good morning, Welcome. It is the Ben Ferguson Podcast. Nice
to have you with U. Slide from the White House
and sitting in front of me as a woman that
has taken on an almost impossible task. I was so
excited when I heard this name Linda McMahon. And if
you don't know the history of Linda, you need to
google it because she has done some amazing things.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
In her career. And you get this job.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You get a phone call to become the United States
Secretary of Education. How did this even come about? How
was the phone call that you received from the President?
I got to know the backstory real quick because I
think it's so fascinating.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Well, good morning, and thank you very much for having me. Ben.
It Well, you may or may not recall, but I
was the co chair of the transition committee for the President.
So we were putting in place all of the different
cabinet secretaries, etc. And you know, I'm working on everybody
else's department. And the President talks to me and he says, look,
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he says, I've got the perfect place for you. And
I said, oh, okay, what are you thinking. He's Department
of Education. I said, well, you realize that my background
is not, you know, in the world of education, although
I got my certificate to teach and I was prepared
to teach French. I also served on the Connecticut State
Board of Education, and then I've been on the board
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of trustees at Sacred Heart University for sixteen years. I said,
so I do have education background. And he said, look,
here's what I want to do with the Department of Education.
I want to shut it down. And so I laughed.
I laughed, and I said, so in other words, excuse me,
I said, so, in other words, you want me to
preside over my own demise. And he laughed out loud
and he said, yep. He said, I do want you
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to do that. He said, and here's what I need.
He said, rather than have an educator in place to
do this, what I really need is a business person.
I need an executive. I need a leader who knows
how to manage and can handle this. He said. We
need to return education to the States. He said, I
want to take the bureaucracy out of education, and as
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much money as we're saving and doing that, I want
to make sure that the states can maximize, you know,
that money and have the programs that they need in place.
So he said, so I need you to come on
board and do that, and I do that. Yes, I
I Captain, I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
So you get here and you get this new job,
and it's an incredible job, and you're putting yourself out
of business, which is also like a weird mentality to have.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
What was the biggest waste.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Of tax dollars that you've uncovered at DOGE And let's
start there.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Well, I can tell you know they First of all,
let me say I welcomed the DOGE group that came
in and has been looking at a lot of the
wasteful spending that has been going on. I think one
of the things that jumped out at me was that
we had about six hundred million dollars that we were
spending on teacher training programs. Now that's so, now that sounds,
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you know, incredibly like a good amount of money to
be spending on a good thing to train our teachers.
But what we really were finding was that most of
the programs at that point were really focused on DEI training, yeah,
and not on what excuse me you would typically be
looking at, you know, for teacher training. And so we
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took back that money and we shut down that kind
of training program. So that was one that just jumped
out at me.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
So is it fair to say the Department of Education?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And I have a sister, she's in an innercy school
and she's doing the best that she can. My mom
was a teacher, my aunt was a principal. Like I
come from that world. But what is sad to me
is it seems like the Department of Education has basically
decided we're going to indoctrinate kids instead of educate kids,
and we're going to do it in a way with
you using taxpayer dollars to indoctrinate them and what we
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believe in instead of reading, writing, and arithmetic. How far
off am I on that from a national standpoint?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
You know, far off on that at all? And what
we have really seen, I mean, think about this, Ben.
The Department of Education was established in nineteen eighty and
since that time, we have spent over three trillion dollars
in education, and our performance scores have continued to go down.
And you know, I don't I don't say there haven't
been things that have been tried. I mean the Bush
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administration tried no child left Behind. Yeah, Barack Obama tried
race to the top, but we're failing in the mission
of teaching our our students. And I think the reason
for that is we have gotten away from basics. We've
gotten away from teaching reading and teaching arithmetic. And so
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what we're finding in schools that are showing improvement and
scores is that they have returned to the science of reading,
teaching phonics, teaching repetitive, you know, just memorization like in
mathematics for your times table and things like that, and
then building upon that base. You know, up through third
grade you are learning to read, and after third grade
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you're reading to learn. And if you can read, you're
not going to be able to learn. So we found
that a lot of the fall off, if you will,
in education is because we're not teaching the basics, and
so a little return to that basics is great. Now
a lot of other things that can be introduced that
can be helpful, like AI yes, because they're how far.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Behind are we on technology?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Oh, I mean just because it seems like we're back
twenty years ago and all of a sudden now are
thirty years ago in technology and we're having these kids
go out in the world I laughed the other day.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I was talking to a group.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Of students and the students said that at they're high school,
they were still teaching them to do photography and develop film.
And You're like, for what reason that doesn't happen anymore?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
You're not going to use is that going to be
their major when they go off? Right a career path
that they want to be on. If it's a career path,
they want to be on them off for that right.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
However, it's digital now, pictures are digital, and they're like,
the teacher's been there and said, well, this is how
we've always done it.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
That was sponsor to students.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I'm like, we're paying that salary to someone who's literally
saying I refuse to move forward.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, And I just think that just goes to the
bigger problem of how I think education is not in
touch with the communities. It's not in touch with the
industries that we need. And that's what we need to
make sure of that we are educating our students for
you know, for their for their livelihood. What you know,
what what does industry need? What does the community need? Uh,
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You'll hear most universities say that we want to make sure,
we can keep students in the community when we're when
we're training them, but if you don't understand what the community,
what industry, what business needs, what or what technology needs,
et cetera, you can't construct the proper curriculum to fill
you know, that need, and you'll find we won't be successful.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
When I was going through school, and again I came
from a family of educators that the dream, the goal
was always you go to college. Right, you want to
be successful, you go to college. I think think that
has been a detriment to this new generation of students.
I think there's tradesmen, there's crafts, there's certain things that
you can go into, and this obsession would just go
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to college no matter what, which is also I think
we're one of the biggest problems is in public education.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
There's a lot of kids and if you look.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
At the data, they're not going to go to college,
but they're not prepared to do anything when they leave
high school. Is that one of the biggest things that
we're missing as well that you've seen that we've got
to do a better job of preparing these kids for
real world and trade. And I mean, there's great jobs
out there that you don't have to go to college
for and you can make a great living if they're
prepared for them. But we're not doing that either.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
No, we're not about eight million open jobs in the country,
and we don't have a skilled workforce ready to go
into those jobs. One of the things that I talk
about when I'm traveling, and I am traveling to many
states visiting schools to see what kind of different curriculum
is being taught, both in lower in middle schools and
then you know high schools as well, and we're not
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preparing students. And I think we have to change the
culture of education in our country from just exactly what
you were talking about. For your college is not necessary
anymore for many of the skills that we should be teaching.
And there are certain degrees that obviously do require college
education if you're going to be a doctor or a lawyer,
or an engineer and that sort of thing. However, there
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are many career paths that don't require a four year
college education. If you're going to be a skilled tradesman,
a plumber and electrician, an h VAC technician, sophisticated manufacturing
like CSR, then you can get certificates that are much
shorter than for you. As a matter of fact, I
am a strong proponent of short term PEL grants to
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to help get people in the workforce faster. So that's
really what I would like to see. And you have
to be in touch with your community and with the
needs of manufacturing, with the needs of industry so that
we can consumer what.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
An other idea.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Right, you work with people in the community where those
jobs are, whether you're in a manufacturing city or an
IT citty or a place like that. So let me
ask you another question. This goes back to the big
issue of what does it look like if you guys
shut all this down and the power goes back to
the state. And this is a really important one because
there's a lot of parents right now that kids are
in failing schools and they really are intrigued.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
By the idea as well of school choice is.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Part of shutting down the Department of Education, going back
to the states, giving the states empowerment to be able
to do things like that.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Absolutely, the President does not want to see any child
trapped in a failing school, and that's he has talked
about that forever. That's why I'm such a strong proponent
of charter schools, public schools, homeschooling, magnet schools. There is
no one size fits all for education.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
What amazing idea we have an administration actually likes parents,
even in homeschooling. That hasn't I was homeschool when I
was younger, and the disdain from the federal government for
homeschooling has been shocking for decades.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
No, it's absolutely critical that we structure our education to
fit the child. And that's one of the reasons why
is we see technology that can be utilized in many
more ways. I mean from AI if you think we
can have almost a personal tutor in the classroom one
on one. I saw a demonstration of this last week
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that there was a teacher in the classroom at twenty
five students. She had on her screen the twenty five
students who were each getting individual instruction in math, and
she could tell which student was not keeping up on
the exercise and go to that student and repeat things
or reprogram and it was just amazing to see. And
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you'll see scores start to come up much quicker. Children
can learn much faster when they're taught in the ways
that they can learn. So as we shut down the
Department of Education. I want to make sure that best
practices are being shown to those states, that we provide
the states with the tools to move forward, so because
that's how they'll have their their greatest success, and then
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putting the money to them to help support those programs.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So what a success look like? How do you define
us at the Department of Education for your tenure moving forward?
Is that shutting it down? Or is that changing the
narrative and giving and going and working with these states?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And what's the timeline look like as well?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Well, it's not mutually exclusive, it's not either or were
clearly are going to close down the Department of Education,
but that is going to take an Act of Congress.
So we're going to have to work with Congress. And
I've said all along that I want Congress to be
my partner in doing this.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
How's the reception been there?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I mean, I see a lot of these guys in Congress,
there's a lot of pressure from unions.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
What does the back room conversation of this look like?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Because at first, I'm sure when you said it, there
was a lot of people in Congress like, hold on
a second, dial it down.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
It's pretty divided at the moment, but I think that
I'm hoping absolutely that they will be my partner's when
I show them that I believe the programs that we're
going to put forth and how we're going to do
it will strengthen education. Because the President believes, as do I,
that the best education is that closest to the student.
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So if we can provide the best practices and the
tools for those best practices, then I think we're going
to raise the scores of kids in those states and
money will be better spent.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So when you work at the state level, who are
your biggest allies? There?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Is it governors and state legislatures that people in education.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
It's all of the above, but primarily the people when
I go and talk and meet with are principles of schools.
There may be some of the local superintendents. Parents have come.
I was there. Let's see where it was. I was
in Las Vegas this past Friday, which was a holiday
for schools, but I had parents, students, teachers coming in
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to meet with me to show me what their school
was doing and about the things that they needed, and
it was incredibly refreshing to see that parental involvement is
one of the keys. I think that was the silver
lining of COVID. Parental involvement is really one of the
keys to show how they are supporting their students and
understanding what they want the curriculum to look like.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
It seems like the mentality that you're advocating for is
you know, it was in the last administration parents that
showed up at school board meetings were considered domestic terrorists
if they were saying something you didn't want to hear.
You're now saying, I want to welcome parents back in
the educational process.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Is that part of the core goal as well?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Absolutely, if you don't have parental support in local school systems,
it makes the success of teaching I think in the
schools nowhere near what it is when you see parental involvement.
I mean, parents have rights. They have a right to
look at what kind of curriculum is being taught in
the schools, whether it's appropriate for their child. They should
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be involved. But they also have to be involved in
supporting the men's school for making sure they're doing their
homework for all of those things as well, and so
hopefully we're making that connection a much more solid as well.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Final question for you and this is one of those
that I think is so important.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
The people that listen to this show. There's a lot
of people that.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Say, I want a blueprint of what you need for
me as a parent. Is it going to school board meetings?
Is it going to my legislature, Is it calling my
congressman or my center. You clearly need support because Congress
has to go along with you, but they also need
to advocate for supporting their state and their local municipalities.
So if you're a mom listing right now and your
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kids in a failing school, your dad that it says, hey,
my kids in a failing school, tell me what I
need to do. You're in charge. What are you asking
for me? What can they do as a parent to
get involved?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I think the two best things that they can do,
first of all, is to really be involved locally, because
that's really where it happens. It's at their school or
in their town or in their community. And if they're
in a failing school and there's another school that is potential,
whether it's a charter school or a private school, and
they have the opportunity to move their child into that school.
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But in order to have that opportunity, the legislation has
to be in place for them to be able to
do that, and so they have to work locally. They
also have to call their local They also have to
call their US representatives and senators as well as their
local representatives and senators because it's legislation, but it's time,
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it's effort. But be involved, be involved.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
And that includes school choice advocating for that as well.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
We absolutely I am a strong proponent, as is the
President for school choice. That's why he has been such
a strong proponent for charter schools. And I've been visiting
some charter schools recently on a couple of states that
I've been in to see the programs that they're putting
in place, and they are They're pretty magnificent.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's incredible, it's refreshing. I hope this gives people and
moms that and dads are listening, grandparents hope that we're
going to actually have a real impact.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You've got a long haul ahead of you.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
It is a long haul. But and I'll tell you,
and know a lot of folks look at what we're
doing and say, oh, well, you know, the Department of
Education is really looking to close down public schools couldn't
be farther from the truth.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
That's one of the lies.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And we saw that right away, and that was not
the goal here. It was just to say we want
to get rid of the bureaucracy. That am I wrong
in saying it that way?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Get rid of the bureaucracy. But you know, rising tide
lifts all boats. Schools can be competitive, curriculum can be competitive,
and what we have seen and one of the other
lies that if you will is you're taking money away
from public schools and that's not the case either.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Lastly, and then I know you got to go, but
I want to ask you, this is this something that
you ever thought would be part of your legacy? And
how exciting is this to say I am going to
maybe get to do something that is grand when it
comes to redefining how we educate kids in America.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Well, it was certainly something that I had contemplated prior
to the President asking me to take on this role.
But the more that I've gotten into it and thought
about it, and I really do believe that if my
legacy could be to help the president be the education
president and help raise levels of education and to do
what his goal is, which is to provide equal access
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to excellent education to every student in the country.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
One of the big issues that so many Americans care
about right now is the issue of what's happening at
the southern border. We have done a lot to secure
the border in our President Trump and in the first
hundred days, but then there's the issue of all the
illegal immigrants that are in this country and how we're
going to deport them, especially those that are in MS
thirteen gang members and Trey de la Laga gangs. This
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is still a major issue for safety for so many Americans.
So join me now to talk about this is Tricia mcloffin.
She is the Assistant Secretary Department of Homeland Security. Tricia,
it's a pleasure to have you here and to talk
about this. Let's go to the headlines and start there.
You've got this story of a MS thirteen gang member
who even his own wife was making sure that his
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knuckles were that had the tattoo of the MS thirteen
gang symbol was not on social media in some of
her postings. Then the media tried to say that he
was not a gang member, that this was terrible that
we kicked him out of this country.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And that we send Salvador and they're domating him back.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
And now Democrats have gone all in on this, like
there's delegations using taxpayer dollars to go and meet with
this person, not meet with family members and victims in
this country, those that have been terrorized, those have been killed,
those have been raped and murdered by this gang that
is a terrorist organization. And now we're also seeing lawfare
in the courts trying to say no, no, no, President Trump,
you can't keep American safe as.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Well, exactly, Ben, And there really is a concerted effort
by the media and Democrats to whitewash this story, whitewash
who this guy is, that he's some innocent Maryland father,
when he's anything but. First and foremost, he is in
the country illegally. He had final deportation orders. But let's
go through the timeline a little bit to describe who
this guy Abrego Garcia actually is. When he was initially
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arrested in twenty nineteen, he was found among other MUS
thirteen gang members, decked out an MS thirteen gear having
different MS thirteen symbols on it. He was found with
drugs and rolls of money as well two separate immigration
judges found that he was an MS thirteen gang member
as well as the Prince George's County gang unit. Keep
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in mind, Prince George County, Maryland isn't exactly some red haven,
it is very blue. They found that he is in
MS thirteen as well. Flash forwarded to twenty twenty one.
His wife, his own wife, who like you said, was
covering up his knuckles, was filed a domestic restraining order
against him for slapping her, for ripping off her shirt,
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for pinching and scratching her sheet, and her own written
testimony said how she feared for her children and tried
to take them away from him, and then, man, if
I'm a one more time is In twenty twenty two,
he was pulled over by the Tennessee State Highway Patrol
during which he was allegedly taking eight individuals from Texas
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to Maryland on a three day journey. On a three
day journey with eight people, and there was not a
single piece of luggage in that vehicle that reeks of
human trafficking. That is textbook, and so we're left to
believe that, oh no, this is an innocent guy.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
And by the way, that let's be queer the Biden administration,
the FBI said no, no, no, just let him go.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Don't worry about that.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
There's certainly more to the story, and I'd love to
hear more from the FBI and what went down there.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
So you look at this guy and he's over there,
and now the media has become like he's some sort
of folk hero or hero for them, the Democratic Party
spending taxpayer hours to go down there and meet with
him like he's a celebrity. You have centers that are
holding his hand like he's been persecuted by the United
States of America and demands to bring him back. What
so we can deport him to another country as soon
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as he gets here, because that's exactly what could happen.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
It's remarkable to me that this is the hill that
the Democrats and media are willing to die on, that
they have one small shred of any credibility left and
this is what they're going to burn it on. Is
this MS thirteen gang member. Americans should remember who MS
thirteen is. It is a vicious gang that sex traffics,
that human traffics, that maimes, rapes and kills Americans for sport.
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These are people who should not be in our country
and should be hunted down and locked up immediately.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
You just look at some of the things that apparently
were found on his devices. And that's one of the
things that I found interesting on the reporting is you
look at what they share MS thirteen game members. They
share the pictures of beheadings, the butchering of humans. And
then yet they're trying to say, oh, this guy's a
victim who broke into America.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Anything but and that is I mean, if you look
at the crime on American streets and crimes by these
illegal immigrant gangs, so much of the time they're done
by MS thirteen, they're done by Trendy Arragua, they're done
by these other vicious gangs. They shouldn't have been here
in the first place because they're in the country illegally.
Much less the fact that with impunity they've been allowed
(21:43):
to rain terwer on American streets for the last four years.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Let's talk about the court system now, and we've seen
these activist judges who are stepping in and using law
fair to say, hey, the president can't do this anymore.
You can't just ship people off to the other countries.
We're gonna stop you every step of the way. What
is the administration's response to that. How long is it
going to take for this to play out.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I think ultimately President Trump, Secretary Noman, this entire administration
are going to be victorious on this issue. On November fifth,
twenty twenty four, there is a clear mandate from the
American people that we need to get criminal illegal aliens
out of this country. There was likely ten to twenty
million illegal aliens who came into this country under Joe Biden.
(22:27):
The American people are done with it. Look, whether Garcia
is in an American detention facility or an Ala Salvador,
what matters really is that he's locked up. But I
do think ultimately this will be sorted out. We will
ensure that these individuals have due process. That was what
the Supreme Court was most concerned about, was the amount
of time these individuals were given notice. But we're going
(22:47):
to be very clear that despite the fact that these
are terrorists, these are criminal gang members, this is still
the United States of American. We guarantee due process under
the US Constitution.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So when you look forward after we're at the one
hundred day mark, in essence, and this is pretty awesome
because there's a lot that's been done. The border is
now more secure than's been in decades, the number of
people are coming across. I think the message the present
sent loud and clear was you come here now, it's
game on. We're saying that the number of crossings have
dropped significantly, but there's the big question of Okay, there's
(23:21):
a lot of people that got in under the Biden years.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
There's literally millions.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
How are we going to unwind all of that in
an orderly fashion.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah, I think that we're working to do just that.
Secretary Nome was handed a tough task and she's taking
it on miraculously. Look at the border, as you just mentioned,
we virtually have operational control of the border. Border crossings
are down ninety five percent.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
That is, i all.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Accounts, the most secure border in American history. That's in
less than ninety days. It's pretty pretty remarkable. But we
also have to look at our legal immigration system as well.
The Biden administration majorc has use parole programs, temporary protected status,
and these their programs to allow illegal immigrants to come
(24:04):
into this country unvetted. We don't know really who's in
this country, So we have to really take a pause
and go through who did we let in for the
last four years. So I think it's going to take
also a unleashed ICE. Secretary name has been remarkable in that.
But the fact is, for the last four years, Biden
did not allow these ICE agents to actually do their jobs.
(24:25):
They were disincentivized for making any of these arrests, whether
it be just illegal aliens to criminal vicious aliens like
these MS thirteen members, as we've mentioned before. So we
have a tall task and we've got to get these
arrests numbers up. But that's part of the reason why
Secretary Nome is on the ground on a weekly basis
with our enforcement officers from Border and Protection Patrol and
(24:49):
from ICE to make sure that we're getting them the
resources they need to be successful to get these arrests
numbers up and to make sure they're safe on the job.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Let's talk about detention detainers that the ICE needs in
the court systems. They need these courts to alert them
when they have somebody in custody that is clearly needs
to be deported. We still are seeing activists that are
not allowing for that to happen. How big of an
issue is that going to be moving forward, and is
there more than the White House can do to stop
that from being a thing.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Yeah, I think the Department of Justice under Attorney General
Pam Bondi is definitely looking at options with these sanctuary cities.
Like you mentioned, if ICE isn't able to lodge these
detainers against these criminal aliens, that they could be released
into American communities and go out and commit the same act. Actually,
a couple of weeks ago, Secretary Nome was in New
York City and a lot of listeners will probably remember
(25:37):
this really heinous crime at Coney Island, the subway station
there where this illegal immigrant lit this woman on fire
and killed her. It was incredibly depraved. ICE tried to
lodge a detainer, and we are not sure if that's
going to be honored. So we don't know if and
when this guy will get out, But if he's not,
he could be released back into New York even though
he's in this country illegally. That's the kind of case
(25:59):
is we have to end. And that's why, I mean,
case in point, why sanctuary cities are so so dangerous.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Final question for you on moving forward The next one
hundred days. What do you expect the headlines to be
from this administration on this issue? Obviously the border secure,
we can check that box. We're doing more, But where
is this going to go and what can the American
people expect.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
I think you're going to see ramped up deportation numbers.
I think you're going to see more agreements with third
party countries. Whether you'll see that with Al Salvador, that
they're taking some of our most vicious, worse, the worst
criminal aliens. I think you're going to see more of
that from other countries to make sure that these guys
are off of Americans oil and take and take part
in getting their their folks folks back. I also think
(26:43):
we're going to see more you know, we're going to
see more action with these the courts and some of
these activist judges. But we're not going to let it
stop us. We have deportation flights going almost every single day,
and alien a Numies Act is only one tool in
our arsenal. We have a lot of authorities to get
these people out of the country.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's incredible. You guys are doing great work. Your boss
is doing great work as well.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
It's nice to have leadership at the Department of Home
in Security that actually knows who the bad guys are
and they're willing to go after them. Chrisha mcglofflin. She
is the Assistant Secretary Department of Homelandsecurity. Always a pleasure,
Thank you for coming on.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
It's not honor. Thank you.
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