The Big Bend Outdoors Show 06.22.24

This is the Big Bend Outdoors Show with Joel Baldree

Original Airdate 06.22.24

Today's guests include: Captain Paul Tyre, Captain Pat McGriff, and special guest host Captain Kenny Mullins.

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Episode Transcript

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This is the Big Bend Outdoor Showwith Joel Baldry. Today's guest include Captain
Paul Tyre, Captain Patt McGriff.Here's your special guest host, Captain Kenny
Mullins. All right, good morningeveryone, welcome to the Big Bend Outdoor
Show with Joel Baldry, which isnot here today. I am Captain Kenny
Mullins. We have Captain Paul Tyreand today's guest Captain Pat McGriff. All

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right, good morning, good morning. How are you guys doing. I'm
doing great, outstanding, outstanding.So as you meet mister McGriff here,
this is gonna be awesome. Ohyeah. So we're gonna get started today
with the tides. So today Saturdaymorning, we have a low at nine
am which is a one point seventysix and a high at two thirty seven

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pm at three point eight three.The next low is at ten thirty eight
pm at a negative point thirty nine. So the afternoon is a ton of
water movement. And then tomorrow TomorrowSunday, June twenty third, is a
low at nine forty am high atthree twenty two pm, and that low
is a one point six to twowith a three point nine to nine high

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and then a low at eleven seventeenPM at a negative point four. So
with that said, if I wasgoing out there fishing myself, I'm going
to fish that afternoon falling tide withall that water movement and dodge all the
crowds and dodge the crowd Yeah yeah, coming on a Friday, second second

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week of a scholar season, that'sa plan. Oh yeah yeah. And
uh so the wind forecast is blowinga file slick, as my buddy Billy
Pilly used to say. Yeah,yeah, there's there's not much wink man
it is in blowing this week.God, I hope it's stirring the water
up. I asked my question toask you'll salt water guides too. I

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gotta go ahead, go ahead.I noticed this week with this wrong east
wind, the bite has been brutallyslow up there on like Simonoult. Does
y'all find that to be true?On salt order? Is it not really
affect? I want the l Iwant the winds any okay, Yeah,
I'm a I'm a no matter ifit's whatever direction. I'm superstitious about W

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I say W I N D AndI always spell it out when I write
or say W I N D becauseI'm substitious, because I'm Irish and uh,
but yeah, the breeze provides severalthings for us. Kenny and I
are basically tuck a trout guides,right, I mean we're salt order fit
guides. But we you know,he would say he's a red fish guide.
He prefers it. But you can'thave but one red you can have

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five trout. What are we doing? You know? You know how long
is it gonna take to get theone run redfish? So if we're trying
to limit out and impress some clientnew or repeat, we're after five trout
and trout are covered in spots fora reason. What is it camouflag cammelage
and camouflage means there what they're hiding? Right, And what's the state of

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mind of someone that's hiding there?What m hm scared? Scared? Okay,
So if they're scared, then whatare they not doing? They're not
moving about, that's right. Ifyou're hiding your stationary, you're not mobile.
So if the wind is blowing,it's bringing the food to the fish.
So the fish is by default ofthe fact that of more water movement,
going to feed more often, andit's easier for him to feed,

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and he can feed for a longerperiod because of the dissolved oction he's getting
through that aeration of that high windforce. And the bigger the trout there
more likely he is to feed.So we know that there's a better opportunity
for larger fish, more fish,and the bite's going to last longer.
All three of those are a plusfor us. Same thanks, simihear in
freshwater fishing too, for sure,but it just seems like on an east

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wind, it's just so much likeyou're saying that they're stationary. I pulled
up on a on a couple ofbig bass that were sitting on a brim
bed and they were nose and noseand I had to bump them with the
troller motor. Where they moved Well, wow, not moving around, just
sitting there on the bottom. Right, That was Paul. Just give you
a little background about Pat. Patstarted out in the fresh water. Yes,

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yeah, I know, I'm sittingaround wisdoms. This is the privileged
to be here talking, mister martThat's awesome. Well, well, and
now back to your question of direction. If I can address that quickly.
If we have an incoming tide,it's Jack and Jill went up to hill
patch Bala water Jack Faill downsfielt thewater which way to go downhill? Okay,

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So our hill is to the northeastof our coast. We will fish
out of Keaton Beach. So inthe Big Bend, the water goes in
from southwest to northeast and it goesout from northeast to southwest. So if
we have a wind with any southprescription in it, we're getting an assist
with the incoming tide. If we'refishing that tide, if your wind is
opposing your direction of tide, thetidal current, then you're going to lose

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all oxygen. Yeah, you notcatch as many fish. So the direction
is important. But if it's blowingfifteen to twenty, it overrides the current
and becomes the preferable direction and wecan get fish. It's what hurts us
is if we got ten to twelvenortheast now it nullifies the motion of the

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incoming tide and we end up withslack water. It's like fishing right the
whole time, right, and thething is depending on that wind direction and
the current, the current flow is. It depends on where we're going to
fish, how we're going to stage, or how the fish is going to
stage for us to fish them.So we may be on a flat today,

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we may be fishing the northwest cornerof that flat, you know,
where it drops off into a troughor something where the next day the wind
shifts, the current change we're fishingthe southwest corner or southeast corner. Just
like you're changing your techniques. Ifthey're pulling water. If they're pulling water,
you're gonna fish. You're gonna getout on the ledges, you're gonna
get out on the points, andif they're not, your back in the
creeks and fishing, et cetera.So yeah, it changes it stages where

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those fish are going to, wherethe bait's gonna come to them, and
and how that bite's going to performon that current. That answer, oh
yeah, that was good. Yeah. So you know, and that's the
thing. There's there's a lot moreto it than people realizes. You know,
your average person just goes out thereand they get on the boat and
they catch fish when it's easy.You know, this is the stuff that

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we have to know and study andas a god to keep people on fish.
That's right, you know. Andand there's there's days we get it
wrong, that's for sure. Imean, Pat and I was talking about
on the way on the way here. You know, we've we've had a
big change in our fishery with thestorms. Idelia was probably the biggest culprit.
I agree, Yeah, I honestlybelieve that it had more effect uh

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than than Ian. And the reasonI think was Ian was so far away.
The water flushed. We got thisthis shift of water, but we
didn't have that wind moving that waterfor that extended period of time that we
did under idea. And so thattwist or turn or spin of that frontal
system, which is what a hurricaneis, is just a huge funnel funnel.

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The cyclone Excuse me, I couldn'tget the word cyclone out. I
think it moved the water, andit shifted fish, and it especially moved
a lot of bait for us anda lot of you know, since then,
it's been difficult, Kennyan. It'slike it's like waking up and you're
somewhere else. We're having to rediscoverand re uh define where we need to

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be well, you know, speakingof waking up and you're somewhere else.
We were catching bone fish after Itell you, I thought that was Ian.
I'm sorry, Yeah, Ian movedif it moves a bone fish to
the big Ben, which was Iknow that for a fact because I got
a Texas I've still got it onmy phone. One was called an Econfina.
One was caught at Keaton, whichis the one on my phone,

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and one in stein Hatchie. That'seight hundred miles that fish was redistributed.
Now, the question is how manyof our trout and redfish were redistributed south.
We just don't know, and wenever will. But that's how extraordinarily
nature can change, you know,just Spain. Well, did y'all notice
anything with Hurricane Michael? Uh No, it was pretty much far enough away

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from us. We didn't get thatuh that evacuation tide that that we talk
about. Well, how's your fishing, Ben? It's the last few days
has been slow, but it's reallythis time of year, it's really been
hit and miss. Some days yougo out there and that you're just really
tearing it up. Then, whenlike I said, with this with this
east wind, it really slowed down. I had to go to throwing something

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that was very small, very slow, hardly moving it, working it very
slow to get bit. Any bassfishing now, and what were you throwing?
Plastic worms? Ten inch worms?You know, we were talking about
moving it. We were talking this. I told Pat, I said,
you know, when I have bassfish, all I throw is plastic worm.
Everyone the worm is probably caught warfish. Any you know, I

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wonder and in the saltwater and troutfishing, would y'all say a plastic paddle
tail on a jig head has caughtmore artificial not like right right are top
waters. If you had to choosebetween the two to get the most consistent
bite, would it be plastic orhard baits? Hard baits, Yeah,
it would be plastic plastic, samewing. You know, it depends obviously,

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it depends on the time of year, but overall you're going to you're
gonna catch more fish on a softplastic year round than you will hard baits
for the average person. Well,the tackle industry always says that the number
one selling bait for salt water UHfor the whole coast of the United States
is a four inch soft plastic whetherit's a paddle tail or not. And

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that's just and that's on speckled trout, definitely. They say it's a four
inch paddle tail on speckled trout,mostly because that's the easiest and cheapest thing
that the average tourists can do allthe way up to the professional. But
Kenny and I can tell you wecan fish that bait with a different weight
jighead from one foot to twelve feetof water and catch fish. So yes,

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and and two we have floating grassthis time of you. You can't
throw it, you guys can't.You can't use it now. Now,
I love the top water bike,you know, don't get me wrong.
And that's when it's when the topwater byite is on, I'm gonna throw
it. Yeah, because I towthe customer. You know. One one
big old explosion from a bass ona top water base where it's four or
five on alarm. Oh, theyall must be calling you, Paul,

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Captain Paul forgot to turn his phoneoff. But yeah, it's it's hard
to be the top water blow up. Yeah it is. I had some
guys that that uh that were thatI had this this week, and I
say, guys, we can gothrow worms and probably get several bikes,
and we go throw some top water. Might not get as many bikes,
but it'll be explosive and go theygo. We'll go throw top water.

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And ended up getting three blow upsand two of them were really big ones,
and we caught one of them,you know, but it was,
like I said, it was kindof slow that day. So let me
ask you, if you had tochoose one lure the fish the rest of
your life, what would you choosefor fresh water? For best worm worm?
For sure? If I had tojust choose one, Well, now

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you're gonna have to tell us who'syou can't you can't miss this opportunity to
market something for somebody. Well,I tell you one of the one of
the worms that I think catches themost fish is a sinko stick worm.
No, no curly tail to it, just a regular A yum makes one
a five inch youm dinger. Youthrow that thing out. Motive, motive

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makes it Originally all came from him, which I think out of out of
the hundreds of personal best I've hadover the last five years, about eighty
percent of it has been on worms. Yeah, the average person throwing wacky
style. Are you going to regularTexas Texas? I actually throw it with
a it's a wacky way, butit's Texas rig and it really produces fish.

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We're going to have to take abreak here and we'll get back to
this in just a few all right, guys, welcome back to the Big
Ben Outdoors Show. So before weleft, we were talking about your Texas
rig and wacky rigs and all that. Yeah, is there a color you

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prefer? That's what I was That'swhat I was going to ask. You
give me, give me a color. Only get one, you know,
only one. I have to giveyou one, Only one one. We'll
make it simple, green pumpkin.That's a good choice. But there,
you know, it's a fisher biting. I don't think it matters what color
you're throwing. It doesn't. Ifthere you know, I kind of like,

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I kind of like to kind ofmatch the hatch. But if the
water is clear, I want somethingthat's more translucent that kind of blends in
with the bottom. If it's dirty, I want something darker. Well,
for years I did the shows,the Big Rock Shows, which it was
Henry's at one time, did itfor over twenty five years for precision tackle
to make her cage and thunder aroundwearing his hat today? Are right?

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Anyway? Yeah, well, youknow, I got a great face for
radio, and so it doesn't reallymatter what color, what kind I have.
I got done. I thought thatsomeone used to tell them you got
a great face for radio. PathBut anyway, that the number one.
I used to go by the zoomthe zoom worm booth, and then I
ask him every year, what's thenumber one sella? What's the number one
sella? It's the number one sellar. It's a trick. And no,

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it's watermelon. It's watermelon, redwatermelon, red watermelon, reds awfully good
in salt water too, Is itreally? Yes? And I think I
think it's the red. I thinkit's the old green you know, the
laser light with the cat trick.I think the fish just can't stand seeing
that red light coming off that redgit or in that worm. And I
think the green worm literally disappears andit tricks the fish into not being able.

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Now I see it now, Idon't you know in fresh water,
but you know it's a clear waterpond. Colors what it is because more
people are fishing in clear water pondsthan any other condition and in the state,
in the United States or in thecountry. So yeah, but the
watermelon watermelon, green is real good. Red is real good for us.
But I would have to agree withyou green pumpkin. I used to spotted
bass fish and that was well,man, when they came out with that,

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it was like we forgot every othercolor. You know, you just
really good. That is really clear, like you was saying it. It
kind of tricks, so they kindof lose, that's sure what they're looking
at. You know. I grewup fishing more of the central Florida ponds
and lakes with bass fishing. WhenI bass fish, I primarily salt water
fishing with my whole life. Probablymy favorite growing up was the seven and

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a half inch culprit red red allthat you know well that that Louisiana half
salt shell assassin bills is one oftheir top cellars as far as Florida worm,
you know, as far as Floridacolor. But I used to I
fish with a man that was Iwas in the roofing business. He was
one of my roofers and he wasa foreman and Dennis Dukes. And Dennis

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used to say, heck, useany color you want, anybody's whatever,
as long as a man six inblue jelly worm, he said, just
using it, as long as this. And when I went to uh to
Lake Jackson back in the early eighties, we fished all day with the shiners
and the guide was throwing a sliderand he caught to a three trial.
We had a excuse me bass.We hadn't had a bite all day and

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he had kept us out there threeextra hours. And I finally said,
well this, I got nothing tolose. We're not gonna catch a fish.
I said, do you have anywherewhere I could bounce a warm and
actually feel some structure instead of watchingthis, you know, cork cork with
a shiner under it? Because Ihad had a we had had a bite
in ten hours, and so hesaid sure, and it was like that
ACKed like he's a little upmiffed forme asking. And we went over to
this and it was the state's PVC. It said obstruction or whatever they put,

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you know, fish attractor. AndI threw a man's blue six inch
jelly worm for Dennis caught an eighteight pound twelve ounce the only bite I
had told you to get the netbefore set the hook. When he when
the fish hit it, I knewit was a big fish. And he
said, you hadn't even I said, get the net and I added a
couple of words in. But anyway, that that that blue worm still hanging

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out of that fish I had mountedthat I caught in Lake Jackson. Yeah.
I grew up on Lake Jackson.And man, I tell you what,
there's vague. When I went upto Lake Simonon met Jack Wingkett and
he said, boa we don't useshiners on this Like, I said,
really, they don't. All theseguides up here just lure fish. He
said, yep. I said,oh boy, I'm done because all I
did was shiner fish on jack Man. I tell you what I asked him.

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I said, mister Jay, yousaid they wouldn't eat no shiners.
About ten years later because I triedit and it's too easy, and he
goes, He goes, uh,I just didn't want to sell him.
Son O, my god. Sowe just lure fish up there, and
a lot of it. I finda lot of people on call. They
asked about is this live bait fishingor we lure fishing? And I'm some
where this is only lure fishing,and they really they really like that.

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Yeah, I mean, I Ithrow mostly lure this time of the year.
It's it's hard to it's hard notto use pinfish, you know,
and and and depending on the clienttele as you know, some people and
you know this as a guide,some people that you just can't do anything
to get them to do it right. Yeah, I mean, so that's

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that's one thing we we uh,Pat and I we have a mutual friend
who just he's an excellent fisherman,probably one of the one of the top
fishermen in the Big ben And hegot his captain's license and he started out
struggling. He called me like,you know, my last three trips,
my clients haven't caught fish. He'sexcellent fisherman, but that's when he's in

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control of the rod. So he'shaving to learn how to how to adapt
and get these people to catch fish. Yeah. That's one thing you know,
I learned at a you know,pretty young age when when people are
paying you to take them fishing,and your job is to teach them how
to fish. Not give them afish, but teach them something, teach

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them how to how to work thatworm correctly or that bait correctly, and
some people get it faster than others, and it takes patients, especially when
you're working with young kids. Itdefinitely takes patients. But you know,
I've just been so blessed and fortunateabout over the last five years to have
all these personal best baths. Andevery one of them was on a lure.

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And they call that fish right,they made that fish bite, you
know what I mean. I gotthem in the area. But it's different
than this throwing a shiner like youwere saying, is watching a cork.
My first customer had called a fourteenhalf pounder, and I'm more proud of
the one of these people calling luresthan that fourteen. I just threw the
shiner out and said, let's justwait and watch. So last week I

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had a man and his son onthe boat and they wanted to catch red
fish. We started out red fishingand we got into some well his dad
hooked up. We're throwing a goldspoon, and his dad hooked up and handed
him the rodney. Really he wasexcited. Well then we look up and
there's a school of about thirty fortyred fish coming right to the boat and

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the six year old boy spotted himand he made a perfect cast right in
front of the school. You know, didn't spook him, started reeling that
spoon. Actually know that that timehe switched. He was throwing a chatterbait
cast right in front of the school, started reeling perfectly, and you saw
those fish just fighting to get toit. I mean they were just they

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were exploding on it. And heended up reeling in a twenty six inch
red by himself. That's all youtalk about excitement that that boy was smiles
and yeah, you get a kidhooked on that man or done, they
won't get it. They won't getinvolved in the wrong stuff. You get
them hooked on any outdoors, hunting, fishing, it's just a great thing.

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Well, I have a question forboth of you, and maybe some
of the listeners would like to knowthis. Would how would you recommend someone
choosing a guide? Because there's youyou google, or you look on social
media, there are a bunch ofguides. How do you recommend someone choose
a god? Well, first ofall, they've got to be ready.

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I mean they've got to be readyto volunteer how they want, how they
want to fish or or they gotto be honest with us as the guides,
how good a fishermen they are.So they need to be choosing according
to their skill level. So theyneed to look at me to be honest
with themselves. Yes, they needto be honest with themselves about their their
abilities or their their their how gooda fishermen they are. And then they

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need to look at the and seewhat the guide puts up front. What's
the first thing that the that yourwebsite says, or what's the first thing
out of my mouth or the God'smouth that when you when you ask them
a question, you've got to beprepared to ask the questions if they're really
looking for God, or they justtrying to look for a trip, or
whether they're looking for someone to teachthem something. Most of my clients do

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not realize that what Paul just said, a good guide is it is a
teacher, right, And they don'tknow that they're going to be a pupil.
And so when what they've got tobe is open minded enough to be
that pupil when they get here orget to our boats, or they're in
the trip. So it's very hardfor me to answer the question except to

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say give me, you know,ask the question are we going to be
fishing with live or artificial? We'regonna be using spinning tackle or bait casting.
I get that question just about asmuch as any because my South Georgia
clientel, which is the same asyours. I'm sure Paul, there's zeb
COO, there're zepkites, you know, they grew up with, and they
may be fishing yesterday with the zepCo thirty three. Before you get the

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bastards and don't want to use abait casting right and they say, well
I can throw this so and so, and I go, well, here's
the thing I can teach you ifyour mind is open to outfish yourself what
you did yesterday with this spinning rod, and it's the ease of it.
You can look at it and seeif something's wrong, and it's very simple.
But you have to have that thatopen minded person. Now, when

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I get clients that go, I'venever fished with one of these before,
you go okay, well, letme show you how easy it is.
And you've got to be ready withthat answer because if they if they think
they're a challenge from the time theyget on the boat they will be.
That's one of the things I've learnedis to say, well, this is
real simple, and then I'll doit. I get down on my knees

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in my boat, put my armon my gunnel, and make a cast
with one finger with a spinning rodand throw it at sixty feet. I
said, now, if I cando that, I know you can throw
it that far standing up using yourwhole hand, right, and that it
may be a challenge. But whatthat does is say this really is easy.
All you got to do is findthe timing of it. So but

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hiring the guide, I go toPaul, what do you think, Well,
let me ask you this. Youknow you kind of touched on,
but let me actually let me backup. Go ahead, Paul. Well,
what he's saying, it's I haveto I get different types of people
who that's really never fish before,just want to get out and experience it.
And then you have to teach themhow to cast. And you get
people that think they know what theyneed to do, and so they got

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their favorite rod and the take andthe technique that we're using. That's not
the best tool for the job.And then you have to that's right,
you have to let them cast andgo hey, and you go, man,
you're not quite casting far enough rightnow. You got to you got
to make it a long cast andyour bait casters letting your bait fall down

(23:29):
properly. So watch this and youthrow you're spinning rod and you just look
at it and goes sixty seventy feetand then you let the way the bait.
You let the line fall off thespool and light and the bait falls
and you catch a fish and youhandle the rod and you go set the
hook and they go, WHOA,maybe I need to make a change.
Then you have to teach them howto fish spinner off or used to it.
And that's one thing I heard.How how does a person know which

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guide to choose that's going to teachthem properly. Yeah, that's that's a
good question. Now, I mean, how you gonna how you gonna you
know, it's almost like the luckof the draw. But I know when
someone calls me, it's all aboutI have a series of questions. Let's
let's hold that thought and we're goingto get back to this when we come
back from great All right, y'all, welcome back to the Big ben outdoor

(24:19):
show, and we're going to getback to talking about how to choose a
guide. And where I was leadingwith this is there's a lot of people
out there that just goes to Googleor social media Facebook, Instagram, you
know, now TikTok YouTube, andyou know, they want to they see
all this stuff and they want totry to choose a guide to catch their

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fish that they want to maybe they'reafter redfish or their after trout, or
after a bass and crappy. Butwhere I was going with this is a
lot of people and I get thisquestion a lot. How do I choose
a guide? Well, I telleveryone, first thing, social media can
be very misleading. We all knowthis, you know, especially some of
the camera angles and you know,making the fish look bigger. We've all

(25:04):
done it, you know. Butat during the break, I think you
said it perfectly, Paul. Callthese guides, talk to them and listen
to what they have to say.Like you said, a guy called you
wanted to go crappie fishing. Wellit wasn't the best time for crappy and
you were upfront and honest. Wellthen you call the next person and oh

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yeah, yeah, I can getyou a record a record croppy the best
of your life, right, Well, that should send up a red flag.
You know. Here you got oneguy saying, hey, it's not
the right time. No guide isgoing to tell you that it's not the
right time because they don't want totake you fishing. They're going to tell
you that because they want to putyou on. Well, you know,
I tell people, you know,I'm not going to prostitute myself to make

(25:47):
a buck. My character is moreimportant than money. And I could use
your money. I could use it. I could use the income. But
I have to tell you the truth, and I you know, I'll get
I've had numerous I can't count howmany people are like I've never had a
guide tell me that. Well,you call me when time's writ in this
book two days, you know whatI mean. It's just it's just,
you know, I try to livea faith filled life and I want to

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tell I want people to treat meas I want to. You know what
I mean. You know, Isaid that's the way I live. And
it's been. The Lords has reallyblessed me in this opportunity. It's like
I got duck hunts as well.And people ask me all the time when's
the best time to come. Well, the best time comes when the ducks
are here. So the best thingyou can do is call me, right
or give me your number and I'llcall you when they're here. Because I
can't control the migration, right,just like we can't control the migration of

(26:34):
bait. We're having a bait issueright now. You know we can't control
that. Well, people people askme all the time, Hey, how's
the bite. Well, it's summertime. It's hit or miss. Well,
and that's why it is for thebasket. We're going to catch fish,
that's right. You know I can't. I can't promise you a limit.
Are we catching limits right now?Sure? Yep, but you might catch

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on the limit today and not tomorrow. Well, my last trip, I
think you two trips ago, wefished three and a half hours without a
keeper and then we caught in anhour and a half. We had seventeen
keepers and could only keep ten ofthem. So we've got a great bite
when it's on, and when it'snot, it's like, are you what
are you selling? I do asix hour trips out of eight because our
tides are six hours. Well,you know, I'm like you I'm honest.

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I say, look, we're noton catch fish at the last of
the fall. We're not on catchfish here. You know, by the
book, the odds are I'm gonnaplay the odds and the house odds.
I'm going to set up the youknow, the dice so we should win.
You know, I'm not just outthere because it's seven am and then
at three. Right, A lotof people fish that way. I just
don't fish that way, and alot of trips I get is I work

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with you know this high school andfishing is becoming bass fish has become real
popular, and I'll have parents bringwith their kids and I'm teaching them techniques.
Is I didn't bouy how many fishwe catch. It's about getting funly
sound, that's right. And there'sa big difference there. Yeah, so
you know you hit on that withthe tides and you know, Pat,
I used to offer an eight hourtrips removed that from my from my office

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since you met me. Honestly,it's gotten summertime. I don't want to
be out there eight hours. Butno, the way that I am,
I'm not a clockwatcher. You know, neither am I understand? Do do
I offer a four hour trip,yes, And the reason why is because
some people just want to get outthere and get back. They all they
have is a short window. Soeven with the four hours, I'm not

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just gonna take someone out there ona slack tide unless they don't have another
choice. And even then, I'mgonna tell them we're red fishing because the
trout just try it, don't gonnaeat. But that's the thing. I'm
like you, Pat, my wholelife. I stress it. You got
to fish the tides, and Ibreak it down, you know, and

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I've done it many times. Ibreak it. I even show the people
when they get on my boat,because like you said, it's all about
teaching. I'll pull out the tidechart on my on my lorents and I
show them the tide curve. Isaid, Okay, we're gonna dissect this.
This curve into thirds. The firstthird and the last third is going
to be an optimal red fish bite. And why is it going to be

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an optal red fish BikeE Because that'swhen I'm trging redfish because the trout aren't
eating then as good, that middlethird is your best window for a trout
bite. And the same thing goesfor snook. You if you're snook fishing,
which you know here in the BigBend we're starting to see more snook.
But you go, you go towardsthe southern part of the Big Bend

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into now South Horseshoe Beach swany cedarkey snooker prevalent, But you have to
fish that highest water movement. Samething with trout. So if you dissect
that tide curve into thirds, youknow you can plan your trip this way.
I don't care if it's ninety eightdegrees outside the fish. You're gonna

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eat when that water's moving. Yeah, you know, Pat, what was
your bite the other day? Oneone in the afternoon, three to five,
the last two hours of the time, which we have six hour tides.
That's your third theory. And likeI said, I'm more interested in
where the water is, how muchwater is over their heads. I look
at the numbers over there. Ifyou look at your chart on the flow
chart, it matters how much wateris over that fish's head. I call

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it the security market. If Iasked my clients, I said, what
do you sleep under a sheet?A sheet and a spread or a sheet
of spread in a blanket, andthey look at me like I'm nuts because
we're fishing, and I say asheet and I said, well then you're
a bonefish. We don't have anygo away. I said, that's one
foot of water. I said,two feet of water over their heads.
A red fish. I said,now three feet of water over their heads.
That's a trout. And I said, if you take that fish and

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he has three feet of water overhis head, he will feed because his
comfort zone is about not being eaten, and he'll move about. A red
fish is perfectly happy with two feetof water over his head. I don't
mean over the bottom necessarily, butover his head where he is in the
water. But you get a redfish up in a foot of water,
you've only got certain and certain timesand certain amount of light and certain lures

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that will catch them. And it'sway too glorified. So play the one
two three rule. Look at yourchart and if you says one foot over
tide, two foot whatever, andyou go out there and you hit that
amount of water, I'm looking forfor one foot minimum of the tide water
having come in, and two feetto plus from two feet of water up
to whatever the high is. That'sthe that's the premium trout time. And

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I'm glad you mentioned that because ifyou if you think back when I when
we opened up this show, Italked about tides and I said, the
low is a one point seven sixand the height is a three point eighty
three. Right, you know,to right that gives you your your watermelon.
Well, if you dissect that curve, where where do you fall into?

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So you you've got two point onefeet of water, So the fish
fishould be more active at that time, right, And it is that when
it has it's high and now it'sstarting to fall. Well, and it
doesn't matter if it's outgoing or incoming. You want you need the water movement,
you know, the the incoming andoutgoing is gonna gonna dictate where you
fish. Now this especially this timeof year you're going your it will make

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a difference or it can make adifference as to incoming outcoming more so than
wintertime or late fall early spring.You know, we talk about it all.
Pat and I talk all the time. Hey, what what tide was
it? The rise or the fallthat they were eating? Because this time
of year, like we were talkingabout, we're seeing a difference in bait.
We don't have the bait that wenormally have right now. We haven't

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had it in two years. Lastyear we had more than this year.
So it's we're constantly having to adapt. You know, last year we were
very fortunate that we lucked up onsome fish. I say, looked up.
We were bouncing around, bounce aroundit and I got into some fish
and I call it pat. I'mlike, hey, I'm on them.
And we rode that wave from whatmid June eight nine, yeah, yeah,

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all the way to end of firstof September day, right, So
what happened last year? You know, we had a lot of rain that
the water was black, I meanblack black for months and in the area
that we liked to fish right upthe coast. And then once it once
it stayed there, we kept havingrain and having southwest prevalent wind pins it

(33:23):
against the shore and it wiped thegrass out. And I'm sorry, did
in RUTCHI ken, You're good,go ahead. But anyway, we caught
fish there by default of them movingand eggs getting away from water, like
earfish in fresh water get away fromthat muddy water. And you think they're
not moving, Yeah, they'll moveif they're hungry enough if they don't get
anything to eat and they can't findthe food. So we changed our fishery

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because of it. Now all thewhere all those fish left, we can't
catch a fish because we caught themlast year. Also because they moved literally
from that area, because there's nograss. It wiped the grass out.
If you don't have sunlight, youdon't have you don't have photo census,
and you don't have green emerging grains. That's the one thing about Lake Seminole
this year. We have all thisrain we've got above us, and Lake

(34:08):
stayed money. It's it's not thegrass is not near as healthy as it
should be right now. Yeah,and it and here's the thing, it's
going to take uh probably probably,well we might start seeing some grass two
or three years. That's what Iwas gonna say. But what we what
we were doing because we were allstruggling, you know, because we were

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out of our out of our element. It was gone. There was no
fish there. You couldn't you couldn'tsee six inches under the water. And
so both of us started searching aroundtrying to find fish. And and what
I did is I said, Okay, this water is dark, Let's keep
moving, moving, moving moving,And I I was heading towards clear water
and then hit a line and allthe fish were there, I mean,

(34:52):
the red fish were there, right, And so what we're having this year,
all that all that area is clearclean, I mean, and the
grass is still there, but thefish aren't there. You know, you
might don't don't mean wrong, youmight pick some up here and there.
So we have had to go theopposite direction and find darker water, more

(35:14):
stained. But here's the thing.We've got the stain, but it's clear.
So that that's changing things up.It's changing the bait or the lures
that we normally use. So allof this, all this goes into play.
Well, where we were fishing thatlast year and where we're fishing at
this year is probably what four orfive miles where we're catching it was probably

(35:36):
what four or five miles at least, yeah, at least at least Yeah.
But and like I said, everyyear is different. But these storms
it's I ean and then idea,you have really thrown the you know,
thrown at everything. It's like it'slike throwing everything up in there and letting
it land back down and picked tryingto find it all again. So it
has been a real challenge for us. Yeah, all right, well we're

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gonna head to break and we willget back to this discussion and just a
few everyone, welcome back to theBig, Big Outdoors Show with Joel Baldry,
who is not here today. Himand Tanner are in Texas with catfish
Kenny learning how to catch catfish.Oh, they got some big flat heads

(36:21):
out there. I certainly hope hecome. Joel can come back and catch
a catfish. When he gets back, I hope he learns enough. Well,
well, here's the thing. Thefishing is not easy right now,
Joel's not fishing. Oh. Ihad to get him back because every time
I'm not here he talks jump.Okay, that's right, but no,
no, he's helping a friend out. Yeah, but we's some safe,

(36:45):
safe travels on the ways over thereand coming back to Oh, yeah for
sure. So I don't think he'llbe here next week. Either. But
uh, you know, personally,you talk me about this time of year,
it can be a grind. Ilike to grind personally. No,
I don't necessarily like it. WhenI'm gotten. People want to catch fish,
But for me personally, I likethe toughness getting out there and trying
to figure them out. And youknow, it makes you use all your

(37:07):
senses. You know. Now nowadayswe got this forward facing sonar and and
which is cool. I love it. It's a great tool. But it's
just a tool, you know.I say, I see people go out
there and that's all they do isstudy that thing and watch it and don't
make a cash they see a fishAnd it's not a gimme like people think.
No, of course it's it's thatanybody that says it is they haven't
never used it. But you know, the ability to use your senses,

(37:29):
your you know, your sight,your smell, your awareness of what's going
on. You know, you seea you see a fish flicker and you
know what I mean, gives youideas of clues of what's going on with
with a fish. But sometimes thoseclues are very hard to find. Oh
well, and that's what makes youreally pay attention. Yeah, to experience
some of that. The last coupleof days this week, and it's been
for myself. I haven't any trips, but man, I tell you,

(37:52):
what, what's your water, what'syour water temperature? Up there? Fresh
water fish start now, in themorning, it's eighty four eighty five and
getting up to eighty seven eighty eight. I wish we had that telling what
you told me about their scalloping,all right, So I took some folks
scollop and Saturday afternoon, and westarted out in some a little bit deeper
water, about six feet of waterwhere they were. They were fairly thick,

(38:14):
and they were struggling. They hadsome little kids, so they wanted
some shallow water sor right, well, I know where some are in the
shallows. And this was about fivesix o'clock in the evening. So I
go to this area and it's abouttwo and a half feet of water.
And I looked down and it saysit was ninety two point seven degrees surface

(38:35):
tenth and we're in two two anda half feet of water. They get
in the water and they were Theywere in there about maybe five minutes,
and the lady stood up. Shesaid, we have got to go somewhere
else. This water is way toohot. Ninety too. Is that a
dark bottom? No clear water?Yeah? Clear water, yeah, the

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clear water ninety two. Yeah.So and then and then or we're typically
trout fishing right now is about youknow, four and a half to six
six and a half feet of waterroughly, and the surface temperature. Now
keep that in mind. Surface temperatureis ninety degrees right now. Obviously when
you get down there to the bottom, it's cool. Yeah, that's why

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the fish are out there a littledeeper. That's right, you know.
But yeah, it's but without aprob we don't know how much yeah cooler
it is or what. Yeah,like Dell you say, you just take
a thermometer and pull them and puta weight on it and drop it down,
see what the temperature is, andand uh, you know, and
you can get jump. When youjump the water, you're as you're down
feeder down deeper, you feel cooler, you know, and it's filled with

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them fish. Yeah, I'd puta post on Facebook, you know,
talking about the you know, comecome enjoy. I forget how I worried
about something about you know, ifyou want to, if you want to,
come enjoy jumping in hot bath waterand the hunting some scalps and book
a trip, you know. Andit's but you know, I do enjoy

(39:59):
scylf to a degree. You know. It's not the funnest a guide because
you're sitting there watching people making surethey're staying safe. Family activity, and
it's something to do this time ofyear when it's blistering hot, you know.
But you were talking about it itbeing a challenge and you enjoy the
challenge. So I can't remember hislast week or the week before. I

(40:22):
was out fishing, and like Patwas saying, I went three three and
a half maybe four hours without akeeper fish. I'm like, what in
the world. I got live pinfishand I'm like, what in the world.
And I text another guy that I'veseen going out that morning, friend
of mine. I said, Hey, are you trout fishing? He said
no. I said, man,I don't have a trout in the box.

(40:43):
He said yeah. It's been likeit's been tough. And I am
quick to try some off the wall, oddball stuff that'll tell you. I
do some stuff that just I don'teven know why I do it, but
it works sometimes. So I said, I looked in I was going through
all my stuff, all right,I got to find something worse. Well,
I found a pack of white gulpswith pink tails, and so I

(41:09):
want to just try something real quick. The wintertime. I nose hook a
lot of soft plastics with no weight. Yeah. So I had everything set
up for live bait. I had, I had my corks, I had
a two and a half three footliter and just a regular jay hook,
live bait hook. And I said, you know what, I'm just gonna
nose hook this gulp throw it outthere. See what happens. We caught

(41:31):
a limit, ah, I mean, and it was it was quick,
yep. And I called Pat thatnight, I said, I said,
I went three and a half hourswithout a fish and I couldn't get them
to eat a pinfish. So Itold them what I did, and I
said, we put a limit inthe boat in about thirty five minutes.
Yeah, little a little adjustments,little tweaks like that. You know,

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it can make such a huge differenceon the water because you know, in
my mind, on Lake some ofit's so big. You got the Flint
River, that River, Arm andSpring Creek, so you got three different
ecosystems. And if there's a termof today, somebody is catching twenty pounds,
oh yeah, somebody is catching themalways, and so you just you
just have to keep all you needis the right drone. That's right,

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that's right, you know, andspeaking of that, we got this this
weekend's full moon. And man,I tell you the brim er bedding up
on Lake Seminole and and so thatthat you have in front of you right
now. Yeah, I got ah dal. I went fly fishing for
the first time with Dell two threeweeks ago on Lake Talqua. Never been
fly fishing before, okay. Andhe actually made his own popping court and

(42:38):
I got to catch I got tocatch me with some brim on that thing
and popping cork or popper. Itwas okay, I meant popper, popping
fly, popping fly. He'm actuallymade it from scratch, made his own
fly, and I actually got iton my talon hat. I got it
on my hat, but I caught. I caught my first big brim on
it. And I'm looking forward todoing this on Lake Simol because we got

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these flies. Can I tell youhow to do that? Oh? Please
do? Being a good old boyfrom Georgia, and we used to I
used to live in Clumbus, Georgia. We fished the Chattoochy arm oh fish
the lakes. Okay, well,this this was July fourth weekend coming up
right, Where would I go andup. I couldn't go to Lake u
Fall or to West Point or inthose major lakes because there were too many
people out there. So we'd goto goat Rock Pond, a very small

(43:22):
about nine miles of the river betweenthe two dams. And this is how
you do it. You carry oneplum, one plug rod. Okay,
you can throw a bait caster,right can, absolutely, sure, absolutely,
Now you throw throw the throw thethrow the plug over and hang the
tree that the bush is covered drivesand you shake the bush and you leave
it hooked to it and just setthe pole down and throw there with the

(43:43):
fly rod, catch and catch andcatch him. And then they get slow.
You shake the bush again with yourpole. You reach it up and
just shake it because you hung thetree, and then just move for overhang.
But you want to be on thebluffs. We caught eight species of
fish fly rod fishing, but wecatch it. You catch a brim then
you catch a five channel cat,and then you catch a bass. Then
you catch you a little red eyebass. But yeah, a little brim

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fly made by Weber years ago wasthe Weber brim fly. It was a
sinking black nint with a little bitof red on it and it it did
the trick. It was slow sunkand they couldn't stand it. Well,
yeah, it's it's you know,I've never fly fish for like I said,
it's it's it's definitely fun for sure. Yeah, oh yeah, it's
it's a lot of fun. Likehe was saying, there's I've been in
terments me and my partner. I'dthrow up and hang a frog in the

(44:29):
tree and I'd sit there and shakeit. The brims start popping and he
would throw and catch your bass,you know, specifically doing that. Oh
yeah, to catch our limits,cause sometimes it's stuff and you create that
feeding thing going on. That's right, So you know we're we're getting low
on time. So if someone wantsto come experience that, how do they
get ahold of you? Man?They can get They can reach out to

(44:50):
me on Facebook, which is CaptainPaul tyre fishing, or they can give
me a call at eight five zerotwo six four seven five three four all
right, uh, Captain Pat McGriff. How can they find you? One
more cast dot Net is a websiteor you can call me at eight five
zero eight three eight seven five fourone. That's one more cast guide service.
And where do you fish out ofout of Keaton Beach? All right?

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And Paul, where do you fishout of out of Lake Siminol?
And I am Captain Kenny Mullins RealUpic Charters, and I primarily fish out
of Keaton Beach. I do travelsome, uh, you know, I'm
known to fish in swaneesed Key,Horseshoe Beach, Oscilla, Ikafina, you
know Fenn Holloway. I'm gonna gowhere the fish are all right at the
time, but you know, primarilyKeaton Beach. And you can find me

(45:36):
at real pic Charters dot com,Keeping Beach Fishing dot com. You can
find me on Facebook, Instagram,you know, pretty much all the social
media platforms, you know. Soif you guys are looking for a trip,
you know I can tell you fromexperience. Pat is an excellent fisherman,
you know. Paul, I've gotto book a trip with you very
soon. If you have any tablesopen, we'll get your We'll get your

(45:57):
there this fall, getting on somecoffee fishing. That'll be good. Yeah.
And I my oldest boy, uhjust graduated so and he loves bass
fishing. Okay, we did himfishing, So I got to get with
you. Soon I will be bookinga trip. Got to make that happen.
We we gotta. We got tokeep these kids, keep these kids
fishing, you know. And andyou know, I'm not I'm not afraid

(46:20):
to say it. You know,my son is an avid outdoorsman. And
you know, he hit that thatage seventeen years old and started going out
with friends and got into a littlebit of trouble when he got away from
the outdoors. When he got awayfrom it always is that, yep.
So now we got him back ontrack. It wasn't anything bad, but

(46:42):
we got him back on track,getting him back in the outdoors. You
know, he gets out there andhe works the tracking dogs with us.
He's training dogs with me now,just graduated. And you know, now,
you know, I'm very proud ofbecause his passion. He wants to
do real estate. So we're youknow, I put them through real estate
school. I'm doing it with him, you know, And I got to
get him back in the outdoors.Got to get him back passionate about fishing.

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That's that needs to be our focusis the future. Yeah, that's
right. And he might be doingsome guiding with you and get his Captives
license. So I'm working on that. In fact, Sea School has a
class coming up. I tell youI love Sea School. That's a c
C over there. I wist saythey're great. That's who I deal with.
Yeah, she's awesome. Great.So I am working on that and

(47:28):
try to get because the thing aboutguiding is you have to have the right
personality. Yeah, and and hehas that personality. You know, everyone
thinks I'm a great fisherman. Ican be a guide. That's a very
small portion of it. You haveto have the right personality. Yep.
And it's it's customer service, youknow. And keep that in mind when

(47:49):
you were looking for a guide.Oh, we're in the entertainment business.
A lot of people don't understand that, but we're not. You know,
the fishing is just the way wehave the fun, and the fun is
the entertainment for our client, especiallythis time of a year. Oh no,
it's David Rodsman. All right,guys, Well we're out of time
and we will be back next week, so y'all have a good time.
Keep your lines tight. You've beenlistening to The Big Bend Outdoor Show with

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