The Big Bend Outdoors Show 05.25.24

This is the Big Bend Outdoors Show with Joel Baldree

Original Airdate 05.25.24

Today's guests include: Captain Tanner Schwab, Captain Paul Tyre, Captain Kenny Mullins, and special guest Dale Bessey

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Episode Transcript

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This is the Big Bend Outdoor Showwith Joel Baldry. Today's guest include Captain
Tanner Swab, Captain Paul Tyre,Captain Kenny Mullins and special guest Dale Bessie.
Here's your host, Joel Baldry.Hi, guys, Welcome to the
Big Ben Outdoor Show. Tanner hasfinally made it back from catching catfish left

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three or four weeks. He's beena logging, been staying busy. I
reckon this excuse anyways, Wide open, wide open, wide open, logging,
Tanner. What's going on with theweather this weekend? Man, Man,
we got some real good weather thisweekend. We're gonna have a southwest
wind about eight miles an hour.It's gonna be a high of ninety three

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and a low of seventy one,just right on time for me. You
know, that's beautiful weather. Inthe morning, it's gonna be a high
tide about five point fifteen, athree point one. It's gonna be low
again at ten thirty in the morning, a one point five, gonna have
about a foot and a half amovement in the morning, which is it's
gonna be pretty good with you know, with the wind and also if you

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want to be out there first thingwith your top water, and then it's
gonna be high again in the afternoonat three fifty at three point eight,
Uh, so you're gonna have abouttwo and a half for the movement,
So be good fish in the afternoon. Even later in the afternoon at eleven
fifty at night, it's gonna bea negative point six, so you're gonna
have almost four foot of movement.Yeah, sorry to interrupt you. Tanner

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Dale didn't have his phone on silidgoing off, finish, finish the conversation,
so rude every time he leaves hisphone out. Anyhow, lad the
evening, you're gonna have a goodwater movement with the wind and everything,
so it ought to be a goodbite for Memorial Day weekend, it's gonna
be wild. I don't know aboutno fish bitting, but there is definitely
gonna be some boaters out there.Oh yeah that keep in mind with that,

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guys, remember safety, you needthe d D. Let's have all
your safety equipment up to date.Oh man, I tell you, if
you ain't got your boat, don'teven bother going because they are gonna be
checking out the ramp. Oh yeah, life jackets, whistles and talking about
at the ramp, have patience becauseyou will be waiting and I'll be there

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backing boats down for five dollars ora free beer. I'm back five dollars.
Yeah, five dollars either one freefree beer preferably, but I'll take
the five dollars too. Well.I gotta tell you something. It's gonna
be busy this weekend, and uh, everybody be careful, wear you life
vest and uh, just be carefulout there. Have fun, go out
there and catch fish and you know, do what you do, go out

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to the sandbar or whatever it is. But man, please be careful,
have fun, and uh, likeI said, have a little patience at
the ramp. And if you canhelp somebody out, give them my hand
Yep, that's right. So I'llbe at keating pretty much all week.
You garden grassy down there. Makesure everybody's good down there. We're gonna
be serving barbecue sandwiches and we're gonnahave a little live band session and uh,

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we're gonna have some fun, gonnabe some DJing going on. There
ain't gonna be no fishing involved.So how's the fishing been doing? Tanner
you've been doing any fishing late inthe afternoons or anything. Yeah, man,
it's been real good. We've beenwearing the red fish out out there
around the rocks and the oyster barsoffshore. Oh you had a trap don
moved out? Huh yeah uh.More in the grass areas like a grassy

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bottom not you know, the floatingsea grass and all. There's a lot
of that grass out there, fleetout in front of Heckory Mound, places
like that nice grass bottle. Ithought it was around keating stuff. Everybody
need to be going. Well,there's a lot of grass there too.
But if you're fishing on the westend out in front of Ckrey Mound or
Saint Mark's, Yeah, I'm justtrying to not pinpointing spots trying. I'm
trying to put them all Kenny ofit around gates creaking. About what average

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depth are you looking at Tanner threeand a half foot probably something like that.
They've been well the last two daysthey've been catching the six to eight
foot of water, which that freshwater is still coming from Georgia. Yeah.
Man, when I when I wascoming down earlier earlier today, that
Ekafini was way up and so isa still. I mean this way up
in people's yards and everything else.Still. Yeah, And that's you know,

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when we had that big rain ofthe night, we got ten inches
and not counting what Georgia got,so we had all that trying to rush
out the woods and stuff, youknow, and our river goes underground seven
eight times, so it ain't gotnowhere to go. It's only gonna lie
so much. What's going in there, you know. I think there's a
big problem going on that a lotof people aren't aware of. And maybe
the uh and maybe they are andall, but I think there is a

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lot of beaver dams that were there. And then you take all the stuff
that has been knocked out and hasfloated down river, it accumulates in them
bends, and when it does,it creates a natural dam. And I
think a lot of that's going onin these back creeks that lead into the
larger rivers. And that's why we'renot draining this water. Well, you

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get so much in a month,they ain't gonna have nowhere to go.
That's what I'm hoping. It staysdry for about two or three weeks,
but then our roads get back dusty, so I don't have it, don't
you know. I'd rather have asprinkle every now and then keep them roads
down because it gets bad dusty downthere. We need old Phil Robertson,
you know, from old Duck Dinstey, to come out here and take care
of the beaver down. See hecan do it now, he knows what

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he's doing it. Yeah, man, blow him up with dynamite. I'd
enjoy that. Yeah he don't.He ain't, you know, hateful on
too many things, but he don'tlike a beaver at all. He does.
I mean, it's one of God'screatures that aren't blessed in his book.
That is true. Paul, what'sy'all's weather looking like for this weekend?
I tell you what was looking lookingpretty good. It's gonna be hot,

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though, man, I tell youin Lenigas ninety three ninety four that
humidity's up. He can get brutalout there. But I tell you what
I didn't when when if I'm outwith folks daring that when he gets hot
like that, I put one ofthem Cobalt fans on with them with five
gallon ice and and comment melts manthat lets out that miss. I tell
you what that. It works too, it does, and that breeze comes

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and go to cools you off.But man, it's been hot the last
few days. But actually the firstpart of this week has been really comfortable
out there, really nice, wearingsweatshirts in the morning and they come off
about ten thirty eleven, You knowthat. It's I wish you'd stay like
that, but it ain't going towhat's the temperature high this weekend? Ninety
three? Ninety three. Oh,it's gonna be hot in that saltwater.
Yeah, have that sand bar justright, I see, we need to

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be going up there to the systembe floating around like a man. It's
like it's gonna be real high inthere, you know. But see last
time it flooded down there around alsoand stuff, it got a little high,
but it was dark at the damdown there. But WordWise, this
big blue it's still crystal clear.So it actually turned out good. It
turned out pretty good. It takesa lot for that to get up and

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get dark, make it flood.Muse starts a lot of water coming out
right there. Yeah, no doubt. Is the water clearing up any or
you still got a lot of water? No, our water is trying to
a little bit, but it's dirty. The uh the Flint River of arm
or Lake Simonos is still dirty.Spring Creek is dirty, starting to clear
a little bit on the north endof it, and the Chattych River is

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till dirty. That's from all thatrain we had a week ago. And
what you was just talking about,it's it's made. Uh, it's it's
This is the muddiest I seen thelake up to May and I've ever seen
I don't ever remember this muddy forso long. That how much rain we
got this year. It's amazing thatours at never cleared up yet and it's
usually crystal clear about this time,and it's not clear enough at all.

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Yeah, well, I guess allthat water coming out of out out of
the rivers, like you said,going out and going down there. But
I just went over, you know, recording the show today, I went
over the o'clatney River and it's highand muddy. So that Lake Talquin's high,
but it should be, you knowthis as that water flows flows down
through Talquin, that could actually getthe bass, the actual bass bike because
they got a lot more current,a lot and a lot of water out

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of the damn thing. They canget a move and get them baiting.
And that's another thing people's got torealize. On the coast. You know,
usually it's a mixture of river andstuff like that, but now all
the rivers are swanny and everything elseis flooded. Everybody's gonna be coming to
the coast. So that's gonna makeit more and more crazy, all the
people between Stein Hatchie and Saint Mart's. I mean, it's gonna it's gonna

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be wild because they ain't got nowhereelse to go. Well, that's how
the saltwater Tanner. When you're yougonna take me, fishing man, you
take down. You take mister JamesMan. I've taken you several times and
I put you on them big ridsevery time you take Whose boat was we
in Tanner when we put that's onthe big rids? Well we were on

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your boat one day. But you'vebeen out several times with me and we
caught them big ridsh But the lastcouple of times we went on on that
green boat, it was nothing butthem dang whisker fish. Right. But
like when you and Dale went,huh, didn't cares the first whisker fish
for me. Did he deal?No? I did not, But whosh,

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who did catch a catfish? Huh? We had a great trip the
airboat, that airboat. Right,I'm gonna tell you something, folks,
if you ain't ever been on anairboat, you need to call these guys
because you talked about some fun.That is some fun. You go airboat,
you go fishing on top of it. It's even better you out there
catching some red fish having a greattime. But that ride on that airboat,

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man, that's like starting to liveagain, you know. But you
never asked my question, Dale,I'm sorry, what question was that?
Who caught a catfish? Fishing?Who caught a catfish? When me and
Tanner was fishing? Yeah? Doit? You can't lie. You can't
lie on the radio show. Onthe radio show. Yeah, we don't
lie. Okay, why aren't wegoing to break? No, we're not

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going to break yet. We gota few more minutes. I did not
see a catfish caught on our truckblocked. I can I say because I
did not see the fish. Hedidn't see any whiskers. I didn't sit.
No, didn't see no whiskers.He cut the lie before he could

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see it. We don't have tohave much a catfish? Can he call
in about the cat Well, youknow you wouldn't here if you'd have been
here last week. You know,Little Kenny send us some little dreads.
Yeah, some rigs that he hadset up right that he's making now.
Yeah, his company's Texas tackle box. Yeah, Texas tackle on Facebook.

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It's pretty cool, Yeah, hesaid. The zach wander that Kenny needed
to catch all the catfish earn thesalt water. He sent it to him
directly, little test kit, promokit. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty
cool. You wanted to try itout? I figured you and Kenny try
it out? Right? How itsince y'all all the time catching the catfish
and then Paul's catching real fish thatyou eat, you lost? I don't

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know now send them planting is agood deat flatheads not in his salt water
cat Yeah, I don't. Idon't do them salt work. Slimmy jack
ain't going to my boat. Comeon, Tan, let's hear you itching
to say something. Water catfish.I haven't not myself throw them back.
People say they're good, but I'mnot going through the trouble cleaning that slimmy

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thing. I mean even her rivercatfish ain't slimmy like they are. Yeah,
they say people used to I don'tknow if they still do it or
not. Used to make them mad, and they would they would that slime
would come off of them, somekind of a slime, and they would
lick that and hallucinate. They enjoyedthat. Have you ever heard any such
saying. I'm being serious, No, I haven't. So what you're saying

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is people used to get high forlooking at catfish. Yeah, I ain't,
Jackie. They said that. That'sthat's one of them old wives tales.
Are you serious? I'm telling youI ain't doing it. I ain't
doing it either. We get justjust hearing about it makes me think feel
like I just did it. Imean, it's so weird. I'm like,

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my lord, your catfish people,y'all don't try that, because I
really think it works. If y'ally'all, do not try that link the
catfish unless you hard, unless unlessyou ain't by yourself didn't do it.
We got to go to a quickcommercial. Y'all gotta stay tuned for cat
and Catfish. Kenny Mullins on thephone, Hey, guys, welcome back

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to the Big Ben Outdoors Show.We got Captain Catfish Kenny Mullins on the
phone. What's going on, Ken, Bob? Not much fixing the head
out on the water for a trip, and then after that, I'm heading
to Pa to another dog. Iknow you from here? Are you or
driving? Driving? That's crazy?So that's really your excuse not for being

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here today. You already had atrip booked, well part of it.
Yeah. Yeah, So don't goblaming Jared. Jared, by the way,
Kenny blamed you. So he didn'tknow a time to be here that
you was gonna call us and letus know. It's the time every week
May He didn't say that. Yeah, but he was talking to Paul all
about producing the commercial. Hey,hey, Kenny, are you fishing this

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afternoon? Oh wow? Where areyou going to in the water? That's
a big air. The ocean's bigguys, y'all can talk about a little
bit of it where you go,can't you? Now we're we're we're going
out of steam, Hatchie, Wellyou won't be going out there Friday or
Saturday. We uh yeah, yep. Yeah. So you know, Joel,

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last week we talked about the conditionsand how I was afraid we were
going to it was going to belike a light switch. Go from the
short spring bite, we saw thesummer. And I don't know about on
your end of the of the town, but we are seeing the summer bite
pretty fast right now, really asin just slow slow. The trouders scattered

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out deeper. The reds have pushedout pretty good ways. The water's just
the water's clear and getting hot.And see they're still like the red fish
on are you know west, youknow, to Saint Mars. I've heard
hearing some good reports the last coupleof days of catching red fish in and

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then but they had to go outto five six ft of order arounding big
rocks to catch the trout. Butnow back doors day Kaffini hearing people catching
red fish, you know, fivemiles out. Yeah, yeah, And
that's the thing that you know,we're getting. We're getting the summer bite
real fast. And I think,I think go around the hall still of
Saint Mars. You know, youall have all that fresh water run off

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that's probably keeping your waters a littlecooler and holding those reds in. Are
you going straight the penfish traps?Now? So that's one thing I was
going to talk about my last twotrips. One one trip we fished artificial
only and we we did decent thebite just wasn't quite right. We did

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get checked by the game warden andhe boarded the boat, checked the fish
and said that's the best box I'veseen all day. Well, I figured
he's just saying exact client's on theboat. And we go back in and
I told my wife, I said, you know, we had a good
day, but it could have beena lot better. So I'm gonna go
put some pinfish traps out. Andwe ran back out put the traps out

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for coming back in, and hestops me again right there by the pier
at Keaton and he says, hey, you might let me know what you
caught those fish on. He said, you had the best box of the
day. And it was just meand my wife, So I know he
wasn't just you know, trying tohelp me out with the clients on the
boat. Then, but the nextday we took live pinfish. We caught
one trout on live pinfish. Sothen I said, I said, well,

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I'm gonna trying to cut some upthrough some cut bait. Nothing and
we swapped over to some white andgold z Man scented paddle tales on a
quarter ounce z Man Texas side jighead, and we ended up with our limited
trout and redfish. Dang, that'scrazy, and the pinfish should be working

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and or not? Yeah, youwould think, I mean, and that's
it blew my mind. But that'swhy I always keep all kinds of stuff
on the boat, and I'm quickto try something different. And what I
did is while they were fishing withpinfish, I just kept swapping out and
then I found they wanted that paddletail. I caught two back to back,
so I switched everyone over and wewere in about seven feet of water

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and we caught our trout, andI moved in and we were at about
three and a half four feet whenwe caught our reds. So that's crazy.
How much of a difference it is, you know, and our coast
ain't that far apart, you know, our sections right, Yeah, I
mean I was. I was probablytwelve miles from you. That's crazy.

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Well, how do traps work out? Did they catch some small ones?
Yeah? They were perfect. Youknow. When I went into the store,
originally I had asked you about alittle smaller openings. And it's because
I was used to the Key Weststyle traps and getting the bigger pinfish and
and toadfish getting in there and anduh black sea bass and eating the pinfish.

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But it's been perfect all I'm gettinga small pinfish, drunks and spot
tails. Thank yeah. What kindof uh, what kind of trap you're
on it? I'm running the onesthat Joel has his store, that Rachel
makes cast Nate King cast Nate Kingtraps, yep, yep. I went
to Joel's store, picked up sixof them, and uh got some good

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food. Joel made me a friedblowny sandwich and my wife and son a
burger that they said was delicious.Nice. That was. That's the first
compliment I got from Kenny Boy.This chair thick on him no more the
rest of the day. Well,you know, I think I'll help you

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out on your cooking since your fishingskills. I'm gonna have somebody. I'm
gonna have somebody down their scouting himout this week again and we're gonna get
a full report on how many fishhe caught. I got a go for
I'm gonna set up on his dockthat way, I see. I mean
he's getting cleaned tanners and told melast time he went around in it and

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had two catfish and one bluefishish.I don't know, he knows better.
I was loaded down with trout andred fish. I did. Hey,
I thought it was bull crapping aboutthe puffer fish, but they was up
there skinning them. And what didyou think of that meat on that puffer
fish? Then? Well, Iwas skeptical at first. But the guys
that I took out, that tookthey took the puffer fish home and ate

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them. They they swear they theywere eating red snapper. Really, they
like eating two little chicken tenders thatyou get off each buffer fish yep,
yep, and super easy to cleanyep. Nothing to it. Well,
they need to start doing something withthem, because I'm tired. I'm tearing
up my my popping corks and everythingelse. They will crush one us popping

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corse. Yeah, I used poppingcortse every now and then that old Georgia
rig Georgia throwing shrimp on drum orwhat shrimp and new penny. I don't
use new penny. I don't usego up that much I use z Man.
I tried the other day. I'mtelling you, I was desperate for
a bite and I was beginning towater. We went almost two hours out

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of bite, and finally when Iswitched to those paddle tails, you know,
we ended up getting our limit.It's hard to beat the z Man
paddle tail Man the Laguna. That'sjust my go to now. That and
the pearl. The pearls pretty goodtoo. I was throwing the beer run,
which is white and gold. Yeah. Yeah, the beer runs just
about like the pearl. I mean, they know, similar, real similar,

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and I have caught them off thebeer run too, But that that
pink is always my favorite. FromMarch on, you know, to about
the end of June July and man, I don't know what. It gets
real bad then when it gets hotlike that in July. Yeah, we're
it's coming up on us quick.I seen a six degree water temperature swing
in three days already. What isit now, area, it's eighty six

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eighty six? Yeah, that's nuts, wow, yep. Yeah. So
Sunday it was seventy nine when Iwhen I went, I think it was
Sunday, Sunday or Monday. Itwas seventy nine when I went out,
and uh, yesterday late afternoon itwas eighty six. Is it. So
you're saying the water is still cleardown there, Yes, So the scallops

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we're gonna have when when's scarlet semcome in again? June fifteen, June
fifteenth, June fifteenth. Well soso the s coleops is in long we
don't get too much more rain.That's gonna be a full swing on open
the day, isn't it. Oh? Yeah, and we're loaded down with
them back gone. Yeah, Southustinehats As is stacked. Yeah, they

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are in our area that I don'tthink they're gonna never come in. Like
I said, our order has notchanged since December. Really, I mean
it got a little bit where youcan see the bottom, but it's just
ridiculous now, I mean you can'tsee nothing. Yeah, it's pretty much
that way one you get coming fromKeaton, you get the other side of
Rock Island. I mean, uhst Holloway towards Rock Island. It's getting

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getting pretty dark. Have you triedfishing that way any or you just been
fishing? I have no, Ihave, and uh, all the way
to Rock Island, I'm seeing thesame patterns as Keaton and I mean we
saw a big school of red fishand uh ten and a half seat of
water which was ahead. Yeah,it's crazy. Well, you know they
saying that between you know, RockIsland and Oscilla is the same way.

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But I'm hearing good reports back westof Oscilla. So yeah, it's just
weird. How that little bit ofarea, you know, that was the
hot spots all around you know,Rock Island and stuff. Now you're hearing
an opposite. There's nothing happening thatway, catching you know, three or
four keepers and some of them noteven catching red fish. And then you

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got them going you know west,catching red fish in close and then catching
all you know, the trout alimited trout every time I've been here in
the last you know reports in thelast few days and five to six foot
of water yep, yeah, that'sabout right. Anywhere mainly anywhere from about
five and a half to seven iswhere I'm catching my limits of trout.

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There's still some big ones in Shallower, that scene where Ed Revels, which
is a has a house in KeatonBeach. He caught one Wednesday. It
was twenty nine and a half inchesman and he was in three feet of
water. Well, let me askyou this. You got your battle gear
ready for this weekend fighting going outto canal? I am not too excited

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about it. You need some peopledown there with stop signs and stuff holding
them up, holding them up atthe public dot where you can get out.
You right there by the public,ain't you. Yeah? Yeah?
Well, and Keith and I've gota I've got a lot on the next
canal over, so you know whenit's when it's bits like this. Most

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of the time, I try totake the holiday weekends off. But a
friend of a friend called wanting togo out, so I didn't have much
of a choice. Yeah, youcan even say I'm tired. I don't
want to go fight all them people. Yeah, cause this's gonna be crazy.
I got to figure out where I'mgonna put in down there Saturday morning.
I'm gonna probably get there at daylightwhere I can get on out.

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I have to worry about nothing.You going out of the hatch, No,
No, I'm going out of Keaton. I'm probably gonna put a private
ramp there that way. I ain'tgot to fight that public MP man.
What you doing on in Keaton?No, wonder you wanted a fish and
report from me. No, man, we're just going to hang out,
dude, it ain't nothing like that. I ain't gonna have a fishing pole
on the boat. I'm gonna havea generator, barbecue sandwiches, and a

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couple of so called singers on theboat. Oh man, there ain't nothing
wrong with that. No, No, we're gonna have a good time.
You'll probably hear us fired up overthere if you fish in between stein Hatch
and Grassy. Yeah, I probablywill be slip on up there and have
some fun with us. But yeah, you going not with Kenzy? Yeah?
Yeah, So we booked him forour event then the first weeknd of

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March twenty twenty five. I'm justgoing to be singing at our blood trailing
the event in Canard, Florida.Right well, Kenny, we run out
of time. Brother, enjoy yourtrip this afternoon, and I'll see you
down it this weekend. I'll besaying, all right, and guys,
we'll be right back after this quickcommercial. Welcome back to the show.

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Guys, we got Captain Paul Tire. If it's gonna tell us what's going
on Lake Seminole, I tell youguys. Lake seminole though it's the like
we said earlier, Lake's been alittle moundy, but it is starting to
clear up a little bit. AndI think if this rain ever stop,
you know, you know, Joel, do you remember it to being this
rainy this long? And I don'tremember it. In a while. I
thought it was in global warming myself, and that's what I keep I don't

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know about all that. April showershave just drug gone into money. Yeah,
that's right, they turned, theyturned into may showers. But the
lakes lakes spend money. But theshell cracker been there's still some shell cracker
bedding up there. I had afriend, uh found the shell cracker bed
this this week and I think caughtseventy off of it about an hour and
a half, and really nice ones. And then the mayflies started, and

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then you know when the mayflies areare when they're doing their thing, then
you know you've got brim on thebed and the brim have been bed.
And I talked to another person thatwill fly riding on a fly rod,
got like one hundred big nice brimon the mayfly hatches, and that's fun.
I've been waiting on them bass toget on them. Bass to start
feeding on them too, on thebrim, feeding on the mayflies. But

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it hasn't been because this that's timeof year when the top water bike gets
really good. Probably some of mybiggest customer's biggest bass have been this time
of year when that may fly hatchstarts. But I'm looking forward to it
getting that's going to be starting anytime. This may fly, the may fly
as they kind of hatch, itseems like all the way into August,
they ain't just may flies, theymay June July August, you know what

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I mean? Do y'all get akind of hatches like that down on the
coast, did y'all no man day? And that's another thing about or katabo
worms. I ain't been seeing muchof them. That used to be my
favorite fishing bait. You know.We used to tear the dag of them,
show crackers and uh catfish up withthem. And I'm not seeing much

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of them. Yeah, yeah,Like I said, the may flies,
just that this started in the lastcouple of weeks and kind of hit and
miss. But then the last thisthis week that there have been some major
hatches. But but the like Isaid, the bass fish is going to
get even better too as we goforward the top water bike, it's going
to be good, especially that earlymorning, late and evening. You know,

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that's some does he find that tobe the case on salt water too,
when the water slipped off and everything'skind of calm right for right after
sunrise, you know, or rightfor sunset, the same same way fresh
water. I'll tell you the onLake Talquin. I know the crappie there.
They're in about ten to fourteen footof water and the miles of the
creeks. They kind of started abunch of I talked to the syrup peoples

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and get you some big ones onLake Talquin. Although he uped almost three
pounds, that's a big croppie,real big crappie. Had a customer today
when we're recording the show, catcha giant mudfish today and he was fighting
that fish. I said, oh, it's a mudfish. He has a
lot. He never never caught amudfish. And he said, he said,
I don't care, it's fun.This thing's a fight on a tight

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water fraudy's coat. It just bluewall all over. Yes. But yeah,
and then but like I said onTalquen. It's a bass out on
Talquin. They're a little bit deeper. They're on little ledges and drop offs
and on the main lake points.Been seeing some of them fish caught on
crank baits and plastic worms, CarolinaRick style baits. But you know,
I think as we go into thesummer, that especially, you know,

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as we get those mornings, eveningsand those cloudy days. I know this
past week we've had a couple rains. Any cloudy days in the bass bit
really well all day long. Nice. What kind of bait that I need
to use as a summer gets in. If I wanted to take my young
and bass fishing, what I needto use top water? I tell you
top water. Like right now,I've been throwing the top water prop bait.

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I know Berkeley makes one. It'scalled a spin pop. It's got
two props on it. That worksreally good. It's kind of a smaller
bait the old devil horse memory olddevil horses. Those work good. I
like to throwing a little bit smallerbake because up on Lake Seminole you got
a lot of hydrilla and if thefish it's like a Bangalore or a devil's
horse and one of the hooks ishanging out, he'll hang up in the

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grass and pull off. But thesesmaller baits about three inches long, they'll
actually take the whole bait in around. You don't send to lose on as
bad what you fish with. Turnerto your bass fishing. A little bit
of bass fishing I've done. Iused to work on river Ridge plantation.
Well, you got access some pones. Yeah, I'd get out of there
in a kayak and I'd get outthere on the open water, well,

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the top front, and i'd castback up on the bank and i'd pull
it across and there'd be probably fifteentwenty yards of lilies. Yeah, and
i'd skip that frog across. Assoon as it got to where the lilies
met the water. There'd always beone waiting right there, you know.
I think sometimes that and that's workingup there too, Like today we had
that big one on a tap waterfrog, on a popping frog. But
I think them bass will follow thatfrog up underneath the paths and then come

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out and get it when they getin the end of it. Two they're
laid up underneath, they're waiting,waiting. That's what everybody uses around our
Sillis the devil horses that you're talkingabout over a certain time in years?
Yeah, I think it's the yellingblack one. Yeah, that's anytime is
that water tant oh yeah, yeah, anytime you have tannt with yelling black's
always good. And you wouldn't thinkthat like the places the fish would be

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at. And like I said,I'm not no good. I mean,
I've caught one or two small bassin my life and it was on the
accident, right my buddies, Igo over them and I just I sat
bare and drink beer. I finallygive up after about an hour. Right,
catching them right and right beside themwon't get a strike if I do.
I snatch it too quick, that'sright, that's right. Yeah,
I had. I had a guythat I was with this week, and

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he would one would hit it,and he had set the hook. He
jerking away from too fast. Isaid, mean, you got to say,
you know, slow down, yougotta say where, say the city
you're from. He says, well, that's Satellite Beach. That's perfect,
say Satellite Beach, Florida. Thensaid the hook and he did. He
called that, he called that mudfish. He said it works. I said,
it is the wrong guy. Wedon't need the mudfish, do we

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That's right. Well, that's justhow you know they were working when it
with the water got real dark onus. You know, I was trying
to tell them slow down, yeah, slow down working you know, your
go off the bottom, and they'relike what and they would look at me,
and then all of a sudden,I'm like, see that's what I'm
talking about. That Paul was giveit five seconds bumping five seconds, bump
it. You got to work atslower now that water clear. You want
to work at you know how youusually really do it and it don't.

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You could use the same bait.Three of different people could be fishing.
One could be moving it slow andone could be moving it halfway, and
of them can just be moving itwhite and only one of them be catching
fish. Yeah, I noticed thattoo, and bass fishing is it's it's
weird. You know. I havea pond team boat I use. I
have three or four people out there, and usually I'm throwing plastic worms because
I don't want to throw treble hookswith that or have them throw treble hooks.

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But it seems like the person thatfishes this time of year and going
back about the last month and actuallyreally going through June. If you're throwing
a plastic worm, you want tofish that slow because most of your fish
are just recovering from the spine.They don't want something real aggressive but it
and that will change and you'll startto see fish more hitting the surface and

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more active. But you want toslow that thing down right now, make
it easy for them to get what'syour opinion on that? So? Why
why three different people using the samebait and what's causing that? For one
that like said they were bitting iton the fast when they're moving it,
it's typically the person fishing the slowestgs and regranting the most bites. So
and why is that now out ofthe three? Well, like I just

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said that in the in the inthe post spawn when the fish of finish
got off the bed and they're finishedspawning, there's a period of time when
they're they're just wore out and theyneed to They're just they want the easy
meals. And I don't know ifthat applies to the red fish like that
or or trap it. See,like on the ocean, you're always throwing
something moving fast, faster. Youknow what, it seems like it's got

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a lot of similarities. I noticedthat bast fishermen usually set the hook a
lot different. They like try tosnatch their lips and that flies by me
and I'm like, you ain't gota snatch like that, ye, mister
james Son Jody on the boat,uh snatched a couple of weeks ago,
and it was the same thing.We'd get a little trout bite, a
red fish bite. Every time hewas trying to rip their lips off and

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he miss it, and I said, you got to slow it down.
You got to slow it down andget a slow down. Finally he on
a red fish, but he washorsing him and horsing him, horsing,
and he broke him off. Butthat was, yeah, that was a
red fish, that big slup.I like to think it's a red fish
like. That's why I think,as long as Joel didn't sit service into

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my book that was a thirty oneand a half inch read, there you
go. You've hung around me longenough, as long as ain't nobody looking.
But no, man, it's it'sit's got the same similarities, honestly,
it does. And like I saidit was weird. How to me
my opinion, when that order darkensup, that's you know my I want

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to work it slower because I'm thinkingthey can't see, they going by smelling
noise. Yeah, so if you'reworking it fast, they ain't gonna find
it. You'd be pulled it bytwo or three of them. I don't
even know that. Yeah, andI have done that where I've been working
at too fast. Let me justslow it down. And you know,
like I'm not a you know,a bass fisherman, So I don't sit
there in three three thousand times.I thought about fifteen times. And now

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we're going somewhere else, especially ifI'm fishing in a tournament. Yeah,
yeahs Tanner, I don't sit long, that's right. SA you're looking,
you're looking for a fish, it'slooking for you, that's right. And
I want to be off the water, and you know, I don't want
to be rushing in and stuff likethat. I want to catch my fish
that morning and be done with itright, get to the hill and wait
the way and opens up, youknow, that's right. And you don't
got a lot of time, youknow, and you got a big coast

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to cover, and you know,I can't vouch for Tanner's GPS, but
you know you can ask him.I probably got three or four hundred spots
marked on mine where I fished,and sometimes I go back to them,
Like I had a good spot thatworked tremendous last year. This year it
produced a little bit for about amonth, and it seemed like when that
fresh water started, it just slowlydied off. We went in there a

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few times and man Tanner's called,you know, a decent redfish out there,
but not nothing like it's been rightwhere you catch you know, real
big ones at that time of theyear. It's just everything's changed, and
like Kenny was saying earlier, everythingis a month behind, but now all
of a sudden it's trying to showup. Yeah, yeah, straight into
theth That's what I noticed up there. It seems like it's getting ready to

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starting to see a summer pattern.But the mutt the usually in the summer,
you're we don't have this muddy water, and that's kind of changing things.
Temperature up there the day it waswhen I left it, I got
the water day at ten thirty andit was seventy four, so it warmed
up up, I'm on track thisafternoon when I go, I bet it'd
be seventy seven seventy eight. It'sdefinitely a big difference, he said,

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eighty six on the Yeah, that'sa big difference from Yeah, that's a
big difference the fresh water to thesalt water. But we got a lot
of moving water coming down from theriver. It's because it's muddy and they've
been pulling water, so that's closedwater down too. Yeah, no doubt.
I'm not looking forward to going outthere in eighty six degree way,
and you know it's probably gonna behotter by the time it gets said this
weekend, you're looking at ninety three, ninety three degrees. Yeah, so

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it's loud to be ninety degree water, and of course everybody on top of
each other's gonna make it hotter,you know what I mean, being in
that water on the sound. Letme ask you all this. You know,
theing this getting in the summer,people start going out there doing sky
off and went into the sharks start. Do they move into or they move
in because people coming I mean,you know what I'm saying there all the
time, all the time. Theyalready Yeah, the summertime. They just

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there on low tide, feeding offthe bait and stuff. Yeah, and
uh, when people's cleaning scallops likethey don't need to be doing this year
around water on the water where peoplescolloping, that's not a good idea.
It's just like chumming the water.You know, when scallop gets wow,
and they're not even mean bout somebodythere after the food right smell it?
Right, so they could smell.I don't know how far it is.

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It's it's a long ways. It'sunbelievable, like want Yeah, then is
there a law against cleaning on theactually on the boat out in those places?
There are rules against it? It'sjust common sense. I don't know.
We'll continue this and this a second. We've got to go to a
quick commercial break and we'll do rightback. Welcome back to the show,

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Paul, So dll, do yougot any info on about cleaning scallops,
because we surely don't know about itas far as what is it legal to
clean them on the water until youget the only thing I know is about
fish or does it come down toit. I know that you're not supposed
to clean your fish out there.You're supposed to keep them whole until you're

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uh, until you're loaded and you'reheading down the roads. So other than
that, I don't know about scallops. So everybody I know brings them home
and clean some at their barns,and you know, it's kind of like
it's part of the part of theget together, you know, and clean
the scallops and uh enjoying their vivationsafter the trip, you know. So

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but as far as the UH,as far as the law, I'm not
sure if any UH any law whetheryou can or not. But Joel was
talking about this second ago about havinga court bag and putting your clean scallops
in that court bag. That's advisableif you're going to clean them on the
boat, because just in case youdo get pulled over and checked, you

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can show whoever's you know, thegame fish officer. Hey, here's a
court bag. And see I thinkthey allow it's either a court bag or
a five gallon bucket unclean. I'mnot sure on that, so that would
have been a Kenny question. Well, a five gallon bucket uncleaned or or
five gallon bucket cleaned would probably Thesize of these scallops are so small would

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be probably a court bagh. Yeah, so it's just one of those things.
I've never really I eat them.They're great, but I don't clean
them. So that's what it is. I wait till the neighbor goes out
and catch a bunch of them andthey invite us up. They didn't like
a fresh scallop there off that water, Hey man, Hey the truth with

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some boater right there and some tony'son top of them, with some little
bit of brown sugar, and youmix it up real good and put it
in that oven. That's the greatestthing in the world about living where we
live is we got the golf.Everything's fresh man. You get that red
fish. You know this, you'recatching red fish and you got them on
the you know you're blacken in redfish that evening, and yeah, your

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oysters. Everything's right here, man. I mean people people that don't live
around here, live up north.You know, they paid big money for
that kind of stuff, and wegot it right here in the backyard.
Good good times. Yeah. Idon't know what rich people are doing,
but we always eating good. Countryboy can survive, you know. Yeah.

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See I come up with that fryblong. The sandwich the other day,
I got Kenny because I made meone, but I had bacon,
lettuce, tomato and pickles on it. And it's actually pretty durn good.
I'm gonna tell you something that Iseen the sandwich and you posted it,
and when you did, and Iwas sitting there kicking myself, I wanted
once a bath. If I knewby the time I got there, you've

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probably been sold out. Yeah.I saw that post of you that you
had with that big burger that youthat was good. Who does a cooking
down there, Miss Sharon. Shedoes the cooking most of the time.
But yeah, big Mama's whatever theycall big Mama, Big Mama can cook
too. Boy. I'm gonna tellyou that right now. If you have
you if you've never been to Mo's, you need to go check it out

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and go go down there and getyou some ribs or barbecue sandwich or fish
sandwich or anything on the menu.You're gonna love eating at most. Trust
me, I ain't had nothing badyet, not yet. Potato salad.
Everything's made me And that potato saladlast time I was down there, I
had some of that that was ohgood, boy. It's like on Mama's

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potato salad back in the day,you know, and the slough, the
slough on a hot dog. Youcan't go wrong the stopping. I'm getting
sausage dogs. Man, forget aboutit. I'm telling you, man,
you gotta go to mose on ninetyeight. Ye, go to mos On
ninety eight. Just take a ridethis weekend. You ain't got nothing to
do anyway, Get in the car, take the family down there and go

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enjoy the outdoors and just go buymose and get you something and go down
to the ramp there at Manialet andsee the river they are. Yeah,
they're gonna be humping this weekend.For sure. It's gonna be busy.
It's gonna be a real busy weekend. There's a lot of people coming from
Georgia fishing and stuff and just gettingaway from town for the It's a four
day weekends, so yeah, they'llbe down there till Sunday anyway. But

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the thing about it is they canbe slam busy. I've been down there
during the there in the turkey,the youth turkey hunt. And I was
down there during the youth squirrel hunting. Though that was something to behold right
there. I've never seen so manytree rats in my life. But no
matter how busy they get, thequality of the food remains the same,
and you don't have to wait ahalf a day to get it. And
we're always you know, we're human, so we are gonna make mistakes,

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but we are good about making itright too. I mean, somebody's always
gonna make a mistake, I think, no doubt. If if you say
you don't, you'll lie. I'vebeen to a lot of restaurants and said
that, you know what I mean. So what he means is he hopes
you like pickles on your burger,regardless piles on yours. Nobody if you
get pickles, he don't care.He don't care. Now what are y'all

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open? Watch this? Your open? Seven days a week? Or six
days a week? Yeah, sevendays a week, you know, Monday
and Tuesday and Wednesday we close downat two sixty two. Our barbecue starts
on Thursdays and up until seven atnight from Thursday on Sunday we close back
at two. Okay, Thursday,Friday and Saturday, working until seven o'clock.

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That meat foals off the bone onthem ribs. Now, well I'm
just tell you the ribs, Tanner, I thought he was sick. He
usually gets one on the way down. We didn't have time on the old
bacon cheeseburger, Big Mama, doit just right for you rather, And
Man, I'm telling you that ladyknows how to throw down on some great

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cooking. If I lived at theriver, i'd look like Joe oh Man
flotation devices. I don't know.I think that that jocker eats all the
time. He ain't getting that biggerthan me. He ain't. I already
had that conversation with him. He'sjust slim for life. You know.
That's what it is. If thewind gets over twenty, he's got a
cancelst tits because he might get blowedaway. I'll tell you what I thought

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about that one. When he wasdriving that airboat, I was like,
Lord, hang on, yeah,he's gonna make his cage wire a little
bit smaller. All right, Tanner, you can cut back at me,
all right. You ain't got nothingto say. No, you still just
ugly. Lord, here we are, man. But no, Man,

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I'm excited about this weekend. Theweather. The weather's gonna be great.
It is gonna be hot. ButI'm ready to be out on that water.
Yeah, have you ever talked?Have you'all already talked about what you're
doing this weekend? Yeah? Ihad to stuff out for Yeah. Yeah,
we came. We talked about thesandwiches and stuff, and we ain't
gonna be doing much fishing, butwe're gonna be uh selling food out there

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on the water and uh having goodmusic playing and a couple of artists are
gonna be playing. So it's gonnawork out pretty great. It's gonna be
a good thing. Then Captain tiredtalk about his adventure tomorrow morning. No,
he ain't say nothing. Oh,he ain't saying nothing about it.
Hunh. He probably didn't want towant nobody to know that y'all was going
fishing. It's probably what it was. We're going to lake Town, We're

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going to Lake Talquin and and we'regoing fly fish. He's never but I've
been fly fishing for close to thirtyyears. And I told, well,
you know that they have trained monkeysto do it, so and uh,
I think I might have made thevideo for that one. But the fly
fishing ain't as hard as a lotof people think it is. It's just

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once you get set and your linesout there. It's just you know,
get it out there. The bluegills and bass will do the rest.
You ain't gotta worry about it.So who's gonna catch the most fish?
Paul, if you ain't never flyfish, No, it'll probably be Paul.
I. Most of the time youtake people that never done it before,
Aaron, they get more hits inthe Carter's got pools. Ah's going
to be like me with a cast. Now he's gonna be wrapped up in

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it. Looked like Steve Orkle tryingto get out. Man's That's the great
thing about being on that lake.Now being in the river is a different
story. Sorry, we ain't goingin the river because there's some tight quarters.
But I love I love to riverfish like that where I can roll
casts, a little short cast.Good times, really good times, and
you can get into it cheap andit's fun. You know. One of

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the best times I've had, Iwill say, I went up North Carolina,
went to rainbow and brown trout,and I've been up in Pennsylvania,
Kentucky, up in the northern Pennsylvania, around New York and everything, and
I've really learned to love it.I mean, this is so relaxing to
me, and laid back type offishing. It's not the adrenaline pushed fishing

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that we normally get with red fishingand trout and everything else. This is
laid back, you know, tryingto be patient to give that popper or
that whatever you're using streamer or whatevertime in the water to actually work.
You know, now you need tobe honest with these people. It's cause
it's kind of like turkey hunt.You say that all the time like a
liar, or you said it's cheapto get into it. It is cheap

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to get into, to get into, but once you get hooked, he
gets that spencer. I time myown stuff right now. I got you
know, I got advice at thehouse. I learned, you know,
just from watching videos and a friendof mine teach me a couple of things.
And I mean, it's, uh, for me, it's it's it's
a hobby. I mean, youknow, it's fun going all over the

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country and and everything is something Ienjoyed doing. But uh, you can
you can spend a little money onanything when you get into fishing. You
tuldn't even talk about that with fishing. That's so most sinful to talk about
the cost of fishing. Well,I mean, everybody's wives right now is
listening. Probably I'm gonna go homeand hit your husband about this. Those
same wives are probably paying the billsat the end of the month, I

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mean, mind us. And alsothey know what the boat payment is,
they know how much gas is beingspent. Sometimes I think she dislikes me
being out of the house. Y'all. Ever have people coming down and y'all
take them fly fishing out on theflaps? Do I do that? I've
never took nobody fly fishing, Butthere's a lot of guys that dosh the
tarping with fly flies. Yeah.Jay Carson is a big guy out of

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our area does a lot of tarpingfly fishing. And Evan snows how did
they catch tarp especially a big onewith a fly right the right kind of
rock And you see them rolling thewater still and you just cast in there
you got breaking your line and stuff, and it's a dance. And a

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lot of people fly fish for tarping, but only a few actually catch them.
A lot of hookups happen, butthey don't ever get the fish to
the boat. But if you canhook up and get a jump or two.
Man. That's that's that's enough rightthere, because normally these fish are
pushing eighty to well over one hundredpounds and they're in migration mode. They're

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coming by and they just they sitand they wait for them and all.
So you gotta have patients of jobout there, right well, Hey,
tell people how they can get holdover real quick. Brother. Yeah,
you can find me on Facebook atSwift Creek Outfitters or on Instagram at Swift
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