The Big Bend Outdoors Show 07.20.24

This is the Big Bend Outdoors Show with Joel Baldree

Original Airdate 07.20.24

Today's guests include: Captain Paul Tyre and special guest host Captain Kenny Mullins.

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Episode Transcript

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This is the Big Bend Outdoor Showwith Joel Baldry. Today's guest include Captain
Paul Tyre. Here's your special guesthost, Captain Kenny Mullins. Good morning,
Welcome to the Big Bend Outdoors Showwith Joel Baldry. Who is not
here today. He is He wentto Icast this week. Yeah, he's
down there seeing what all the newproducts are coming out. Man, isn't

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that cool? Yeah, So yougot Captain Kenny Mullins here and Captain Paul
Tyre. Yes, sir, we'rewe kind of miss Joell. I hope
he'll call in and let us knowwhat all the new stuff is coming out.
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty exciting. I was supposed to go,
but we ended up having to doa couple of things. Got pretty busy
and had trips every day and Ihad to shuffle some trips around the way.

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This weather's been you know, yeahthis weekend, you know, eighty
percent chances thunderstorms all day every dayand it's kind of some of your evening
bite or afternoon bite then, don'tit. Yeah, but it's been raining
in the mornings down there. Yeah. Yeah, So Tuesday Wednesday, uh,
you know, try to get outthere, take a group scolloping and

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we Tuesday, we got out there. We had about maybe an hour window,
so we were able to get Ithink it was five gallons in an
hour and people were scalping. Ihad five on my boat. Wow.
So the same group we went backout the next day and there was one
little window between between thunderheads and wewere able to go right in, right

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into that area where I wanted tobe, is right where a storm was
sitting on top of Oh. Isaid, well, we're just gonna make
the best of it. We madea stop for about thirty minutes, We
picked up a gallon and a halfthat storm, that thunderhead moved out of
the way, we moved over there, we got I think uh we ended
up getting six gallons before the nextone rolled in. And you know,

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we had marine forecast advisory. SoI said we got to go and we
went back in, but to uh, well, we'll touch on the tides
real quick and uh uh you knowthis morning Saturday, eight am, it
was a low tide at one pointseventy five and high tide is at one
fifty one PM with three point ninefeet, so not not a ton of

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water movement, but there is acouple of feet. There is a ton
of water movement in the afternoons intoin the evenings because there's a low tide
at nine forty five at a negativepoint three eight, So that's three and
a half feet of water movement.Wow, that's gonna be a good bite.
And I say that because we're havingsome rain. The rain cools the

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water down. Yeah, the wayit's been you know, Paul, I
talked to you the other day andI said, look, you know,
the morning bite's been decent. Afternoonhas been been tough, right because the
water has been getting so right,it's been getting up ninety five degrees and
this rain is knocked it back aboutsixty six to eight degrees. Really that
much that quick? You got upto ninety five Oh yeah, wow,

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yeah, this that I was onthe uh water this morning. It was
starting at daylight, right before daylight. It was eighty six eighty six point
two. Yeah, that's pretty much. That's that's about where it's at on
the on the Gulf right now.And you know when it when it hits
that ninety something agree watermark, thenfishes don't want to eat. Yeah,
it kind of makes some little lethargicguy. I have an area I've been

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fishing and there's been some really big, big bass in this area and and
about I guess about nine days ago, they just kind of started slowing down.
You don't see them, you know, strike as much, feeding on
feeding on brim, right, AndI watched that kind of gradually go away,
And I've been wondering, is thatthe new Is it from because it
was a new moon or is itwater championships? Get don got to the

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point now They're like, I'm justgonna feed a little bit. Are they
feeding at night? So I thinkI might go out there tonight and this
full moon and you know, aswe're going into the weekend kind of see
if them fish or feeding at night. You know, that's something I get
a lot this time of the year, asking Hey, do you do you
do night fishing? Yeah, youknow, I'm just I'm getting older.
I like to sleep at night andI like to you know, I've done

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none that for sure, But mostof my trips are during the day.
Yeah. I used to early lateright now this time of year. Right,
I used to be big into giggingand all that, and just not
as much anymore. But uh,you know, I would think with it
be in summertime, you know,the bike should be a little better at
night as those water's cool down.And yeah, well, like I said,

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this morning, it was before daylight. It was eighty six. Yeah,
and redfish bite. You know,first thing in the morning's been on
fire. Yeah, And it doesn'tmatter the tide water movement, No,
Trout, you got to have thewater movement. You got to have that
tide moving. And I don't careif the tide movement is at one or
two o'clock in the afternoon. That'swhen you got to be there to catch

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them. Well. And like forus when you know, you and I
spoke the other day, and youknow, I told you trout, I've
mainly still been throwing soft plastics undera popping cork. And now one thing
that that was kind of puzzling wewere trying to figure out. Uh you
know Pat McGriff was on a coupleof weeks ago. Yeah, and he
called me and said where are youcatching him at? And I said,
well, kind of strange today,but I started in four feet. We've

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been catching them that in that fourto six foot mark. And he said,
yeah, the other day, Iwas catching him in that six to
eight foot range. So I pushedout there nothing. So I fished from
four to nine feet of water andit was just picking up one or two
here there. And I told thepeople on the boat us, you know,
I'm gonna try something a little different. Let's push in. We were

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catching our red fish and less thantwo feet of water. Wow, And
I'm like, they should not bein there. I don't know what's going
on. You know, they shouldbe pushed out. Water's hot summertime.
So I pushed in shallower and thetrout was on fire. I mean I
was in three feet or less.Wow. They moved in shallower. Yeah,
So what was your water? Itwas ninety two. I'm like,

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this makes no sense. And therewas a little bit. There was a
fair amount of chop that day,so I couldn't see what was going on.
So when I got done, Icalled Pat. I said, hey,
I told him where I called him. He's like, it doesn't make
any sense. I said, well, one thing, the water was a
little more stained in there. Youknow, the way the way the wind

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direction was in the in the tide, it pushed that stain in and it
was clearer out deeper. Ah.So that was the theory that we came
up with. So I went backout the next day, went to the
same areas, and I couldn't goout early. I actually took the day
off. I had a bunch ofstuff lined up. But a good client
of mine hadn't been in a coupleof years. He's from from Texas,

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right on the Mexico border, andhe has a power line company. Well,
he called me, said, man, is there any way you can
you can squeeze me in this weekend. I need to get two groups out
I need. I got four,four and four. He says, I'm
bringing the crew. I said,well, I'm off Sunday, but I
got an obligation first thing Sunday morning. I couldn't. I can't beat at
your dock till probably ten o'clock.Yeah, So we got out there.

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Pat was already out there fishing,you know where. I told him I
was catching him and and he's thathe caught some quality fish, but he
wasn't right there where IB was hatbut he was in that same depth range.
And uh so we got in there, same area we caught him the
day before, and it was itwas slick. I mean it was slick
as class. Well then I wasable to see why they were in there.

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It was bait everywhere. Yeah,not to say it must have been
some bait. Yeah, I thinkit didn't be shallow right now. Yeah.
Yeah, there was ballely who therewas glass meadows. There's pinfish.
We haven't seen bait like that allyear, we all summer and uh,
I just couldn't see him day beforebecause it was too rough. But it
makes sense that day we caught troutthere, redfish, jack cravelle, blue

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fish. There was there was tarpingin there. I mean it was the
dolphins came in, so everything waswanting some of the little snacks. Oh
yeah yeah. And you know theother thing I contributed to it was an
area with a lot of depth change, structure change, or I should say
surface change. So when you don'thave a lot of water movement, that

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you're gonna get that water movement therebefore you will anywhere else. Just like
you guys see that's right, youknow, like you're gonna you're gonna get
some more you know, in theup in the river than you are gonna
be on the kind of on themain lake. You know, if they're
they're not pulling much at all,it makes a big difference, right,
So you know you got to keepthat in mind. And and uh,
you know it changes daily for usin the summertime, especially like this rain.

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Yeah, you know that water dropssix eight, even sometimes ten degrees.
You know it's fisher moving, Yes, right, they're moving. They're
moving to wherever that that debate's movingto because of that drop. Yep.
Yeah. And as as far asscylloping right now, it's it's been.
It's been really good this year.You get finding plenty of them. Oh
yeah, thirty minutes getting Now,is that clean? Five gallons or is

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that no? So you're allowed twogallons per person in the shell? Okay,
got you. I don't even knowwhat the cleaned. I think it's
uh a pine or something that.Yeah, but you're not cleaning on the
boat. I'm just curious some peopledoes. I don't encourage it because you
start cleaning them on the boat andyou throw the shells back in. That's

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chump's going to track bait fish.Bait fish is going to attract bigger fish.
Bigger fish is going to track evenbigger fish. We definitely don't want
to do that. We've got peopleswimming around though, No, not at
all, you know, and youknow, we we've talked about it before,
but the lack of boating safe boatingetiquette this time of the year is

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astounding. Have you been having someissues. Yeah, there's just people they
not honoring a dive flag. Youknow, that's a big thing. What
are the rules on that? Soin the open water like the golf it's
three hundred feet from a dive.Within three hundred feet of a dive flag
you have to idle, or onehundred yards rivers. I can't remember what

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it is on the river. Ithink it's one hundred feet. I'd have
to look. So you don't quoteme on that, but you can look
it up on FWC website, myFWC dot com and is FWC monitor that
kind of something and we'll write ticketsfor oh yeah. Yeah. The problem
is that we don't have we don'thave enough resources for them to be out

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there all the time. Yeah,you know, so that that's something that
you got to be mindful of.You gotta, like, I keep my
head on a swivel when I havepeople on the water. We're past the
fourth of July crowd when it reallygets crazy. But still I mean that
you're not allowed to run or drivewith a dive flag up. Every day
I'm seeing people leave dive flags up. Wow. Yeah, it's it's pretty

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wild. Yeah, it's uh,it's crazy. We don't have too much
of that problem upon on the lakewhere I'm at, not too many dive
flags. No. And I watchedone guy. So I was going out
with some friends of mine and hewas in front of me, and I
know, you know the rules ofthe road. Yeah, you know,
if you if you have a boatcoming to you know that you're on course

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for a collision and you're red light. They're looking at your your red navigation
light. They're supposed to stop.That's right, you have the right away,
that's right. Most people don't knowthat, right, Well, they
just don't know. Well he thoughtthis, and so he was he was
going to keep going because he knewit. You know, we talked about
it right before. The other peopledidn't know. They were in a pontoon

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boat and they weren't backing off.And I'm like, oh my goodness,
you got someone's gotten to do something. You know. So even if you
know the rules of the road.You have to assume that the other people
doesn't. Yeah, and you knowwe had to learn those from getting our
captain's license, and you know youdon't. I never was getting my captain's
license to go on the ocean.I get seasick. So I'm not going

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to do that. Now, flyfishing, I can do that. That'd
be great, but not out onthe ocean. And so when I was,
I don't A lot of that stuffyou learned, you don't really use
day to day. I just,you know, like you say, you're
supposed to be a defensive driver,right, I'm definitely not. On the
boat. Well, I'm observing ofwhat's around me, because it's amazing how

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people I don't think they they justnot. You know, the faster you
drive the n'arrow, your vision hits. That's right. Well, let's hold
that thought. We have to goto break and we will pick it back
up and we're done. All right, everyone, Welcome back to the Big

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Ben Outdoor Show. Before we wentto break, we were talking about boating
safety and I have a question foryou, Captain Paul. You know,
with you on the lakes, there'sa lot of navigational hazards on the lakes,
isn't there? Yes, they canbe definitely on your inland lakes.
You like Lake Seminole, you haveit's made up of three three parts.
You have the Chattoochie River, theFlint River, and Spring Creek. Spring

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Creek is actually full of standing timber. And we have a there's a cut
run through. It's it's smart withthe red and green poles. It's just
cut right through the middle of thecreate. We call it I seventy five.
And now there's like off ramps goingoff of ice, you know what
I mean. I can go toa couple of places going, you know,
to the Flint River. You canturn and go out to the Flint

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River. Now, do you haveany advice for anyone who has never been
there. Maybe there's a some maps, maybe there's a mapping program for a
GPS system something you may recommend.Yes, I it depends. You know,
a lot of your mapping now dependson what electronics you have on your
boat. Lawrence uses c map orare uh navi ONYX. I use humming

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Bird, which is lake Master mapping, and and lake Master is very detailed
for you know, one foot youknow, break lines, and stuff,
and really you can you can colorcode your map for certain depths, which
really helps when you're fishing and whereyou can see where the deeper water is.
But most of the Onla someilar likeon the Flint River Arm, you've
got sections of the lake that's floodedtimber, patches of flooded timber, and

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you kind of if no one's everbeen there for I would suggest stay in
the channel. But one of thethings that I do, the services that
I provide is when someone's coming downand bringing a boat, they're going to
be there for three or four daysor a week, I'll get in their
boat and actually make them trails sothey know where they're going in confidence.
Oh that's that's great. Yeah,it makes a makes a huge difference.
You know, if I'm going toa strange lake I've ever been to because

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I fish tournaments around it, andif I'm going somewhere, I want to
know how to run the lake soI don't have to waste no time,
right you know what I mean?Oh, yeah, that's what I want
to know. Yeah, I cancatch forg got to catch a fish.
I want to know how to Howhow do you know what's the best way
to run this lake right. Andthe other side of that is these mapping
programs, if you learn how toread them and you study them, you'll

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catch more fishes based on that alone. Absolutely. I mean if it shows,
if it shows standing timber, youknow, yeah, that's right,
you got that's definitely got you gotsome cover. And uh, you know
this time of year, being inthe summer, a lot of your fish
are starting to move out deeper onledges, like on Lake Talquin. And
if you can see where the riverchannel ledges are bending, or where there's

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high spots. You got a fourteenfoot flat and there's like a spot that
comes up to maybe as big asa as a basketball court comes up to
ten foot, Well, that's athat's a dining room table for the fish
to get up on special when theshad I get on it, you know,
that's right. And just like kindof stuff you want to look for.
Yeah, just like fishing the river. You know when you're when you're
looking for catfish, the bends ofthose rivers are your deepest hole. Yeah,

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you're you're outside bend, that's right. And there's different times there where
on a river they'll move on tothe to the inside bends. Yep.
Usually in the winter, with moreflatter they get more sunlight. You know
what I mean. Oh yeah,it kind of affects how the what the
fish are doing depends on based onseasonal patterns. That's right. Yeah.
I don't do as much freshwater fishingas I used to, but you know,

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I still enjoy it. I lovea river like we talked about before.
Yeah, especially in the summertime youget out, get out of that
sun. Yeah, that's right.And I tell you what, because you
know, you have a little bitof shade longer lake. Yeah. And
I don't have a top on myboat because people just they'll hook it and
everything. You know, when I'mout there scalping, I'll take an umbrella,

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like a big patio umbrella, andI'll put it up when I'm fishing.
Just you get too many people slinginghooks and it's they're going to hook
my top. Yeah, absolutely,you know. And so a few years
ago I took a guy fishing thatwas actually uh he was one of the
founders of a cancer society and hestarted it because he had melanoma and it
was he's ninety I remember ninety one. Or ninety three years old and went

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out fishing with me and he startedtelling me about it. He's like,
hey, I was covered up exceptfor my hands in my feet. Yeah,
you know, I had shorts on. And he said, you know,
some of the top places for skincancers right their hands and feet.
Yeah. I tell you what,I'm fanatical about that. When I was
younger, I went down and fisheda lake and fished with a man that

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was a guy for you know,thirty forty years and I noticed he didn't
really have any more lips. Hisears were kind of you know what I
mean, you can tell he's beenin the sun a long time. And
I'm like, man, I don'twant to have that happen to me.
So I'm a big believer in sunblockfor sure. I mean, it makes
a huge difference. I'll put iton so thick it's you can tell it's
on, you know what I mean. And then I wear the hat that

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kind of get provided shade, andI like using a Sunday afternoon hat man.
And I'll tell you what, Igot one of those this this summer,
and it's like it's amazing the differenceand how cooler that hat is.
And I've you know, there's thisbigger hat and I've used them before other
other other name brands. I don'tknow if it's just the material. There
be hot you get man, youget that, you need to try a

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Sunday afternoon. I have very impressive. That's very impressive. That's what that
guy wore. And he's still veryimpressive. Right. And I wear you
know, Tommy Copper makes these likesleeves for compression sleeves because I tweaked my
elbow fishing a chatter bait when manhurt for like six months where I ever
got it kind of held up.So I've been wearing them ever since.

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And what I get from that issun sun protection from that, and then
I wear gloves. The only thingsshowing on my is just the tips of
my fingers. And I'll wear longpants as long as I can, but
I realize that staying covered you actuallyare cooler. And you know, I'm
on I can take water, dipmy hat in the lake, take water
and put it in I'll keep apicture in my boat. I'll just pour

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it on me and I'm staying stayingcool. Yeah, And then you get
that breeze that that that blows onthose those wet and definitely wear cutting right.
Yeah, I mean I wear Iwear like the Columbia Yeah, long
sleeve fishing shirts, and I dowear shorts this time of year, but
I have I still wear foot flopsfrom the mouts skyfa. You know.

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For my I always wear socks eventhough it's this time of year, and
I wear I wear I wear burkingstocks as you've seen, and I wear
them with socks. And when I'mout there on the lake because that sun
is shining right down on the topof your foot, and my feet don't
hardly ever get hot. I keepthem covered up. Yeah, And you
know, fishing, I do,like I said scyllopon, I'll wear a

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foot oh yeah, yeah, becauseI'm in water. You know. I
actually just got a pair of Columbiafishing shoes. Yeah. It's hard to
find good, good fishing shoes thatfor a boat that have support. Yeah,
and that's what I struggle with.And you know, out there out

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there on the flats, you knowit's more times than not you're going to
get some splashed over the boat andyou're you're gonna get wet. So I
want something that's gonna dry and andyou know, like those Columbia shoes they
flush the water out the vents,you know. But I've struggled over the
years to find someone's support. Butthey're starting to get better and better.
Yeah, you know, the latestones I just got, they have support

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in them. And that's makes abig difference. Oh yeah, because you're
standing a lot, right, youknow, when you're when you're out there
and when you're standing up casting fishingand you're on your feet a lot.
Yeah, and before I was strugglingto find that balance of something that would
dry quick and something that would havesupport. Yeah, you know, and
you don't have the support your kneesand your back feels it, and you

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know, we're out there a longtime. So that's that's something else that's
important. And you know I usedto be one hundred and fifty pounds heavier,
so it was even magnified more though. Yeah. Absolutely, Now you're
just floating around. Yeah, Soyou know, there's a lot of a
lot that goes into safety too,because you know, you need that aqua

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traction that you know that to havethat that traction whenever it's wet, and
you know, so a lot ofsafety stuff you know you fish drops,
you know, flops on the boat. You know, you've got to get
that cleaned up, and you know, just stuff that we take for granted
every day we don't think about,you know, especially trout or slimey as
could be. Yeah, yeah,they sure are. But so you know,

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kind of just want to talk aboutsafety now an interesting thing and you
know, maybe you can answer this. In the inshore salt water World,
Lrance Simrad Larance is really rose tothe top because of some aftermarket mapping options.
Yes, garment garment has always beenbeen pretty Yeah didn't they popular?

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Did they buy navionics or well two, yeah, you can use navionics.
But the biggest thing is, uh, there's a mapping program out there called
Florida Marine Tracks, and there's anew one that has a similar It has
satellite imagery overlay with salt trails runand all that. So that's what has
brought Semrad and Laurance up. ButI noticed in the freshwater world, Hummingbird

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is is seems to be the morepopular. Yeah, you know that,
and that's lake Master is what youuse with Humber and you can use navionics
in a in a h So it'skind of some same thing. It's it's
their internal mapping that they have,and it's really they're very most all of
them an hour really detailed. Butthe lake Master is what I like to

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use now, I personally because Ifished one lake for a long time.
I've got on my lorance. Ihave actual trails where I've actually I drew
it out right, and that's whatI use that for, like sand bars.
You know, if it's four footon top of it and on one
end at seven foot, I gotit drew out, or I've drawn it
with my trollo motor and save thetrail I can make pull up, make

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a cast because nowadays with GPS witha head and sensor, you can cash
directly right you know, right whereyou're casting. Makes a huge difference.
Yeah, I had a huge difference. Oh yeah, yeah, I didn't
know if maybe it was you know, down imaging side imaging. Maybe it
was better on humming Bird in thefreshwater world versus the flats or you know,

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I use a Garmin for Livescote.I find it to be out of
the two of the three major brands. And I'm talking about Lawrence Hummingbird,
right Garman. I really like Garman'sloscope. That's probably that's head and shoulders
above the rest as of right now, that could change. I've used Garment
and Lorentz. Yeah, and youknow, Lawrence is pretty good too.

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I have both Laurence and Garman andthey're good. But you can he seems
like with a Garment I can tweakit a little bit more. I can
really dial it in. Yeah,I was Warrant seems to be more.
Laurence seems to be more plug andplay. Yeah. And you know they
just came out this past year witha with a new one, the second
version on the Lorentz Active imaging.Yes, active target to yeah, active

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target that's what I think. Whereit's so you can see a little more
distance. That's right. But we'llwe'll pick this back up after this break.
All right, everyone, welcome backto the Big Bend out Doors Show.
And we were talking about some livescope active target stuff before we left,

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and during the break, Paul,you were talking about you like to
help people with that or you offera service of helping people that. Would
you like to share that? Yes? I would. I tell you one
thing I've learned about electronics is whenyou go into whatever place in buying without
research, people, people don't reallyknow what they're getting. And I partner

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with a buddy of mine, SeminalMarine Electronics, and what we do he's
a world class installer, And whatwe do is we will take a person
out and show them the difference betweenlike a humming bird, a garment,
and a lawrence and let them beeducated so they're making an informed decision when
they go. Because these things areexpensive. Oh yeah, you know what

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I mean. You're looking, youknow, anywhere from two to five grand,
and you know, a lot ofthat's based on, you know,
what you can afford. But youwant to be educated, and you don't
really find that in the industry there. They just are selling product and people
know. I've been in a lotof different boats where people come and I
teach them how to use their electronics, how to get the most out of
them, and how they're rigged.The power supply they get is it's it's

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really there's not a standardized way yetto get the most out of them.
It makes a huge difference. Yeah, And I've been with a couple of
people that has had either the garmentLivescope or the Lorent's active and I tell
you, I actually I have beenwith four people now, and at first,
you know, I thought one wasbetter than the other, and then

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I come to find out as settings, you know, because I went back
with one person that had one brandthat I didn't like it first, and
then I went with another one andI liked it. And then I went
back to that guy and he said, hey, I learned how to adjust
these settings. Yeah, And whata difference. It makes a huge difference
because you know what, I've probablynow got about twenty five hundred hours with

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Losco because when I'm guiding, I'mnot fishing. I'm looking at that helping
the customers. It's all about them, you know what, I mean,
to catch fish, and sometimes Ihave to show them out to cast and
do all that, but primarily I'mnot going to fish, and so I
got Livescope for me to have somethingto do keep me engaged, you know
what I mean, honest, AndI've learned what's really neat about that.
Yeah, you can catch fish actuallythrowing out there and watching a minute,

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But what the most important value oflifscope is is fish behavior, Right,
That's what I've learned. It's reallyneat, Like the other day. I
had a trip this past week andI had a customer man. We were
not getting bit There was no activity, none of the no birds of prey
were flying around, and I wason look at my lfescope livescope. Everything
was deep. That's why the birdsain't flying around. They don't waste no

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so they kind of know what's goingon. They don't waste no energy.
I'm like, we're gonna have todo some flipping, you know, punch
through some thick cover to get somebikes. He says, well, I've
never done that. Let's go tryit. First place. We went to
a guy called like a six poundor It was awesome. We never called
one like that before. Is thatIt was cool? Yeah, that's awesome.
I haven't done that in the years. Yeah, I haven't bass fished
and who probably fifteen years. Yeah, you know I actually just went out

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and just targeted bass and I needto do it. Yeah, I'm definitely
gonna have you come up this fall. Like I had a trip this morning.
It was boy, it was slow. It's just you know, it's
just slow right now, I think, and it kind of gets a little
hit and missing. But I thinkit's cause the water temperature. But the
person did have a chance for agiant today too. So yeah, it's

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uh this time of year, that'swhen everyone wants to fish. And I
explained to everyone, Look, it'stough. Yeah, you know, I'm
not gonna lie to you. That'sright. We're going to catch fish.
You know, we're going to catchfish more than likely. Now, I
told you about that group that camewith me with a power line company.
You know that morning we went outthere and we caught some good fish,

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you know, and everyone caught thered fish. We caught plenty of trout.
And I told him, I said, man, this water is heating
up fast. I mean it wasfast. It went from eighty six degrees
to ninety four points. Wow.Well what time? I went out at
ten o'clock in the morning. That'sthat's when I could get there. It
was about ten thirty by the timewe got out, and it was eighty

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six degrees and we came back init was about five o'clock. It had
already climbed that much. I meanit was hot, but I was fishing
shallow. I remember, I wasfishing shallower in normal, So of course
it's going to heat up faster,and I told him, I said,
man, you know, I understandyou want your son to catch a red
fish. I said, this isnot good. And so when I when

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I got back to the dock,he said, I because he was going
to come back out with his son, and then one of their other workers
and then one of their customers thatwas on the morning trip, and the
two of them said, oh,we're going to stay back. You just
take those two guys only target redfish. And I went back out there.
I hit every spot where we've beencatching them. Nothing. I mean,

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do you think those fish have movedor do you think they're just the same
areas as just not They were there. We could see them. I mean
they were there, they just wouldnot. Yeah. And I bounced all
over the place and I'm like,and these are guys that've been with me
a bunch, They've caught a tonof red fish with it. They know
that I can, I can geton them. And we got out there

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and he finally hooked up on oneafter I mean two and a half three
hours of straight grinding. I meanwe were we were throwing spoons, we
were throwing other baits, and itwas it was a grind, I mean,
and he hooked up on one.It was it was probably close to
forty inches. I mean it wasa big fish. Wow, and lost

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it right at the boat. Isay right at the boat. It was
about it was about eight feet outand it's the hook pulled out, you
know, it was. It washeartbreaking, you know. And I think
too. You know that you seenfish when they are real aggressive and they
just choke it, you know,I mean, they eat it good.
Then there's times when it's they getfunky. They just kind of half hit

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it. Yeah, but you hookthem and you get them coming. They
a reaction bite, yeah, justkind of reacting to it. Yeah.
And that's what I think was goingon because we've seen a lot of fish.
They just were not eating. Andso I took them back to the
dock at dark. I mean Istayed out as long as I could,
trying to make this happen. AndI told wand I said, ma'am,
I'm sorry we didn't get anything.And I said, you know, we

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could have went and caught trout,but they specifically wanted red fish. And
like I said, those red fishwere in shallow That water went from I
mean what eight and a half ninedegree water temperature swinging one day. Oh
yeah, have you ever red fishedat night? I have? Oh yeah?
And uh actually I told them,I said, you know, it

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might be able to stick around andcatch some. But they were playing on
big cook out. They had somesteaks and they were throwing some of the
red fish on the half shell onthe grill we caught that morning, and
they weren't worried about it. Theydidn't care. I cared. I'm like,
you know, I felt defeated.I was defeated, but you did
have an otunity too for a bigone. Oh yeah, you know what

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I mean. Yeah, But that'sthat's how it is this time year.
That's right. That's right. Andyou'll have some days where it's you're like,
man, you know ever where yougo to biiten. Then you'll have
those days where you're like, arethey still fishing the lake? Or they
they all come turning around squirrels andwent up on the bank or they But
that's just that's just part of fishing. That's why they call it fishing.

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That's right. And that's exactly whatthey said. I apologize. Like,
so they've been with me numerous timesand and Uh. You know, I
tried to. I tried to say, hey, don't don't pay me for
the second trip. You pay mefor the first trip. I only took
two people back out for another twoand a half hours, you know,
don't don't worry about it. Yeah, trying to do the right thing.
Oh no, no, you youspent your time. Which yeah, I

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was happy with the first trip.You know, you know, give back
a little bit because they've been withme so much. I mean, this
guy would literally call me at threeo'clock in the afternoon from South Texas right
on the border, say hey,I'm I'm coming tomorrow. You got an
opening? Yeah, yeah, soI have that to you. I know
what you're talking about. I tellyou it's and you know, I've learned,

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you know, I always tell peoplethe truth. If I think the
bike slode. I just had aperson called once to go in August.
Now, it could be a goodday, but it's definitely going to be
brutal, you know, and uhonce that sun gets up, and so
you know, I give them theopportunity of fish in the morning and then
come and stay at my place andthen we'll you know, come in you
know, ten whenever we you feellike you needs bringing his eighty four year

(32:29):
old father, so we want tokeep him out there in that heat all,
you know, So come in thengo back out in the evening,
you know what I mean. Makeit a day. It's just gonna make
it. We're gonna split it up. I call them split days, and
especially that's good for this time ofyere. Yeah, and that's something I
do too. Yeah, unless youget some cloudy, rainy weather, not
bad lightning, you can step outand that that's when that can get fun.
That's what I was about to say. You know, this time of

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year, the way that our weatheris, you know, man, you
let it. You get ahead ofa storm, you know, like Tuesday,
Wednesday morning, I was out therescoping. We met out fishing.
We would overreck them, oh yeah, absolutely. And I thought they were
gonna bite good this morning, andthey did. They showed themselves a little
bit more this morning they have beenbut and just lost them coming to the
boat. Right. Yeah. Butyou know we got a we got a

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full moon, especially today when theshow's Aaron Yep. Yeah. Well those
full moons are good for the saltwaterbites. I mean we get a lot
of tide movement, yeah, youknow, and this time of year,
especially, like we talked about withthe with the water, typically your incoming
tide this time of year is betterbecause it's pushing that that cooler water that

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from out deeper in out right.And so especially like where I've been fishing,
that shallower stuff, that cooler watercoming in though you know, those
fish will be there now an outgoingtide, you're it's pushing that warmer water
from the shallows out right. Sotypically you can in the saltwater world,
you can transition and follow those thosefish with the tides. This time of

(33:59):
the years, it's more dramatic.So where they might move, let's say
in the spring fall, where theymight move three hundred yards from one staging
area to another staging area during thetide transitions this time of the year,
it might be a mile, youknow, because the difference in water tips.

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You know. But the interesting thingis, I went in yesterday.
I went and bought seventy pounds ofblue crab. A friend of mine,
he's a crabber, and he's like, hey, you know, I got
to get rid of these. I'mpulling my traps today and tomorrow. I
got something for sale, you know, he put it on Facebook. So
I called him. I'm like hey, and he's like, yeah, i'll
hook you up. Got a killerdeal. So I went and got seventy

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pounds of blue crab. I wastalking to him. He's been getting them
in the creeks, and he's like, man, I don't understand this,
but this time of year, I'mseeing a ton of red fish in the
creeks. I don't fish the creeksthis time of year. Yeah. Yeah,
So I got to think myself,well, it must be that they're
in there for cooler water in thesespring fed creeks because a lot of these
these creeks are fed out of thesprings from you know, coming from the

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woods. Same thing with some ofthe rivers. So it makes sense.
I mean, you have a springfed creek versus ninety four degrees on the
flats. Yeah, I mean,I mean, I think about me,
I'm not gonna sit there in adirect sunlight when I can go right there
and get under a tree that's you, you know what I mean. Oh
yeah, well we'll get back tothis after all. Right. Everyone,

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welcome back to the Big Ben OutdoorShow. And uh, you know,
we were talking before. I wastelling you how the crabber told me that
he was seeing red fish in thecreeks, and so now I've got to
go try it. Oh absolutely,I bet you're gonna catch them too.
Yeah, I would think so,and it makes sense, you know.
And then it made me think aboutyou know, I told you I was
catching this fish in shallow It mademe wonder if those fish were either coming

(35:57):
in back out to the flats,or if they're going into the creeks,
you know, looking for that differentchange in water temp. Yeah, because
you know, when you got toolor water like that, you know,
it just makes sense the fish aregoing to go to it. I know,
up on our leg when you havesprings, you'll have your stripers and
bass, and we'll get in thosesprings, especially this time here. Yeah,
and I know some of those fishwill probably stay in there year round

(36:22):
and we just don't fishing. Butyou know, just like if I push
out right now ten twelve feet ofwater trying to catch black sea bass on
some rock piles, you know,I'll catch some trout out there. Are
they out there because it's summertime andthe water is so hot in or do
they stay out there. That's aquestion I have because I don't. I
don't go out there any other time. Yeah, well, so I'm sure.

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I'm sure there's some that just stayout there. You know. It's
not like there's a fence up andthey can't move, right. You know,
I've been out in eleven feet ofwater and see a school of one
hundred red fish. When I'm catchingred fish in a foot of water.
Yeah, well, yeah, theyhave tails, they'll move, that's right,
and miles that's right. Sometimes theydon't open them like the way we

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experience. You know, it thathappens, you know, But uh,
you know a lot of I findtoo. I noticed a lot of times
a fish it's just their mood.They don't They're still there, They're just
not they're just not feeding. Well, it's like timing. Yes, Like
I told those guys the other night, I said, do you eat when
you're when you're hot? I mean, if you were sitting in ninety four

(37:27):
degree temperatures all day long, areyou gonna eat? Yeah, you're not
gonna eat near as much? Yep. I mean they got to eat eventually,
fail. Yeah, But I knowwhen I'm outside working and it's hot,
or I'm on the boat. Youknow that sun blaring down on me.
I don't eat as much as Iwould. No, No, yeah,
you're colder, you eat, Butthat's right, that's right. But

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uh, do you experience anything likethat? Like h like what I was
saying. You know, we'll goout to ten twelve feet of water to
try to target black sea bat andthere'll be random trout out there. You
ever experience that like in the inthe lakes or yeah, you know,
especially with the bass, you'll haveyou'll have there's a resident fish that are
always shallow, but you'll have youryour schools a fish that it seems like

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they will move out to deeper waterbecause you know, you've been swimming and
you can your feet will feel cool, you feel the water, how the
water cools, and they'll definitely usethat. But it's all really all about
the bait. Like we've got fullmoon this weekend, there'll be brim bedding.
Those bass will know that and they'llcome in to feed on them brim

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even though the water temperature is hot, especially if you have a lake that's
got a lot of vegetation, becauseyou have more it creates a lot of
shade and it makes you have fromthe oxygen in the from the grass.
That's why I like in the summertime. I notice when you're fishing a grass
lake, specific to my hydrilla,they'll be on the edge, but they'll

(38:58):
be out from the edge because atnight it can and I don't think it
lets as much auction. And asthe day, as the sun progresses and
as a day, they'll go upunderneath that cover and you can you can
catch them, you know, fishingfishing water or fishing punching a bait through
the grass. Well, like yousaid, fish don't have eyelids or sunglasses.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.And then in the springtime, you

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know, ease around a shallow warand you'll see there's a there's a seven
eight pounder and they're just cruising aroundall the brim beds. Likes want to
happen this weekend, they'll be they'llbe big bass cruising those brim beds and
it'll be middle of the day andthey're just cruising around and they'll decide to
go get them one when they getready. Yeah. I remember one of
the last times I went bass fishingwas on the Wasisa River. Have you

(39:44):
ever been on there. Yeah,that's a pretty place too. Yeah,
and uh, you know, thewater's cool there obviously a year round,
but man, it's so clear.You you better if you spot them,
you better stay back and you betterbe a long cast. But you talk
about a beautiful river and there's alot of bass on it, sure are.
I have a buddy of mine thatfishes down there and he's called a

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bunch of bass down there. Yeah. You just you have to have the
right boat. Yeah, that vegetation. Yeah, you know, with an
outboard, your average outboard, you'regonna you're gonna struggle in it. Yeah,
that's right. But so where haveyou mainly been fishing? Mainly up
on Lake some and on and uh, I've been fishing on the Flint River

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arms of Lake. I fished thewhole lake. I've been fishing or the
river comes or the river actually comesin. And I'm really keen on the
grass that's the greenness and growing.This year. Our lake stayed muddy until
about a month and a half ago, and the grass is not near to
the height that it that it shouldbe. And it's because of the muddy

(40:49):
water we had this year. Andwhere you can find the right, grass,
and that's where you're finding your bait, and that's where getting some bikes.
Yeah, you know, we Ithink we talked about this before,
but a big section of our coastlinewhere I typically fish, last year we
had so much rain that stayed thewater states so dark. We lost a
lot of grass because the sunlight couldn'tget through. That'll do a number to

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it. Oh yeah, and likeyou talked about, that affects the oxygen
in the water, you know italso. You know, one thing about
our coastline is you know, wehave the largest sea grass of the state,
you know, and that's just abig filter, that's right. So
now that section with that grass gone, you get the current flow in and

(41:36):
out it it just gets murky quickand it's not holding the fish that it
used to be. That's that wasone of my I guess you'd say key
areas. I mean I relied onthat area year after year, and it's
dispersed those fish. So have before, Yes, with this grass to come
back probably two years, two tothree years, and environmental conditions yeah yeah.

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Luckily this year, you know,we haven't had the amount of rain
like we did last year was crazy. Yeah, And that water just stayed
so dark. This year, wehave more sunlight in there, so I'm
starting to see some of this grassgrow back. It didn't it didn't kill
off the roots right oh, youknow, so it's going to come back
right now. A couple of yearsago, we had some sea urchins come
through it eight I believe the UFsurveyors that went out there biologists estimated three

(42:32):
thousand acres of sea grass that waseaten by sea urchins. Wow, you
know, and I started tracking them. You know, when I saw them,
I marked them. And the reasonI marked them is because the trout
were right on them. I don'tknow why they were there, but the
trout was in that area, soI marked it and thirty days later they

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had already eaten three hundred yards I'msorry. Ten days later they ate three
hundred yards. Wow. But Itracked it across if I remember, it
was thirty days and then I contactedour our UF representative, Victor Blanco,
and I said, Victor, youknow, these urchins are wiping out a

(43:14):
lot of grass. Said, uh, we we need some help. And
I don't know if you remember readingit, but Port Saint Joe went through
the same thing. Urchins, youknow, and they did. They had
a sea urchin round up. Iwas like, we need one here,
we're losing a lot of grass.So they went out there and they did
a survey and I actually took themout and some other people took them out,

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and you know, I was trendingeverything, how how far they had
travel. And they came back.He says, look, we're not gonna
do anything about it. They're allgoing to die at the same time and
they're at the end of their lifespan. I thought, this is crazy,
you know, I don't need that. Yeah, I don't know he did,
but I can't remember at this point, but he was right. They

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all died about the same time.Well, then a year goes behind the
grass is not growing. I'm like, you got to be kidding me.
Well this year that's coming back.Yeah, I was. I was concerned
though, because it created this likeu mossy looking algae stuff that was growing
there, and I was worried thatthat was going to block the sunlight from
getting to the new growth. Butit's coming back. Yeah. So we're

(44:21):
very fortunate to have a very healthyecosystem. You know, our seagrass beds,
so I have no doubts those areaswhere we lost grass is going to
come back, but we got toprotect that. Yeah, absolutely, And
and you know with it seems likeon freshwater, especially lakes some and all
it's muddy water and you know,you get environmental conditions that truly affects the

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grass and it's that can't get sunlight. But right now we haven't had a
lot of rain. We'll be gettingthese afternoon showers, but the lake's not
muddy, right, and hydrilla growlike six inches a day. Wow,
So it's I mean it really earlytake off and there can there can be
issues around people's docks. You know, we're trying to and that's a an
organization called Steward's Lake Seminole or whatwe put together a program to help combat

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that. But we haven't done anykind of spray our chemicals on the main
lake. That's all done for themuddy water. Yeah. So do they
do any spring on the lake,Yes, they do, they do some.
There's a drip system going on inthe in Spring Creek right now that
the government's doing and that's a tryingto knock back some of the hydrillicals as
you get towards the upper end ofthe creek, it was just solid.

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You know, Hydrill is an invasivespecies, but it's every lake that has
hydrilla is a great fishery. Itsfishing. Yeah, it gives them plenty
of places to hide, you knowwhat I mean, you know, and
it makes a big difference. Butwhat we were having problems with is something
called Cuban bull rush. When HurricaneMichael came through that spread that stuff and
it's really it's a looks like yardgrass and it floats and it will cover

(45:58):
a whole area and it doesn't getany sun. Like the waterfowl doesn't use
it in those areas, don't don'tcome good for spawning, you know,
for for brown bass, whatever itmight be. And that that's been an
attack is to go after that thelast couple of years, and it's it's
starting to make a difference. We'refixing the run out of time here.
But uh, how can people getahold of you? Well, they can

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I tell you what, man,it's it's it's the time of year where
you can get a big fish,but you's got a deal to heat.
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