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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
It is the Ben Ferguson Podcasts and it is a
dual show with Senator Ted Cruz and I as we
just got finished watching the vice presidential debate.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Senator you just watched it.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
We got to watch it together, you got to commentate
on Hannity afterwards. And your initial takeaway from this debate.
I thought JD had a pretty good night.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
He had an excellent, excellent night. It is eleven o
five pm, just after the debate. As you noted, I
just finished doing Hannity and talking about the debate. I
think this was a good night for America. The winner
of the debate tonight was Donald Trump. The loser of
the debate tonight was Kamala Harris. Yeah, both candidates I

(00:44):
think did an effective job. Tim Waltz was frankly better
than I expected, but he had a very difficult case
to make because his job was to defend Kamala Harris's record.
And the reason that I think it was such a
good night for Trump is I think JD did a
good job job of prosecuting Kamala Harris's actual record. She

(01:05):
is desperately, desperately, desperately trying to run away from her
record trying to hide in the basement. And tonight the
contrast was made between the incredible successes on the border,
on the economy, on foreign policy under Donald Trump as
compared to the incredible failures on the border, on the economy,
on foreign policy under Kamala Harris and and and that

(01:25):
stark divide was there. I think Tim Waltz tried mightily
to pretend the record didn't exist. But but but there
were some rough moments because he couldn't deny reality. And
and and it really goes to the to the fundamental
core conceit of the Kamala Harris campaign, which is she
is trying to live in this alternate reality where she

(01:50):
is the change candidate and Donald J. Trump is the
incumbent president, and that is not in fact the planet
on which we live. And and I think JD did
a good job multiple times of saying, gosh, if she
has all these policy proposals, why isn't she doing any
of them now?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, for the last three and a half years.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
And Walts has no answer to that other than well, well,
what's happening now isn't working, So that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
There was one funny part of the debate that I laughed,
And it was when he was talking about how none
of the wall was actually built, and then it was
like he realized, oh wait, maybe I don't want to
go that far with this point because she's got an
ad out showing down on Trump's wall, and he was
like he kind of backpedaled on.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
He's like, well, you guys didn't build much of that wall.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
It's like, well, now, didn't she just say, didn't know
you're here to represent just say we got to have
a secure border, build a wall.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, and you could tell that Waltz was uncomfortable defending
Kamala's record because he kept trying to go back to
Minnesota over and over ageing, Yeah, look at what I've
done in Minnesota. Look at what I've done in Minnesota.
It's like, wait a second, you're not the candidate for president.
Kamala Harris says, she's been the vice president. And I
thought in particular, the strongest moments of the debate were

(03:02):
on economics and the impact for working men and women,
that that just people's lives are harder, that the cost
of everything has gone up, the cost of food, the
cost of healthcare, the cost of UH gasoline. And I
thought on the cost of housing, I think jd Vance
made a good point of Look eleven and a half

(03:23):
million illegal immigrants, do you think that's driving up the cost
of housing? And I will say two of the losers
tonight were sitting in the moderator chairs and and and
that they they seem to be trying to topple prior
moderators for for the biggest partisan hacks of a debate.
I thought CBS's moderators, Nora O'Donnell and Margaret Brennan did

(03:45):
did a terrible job. Uh, there is not a person
in the universe who watched this debate who has any
doubt either of them is like that, none whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, there, And the best part was you and I
were watching it again, And it's fun to watch these
things together because I was sitting there. And one of
the things that made me laugh was when they did
their hands off to each other. It was like, thinking,
we have to make we have so many important they
think you to back over to you. It was like
I was watching Anchorman outtakes and it was like, we
are so official journalistic here and we're going to be wonky.

(04:17):
And and then they would immediately go back in their
hardest in their partisan hackery, which was when they muted him.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yes, no, no, that was wow.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
That really was the moment.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I tweeted, I said, when that happened, I tweeted, I
was like in communist countries they mute microphones. They just
did it during the Vice president of debate that if
you want to know if the state sponsored media, yeah,
they just did it.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
I really was waiting for them, you know, you made
the Acreman equip as We're watching the debate, and I
was really waiting for one of them to lean over
as Ron Burgundy and say, screw you, Sandiego and I'm
cleaning the language up a little bit from the actual
line of the movie. But but it was number one,
stilted their mindating number two. It was incredibly smarmy and condescending.

(05:04):
Their entire attitude is we know better than all of you.
And by the way, the things they interrupted, they were
supposed to not do fact checks. When they did do them,
they were wrong, and they were completely self satisfied. And
the moment when they cut off jd Vance's microphone was pitiful.
It was nakedly biased. It was hackery. It was nothing

(05:25):
but partisan hackery, and I think CBS really got a
black eye.

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I want to go back to the beginning of the debate,

(08:01):
and the first question coming into the debate was one
I think we all knew it was going to be
on Israel and the attack on Israel from Iran, and
Waltz was very, very very nervous, you could tell. But
he also didn't know what to do because there's a
hard part of the Democratic Party, especially him in Minnesota, YEP,
with the extremists there that hate Israel and they're the

(08:25):
ones that are protesting and supporting the terrorists. And when
he came out, he had a little bit of an
oops listen carefully.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
I ran.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Israel's ability to be able to defend itself as absolutely
fundamental getting its hostages.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Back it's hostages. But I was like, come on, man,
you got to do a little bit better than this.
But it tells you where the Democratic Party is right now.
They don't want to come out and defend Israel too much,
but they know they have to defend him on the
face tonight.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
And it was this weird, awkward moment for him.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Well, and look, he had a talking point that was
written for him for his handlers, by his handlers. That
was to say, Israel has a right to defend itself
and the hostages should be returned. And so those are
the two sentences he was told to say. And then
he immediately said, but we have to address the humanitarian
crisis in Gaza, because that's really what the Democrat Party

(09:17):
is worried about, is that too many Hamas and Hezbela
terrorists are being killed. And so he had to throw
that in. What he didn't say, you know what, he
didn't say a word about Iran attacking Israel, firing, not
a word at Israel. Look, Iran just just pummeled Israel
with missiles and that is a major escalation. Now Iran

(09:38):
has been funding Hamas and funding Hesbel that's been fighting
through proxies. But this is now Iran directly attacking Israel.
And the question he was asked is would he support
Israel striking back? And you know what he didn't answer.
He not want to answer. He did not want to
answer at all. And you know, critically the opening of

(10:04):
his answer, Tim Waltz's answer was this crisis began on
October seventh. Well, that's actually wrong. This crisis began in
January of twenty twenty one, when Joe Biden and Kamala
Harris came in. Yeah, when they began flooding one hundred
billion dollars to Iran, that's when the crisis. And by

(10:27):
the way, when they came in, remember what was happening.
Just weeks before, we had peace flourishing in the Middle East.
We had the Abraham Accords signed on the south lawn
of the White House. I was there for the signing
of the Abraham Accords. You know what, not a single
Democrat showed up for the signing of the Abraham Accords.
Not a single Democrat Senator, not a single Democrat house member.

(10:49):
I did not realize that none of them showed up.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
And that was the deal that dealt with the word
they're obsession with, which is peace.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Right, Yes, it was. It was historic peace. It was
the Arabs and the Israelis coming together and signing historic
peace accords. And not only did no Democrats sign up
at the signing end. Do you know what Joe Biden
Kamala Harris instructed the State Department what was that in writing?
They said, you were not allowed to use the words

(11:16):
Abraham Accords. Don't even call them real what they were called.
They were instructed to call them normalization agreements, but do
not use apparently acknowledging Father Abraham as too much. Yeah,
and anything that Trump did, they were not allowed to
make reference to. But explicitly the State Department was instructed,
don't use the words Abraham Acords. So we went from

(11:39):
historic peace, the first peace agreements signed between Israelis and
Arabs in four decades, to suddenly Joe Biden, Kamala Harris
come in and they start flooding cash into Iran, and
Iran starts flooding cash into Hamas and Hezbela that paid
for the death squads on October seventh, and Tim Waltz

(12:01):
had not a word to say about that, not a
word to say about the one hundred billion dollars that
Kamala Harris gave as a gift to Iran. And you
know what is still giving today today Joe Biden and
Kamala Harris still refuse to enforce the oil sanctions against Iran.
They are literally funding the missiles that were fired on

(12:22):
Iran today in a very real sense, Kamala Harris paid
for those missiles.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
It's shocking.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Also the media when you're watching this, they didn't ask
about sanctions. They also didn't ask about Hearris and what
the response should be from this administration, right because she's
in there.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
To be fair, they did. Their question was, would you
support a preemptive strike by Israel against Iran? In and
now it's not actually preempted because it is in responseory attack.
So the word preemptive is a loaded lefty word. It's
not preemptive if you're defending yourself after you've been attacked.
But that was the question they asked. And to be clear,

(12:58):
when asked, would you support Tamala is the sitting VP?
And we know Joe Biden is non COMPASSMENTUS. I don't
know if he's passed out on the beach of Delaware
or what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
But he did spend almost two hours on the phone,
he said this weekend talking about hurricane stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Almost two hours. Well, you know, and look, that's a
lot of time for him.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
I believe that because when my girls were young, we
had an app on the phone that was the wheels
on the bus go round and round, and I believe
he spent two hours on the phone, perhaps with an
app like that.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
But the question that they should have asked was, are you, guys,
what would you do differently? What would you advocate for?
What would you support sanctions? I mean you and I
talked about this in our show on Monday. There was
if and correct me if my numbers are wrong, but
I'm quoting you. It was three hundred thousand barrels a
day is what a RAM was producing when Trump was
in office.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
It's now two million barrels.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Well, and I wish JD had provided more specifics on that.
That answer could have been tighter with more facts on it.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
The question I wish they would have asked them is
both them like, hey guys, are you would you right now?
Should there move more sanctions or should they be enforcing
the sanctions? Or even the question, hey, why is your
running mate Kamala Harris not doing.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
More to enforce the sanctions they stop a RAN from
murdering Donald Trump?

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yes, And that didn't come up tonight, which I was
also shocked by because we talked about this again in
Monday's pod. You have a RAN that's funding and recruiting
assassins to takeout Donald Trump and other former leaders in
our government. And as they're doing that, no one asked
that question tonight.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, look at it now. I will say a point
that Jad made on this that was very effective is
when he looked at the camera and he asked the
American people, he said, think back in your lifetime, what
president has not had a major military conflict during his presidency?
And he said, I'm forty years old, and there's only

(14:54):
one president that you could answer yes to, and that
is Donald J.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Trumpe.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
That was a very effective point, and I think it
probably made some people think. And Waltz had no response
to that other than well, well, but you know, I
don't like Trump, and other people don't like Trump either.
But the simple point that we had peace when Trump
was president and we now have war, not just in
Israel but in Ukraine. When you have a week in

(15:21):
an effective commander in chief, that contrast was pretty stark.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
I also thought there was another narrative tonight that really
got blown up, and that was the obsession by the
media to label JD Vance's strange or weird. He's a
weird guy's odd. I think he came across as very likable,
very normal, came across as a dad. And I think
that also could help Donald Trump significantly.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, yeah, no, look, I think that's right. And I
will say one of the things that surprised me. I
thought this debate was going to be nasty. You and
I both said that before. You were like, dude, they
don't like each other. We both knew that, but I
thought it was going to be nasty. To Look, my
sense is that they really dislike each other, although to
be fair, I haven't talked to JD about that, so
I don't know firsthand from him. It just the appearance

(16:09):
from the media and the general milieu as it appears
that neither one of them likes each other. And so
I thought, you know, I'd used an analogy that are
gonna be rolling around in the mud, this is gonna
be a mud wrestling match, and it wasn't. And both
of them, neither of them had even a single really
nasty line, which which is a little surprising. If you'd

(16:31):
asked me to bet beforehand, I would have I would
have bet it's more likely that they each had a
dozen nasty lines at each other than Nero and it
and in fact, both of them more than once praised
the other one, which was an interesting I don't know
if that how much of that was genuine, how much

(16:52):
of that was strategic, how much of the campaign said, Look,
your job is to be likable and relatable.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
But but and if it was, it was a great strategy.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, And both did so multiple times said said, you know,
look when when Tim Waltz described how his son had
witnessed a shooting and which which I didn't know either,
and that's that's horrific. You and I are both dads,
certainly wouldn't want our kids to see a shooting. And
I thought JD when it came back and said, hey,
I didn't know your son had done that. I'm really sorry.

(17:23):
That's that's like horrible one, no one, that's horrible. That
was real and genuine, and I thought, and there were
moments back and forth for both of them like that.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
When you look at how this played out tonight, you
and I have said this before, and you go back
in history. VP debates don't really usually matter. Does it
matter a little bit more this time?

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Do you think?

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Because there was only one present debate Number one and two,
Because if Donald Trump is he's running for four years, right,
He's not. There's no chance at eight years here does
that change the perception of voters as well?

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Look damned if I know. I will say I think
this probably mattered at the end of the day. Historically,
VP debates don't matter much. If you think back to
VP debates about the only time, I'm willing to guess
you could only remember one moment, two moments from VP debates,

(18:17):
you probably remember the fly landing on Mike Pence's head.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
And that will be seared into my brain forever. Yes,
especially since Saturday Night Live had a giant fly and
then they did a good job. They did a great
job with that.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
But the only line I bet you you can quote,
and you're about as much of a political junkie as anyone,
is the only line I bet you can quote is
Lloyd Benson to Dan Quayle saying I knew Jack Kennedy.
Jack Kennedy was my friend.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, and Senator, you're no jud Kennedy bingo, and that
that was a line.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
And that was that was what was that eighty eight
or nine?

Speaker 3 (18:48):
That was it was? It was Ducaccus Benson eighty eight
And by the way, Dan Quayle and George Bush won.
So it didn't change the outcome of election. It did
kind of see in public consciousness. That was one of
the moments where where the caricature of Quail as a
lightweight that that line it hurt him. It was clearly rehearsed,

(19:12):
it was landed very effectively, which is why three decades
later we're talking about it.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, and it was also I think to find Dan
quaill as a candidate on his own yeap, which was
sad well.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
And and the reason it was prepared is because Quail
had been using as a talking point, you know, I'm
the same age Jack Kennedy Wash because he was trying
to say I'm not inexperienced.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
And he looked young if you remember, he looked really
look at he was twenty six.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah, and it was Benson was very able to deliver
that line. And it was but historically VP debates have
not moved votes one way or the other. I will
say I was glad So for most of the debate,
Jad remembered that his target was Kamala Harrison, not Tim Waltz.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, he said that a lot. He used her name
a lot.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
And in fact, one of the better moments, and I
want you to play this clip. Is is where j
D said said to Tim Waltz said, you've got a
really tough job. I feel bad for how tough a
job you have. And it was sort of it was
damning him with faint praise because it was a backheaded
shot at Kamala. Or play that exchange, all.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Right, take a listen to this clip.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
It is actually a really funny one where you have
JD saying it's tough having your job having to defend
Kamala Harris ober.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Waltz just did as he said, first of all, Donald
Trump has to listen to the experts. And then when
he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well,
Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job
as this.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
That's general he did. So what Tim Waltz is doing.
And I honestly, Tim, I think.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
You got a tough job here because you've got.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
To play whack a mole.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Home pay, which of course he did.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation,
which of course he did. And then you signed multaneously
got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has
made gas, groceries and housing unaffordable fair American citizens. I
was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into
medical debt so that she could put food on the
table in our household. I know what it's like to

(21:17):
not be able to afford the things that you need
to afford. We can do so much better to all
of you watching. We can get back to an America
that's affordable again. We just got to get back to
common sense economic principles.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
I hope we have a conversation on healthcare then.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
Senator of Governor, please, thank you, Margaret.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
We have a lot.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
I love how they jump in there by the way,
thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
We gotta we got to move on from that real quick.
You just you just smacked them around a little bit.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah. Look, I mean that they were They were eager
to help out Waltz. They were also on the fact checking.
You know, we talked about it at at the open
of the pod when they cut off JD's mike. Now,
that was a moment when number one Kamala was getting
beat up hard on immigration, but number two the moderators

(22:05):
jumped in and JD talked about the Haitian illegal immigrants
who are in Springfield, Ohio, and you know, they wanted
to reprise the whole cat thing. I was surprised. I also,
I would have lost a bet if you had given
me the odds on whether the word cat would be
said in the debate. I would have bet yes, and
I would have lost that bet. So so that the
moderators did not say that, nor did Tim Waltz. But

(22:29):
JD rightly said, look, this massive influx of illegal aliens
is putting an enormous burden on the residents of Springfield
and every other city in Ohio and every other city
in the country. And the moderators chimed into correct him,
well those are legal immigrants, and he said, blooney, yeah,
and this is a fiction. So look, we have a

(22:50):
legal immigration system. And what has happened is Joe Biden
and Kamala Harris have abused our immigration law. So the
three hundred thousand plus Haitians in Nicaraguans and Cubans at
Venezuelan's they've flown in, They've flown in into programs where
they say, well, these guys are all now legal just
because we've decided to open the doors and call everyone
we let in legal that is not legal in any

(23:11):
ordinary sense. They are illegal immigrants. And in particular JD
rightly talks about the app CBP one, which we've talked
about on this podcast before, an app for illegal immigrants
to apply online for Kamala Harris to let him in
our open border.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
And they did not like him saying this because it
was fact checking them.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
It was they were fact checking him. They were wrong,
he countered him, and then they cut off his mic
right when Tim Waltz was saying, well, well, you know
this has been around for years. CBB one was just
created by Joe Biden Kamala Harris.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Here.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Play the clip when they cut off his mic, because
it really is revealing of the enormous bias and the
factual just mendacity of the CBS moderators.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
But thank you, senator. We having so much to get
to more.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
I think it's important we're going to turn out of
the economy thing.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
The rules were that you got in a fact check,
and since you're fact checking me, I think it's important
to say what's actually going on. So there's an application
called the CBP one app where you can go on
as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for
parole and be granted legal status at the wave of
a Kamala Harris open border wand that is not a

(24:22):
person coming in applying for a green cart and waiting
for ten years. Thank you, senatortation of a legal immigration
Margaret By.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
Thank you, Senator for describing the legal process. Have so
much to get, Senator, so much.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
The book since nineteen.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Ninety, Thank you, gentlemen, want to have that app has
not been on the books.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
It's something.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.
We have so much we want to get to Thank
you for explaining the legal process.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
I love that the legal process. I mean that is
so smarmy. Yeah, like arrogant cont she's being snarky. Look
these there's no doubt they're political bias. There's no doubt
they love Kamala Harris. There's no doubt they're voting for
Kamala Harris. Thank you for describing the legal process. No,

(25:16):
CBP one is not the legal process. It is an
app designed by Kamala Harris and Joe Biden to facilitate
a massive invasion of this country.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
And they and they shut the mic off.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
I actually am glad they did it because it's just
and when anybody says in the future, well, there's no
bias to me and Mike, really did you see? And
I love that she says, they try to act like
we shut both your micros offt No, you were shutting
down jd Vance, who was fact checking you and pointing
out that she was lying and pointing out she design
we got to move on. We have other important things.
And by the way, I promise you that moment, if

(25:50):
you pulled the audience in America watching, they would have
loved to have heard what JD.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Van said. Like course you would have been like, well,
I want to hear this right, Like wait, give me
a second.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
That's absolutely right. But CBS didn't want the audience to
hear that.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
You know.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
There was another moment on the same topic of the
border where Tim Waltz said the most brazen lie of
the entire debate, and when Waltz was back pedaling and
trying to defend the disaster of Kamala's open borders, Tim
Waltz said, quote, border crossings are down, compared to when

(26:24):
Donald Trump left office.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, now, which is a lie. And you and I
both are looking at the TV like that that's not true.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
That that is not slightly true. It's not kind of true.
It's not in any way. And let me give you
the stats. So in December twenty twenty, the total encounters
with illegals was eighty nine thousand and seventy two. In
August twenty twenty four, the total encounters was one hundred

(26:52):
and fifty eighty nine hundred and eighty eight, So it
was nearly twice as many. And and mind you, look,
there's been a slight dish up in the last couple
of months because Biden and Harris are trying to pretend
to do something about the border, and they're just doing
it as electioneering. And to put it in, in all
of fiscal year twenty twenty, do you know how many

(27:13):
encounters with illegals there were under Trump?

Speaker 1 (27:15):
How many?

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Six hundred and forty six, eight hundred and twenty.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Two that's like a month in this administration.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
In fiscal year twenty four year to date, and by
the way, we're not all the way through twenty four.
Do you know how many of they've been how many
two million, seven hundred and fifty six thousand, six hundred
and forty six.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
And by the way, these these brave fact checkers, did
you notice the CBS cut off? They say, wait a second, Governor,
you just said that border encounters were lower now than
they were under Trump. That is flat out false. They
didn't say that because they're not in the business of

(27:54):
fact checking democrats.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Well, and they also didn't bring up something else that
I actually thought there's some misopportunity. I think JD had
a great night, but I wish you would have seized
on this. The Acting ICE Director put out all of
these numbers that we've talked about here, yes, about the
number of rapists that were let go that we knew
were rapists, the number of murderers that were let go,

(28:16):
and the number of those that had been charged with
Haines's crimes, and we still let go into this country.
And that didn't see the light of day tonight. And
it's again it goes back to the moderators, like it's
shame on them for not actually talking about the Acting
ICE Director saying this when they're going to talk about
the border, how do you talk about the border without that.
But I do and again it's debating's tough, and I

(28:39):
want to be clear, it's tough, but there was a
missed opportunity there. I'm shocked that JAD didn't really try
to hammer that that point home.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah. Look, look, I think JD did a very good
job tonight. I was surprised that the thirteen thousand convicted
murderers did not come up. It's such a powerful number
and CBS hasn't covered it, the news hasn't covered and
so this debate was an opportunity for That's actually something
that I wish that, like it had been slowly explained,

(29:09):
that they'd taken a little bit of time. You need
to understand that right now today there are more than
thirteen thousand illegal aliens who are free, who have not
been apprehended, who are convicted murderers. There is nothing whatsoever
stopping Kamala Harris from picking up all thirteen thousand of

(29:33):
them tomorrow. Legally she has every right to do so.
They are here illegally, they can be detained, they can
be deported. And yet and there are another two thousand
roughly illegal aliens who have pending murder charges, so they're
being charged with murder. And you know what, they're free too.

(29:54):
There is nothing, zero preventing Kamala Harris from picking up
those two two thousand and I would have loved to
see JD turn to Tim Walton say, Governor, why doesn't
Kamala Harris pick up those fifteen thousand murderers right now?
And what would you say to the mothers of the
children murdered by these illegal alien murderers that you continue

(30:18):
to allow on the street. Yeah, he wouldn't have an
answer to that.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
No, he wouldn't have an answer to that.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
And look again, like I said, debating is hard, and
I think one of the things that he did really
well was he talked about the fact that people are
suffering in this country because there's so many illegal immigrants,
and it backfired on CBS. They were talking about the
economy and they were talking about the housing crisis. It
was a little bit later in the debate. Many people,
if you didn't watch the whole debate, this was one

(30:43):
of those moments. I think they actually buried it on purpose.
They need to check a box, ask a question about
the about housing. But there was a moment there where
JD Van Sees on like, well, yeah, of course home
prices are.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Going to be up.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
You let fifteen to twenty million people in this country,
they got to have a roof over their head. They're
competing with you, especially for low cost housing and apartments,
which is skyrocketing.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Price undoubtedly, And and and CBS really beclowned themselves on
this because because one of the moderators chimed in and said, well,
do you have any evidence of that? What proof do
you have of that? And JD, to his credit, was
prepared and said, well, actually, there's a Federal Reserve study
that lays out the impact of illegal immigration driving up
the cost of housing, and we'll put that out on
social media right now so you can go read the study.

(31:27):
But he also made the point of just supply and demand.
What do you think an additional eleven and a half
million people is going to be ending housing is going
to do? Do you do these houses magically get created
from the sky? Is there a wand that makes them
makes them come into existence? And the moderators just didn't
like that point, and and so they they were, but

(31:49):
they looked pretty silly when they asked if he had
any evidence and the answer was well, yes, I love.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
The other day on TV they were talking about the
price of hotels in New York City of skyrocketed. Yeah,
because I think it's like one out of x summer,
of every hotels is filled with illegal immigrants. They're taking
away hotel room course, so then they get more for the.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Hotel rooms that are available.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
You and I I don't even know if did you
know I got stranded in New York City and there
wasn't a single hotel room after we came back from
the airport.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Did I tell you this?

Speaker 2 (32:20):
So this is how bad it is. And this is
when I learned, like really firsthand. I went the airport,
was on the plane, was on the plane for like
four hours. They finally cancel the fight. We pulled back
up the gate and they say go back in the city.
So immediately get on the phone.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
I called Fox.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I'm there for TV. I'm like, hey, I'm going to
need a hotel room. And I got to get back
to the city. And then I get into a fight
back in the morning to Houston, and she was like,
no problem, I'll call in a minute, go ahead and
head down the cars and we'll get you back to
the city.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
She said, I've never seen this before.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
There's not a single hotel room in the city, and
I'm like not And it wasn't like there was like
the super Bowl going on. This is a normal Tuesday
in New York. And I was like, are you kidding. Well,
then I open up my app and I'm like, I
get on Expedia. I there are no hotel rooms. They
start looking in a New Jersey. They're looking everywhere. Finally,
the only option was to go back to the city

(33:08):
and hope that someone doesn't come to a hotel room.
I sat outside of the hotel I always stay at,
know the manager, and I walked in. He's like Ben,
He's like, this is because of all the illegal immigrants
in the city.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
He goes, there's no hotel rooms to deal with a capacity.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I set outside to one in the morning until finally
someone canceled the hotel and then he checked me into
that room at one o'clock. So I sat there from
seven to one am. My fight was at six in mornings.
I slept for like three hours. And he said, this
is what they've done to our city, referring to the
illegal immigrants and how many have come in. And when
I say there was an it was there was not
a hotel room in the city. That's what's happening now

(33:45):
because of legal immigration centator. I want to talk and
wrap on the issue of style. You know, you and
I both thought this was going to be a intense debate.
They don't like each other, They're going to throw down.
I think we're also gotten kind of used to that,
which down true, that's what we've seen over the last
several years. Joe Biden likes to do that as well.
We've seen a lot of the Republican debates. Primary debates.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Didn't by the way Hillary and Trump was nasty. They
were real nasty.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Oh yeah, I mean they threw down, and tonight I didn't.
I did enjoy a little bit of civility, absolutely, and
that was something we haven't seen. But I also think
if it was a strategy by the by the Trump team,
Hey you're gonna be the likable guy. You're gonna try
to bring more people into the tent. I want you

(34:31):
to walk away really thinking that you're the right choice.
They nailed it. If that was the intent tonight.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah, Look, I think JD came across as as real
and relatable. He did a good job of telling his
own family story and his own background, I mean his
you know, he wrote a best selling book, Hill Billy LG.
Was made into a movie, a very very good movie,
a movie that's terrific to watch. And but yet a
lot of people don't know that story. He's been a

(35:00):
caricatured just like Trump has. And and I think tonight
made real progress making him seem like a real person,
seem like a husband and a father. And you know,
someone who is has has journeyed from very humble beginnings
to to right now being the nominee to be vice

(35:22):
president of the United States. That's that's one heck of
a journey.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
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