July 5, 2023 • 58 mins
STOP THROWING THINGS AT PEOPLE ON STAGE… This sadly recurring segment on the show returns with some of the wildest stuff the boys have heard. While, Lewis Capaldi announces his break from touring due to his personal health struggles. Can Capaldi keep his career status with his understanding fan base in a world based on touring? This and more on The Biztape!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Has concert etiquette just gotten worse.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Lewis Capaldi takes a great free touring. You're listening to.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
The Welcome to the Biz tape. You're all thinks music,
business and media podcasts. I'm Hero's Colin McKay, my lovely host.
Coast to coast, soon to be much farther north.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Much farther Yes, the coast of Russia. I mean you're
technically not wrongs from here, Colin.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yes, we're at spoilers. Uh so, I don't know. I
like it's like spoiling a plot point. But we were
recording this episode early as Joe's traveling for a shoot
very north from here. But well, eventually he's going to
be like coast to coast to coast to coast, and
we'll be we'll cover all our bases there.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So trying this episode, really trying to three sixty the
coast situation. We're just kind of going up and around
the corner and then come.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Joe from the north from the boundary of Canada, the
United States, not the coast you were thinking of.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, you may or may how is it up there boring?
We may or may not skip Florida. We'll just we'll
just have to decide once it gone, I.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Gotta be I gotta be on it. I gotta just
like I gotta be real with you all we're doing
it's not it's not it's it's not them, It's me.
I'm the problem. Anyway, Welcome to a particularly unhinged episode
of the BIS tape. Uh, my story is a little wild.
I don't know if we should start with me. We
(01:47):
should start with Joe.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
We should start because I want to hear how unhinged
your story is.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay, well, welcome back to a returning segment of our show,
which I didn't think was going to be a returning segment,
which is stop throwing shit at artists on stage. The
last time we talked about this, we were talking about
Kid Cutty, remember that, Joe, I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
You got it?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Like yeah, water bottles and stuff. You know, Surprisingly, but
also not surprisingly, it can get a lot worse than
that of what gets thrown at you. So just buckle
up for this. I'll give you a couple which is
kind of in the last like I wanted to say, month,
I think it's literally been the last like two weeks.
This has happened. We're in the middle of touring season,
(02:37):
it makes sense, it gets crazy, but the stories are
like so weird that like I was like at first,
I was like, this is a really a story, but
there's so many of them that I'm like kind of
like I want to talk about it because it's so strange.
So let's start off. Pink was a proud recipient not
really of two very strange gifts at her show uh
(03:00):
at Hyde Park this month. She had two different shows,
and I'm gonna start off with in reverse order, the
one she got second, because it's kind of a lead
up to how bad the first one is, which is
a wheel of Brie cheese, just.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
A whole, a whole the stage.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
It's really weird.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
This video of it has to be a group effort,
are we talking.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Somebody came into security with this Bree wheel of cheese
and they're like whatever, I guess they're gonna eat it,
you know, and then.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah that's what you u.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah right, And it's weird that guy came in with
like fifty tomatoes. I just thought it was gonna eat him,
but like, yeah, they came in with a wheel of
Bree cheese and it's like a big wheel, like a
pretty substantial, probably like like I get like probably across
chest wise cheese. You know, is that he measured cheese.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I got the cheese.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Giant, dude, it's insane, Which Joe, you keep up with
that because it's gonna get worse and I need you
to see these visuals. So yeah, that one was somehow
the least aggressive of the ones I'm talking about and
was softly put like kind of tossed onto the stage,
and Pink seemed kind of happy to receive it, which,
(04:22):
to be honest, like I guess she knows they're cheeses,
and I you know, once we get to the first object,
you'll see why she was pleasantly surprised. She took the
cheese and she like hugged the wheel of it, and
she like even mouthed like I love you to the
people who threw the cheese, which I was like, Pink,
don't do this to yourself. You're gonna get like next
up is Gouda at the next event, you know what
(04:44):
I mean, Like they're just gonna give you a charcuterie
board of cheese wherever you go, if you you know,
enable this. But the reason why, which let's just go
straight into this Pink may have been happy to receive
a wheel of Bree cheese other than maybe being a
cheese love herself, is because of the the thing she
got before this cheese was thrown at her, which was
(05:06):
like a concert before also at Hyde Park, she got
thrown on the stage someone's mother's ashes. No, I'm not
just like literally human remains, that's right. Thankfully it wasn't like,
(05:28):
you know, kind of like dispersed. It was in a
ziploc bag, but it kind of doesn't make it that
much better. So they like throw the ziploc bag onto
stage to which you know, I don't know sadly, Like
Joe and I have both seen this in our lives,
(05:48):
is that human ashes have a very distinct look, you
know what I mean? Yeah, Like they have a very
distinct look. And I'm sure Pink has seen it as well.
And so she stopped midsh because she sees the ziploc
bag and she literally goes, quote, this is your mom
(06:09):
and uh, then she goes, I don't know how I
feel about this, which is probably the fairest response that
you could give in that moment, as someone was like
I someone clearly going through some grief, right, decided, Hey,
my mother is gonna meet Pink tonight one way or
(06:33):
the other. And yeah, so that that that happened. And
what did Pink do? She hit the ashes behind a
speaker and kind of just soldiered on with the rest
of the show. I you know, I don't know what happened. Yeah,
I don't know what happened with the ashes either if
(06:54):
there was like an effort to re unite them or whatever,
or like, I don't know, you know what I mean,
they could be an a venue use trash can somewhere, right, Like,
I got no clue on that one. So yeah, you
can kind of see why she was hyped about the
cheese compared to what else. Literally, this is like I
think it was show after show like this is what happened.
(07:16):
Which is kind of my theory is that maybe the
cheese was like kind of like we knew this happened
to you. It's such a weird anyway, In a more
serious note, continuing on with please do not throw stuff
at people before Pink, which some people told me about
which they were like, you should talk about this is
(07:37):
a baby, a rexa Joe. I don't know if you've
heard about this. There was a pretty viral Instagram photo
about it. But baby Arexa had a phone thrown at
her face on stage and she's on stage. You can
find video of it. You can also find video of
the two pink incidents as well, but you can find
(07:58):
video of it, and it gave her a series curious
black eye like it's kind of crazy and Joe, you
can see it in my links. It's the uh with
all our sources are download NBC.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I'm watching it. Oh man oh knocked the an MLB
pitched to the face.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Dude, she gets knocked to the ground and like she yeah,
and if you go look up a photo she put
it on her Instagram. She's got a really bad black
eye from this, like super bad and she gets knocked
to the ground like it's so bad and with according
to you know what you would expect would happen, we've
(08:36):
already going into a criminal complaint against the person that
threw the phone. So according to this criminal complaint quote,
an unnamed witness told police that he asked who through
the phone, and the person who threw the phone allegedly
through the phone raised his hand and said I did,
which I was like, okay, I guess this is your
badge courage. You know again, this is allegend. They haven't
(08:58):
been convicted yet, but you know, well I have to see,
especially with this damning evidence. The person who threw it
then allegedly said, quote, I was trying to see if
I could hit her with the phone at the end
of the show because it would be funny.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Oh no, wait, so they're completely self aware. It wasn't
like a fan trying to like.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Oh get no, no, it wasn't like. This was not
like a Wei Mote situation where they didn't put their
wriststrap on and it went into the TV. Which sorry
for that reference, but basically that's for all our diehard
we fans out there. Anyway, Like, the point is is that, yeah,
this allegedly this person threw the phone at her face
(09:41):
on purpose and thought it was funny, allegedly according to
this witness. Anyway, who is this a fifteen year old? No,
a twenty seven year old did this great and was
arranged and he was like arranged to go to court
and he was a range in Monday in New York
(10:01):
City on misdemeanor charges of harassment and assault, and that
twenty seven year old could face up to a year
in prison for this, right, because it's exactly what it is,
misdemeanor charges of harassment to assault. So yeah, not good.
And then I had it in the story. Well I
was gonna add to the story. I would say, Also
Kelsey Ballerini, which I read up on but it's not
(10:24):
in here, also got hit with a friendship bracelet. I
don't know, Joe, are you familiar with like kind of
like the Taylor swift, like everybody make a friendship bracelet
before the concert kind.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Of thing where it's like it's like the it's like
the you can buy the kits at Joe Anne's or something, right,
and like you can just I'm first in this.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Nothing's more swifty than Joe Anne. Yeah right, no, Yeah,
So like apparently I was reading Also Kelsey Ballerini got
hit in the face with like a friendship bracelet because
her fans also make friendship bracelets for her concerts, of course,
and she she kind of just like she got like
hit in the face with it and then like she
kind of walked off. So yeah, that's kind of the
(11:08):
short and sweeten. That one is obviously not as juicy
as I got a black eye from a phone and
my mother's ashes have arrived on stage left. But I yeah,
why it's my big question, Like Joe, like, I don't know, man,
could you like try to imagine like part of me
(11:33):
almost understands the logic of the phone guy what but
like like not being like he should throw that phone,
but like what I'm saying is like understands the immaturity
of this action that he did, which he totally should
be rained for, right, but like I understand being like
I'm going to be an asshole, but for some reason
(11:54):
I can't get a ride being don't I understand it.
I'm not complicit with it. I'm not like I just
I don't know. It's like so I guess it's I
I guess I understand what you're saying. Where it's like
it's so dumb and and you expect people to be
dumb in that way, and it's like someone actually just
(12:15):
kind of let the intrusive thought win and do it,
but it is actually probably say yeah, like I do
think though that It's like there is a level of
like I literally can't imagine actually.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Doing that and being like I'm gonna throw my phone
full force into someone's face. During a show, like it's
got to be there. I paid for their show to
assault them.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I wonder, I wonder in court if they just have
the phone and they're like is this your phone? And
it's like the SpongeBob bit where it's like is this
your wallet? No, that's not me and your name is
like that's what I feel like it's gonna be like
with the phone. So this is not your you know,
like you're you on the lock screen at all, sir, right,
(13:04):
this is not.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
You of a lock screen with your manifesto of how
you're gonna.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Hit Baby Rexa in the face. Yeah. No, Like again,
I don't condone it, but for some reason, like it's
almost like a human nature thing. I could see it,
you know what I mean. And then even the ashes
thing I can see, which seems to be a little
bit further far fett.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
But the cheese wheel is too much.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
It's out of the question. Now the cheese wheel for
some reason, like is it's a nice thing to bring
someone a wheel of cheese? I can't argue with that.
But for some reason, like the two other bits, like
the two other like throwing the phone at Baby Rexa
(13:49):
and like the mother's ashes thing have a level of
insanity to them that feels very human. I just cannot
imagine being like I will bring this cheese to Pink.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Well, at least I could, Like I'm wondering if they
had the cheese, Like I don't know, like did they
get the cheese at the festival and then they like
because I've seen, yeah, I've I've seen weirder like stands
that you can buy ship from at festivals, right, like
(14:24):
some of the stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
You can get a wheel of cheese.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I don't know, it wouldn't surprise me if you could
buy a wheeled cheese. I understand what you're saying, though,
Like the whole plan of like we're gonna buy tickets
to see Pink, I'm gonna bring her this giant wheel
of cheese and it's gonna we're gonna have a moment
and she's gonna love me forever because I brought her
this cheese. But it kind of got overshadowed. I feel
(14:49):
hack in her mind because literally someone just came her personally.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Also, you can't eat it.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You can't, you can't, you cannot eat it. It's weird.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
You can't do it out of famous people gifts. Obviously,
out of our three lists here, mother's ashes are definitely
at the lowest I would not want them. Number two
would be a phone to the face, and then number
one would be the cheese wheel, because the cheese wheel,
to me, I'm almost like, if I got the cheese wheel,
I go, God, it's so tempting. Yeah, I can't eat
(15:23):
it because I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
To it exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
But yeah, Like, but seriously, though, none of this should
have happened, Like literally, none of this should happen, and
it just seems to be getting worse. And I'm trying
to figure out honestly, Like people have been getting stuff
thrown at them forever. I mean, I've talked about it
on the show before. Like one of my examples I
like to use is that one time George Harrison in
a magazine in the six you say, said I like
(15:47):
jelly beans, and fans just came with jelly beans and
pelted the beetles with them. For like ten or fifteen shows,
Lily just throwing jelly beans at their faces and it
hurt like hell, because you know, like they're in the
back row and they're lobby. They're like you said MLB
pitching this all these jelly beans, but like, I don't know, dude,
(16:09):
I feel like personal theory. I don't think anyone's tracking this,
but it might be getting worse.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well, yeah, like throwing stuff. There has been articles on
Billboard and Variety and everywhere pretty much talking about and
specifically TikTok like people have been talking about the when
it comes to concert etiquette and how recently it's been
like abysmal, mostly because people a lot of people are
blaming the pandemic and just the lack of like people
(16:40):
understanding concert etiquette. I kind of I'm kind of like
it could be like that could be possibly it, But
I don't think the pandemic was like long enough to
be like everybody is shitty now, you know, Like I
think this is like kind of on the way to
come and I don't, yeah it is. It's crazy. I
(17:05):
think I think that for a long time, artists were
very afraid to like call out on fans and like
and really call out the shitty behavior because they're afraid,
you know, of like how that's gonna come across. But
I don't know, I'm kind of like I feel like
(17:25):
Baby Rex's should one hundred percent file charges with this dude,
Like they're like, these people need to learn that, like
this is this is assault. And you know, no matter
how famous, no matter how untouchable these people are, there,
at the end of the day, there's still people and
they don't necessarily deserve to get hit in the face
(17:46):
with the phone, you know what I mean, especially if
they're putting on a show for you.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I just like, I person, I don't know, like this
is based on very little evidence, but maybe and I
love or your opinion about Joe is with the age
we live in and social media and stuff, do we
think that maybe this parasocial relationship has increased and therefore
has maybe gave people the validation to be like Pink
would be so charmed to have my mother's ashes up
(18:16):
there and be like, wow, I can't believe her daughter
husband was so committed, you know, to bring their ashes
here for like one last time, you know what I mean?
Like that parasocial like thinking that they know Pink is
a person right because of the social media and in
the window into people's lives that we have now, I.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Think there's like a lot of different aspects to it.
I think the main one honestly, that I've noticed is
people think it's funny. Like people just think it's like
a funny joke that they're.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
In, like this person, the twenty seven year old.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, like and even the wheel of cheese right, like
it's probably a joke. I mean, it could be like
a story.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
It feels like a white elephant bit.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, it's like so rare, and like people are like, whoa,
that's funny because it's random, right, But it is like
there there's a boundary being crossed for sure. That like,
and in some cases literal boundaries like barricades being crossed
to for these bits. And then like in the situation
(19:23):
of the guy throwing the phone, he thought it would
be funny to throw the phone and that's what he did.
I think for the case of the ashes, that could
also be a joke element there, Like they'd be like,
fuck it, it's so funny if I bring the ashes
of my mom to this Pink concert, but I.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Do, or yeah, they think it's so parasocial, and I
think it's a touching moment exactly, and then it's like, oh,
this is what she would have wanted, you know, or
you know, Pink would be like so in love with
this moment and that is like.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
It is. I do think you're right, Colin. I think
parasocial relationships are getting worse because artists have to give
their whole lives pretty much away online and to develop
their careers, they have to like sacrifice their privacy. Like
for example, I think a good example honestly is like
Phoebe Bridgers and like Bo Burnham, like that whole situation
(20:18):
of like there were ravenous fans just like really really
ripping into like very personal details of what was going
on behind each of their lives, like and like.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
So can you explain all about that for people that
don't know that, I mean both, Okay, So Bo Burnham
obviously is a very if you guys don't know, I've
mentioned when the show is a very famous like comedian
and also like musician, and then.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I didn't realize I was going to get at war
Bloor start.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
We can get into it. Yeah, Like literally, Phebe Bridgers
is a very well known musician, and so like they
were kind of seen being together at different shows and stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Well, and then there was speculating. People were speculating because
there's a lot of crossover specifically between each of their
other relationships, right that like people were speculating that they
were cheating on their other esos with each other, and
it was a big deal. And you know, ultimately nobody
knows what happens. Nobody's in their relationship except them. And
(21:19):
but that's the thing that like, because Phoebe's fans and
bo Burnham's fans are so engaged in ravenous in some regards,
it's also like they feel like they're doing a service
to other people by like stalking their lives and like
(21:41):
diving deeper into it and like sharing information. And it's
it's a bit of stalkerness, like because if you really
if you kind of like take a step back and
you're like, okay, this is a celebrity. This is happening
to a celebrity that like, you know, all this shit
is coming out on dumois and like people are looking
at the stuff, and people are passing along this information
(22:04):
and in some cases people close to them are passing
along this information. What's even crazier is like imagine like
a stalker doing that to someone who isn't famous, like
doing the same thing, and the tone ships a lot, right,
(22:25):
It's like, oh, well, that's different because they're a normal person.
And because of that statement, it's like people think celebrities
aren't people, right, They're an object and they're becoming objectified
by their fandom. And so that that's where it's like
it gets a lot. It gets tricky because even from
(22:47):
an artist's perspective, you have you kind of know that
you want to be like you kind of want to
be objectified in order to get more along in your career.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
But and it's weird because you almost have to like
embrace the crazy, like you know what I mean, embrace
the because like we've talked a lot on this show,
is like people love like the people, let's be honest,
who could throw stuff most of the time. If you're
not at a festival, are paying the most money to
be there, right because the close of the stage you
(23:21):
are whatever. And so it's this weird relationship where like
and Joe, you've we've said it multiple times, we and
we call it this from the video game term, but
whales like people who are willing to buy everything of
all the.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Merchandies, all the all these people.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
So you don't want to like it's weird because from
an artist's perspective, it's like, you want to embrace the crazy.
You want to embrace people to be whales, to be
like super fans and stuff like that, and give them
the ability to do that. But I feel like, in
the same way, it's amazing to me when this culture
we have for it also enables the normalization of these
(24:00):
kind of actions. Thankfully, it seems that it's not entirely
you know, everyone's not like, oh, yeah, we should have
the right to throw a phone at baby Rexo, right,
but like, like you're saying, in the terms of stalking
these people, following them everywhere, all this kind of stuff,
we do normalize that implicitly, and then like it's almost
monetarily encouraged from the artist's perspective to go, yeah, enable
(24:22):
the crazy. What if that hug was really weird that
you got on the media greet whatever. That person will
be at the next show and they're going to spend
four thousand dollars because they're a whale, Right, just deal
with it, you know what I mean? And that's honestly
what I think about when all this stuff goes happen
is like do we enable that too much? Right?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I think like, do we enable I think it comes
from every aspect. No, No, I mean you're right. I
think like I think as fans we enable it. I
think as there's a lot of honestly music industry professionals
who enable it because at the end of the day,
it makes them more money. That's not every to say,
like everyone in the music and who does that. They're
(25:01):
still people who value boundaries and like who do their
best to keep those boundaries in place for their clients
and artists. But it is it's increasingly difficult where it's
like you're dealing with Silicon Valley companies that are basically
they have like the finger on your they have their
(25:23):
hands around the throat of your career, right, and it's
like you have to play ball or else you're screwed.
And there's I mean, Colin, you probably remember talking to
some artist friends and stuff back when like social media
was like very much like grandfathered in, right, Like Instagram
was like the thing to be on, like like your
(25:43):
image was everything, and like people were even struggling then
like to post to like do stuff because of that
reason of like I just feel like a product rather
than a person. And it's even worse now because now
you're on you have to be on TV seven.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Well, the thing, the thing I wanted to bring up
to and this is a real story I'll bring up.
But I mean, to be honest, you'd be amazed what
comes back in a touring package of like audio gear
that we get. And they'll they'll, you know, the roadies
will go, this is kind of crazy, this is insane,
and they'll bring back things they'll go, oh, yeah, this
fan gave us this or something right, And I have
(26:22):
a real life story like that, and I can think
of stuff like I remember we got like one of
our clients there was a beautiful, like hand like drawn
photo of both the artists and stuff like that, and
it had like this long manifesto note with it, you know,
talking about like how they totally meet and all this
(26:43):
kind of stuff. And like the roadies just were like, oh,
that's kind of funny and just kept it. But like
if you read into the note, you're like, oh my god.
But here's my example of it. Before I started working
at the place they do now, I basically I worked
at this place called Wild Horse on Second Avenue in Nashville.
And this is a real story. We used to have
(27:07):
a lot of like, you know, performers come through all
the time, and we had this girl who's like sixteen
years old, and she would perform on stage and she
was really good a violin and like she was a
really good player, all this kind of stuff. I get
a call because I was mixing that day, I could
call like from front of house and like from like
(27:28):
the restaurant in front of house. And the restaurant front
of house goes, hey, there's some guy here say asking
about you know, like he knows the band. He wants
to go backstage whatever. And I go, okay, whatever, I'll
go down there and look. And I go down there
and it's this guy who's absolutely like out of it.
He starts talking and he goes, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna
(27:48):
make up a name for the girl. Like he goes,
I've known Kim for a long time. I've been following
her from all this stuff. I really like her as
a talent, and I've been telling her about this chili
I've been making. And he proceeds to hand me a
Mason Joe of chili and he goes, I've been telling
her about this chili I wanted to make for her
for a long time. I have it right here, this
is the Mason jar. I want to make sure that,
(28:10):
you know, give it to her, tell her all about
her or whatever. And I was like, yeah, She's like
immediately I recognize that the severity of the situation. I go, yeah,
you know what, how about you stay here? And I
think she's really busy. I don't even know she's here.
But like when she comes back eventually, you know, I
(28:31):
will give her the jar, and will you know, I'll
tell her whole story and everything. And like I had
to talk to him for literally from maybe like fifteen
twenty minutes just to de escalate the situation. He was
so passionate about everything. I remember he commented because I
was wearing a door shirt, and we talked about the
doors for like five minutes, and it was just de escalation,
de escalation, de escalation. I go. I finally get him
(28:52):
to leave, and I go, I don't you know, I
don't know all this kind of stuff. I don't think
she'll you know, be back around here or whatever. And
I knew she was playing later, so it's just kind
of just to get him away, and I take the
chili and I'm headed backstage and immediately throw the fucking
thing away, like immediately, you know, because I don't I
don't know what's it. H I'm not kidding, and right
(29:15):
literally and I go to her manager that's back there,
and I go, hey, man, do you know about this
guy he just talked to me? And I explained this
whole story and he goes, I know that person is
and I go okay, and I was like, are you guys,
like okay, do you need help or anything? And he goes, well,
he's like we've dealt with him before. And I was
like did he go away? And I was like, yeah,
he did, and I was like okay, And I kind
(29:35):
of told security at the time, it's like, don't if
there's some like weird guy that you saw me talking to,
don't let him in the building. But like that's the
level of severity I'm talking about, And like, until you
like really see it, it's kind of it doesn't feel real.
It feels like this kind of thing that doesn't exist,
(29:56):
you know, that level of fandom, and then you really
see it and it just really is like I don't
you know, there's no better way. It's just kind of upsetting,
you know what I mean, Like it's like you said,
it's very much objectification and entitlement to be like they
deserve this from.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Me, yeah, or it's more of like I want this
reaction from them, I want this this moment from them.
I'm entitled to this moment because I love their music.
And it's like, no, dude, they don't. Here's the thing.
It's like and like it matters so much, like I
think what puts it in the best perspective. I don't
(30:37):
remember what piece of media I was listening to, but
someone was saying, like in the celebrity situation, like the
power dynamic, the the celebrity is everything to the person
and the person is nothing to the celebrity.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
It's a good thing, I mean at the end of
the day, like like like I was saying, if you
took that situation, I just explained to you, out of
any context, a older man is trying to give a
sixteen year old ay you know, unmarked thing of chili
for some reason because he likes her so much. Oh
my god, you know what I mean. But then we
just normalize that because it's like, oh it's music.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I think, like, and that's honestly
part of the thing with the industry. I think like
there was a long stream of like situations kind of
like that that like most industry professionals even have a
hard time showing that they're music fans. I think because
they are afraid of being like put into that level
(31:37):
right there. They're afraid of like people being like, oh,
they're the crazy fan that like managed to get into
the industry and like wants to work with these people,
and it's kind of it just ruins it for everybody. Man,
like just be a human being. Does treat people with respect,
(31:58):
you know, treat strange like they're strangers, Like be respectful,
but don't be creepy, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, man, I don't you know. It's it's it's one
of the things we got to look at for and
it seems like there's not really a clear, you know,
way other than enhanced security. And I literally was thinking
about that when I was reading the show. I was like, what,
maybe VIP's got to go through two sets of security,
you know, if they're sitting down in the front row,
if they're in throwable range, you know, but then you
(32:29):
risk upsetting the people who are paying the most money possible.
So I don't know. It's a difficult answer. It's definitely
one that's going to get more difficult. That's you know,
social media is already so present in our lives and
becomes even more present.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Speaking of social media, there was a viral video of
pop star Lewis Capaldi that you guys might have seen
on TikTok reels wherever you get your vertical content nowadays.
But Lewis Capaldi was filmed during his set at Glastonbury
(33:09):
where he couldn't complete his massive song someone You Loved
on stage due to a tauret's tick attack, which Capaldi
has been very vocal in the past of like dealing
with turets and dealing with anxiety and dealing honestly with
like a lot of tour exhaustion. But he put a
(33:31):
statement out after that video came out and he finished
his set. He said, quote, hello everyone. First of all,
thank you to Glastonbury for having me, for singing along
when I needed it, and for all the amazing messages afterwards.
It really does mean the world. In fact, this probably
won't come as a surprise, doesn't make it any easier
(33:52):
to write, but I'm very sorry to let you know
that I am going to be taking a break from
touring for the foreseeable fuel Sure. I used to be
able to enjoy every second of shows like this, and
I hope that three weeks away would have sorted me out,
But the truth is I'm still learning to adjust to
the impact of my turettes, and on Saturday it became
(34:14):
obvious that I need to spend much more time getting
my mental and physical health in order so that I
can keep doing everything I love for a long time
to come. I know I'm incredibly fortunate to be able
to take some time out when others can't, and I'd
like to thank my amazing family, friends, team, medical professionals,
(34:34):
and all of you who have been so supportive every
step of the way through the good times, and even
more so during this past year when I needed it
more than ever. I'm so incredibly sorry to everyone who
had planned to come to a show before the end
of the year, but I need to feel well to
perform at the standard you all deserve. Playing playing every
(34:57):
night is all I ever dreamed of, so this has
been the most difficult decision of my life. I'll be
back as soon as I possibly can. Heart all my
love always Lewis X, and, as Variety points out, Capaldi
has been open about his struggles with mental health and
Tourette syndrome, which he actually was officially diagnosed one year
(35:21):
ago in twenty twenty two. Only one year has he
been like able to like really deal with this at
like a medical capacity. And he also just had his
massive Netflix documentary come out, How I'm Feeling Now, which
documented his journey after being diagnosed, as well as his
(35:43):
rise to fame, which happened around the same time. So
as you can see, it's like very chaotic for him,
and I feel like anybody put in that position would
have a really really hard time, especially you know, even
if they were at like a more healthy spot. Feel
like people would have such a hard time dealing with
(36:03):
the pressure. But Colin, have you have you seen anything
about this? Like, do you know about the stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I heard that I did not know it was due
to his you know, struggles with turets, but I did
hear about him, you know, kind of taking a foreseeable
future hiatus from touring. I definitely think that it's I mean,
(36:30):
it's a it's a hard thing to really deal with,
but I think it's a very adult and appropriate response.
The way he said it, it's I don't think I
can perform at the standard that you guys deserve. Yeah,
at the end of the day currently, And I think
it was important to note that this is something that
he struggles with and a health concern, and that like,
(36:51):
this is a two way streak when it got you know,
we need the fans to be there to support, and
we also need the artists to be wanting to be there.
And I think a lot of people forget about the
artist part of it, and they just think, oh, well,
we got to get fifty thousand fans in it, right,
And it's like, well, you also have to get one
person that's willing to perform at a professional level and can, right,
And clearly, you know, Cavaldi here is saying that, like
(37:15):
the combination probably mentally and physically that he cannot. So
I think it is appropriate for him to give this response.
I definitely think that specifically his career has been very interesting,
just because it feels very early still in his career.
I mean, I believe, like I'm looking at now, he's
the same age as you and I in twenty six
(37:38):
and he kind of blew up first in twenty nineteen,
twenty eighteen. But like it felt, Capaldi kind of feels
like a lot like how he's he feels very much
like a UK artist in the way that like I
think he's a big force in the UK and still
coming through the United States, but like I feel like
(37:59):
he was still breaking through, you know, the UK and
coming to the United States and becoming more of a
world power, you know what, everything right, And I think
that for a lot of people that's upsetting, right because
it feels like, well, you know, you don't get this
shot all the time, it doesn't come around every day,
and so why would you kind of throw that away
(38:20):
if you just feel you're not doing maybe your best.
But that's kind of the point of it, right. I
think that Capaldi, you know, is doing a smart thing
here in taking a step back from the hypothetical lows
that maybe he would face by forcing himself to go
out there and perform, because in this day and age,
sadly we cannot you can't pull a you know, a
(38:42):
Beatles or Brian Wilson or you know all that. You
can't just be like I'm not going to wear ever again.
It's just a requirement and to be a successful artist.
So I think that for Capaldi, it would be good
to take this time reflect while going out kind of
at his current top right now, and that will enable
him to hopefully potentially slide back into where he was
(39:07):
and even go to greater heights. What will not enable
him to do that is that if he has a
lot of negative you know, press and negative experiences due
to things that are controllable by him when it comes
to taking time and you know, actually trying to hopefully,
you know, deal with this new part of his life,
(39:30):
right I do.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I think I would say, like it seems like a
lot of the I feel like in we've covered this before,
like artists taking a step back and like canceling shows
for mental health for whatever other reason. In one case,
so what was that show that was canceled because he
wanted to see a football game or something?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Oh are you talking about? Is that? I feel like
that's Eric Church?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
But I think it was Eric Church. Yeah, I'm pretty sure,
or something. I don't know, we could be, but yeah, yeah.
But I will say like when he was having this
tick attack, his fans sung the song for him during
the set, and it was actually a very beautiful moment,
and I think, like I think a lot of people,
(40:19):
I think he his fandom is very supportive of his
decision here, and I think a lot of it honestly
because of the documentary, because of his outspokenness with his
turettes and being transparent, which in some for some people
might be too transparent in it for them, but for him,
I think has worked out in a very very great
(40:41):
way to where he can be like, Hey, this is
something I've been dealing with, and I've been talking about
the fact that I've been dealing with it, So I'm
going to step away for a little bit and get better.
And I think like, because it's not so sudden, the
fans are able to kind of grip with that reality
more than like, you know, if you know, Dual Lipa
(41:05):
just kind of dropped that on people after like one
show and then it was like, oh, I'm out, and
then it would have been like a swarm of attention, right,
and like a lot of negative attention in most cases.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
But he definitely, you know, took a very brave step
in admitting to the public this thing that he's struggling
with and will struggle with, right, And I think that
that has prepared his audience in the greater world to
be prepared for a situation like this, Like you're saying,
it's not like he was, you know, in the dark
(41:40):
about this and the issues he's had around it, right,
Like he immediately from the beginning of his diagnosis. And
then also, like you're saying, made a film describing, you know,
the perils of this that have caused on his life
in his career. So he I think he's emotionally prepared
and also just given an time to his audience to
(42:01):
go this could be a thing, you know what I mean,
This could be a reality. And what's kind of amazing
in that is it's not like, you know, a lot
of people would say, oh, well, he could have just
dealt with it or whatever, and then people would obviously
find out because they're interested in Lewis Capaldi. And I'm like, yeah,
but he did something that a lot of people won't do,
which is he really took charge of his own narrative.
(42:23):
In that way, he took charge and said, Hey, I'm
going to tell my story about it instead of just
you know it going through the press circles and being like,
do you know the Lewis Capaldi struggles with Tourette's. He
was like, no, let me put it in the way
that I experience it and I feel it with the documentary,
with telling my friends, with being you know, open about it,
(42:43):
and he took charge of that, and that's something that's
very difficult to do and very you know, open hearted
and just vulnerable to do. You know what I mean
like that that's the end of the day, is that
he had to take that struggle that he was having
and just literally let people rip him apart for it,
you know, in the public that are just going to
(43:04):
be mean, and he did it, and I think it's
prepared him to be able to hopefully step back into
live performance because, like I said, I just sad in
this day and age, we're not of the point yet
just because of how recorded music works that you could
pull you know, like a sixties or seventies band and
just be like, no, I'm not going to tour anymore.
(43:25):
And only the really big bands could do that, right,
And I think that it's sadly a requirement of today's age.
So it's definitely one that's going to impact him immediately.
It's going to impact you know, him, his loved ones,
his family and all this kind of stuff. It's going
to impact his psyche when it comes to, you know,
what he's doing as an artist, because that's not going away,
(43:47):
you know what I mean. He's an artist here now
and forever, regardless of what's going on. And so I
think that thankfully he's created a nice you know, if
he was on the incline, instead of causing a dip,
he's created a platform that maybe slowly descending as time
goes on, and maybe he's not like in the forefront
as much if he doesn't tour as much, right, but
(44:10):
he's created a platform that can be a springboard for
him to bounce off of as opposed to immediately being
in decline with you know, trying to keep this all
in the dark. Yeah, And so I you know, I
applaud him for that, to be honest, Like, I think
it's very I think it's very brave of him because
there's a lot of people that would try to keep
that would say this is too personal, this is just
too myself, which is their right to do. But I
(44:32):
think in the end, this was the smarter move and honestly,
the more brave move to do because of the vulnerability
it requires Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Mean, ultimately it's a job too that isn't worth killing
yourself over. And I think that, you know, maybe some
people would argue against that of like, oh, the best
artists sort of like the most tormented ones, but it's like,
I truly don't think that that's true. I think the
best artists are the ones who like creating. And if
(45:05):
you are increasingly more and more situations of where you're
just sitting there being like I don't like to create
and I feel like I'm forced to create, then the
work is worse in my opinion, And I feel like
it's just even even from like a fan perspective, it's
(45:26):
like I would feel bad listening to a record that
an artist was forced to make and in like a
certain timeframe right where it's like you want them to
be like truthful and be themselves and be authentic.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Right, and if you want to get real capitalistic with
it at the same time, like if let's say the
label or somebody was like, hey, I'm going to force this,
you know what I mean, Like you need to make
a new record or something I'm pretty sure signed probably
like EMI or something like that, right, and so like
it would say he was on you know, the label
(46:06):
and stuff like that. They're like, we're going to force
you to do this like this just in a capitalistic sense,
like take away, like the humanity of it, this just
kind of gives him more ammo to be like no,
and like, you guys publicly know what I'm dealing with.
My fans know what it is. You guys will be
the biggest demons in the world if you guys try
to force me to do something. I'm not comfortable here
(46:28):
right because I've clearly shown through you know how I've
talked about it and a whole documentary how much this
hurts my you know, ability to create, in my quality
to create. So I think he's created a you know,
any at the end of the day, it's going to
adversely affect him immediately, right Like it's going to But
(46:51):
he's created probably the best possible way to have a
step back from touring, you know what I mean, in
a situation that is beyond his control.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
I think people are really going to come back, Like
I even in like if we're looking at the capitalistic
angle of this as well of like demand, I think
the demand for seeing him live is going to skyrocket
even more after this, because I think people are very
aware of the fact that touring is very hard for
(47:22):
him and it might not come as often as some
other artists, and so it's like it's very special to
see him if you're able to do that. And so like,
I think the demand of of of his live section
of his music career is gonna is going to increase,
(47:46):
and I would.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Argue a lot, right and I you know, I wish
the best for him in the end of the day,
because look, like I said, I cannot understate the immediate
consequences this well yeah, right, Well, I mean, like there
is there is, you know, a factor where if you
step away from this kind of stuff that it you know,
may not ever come back the exact same way, just
(48:10):
because of the way that time changes and tastes change.
But it's one of those things that at least now
he's created steps to enable himself to do it in
a healthy way as well as in a way that
feels natural, I feel like.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
To fans, yeah, I will say, like you can watch
there's tons of interviews that he has out on YouTube
wherever where he talks about his struggles with it, and
it's honestly he struggles directly with touring as well, and
it's pretty heartbreaking, like what he has kind of pushed
(48:43):
himself through, because there's still so much that he has
to work through and be like with you know, any
anything in the music industry, and it's kind of I mean,
we've talked about it at nauseum at this point, but
like a lot of people in the music industry, ourselves included,
(49:03):
tend to value our work over our own health and
that is not conducive to a healthy lifestyle in general.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
I mean it's that and they see I think the
other thing is more of a lot of people, and
especially artists, because at the end of the day, it
feels like you are creating this thing that is almost
like an essence of you. People associate their work as
their as them, you know what I mean, Like what
you do as yourself boundary, you have your sense of
being right like and so that's just dangerous. So like
(49:38):
that's why I think in this situation like this, it
is compellingly vulnerable and you know, heartbreaking for him because
it's almost I don't want to say every artist has it,
but almost every artist I know has that thing where
they see their work nobody's like, you know, a lot
of people struggle with this just in daily life, right
(49:59):
like if you're you know, a florist or somebody who
does anything creative, right like or a baker or something
that creates. But something innately about music is so personal
that people associate their personal well being with it and
their personal self with it that it's so hard to separate.
So I'm sure for capality it's even hard to step
away from that because they're thinking they're losing part of
(50:20):
them or they're like betraying part of them, and that,
you know, is the most vulnerable part of this whole thing.
In my opinion, other than you know, opening up about
obviously his struggles with his disease, is that like he
as an artist is probably losing a part of him
and as self worth of himself. Again speculating, but just
how I feel, like you know, I would feel, or
(50:41):
something like that, or other artists, based on who I've
talked to, would feel, is that they're just losing a
part of their self worth a little bit. But I think,
like I said, I think he's created a wonderful springboard
for himself. I think he's created an atmosphere and an
environment and fandom that will appreciate that he's taking this time,
understand why he's staking this time, and you know, hopefully
(51:04):
for him he is rewarded in this, But sadly, you know,
they're there's sometimes just taste change. Time goes on and
people try to come back and it just doesn't happen
as well. You know. But even for someone who's struggling
with a you know, diseases and stuff like this, like him, like,
just the ability to come back healthy is worth everything
(51:25):
and is priceless compared to a you know, a higher
level fandom.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Our favorite time of the day, Colin, what have you
been listening to?
Speaker 1 (51:39):
I've been listening to. I've been listening actually to a
lot of Eisley Brothers lately, which if you've ever listened
to like any ninety I guarantee you probably. I would
say a majority of a lot of rap music, especially
from the early nineties and eighties, is samples of the
(52:02):
Isley Brothers, which is kind of insane, Like all Doctor
Drake stuff or all Doctor Drake stuff is Isley Brothers,
like all of it. It's crazy the amount of samples
that are in Like, but if you want to give example,
there's an album I really like. It's called Go for
Your Guns, and it's so good. If you was in
(52:22):
the song Footsteps in the Dark, you'll immediately know what
it is because it's the just wicking up in the
morning gotta thank God ice Cube, you know, like it's
that sample and it's really interesting to hear the full
song now, and that's kind of what drove me to it.
But like the band itself is great. Actually, one of
the guys that I worked with a work used to
mix The Isley Brothers in the seventies and I was
(52:43):
talking about him talking with him about it, and he
was like, dude, they were the nicest people and like
it to the crew and he was basically like, nobody
knew how good they were. It was insane. They were
just insanely undervalued. So yeah, go listen to Go for
Your Guns by the Isley Brothers. My personal favorite is
Living in the Life, which I think it's a really fun,
like straight to the point song, which is about like
(53:05):
it literally he goes, people think I'm living in the life,
people think I have such a great life, and he goes,
you don't know what I deal with and I don't
know you so stop assuming, which is kind of great
because it's kind of they've been the whole episode of
you know, kind of the whole moral of the episode
this week. So yeah, Joe, and you've been listening to.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
I have been still in a music rut a bit,
which is kind of disappointing, but luckily it's kind of
slowly getting out of it. Charlie Adams came out with
a single today, cry over Everything. Should definitely check it out.
It is so so good. I've been listening a lot
also to Nick Lang. He has a song called two
(53:45):
Birds that I really enjoy. He's got like he's kind
of like you can definitely tell he's like a Beatles fan,
just like with his weird structure of songwriting. But also
he's very like florally if that makes sense, Like with
the way he describes Yeah, I don't know, like more
storytelling right of like it's very like textural and like
(54:10):
you can like feel the song kind of like the
way he's like describing stuff, and it's really cool. Like
his production is top notch, such such a good, honestly destography.
I listened to Starfucker yesterday and I haven't listened to
them in a minute. But like, if you ever get
the chance favorite yeah, I mean, like if you ever
(54:32):
get a chance to like see Starfucker live, They're they're
so amazing, like beyond insane live, such such good performers.
And then I've also been kind of like listening to
Pine Grove because like I never got in the hype
of Pine Grove.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
Pine Grove shovel, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
Mean that song slaps. I'm not gonna lie. That song's
really really good.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
But is that called two or something I gets called
h need to That's what it is, Yeah, And like
it's it's most likely going to be their like biggest song.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
I mean, it's like their biggest song two Friends. But yeah,
it's like an older what's crazy is like it's kind
of like it's kind of like an older song, but
they're re releasing it and like they kind of they
kind of saw the hype and they re released it,
and I think it like pushed it to people's feeds more.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah, if you're interested in what we're talking about, just
look up Pine Grove Shuffle on uh TikTok. And that's
kind of what the thing that spurred everything. Yeah, it's
just this kid who's doing this like this heavy backbeat
song needs like need to It's just so funny to
watch them do the pine Grove shuffle. And basically he
just goes imagine if we like he doesn't say this,
(55:48):
but people in the comments are like, imagine like one
hundred people at a concert trying to do this at once.
It would be so funny. And it's just this like
heavy step forward dance and some of the guys at
work love doing it. It's really fun. And so I
actually found a video too, if you find it, and
it's this guy who's also performing at the song and
doing the pine grove shuffle at the same time, Like
(56:10):
he's hitting the kick and the bass drum with the
shuffle beats, and it kills me every time.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
So sick. But yeah, that uh, that about does it?
Speaker 1 (56:22):
That about does it? Thank you for you sound like
you're just entering like a PowerPoint present About that about
does it? That was Algeria, everybody. You know what, dude,
it's kind of wild to think about that now, like
PowerPoint presentations when you were a child, Like he would
just be like, and remember was the conquest of Spain.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, we just sat and watched very poorly made power
points our whole lives, dude, God some some of the
some of the power points were rough man like I
just remember like certain teachers is not having a grip
on it.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
But luckily we do. Yeah, the the do you know? Okay,
remember guys. You know what, if you're looking for a
good friend in your life, here's a good metric for it.
Speaking of powerpoints, you need someone that you would trust
to change the slides on PowerPoint for you when you
give a presentation. Very true, very that's the level of today.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
That's the person that's gonna be with you. They're they're
the writer.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
I truly right, Lee, go out. If you've not found
that person, go find that person. You gotta guys, thanks
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And Lewis Capaldi takes a great free touring. You're listening to.
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The Welcome to the Biz tape. You're all thinks music,
business and media podcasts. I'm Hero's Colin McKay, my lovely host.
Coast to coast, soon to be much farther north.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Much farther Yes, the coast of Russia. I mean you're
technically not wrongs from here, Colin.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yes, we're at spoilers. Uh so, I don't know. I
like it's like spoiling a plot point. But we were
recording this episode early as Joe's traveling for a shoot
very north from here. But well, eventually he's going to
be like coast to coast to coast to coast, and
we'll be we'll cover all our bases there.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So trying this episode, really trying to three sixty the
coast situation. We're just kind of going up and around
the corner and then come.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Joe from the north from the boundary of Canada, the
United States, not the coast you were thinking of.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, you may or may how is it up there boring?
We may or may not skip Florida. We'll just we'll
just have to decide once it gone, I.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Gotta be I gotta be on it. I gotta just
like I gotta be real with you all we're doing
it's not it's not it's it's not them, It's me.
I'm the problem. Anyway, Welcome to a particularly unhinged episode
of the BIS tape. Uh, my story is a little wild.
I don't know if we should start with me. We
(01:47):
should start with Joe.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
We should start because I want to hear how unhinged
your story is.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay, well, welcome back to a returning segment of our show,
which I didn't think was going to be a returning segment,
which is stop throwing shit at artists on stage. The
last time we talked about this, we were talking about
Kid Cutty, remember that, Joe, I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
You got it?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Like yeah, water bottles and stuff. You know, Surprisingly, but
also not surprisingly, it can get a lot worse than
that of what gets thrown at you. So just buckle
up for this. I'll give you a couple which is
kind of in the last like I wanted to say, month,
I think it's literally been the last like two weeks.
This has happened. We're in the middle of touring season,
(02:37):
it makes sense, it gets crazy, but the stories are
like so weird that like I was like at first,
I was like, this is a really a story, but
there's so many of them that I'm like kind of
like I want to talk about it because it's so strange.
So let's start off. Pink was a proud recipient not
really of two very strange gifts at her show uh
(03:00):
at Hyde Park this month. She had two different shows,
and I'm gonna start off with in reverse order, the
one she got second, because it's kind of a lead
up to how bad the first one is, which is
a wheel of Brie cheese, just.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
A whole, a whole the stage.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
It's really weird.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
This video of it has to be a group effort,
are we talking.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Somebody came into security with this Bree wheel of cheese
and they're like whatever, I guess they're gonna eat it,
you know, and then.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah that's what you u.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah right, And it's weird that guy came in with
like fifty tomatoes. I just thought it was gonna eat him,
but like, yeah, they came in with a wheel of
Bree cheese and it's like a big wheel, like a
pretty substantial, probably like like I get like probably across
chest wise cheese. You know, is that he measured cheese.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I got the cheese.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Giant, dude, it's insane, Which Joe, you keep up with
that because it's gonna get worse and I need you
to see these visuals. So yeah, that one was somehow
the least aggressive of the ones I'm talking about and
was softly put like kind of tossed onto the stage,
and Pink seemed kind of happy to receive it, which,
(04:22):
to be honest, like I guess she knows they're cheeses,
and I you know, once we get to the first object,
you'll see why she was pleasantly surprised. She took the
cheese and she like hugged the wheel of it, and
she like even mouthed like I love you to the
people who threw the cheese, which I was like, Pink,
don't do this to yourself. You're gonna get like next
up is Gouda at the next event, you know what
(04:44):
I mean, Like they're just gonna give you a charcuterie
board of cheese wherever you go, if you you know,
enable this. But the reason why, which let's just go
straight into this Pink may have been happy to receive
a wheel of Bree cheese other than maybe being a
cheese love herself, is because of the the thing she
got before this cheese was thrown at her, which was
(05:06):
like a concert before also at Hyde Park, she got
thrown on the stage someone's mother's ashes. No, I'm not
just like literally human remains, that's right. Thankfully it wasn't like,
(05:28):
you know, kind of like dispersed. It was in a
ziploc bag, but it kind of doesn't make it that
much better. So they like throw the ziploc bag onto
stage to which you know, I don't know sadly, Like
Joe and I have both seen this in our lives,
(05:48):
is that human ashes have a very distinct look, you
know what I mean? Yeah, Like they have a very
distinct look. And I'm sure Pink has seen it as well.
And so she stopped midsh because she sees the ziploc
bag and she literally goes, quote, this is your mom
(06:09):
and uh, then she goes, I don't know how I
feel about this, which is probably the fairest response that
you could give in that moment, as someone was like
I someone clearly going through some grief, right, decided, Hey,
my mother is gonna meet Pink tonight one way or
(06:33):
the other. And yeah, so that that that happened. And
what did Pink do? She hit the ashes behind a
speaker and kind of just soldiered on with the rest
of the show. I you know, I don't know what happened. Yeah,
I don't know what happened with the ashes either if
(06:54):
there was like an effort to re unite them or whatever,
or like, I don't know, you know what I mean,
they could be an a venue use trash can somewhere, right, Like,
I got no clue on that one. So yeah, you
can kind of see why she was hyped about the
cheese compared to what else. Literally, this is like I
think it was show after show like this is what happened.
(07:16):
Which is kind of my theory is that maybe the
cheese was like kind of like we knew this happened
to you. It's such a weird anyway, In a more
serious note, continuing on with please do not throw stuff
at people before Pink, which some people told me about
which they were like, you should talk about this is
(07:37):
a baby, a rexa Joe. I don't know if you've
heard about this. There was a pretty viral Instagram photo
about it. But baby Arexa had a phone thrown at
her face on stage and she's on stage. You can
find video of it. You can also find video of
the two pink incidents as well, but you can find
(07:58):
video of it, and it gave her a series curious
black eye like it's kind of crazy and Joe, you
can see it in my links. It's the uh with
all our sources are download NBC.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I'm watching it. Oh man oh knocked the an MLB
pitched to the face.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Dude, she gets knocked to the ground and like she yeah,
and if you go look up a photo she put
it on her Instagram. She's got a really bad black
eye from this, like super bad and she gets knocked
to the ground like it's so bad and with according
to you know what you would expect would happen, we've
(08:36):
already going into a criminal complaint against the person that
threw the phone. So according to this criminal complaint quote,
an unnamed witness told police that he asked who through
the phone, and the person who threw the phone allegedly
through the phone raised his hand and said I did,
which I was like, okay, I guess this is your
badge courage. You know again, this is allegend. They haven't
(08:58):
been convicted yet, but you know, well I have to see,
especially with this damning evidence. The person who threw it
then allegedly said, quote, I was trying to see if
I could hit her with the phone at the end
of the show because it would be funny.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Oh no, wait, so they're completely self aware. It wasn't
like a fan trying to like.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Oh get no, no, it wasn't like. This was not
like a Wei Mote situation where they didn't put their
wriststrap on and it went into the TV. Which sorry
for that reference, but basically that's for all our diehard
we fans out there. Anyway, Like, the point is is that, yeah,
this allegedly this person threw the phone at her face
(09:41):
on purpose and thought it was funny, allegedly according to
this witness. Anyway, who is this a fifteen year old? No,
a twenty seven year old did this great and was
arranged and he was like arranged to go to court
and he was a range in Monday in New York
(10:01):
City on misdemeanor charges of harassment and assault, and that
twenty seven year old could face up to a year
in prison for this, right, because it's exactly what it is,
misdemeanor charges of harassment to assault. So yeah, not good.
And then I had it in the story. Well I
was gonna add to the story. I would say, Also
Kelsey Ballerini, which I read up on but it's not
(10:24):
in here, also got hit with a friendship bracelet. I
don't know, Joe, are you familiar with like kind of
like the Taylor swift, like everybody make a friendship bracelet
before the concert kind.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Of thing where it's like it's like the it's like
the you can buy the kits at Joe Anne's or something, right,
and like you can just I'm first in this.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Nothing's more swifty than Joe Anne. Yeah right, no, Yeah,
So like apparently I was reading Also Kelsey Ballerini got
hit in the face with like a friendship bracelet because
her fans also make friendship bracelets for her concerts, of course,
and she she kind of just like she got like
hit in the face with it and then like she
kind of walked off. So yeah, that's kind of the
(11:08):
short and sweeten. That one is obviously not as juicy
as I got a black eye from a phone and
my mother's ashes have arrived on stage left. But I yeah,
why it's my big question, Like Joe, like, I don't know, man,
could you like try to imagine like part of me
(11:33):
almost understands the logic of the phone guy what but
like like not being like he should throw that phone,
but like what I'm saying is like understands the immaturity
of this action that he did, which he totally should
be rained for, right, but like I understand being like
I'm going to be an asshole, but for some reason
(11:54):
I can't get a ride being don't I understand it.
I'm not complicit with it. I'm not like I just
I don't know. It's like so I guess it's I
I guess I understand what you're saying. Where it's like
it's so dumb and and you expect people to be
dumb in that way, and it's like someone actually just
(12:15):
kind of let the intrusive thought win and do it,
but it is actually probably say yeah, like I do
think though that It's like there is a level of
like I literally can't imagine actually.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Doing that and being like I'm gonna throw my phone
full force into someone's face. During a show, like it's
got to be there. I paid for their show to
assault them.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I wonder, I wonder in court if they just have
the phone and they're like is this your phone? And
it's like the SpongeBob bit where it's like is this
your wallet? No, that's not me and your name is
like that's what I feel like it's gonna be like
with the phone. So this is not your you know,
like you're you on the lock screen at all, sir, right,
(13:04):
this is not.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
You of a lock screen with your manifesto of how
you're gonna.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Hit Baby Rexa in the face. Yeah. No, Like again,
I don't condone it, but for some reason, like it's
almost like a human nature thing. I could see it,
you know what I mean. And then even the ashes
thing I can see, which seems to be a little
bit further far fett.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
But the cheese wheel is too much.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
It's out of the question. Now the cheese wheel for
some reason, like is it's a nice thing to bring
someone a wheel of cheese? I can't argue with that.
But for some reason, like the two other bits, like
the two other like throwing the phone at Baby Rexa
(13:49):
and like the mother's ashes thing have a level of
insanity to them that feels very human. I just cannot
imagine being like I will bring this cheese to Pink.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Well, at least I could, Like I'm wondering if they
had the cheese, Like I don't know, like did they
get the cheese at the festival and then they like
because I've seen, yeah, I've I've seen weirder like stands
that you can buy ship from at festivals, right, like
(14:24):
some of the stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
You can get a wheel of cheese.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I don't know, it wouldn't surprise me if you could
buy a wheeled cheese. I understand what you're saying, though,
Like the whole plan of like we're gonna buy tickets
to see Pink, I'm gonna bring her this giant wheel
of cheese and it's gonna we're gonna have a moment
and she's gonna love me forever because I brought her
this cheese. But it kind of got overshadowed. I feel
(14:49):
hack in her mind because literally someone just came her personally.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Also, you can't eat it.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You can't, you can't, you cannot eat it. It's weird.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
You can't do it out of famous people gifts. Obviously,
out of our three lists here, mother's ashes are definitely
at the lowest I would not want them. Number two
would be a phone to the face, and then number
one would be the cheese wheel, because the cheese wheel,
to me, I'm almost like, if I got the cheese wheel,
I go, God, it's so tempting. Yeah, I can't eat
(15:23):
it because I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
To it exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
But yeah, Like, but seriously, though, none of this should
have happened, Like literally, none of this should happen, and
it just seems to be getting worse. And I'm trying
to figure out honestly, Like people have been getting stuff
thrown at them forever. I mean, I've talked about it
on the show before. Like one of my examples I
like to use is that one time George Harrison in
a magazine in the six you say, said I like
(15:47):
jelly beans, and fans just came with jelly beans and
pelted the beetles with them. For like ten or fifteen shows,
Lily just throwing jelly beans at their faces and it
hurt like hell, because you know, like they're in the
back row and they're lobby. They're like you said MLB
pitching this all these jelly beans, but like, I don't know, dude,
(16:09):
I feel like personal theory. I don't think anyone's tracking this,
but it might be getting worse.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well, yeah, like throwing stuff. There has been articles on
Billboard and Variety and everywhere pretty much talking about and
specifically TikTok like people have been talking about the when
it comes to concert etiquette and how recently it's been
like abysmal, mostly because people a lot of people are
blaming the pandemic and just the lack of like people
(16:40):
understanding concert etiquette. I kind of I'm kind of like
it could be like that could be possibly it, But
I don't think the pandemic was like long enough to
be like everybody is shitty now, you know, Like I
think this is like kind of on the way to
come and I don't, yeah it is. It's crazy. I
(17:05):
think I think that for a long time, artists were
very afraid to like call out on fans and like
and really call out the shitty behavior because they're afraid,
you know, of like how that's gonna come across. But
I don't know, I'm kind of like I feel like
(17:25):
Baby Rex's should one hundred percent file charges with this dude,
Like they're like, these people need to learn that, like
this is this is assault. And you know, no matter
how famous, no matter how untouchable these people are, there,
at the end of the day, there's still people and
they don't necessarily deserve to get hit in the face
(17:46):
with the phone, you know what I mean, especially if
they're putting on a show for you.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I just like, I person, I don't know, like this
is based on very little evidence, but maybe and I
love or your opinion about Joe is with the age
we live in and social media and stuff, do we
think that maybe this parasocial relationship has increased and therefore
has maybe gave people the validation to be like Pink
would be so charmed to have my mother's ashes up
(18:16):
there and be like, wow, I can't believe her daughter
husband was so committed, you know, to bring their ashes
here for like one last time, you know what I mean?
Like that parasocial like thinking that they know Pink is
a person right because of the social media and in
the window into people's lives that we have now, I.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Think there's like a lot of different aspects to it.
I think the main one honestly, that I've noticed is
people think it's funny. Like people just think it's like
a funny joke that they're.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
In, like this person, the twenty seven year old.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, like and even the wheel of cheese right, like
it's probably a joke. I mean, it could be like
a story.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
It feels like a white elephant bit.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, it's like so rare, and like people are like, whoa,
that's funny because it's random, right, But it is like
there there's a boundary being crossed for sure. That like,
and in some cases literal boundaries like barricades being crossed
to for these bits. And then like in the situation
(19:23):
of the guy throwing the phone, he thought it would
be funny to throw the phone and that's what he did.
I think for the case of the ashes, that could
also be a joke element there, Like they'd be like,
fuck it, it's so funny if I bring the ashes
of my mom to this Pink concert, but I.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Do, or yeah, they think it's so parasocial, and I
think it's a touching moment exactly, and then it's like, oh,
this is what she would have wanted, you know, or
you know, Pink would be like so in love with
this moment and that is like.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
It is. I do think you're right, Colin. I think
parasocial relationships are getting worse because artists have to give
their whole lives pretty much away online and to develop
their careers, they have to like sacrifice their privacy. Like
for example, I think a good example honestly is like
Phoebe Bridgers and like Bo Burnham, like that whole situation
(20:18):
of like there were ravenous fans just like really really
ripping into like very personal details of what was going
on behind each of their lives, like and like.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
So can you explain all about that for people that
don't know that, I mean both, Okay, So Bo Burnham
obviously is a very if you guys don't know, I've
mentioned when the show is a very famous like comedian
and also like musician, and then.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I didn't realize I was going to get at war
Bloor start.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
We can get into it. Yeah, Like literally, Phebe Bridgers
is a very well known musician, and so like they
were kind of seen being together at different shows and stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Well, and then there was speculating. People were speculating because
there's a lot of crossover specifically between each of their
other relationships, right that like people were speculating that they
were cheating on their other esos with each other, and
it was a big deal. And you know, ultimately nobody
knows what happens. Nobody's in their relationship except them. And
(21:19):
but that's the thing that like, because Phoebe's fans and
bo Burnham's fans are so engaged in ravenous in some regards,
it's also like they feel like they're doing a service
to other people by like stalking their lives and like
(21:41):
diving deeper into it and like sharing information. And it's
it's a bit of stalkerness, like because if you really
if you kind of like take a step back and
you're like, okay, this is a celebrity. This is happening
to a celebrity that like, you know, all this shit
is coming out on dumois and like people are looking
at the stuff, and people are passing along this information
(22:04):
and in some cases people close to them are passing
along this information. What's even crazier is like imagine like
a stalker doing that to someone who isn't famous, like
doing the same thing, and the tone ships a lot, right,
(22:25):
It's like, oh, well, that's different because they're a normal person.
And because of that statement, it's like people think celebrities
aren't people, right, They're an object and they're becoming objectified
by their fandom. And so that that's where it's like
it gets a lot. It gets tricky because even from
(22:47):
an artist's perspective, you have you kind of know that
you want to be like you kind of want to
be objectified in order to get more along in your career.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
But and it's weird because you almost have to like
embrace the crazy, like you know what I mean, embrace
the because like we've talked a lot on this show,
is like people love like the people, let's be honest,
who could throw stuff most of the time. If you're
not at a festival, are paying the most money to
be there, right because the close of the stage you
(23:21):
are whatever. And so it's this weird relationship where like
and Joe, you've we've said it multiple times, we and
we call it this from the video game term, but
whales like people who are willing to buy everything of
all the.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Merchandies, all the all these people.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
So you don't want to like it's weird because from
an artist's perspective, it's like, you want to embrace the crazy.
You want to embrace people to be whales, to be
like super fans and stuff like that, and give them
the ability to do that. But I feel like, in
the same way, it's amazing to me when this culture
we have for it also enables the normalization of these
(24:00):
kind of actions. Thankfully, it seems that it's not entirely
you know, everyone's not like, oh, yeah, we should have
the right to throw a phone at baby Rexo, right,
but like, like you're saying, in the terms of stalking
these people, following them everywhere, all this kind of stuff,
we do normalize that implicitly, and then like it's almost
monetarily encouraged from the artist's perspective to go, yeah, enable
(24:22):
the crazy. What if that hug was really weird that
you got on the media greet whatever. That person will
be at the next show and they're going to spend
four thousand dollars because they're a whale, Right, just deal
with it, you know what I mean? And that's honestly
what I think about when all this stuff goes happen
is like do we enable that too much? Right?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I think like, do we enable I think it comes
from every aspect. No, No, I mean you're right. I
think like I think as fans we enable it. I
think as there's a lot of honestly music industry professionals
who enable it because at the end of the day,
it makes them more money. That's not every to say,
like everyone in the music and who does that. They're
(25:01):
still people who value boundaries and like who do their
best to keep those boundaries in place for their clients
and artists. But it is it's increasingly difficult where it's
like you're dealing with Silicon Valley companies that are basically
they have like the finger on your they have their
(25:23):
hands around the throat of your career, right, and it's
like you have to play ball or else you're screwed.
And there's I mean, Colin, you probably remember talking to
some artist friends and stuff back when like social media
was like very much like grandfathered in, right, Like Instagram
was like the thing to be on, like like your
(25:43):
image was everything, and like people were even struggling then
like to post to like do stuff because of that
reason of like I just feel like a product rather
than a person. And it's even worse now because now
you're on you have to be on TV seven.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Well, the thing, the thing I wanted to bring up
to and this is a real story I'll bring up.
But I mean, to be honest, you'd be amazed what
comes back in a touring package of like audio gear
that we get. And they'll they'll, you know, the roadies
will go, this is kind of crazy, this is insane,
and they'll bring back things they'll go, oh, yeah, this
fan gave us this or something right, And I have
(26:22):
a real life story like that, and I can think
of stuff like I remember we got like one of
our clients there was a beautiful, like hand like drawn
photo of both the artists and stuff like that, and
it had like this long manifesto note with it, you know,
talking about like how they totally meet and all this
(26:43):
kind of stuff. And like the roadies just were like, oh,
that's kind of funny and just kept it. But like
if you read into the note, you're like, oh my god.
But here's my example of it. Before I started working
at the place they do now, I basically I worked
at this place called Wild Horse on Second Avenue in Nashville.
And this is a real story. We used to have
(27:07):
a lot of like, you know, performers come through all
the time, and we had this girl who's like sixteen
years old, and she would perform on stage and she
was really good a violin and like she was a
really good player, all this kind of stuff. I get
a call because I was mixing that day, I could
call like from front of house and like from like
(27:28):
the restaurant in front of house. And the restaurant front
of house goes, hey, there's some guy here say asking
about you know, like he knows the band. He wants
to go backstage whatever. And I go, okay, whatever, I'll
go down there and look. And I go down there
and it's this guy who's absolutely like out of it.
He starts talking and he goes, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna
(27:48):
make up a name for the girl. Like he goes,
I've known Kim for a long time. I've been following
her from all this stuff. I really like her as
a talent, and I've been telling her about this chili
I've been making. And he proceeds to hand me a
Mason Joe of chili and he goes, I've been telling
her about this chili I wanted to make for her
for a long time. I have it right here, this
is the Mason jar. I want to make sure that,
(28:10):
you know, give it to her, tell her all about
her or whatever. And I was like, yeah, She's like
immediately I recognize that the severity of the situation. I go, yeah,
you know what, how about you stay here? And I
think she's really busy. I don't even know she's here.
But like when she comes back eventually, you know, I
(28:31):
will give her the jar, and will you know, I'll
tell her whole story and everything. And like I had
to talk to him for literally from maybe like fifteen
twenty minutes just to de escalate the situation. He was
so passionate about everything. I remember he commented because I
was wearing a door shirt, and we talked about the
doors for like five minutes, and it was just de escalation,
de escalation, de escalation. I go. I finally get him
(28:52):
to leave, and I go, I don't you know, I
don't know all this kind of stuff. I don't think
she'll you know, be back around here or whatever. And
I knew she was playing later, so it's just kind
of just to get him away, and I take the
chili and I'm headed backstage and immediately throw the fucking
thing away, like immediately, you know, because I don't I
don't know what's it. H I'm not kidding, and right
(29:15):
literally and I go to her manager that's back there,
and I go, hey, man, do you know about this
guy he just talked to me? And I explained this
whole story and he goes, I know that person is
and I go okay, and I was like, are you guys,
like okay, do you need help or anything? And he goes, well,
he's like we've dealt with him before. And I was
like did he go away? And I was like, yeah,
he did, and I was like okay, And I kind
(29:35):
of told security at the time, it's like, don't if
there's some like weird guy that you saw me talking to,
don't let him in the building. But like that's the
level of severity I'm talking about, And like, until you
like really see it, it's kind of it doesn't feel real.
It feels like this kind of thing that doesn't exist,
(29:56):
you know, that level of fandom, and then you really
see it and it just really is like I don't
you know, there's no better way. It's just kind of upsetting,
you know what I mean, Like it's like you said,
it's very much objectification and entitlement to be like they
deserve this from.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Me, yeah, or it's more of like I want this
reaction from them, I want this this moment from them.
I'm entitled to this moment because I love their music.
And it's like, no, dude, they don't. Here's the thing.
It's like and like it matters so much, like I
think what puts it in the best perspective. I don't
(30:37):
remember what piece of media I was listening to, but
someone was saying, like in the celebrity situation, like the
power dynamic, the the celebrity is everything to the person
and the person is nothing to the celebrity.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
It's a good thing, I mean at the end of
the day, like like like I was saying, if you
took that situation, I just explained to you, out of
any context, a older man is trying to give a
sixteen year old ay you know, unmarked thing of chili
for some reason because he likes her so much. Oh
my god, you know what I mean. But then we
just normalize that because it's like, oh it's music.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I think, like, and that's honestly
part of the thing with the industry. I think like
there was a long stream of like situations kind of
like that that like most industry professionals even have a
hard time showing that they're music fans. I think because
they are afraid of being like put into that level
(31:37):
right there. They're afraid of like people being like, oh,
they're the crazy fan that like managed to get into
the industry and like wants to work with these people,
and it's kind of it just ruins it for everybody. Man,
like just be a human being. Does treat people with respect,
(31:58):
you know, treat strange like they're strangers, Like be respectful,
but don't be creepy, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, man, I don't you know. It's it's it's one
of the things we got to look at for and
it seems like there's not really a clear, you know,
way other than enhanced security. And I literally was thinking
about that when I was reading the show. I was like, what,
maybe VIP's got to go through two sets of security,
you know, if they're sitting down in the front row,
if they're in throwable range, you know, but then you
(32:29):
risk upsetting the people who are paying the most money possible.
So I don't know. It's a difficult answer. It's definitely
one that's going to get more difficult. That's you know,
social media is already so present in our lives and
becomes even more present.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Speaking of social media, there was a viral video of
pop star Lewis Capaldi that you guys might have seen
on TikTok reels wherever you get your vertical content nowadays.
But Lewis Capaldi was filmed during his set at Glastonbury
(33:09):
where he couldn't complete his massive song someone You Loved
on stage due to a tauret's tick attack, which Capaldi
has been very vocal in the past of like dealing
with turets and dealing with anxiety and dealing honestly with
like a lot of tour exhaustion. But he put a
(33:31):
statement out after that video came out and he finished
his set. He said, quote, hello everyone. First of all,
thank you to Glastonbury for having me, for singing along
when I needed it, and for all the amazing messages afterwards.
It really does mean the world. In fact, this probably
won't come as a surprise, doesn't make it any easier
(33:52):
to write, but I'm very sorry to let you know
that I am going to be taking a break from
touring for the foreseeable fuel Sure. I used to be
able to enjoy every second of shows like this, and
I hope that three weeks away would have sorted me out,
But the truth is I'm still learning to adjust to
the impact of my turettes, and on Saturday it became
(34:14):
obvious that I need to spend much more time getting
my mental and physical health in order so that I
can keep doing everything I love for a long time
to come. I know I'm incredibly fortunate to be able
to take some time out when others can't, and I'd
like to thank my amazing family, friends, team, medical professionals,
(34:34):
and all of you who have been so supportive every
step of the way through the good times, and even
more so during this past year when I needed it
more than ever. I'm so incredibly sorry to everyone who
had planned to come to a show before the end
of the year, but I need to feel well to
perform at the standard you all deserve. Playing playing every
(34:57):
night is all I ever dreamed of, so this has
been the most difficult decision of my life. I'll be
back as soon as I possibly can. Heart all my
love always Lewis X, and, as Variety points out, Capaldi
has been open about his struggles with mental health and
Tourette syndrome, which he actually was officially diagnosed one year
(35:21):
ago in twenty twenty two. Only one year has he
been like able to like really deal with this at
like a medical capacity. And he also just had his
massive Netflix documentary come out, How I'm Feeling Now, which
documented his journey after being diagnosed, as well as his
(35:43):
rise to fame, which happened around the same time. So
as you can see, it's like very chaotic for him,
and I feel like anybody put in that position would
have a really really hard time, especially you know, even
if they were at like a more healthy spot. Feel
like people would have such a hard time dealing with
(36:03):
the pressure. But Colin, have you have you seen anything
about this? Like, do you know about the stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I heard that I did not know it was due
to his you know, struggles with turets, but I did
hear about him, you know, kind of taking a foreseeable
future hiatus from touring. I definitely think that it's I mean,
(36:30):
it's a it's a hard thing to really deal with,
but I think it's a very adult and appropriate response.
The way he said it, it's I don't think I
can perform at the standard that you guys deserve. Yeah,
at the end of the day currently, And I think
it was important to note that this is something that
he struggles with and a health concern, and that like,
(36:51):
this is a two way streak when it got you know,
we need the fans to be there to support, and
we also need the artists to be wanting to be there.
And I think a lot of people forget about the
artist part of it, and they just think, oh, well,
we got to get fifty thousand fans in it, right,
And it's like, well, you also have to get one
person that's willing to perform at a professional level and can, right,
And clearly, you know, Cavaldi here is saying that, like
(37:15):
the combination probably mentally and physically that he cannot. So
I think it is appropriate for him to give this response.
I definitely think that specifically his career has been very interesting,
just because it feels very early still in his career.
I mean, I believe, like I'm looking at now, he's
the same age as you and I in twenty six
(37:38):
and he kind of blew up first in twenty nineteen,
twenty eighteen. But like it felt, Capaldi kind of feels
like a lot like how he's he feels very much
like a UK artist in the way that like I
think he's a big force in the UK and still
coming through the United States, but like I feel like
(37:59):
he was still breaking through, you know, the UK and
coming to the United States and becoming more of a
world power, you know what, everything right, And I think
that for a lot of people that's upsetting, right because
it feels like, well, you know, you don't get this
shot all the time, it doesn't come around every day,
and so why would you kind of throw that away
(38:20):
if you just feel you're not doing maybe your best.
But that's kind of the point of it, right. I
think that Capaldi, you know, is doing a smart thing
here in taking a step back from the hypothetical lows
that maybe he would face by forcing himself to go
out there and perform, because in this day and age,
sadly we cannot you can't pull a you know, a
(38:42):
Beatles or Brian Wilson or you know all that. You
can't just be like I'm not going to wear ever again.
It's just a requirement and to be a successful artist.
So I think that for Capaldi, it would be good
to take this time reflect while going out kind of
at his current top right now, and that will enable
him to hopefully potentially slide back into where he was
(39:07):
and even go to greater heights. What will not enable
him to do that is that if he has a
lot of negative you know, press and negative experiences due
to things that are controllable by him when it comes
to taking time and you know, actually trying to hopefully,
you know, deal with this new part of his life,
(39:30):
right I do.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I think I would say, like it seems like a
lot of the I feel like in we've covered this before,
like artists taking a step back and like canceling shows
for mental health for whatever other reason. In one case,
so what was that show that was canceled because he
wanted to see a football game or something?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Oh are you talking about? Is that? I feel like
that's Eric Church?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
But I think it was Eric Church. Yeah, I'm pretty sure,
or something. I don't know, we could be, but yeah, yeah.
But I will say like when he was having this
tick attack, his fans sung the song for him during
the set, and it was actually a very beautiful moment,
and I think, like I think a lot of people,
(40:19):
I think he his fandom is very supportive of his
decision here, and I think a lot of it honestly
because of the documentary, because of his outspokenness with his
turettes and being transparent, which in some for some people
might be too transparent in it for them, but for him,
I think has worked out in a very very great
(40:41):
way to where he can be like, Hey, this is
something I've been dealing with, and I've been talking about
the fact that I've been dealing with it, So I'm
going to step away for a little bit and get better.
And I think like, because it's not so sudden, the
fans are able to kind of grip with that reality
more than like, you know, if you know, Dual Lipa
(41:05):
just kind of dropped that on people after like one
show and then it was like, oh, I'm out, and
then it would have been like a swarm of attention, right,
and like a lot of negative attention in most cases.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
But he definitely, you know, took a very brave step
in admitting to the public this thing that he's struggling
with and will struggle with, right, And I think that
that has prepared his audience in the greater world to
be prepared for a situation like this, Like you're saying,
it's not like he was, you know, in the dark
(41:40):
about this and the issues he's had around it, right,
Like he immediately from the beginning of his diagnosis. And
then also, like you're saying, made a film describing, you know,
the perils of this that have caused on his life
in his career. So he I think he's emotionally prepared
and also just given an time to his audience to
(42:01):
go this could be a thing, you know what I mean,
This could be a reality. And what's kind of amazing
in that is it's not like, you know, a lot
of people would say, oh, well, he could have just
dealt with it or whatever, and then people would obviously
find out because they're interested in Lewis Capaldi. And I'm like, yeah,
but he did something that a lot of people won't do,
which is he really took charge of his own narrative.
(42:23):
In that way, he took charge and said, Hey, I'm
going to tell my story about it instead of just
you know it going through the press circles and being like,
do you know the Lewis Capaldi struggles with Tourette's. He
was like, no, let me put it in the way
that I experience it and I feel it with the documentary,
with telling my friends, with being you know, open about it,
(42:43):
and he took charge of that, and that's something that's
very difficult to do and very you know, open hearted
and just vulnerable to do. You know what I mean
like that that's the end of the day, is that
he had to take that struggle that he was having
and just literally let people rip him apart for it,
you know, in the public that are just going to
(43:04):
be mean, and he did it, and I think it's
prepared him to be able to hopefully step back into
live performance because, like I said, I just sad in
this day and age, we're not of the point yet
just because of how recorded music works that you could
pull you know, like a sixties or seventies band and
just be like, no, I'm not going to tour anymore.
(43:25):
And only the really big bands could do that, right,
And I think that it's sadly a requirement of today's age.
So it's definitely one that's going to impact him immediately.
It's going to impact you know, him, his loved ones,
his family and all this kind of stuff. It's going
to impact his psyche when it comes to, you know,
what he's doing as an artist, because that's not going away,
(43:47):
you know what I mean. He's an artist here now
and forever, regardless of what's going on. And so I
think that thankfully he's created a nice you know, if
he was on the incline, instead of causing a dip,
he's created a platform that maybe slowly descending as time
goes on, and maybe he's not like in the forefront
as much if he doesn't tour as much, right, but
(44:10):
he's created a platform that can be a springboard for
him to bounce off of as opposed to immediately being
in decline with you know, trying to keep this all
in the dark. Yeah, And so I you know, I
applaud him for that, to be honest, Like, I think
it's very I think it's very brave of him because
there's a lot of people that would try to keep
that would say this is too personal, this is just
too myself, which is their right to do. But I
(44:32):
think in the end, this was the smarter move and honestly,
the more brave move to do because of the vulnerability
it requires Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Mean, ultimately it's a job too that isn't worth killing
yourself over. And I think that, you know, maybe some
people would argue against that of like, oh, the best
artists sort of like the most tormented ones, but it's like,
I truly don't think that that's true. I think the
best artists are the ones who like creating. And if
(45:05):
you are increasingly more and more situations of where you're
just sitting there being like I don't like to create
and I feel like I'm forced to create, then the
work is worse in my opinion, And I feel like
it's just even even from like a fan perspective, it's
(45:26):
like I would feel bad listening to a record that
an artist was forced to make and in like a
certain timeframe right where it's like you want them to
be like truthful and be themselves and be authentic.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Right, and if you want to get real capitalistic with
it at the same time, like if let's say the
label or somebody was like, hey, I'm going to force this,
you know what I mean, Like you need to make
a new record or something I'm pretty sure signed probably
like EMI or something like that, right, and so like
it would say he was on you know, the label
(46:06):
and stuff like that. They're like, we're going to force
you to do this like this just in a capitalistic sense,
like take away, like the humanity of it, this just
kind of gives him more ammo to be like no,
and like, you guys publicly know what I'm dealing with.
My fans know what it is. You guys will be
the biggest demons in the world if you guys try
to force me to do something. I'm not comfortable here
(46:28):
right because I've clearly shown through you know how I've
talked about it and a whole documentary how much this
hurts my you know, ability to create, in my quality
to create. So I think he's created a you know,
any at the end of the day, it's going to
adversely affect him immediately, right Like it's going to But
(46:51):
he's created probably the best possible way to have a
step back from touring, you know what I mean, in
a situation that is beyond his control.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
I think people are really going to come back, Like
I even in like if we're looking at the capitalistic
angle of this as well of like demand, I think
the demand for seeing him live is going to skyrocket
even more after this, because I think people are very
aware of the fact that touring is very hard for
(47:22):
him and it might not come as often as some
other artists, and so it's like it's very special to
see him if you're able to do that. And so like,
I think the demand of of of his live section
of his music career is gonna is going to increase,
(47:46):
and I would.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Argue a lot, right and I you know, I wish
the best for him in the end of the day,
because look, like I said, I cannot understate the immediate
consequences this well yeah, right, Well, I mean, like there
is there is, you know, a factor where if you
step away from this kind of stuff that it you know,
may not ever come back the exact same way, just
(48:10):
because of the way that time changes and tastes change.
But it's one of those things that at least now
he's created steps to enable himself to do it in
a healthy way as well as in a way that
feels natural, I feel like.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
To fans, yeah, I will say, like you can watch
there's tons of interviews that he has out on YouTube
wherever where he talks about his struggles with it, and
it's honestly he struggles directly with touring as well, and
it's pretty heartbreaking, like what he has kind of pushed
(48:43):
himself through, because there's still so much that he has
to work through and be like with you know, any
anything in the music industry, and it's kind of I mean,
we've talked about it at nauseum at this point, but
like a lot of people in the music industry, ourselves included,
(49:03):
tend to value our work over our own health and
that is not conducive to a healthy lifestyle in general.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
I mean it's that and they see I think the
other thing is more of a lot of people, and
especially artists, because at the end of the day, it
feels like you are creating this thing that is almost
like an essence of you. People associate their work as
their as them, you know what I mean, Like what
you do as yourself boundary, you have your sense of
being right like and so that's just dangerous. So like
(49:38):
that's why I think in this situation like this, it
is compellingly vulnerable and you know, heartbreaking for him because
it's almost I don't want to say every artist has it,
but almost every artist I know has that thing where
they see their work nobody's like, you know, a lot
of people struggle with this just in daily life, right
(49:59):
like if you're you know, a florist or somebody who
does anything creative, right like or a baker or something
that creates. But something innately about music is so personal
that people associate their personal well being with it and
their personal self with it that it's so hard to separate.
So I'm sure for capality it's even hard to step
away from that because they're thinking they're losing part of
(50:20):
them or they're like betraying part of them, and that,
you know, is the most vulnerable part of this whole thing.
In my opinion, other than you know, opening up about
obviously his struggles with his disease, is that like he
as an artist is probably losing a part of him
and as self worth of himself. Again speculating, but just
how I feel, like you know, I would feel, or
(50:41):
something like that, or other artists, based on who I've
talked to, would feel, is that they're just losing a
part of their self worth a little bit. But I think,
like I said, I think he's created a wonderful springboard
for himself. I think he's created an atmosphere and an
environment and fandom that will appreciate that he's taking this time,
understand why he's staking this time, and you know, hopefully
(51:04):
for him he is rewarded in this, But sadly, you know,
they're there's sometimes just taste change. Time goes on and
people try to come back and it just doesn't happen
as well. You know. But even for someone who's struggling
with a you know, diseases and stuff like this, like him, like,
just the ability to come back healthy is worth everything
(51:25):
and is priceless compared to a you know, a higher
level fandom.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Our favorite time of the day, Colin, what have you
been listening to?
Speaker 1 (51:39):
I've been listening to. I've been listening actually to a
lot of Eisley Brothers lately, which if you've ever listened
to like any ninety I guarantee you probably. I would
say a majority of a lot of rap music, especially
from the early nineties and eighties, is samples of the
(52:02):
Isley Brothers, which is kind of insane, Like all Doctor
Drake stuff or all Doctor Drake stuff is Isley Brothers,
like all of it. It's crazy the amount of samples
that are in Like, but if you want to give example,
there's an album I really like. It's called Go for
Your Guns, and it's so good. If you was in
(52:22):
the song Footsteps in the Dark, you'll immediately know what
it is because it's the just wicking up in the
morning gotta thank God ice Cube, you know, like it's
that sample and it's really interesting to hear the full
song now, and that's kind of what drove me to it.
But like the band itself is great. Actually, one of
the guys that I worked with a work used to
mix The Isley Brothers in the seventies and I was
(52:43):
talking about him talking with him about it, and he
was like, dude, they were the nicest people and like
it to the crew and he was basically like, nobody
knew how good they were. It was insane. They were
just insanely undervalued. So yeah, go listen to Go for
Your Guns by the Isley Brothers. My personal favorite is
Living in the Life, which I think it's a really fun,
like straight to the point song, which is about like
(53:05):
it literally he goes, people think I'm living in the life,
people think I have such a great life, and he goes,
you don't know what I deal with and I don't
know you so stop assuming, which is kind of great
because it's kind of they've been the whole episode of
you know, kind of the whole moral of the episode
this week. So yeah, Joe, and you've been listening to.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
I have been still in a music rut a bit,
which is kind of disappointing, but luckily it's kind of
slowly getting out of it. Charlie Adams came out with
a single today, cry over Everything. Should definitely check it out.
It is so so good. I've been listening a lot
also to Nick Lang. He has a song called two
(53:45):
Birds that I really enjoy. He's got like he's kind
of like you can definitely tell he's like a Beatles fan,
just like with his weird structure of songwriting. But also
he's very like florally if that makes sense, Like with
the way he describes Yeah, I don't know, like more
storytelling right of like it's very like textural and like
(54:10):
you can like feel the song kind of like the
way he's like describing stuff, and it's really cool. Like
his production is top notch, such such a good, honestly destography.
I listened to Starfucker yesterday and I haven't listened to
them in a minute. But like, if you ever get
the chance favorite yeah, I mean, like if you ever
(54:32):
get a chance to like see Starfucker live, They're they're
so amazing, like beyond insane live, such such good performers.
And then I've also been kind of like listening to
Pine Grove because like I never got in the hype
of Pine Grove.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
Pine Grove shovel, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
Mean that song slaps. I'm not gonna lie. That song's
really really good.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
But is that called two or something I gets called
h need to That's what it is, Yeah, And like
it's it's most likely going to be their like biggest song.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
I mean, it's like their biggest song two Friends. But yeah,
it's like an older what's crazy is like it's kind
of like it's kind of like an older song, but
they're re releasing it and like they kind of they
kind of saw the hype and they re released it,
and I think it like pushed it to people's feeds more.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah, if you're interested in what we're talking about, just
look up Pine Grove Shuffle on uh TikTok. And that's
kind of what the thing that spurred everything. Yeah, it's
just this kid who's doing this like this heavy backbeat
song needs like need to It's just so funny to
watch them do the pine Grove shuffle. And basically he
just goes imagine if we like he doesn't say this,
(55:48):
but people in the comments are like, imagine like one
hundred people at a concert trying to do this at once.
It would be so funny. And it's just this like
heavy step forward dance and some of the guys at
work love doing it. It's really fun. And so I
actually found a video too, if you find it, and
it's this guy who's also performing at the song and
doing the pine grove shuffle at the same time, Like
(56:10):
he's hitting the kick and the bass drum with the
shuffle beats, and it kills me every time.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
So sick. But yeah, that uh, that about does it?
Speaker 1 (56:22):
That about does it? Thank you for you sound like
you're just entering like a PowerPoint present About that about
does it? That was Algeria, everybody. You know what, dude,
it's kind of wild to think about that now, like
PowerPoint presentations when you were a child, Like he would
just be like, and remember was the conquest of Spain.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, we just sat and watched very poorly made power
points our whole lives, dude, God some some of the
some of the power points were rough man like I
just remember like certain teachers is not having a grip
on it.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
But luckily we do. Yeah, the the do you know? Okay,
remember guys. You know what, if you're looking for a
good friend in your life, here's a good metric for it.
Speaking of powerpoints, you need someone that you would trust
to change the slides on PowerPoint for you when you
give a presentation. Very true, very that's the level of today.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
That's the person that's gonna be with you. They're they're
the writer.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
I truly right, Lee, go out. If you've not found
that person, go find that person. You gotta guys, thanks
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