August 24, 2024 • 46 mins
This is the Big Bend Outdoors Show with Joel Baldree
Original Airdate 08.24.24
Today's guests include: Captain Paul Tyre, Captain Tanner Schwabb, Captain Kenny Mullins, and special guest Dale Bessey
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Original Airdate 08.24.24
Today's guests include: Captain Paul Tyre, Captain Tanner Schwabb, Captain Kenny Mullins, and special guest Dale Bessey
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the Big Bend Outdoor Show with Joel Baldry.
Today's guest include Captain Tanner Swap, Captain Paul Tire, Captain
Kenny Mullins and special guest Dale Bessie.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Here's your host, Joel Baldry.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
All right, guys, welcome to the Big Ben Outdoor Show.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
We've got Captain Paul, We've got Captain one night, ain't
Kenny no more?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
We got Tanner back. Thank guy. Kenny's gone on a
road trip. He's gonna be calling in a little later
on the show. Tanner.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
What we got going on, man, with our tides and
everything that's coming up weekend.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
Brother Saturday, it's gonna be high at six am, it's
gonna be a three point seven. It's gonna be low
at one thirty in the afternoon there it's gonna be
a point too. So it's a good bit of war movement.
And it's gonna be high again at seven seven thirty
in the evening. Twenty percent chance rain. But that's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yeah, that's not bad here in the summertime still. Now,
we've been dodging them hurricanes here lately. They've been turning
the last one turning it when up, you know, to
be mutilated for them. But yeah, I didn't need another
one in Florida this year.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
One of year is good enough for us. That's right,
Captain Paul. How's your area doing on the on the
fishing and everything, weather.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
The bit, you know, this time of year, this morning,
this kind of this is when he gets slow. But
I'm starting to see things that's showing me some some
Uh it's that fall feeling in there, seeing a lot
of dragonflies and when you start usually that starts in
middle of September, we start seeing a bunch of that,
and I'm seeing that already, so it's kind of interesting.
I'm gonna be on the water this weekend and I
almost see if they're biting.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
How's the water clarity?
Speaker 6 (01:33):
In a water clarity is decent? We we you know,
it's not near as money as it was early in
the spring. The water levels down now about what we're
about a foot and maybe a foot and a half
below full pool. They're not generate much water. We have
much rain above us at all, so they're only put
letting out about nine thousand. But you know that top
water bite this time of year. What will happen when
we start getting those shorter not those those shorter nights,
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you know, longer nights that water starts cool down just
a little bit and that'll that'll start a fall feed
and that's when it gets fun.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Have they had any tournaments or got any outcoming tournaments?
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Nothing major, no big tournaments you know, coming up, but
there's a I think there's a couple of small ones
this weekend.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
No.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
I've actually got a man bringing me him and his
sons coming down. He's thirteen year old getting into bass fishing.
So I'm hoping every bidy and I got it because
you get an opportunity to get a kid that gets
into fishing, you know what, you've seen it, and man,
you get them on some top water bike, you could,
you could get them hooked for life. And that's I'm
hoping they're painting this weekend.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. You know, we got some
wild stories. We're gonna talk about a little bit about
the gator hunting.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
Oh, I'm that's what I want to be. I've been
seeing some biggings up there. Yeah really, and it's starting,
I think when up in my part the end of this,
it's already been guys telling me. They've got some tags
this year.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Oh yeah, it's been it's been a while, three or
four nights. This is gonna be good. Yeah, man, I
don't I don't know the fishing sho slow down a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I mean, the red fish bot in our area is still.
I mean it's We went over the other day just
playing around, scouting for gators and through in a couple
of holes in the mouth of the creeks and you know,
it was almost high tide at that point, but we
still managed to you know, get a red fish limit whoy. Yeah,
in a few minutes. It didn't take long to get them.
You know, the trouts still. You know, I'm hearing from
people three to four foot of water.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
You know, as long as it's rain, you know, blots
of rain, and we ain't getting a lot of floods
that we're gonna be alright with a trout bike coming
on in. You know, as it colder, as it gets
you the more they're going to push up in them creeks.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
So I'm it's kind of excited about that because now,
last year they didn't start really getting good till about December,
and I'm you know, I'm hoping that if we don't
get much rain like we did last year, you know,
they'll move in, you know, sooner than around November.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, when it starts dropping.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Ten Yeah, that's what Kenny was saying last week, that
the water has been kind of stained and he's trying
to trying to move towards a little bit clear water.
But have you noticed it's starting to clear up any.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
No, not in our area.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
It's it's even kind of tea colored, you know. That's
what you're in Saint Mark's and it's real bad between
all sailing and Ecoffini.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I mean, it's just nasty. You can't see, you know,
ten inches.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
And that's all that order coming out of the swamps
and stuff coming out of the water draining out.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
It's it's catching up with us. Our rivers a little
high right now.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
It ain't out the banks or nothing, but the Ecofinni
and as Silas kind of on just you know, probably
a foot below the bank. But it's still high. It's
moving quick, you know. Yeah, but it's coming on out.
And like I said, the way hot as it's been
and everything, it won't be no time another week or two,
we'll be back, you know, the water levels will be back, right.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
We don't get a bunch of rain coming down. I
don't see any of the forecast the next ten days.
But you know, with this front, we just had a
little front come through. We ain't go much rain from it.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
I know.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
That's and that was a good that was that was
a real good thing. We was out there, you know
the first night getter hunting. Tanner got a little spook
on Sea Hall, but that wind was whooping right.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
There were.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You coming in? I said, I'm good right now, I said,
you know, but we'll be in a little bit. Well.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I kept watching it and it was funny. You could
see it thundering and lightning back the doors Mars and
then you could sit at the orch Perry, So it
was kind of like it started right here and it's
slowly wait. And I looked at it on the radar
and I finally got my phone to work, and it
was like as it was coming to us, it was
just breaking up. Yeah, and I finally disappeared, so it
got calm as a whistle. But I mean, that's just
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how the weather plays in Florida.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Man.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
You don't never know. And you and you got to
be serious about it. It's like, you know, he got
spooked about it and trying to understand it because I
don't like lightning either, And I kept telling them, guys,
I said, it gets closer right here to boom.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, we're gone.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
How far are you all away from the hill from safety?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Probably my own? I mean we went far. We were
just you know, messing around. That's what I told him.
I sold, we're gonna keep an eye on that. I said,
it breaks up, and you know, discip this. I can't
even say that word, you know what I mean, Yeah,
this discipline discipline. But if it does that, you know,
we'll stay out here. I said, But if I hear
you know, you could tell that it was far off
still because you sit the lightning, but never would hear
(05:53):
the thunder.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
Well, I had a uh, there's a gut there at
the lake with an air boat. He said, Man, that
wind gets blowing this big old fan ax like a sail.
That wind and just push you.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Oh that yeah, that cage, it ain't nothing but a sail.
I mean, you think that it wouldn't be like that
with all the holes in the cauch, but it does.
And you get out in that deep water turning around,
especially wintertime winds out the north, and you got there
in the deepest part of the river or creek and
you got to turn around and one good gus to wind.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
If you ain't careful, it'll a toughy over.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Really wow.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, it a dip and that's the end of it.
That's what a lot of people don't realize. They get
an airboat and just want to drive it and think
they're good with it. But it's it's all about you know,
the wind and everything else of you controlling that thing.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And when you get on that.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Mud you don't let off, well, you know your mind's
telling you to let off, but you don't need to
let off. You need to get get on the gas
harder to you know, to turn or whatever, because you
may be running up on oyster bars right there and
you're trying to get away from them as you turn,
and you still just slide into wargum wow wow. So
you got to lay into that pedal and get on bound.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
I remember several years ago I was I was fishing
around Fort Scott Island up there on nexton on came
came around a point on a flat and there was
an airboat just a top of the fans. It sunk
and sticking out the water. It's been there a while,
like it'd been there a while too, but someone went
and got it.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
It's it's definitely challenging trying to get you know, one
of them pumped out.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
You know, the best way to.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Really get is that, you know, you got to pull
it to pull up the land right there and pump
it out that way to float.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
What do you got to say that?
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Oh I'm here too, Oh forget, Yeah, that's all right.
I know you're a little tired from chasing the tail.
It's all right. Hey, uh so you know, just talk
about all this airboat stuff and everything. I just want
everybody know out there, just listing that it's rare. Don't
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feel like it's going to happen to you, because it ain't.
These guys are experienced airboaters. They know what they're doing.
So if you choose to bring your family out for
an airboat ride or go out with one of these guys,
you ain't got to worry about. It's no different than
going out with Captain Paul in that big bass boat
he's got. So it's all good stuff, that's right.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
We all pay attention to the weather. I'd rather be
show up early to the hill than late and caught
in it. You know what I'm saying. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
It's not a good feeling at all when lighting is
popping around and you can't do nothing about.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
It, and nowhere you can run to. I mean, you
can probably stack people on top of you.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
I had some archaeologists that were doing some work on
Fort Scotte Island last summer and I called him. I said,
y'all need to be at the spot where I'm picking
you up because the storm's coming. I got there and
they wasn't there. I said, sorry, gotta go. I went down,
went in to cut and man, it came through there.
I got behind a bank. I looked out to the river.
The rain was going parallel and the wind was fifty
(08:45):
sixty miles an hour, and you can't but I got
to beat up and I was fine, but got away
from it. Then went back and got them.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You know what a lot of.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
People don't realize now, these guys, Tan or Joel, they
worked the golf. Yeah, they're down on the big water,
that's right, and they're.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
In the golf.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
You working Simon On Talclin. Well, let's talk about Simon.
How many acres is that?
Speaker 6 (09:06):
Thirty six five hundred.
Speaker 7 (09:08):
Okay, let me tell you about an ocean. Okay, when
you start moving water and that wind starts shaking that lake,
it's no different than being in the gulf.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Yeah, that's right. I've seen when it blows from blows
up the flint or up to the Chatthoochee river side
the lake. Man, I've seen four and five foot ways,
and that's big for a lake, you know. But no,
I just you always want to air on, specially, you know,
especial when we got customers in the boat. I'm onna,
I'm onna, I'm gonna always air on. Safety first. Safety
(09:38):
comes first.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's absolutely right, That is right them. Tanner said, the
wave is getting bad in the river. There were four
and five foot.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Which I said. It was like, yeah, that's a big
difference there, Joel, he said.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
You come it in. I was like, well, not right
this second. Right everywhere we had the tides layer, so
we ain't getting up with a little.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Chopped But he had been out there for what two
hours before I'd even got there. So by the time
I got there in the river it was almost you
didn't want to go out.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Oh yeah, that's and that's a bad feeling when you
get up there to the dock at the Oscilla and
then the docks pushed up, so you know it's a
it's a super tide because we had that full moon
and everything, so you just like it's a waste.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Of time going out looking for a gator at that point.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I mean, it's it seems like you would go there
on a high tide and you swept down to ain't
no gators, and then all of a suddenhen that tides
dropped or negative, you'll see all kind of gators.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I mean, it's just a difference.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Well, question on these gators. When you're hunting gators obviously
down on the coastline like that the salt water, when
you hunt them obviously in Siminoal or talking or wherever
they're fresh water, can you taste a difference?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
No, not all.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
You can't taste the difference, but you can tell the
different it's uh and their teeth. The gators out there
on the coast, they'll have the whitest, pearly white teeth
you've ever seen. And all the ones that come out
of the lakes and rivers are all stained and brown
and red.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I guess it looked like yeah, that one, yeah yesterday
that we killed he was he had black teeth, really
solid and he came out of the fresh water.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, that's crazy. How big was he?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
He was seven and a half, but he had a bobtail.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
He was over eight.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
He was missing like six foot of tail something like that.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Six can go a lot of tail.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
We visited, Uh, when we come back from the breaking
a little bit, we got a you know, a minute
to go right here. But we come back from the break,
we're gonna we're gonna tell some stories about some gators.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
It's gonna be good right here. Yeah it was. It's
pretty excite, and the first couple of nights anyway, then
it leveled out after we got all the kinks worked
out from the hunters.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
We ain't gonna say his name, but it starts with
a beating. I think his last name is Ward. He
was he was the highlight of the show the first
night and he uh, you know, you do you do
everything right? Well, he did it one hundred and twenty
percent right. He was giving it his off. What these
guys working on we got to go to a quick
commercial and we'll be right back talking to you all
(12:13):
about some gator hume.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
All right, guys, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
We're gonna start with mister Tanner about how his first
gator trip went.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Yeah, so last Friday night we went out on the hunt,
and I had two buddies from Oklahoma down and one
had been with me before and killed a gator, and
the other hat and he'd never really been to Florida
on an airboat or seen the marsh or anything, so
with a full brand new experience fore. And we rode
around for a couple hours and it was actually the
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tide was out too low and you really couldn't get
into any creeks or anything or really where you wanted
to be where we find them at. So we kind
of hung out for about an hour. The tide roll
back in and we started out, uh, just riding the
coastline there, you know, And sure enough we found one
out the flats rolled up on him and when we did,
he sunk down, and we just I have a big
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light rack on the front of my boat that light
up the bottom like a gigrail, and he stands on
the front with a harpoon and there he is laying
right there on the.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Bottom and he's sticking.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
He takes off and you know, the buy comes off
and uh we circle back around him and put a
second harpoon in him, put him up there and bangsticking,
And it was that.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
That one was pretty textbook. We didn't have any Shenanigans
or anything.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I beg was that one.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
He was eight eight.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
I've never been gator hunh legally.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Legally it's a long time.
Speaker 7 (13:44):
But you're using harpoons. Oh yeah, oh okay, I thought
they use like trouble hooks and rods and rills.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Do that too?
Speaker 7 (13:51):
Oh yeah, all that stuff on the boat.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Okay, everything's got a scenario.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
But when you're out there in the flats and they
close to a wash or whatever, you want to get
something in quick at spots. That way, you can back
up and punt or whatever you got to distract.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
You want something in him.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
But that harpoon, when you him with that harpoon, it's.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
In there, and then you can back up and punk
because he's got that bulley hook to him. You get
your stuff sick. Yeah, you want you want to. I mean,
sometimes you ain't got time to think it's just like
deer hunting. You act. You got to react, and you
got to react carefully enough. Everybody's safe, but at the
same time, you got to get the gator kill.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Oh you have a gator hunt?
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Uh No, I don't do it. But I tell you what.
I get calls every year about people wanting to go
and I always tell them that I send them to
someone else. I don't. I don't. I just don't, never
have done it. I see him out there a lot,
you know what I mean. But I noticed this when
this when the season starts up there in about three
or four days after it starts, you don't see them
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and it's hard to see him. Like it's like they
know when season it's you know what I mean, Even
gators kind of get accustomed to watch.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, Like we was talking about.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
You laying out there at night with lights everywhere, looking around,
and then all of a sudden they are.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
You know what I mean. Yeah, they get pressure on me.
Just like killing a big buck.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
You know, you move in most of the time nine
times out of ten, and when you kill a big
buck is most of the time you walked in there,
found his sign and you hung a stand up day
and killed him that afternoon or that next morning. You
get to going in there every day that scent gets
in there. He knows something right, something's out the ordinary.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
It's just like that gator. That gator goes to hearing
a lot of noise carrying.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
That's what's happened. That's why, and that's you know they
see they see all that and hear it. I mean
they they the same way. And one of them big gators,
just like a big Boone and Crockett book, they disappear
and you won't see him the rest of the season,
and all of a sudden season ends.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Boom, there they are, come right back. It's happened.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Noise, Yeah, that's nighttime noise.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
The noise with their brother missing. Well, yeah, yeah, gone,
what happened?
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Yeah, buddy of mine, that I fit god for fishing
several years ago. He got a thirteen and a half
footter up there. He's got several over. He got several
over twelve and a thirteen and a half.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
And see them gaiters up there.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Honestly, ain't pressure like ours on the coast and stuff
because so many people hunting down there.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Really now, yeah, they and up there, they just they
used to him as they used to bass fishing, fishing
and stuff like that. I mean, you'll see them. I'm
sure they'll pop up right side of the boat, won't they.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Oh yeah, absolutely. Ever once in a hunting season, then
they seem like they till the season comes in, they
don't seem to do that as much.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
But that's because everybody's pushing them, you know, sitting there,
messing with them with you know, with the harpoons, or
trying to snatch them or yeah, you know, just doing
all kind of different stuff to them.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
And they they sense that.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Now, like I said, they don't get forty or fifty
years old, and you know, around when they get nine
or ten foot long, that's how old they are, you know,
around forty five years old. So they gain a lot
of experience dealing with different humans over the years. And
the almost way they get that big is being smart.
When they little right there, you drive right up on
them and grab them, you know, with your hand.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
They yeah, they don't know no better.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
But once they start getting some age on them, you know,
some length around seven or eight foot, they get they
get smart.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
That's the ones that survive.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
An old man and tell you that back in the day,
we used to go waiting and lakes in central Florida,
waiting waiting for fishing.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Oh I thought you spent waiting for gators. Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
No, we'd go we'd wighe the lakes and fish. We didn't.
We were kids. We were young kids, ten eleven, well, no,
we're probably twelve thirteen round in that age. Yeah, But
we'd wigh the lakes and we'd see gats all the time,
and if they come toward us, we'd pick up mussels.
You can feel them because we're barefoot in the lake,
you know, and we'd chunk them muscles. We're doing a
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muscle attack on them. We'd throw them muscles at them.
They go away.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Well.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
And then growing up raising coonhounds and coon hunting and
the swamps at night. Man, I've seen more gators than
I could shake a stick yet, but never had a
problem with any of them time.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Most time you want, I mean, they're they're just scared
of you. The last time you have them coming to
air and uh, harassing you and stuff is people feeding
them out their backyard and stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
And they used to wawa getters.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. And people don't understand that.
You know, you're throwing scraps and stuff out there to them.
If you live on the lake or a river, they
gonna keep coming back. They're just like a dog or cat.
You feed them, they gonna come back and then eventually
they'll be up at your doorstep. Yeah, and snatching you
dog or young and or whatever. I mean, they don't
know no better. They think you're feeding them.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
It's true. There's their brain is the size of a peak.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, that's not very big. It's not big at all.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Matter of fact, you know, it's not You would think
it would be between their eyes, but it's actually a
couple of inches behind their eyes.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Oh go, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
And that's why you always tell people when they hitting.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Them with that bandstick to hit you know, at least
three fingers behind the eyes. And plus you got you know,
their main nervous system right or the spine, and that's
where you really want to hit that. That's game over
right there cuts all ties.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
He's got a horsehoe shape on the back of his head,
and right where those last two scoots meet up to that, it's.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
A soft spot right there by the size of a quarter.
That's right where a spinal cord plugs in his brain
and it's not that.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
Well, I hope ain't no one eating a sandwich right now.
I mean it's this fact, you know. I think you're right.
But that's great information because here's why people that don't,
including myself because I'm from the old school ways of
doing things at night in the swamps. But people that
don't know, that's the most humane thing you can do
(19:12):
for that out yep, for that gator. It's fast, it's quick,
and he's not out there struggling. Yeah, So I mean,
way to go, man.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Well, we always, and I tell everybody the same thing.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
If you get hunting by yourself, whatever, if you get
a good shot on him, always when the first thing
you do is get ahold of that mouth and you
tape it up before you put him in that boat,
because you know, you could stun him right, or you
could you know, shimmed off right or hit wrong. You know,
when you did the bangstick and it could have missed
him rit and has knocked him out. I've seen that
happen several times.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Talk about after you get him back and you skin him.
They stayed. A friend of mine, we picked one up
in the road one time about twenty years ago, and
it had been hit on the head, but it was
I didn't we didn't know it stole live. We threw
it in the back of pickup truck, took home, skin it,
and that me in the tail was wiggling the next day.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah about freaking They'll do it twenty four hours of
what I've been told that it's like a snake man,
keep moving after you cut the head off.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
But like I said, that was twenty years ago, twenty
years ago.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Any game orders listening.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
He's sitting there writing it down right now.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
But yeah, man, it's and you know, if you don't
think you did a good shot, my you know, my
opinion tanneruld probably agree to is when you get him
in the boat, if you've got a big bully knife
or something, go ahead and put it on top right
there that spine where he's talking about, that soft spot
and kind of separated.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
His eyes into a skull.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
And when that water when he when he oppens his mouth,
when that water comes out of his mouth, that means
he's done. I mean, okay, that's his last breath.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Oh we gotta do this man, Okay, we'll go do it.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
We've gotta go out there and get us one.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
It's definitely a side.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
And I can tell you you drilling gets the pumping,
and you want the main thing is you want to
let them experience all the fun, but intend to take over,
you know, just trying to help.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
And you get up there and being a part.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Of It's like I said, it's just like sating for me,
sitting in a stand shooting the big buck with a
bow heart get the racing, collaring back and forth, and
you know, it's just like men Tanner that last one
we helped with the guys the last hunt yesterday and
Tanner threw down there with a hook after we seen
where he went down, but it was in the edge
of a sinkle. But there ain't no way we're gonna
me And him was sitting there dipping her hooks. I said, man,
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ain't no way we're gonna catch, you know, on the
very edge of it. And I was like, it ain't
no way. So I want to throw one time to
see how bad the grass is if we could snatch,
and he's going along there he's like, help, we ain't
gonna be able to do it as grass, and right
before we got it up to the edge of the body,
went to snatch on it again in his line took off.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
He had hooked that gator, yeah, And I said a
whole not.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
So.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I got a big trouble hook and was trying to
hook him right there and couldn't find out where he's
facing because you couldn't see nothing in that water. And
I dropped the hook down a couple irons, and then
I finally said, I think I felt him. I pulled
up on a little bit. He says, is that him?
I said, I don't know. We fin to find out.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
When I snatched, I said, it is him. We went
to fighting, you know, and uh, he got him. He
was wrapping himself up and Tanner. Tanner's back and forth.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
He's like, let him wrap it.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I said, man, I'm doing all I could do right there.
He's doing on everything on his own. And uh, we
get him up there finally and the guy you know
got he with his bainstick and uh in the job
right there. So it was the sighting, right, that was
just the look of the draw. You don't ever do that.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
You couldn't try it again, probably into it.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
There's uh you're talking about being in a lake now.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Now it's in the head of the river. I can't
tell all the secrets right now, get her season. Yeah,
just everybody listening.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
Fishing purpose?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Oh he is that what it was? I tell you,
there's got there's gonna be some good fishing out there.
We ain't fished it yet.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
We're gonna try it, and Paul, you are to come
up there because I think there'd be some baths there too.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
Station.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Oh that's cool, a bunch of lily pads grass.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I mean, it's seemed like a bass would be.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
And take one of them frogs in there so you
can get a big blow up.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
That's what he was saying. He's like, I'd like to
have a frog in here right now. We had to
go on the I can't tell say too much break break.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
About how we had to get through to get there.
It was. It was challenging. I thought it was gonna
get stoked, but we made it through there. But now
we got us a path though, so there you go.
It'll be.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
But yeah, man, the gator hunting right there, like the
last three days and we got you know, we killed it,
wound up killing three more.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Now how many days we all have down there?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Uh, It's like this is the early part of the
season that comes in for a week at a time,
and uh then it goes back out and I can't.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Remember the actual day where everybody.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
In September general season does through the person.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
We got.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Yep, we got to go to a quick commercial break
and we'll be right back with a couple more stories
about the gators.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
All right, guys, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
You know, we had some more gators killed. Of course, Tanner,
are you wanna tell a little bit on your last
trip what you've done?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Would you killed two? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (24:16):
So it was a pretty cool trip. I got to
hunt with j R. Walker if anybody knows who he is.
He owned the store before Joel did, retired and all that,
and he was I was probably sixteen or seventeen years
old one night and I pulled into the gas station
and he was there on his airboat and he had
a big old gator laid on the front of his airboat,
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and I thought, you know, I want to do that
one day. That was one of my early inspirations there.
So it came full circle this year and I was
able to get him to come with me and we
used his tags to take a few guys out and
we went out one of the rivers there around us,
and as soon as we got there, the bottom fell
out a big thunderstorm and built up right on top
of us. So we got delayed like an hour and
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a half. And so finally we got out about ten
pm and we started making a making a trip down
the coastline, you know, and we found one in the
mouth of a creek, about nine foot and we harpooned him,
rolled on him, harpooned him, and put another harpoon in him,
killed him pretty textbook. And by the time we cut
everything off of him and pulled him in, the tide
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was coming in a little bit and another gater swam
in the creek with us. Can't you can't tell anything
about him out there in the dark except his eye
of all. So we get everything squared away, get the
new rig on because we're there out to fill two tags,
and start going toward him. I just idling to him,
and he's out on a sand bar. I can see
he's up above a sand bar, and I saw all
I can tell, and he sings down about thirty yards
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before I get to him, and I put my guy
up on the front of the boat and he's there
with the harpoon and shut off, and we're just kind
of drifting right toward him. And then I'm standing up
there with him with the spotlight and right there on
the bottom of the sand bar you can see his
whole silhouettes.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
So about it.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
He was between ten and eleven foot.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
He was a good gator and this guy's never gator hunted,
seeing anything like this in his life. And he comes
down and he harpoons him right of the neck. He
takes off, snatches the pole out of his hand and everything,
and we rig up another one and get ready to
stick him again before we even pull on the harpoon
dark because if if it's a good one like that,
you want to go ahead and put a second line
and to ensure that you've got him, you know, So
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we uh, we make a little loop in the airboat
going back toward the buoy that we had just put
in him, and you can see the line on the
bottom tracing at tracing and tracing, and we get to
the end. Up there, I can just see the harpoon
dart laying on the bottom of the sand and it pulled.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Out of him.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Oh so We sat there for forty five minutes to
an hour waiting off and on, and he never he
never surfaced again. I guess he pushed on back up
the creek. And uh so we went a few a
few more miles looking and we ended up finding another
nine footer and we harpooned him, and uh sealed the deal.
Both of those guys. First trip out on the airboat, and.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Two and two and one night, two and one night
the same the same night we had a We had
our troubles too. The first start. We had a nine footer.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
He uh, he harpooned him, but it didn't it snatched
a pole out of his hand, and uh we went
to you know, getting back to the line and it
never never sank anything. He hit him right in the
back and he eat him hard so and it was
a short tip. I don't know what happened, but it happened.
And we was giggling a little bit because you know,
they were down the coast raup there, and we could
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see the moon coming out of the clouds right there,
and all that weather had went around us. We watched
it and it was common as the cucumber over there.
And then it was a storm, and I said, I
was giggling. I said, they're getting a wet butter. They
out there, but they stayed in the truck. They were
smart about it. They waited it out, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, but it was some bad lighting in that storm.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, we should have had two that night, but you know,
just stuff. Everything could go wrong that night it went wrong.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
And you know the big getter that we got up on,
he was right at ten foot he uh, he disappeared
on us after we tried to harpoon him, you know,
a couple of times. And of course that that's when
my assignment kicks in. I got to say, no more harpooning,
and we fished a hook him and we've been killed.
This gator Tanner ain't out doing us tonight.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
And we go out there where we last sent him
at and where Bryce thought he seen him, and I said,
we ain't here.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I said, see, we done messed around. This gators got
away from us. So I started to power pole down
and just sit there like no, you know what. I
was sitting there with my head down. I was all
upset because we didn't let this one slip. And Bryce says,
I don't you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
He kept turning his light on, scanning the bottom, and
we've done drifted off, I don't know, probably seven or
eighty yards from where we supposedly last seen him, at
where we had it marked, and all of a sudden
he turned his.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Light back on.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
There he is, and he was right in front of
the boat, under the water, under the water. It's like
we drifted right to him. It didn't even mean to,
it was just meant to be.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
So we got a hook. Then we wasn't no more
harpooning at that point. It wasn't working.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
So we hooked up with him right there and you know,
fought him around for a couple of minutes and got
up on him and the guys you sealed a deal
on him. But I'm trying to trying to show that
video Bryce, he actually sent it to me earlier of
the hook in him there.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
It is, yeah, gone fact that you need to put
that on the on this on that's cool right there.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
But yeah, that that was a good gator and the one,
the one that we got after the first time, he
was actually you know, probably the you know.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
You all got two gators and how what time? How
long was you out there for two or three hours. Wow,
the first night.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Now everything could go wrong. I mean, we get up
on gators, everybody, you know, we just couldn't get ready.
He couldn't get up on the right position. And uh,
you know, this was like a little private hunt Bryce
had put on. It wasn't the actual charter, but Bryce
was trying everything he could to help these people out
get a gator. Well, he took over the harpooning and
got in his deep wash and there was a big
gator and he tried the harpooning right there. When he did,
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he rolled out the boat, but it was like instant rewind.
He hit the water and rolled right back in the boat.
I didn't have time to do nothing when he got
back in the boat. I just went to last and
I said, dude, they can't nobody on this boat say
that you ain't gave it one hundred and twenty percent goes.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
You put every effort, and you went beyond the effort.
I would put the killer gator.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
And you know, it's kind of scary at first, but
like I said, the gator wasn't nowhere near him. Well,
you know, and I was right there and everybody was
standing around him, but you couldn't. It didn't have time
to grab him or nothing. That happened so quick.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
That's what everybody's got to learn. To be careful and
just be patient.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Yeah, because if you get it sided to it sided,
you're not thinking right, and that could easily been bad.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
If that had been in shallow water, that'd have been
real bad.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
So, I mean, it's funny now listening to it.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
You know, he'd come back up soaking wet, had his
phone on the side, it's dripping water, and all I
could do was shake my head and laugh. But you
know he learned then, you know, don't deceive the water,
you know, just because you think it might be shallowing
what it is now it was deep, you know. But
he tried, he really he gave everything trying to help
them people out. And you know that's just the all
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part of it though. You sometimes everything goes your way.
And just like you know that gator that we killed,
you know that gator had his name on him, because
they ain't no way in a million years. Once they
you mess with him like that, you won't have another chance.
They won't come back up. I mean, they can hold
their breath.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
What three four hours. Wow, that I know a little
bit about that.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
Ed Frollock was back in the day. There's a TV
show called genleal Ben and Ed Frollock was the stuntman
airboat stuntman for that TV series and uh he ended up.
Him and Francine had a gator farm down in South Florida,
and my family helped move it to Christmas, Florida, and
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they did. They raised gators and still do. It's still
in operation. My friend, his nephews Shane and ho Ho,
I believe, are running it now. And they were my
buddies back in the day.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Uh huh.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
And but anyhow, they got this right across from Gator
Jungle on East Highway fifty there in Christmas, Florida. And
I learned that a gator can go underneath undisturbed and
stay down for six hours.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
They can they can slur, the breathing down everything.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
Yeah, man, that's what they do too. They're heart rate
and everything. But they can go down underneath the water
and be down for six hours. So when you show
up at a pond or something and you don't see one,
that don't mean he's not there.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
It's like my brother in law says, if it's wet
in Florida, there's a gator there.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Let's see here.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
You can see right here, Paul, this is this is
what I do right here when it when it comes
down to killing them, you pull them in. And see
what I first did when I got got him in
the boat. You grab a hold of him, grab him
by the jaw where he can't do nothing, and made
him tape him up. Yep, even though that forty four
bangstick don't play. You just always better be careful and then.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
A little nerve reaction from what I've seen, what we
were talking about with the meat earlier. I mean, I
think it's just a natural thing. Even if they've been shot,
they can still operate them jaws.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, oh yeah, they ain't that doubt you don't.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
And you know their feet, the claws, they you know,
moving around if they if they antsy when you pull
on it like that, that was a stone cold killer.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
He didn't flinch, nothing got him in the boat.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
But you always rapped. You think he's dead, you're gonna
wrap wrap his mouth every time.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah, no matter what nice feet, I didn't do because
he wasn't moving. Now, if it had been one of
them that was flinching around and you know, stand up
and stuff like that. Now do that have a lot
of times with the nerves, I tie their feet behind
their back and you know that tail, you'll watch that
tail insteadily be moving. But like that one right there,
he didn't, he didn't budge. Once we got him in
the boat, he was done. I mean we hit him.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Perfect and it separated everything. Wow. Nice.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
So a lot of gators going on, a lot of
gator getting and you're you're guiding, and right now, what
are you catching?
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Been been fishing for bass? That's what we've been keying
on right now. And so the crappie been catching some
crappie had a trip last week where we we talk
about already croppy and you know.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
I knew you called me I'm a sub phone call.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Yeah I did, and you didn't answer.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
You was busy.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
But y'all ever used that? This day? I had to
use Berkeley golt mina, that Berkeley gulp you know us
that ken he's been talking about for salt order man.
That stuff works right there now? Oh yeah, that And
there's a lot of I mean I threw my other
baits by a tree, and on liscope, it looks like
there's a knot. You know, I'm thinking, I think that's
a fish. I thro over there and I put on
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one of them things over their same cast. I watched
that fish swim off that tree and chase chase it. Crappy,
don't usually go down waitt me called it six seven
foot thumped it knit.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
It you free you free lining that.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Well, I'm casting to it and my watching my bait fall,
and the fish left the stump and followed the bait.
When I went to that Berkeley gaut Mina, well.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
They scented like those salt order ones.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
I think, so yeah, I'm there's some liquid in it.
But I saw you can get them in this jars
just full of juice.
Speaker 7 (34:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yes, that's the same way. It's just like most the
other ones. We use chicken let the chicken that stuff
like that. Even though the worms they got, you know,
you can use them on saltwater or fresh water. They
you know, they recommend them using them both.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
And I thought that was pretty cool that because we
end up catching more on that bait. The only thing
I didn't like about you catch a couple of fish
and be tore up.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yeah, and that's it.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
I like them ones. They can't catch twenty fish.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
That's why we like using z Man honestly, with the
pro cure let or whatever shroud put on there.
Speaker 7 (35:28):
Get that, man, I've got a I got one. I
think it's twenty eight trout on.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Wow. That's good.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
I believe it. I mean, and it's just like we
got to go to a quick commercial. We'll be back.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
And we got a cat and Kenny calling in. Yeah, Kenny, Yeah,
he's up north. Some got fish, Kenny cat fish.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Kenny, Yeah, he's up north somewhere. But y'all stay teamed.
We'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
All guys, welcome back to the Big Men Outdoor Show.
We fished the brain cat and Kenny catfish. Mulleins on
the phone. He's somewhere up north.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
What are you doing, man?
Speaker 8 (36:09):
I am in New Jersey. You just got done meeting
with their Fish and Wildlife Department.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Oh yeah, how's that going going?
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Good?
Speaker 3 (36:17):
What you what you're talking to you about? What kind
of illegal stuff you can do and what you can't do?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
No?
Speaker 8 (36:22):
So, actually I'm up here. We just administered a test
on a tracking dog and they wanted to see how
we did it and helping them with some legislation regarding
tracking wounded game with dogs.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Okay, you ain't trying to teach them how to catch
out laws with dogs, are you? No?
Speaker 8 (36:43):
But they did ask me why I was involved with
an outlaw named Joel.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Uh, well, I know not to go to New Jersey.
Then they are they there?
Speaker 7 (36:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:57):
So how long? What are all y'all doing up there? Besides?
Speaker 8 (37:00):
You know, so I'm done here. I'm uh speaking at
a seminar in Lancaster, Pennsylvania about wounded game recovery with dogs.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Okay, is it illegal up there? Legal? Or I mean,
are they trying to figure out if they want to
pass it to be legal or what?
Speaker 8 (37:17):
So it is legal. The thing with New Jersey is
right now you have to get a license and there's
some testing requirements and and uh, basically it was the
way that it was done. They really didn't understand the laws,
They didn't understand how it all worked. So they requested
for me to come up and and demonstrate how everything
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works and how a dog can stay true to a
wounded game line. And you know, it's pretty neat. I
met with the biologists and been working with the with
the Bureau chief of the New Jersey Fish and Wildlife.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Oh yeah, well, how they liked the uh you know,
the dog working and everything.
Speaker 8 (37:52):
Oh, they loved it. They they kept commenting on how
realistic it was, and you know they were they were
amazed at the distractions the dog could work through. We
laid the laid the test line. I used hose from
two hose from wounded deer and some special shoes and
two ounces of blood on the trail and it had
to sit at least two hours. Just one sat two
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and a half hours, and there was people out there.
We did it in a park because it was kind
of in a city area, and they there was dog
people of dogs walking around out there, running around off
leash all over the trail. And the dog was that
we tested was highly trained, didn't pay any attention to
any of that. I even went across hiking trails and
then I cut down, went through some equipment next to
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an old work trailer and the dog went went right
to it with minimal, minimal effort.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
What dog would you have one of your personal dogs?
Speaker 8 (38:46):
No, this was actually a young a young woman from
New Jersey that just got into this and that's what
brought all this about is you have to test under
a certain organization. And and in New Jersey, the judge
that under that organization has had some health problem hasn't
been able to test dogs. So she reached out to
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me and asked if I could help her out. And
so I reached out to the New Jersey Fishing Game
and the way the legislation was written, it was required
to be that organization. They just didn't have any representation.
So we came up there, showed them what we do
and and they were they were happy.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
I thought you might have been using a little john
for the dog. I wondered how it was doing so
good on the track.
Speaker 8 (39:31):
Now, this particular dog was actually a British lab that
did phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
That's good man, that's good to hear. It's it's gonna
get bigger and bigger. And like I said, I swear
we need to do them them time trials, you know,
like the fox Fox fans right there? Do you know
blood runs, how long it takes a dog look it
out and everything.
Speaker 7 (39:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (39:50):
So when I'm done here in two weeks, I'll be
going to Iowa and doing a seminar there. It just
got legalized two years ago in Iowa of inexperienced people
there and going there to help them out, and then
by then hunting season will be open. I'll be wide
open doing that.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
That's cool. Man. You ain't been doing a fishing lately,
have you.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
I've done a little bit.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
How's how's the water clarity down there around Keaton?
Speaker 8 (40:15):
It's actually pretty clear. You know, it was pretty stirred
up there for a while, but it's it's cleaned up
a lot. We still have some stain, but for the
most part, it's pretty clear.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
That's good. Everybody's still catching a lot of trout and
red fish in three to four foot of water.
Speaker 8 (40:29):
Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm still I'm still shallow on
my reds, but most people's in about three to four
feet on the reds and trout. If you go south
of Heaton, they're out deeper in that six to eight
foot range. The further north and west you go, the
shallow where they get.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
That's crazy how that little bit of difference works. We
probably ain't thirty or forty thirty or forty miles apart
as the cray flies, and it changes that much, you know,
with oh yeah, the depth of them a lot of
people don't believe that, but it really does. You can
be catching them on one thing on one end and
something totally different on the other, and it's just crazy
how it works.
Speaker 8 (41:06):
Yeah, and even right now, just ten miles apart, is
the difference in eight feet and four feet.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Yeah, I know, it's crazy. It's just like a deer.
Deer being rut, you know, on y'all's in and won't
be in you know, till December, I mean September October.
They're being rut around you know, Perry area, and then
the end of December before they go in rut you know,
around Saint Mark's area. It's just weird.
Speaker 8 (41:29):
Oh yeah, true. My next started swelling when I when
I got up here, we landed, it was fifty six
degrees and right now it's it's in the upper sixties.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah. You can't beat that weather. Nice, you're going from
one hundred to fifty six. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Mine's well too. I ain't gonna lie. I'm ready for
that weather man. I'm I'm getting sighted then, you know,
well as I do. When that weather starts dropping, the
fish is gonna push further and further in.
Speaker 8 (41:57):
Oh yeah, no doubt what when Yeah, when you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Have another seminar down here, when you're gonna have one
around Florida area.
Speaker 8 (42:04):
So our next one and Florida is going to be
h March first, and actually we were going to have
Kensey Wheeler performing there and it's going to be Enkiner
in Florida. Oh yeah, yep, right there in the Panhandle.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Right there in the Panhandle.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Can you tell everybody how they can get a hold
of you man, Uh, you know, let him know what
you're doing and what Facebook or whatever to reach you at.
Speaker 8 (42:27):
Yes, so you can, uh, you can find me at
Real Epic Charters dot com. Uh, Real Epic Charters on
social media, and if you're interested in the blood tracking,
you can find me on mull installed Training and American
Blood Trackers dot org.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Heck you, Kenny, Well, it was good talking with your brother,
and you have a safe trip up there and get
back to Florida where it's hot.
Speaker 8 (42:47):
Alrighty, thank you. I'll see you all next week.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
I finally got him. Now we can talk about him.
He's a cat.
Speaker 7 (42:54):
I'll tell you something. I don't know. If I've watched
some Sopranos series, where are they based in New Yeah?
I don't know if I want to fish up there. Yeah,
it ain't no telling what you now, there's a good
reason why they want them dogs up.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Man, right, Yeah, there ain't no doubt they're Captain Paul.
Tell everybody how to get a hold of you, man.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Man.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
They can give me a called eight five o two
six four seven five three four. They can reach out
me on Facebook at Captain Paul tar Fishing.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Come on, Captain Tanner.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
You can find me on social media at Swift Creek Outfitters,
or you can reach me by phone at eight five
zero eight four three two two three five.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
He's trying to hold it in.
Speaker 7 (43:34):
And you can call me anytime.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
What's your number, Paul b R five four nine.
Speaker 7 (43:40):
That's all right, Paul or dell?
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Are you trying to get women to contact you or
what you're trying to do? I caught him out right
there now, Yeah, what does it know? What you was
trying to give everybody your phone number? Four? That's always
trying to figure it out?
Speaker 7 (43:57):
Yeah, I can tell you right now. I mean, if
you look at you need to market your business, you
can call me at eight five o nine to eight
oh three eight nine four.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah, Man, y'all give him a call. He's been real
good to us, helping us with market and stuff. I
just had to I had to throw the wife thing
to shut him up real quick. He didn't know what
to say.
Speaker 7 (44:19):
Yeah, I mean you got me, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Yes, especially when your wife works for a divorce lawyer. Sir.
I wouldn't say.
Speaker 7 (44:24):
Nothing either, man, I tell you what. We're just talking now,
ain't we.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
I'm Captain Joel Baldry.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
You can get a hold of me eight five o
U six seven two two one four three, or I'll
still outlaw charters on Facebook or Jr's ostell A River
Store or my regular page.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
You know, Joel Baldry. Uh, we still got some Gator
tags left available to hunt between men, Tanner.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
So if y'all you know, give us a call right there. Man,
we'll see if we can hook you out and put
y'all on a big gator. And if you ain't never
done it, don't you know you're fine. We're not gonna
let you fall out the boat. We'll be right there
with you.
Speaker 7 (44:58):
Yeah, I mean it's gonna be a safe time. Yeah,
to be a safe, safe trip. And the thing is
to what's going on with Tell real quick, what's going
on with mos?
Speaker 4 (45:06):
It's uh right now it's getting sprayed, the phone installation
and stuff in the roof, and hopefully ac Man shows
up next week.
Speaker 7 (45:14):
We're talking about Moe's restaurant yolks down there by j Rs.
Just incaseion, we're just not talking about mo that lives
on the river and we're talking about restaurant. Got big
improvements going on. Yep, And how we looking there?
Speaker 3 (45:29):
What?
Speaker 7 (45:29):
What what's your timeline?
Speaker 4 (45:31):
I say another two weeks we'll be completely finished with it. Wow,
everything got set behind on the storm with people working
different places.
Speaker 7 (45:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
Sure, we're trying to get everything cleaned up. But uh,
the ac man Tanner's buddy yea from Georgia right there.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
He likes to do a lot of.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Hunting fishing down here with us and stuff, so he's
gonna come help us get the ac going.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
The cool Oh yeah, real cool.
Speaker 7 (45:53):
But once you get that finished up, you're gonna start entertaining.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Yep. We're gonna you know, we're gonna have corn hold
every Friday night.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
We're gonna have you know, all you can eat catfish
on Thursday night, Friday night, maybe a steak night and
Saturday night we might do something else.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
So it's all in the work.
Speaker 7 (46:06):
So came again.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Oh yeah, we're gonna We're gonna have a little bit
of it, all seafood and stuff like that. So it's
gonna be a full blown restaurant now, nice out in
the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 7 (46:18):
I always loved it because it was open air, and
I mean the way you had it and run it
there for a good long time and everything. But boys,
I'll tell you what I know, you'll be happy to
get that air conditioning.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
No doubt. Man.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Everybody's you know, been praising about it, you know, standing
away from a mosquitoes and sand nuts.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
But we have run out of time for this week, y'all.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
I'm glad y'all tune in, y'all, stay tuned on ninety
six five The Spear, and hope y'all enjoyed the show.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Thank y'all you've been listening to The Big Bend Outdoor
Show with Joel Baldring. Join us every Saturday morning at
eight am on ninety six five The Spear and on
demand with the free iHeartRadio app.
This is the Big Bend Outdoor Show with Joel Baldry.
Today's guest include Captain Tanner Swap, Captain Paul Tire, Captain
Kenny Mullins and special guest Dale Bessie.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Here's your host, Joel Baldry.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
All right, guys, welcome to the Big Ben Outdoor Show.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
We've got Captain Paul, We've got Captain one night, ain't
Kenny no more?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
We got Tanner back. Thank guy. Kenny's gone on a
road trip. He's gonna be calling in a little later
on the show. Tanner.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
What we got going on, man, with our tides and
everything that's coming up weekend.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
Brother Saturday, it's gonna be high at six am, it's
gonna be a three point seven. It's gonna be low
at one thirty in the afternoon there it's gonna be
a point too. So it's a good bit of war movement.
And it's gonna be high again at seven seven thirty
in the evening. Twenty percent chance rain. But that's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yeah, that's not bad here in the summertime still. Now,
we've been dodging them hurricanes here lately. They've been turning
the last one turning it when up, you know, to
be mutilated for them. But yeah, I didn't need another
one in Florida this year.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
One of year is good enough for us. That's right,
Captain Paul. How's your area doing on the on the
fishing and everything, weather.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
The bit, you know, this time of year, this morning,
this kind of this is when he gets slow. But
I'm starting to see things that's showing me some some
Uh it's that fall feeling in there, seeing a lot
of dragonflies and when you start usually that starts in
middle of September, we start seeing a bunch of that,
and I'm seeing that already, so it's kind of interesting.
I'm gonna be on the water this weekend and I
almost see if they're biting.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
How's the water clarity?
Speaker 6 (01:33):
In a water clarity is decent? We we you know,
it's not near as money as it was early in
the spring. The water levels down now about what we're
about a foot and maybe a foot and a half
below full pool. They're not generate much water. We have
much rain above us at all, so they're only put
letting out about nine thousand. But you know that top
water bite this time of year. What will happen when
we start getting those shorter not those those shorter nights,
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you know, longer nights that water starts cool down just
a little bit and that'll that'll start a fall feed
and that's when it gets fun.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Have they had any tournaments or got any outcoming tournaments?
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Nothing major, no big tournaments you know, coming up, but
there's a I think there's a couple of small ones
this weekend.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
No.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
I've actually got a man bringing me him and his
sons coming down. He's thirteen year old getting into bass fishing.
So I'm hoping every bidy and I got it because
you get an opportunity to get a kid that gets
into fishing, you know what, you've seen it, and man,
you get them on some top water bike, you could,
you could get them hooked for life. And that's I'm
hoping they're painting this weekend.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. You know, we got some
wild stories. We're gonna talk about a little bit about
the gator hunting.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
Oh, I'm that's what I want to be. I've been
seeing some biggings up there. Yeah really, and it's starting,
I think when up in my part the end of this,
it's already been guys telling me. They've got some tags
this year.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Oh yeah, it's been it's been a while, three or
four nights. This is gonna be good. Yeah, man, I
don't I don't know the fishing sho slow down a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I mean, the red fish bot in our area is still.
I mean it's We went over the other day just
playing around, scouting for gators and through in a couple
of holes in the mouth of the creeks and you know,
it was almost high tide at that point, but we
still managed to you know, get a red fish limit whoy. Yeah,
in a few minutes. It didn't take long to get them.
You know, the trouts still. You know, I'm hearing from
people three to four foot of water.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
You know, as long as it's rain, you know, blots
of rain, and we ain't getting a lot of floods
that we're gonna be alright with a trout bike coming
on in. You know, as it colder, as it gets
you the more they're going to push up in them creeks.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
So I'm it's kind of excited about that because now,
last year they didn't start really getting good till about December,
and I'm you know, I'm hoping that if we don't
get much rain like we did last year, you know,
they'll move in, you know, sooner than around November.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, when it starts dropping.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Ten Yeah, that's what Kenny was saying last week, that
the water has been kind of stained and he's trying
to trying to move towards a little bit clear water.
But have you noticed it's starting to clear up any.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
No, not in our area.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
It's it's even kind of tea colored, you know. That's
what you're in Saint Mark's and it's real bad between
all sailing and Ecoffini.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I mean, it's just nasty. You can't see, you know,
ten inches.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
And that's all that order coming out of the swamps
and stuff coming out of the water draining out.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
It's it's catching up with us. Our rivers a little
high right now.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
It ain't out the banks or nothing, but the Ecofinni
and as Silas kind of on just you know, probably
a foot below the bank. But it's still high. It's
moving quick, you know. Yeah, but it's coming on out.
And like I said, the way hot as it's been
and everything, it won't be no time another week or two,
we'll be back, you know, the water levels will be back, right.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
We don't get a bunch of rain coming down. I
don't see any of the forecast the next ten days.
But you know, with this front, we just had a
little front come through. We ain't go much rain from it.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
I know.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
That's and that was a good that was that was
a real good thing. We was out there, you know
the first night getter hunting. Tanner got a little spook
on Sea Hall, but that wind was whooping right.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
There were.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You coming in? I said, I'm good right now, I said,
you know, but we'll be in a little bit. Well.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I kept watching it and it was funny. You could
see it thundering and lightning back the doors Mars and
then you could sit at the orch Perry, So it
was kind of like it started right here and it's
slowly wait. And I looked at it on the radar
and I finally got my phone to work, and it
was like as it was coming to us, it was
just breaking up. Yeah, and I finally disappeared, so it
got calm as a whistle. But I mean, that's just
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how the weather plays in Florida.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Man.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
You don't never know. And you and you got to
be serious about it. It's like, you know, he got
spooked about it and trying to understand it because I
don't like lightning either, And I kept telling them, guys,
I said, it gets closer right here to boom.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, we're gone.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
How far are you all away from the hill from safety?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Probably my own? I mean we went far. We were
just you know, messing around. That's what I told him.
I sold, we're gonna keep an eye on that. I said,
it breaks up, and you know, discip this. I can't
even say that word, you know what I mean, Yeah,
this discipline discipline. But if it does that, you know,
we'll stay out here. I said, But if I hear
you know, you could tell that it was far off
still because you sit the lightning, but never would hear
(05:53):
the thunder.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
Well, I had a uh, there's a gut there at
the lake with an air boat. He said, Man, that
wind gets blowing this big old fan ax like a sail.
That wind and just push you.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Oh that yeah, that cage, it ain't nothing but a sail.
I mean, you think that it wouldn't be like that
with all the holes in the cauch, but it does.
And you get out in that deep water turning around,
especially wintertime winds out the north, and you got there
in the deepest part of the river or creek and
you got to turn around and one good gus to wind.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
If you ain't careful, it'll a toughy over.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Really wow.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, it a dip and that's the end of it.
That's what a lot of people don't realize. They get
an airboat and just want to drive it and think
they're good with it. But it's it's all about you know,
the wind and everything else of you controlling that thing.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And when you get on that.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Mud you don't let off, well, you know your mind's
telling you to let off, but you don't need to
let off. You need to get get on the gas
harder to you know, to turn or whatever, because you
may be running up on oyster bars right there and
you're trying to get away from them as you turn,
and you still just slide into wargum wow wow. So
you got to lay into that pedal and get on bound.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
I remember several years ago I was I was fishing
around Fort Scott Island up there on nexton on came
came around a point on a flat and there was
an airboat just a top of the fans. It sunk
and sticking out the water. It's been there a while,
like it'd been there a while too, but someone went
and got it.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
It's it's definitely challenging trying to get you know, one
of them pumped out.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
You know, the best way to.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Really get is that, you know, you got to pull
it to pull up the land right there and pump
it out that way to float.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
What do you got to say that?
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Oh I'm here too, Oh forget, Yeah, that's all right.
I know you're a little tired from chasing the tail.
It's all right. Hey, uh so you know, just talk
about all this airboat stuff and everything. I just want
everybody know out there, just listing that it's rare. Don't
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feel like it's going to happen to you, because it ain't.
These guys are experienced airboaters. They know what they're doing.
So if you choose to bring your family out for
an airboat ride or go out with one of these guys,
you ain't got to worry about. It's no different than
going out with Captain Paul in that big bass boat
he's got. So it's all good stuff, that's right.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
We all pay attention to the weather. I'd rather be
show up early to the hill than late and caught
in it. You know what I'm saying. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
It's not a good feeling at all when lighting is
popping around and you can't do nothing about.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
It, and nowhere you can run to. I mean, you
can probably stack people on top of you.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
I had some archaeologists that were doing some work on
Fort Scotte Island last summer and I called him. I said,
y'all need to be at the spot where I'm picking
you up because the storm's coming. I got there and
they wasn't there. I said, sorry, gotta go. I went down,
went in to cut and man, it came through there.
I got behind a bank. I looked out to the river.
The rain was going parallel and the wind was fifty
(08:45):
sixty miles an hour, and you can't but I got
to beat up and I was fine, but got away
from it. Then went back and got them.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You know what a lot of.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
People don't realize now, these guys, Tan or Joel, they
worked the golf. Yeah, they're down on the big water,
that's right, and they're.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
In the golf.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
You working Simon On Talclin. Well, let's talk about Simon.
How many acres is that?
Speaker 6 (09:06):
Thirty six five hundred.
Speaker 7 (09:08):
Okay, let me tell you about an ocean. Okay, when
you start moving water and that wind starts shaking that lake,
it's no different than being in the gulf.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Yeah, that's right. I've seen when it blows from blows
up the flint or up to the Chatthoochee river side
the lake. Man, I've seen four and five foot ways,
and that's big for a lake, you know. But no,
I just you always want to air on, specially, you know,
especial when we got customers in the boat. I'm onna,
I'm onna, I'm gonna always air on. Safety first. Safety
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comes first.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's absolutely right, That is right them. Tanner said, the
wave is getting bad in the river. There were four
and five foot.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Which I said. It was like, yeah, that's a big
difference there, Joel, he said.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
You come it in. I was like, well, not right
this second. Right everywhere we had the tides layer, so
we ain't getting up with a little.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Chopped But he had been out there for what two
hours before I'd even got there. So by the time
I got there in the river it was almost you
didn't want to go out.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Oh yeah, that's and that's a bad feeling when you
get up there to the dock at the Oscilla and
then the docks pushed up, so you know it's a
it's a super tide because we had that full moon
and everything, so you just like it's a waste.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Of time going out looking for a gator at that point.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I mean, it's it seems like you would go there
on a high tide and you swept down to ain't
no gators, and then all of a suddenhen that tides
dropped or negative, you'll see all kind of gators.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I mean, it's just a difference.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Well, question on these gators. When you're hunting gators obviously
down on the coastline like that the salt water, when
you hunt them obviously in Siminoal or talking or wherever
they're fresh water, can you taste a difference?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
No, not all.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
You can't taste the difference, but you can tell the
different it's uh and their teeth. The gators out there
on the coast, they'll have the whitest, pearly white teeth
you've ever seen. And all the ones that come out
of the lakes and rivers are all stained and brown
and red.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I guess it looked like yeah, that one, yeah yesterday
that we killed he was he had black teeth, really
solid and he came out of the fresh water.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, that's crazy. How big was he?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
He was seven and a half, but he had a bobtail.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
He was over eight.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
He was missing like six foot of tail something like that.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Six can go a lot of tail.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
We visited, Uh, when we come back from the breaking
a little bit, we got a you know, a minute
to go right here. But we come back from the break,
we're gonna we're gonna tell some stories about some gators.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
It's gonna be good right here. Yeah it was. It's
pretty excite, and the first couple of nights anyway, then
it leveled out after we got all the kinks worked
out from the hunters.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
We ain't gonna say his name, but it starts with
a beating. I think his last name is Ward. He
was he was the highlight of the show the first
night and he uh, you know, you do you do
everything right? Well, he did it one hundred and twenty
percent right. He was giving it his off. What these
guys working on we got to go to a quick
commercial and we'll be right back talking to you all
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about some gator hume.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
All right, guys, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
We're gonna start with mister Tanner about how his first
gator trip went.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Yeah, so last Friday night we went out on the hunt,
and I had two buddies from Oklahoma down and one
had been with me before and killed a gator, and
the other hat and he'd never really been to Florida
on an airboat or seen the marsh or anything, so
with a full brand new experience fore. And we rode
around for a couple hours and it was actually the
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tide was out too low and you really couldn't get
into any creeks or anything or really where you wanted
to be where we find them at. So we kind
of hung out for about an hour. The tide roll
back in and we started out, uh, just riding the
coastline there, you know, And sure enough we found one
out the flats rolled up on him and when we did,
he sunk down, and we just I have a big
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light rack on the front of my boat that light
up the bottom like a gigrail, and he stands on
the front with a harpoon and there he is laying
right there on the.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Bottom and he's sticking.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
He takes off and you know, the buy comes off
and uh we circle back around him and put a
second harpoon in him, put him up there and bangsticking,
And it was that.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
That one was pretty textbook. We didn't have any Shenanigans
or anything.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I beg was that one.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
He was eight eight.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
I've never been gator hunh legally.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Legally it's a long time.
Speaker 7 (13:44):
But you're using harpoons. Oh yeah, oh okay, I thought
they use like trouble hooks and rods and rills.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Do that too?
Speaker 7 (13:51):
Oh yeah, all that stuff on the boat.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Okay, everything's got a scenario.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
But when you're out there in the flats and they
close to a wash or whatever, you want to get
something in quick at spots. That way, you can back
up and punt or whatever you got to distract.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
You want something in him.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
But that harpoon, when you him with that harpoon, it's.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
In there, and then you can back up and punk
because he's got that bulley hook to him. You get
your stuff sick. Yeah, you want you want to. I mean,
sometimes you ain't got time to think it's just like
deer hunting. You act. You got to react, and you
got to react carefully enough. Everybody's safe, but at the
same time, you got to get the gator kill.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Oh you have a gator hunt?
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Uh No, I don't do it. But I tell you what.
I get calls every year about people wanting to go
and I always tell them that I send them to
someone else. I don't. I don't. I just don't, never
have done it. I see him out there a lot,
you know what I mean. But I noticed this when
this when the season starts up there in about three
or four days after it starts, you don't see them
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and it's hard to see him. Like it's like they
know when season it's you know what I mean, Even
gators kind of get accustomed to watch.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, Like we was talking about.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
You laying out there at night with lights everywhere, looking around,
and then all of a sudden they are.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
You know what I mean. Yeah, they get pressure on me.
Just like killing a big buck.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
You know, you move in most of the time nine
times out of ten, and when you kill a big
buck is most of the time you walked in there,
found his sign and you hung a stand up day
and killed him that afternoon or that next morning. You
get to going in there every day that scent gets
in there. He knows something right, something's out the ordinary.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
It's just like that gator. That gator goes to hearing
a lot of noise carrying.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
That's what's happened. That's why, and that's you know they
see they see all that and hear it. I mean
they they the same way. And one of them big gators,
just like a big Boone and Crockett book, they disappear
and you won't see him the rest of the season,
and all of a sudden season ends.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Boom, there they are, come right back. It's happened.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Noise, Yeah, that's nighttime noise.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
The noise with their brother missing. Well, yeah, yeah, gone,
what happened?
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Yeah, buddy of mine, that I fit god for fishing
several years ago. He got a thirteen and a half
footter up there. He's got several over. He got several
over twelve and a thirteen and a half.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
And see them gaiters up there.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Honestly, ain't pressure like ours on the coast and stuff
because so many people hunting down there.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Really now, yeah, they and up there, they just they
used to him as they used to bass fishing, fishing
and stuff like that. I mean, you'll see them. I'm
sure they'll pop up right side of the boat, won't they.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Oh yeah, absolutely. Ever once in a hunting season, then
they seem like they till the season comes in, they
don't seem to do that as much.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
But that's because everybody's pushing them, you know, sitting there,
messing with them with you know, with the harpoons, or
trying to snatch them or yeah, you know, just doing
all kind of different stuff to them.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
And they they sense that.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Now, like I said, they don't get forty or fifty
years old, and you know, around when they get nine
or ten foot long, that's how old they are, you know,
around forty five years old. So they gain a lot
of experience dealing with different humans over the years. And
the almost way they get that big is being smart.
When they little right there, you drive right up on
them and grab them, you know, with your hand.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
They yeah, they don't know no better.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
But once they start getting some age on them, you know,
some length around seven or eight foot, they get they
get smart.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
That's the ones that survive.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
An old man and tell you that back in the day,
we used to go waiting and lakes in central Florida,
waiting waiting for fishing.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Oh I thought you spent waiting for gators. Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
No, we'd go we'd wighe the lakes and fish. We didn't.
We were kids. We were young kids, ten eleven, well, no,
we're probably twelve thirteen round in that age. Yeah, But
we'd wigh the lakes and we'd see gats all the time,
and if they come toward us, we'd pick up mussels.
You can feel them because we're barefoot in the lake,
you know, and we'd chunk them muscles. We're doing a
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muscle attack on them. We'd throw them muscles at them.
They go away.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Well.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
And then growing up raising coonhounds and coon hunting and
the swamps at night. Man, I've seen more gators than
I could shake a stick yet, but never had a
problem with any of them time.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Most time you want, I mean, they're they're just scared
of you. The last time you have them coming to
air and uh, harassing you and stuff is people feeding
them out their backyard and stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
And they used to wawa getters.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. And people don't understand that.
You know, you're throwing scraps and stuff out there to them.
If you live on the lake or a river, they
gonna keep coming back. They're just like a dog or cat.
You feed them, they gonna come back and then eventually
they'll be up at your doorstep. Yeah, and snatching you
dog or young and or whatever. I mean, they don't
know no better. They think you're feeding them.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
It's true. There's their brain is the size of a peak.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, that's not very big. It's not big at all.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Matter of fact, you know, it's not You would think
it would be between their eyes, but it's actually a
couple of inches behind their eyes.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Oh go, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
And that's why you always tell people when they hitting.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Them with that bandstick to hit you know, at least
three fingers behind the eyes. And plus you got you know,
their main nervous system right or the spine, and that's
where you really want to hit that. That's game over
right there cuts all ties.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
He's got a horsehoe shape on the back of his head,
and right where those last two scoots meet up to that, it's.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
A soft spot right there by the size of a quarter.
That's right where a spinal cord plugs in his brain
and it's not that.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
Well, I hope ain't no one eating a sandwich right now.
I mean it's this fact, you know. I think you're right.
But that's great information because here's why people that don't,
including myself because I'm from the old school ways of
doing things at night in the swamps. But people that
don't know, that's the most humane thing you can do
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for that out yep, for that gator. It's fast, it's quick,
and he's not out there struggling. Yeah, So I mean,
way to go, man.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Well, we always, and I tell everybody the same thing.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
If you get hunting by yourself, whatever, if you get
a good shot on him, always when the first thing
you do is get ahold of that mouth and you
tape it up before you put him in that boat,
because you know, you could stun him right, or you
could you know, shimmed off right or hit wrong. You know,
when you did the bangstick and it could have missed
him rit and has knocked him out. I've seen that
happen several times.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Talk about after you get him back and you skin him.
They stayed. A friend of mine, we picked one up
in the road one time about twenty years ago, and
it had been hit on the head, but it was
I didn't we didn't know it stole live. We threw
it in the back of pickup truck, took home, skin it,
and that me in the tail was wiggling the next day.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah about freaking They'll do it twenty four hours of
what I've been told that it's like a snake man,
keep moving after you cut the head off.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
But like I said, that was twenty years ago, twenty
years ago.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Any game orders listening.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
He's sitting there writing it down right now.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
But yeah, man, it's and you know, if you don't
think you did a good shot, my you know, my
opinion tanneruld probably agree to is when you get him
in the boat, if you've got a big bully knife
or something, go ahead and put it on top right
there that spine where he's talking about, that soft spot
and kind of separated.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
His eyes into a skull.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
And when that water when he when he oppens his mouth,
when that water comes out of his mouth, that means
he's done. I mean, okay, that's his last breath.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Oh we gotta do this man, Okay, we'll go do it.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
We've gotta go out there and get us one.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
It's definitely a side.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
And I can tell you you drilling gets the pumping,
and you want the main thing is you want to
let them experience all the fun, but intend to take over,
you know, just trying to help.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
And you get up there and being a part.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Of It's like I said, it's just like sating for me,
sitting in a stand shooting the big buck with a
bow heart get the racing, collaring back and forth, and
you know, it's just like men Tanner that last one
we helped with the guys the last hunt yesterday and
Tanner threw down there with a hook after we seen
where he went down, but it was in the edge
of a sinkle. But there ain't no way we're gonna
me And him was sitting there dipping her hooks. I said, man,
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ain't no way we're gonna catch, you know, on the
very edge of it. And I was like, it ain't
no way. So I want to throw one time to
see how bad the grass is if we could snatch,
and he's going along there he's like, help, we ain't
gonna be able to do it as grass, and right
before we got it up to the edge of the body,
went to snatch on it again in his line took off.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
He had hooked that gator, yeah, And I said a
whole not.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
So.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I got a big trouble hook and was trying to
hook him right there and couldn't find out where he's
facing because you couldn't see nothing in that water. And
I dropped the hook down a couple irons, and then
I finally said, I think I felt him. I pulled
up on a little bit. He says, is that him?
I said, I don't know. We fin to find out.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
When I snatched, I said, it is him. We went
to fighting, you know, and uh, he got him. He
was wrapping himself up and Tanner. Tanner's back and forth.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
He's like, let him wrap it.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I said, man, I'm doing all I could do right there.
He's doing on everything on his own. And uh, we
get him up there finally and the guy you know
got he with his bainstick and uh in the job
right there. So it was the sighting, right, that was
just the look of the draw. You don't ever do that.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
You couldn't try it again, probably into it.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
There's uh you're talking about being in a lake now.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Now it's in the head of the river. I can't
tell all the secrets right now, get her season. Yeah,
just everybody listening.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
Fishing purpose?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Oh he is that what it was? I tell you,
there's got there's gonna be some good fishing out there.
We ain't fished it yet.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
We're gonna try it, and Paul, you are to come
up there because I think there'd be some baths there too.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
Station.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Oh that's cool, a bunch of lily pads grass.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I mean, it's seemed like a bass would be.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
And take one of them frogs in there so you
can get a big blow up.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
That's what he was saying. He's like, I'd like to
have a frog in here right now. We had to
go on the I can't tell say too much break break.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
About how we had to get through to get there.
It was. It was challenging. I thought it was gonna
get stoked, but we made it through there. But now
we got us a path though, so there you go.
It'll be.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
But yeah, man, the gator hunting right there, like the
last three days and we got you know, we killed it,
wound up killing three more.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Now how many days we all have down there?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Uh, It's like this is the early part of the
season that comes in for a week at a time,
and uh then it goes back out and I can't.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Remember the actual day where everybody.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
In September general season does through the person.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
We got.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Yep, we got to go to a quick commercial break
and we'll be right back with a couple more stories
about the gators.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
All right, guys, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
You know, we had some more gators killed. Of course, Tanner,
are you wanna tell a little bit on your last
trip what you've done?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Would you killed two? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (24:16):
So it was a pretty cool trip. I got to
hunt with j R. Walker if anybody knows who he is.
He owned the store before Joel did, retired and all that,
and he was I was probably sixteen or seventeen years
old one night and I pulled into the gas station
and he was there on his airboat and he had
a big old gator laid on the front of his airboat,
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and I thought, you know, I want to do that
one day. That was one of my early inspirations there.
So it came full circle this year and I was
able to get him to come with me and we
used his tags to take a few guys out and
we went out one of the rivers there around us,
and as soon as we got there, the bottom fell
out a big thunderstorm and built up right on top
of us. So we got delayed like an hour and
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a half. And so finally we got out about ten
pm and we started making a making a trip down
the coastline, you know, and we found one in the
mouth of a creek, about nine foot and we harpooned him,
rolled on him, harpooned him, and put another harpoon in him,
killed him pretty textbook. And by the time we cut
everything off of him and pulled him in, the tide
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was coming in a little bit and another gater swam
in the creek with us. Can't you can't tell anything
about him out there in the dark except his eye
of all. So we get everything squared away, get the
new rig on because we're there out to fill two tags,
and start going toward him. I just idling to him,
and he's out on a sand bar. I can see
he's up above a sand bar, and I saw all
I can tell, and he sings down about thirty yards
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before I get to him, and I put my guy
up on the front of the boat and he's there
with the harpoon and shut off, and we're just kind
of drifting right toward him. And then I'm standing up
there with him with the spotlight and right there on
the bottom of the sand bar you can see his
whole silhouettes.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
So about it.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
He was between ten and eleven foot.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
He was a good gator and this guy's never gator hunted,
seeing anything like this in his life. And he comes
down and he harpoons him right of the neck. He
takes off, snatches the pole out of his hand and everything,
and we rig up another one and get ready to
stick him again before we even pull on the harpoon
dark because if if it's a good one like that,
you want to go ahead and put a second line
and to ensure that you've got him, you know, So
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we uh, we make a little loop in the airboat
going back toward the buoy that we had just put
in him, and you can see the line on the
bottom tracing at tracing and tracing, and we get to
the end. Up there, I can just see the harpoon
dart laying on the bottom of the sand and it pulled.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Out of him.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Oh so We sat there for forty five minutes to
an hour waiting off and on, and he never he
never surfaced again. I guess he pushed on back up
the creek. And uh so we went a few a
few more miles looking and we ended up finding another
nine footer and we harpooned him, and uh sealed the deal.
Both of those guys. First trip out on the airboat, and.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Two and two and one night, two and one night
the same the same night we had a We had
our troubles too. The first start. We had a nine footer.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
He uh, he harpooned him, but it didn't it snatched
a pole out of his hand, and uh we went
to you know, getting back to the line and it
never never sank anything. He hit him right in the
back and he eat him hard so and it was
a short tip. I don't know what happened, but it happened.
And we was giggling a little bit because you know,
they were down the coast raup there, and we could
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see the moon coming out of the clouds right there,
and all that weather had went around us. We watched
it and it was common as the cucumber over there.
And then it was a storm, and I said, I
was giggling. I said, they're getting a wet butter. They
out there, but they stayed in the truck. They were
smart about it. They waited it out, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, but it was some bad lighting in that storm.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, we should have had two that night, but you know,
just stuff. Everything could go wrong that night it went wrong.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
And you know the big getter that we got up on,
he was right at ten foot he uh, he disappeared
on us after we tried to harpoon him, you know,
a couple of times. And of course that that's when
my assignment kicks in. I got to say, no more harpooning,
and we fished a hook him and we've been killed.
This gator Tanner ain't out doing us tonight.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
And we go out there where we last sent him
at and where Bryce thought he seen him, and I said,
we ain't here.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I said, see, we done messed around. This gators got
away from us. So I started to power pole down
and just sit there like no, you know what. I
was sitting there with my head down. I was all
upset because we didn't let this one slip. And Bryce says,
I don't you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
He kept turning his light on, scanning the bottom, and
we've done drifted off, I don't know, probably seven or
eighty yards from where we supposedly last seen him, at
where we had it marked, and all of a sudden
he turned his.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Light back on.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
There he is, and he was right in front of
the boat, under the water, under the water. It's like
we drifted right to him. It didn't even mean to,
it was just meant to be.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
So we got a hook. Then we wasn't no more
harpooning at that point. It wasn't working.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
So we hooked up with him right there and you know,
fought him around for a couple of minutes and got
up on him and the guys you sealed a deal
on him. But I'm trying to trying to show that
video Bryce, he actually sent it to me earlier of
the hook in him there.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
It is, yeah, gone fact that you need to put
that on the on this on that's cool right there.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
But yeah, that that was a good gator and the one,
the one that we got after the first time, he
was actually you know, probably the you know.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
You all got two gators and how what time? How
long was you out there for two or three hours. Wow,
the first night.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Now everything could go wrong. I mean, we get up
on gators, everybody, you know, we just couldn't get ready.
He couldn't get up on the right position. And uh,
you know, this was like a little private hunt Bryce
had put on. It wasn't the actual charter, but Bryce
was trying everything he could to help these people out
get a gator. Well, he took over the harpooning and
got in his deep wash and there was a big
gator and he tried the harpooning right there. When he did,
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he rolled out the boat, but it was like instant rewind.
He hit the water and rolled right back in the boat.
I didn't have time to do nothing when he got
back in the boat. I just went to last and
I said, dude, they can't nobody on this boat say
that you ain't gave it one hundred and twenty percent goes.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
You put every effort, and you went beyond the effort.
I would put the killer gator.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
And you know, it's kind of scary at first, but
like I said, the gator wasn't nowhere near him. Well,
you know, and I was right there and everybody was
standing around him, but you couldn't. It didn't have time
to grab him or nothing. That happened so quick.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
That's what everybody's got to learn. To be careful and
just be patient.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Yeah, because if you get it sided to it sided,
you're not thinking right, and that could easily been bad.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
If that had been in shallow water, that'd have been
real bad.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
So, I mean, it's funny now listening to it.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
You know, he'd come back up soaking wet, had his
phone on the side, it's dripping water, and all I
could do was shake my head and laugh. But you
know he learned then, you know, don't deceive the water,
you know, just because you think it might be shallowing
what it is now it was deep, you know. But
he tried, he really he gave everything trying to help
them people out. And you know that's just the all
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part of it though. You sometimes everything goes your way.
And just like you know that gator that we killed,
you know that gator had his name on him, because
they ain't no way in a million years. Once they
you mess with him like that, you won't have another chance.
They won't come back up. I mean, they can hold
their breath.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
What three four hours. Wow, that I know a little
bit about that.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
Ed Frollock was back in the day. There's a TV
show called genleal Ben and Ed Frollock was the stuntman
airboat stuntman for that TV series and uh he ended up.
Him and Francine had a gator farm down in South Florida,
and my family helped move it to Christmas, Florida, and
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they did. They raised gators and still do. It's still
in operation. My friend, his nephews Shane and ho Ho,
I believe, are running it now. And they were my
buddies back in the day.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Uh huh.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
And but anyhow, they got this right across from Gator
Jungle on East Highway fifty there in Christmas, Florida. And
I learned that a gator can go underneath undisturbed and
stay down for six hours.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
They can they can slur, the breathing down everything.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
Yeah, man, that's what they do too. They're heart rate
and everything. But they can go down underneath the water
and be down for six hours. So when you show
up at a pond or something and you don't see one,
that don't mean he's not there.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
It's like my brother in law says, if it's wet
in Florida, there's a gator there.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Let's see here.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
You can see right here, Paul, this is this is
what I do right here when it when it comes
down to killing them, you pull them in. And see
what I first did when I got got him in
the boat. You grab a hold of him, grab him
by the jaw where he can't do nothing, and made
him tape him up. Yep, even though that forty four
bangstick don't play. You just always better be careful and then.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
A little nerve reaction from what I've seen, what we
were talking about with the meat earlier. I mean, I
think it's just a natural thing. Even if they've been shot,
they can still operate them jaws.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, oh yeah, they ain't that doubt you don't.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
And you know their feet, the claws, they you know,
moving around if they if they antsy when you pull
on it like that, that was a stone cold killer.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
He didn't flinch, nothing got him in the boat.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
But you always rapped. You think he's dead, you're gonna
wrap wrap his mouth every time.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah, no matter what nice feet, I didn't do because
he wasn't moving. Now, if it had been one of
them that was flinching around and you know, stand up
and stuff like that. Now do that have a lot
of times with the nerves, I tie their feet behind
their back and you know that tail, you'll watch that
tail insteadily be moving. But like that one right there,
he didn't, he didn't budge. Once we got him in
the boat, he was done. I mean we hit him.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Perfect and it separated everything. Wow. Nice.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
So a lot of gators going on, a lot of
gator getting and you're you're guiding, and right now, what
are you catching?
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Been been fishing for bass? That's what we've been keying
on right now. And so the crappie been catching some
crappie had a trip last week where we we talk
about already croppy and you know.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
I knew you called me I'm a sub phone call.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Yeah I did, and you didn't answer.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
You was busy.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
But y'all ever used that? This day? I had to
use Berkeley golt mina, that Berkeley gulp you know us
that ken he's been talking about for salt order man.
That stuff works right there now? Oh yeah, that And
there's a lot of I mean I threw my other
baits by a tree, and on liscope, it looks like
there's a knot. You know, I'm thinking, I think that's
a fish. I thro over there and I put on
(34:28):
one of them things over their same cast. I watched
that fish swim off that tree and chase chase it. Crappy,
don't usually go down waitt me called it six seven
foot thumped it knit.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
It you free you free lining that.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Well, I'm casting to it and my watching my bait fall,
and the fish left the stump and followed the bait.
When I went to that Berkeley gaut Mina, well.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
They scented like those salt order ones.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
I think, so yeah, I'm there's some liquid in it.
But I saw you can get them in this jars
just full of juice.
Speaker 7 (34:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yes, that's the same way. It's just like most the
other ones. We use chicken let the chicken that stuff
like that. Even though the worms they got, you know,
you can use them on saltwater or fresh water. They
you know, they recommend them using them both.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
And I thought that was pretty cool that because we
end up catching more on that bait. The only thing
I didn't like about you catch a couple of fish
and be tore up.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yeah, and that's it.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
I like them ones. They can't catch twenty fish.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
That's why we like using z Man honestly, with the
pro cure let or whatever shroud put on there.
Speaker 7 (35:28):
Get that, man, I've got a I got one. I
think it's twenty eight trout on.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Wow. That's good.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
I believe it. I mean, and it's just like we
got to go to a quick commercial. We'll be back.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
And we got a cat and Kenny calling in. Yeah, Kenny, Yeah,
he's up north. Some got fish, Kenny cat fish.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Kenny, Yeah, he's up north somewhere. But y'all stay teamed.
We'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
All guys, welcome back to the Big Men Outdoor Show.
We fished the brain cat and Kenny catfish. Mulleins on
the phone. He's somewhere up north.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
What are you doing, man?
Speaker 8 (36:09):
I am in New Jersey. You just got done meeting
with their Fish and Wildlife Department.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Oh yeah, how's that going going?
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Good?
Speaker 3 (36:17):
What you what you're talking to you about? What kind
of illegal stuff you can do and what you can't do?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
No?
Speaker 8 (36:22):
So, actually I'm up here. We just administered a test
on a tracking dog and they wanted to see how
we did it and helping them with some legislation regarding
tracking wounded game with dogs.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Okay, you ain't trying to teach them how to catch
out laws with dogs, are you? No?
Speaker 8 (36:43):
But they did ask me why I was involved with
an outlaw named Joel.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Uh, well, I know not to go to New Jersey.
Then they are they there?
Speaker 7 (36:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:57):
So how long? What are all y'all doing up there? Besides?
Speaker 8 (37:00):
You know, so I'm done here. I'm uh speaking at
a seminar in Lancaster, Pennsylvania about wounded game recovery with dogs.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Okay, is it illegal up there? Legal? Or I mean,
are they trying to figure out if they want to
pass it to be legal or what?
Speaker 8 (37:17):
So it is legal. The thing with New Jersey is
right now you have to get a license and there's
some testing requirements and and uh, basically it was the
way that it was done. They really didn't understand the laws,
They didn't understand how it all worked. So they requested
for me to come up and and demonstrate how everything
(37:38):
works and how a dog can stay true to a
wounded game line. And you know, it's pretty neat. I
met with the biologists and been working with the with
the Bureau chief of the New Jersey Fish and Wildlife.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Oh yeah, well, how they liked the uh you know,
the dog working and everything.
Speaker 8 (37:52):
Oh, they loved it. They they kept commenting on how
realistic it was, and you know they were they were
amazed at the distractions the dog could work through. We
laid the laid the test line. I used hose from
two hose from wounded deer and some special shoes and
two ounces of blood on the trail and it had
to sit at least two hours. Just one sat two
(38:13):
and a half hours, and there was people out there.
We did it in a park because it was kind
of in a city area, and they there was dog
people of dogs walking around out there, running around off
leash all over the trail. And the dog was that
we tested was highly trained, didn't pay any attention to
any of that. I even went across hiking trails and
then I cut down, went through some equipment next to
(38:36):
an old work trailer and the dog went went right
to it with minimal, minimal effort.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
What dog would you have one of your personal dogs?
Speaker 8 (38:46):
No, this was actually a young a young woman from
New Jersey that just got into this and that's what
brought all this about is you have to test under
a certain organization. And and in New Jersey, the judge
that under that organization has had some health problem hasn't
been able to test dogs. So she reached out to
(39:06):
me and asked if I could help her out. And
so I reached out to the New Jersey Fishing Game
and the way the legislation was written, it was required
to be that organization. They just didn't have any representation.
So we came up there, showed them what we do
and and they were they were happy.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
I thought you might have been using a little john
for the dog. I wondered how it was doing so
good on the track.
Speaker 8 (39:31):
Now, this particular dog was actually a British lab that
did phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
That's good man, that's good to hear. It's it's gonna
get bigger and bigger. And like I said, I swear
we need to do them them time trials, you know,
like the fox Fox fans right there? Do you know
blood runs, how long it takes a dog look it
out and everything.
Speaker 7 (39:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (39:50):
So when I'm done here in two weeks, I'll be
going to Iowa and doing a seminar there. It just
got legalized two years ago in Iowa of inexperienced people
there and going there to help them out, and then
by then hunting season will be open. I'll be wide
open doing that.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
That's cool. Man. You ain't been doing a fishing lately,
have you.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
I've done a little bit.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
How's how's the water clarity down there around Keaton?
Speaker 8 (40:15):
It's actually pretty clear. You know, it was pretty stirred
up there for a while, but it's it's cleaned up
a lot. We still have some stain, but for the
most part, it's pretty clear.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
That's good. Everybody's still catching a lot of trout and
red fish in three to four foot of water.
Speaker 8 (40:29):
Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm still I'm still shallow on
my reds, but most people's in about three to four
feet on the reds and trout. If you go south
of Heaton, they're out deeper in that six to eight
foot range. The further north and west you go, the
shallow where they get.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
That's crazy how that little bit of difference works. We
probably ain't thirty or forty thirty or forty miles apart
as the cray flies, and it changes that much, you know,
with oh yeah, the depth of them a lot of
people don't believe that, but it really does. You can
be catching them on one thing on one end and
something totally different on the other, and it's just crazy
how it works.
Speaker 8 (41:06):
Yeah, and even right now, just ten miles apart, is
the difference in eight feet and four feet.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Yeah, I know, it's crazy. It's just like a deer.
Deer being rut, you know, on y'all's in and won't
be in you know, till December, I mean September October.
They're being rut around you know, Perry area, and then
the end of December before they go in rut you know,
around Saint Mark's area. It's just weird.
Speaker 8 (41:29):
Oh yeah, true. My next started swelling when I when
I got up here, we landed, it was fifty six
degrees and right now it's it's in the upper sixties.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah. You can't beat that weather. Nice, you're going from
one hundred to fifty six. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Mine's well too. I ain't gonna lie. I'm ready for
that weather man. I'm I'm getting sighted then, you know,
well as I do. When that weather starts dropping, the
fish is gonna push further and further in.
Speaker 8 (41:57):
Oh yeah, no doubt what when Yeah, when you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Have another seminar down here, when you're gonna have one
around Florida area.
Speaker 8 (42:04):
So our next one and Florida is going to be
h March first, and actually we were going to have
Kensey Wheeler performing there and it's going to be Enkiner
in Florida. Oh yeah, yep, right there in the Panhandle.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Right there in the Panhandle.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Can you tell everybody how they can get a hold
of you man, Uh, you know, let him know what
you're doing and what Facebook or whatever to reach you at.
Speaker 8 (42:27):
Yes, so you can, uh, you can find me at
Real Epic Charters dot com. Uh, Real Epic Charters on
social media, and if you're interested in the blood tracking,
you can find me on mull installed Training and American
Blood Trackers dot org.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Heck you, Kenny, Well, it was good talking with your brother,
and you have a safe trip up there and get
back to Florida where it's hot.
Speaker 8 (42:47):
Alrighty, thank you. I'll see you all next week.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
I finally got him. Now we can talk about him.
He's a cat.
Speaker 7 (42:54):
I'll tell you something. I don't know. If I've watched
some Sopranos series, where are they based in New Yeah?
I don't know if I want to fish up there. Yeah,
it ain't no telling what you now, there's a good
reason why they want them dogs up.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Man, right, Yeah, there ain't no doubt they're Captain Paul.
Tell everybody how to get a hold of you, man.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Man.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
They can give me a called eight five o two
six four seven five three four. They can reach out
me on Facebook at Captain Paul tar Fishing.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Come on, Captain Tanner.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
You can find me on social media at Swift Creek Outfitters,
or you can reach me by phone at eight five
zero eight four three two two three five.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
He's trying to hold it in.
Speaker 7 (43:34):
And you can call me anytime.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
What's your number, Paul b R five four nine.
Speaker 7 (43:40):
That's all right, Paul or dell?
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Are you trying to get women to contact you or
what you're trying to do? I caught him out right
there now, Yeah, what does it know? What you was
trying to give everybody your phone number? Four? That's always
trying to figure it out?
Speaker 7 (43:57):
Yeah, I can tell you right now. I mean, if
you look at you need to market your business, you
can call me at eight five o nine to eight
oh three eight nine four.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah, Man, y'all give him a call. He's been real
good to us, helping us with market and stuff. I
just had to I had to throw the wife thing
to shut him up real quick. He didn't know what
to say.
Speaker 7 (44:19):
Yeah, I mean you got me, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Yes, especially when your wife works for a divorce lawyer. Sir.
I wouldn't say.
Speaker 7 (44:24):
Nothing either, man, I tell you what. We're just talking now,
ain't we.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
I'm Captain Joel Baldry.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
You can get a hold of me eight five o
U six seven two two one four three, or I'll
still outlaw charters on Facebook or Jr's ostell A River
Store or my regular page.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
You know, Joel Baldry. Uh, we still got some Gator
tags left available to hunt between men, Tanner.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
So if y'all you know, give us a call right there. Man,
we'll see if we can hook you out and put
y'all on a big gator. And if you ain't never
done it, don't you know you're fine. We're not gonna
let you fall out the boat. We'll be right there
with you.
Speaker 7 (44:58):
Yeah, I mean it's gonna be a safe time. Yeah,
to be a safe, safe trip. And the thing is
to what's going on with Tell real quick, what's going
on with mos?
Speaker 4 (45:06):
It's uh right now it's getting sprayed, the phone installation
and stuff in the roof, and hopefully ac Man shows
up next week.
Speaker 7 (45:14):
We're talking about Moe's restaurant yolks down there by j Rs.
Just incaseion, we're just not talking about mo that lives
on the river and we're talking about restaurant. Got big
improvements going on. Yep, And how we looking there?
Speaker 3 (45:29):
What?
Speaker 7 (45:29):
What what's your timeline?
Speaker 4 (45:31):
I say another two weeks we'll be completely finished with it. Wow,
everything got set behind on the storm with people working
different places.
Speaker 7 (45:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
Sure, we're trying to get everything cleaned up. But uh,
the ac man Tanner's buddy yea from Georgia right there.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
He likes to do a lot of.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Hunting fishing down here with us and stuff, so he's
gonna come help us get the ac going.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
The cool Oh yeah, real cool.
Speaker 7 (45:53):
But once you get that finished up, you're gonna start entertaining.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Yep. We're gonna you know, we're gonna have corn hold
every Friday night.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
We're gonna have you know, all you can eat catfish
on Thursday night, Friday night, maybe a steak night and
Saturday night we might do something else.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
So it's all in the work.
Speaker 7 (46:06):
So came again.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Oh yeah, we're gonna We're gonna have a little bit
of it, all seafood and stuff like that. So it's
gonna be a full blown restaurant now, nice out in
the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 7 (46:18):
I always loved it because it was open air, and
I mean the way you had it and run it
there for a good long time and everything. But boys,
I'll tell you what I know, you'll be happy to
get that air conditioning.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
No doubt. Man.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Everybody's you know, been praising about it, you know, standing
away from a mosquitoes and sand nuts.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
But we have run out of time for this week, y'all.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
I'm glad y'all tune in, y'all, stay tuned on ninety
six five The Spear, and hope y'all enjoyed the show.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Thank y'all you've been listening to The Big Bend Outdoor
Show with Joel Baldring. Join us every Saturday morning at
eight am on ninety six five The Spear and on
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