The Big Bend Outdoors Show 07.13.24

This is the Big Bend Outdoors Show with Joel Baldree

Original Airdate 07.13.24

Today's guests include: Captain Paul Tyre and Captain Kenny Mullins.

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Episode Transcript

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This is the Big Bend Outdoor Showwith Joel Baldry. Today's guest include Captain
Paul Tyre Captain Kenny Mullins. Here'syour host, Joel Baldry. Ahi,
guys, welcome to the Big BenOutdoor Show. We got Captain Kenny Mullins
and Captain Paul Tyre here with usthis morning. Of course, Tanner can't
never be on time, so Idon't think he's showing up. But who's

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Tanner? Yeah, who's Tanner?That's the thing we need to talk about.
Uh co Captain Kenny, What's what'sgoing on with the tides this weekend?
Yes, we got some pretty goodtides. Saturday, seven seventeen am
high tide at three point four tothree feet, a low tide at two
twelve pm at zero point nine toeight so we have about three point two

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feet of water movement, which isreally good. And then Sunday morning high
tide at seven fifty three three pointfour nine feet and low at three twenty
six at zero point eight two feet. Again a lot of water, water
movement. Fish are gonna bit thisweekend. It is an outgoing tide.
So one thing to keep in mindis is with the water going out and

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the shallow water being so hot,it's going to push those fish out further
further. Yeah, yeah, it'suh, it's gonna be a baker too
high ninety six. I don't knowwhat the index is gonna be humid seventy
seven percent, So it's gonna behot. Oh yeah in the window,
like it's gonna be blowing that muchSaturday. But the good news is it'll

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probably be good off short day.Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what,
you know exactly what the you know, the waves is gonna be.
But I'm sure with a wind likethat and ain't this storm, Saturday's probably
gonna be a slick out there.How's how's the weather holding up on your
end, Paul, I tell you, I'll tell you what it's hot now.

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This morning felt good. It wasreally good out there this morning,
you know, I mean, butthe last couple of days has been so
human. I mean, you stepout the door before daylight and you're sweating.
You know, today felt good outthere, but you know, the
bike was a little slow today,you know, it really was. We
didn't see any kind of movement onthe surface at all. Saw one needlefish
running around with a shed in hismouth, that's about it. Went and

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looked for some crappie. Found abunch of crappie grouped up and they're starting
to get out deeper now, whichis fun. But they were kind of
just kind of looking at debate andnot really taking it using forward facing so
onar. But I'm excited I getout there tonight. I think they're going
to bite this evening. How's therain been holding up. It's been raining
about every afternoon, just enough tocool, just to cool things all make
it muddy, muddy, that's exactlywhat Welake ain't got muddy yet. Though

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it's been good for us on theflats because it's significantly reduced the water temperature.
Well, what is the water tempcure? Now? This morning was eighty
four? Really ours up? Thereis eighty seven, eighty five A six
A seven. By the time Igot off the water, it was it
had gotten up to eighty six.But if you remember right, last week
it was almost ninety five degrees.That's right. That's a Now let me

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ask you this with that order coolingdown with that, bringing more with a
with a trout and redfish movie andeven shallower are they gonna follow the day
they're pretty much staying. You know, we're catching them in the same areas.
But the bite was on fire,gotcha. I mean it was crazy
good. Yeah. This time ofthe year, they're mainly gonna be where
they at until you know, temperaturesstart dropping and then they'll you know,

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start pushing up slowly the months,usually about October November that's when they you
know, getting there, you know, three three foot or less depends on
this. Like I said, wedon't ever know when it's gonna get cold.
It's got to be cold at leasttwo weeks they really push them in.
I tell everyone November is the newnew October. So October. October

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used to on the lake too.Yeah, October used to be the the
prime time in the fall when itstarted really picking up. Ye. You
definitely have a fall feed with yourbas in the fall and usually it starts
in September. I know, itdon't don't seem like it, but it
is. It's changing usually ever sceptjust go rest to see what it does
this year. Yep, what uh, so you went fishing this morning?

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Can oh, yeah, what'd youdo? So? Very first cast of
the day twenty six and redfish mudfish. You meant say, very first cast
of the day, and we hada four man limited reds in thirty minutes
artificial only are you allowed to shtell what you caught them on? It
was a gold Aqua dream spoon.Wow, that's cool. What else?

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Yeah, it was a three ightsout. I get three eight ounds just
straight reeling. No, you don'tlet it go the bottom or nothing,
startling, just just start reeling andkeep it off the bottom. I recognize
the difference and then them different goldspoons. Is the balance on them,
you know, how they interact andgoing through the water. Yeah, because

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it got like a little chunk toit. Is that what it's doing showing
a reflection? Yeah. So thedifference between that and like a Johnson spoon
and spoon to smooth and they're heavier, they're most I think they're half ounce,
And that's one of the main reasonsI use it because a lot of
times I'm fishing shallower. But alsoit has like a hammered finish and so

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kind of like a scally finish,and I think it creates not just more
flash, but more vibration. Thatmakes sense traveling see some some people.
You know, that's what I've alwaysheard, just you know, pull it,
don't you know, have no actionto it. But they some people
think they got an action on everything. But everybody's got their preference. And
I'm not sponsored by them, youknow. I'm just gonna use what works,
that's right. And if it ain'tbrooke, you don't fix it.

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That's why I don't try different stuff. If I'm catching fish on one thing,
that's for sure. So yeah,it's it's been you know, the
rain. The rain is ever everyday. You know, welcome to Florida
in the summertime. It has gotthe picky battles whether it's going to be
in the morning or late afternoon.So far here lately, the last three
or four afternoons has been you know, afternoon showers and like that. Yesterday

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was a good one. Yeah,yeah, I don't know how. We've
probably got three inches of rain,but you know, we need a little
bit of it because it's so hot. Everything's soaking up. The rivers is
looking good. People's catching brim.I don't know so much about the bass,
but the brim and catfish is unrealright now. And I said,
when that water got back down inthe Bank's good. It was gonna start
happening, these people catching hide freshwater. I haven't been because some of

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us has got to work, youknow, other things, you know,
instead of this fishing all the time. But that's fishing to change. But
my fishing is work. Especially.You have to call it work, right
when you got to work so hardto even find a fish? Yeah,
I call it work. Then Idon't have that issue. I mean,
we had our limit in two hourstoday. That's awesome time. First time

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in two month. Where's y'all goout of from land? Oh you don't
say where you're going. No,we went out of Keating Beach. Yeah,
speaking of Keaton Beach. When theygonna dredge on canals From what I'm
here, it's going to be aroundlate September to October. Oh, they're
gonna wait till Gag grouper season comesin and start blowing stuff everywhere. No,

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Gag will be over with by then. Oh yeah, it's September first
to September sixteenth. Yeah, fifteendays. Fifteen days though. Hey,
it's all shore man should know thisstuff. Oh yeah, don't worry,
Joe, we'll keep you straight.Oh yeah, no, man, I'm
hoping they get started on it prettyquick, and I would see another day
where people's destroying the bathrooms and stuffdown there. Now, how can you

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expect the county to keep them fixedif they're gonna keep destroying them. I
wouldn't do nothing but put a fivegallon bucket down. Yeah, yeah,
it's it is ridiculous, and wecan't have nothing nice because you know,
people like that tearing stuff up,and I don't blame them. I'd get
tired of fixing stuff too. Yep, yep, I mean it's ridiculous.
But yeah. The fart wise isI think the water, you know,

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it's clear, especially down in ourarea. It's getting better to scollop sain't
come in yet. But huh,the scallops? Who told you that?
I have been several people telling methat the scallops and lo it was I've
begetting I've been getting ten dollars fortyminutes. That's over there in your area,
not my area. Oh you talkingabout Ozilla? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, Well they're probablythere, it's just the water so dark.

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Well, no, they they usuallyfind them, you know, around
the lighthouse, right there between thelighthouse and Gray Mayor but it ain't.
It ain't happening this year. Iwas worried about that fresh water keeping them
pushed out late. But they stillmight come in. But usually this time
you're you know, leafing all themguys. They're getting them, you know,
forty five minutes out of the limit, you know, four man limit.
So I know they're doing good overthere. I mean places they ain't

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been in four or five years.You know they piled in there. Yeah,
where I'm getting them right now.I haven't seen them there in six
seven years. And I know exactlyright where you're getting them at. No,
you don't, Yes, I do. Oh no, yeah you don't.
Bet we're at in front of YatesCreek. Nope, yeah, I
swear. I swear. There's onlybeen one other boat near well, I

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know for a two and a halffeet of water, right they're there,
And that's probably where he's talking about, Dick. I didn't say, Deacon.
I'm sorry, No, get everybodythere. No, I'm not there
either. Well, he ain't theworst thing hatche he's on this side of
kat And I can tell you thatmuch because I'm telling you it's been a

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while since we sent them over there. I mean no, I agree,
there's too used toll. You couldwalk on top of them so thick.
So I don know if you knowthis, but they don't move more than
a mile from where they're born.Really, Yeah, I wonder what was
going on then, you know,for the past four or five years they
were there. They were there now. Yeah, so last year when I
was you know, I keep mypen fish traps in a certain area that

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people hasn't been scolloping in a while, and I was getting them in my
pin fish traps, so they werethere. Dang, what about the sharks.
He's singing sharks very few. Theshark numbers are way down this year
from from normal, and that's abig blow up. Everybody steadily posting something
about a shark. Yeah, attack, shark, attack that because it's shark

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Week. I was wondering what theyhad going on. I mean, they
it's just like somebody said the otherday on Facebook said, you know,
if you taste salt, they sharksaround being fresh but if you taste fresh
water, they alligators. And theremay be sharks and fresh water. That's
true. Yeah, bull shark willgo up in the rivers. They'll go

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up, they'll go up the riverswanting, And I tell you, a
shark and the alligator is my lastconcern. I'll get in the order with
them all day long. But asnake come by me six inches, I'm
tearing stuff loose. I'll tell youwhat scares me more than either one out
there during scollop season. That's otherboaters. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
as everybody. I mean they stillrunning up close, running wide.

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Well, I'm very fortunate right nowI don't have anyone around me. But
you know, earlier in the season, when I was south and I was
getting in the middle of the crowds, it was insane. I mean just
very very, very dangerous. Youknow last year in Crystal River, someone
got hit, they got rent overby a boat. Yeah, they don't

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pay attention, man, And it'speople that don't got no experience, that
don't need to be operating the boat. I mean, that flag is there
for a reason. Was it threehundred feet? Three hundred feet? Yeah?
You got this in out out inopen water and iron the river,
it's what one hundred and fifty feet? I believe I can't I ain't gonna
vouch on that because I really don'tknow that one. But I do know
if you are out there scollopon andyour boat is moving and your flag is

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up, you're illegal. Yep,you cannot have your flag up moving.
Because I was coming out here theother day and I said, dah,
I got them that boat. Imean, I figured he was anchored out
the flag was up. Further,I go to closer. He said,
what in the world. So Ifinally stopped. He out of acrossed in
front of me with a flag up. I said, man, I said,
They'm going to tell you how manypeople that was trying to do good
and you know, go by therules and he's breaking them. So we

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got to go to a quick commercial, real quick, guy. Then we'll
be right back. Y'all state Allright, guys, welcome back to the
show. Was talking about, youknow, scolloping and the safety of the
flags and everything, and Kenny's wantingto bring something up that happened in Crystal
River recently. Yeah, a firecaptain, Citrus County Fire Rescue fire captain

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was killed in an off duty boatcrash on the fourth of July and he
was thrown from his boat when anothervessel struck him. And this happened in
the channel from what I'm understanding,so some there again. I mean,
it was a freak accident. I'msure right, you know, what was
the guy doing behind him? Iwouldn't have paying attention. That's following too

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close probably, you know, youdon't ever know when they get Yeah,
I don't know if it was behindhim or hit him. You know.
I did read the article, butI can't remember one hundred percent exactly the
details, and it was pretty vague, but I know it was. It
was a two boat collision. Justyou know, I think a boater or
safety course would be required by everyone. I don't do. It doesn't matter

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in my opinion. It shouldn't matterwhat your age is. Yeah, like
I said, when you think youknow everything, you don't. You know,
you don't know nothing really honestly,you don't never quit learning about you
know, say, especially on thewater. Boat ain't like a car.
You can't just slim on brakes.That's why I harped everybody about following everybody
in that channel. You ain't givenenough time. You know, seventy five

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yards sixty, you know sixty ispushing it, But you got to let
off that boat. Sometimes they justdon't let off, you know, you
run a fifty mile an hour's try, it's gonna go, you know,
seventy five hundred feet and you knowyou ain't got time to stop. That's
what I you know, I tryto explain to everybody about you know,
just all what you got to payattention. If you're not paying attention,
that's when it's gonna happen. Youknow, they had that incident, was

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it last year in Panacea? Youknow the two captains hit, you know,
run over top of each other andgot them people killed. Yep.
You know it's just you know,it could happen to anybody. I ain't
saying that that won't ever happen tome, because you know, as soon
as you let your guard down,something happens. Right, Accidents, accidents
do happen. I will say this, and I think both of y'all probably

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agree. You know, I grewup on the water, I grew up
in a boat, and when Iwent and got my captain's license, I
learned a lot of valuable information thatI feel should a lot of it should
be shared with everyone. You know. Of course, some of it that
we had to learn, you know, will never use and some of it,
you know, maybe not everyone needsto know, but there was a

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lot of information in there that couldsave a lot of lives. Yeah good.
It's just like you know, noone knowing how to prepare for storms
and stuff like that. You don't, you know, you don't need to
be out there in thirty mine ourwin. You ain't got no business being
out there in that. And I'mnot gonna come help you in thirty mine
our wins. I'll tell you thatreal quick, like I can't come.

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I can't come. I risk myself, you know, to help you,
and you want to be ignorant?Lot that right, And it's just like
the safety equipment. That's my numberone thing is safety equipment. I didn't
care about that when I was younger. I wasn't thinking and I met you
know, I didn't whatever. Whoknews that? You know? Why did
they write me a ticket for that? Well, But just like that boat
for instance, you know out theOscilla the other day, he tried to

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use the flares, flares wouldn't gooff, you know, tried to blood
air horn, air horn wouldn't work. And they didn't have these kids were
younger, They didn't have an anchoron the boat. Nothing. They didn't
know how to read their GPS.They was telling us one thing, and
luckily I asked them to send menaccordance to their phone, and that's how
we found them. If it wasn'tfor their phone right or they had us

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looking over around Rock Island, that'swhere the corners was going. I said,
that's not right. I said,there's no way you got phone service
right there. For one And Isaid, you telling me you went out
to Ascilla, but you ain't wentleft or right. And you see the
bird racks. I had cell servicein Allscilla. I didn't this morning.
I see that the cell tires hasbeen acting up down there. It's in
and out right now. I don'tknow if they trying to upgrade it or

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what. But two or three daysit'd be good, and then bam,
you won't have nothing. You can'tcall it. I got people grabbing me
all the time. I called youten times. I just told them where
I was. Get any I don'tknow. I ain't talked to anybody yet.
It might be why he's not here. I have so just a catfish

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I've been I've been hearing the redfishes on fire too. That way.
I don't know. About the trout. You know, they really hadn't that
many people fish in that area thistime, there's not many. I didn't
see a single boat this morning,and I haven't all week. I haven't
had a boat around me. It'sdone got too hot the heat. Yeah,
especially them old you know, theolder people right there then. And

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I can't hardly handle it myself.Must less somebody you know, seventy years
old. Their time where it startsgetting busy around there, Like I said,
you know, mid October on untilabout February March, and you can't
run them out the store. Theypiled in there every morning, the daylight.
But yeah, I'm back to thesafety equipment. I just can't harp

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enough. Guys. We got wegot to make sure our equipments up to
date. You know. One thingI want to mention because this is something
that I recently when I got checked, I was in violation and I didn't
even think about it. My flareswere within date, but they got wet,
moisture had gotten to them because Ihad them in a in a hatch

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and I keep my boat on thewater and I didn't even think to check
that. Well, now I've gota dry box I put them in the
dry box. But that's something tothink about. But you know, even
when that humidity in that orange drybox, mine got more string YEP.
I threw them away. But that'sthat's one thing you got to check out
and think about it. You know, it's moisture. It's kind of like
a firework. He gets wet andthat gonna lie, right, you know

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what I mean, that's that's prettymuch what it's got in it. You
know, stuff you make fireworks outof it, and it is a violation.
You know, y'all talking about aboat or safety course bass they have
termas the elites they're they're making itrequire now that everybody that fishes any of
their events have to have a butterbased safety course. Yeah, I mean,
that's that's just it needs to happen. You know, Like I said,
when you're younger, you don't thinkabout stuff like that. Oh it's

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stupid. You know, it ain'tno sense in that. It ain't nothing
gonna happen to me out there,and then it happens there. There's been
several instances. I ain't gonna sayno names who I was with, but
you know I've had too close,too close calls off shore. No,
it was not my boat, butI'm just going to clarify that. But
it's stuff that we could have preventedand wasn't thinking well known. At so
many times we didn't care, youknow. Yeah, and when I was

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younger, I was involved in acapsized vessel and we were out there for
a long time and it's not fun. And that's one thing I tell everybody.
Make sure you got something in adry box that can get with a
flashlight, a mirror. You know, your vest I you know, I
almost you know you want to getto reflect a vest you know in which

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we're required, yeah, you know, we have to have a type one.
And that I just I highly recommendthat to everybody because one if you
if you get out here and youget sunk, of course you want everything
tied together. You want as muchstuff as you can get together, coolers,
whatever, time together, life jacketsthat you ain't using just something to
create a blog down there that somebodycould see from the air or whatever.

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And that's a lot of times peopledon't think, well, you know,
I got this or I got that, but you you know, you think
about stuff like when it's almost happenedto you, like I was, I
cut the anchor, as say,as we didn't realize what was going on
out there twenty miles off shore,and we plowed the outer holes right there
and idled towards land. Don't calledfor helping everything. But luckily it took
us two hours to get the waterout the boat. But you know who

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wind up saving it. They wasfishing to get ugly though. And that's
that's the closest I ever come tosinking out there. But they've been several
instances where people could have prevented itand just careless man. And like I
said, we was careless that day. That's luckily it didn't happen to us.
Wow. You know another another goodsafety tip is anchor line. Yeah.
You know, I see a lotof people, especially during skol,
So even though we're shallow, they'llhave you know, ten feet ada anchor

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line out and you're in six feetof water. That's not enough. I
guess why what's gonna happen when thatfirst wave comes by? Yeah, So
I think it was three years ago. I was outside the crowd. We
were out deep, we were inprobably eight feet of water scalop and everyone
else was in but we were juston them. I had some great swimmers
on the boat, and they wereso thick you were swimming down picking up

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you can literally like literally rake theminto your back, they were that thick.
But however, like I said,we were the last boat outside the
crowd, and I came up fora break. I'm sitting there and talking
to my wife. We're under theumbrella, and all of a sudden,
I feel something. I look overand a pontoon boat plowed into the side
of our boat. Well, Ilook, I don't see anyone, and

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then I noticed anchor rope off thefront and two girls had their headphones on,
you know, sun tanning on theseats. The boat bounced off of
ours and was heading out to sea. I look over their people still over
there, scalp. They had noidea that the boat was gone. The
two girls, I mean, ithit my boat pretty hard. They never
even picked their head up to lookand see what was going on. And

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that boat was fixing to go outto see. So I dragging an anchor,
dragging an anchor. So I'm hollering, and finally I just I rode
over there and I'm hollering at thesegirls and they finally take the Can I
help you? I'm like, no, can I help you? I mean,
you're about to drift off to see? What do I do? Let
more anchor line out? How doI do that? Had no idea?

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I said, start up the boat? How do you start the boat?
And that's another rule. Do notleave nobody on that boat that cannot operate
it or function. Why are youdown there diving or either scolloping? Because
what's going to happen if something likethat does happen, Even if you got
enough anchor rope out something, becauseI'm tied, anything could happen. You
want somebody in that boat that canoperate well. And that being said,

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if y'all wouldn't around, imagine whatwould happen to people exactly? You know
what I mean. They had beengone and it was a day that you
know, probably a lot of peopleshouldn't have been out there if you're not
you know, it was fairly windy. I'd be a strong swimmer and they
would have been blown out to seequick kind of ponting that catches a lot
of wind, it does. It'slike I said, you know, it's

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like an airboat. Airboat, it'sthe same way. You don't want to
be piled out or in the windon an airboat. Everybody wants to go
in the twenty thirty mine our winds. I'm like, no, I'm not
fighting that. I mean, Ican do it. It's just aggravating when
you when you running sideways going downto a bank. Yeah, I mean
one day I was out there comingin with with the warriors and Kings out
there fishing. I said, Iain't going around him. It done got

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bad at this point and I hadto run the grass line and I probably
I don't know if I sprayed himor not, but I had to cut
through that there. I couldn't apologizeto him. I wasn't worried about it.
I said I had to get throughthere. Yeah I wouldn't. I
wasn't fishing to go a running witha sunk. But you know, that
storm blew up on us when wegot back to the hill. I don't
know if it was that day orday before. Did it get a real
bad storm that day, I can'tremember. There was one of them.

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We got loaded up and just gotdown the road and the bottom fell out,
lighting and popping everywhere. But Ithink it was the day before that.
But yeah, that it can happenso quick, and you see clouds
building up, you better better startplanning, you know, plan b m
oh, yeah, because it's gonebefore you can blink. I have an
old man I fished with and oneday we was out, he said gotta
go. I was like why,He said, look at look at your

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radar. He said, you don'tneed to. I can feel at my
knees. And we got to go. In time. We got back to
this house, it was lightning,tornado come by raining sideways. As we
pulled into his dock, I waslike, man, how do you get
that good? He said, timeon the water, baby, there's no
fish worth risking your lunge. Andyou exactly when to leave nothing. Yeah,

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And like I said, you,oh, I'll give it fifteen more
minutes. After ten minutes up thatcan be. That can be that,
it can be barbecued up. Yeah. I mean, you just don't never
know. I'm not going. I'drather I'd rather show it. I rather
make a decision get early than late. Did. I delayed a trip the
other day, a scollop trip,by almost two and a half hours,
and you know, because I knewthere was something sitting out there, and

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that's no, I'm not going inthe lightning. It's not worth it.
Yeah, yeah, I don't blameyou there. All right, guys,
we gotta go to a quick commercialand we'll be right back. Y'all stay
tuned. All right, guys,welcome back to the show. We've got
Captain Paul Tyre gonna tell us what'sgoing on in the lakes. I tell

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you what. The lake fishing rightnow has been hot. The bike's been
actually pretty good, but it's beena little hit and miss that today was
slow this morning, but I gota feel and I think it's transitioned from
feeding the morning to feeding the evenings. It seems like it's been we've been
going away from the new Moon.That seems like what's happening. So I'll
find out this evening. They're biting, but I tell you we've that there's

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been some brim still bedding up onLake Seminole. Mayflies are still hatching on
Lake Seminole's coming coming today And topeople I had in the boat, they
were flying all in their hair,in their hair and hitting them in the
face. But in the brim,we're hitting hitting on them. So that's
definitely working. On Lake Talquin,you're your brim or definitely biting down there.
You can use crickets and fishing onsome shady banks around docks anywhere you

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got some shade up against the bank. They've been baying pretty good. And
then the bass they're definitely been hittingthat top water, the prop bait,
a buzz bait, a frog,that type bait. Right now, the
water is so warm and when itcools off, when you get those cloudy
days, you can have some reallygood, really good explosions right now.
What'd you say, Well, Igo, they said there were so many

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flies. The kids is catching themeating. Yeah, they were going in
their mouth and everything. I wasgoing into the cut where I go into
my house on Lake Seminole, andand right there in the cut where I
go in to where my house is, there were just mayflies everywhere, and
you see the brim popping on themand that draws them bass to them too.
Have you started seeing the big gatorsaround there? Yes, I figured
Davis coming. Yes, I've been. I've been fishing around caters right now.

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That's what the bass are. Doyou have any availability coming up soon?
Yes? I do have some availabilityI've got. I got to getting
some tea took out next week,so I will take a couple of days
of often then I've got some.I got several trips going into the end
of July, then got got somediamond in August. For sure. This
is my slower time of the yearbecause but having my place at my where

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I up on Lake Seminole where Ilive, I have a place next door
where people can come and stay andI'll take them in the morning. We'll
come in, take a break andgo back out in the evening. That
helps out a lot. Oh yeah, what is there any tournaments coming up?
Nothing? No major term. It'snothing big that's coming up on Like
someone O, there's there was aI know there was a term this past

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weekend out of at Ease Camp Runand Marina. There was like a like
a one fish term and you hada sidepot and me and a buddy of
mine I grew up with. Wefished it and won the side pot,
went and came in second for thebig fish, but made a little money
on it. It was good,y'all. I didn't have no lead stuff
down. I don't know, wedon't we don't play that well, I
tell you what where I live,if everybody got caught doing that, they

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would't make it out of parking lot. Yeah, it wouldn't be no suing
or going to jail with it.Yeah, I don't know that. Don't
guys do that with in Walleye fishing? Y'all see that That made news in
like England everywhere. That was thatthey're not even allowed of fishing other tournament.
They'll probably never do it. Yeah, I wouldn't even want to be
See if you if they fish redfish and using a ribbon and they showed

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up there, you wouldn't want tofish against you, would you. We'd
be cutting the bellies. You're talkingto a guy that brings them in,
that has a beat up tail frombeing in a cage. I'll come on
now, I told him when Igot there. I said, look,
I know it looks like this,I said, but y'all get a lot
of test out. I'll tell youjust how it happened. Told him out

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in the water, and he wasjust like, hey, I have the
bass abasady that when they're spawning therethey'll rub their tails when they're making a
bed. I don't know if redfish do that. But what causes that
to happen with red fish? Ithink this was an injury because at his
back he had a slump, probablyprobably dolphin something something had And I've seen

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a few of them like that.You know that not actually that big.
But I wouldn't throwing that one back. He was you know, he was
over six pounds. He was goingto the hill. Wow. But yeah,
he had he had like a bigchunk that got took out when he
was younger. Yeah. So alot of times, especially certain times a
year, the dolphins will actually coralup the red fish, like on these

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oyster bars and stuff, and you'llsee them smack the fish out of the
water with their tails and they'll goafter red fish. Try out bullet.
Yeah, they usually mess up mymullet game. I'll be waiting on some
mullet pod of mullet to come outof creek, be sitting there waiting for
the perfect time, and all ofa sudden, you hear you left your
right and here they come. WhenI run right through the middle of them,
just knocking them up in there,catching them. Yeah, they treated

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like a game, and it's kindof smoking run from It's just like we're
gonna play catch with myself. They'redolphins, super smart. They knew how
to hurt them up and everything likewe do with airboat. Yep. Now
you heard them up before you strike, and that's how a dolphin does.
They'll circle them. Yeah. Iwas running up on an oyster bar one
day. I seen the dolphins thereand I knew what they were doing there.

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They were cryling up those redfish,and I literally ran up there in
the middle of them, ran thedolphins off, waited about ten minutes,
and we started catching the bay wherethey buy it. When that's going on,
he was throwing spears at them.Hey, speaking of that, if
you've done any gigging, No,I ain't done no gigging. It's from
what I'm here. It's pretty goodright now. Oh yeah, people running

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past the trails and stuff and gettingstuck. I still get to find out
who that was. Yeah, Ican't remember. He did tell me,
but I can't remember who it was. I'd like to know who it was
running past the trail and get hungup. Hey, But seriously, this
morning, we caught black drum,small black drum on gold spoons. We

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caught sheep's head on a gold spoonand a flying ru on a gold spoon
man. All the kind of fishwere in there. Yeah, how big
was the sheep there? It wasa keeper. Really. Yeah. It
ain't no better eating than that.I'm telling you. That's the best to
me out there, besize the mythat's the best eating on the salt water
to me. They just aggravating cleaning. Now. You said before, when

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the mullet run, When does thathappen? Usually the round Thanksgiving. When
it happens, you'll get some stormmoli I call them storm mallet. They
real big offshore mullet. If weget a storm coming up through the gulf,
it'll push them in and you'll haveyou know, twenty five thirty inch
mullet. Yeah, the road willbe you know, fourteen to fifteen inches
long. Wow. And you getthem usually around October we have a storm

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September October, and they'll be infor a week or two and then they'll
disappear. And then just about everythingthat disappeared, the regular mullet be gone.
And then all of a sudden,one day it's cold, you be
at the mouth of that river andhere they come. That's what they do.
And they get in that river andthey'll sit there in the back of
that river in deep holes and staythere till the next full moon. Then
they'll leave. Another group will comein usually about two turns, three turns,

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and the mullet's gone. That's whenyou get in there with a snatch
choking them holes. Yeah, Iain't doing all that snatching. It's fun.
It's fun. Yeah, there's alot of people who enjoys it.
I like throwing that net out,well, well illegal net illegal, illegal,
man, Let me watch the most. Watch the most you call it
in a net ah, probably fourhundred, No, and it's not that

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Yeah, there's so many they getlike that man, the water would just
be rippling. And you know what, he goes out there, does all
that work, get all them fish, and I just go down there buying
for a dollar a pounds selling themfor a dollar pound. You know,
I cook them, I cook themand smoke them run there and I can't
keep them. Once I smoke them, somebody knows I smoked a hundred mullet.

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They'll be gone that afternoon. Anduh yeah, the mullet. That's
my favorite time of the year.When they get to running. I'm buiting
my fingernails off. When I'm upnorth hunting in Missouri, I'm wondering.
I'm waiting on that phone call,one of them calling they and the river,
and I'm just at that time Ihave my finger bit off. I've
seen a huge school of mullet today. Everybody's telling them at mullets in they

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thick. People's catching them with thecast nets right now and usual less I'm
unheard of with the cast nets catchingsixty to throw. But they are they
potted up right? Oh yeah,Like I said, though another month,
month and a half, they'll justslowly wing out and then the next stage
you'll see the rum mullet come in. And like I said last year,
the fresh water and every can comeinto the river. I think they tried

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to come in one time, butall that fresh water, that tannic acid
kept them out. So you wouldgo out to the river and you'd hook
these creeks and run them creeks runningbar and that's where they'd be all piled
up. Of course, you can'tstrike right there called all the oyster bars.
You had to pick and cheese.Where you strike strike he means put
the net it's out. Yeah,well yeah, well strike yeah, stright.
Some people may not know that strikingfreshwar fish and you got to strike.

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Hey, Paul, have you evercaught a mullet on a rod?
Actually I have below the lake simonold damn on that bunch of call river
with the mullet. Get up thereand you could, uh we I want
with a guy. We caught someon some muscles. It's fun. Yeah,
they fight, fight and we gotmulled in Lake Siminol. Oh yeah,
oh yeah, a long time ago, and it might work on you

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know one of those lakes. Weused to fish on the Alabama River and
we'd put bags out with them bigcow pellets and the little onion bags.
Well we can go white perch fishing. Come back about two hours later than
mullet be fed up that bag ona sandbar. And you said, there
with a thirty three with a wormand a cort and catch a cooler for
that's pretty good. Saint John's Riverand a lot of those guys will put

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out salt blocks. They'll put outa salt block and those mullet comes to
the salt block and then they'll usecorn or peas. Yeah, I couldn't
believe it in that that's pretty cool, as old man said on his dock
and all still, and that's whyhe fishes with a cane pole and he'll
sit there and lead the cooler.You know. In November. It's a
lot of fun. Yeah, theyput up definitely that big fight. And
like I said, the snatch ups, right, they can kind of make

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me nervous. If you're fishing aroundmy kids, you'd understand. They set
the hook. They set the hook, whether something's coming with her or not.
The hooks coming. Yeah, I'vebeen I've been fishing with kids,
teaching might have cast with with troublehooks for the last two mornings. I've
been really watching. I imagine,yeah, yees, you know, and
they need to learn at some point, and that that's right, you know,

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everybody's got to learn. A lotof captains won't take it. And
I understand that you got three orfour of them. You can't dodge all
them hooks, but you got twoof them and you can stay at the
back. Let them learn how touse them, because once they start using
them plugs, it's especially in thewinter time, it's it's just game over.
It's fun, that's right. Youknow, they're blowing them the mirrorors
out the water and stuff. It'sit ain't no better feeling than that catching

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a trout on the mirror. Yeah, you know, I just want you
know, I don't use a lotof livebait at home, and you know
I'm not. We're at you know, ninety five personal best baths for the
year so far, and every oneof them has been on artificial and it's
you know, the person called that, I kind of took them to the
area, but they made that fish. But I'm gonna be honest. I
had hardly thrown live bait this summer, and normally it's you know, my

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summertime game is game is pinfish underpopping cork and you mean getting catch them
on plastics. Everything's been screwed upthis year. Well, you know,
I think I just it's kind ofone of those deals where if you keep
doing the same thing, you knowyou're gonna catch fish, You're gonna catch
fish. Well, you keep usingartificial you're gonna catch fish. You just
gotta you got to stick with it. Yeah, when they're hungry, they're

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gonna eat whatever you put in frontof them. That's true. That is
true, and that's you know,I like using you know, shrimp certain
times of the year and them holesespecially, you know when they can't nothing
get out. But you know there'sa certain time when it gets so cold
they won't even really a shrimp.You know. You got to go to
that. That's that ned rig thatone fifth one sixth ounce ned rig head

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and a little t R D andred fish to hit that high Oh yeah,
read fish. Try out that.You can pitch it up there on
the on the side of the creekand it just kind of tumbled down you
and you have to work it none. I might work real good. Go
to a quick commercial, guys.We'll be right back, y'all. Stay
taken to do all right, guys, welcome back to our final segment before

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today. Thank you all for tuningin with us. Kenny's gonna give us
a little lowdown. What's coming upright there with the frog gig and stuff.
Yeah, it's getting that time ofthe year. You know, this
is the right time of the yeargig. You know, you get out
there and at night and we're it'sa little bit cooler, you know,
we're getting we're finally getting some rain, you know, and you don't always
have to have a boat to gofrog gigging. You know, there's a

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lot of especially in our area,there's a lot of state land. You
know, you can walk the ditchesand obviously be careful of favorite snakes gators,
but frog gigging is a lot offun. And you know you don't
even have to gig them. There'speople that hunt them with pellet guns,
so I'm serious there there is Wegot one guy in our hunt club that

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actually hunts him with blowguns. Ohthat's cool. Yeah, and he's successful
at it. But you know,frog gigging is a lot of fun for
kids, oh no doubt. Andthere's some big bullfrogs up on like some
of the biggins. There's some biggingsdown her nuts, but there's some other
big things. I don't like totalk about it that I ain't walking down
the ditch. I could take thething that ain't visit to happen, But

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yeah, I always want to dothat. Iguana hunting. Yeah, I
took a guy scolloping. I rememberearlier I said we had to delay it
by two two and a half hours. He was from the keys and we
got to talk about that. Hehas a dog that will retrieve iguanas.
So I was like, so youhunt him. He's like, well,

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no, not really. She retrievesthem alive. But I told him,
I said, yeah, I've beenwanting to go do that iguana hunting.
He said, come on, hesaid, you can have all you want.
You let me know you come ondown. I got it good?
Yeah, really I have them reallyyeah. It tastes like chicken. Everything
tastes like chicken. You know,do you believe it? Possum tastes like

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chicken? What about a coon?Probably? No, I have I have
eight. I have eight raccoons,and it's good if it's prepared properly.
I have not got that hungry yetfellas. No raccoon. I see some
of that stuff y'all make down there, y'all store. That's some good looking
foodie right there. I ate Armadillotastes like pork. I got one around

(38:37):
my house right now. You can'tcome get him. Know, I'm good.
It's not bad. Really yeah,it's it's actually good. It's it's
just like pork. They're probably goodand tender, because when I see one,
I like run out kick. Yeah. Speaking of hunting, deer seasons
just around the corner yeah, willwhen y'all start scouting and looking right now,

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right now, buddy, mind Tom, he's gonna start pretty soon,
yeah, cause we're only about sixtydays well maybe yeah, right at sixty
days away from deer season. Thehorns is starting to grow. I mean
they in velvet. I've seen afew down there, you know, on
my in in velvet. It's agood time to start planting your plots.
Yeah, getting them at least geta ground breake, you know. But

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in protein, yeah, protein thistime of year is critical about protein with
their horn grace they got. Andthat's the problem, you know, down
in our area is everything's about killedoff. I mean they've destroyed or hardwoods
and dagham hogs. What does followon the acrons? Hobs eat it all
up, So they're starving our deerdown down there. We got we got
to do something about the hot Iwill say this though a lot of people

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doesn't realize how the nutritional value ofnatural vegetation like greenbriers, greenbriars is high
in protein. Yeah, you know, greenbriars. We got the muscadins,
your blackberries, you know. Sosome places you can't plant a food plot,
and in some areas, especially Joelin our area, the soil is

(40:05):
so acidic that you have to addso much line and you can't add enough
lime, you know, and inthat case you're probably better off or you
are better off mowing that natural vegetationand fertilizing it and that new growth is
going to have all the nutrients thatthat deer needs and that's there what they're
eating naturally. Anyways, Yeah,I agree, like I said, Amanda,

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the woods is different. It's changing, you know from time I was
a kid, and uh, youknow, we got to get you know,
get together on that, especially themthem clubs, you know, as
you know used to they'd all docommunity food plots and stuff, you know,
just to the best they could,whether they planning you know, rye
or whatever. And you know that'sthat's got to happen because like I said,

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twenty these pine trees and sprayings andstuff. I seen a lot of
hardwoods killed last five to ten years. Well, you know, there's a
big restoration project with f w Cto restore natural floor and they don't believe
that oak trees is natural Florida.So you go into like have you been
to the into Spring Creek where they'redoing the restoration project on the sand Hills.

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You know, they've they've taken outthe oak trees. They it's all
big pines, palmeadows and grasses.It's so they don't yeah, yeah,
yeah, I mean if you ifyou, if you read it that no
really so you know, and obviouslythere was there was deer here before then,

(41:34):
you know, allegedly I wasn't alivethen. Obviously That's what I'm trying
to figure out with them. Howthe heck they speculating if we weren't alive,
how they think they gonna know whathappened before. But that's a big
thing right now in our state withthe Fish and Wildlife Commission, is they're
trying to restore our state lands backto natural habitat, you know, And

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what does that do to the ecosystem? You know, just like people evolve
over time, do these animals evolveand adapt to what it is now?
You know, I don't know.I'm not a I'm not a biologist.
I'm not a scientist, but Iwill say this, like you talked about
in our in our woods in ourarea, pines are are key. You

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know, Timber is a big sourceof income for our communities. And part
of that process it depletes the soil. You know, it's very acidic soil.
So when you're planning these food plots, you know a lot of times
they won't grow properly, or theywon't have the nutrients that they need to

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have, or you know, theynever be turned sweet like a lot of
a lot of these vegetatis. Thevegetation that you plant in these food plots,
it needs a frost for it tocome become sweet and the deer eat
it. Well, how all that'shappening later and later, you know,
and there's some tricks you can do, like you know, you can take
soil samples and you could you couldfind out what your pH level is and

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and they will give you it orsuggest to you how much lime to put
down. But again in our area, in these pine woods where it's it's
timber land, you can't you can'tget it up in a year, and
the pines just just keep taking allthat in. So one trick is to

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use pelletized time released lime and treatit like a fertilizer and keep putting it
down and it's it's time released andthe vegetation will take that into the roots.
Well, yeah, man, theit's it's a total different bogga.
And it's like up north, youknow, they every other year they planting
something different, you know, whetherit's corn or beans, alternating the crops.

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And that's that's a little bit.I mean, like I said,
our grounds not rich as theirs.And it's just like the further you go
Georgia, you know, even onthe Florida line. You know, the
further you go up, the betterthe ground gets, you know. And
that's that's why you see the biggerdeer, you know, the healthier here,
you know, and they got ahealthy set of horns on them.
It's because the ground so much richerman, and up there in Missouri is

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no comparison to Florida. I meanit's the first year buck up there would
be a small basket rack eight youknow. Here down here they are like
an inch long spot. You know. Well you look at the difference between
Leon County and Thomas County. Bigthat's a big difference. Well, and
it's all it's all about the ground. And I'm a firm believer in that.
Like I said, we can't domuch. I mean there's been some

(44:27):
big bucks killed down there, youknow, over the years, back in
the eighties and nineties. Oh yeah, my father in law killed a giant.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.In the western Western So I mean,
they're there, or they was there, but everything has changed, you
know for the last the hogs.Imagine the hogs went as bad as they
are now. No, And letme tell you, you can't kill them
fast enough. You can't trap enoughof them, you can't kill enough of

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them. And probably one of mybiggest gripes with the state is we need
year round hunting for hogs on stateland. I'm a firm believer or not.
They need to turn it loose.And some of the some of the
area's done and now I think theyallow them to go on the weekends.
Yeah, there is some summertime opportunities, but that's just been recent. And

(45:14):
but them guys, all they doingis cutting them and turning them loose.
You know, they're not getting ridof the problem that we need to.
You know, it's just like thecoyote hunting, the kyte hunting. The
coyote hunting has got so big overthe last four or five years. They're
starting to see, in my belief, I'm starting to see a lot more
turkeys in our area especially, youknow, I mean, they're they're killing
a lot of them. They're doingI think it's a it's a competition to

(45:34):
them. But here's the other sideof that with that, people doesn't think
about you think about the coyotes,but raccoons destroy a lot of turkeiness.
I agree, Yeah, I cansee that. I agree. I mean,
if they come out here and dolike they do with my chickens.
You know, when they was ontrying to hatch eggs, they go in
there and you know, try tocatch the chicken. If they couldn't catch
her, they sit there and eatall the eggs and stuff. So now
I read the interesting study about coyotesthat that was done, and it's it's

(46:00):
pretty neat. And I remember itwas Georgia, Alabama. Anyways, the
more coyotes, the higher the population, the smaller the looters were, and
then as they started hunting them andkilling him off, the larger the letters
were. It was nature, Yeah, doing his population control. Yeah,

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it's pretty wild. Yeah, I'veheard that. Yeah, they they they
man, I don't know, Ijust don't. I don't see the use
for him, like a con.I don't. Yeah, the fellow that
came here and tall, he's he'skilled a bunch of Yeah, he's a
good friend of mine. Gosh,he's put a hurting on them. Yeah.
Sometimes he'll killed twenty five or not. It things like I said,

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So last year, I don't knowif he shared. I wasn't here that
day, but last year he killedfive hundred. Yeah. Yeah, what
are you saying? He's like likethe world record part. Yeah, he's
he's a machine several times yep.Yeah. And I remember when he got
started on I was. I wasthere. I was with him. We
were on a farm that I hadand and uh that was back before he

(47:04):
got into the thermal game. Andwe were using red lights, redhead lamps
and yeah, he's came a longways fast. Well, can you tell
everybody how to get a hold ofyou, brother if they want to book
a trip? All right? Youcan find me real epic charters dot com
and you can find me on everysocial media platform and my phone number is
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(47:27):
on social platforms at Captain Paul tierFishing. My phone number is eight five
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on Facebook. My phone numbers eightfive o six seven two two one four
three. That's inshore or offshore.So give me a call and uh that

(47:50):
seventy miles an hour. We don'tgo seventy only when I'm by myself.
But uh, man, I'm I'mlooking forward to the the winter. I'm
already I'm ready to see winter.You know, summertimes pretty much over.
We've got one more holiday, right, that's pretty much. It easually settember.
It was it a labor day.We got a lot more hot days
ahead. I'm ready for that coolerweather me too. It was kind of

(48:15):
cool this morning. It was.It felt nice out there for about nine
thirty ten o'clock. I wouldn't knowI was still under the covers. But
we'd like to thank y'all seriously tuningin with us every week. Hope to
see y'all out on the water somewherethis weekend. Y'all stay safe and remember
always make sure your safety equipment isgood. I'll tune in. Thank y'all

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