The Bloomdaddy Experience with Otis & Sam September 16, 2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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And tick people off.

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The bloom Daddy Experience on news Radio eleven seventy WWVA starts.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Now the bloom Daddy Experience. It's seven oh six on
news Radio eleven seventy.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Former Congressman Jim orn Acy bloo Daddy Show.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Politically, alists presidents no matter the party, need to be
more unifying, diplomatic and actually presidential, not spew or fan
the flames of devisive rhetoric all other political figures as well.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
But it starts at the top your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (00:43):
Well, I do agree with that. I do think that
in the end, politics is already a tough sport, as
I call it, in a blood sport in many cases
that we really do need, really our leaders to talk
more about. Yes, we can have disagreements, but disagreements shouldn't
come down to gunfire. Didn't come down to shots. It

(01:06):
shouldn't come down to you know, I just wrote a
commentary about how much our founders are. You know, our
forefathers came up with the first Amendment, in the second Amendment,
and they came up with the Second Amendment to protect
us for those who wanted to take away our First Amendment.
But now the First Amendment and Second Amendment rights are

(01:27):
actually clashing in many ways, and I think we've got
to be really cautious, especially when it comes to our
First Amendment right and you know, having that right, but
at the same time realizing that gunfire and shootings are
not the answer now.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Of course not.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
And you know, when we sit here and we talk
about rhetoric and how it can incite, all right, you're
going to have Democrats pointing at President Trump and he
has said things that are unpresidential and he shouldn't say.
At the same time, Democrats constantly calling him a racist,
a fascist, A.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Well, I mean, pick anything else that you want to pick.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
That's going to stop also because that is just as insightful,
it's false in it. You know, there's a lot of
crazy people out there, as we know, Jim, and all
they need is a little bit of fuel, and the
Democrats supply it.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
When it comes to Trump.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
Well, I would agree, and that's why I said it's
both sides. It's we've got to tone down the rhetoric.
The sad thing is we've been saying that since twenty
eleven when Gabby Giffert was shot as a US congresswoman,
and you know, this just continues, continues. It's the rhetoric
that comes from individuals that is not necessary. We can disagree.

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And by the way, I've said this time and time again,
one thing I learned when I was in Congress is
no matter what your positions are, I guarantee you in
that room of four hundred and thirty five members, there's
somebody who is absolutely has the position and disagrees with you.
That doesn't mean you can't walk past them, you can't
say hello, you can't communicate with them. You can still

(03:08):
disagree with them. But it's gone way too far. But
Congress did teach me that I don't care what your
opinions are, what your thoughts are, There's always somebody in
that room it's going to one hundred percent disagree with them,
and you just got to learn to understand that you're
not going to change their positions. They're not going to
change yours. That doesn't mean you can't actually, you know,
work together at least on areas that maybe you can

(03:31):
come together on.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Talking to former Congressman Jim or Acy. You were in
the belly of the beast for a number of years. Okay,
so you know what goes on behind the scenes. I'm
going to ask you a very pointed question. I want
an honest answer. I have heard from other politicians who
I'm friends with that behind the curtain, a lot of

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these Republicans and Democrats are actually friends. But when the
curtain opens, it's like a reality show. They hate the
other one, this and that, so on and so forth.
How much does the American public get played on a
daily basis fed this, we hate them, the left is bad,
the right is bad, blah blah blah. But behind closed doors,

(04:15):
these these guys and gals are slapping each other on
the ass and toasting each other.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
Well, it's amazing you said that, because I just spent
six days in overseas in Europe, and that was with
a bipartisan group of members of Congress who basically did that.
They talked to each other friendly, They were on panels together. No,
I will admit every once in a while there were
little fiery discussions back and forth, but in the end

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they had dinner together, they talked, and I was part
of that. And I saw that when I was in Congress.
The problem that has really caused the biggest issue. And
I also heard this one I was in Congress. There
used to always be no TVs in so whatever was
said on the House floor, if somebody wasn't reporting it,
you never saw it. The biggest problem in Washington, DC

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is when they started televising everything that happened in Washington.
Because once they did that, they gave every political elected
official a place to where they could present themselves, raise money,
make comments, and actually rise their level up by trying
to be too far right or too far left. But

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it became a fundraising mechanism, and that's the biggest problem
we have today. Yet some of those people on the
far right and the far left will still, you know,
talk in a regular basis when the TV cameras aren't on.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, it's so we are getting played.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Well, it's funny. I always remember. And I was on
the way the Means Committee, and I still remember arguing
about Trump's tax returns and one of my closest Democrat
friends started calling me, I'm not crazy, and I looked
over at him and I go, what are you talking about?
And after the meeting was over, I walked up to
him and said that was unacceptable. I said, you and

(06:12):
I are friends. He goes, yeah, he goes. But I
had to tell people on my side, you're crazy because
what you were saying, and that, yeah, we do get played.
That's probably the best way of putting it. In the end,
there are differences opinion. Don't get me wrong. There are
individuals that disagree with policy and principles in those rooms

(06:32):
in the but also in the end, nobody's pulling guns
out and nobody's shooting, and that's what we really have
to get away from, especially in this political environment.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Hi, Jim, appreciate the candor. Thanks so much.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
Welcome back at seven eighteen on your Tuesday morning. The
blim Daddy Experience Sam and Otis News Radio eleven seventy
WWVA my headphone sound different, Otis. I feel like I
have an echo. I don't know what that is all about.
Interesting anyways, I'm kind of back to the conversation with
Jim or Nasi. I thought that was interesting when bloom

(07:19):
Daddy basically called out and said, you know, we're all
being played, and the pause that he had because it
was almost if the curtain was pulled back a little
bit because there are times where you stop and you think,
what is actually going on behind the scenes, What is
it really like, you know, with everything that's going on nationally.

(07:42):
I said this to a friend last week who was
actually doing all of this. And I don't want to
sound I don't want to sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist.
I don't want to sound like a radical anything like that.
But you stopping, you take a step back and you

(08:02):
look at some of the people. You know, the the
butler Pennsylvania assass attempted assassin, the young man last week
with Charlie Kirk, the ages of these young men, the
accusations against them, about their party aphiliation. You know, everything
that's going on, and you kind of step back and

(08:23):
you say, who is really pulling the strings? Who is
pitting one side against the other? Is it really anybody
from one side or the other or is it a
third party? I don't know. Again, I don't want to
sound like a whack job, but I can't help but

(08:47):
question that otis just rolled his eyes at me. I'm sorry,
I can't help but ask that. Honestly, I can't one
thing that has been asked a couple times I wanted
to throw out there from folks. People have reached out
and asked me if I am aware if we have

(09:08):
been contacted by anybody, any organization who is possibly planning
a local visual for Charlie Kirk. If you saw it
was announced that the twenty I believe it's the twenty first,
which is this weekend, this Sunday, the memorial for Charlie

(09:32):
Kirk is happening. But I have been contacted by folks
asking if we know of any local visuals that are
going to be happening. So I'm going to put this
out here that if you are planning something or considering
or listen. I know it's quick and fast to pull
something off. If you are doing something, please reach out

(09:53):
let us know. We will put it out there, which
is you can email simply Sam at iHeartMedia dot com.
That's I am at iHeartMedia dot com. Again, if you
are planning a visual or any type of event surrounding
Charlie Kirk and the assassination, please pass that along to

(10:13):
us and I will put that out there on our
social media and bring it up here on the show
to let people know what is what is happening. We're
going to try and keep it a little light today.
Yesterday was was was heavy, last week was heavy. So
we're gonna kind of lighten it up a little bit.
Otis you and I were talking about some fun things

(10:38):
before the show, and how did we even get on it?
Was it the Plato that we were talking No, it
wasn't Playdo No.

Speaker 7 (10:48):
But it is National Plato day.

Speaker 6 (10:49):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 7 (10:51):
So and you were talking about the smell of playdos.
Oh yeah, Well, we were talking about one of the
topics here is all what you get with money that
you raise. And then all of a sudden we were like,
we got into what you things that you sold when
you were in school?

Speaker 6 (11:10):
Oh oh yes, yes, that.

Speaker 7 (11:12):
Was one of the things that we got on.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
And what was the first thing you ever spent your
own money on?

Speaker 8 (11:17):
What was it?

Speaker 7 (11:17):
Yeah? And so it says can you remember what? Because
it says the kids today are out spending what There
a lot of allowances, so they're basically getting like one
hundred and twenty dollars a month allowance roughly.

Speaker 6 (11:30):
Wait, there's the talk that's the average.

Speaker 7 (11:34):
But they're spending one hundred and seventy dollars a month.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
Well, so that's the American way, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (11:40):
But the question is, do you remember the first thing
you bought with your own money? And hell, that's been
so long ago.

Speaker 8 (11:47):
Like.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
I don't even know if what I remember is correct,
but it was the very first thing to pop into
my head.

Speaker 7 (11:55):
Well, then we got on Columbia House records and tapes,
and then we get on like what you're.

Speaker 6 (11:59):
Doing with school and publishers clearing.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
House and so you know, like I was thinking, I
don't remember the very first thing I bought with my
own money, but I can almost guarantee you that it
was it was a record of some sort. It was
either an album or a forty five, or it was
baseball cards.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
I would guess record for you.

Speaker 7 (12:17):
I would guess record too, because the first time I
got baseball cards, well, I had a couple packs when
I was younger, and I destroyed them because I played
with them. And I was ten years old and I
had cut my knee up and cleared to the bone,
and so I just I was in the operating room
for like three hours, and the only thing I wanted

(12:37):
was baseball cards, and I wanted ten packs of baseball
cards and my dad was like, I'm not buying you
ten packs because ten packs would have been a dollar.
They were ten cents a pack at the time. Ten
cards in a pack, so you got one hundred cards
for they were a penny of card nineteen seventy five.
I'll never forget them because that was the first year
that I started coacting baseball cards. And but I didn't

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buy that with my own money, so I was I
was always into music my parents. My dad listened to country.
Of course I couldn't handle country. Some of it I could,
but like my mom had some records that were sixties
like pop. I guess you'd call it early seventies pop.
John Denver was in there, and I would just I mean,

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I would play. And then I got a record player
one year for Christmas, and then I started buying forty
fives like there was no tomorrow. And they're all gone
now most I think most of.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
Them are gone, but you still wish you still had them.

Speaker 7 (13:38):
They probably wouldn't be worth anything because the I played
them so lately they were so they were probably scratched
and everything else. But I still have some albums left.
I think my oldest son has confiscated a few of them.

Speaker 6 (13:51):
So if you can remember the first thing you bought,
call us one sixty two for eleven seventy the first
thing you bought with your own money, So for you know,
moan the grass jobs or your paper route or whatever.
What's the first thing you remember purchasing? Like, this is
my money, this is what I want, this is what
I'm going to buy. We're gonna have some fun with

(14:11):
that this morning, So you can call us.

Speaker 7 (14:13):
I can tell you this, mm hm. So I have
cousins that lived that lived in New York at the time,
and they came to Wheeling to visit our grandmother, and
so they stayed with her, and I think so my
mom took him out and we went to National Record
Mark right down here, okay, in on Market Street, and

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my mom told them that they could pick out a record. Now,
keep in mind, like forty five's at the time were
like seventy eight cents. Well I wanted one too, and
I couldn't get one. Now what my cousin, the girl
was three years older than me, the boys about five
or six years older than me. I can tell you
exactly what they bought. He bought Bachman Turner over drive

(14:55):
taking care of business, and she bought the huge corporation
don't rock the boat, because I was so mad that
I didn't get one. I remembered to this day what
they bought.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
Because you couldn't get what you wanted. I remember what
I think, I remember what it was for me. I
remember Christmas, Oh God, I was ten, maybe nine or ten.
I got my first boon box. Anybody who was a
kid of the eighties remembers these. They were the longer,
skinnier ones. Mind was pink. A lot of people had
pink ones. I am pretty sure the first thing I

(15:27):
ever bought was the cassette of the soundtrack of Karate
Kid Part two. I am pretty sure that's the first
thing I ever bought with my own money.

Speaker 7 (15:38):
Oh we got a call, we got Dave. Dave, what'd
you buy with your first your money? Did?

Speaker 8 (15:42):
You?

Speaker 7 (15:42):
Made?

Speaker 9 (15:44):
My first major purchase while working at Fisher's Big Wheel
Nice Sport was a stereo from King's Jewelry and Downtown Wheeling,
and I made payments on it. What were the payments,
I don't remember, Probably twenty five bucks or something.

Speaker 7 (16:00):
That much that back then. Oh wow, oh.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
Yeah, it was a threeeos.

Speaker 7 (16:06):
Okay, okay, well that that makes sense.

Speaker 9 (16:08):
That player and eight track on it.

Speaker 7 (16:10):
Nice. Yeah, that's you still have it? Oh hell no, Well,
you know you got to ask sometimes, you know, you
store that stuff in the garage and then the next thing,
you know, you pull it out there it is.

Speaker 9 (16:24):
Well, the clothes didn't fit anymore, so I got rid
of all of it.

Speaker 7 (16:29):
There your bell bottoms didn't fit anymore. But Fisher's big.
There's the name of the past.

Speaker 9 (16:34):
That's it.

Speaker 7 (16:35):
All right, all right, man man, thanks for the call. Oh,
have a good day, you boy.

Speaker 6 (16:39):
I remember Big Wheel on Bridgeport.

Speaker 7 (16:41):
I remember the one down on twenty ninth Street.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
I don't remember that one.

Speaker 7 (16:44):
Oh I loved going The windows were painted black. I
mean it was it was like you went in there,
it was like a dungeon.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
Didn't that become Hills?

Speaker 8 (16:51):
No?

Speaker 7 (16:51):
No, okay, Hills was in Benwood.

Speaker 6 (16:53):
Oh that's right, seven twenty eight. If we want to
get in on this conversation one hundred six two for
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it's seven twenty eight on your Tuesday. The Bloomdaddy Experience
Sam and Otis News Radio eleven seventy WWVA.

Speaker 8 (17:09):
Well.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
The arrest papers in Taler Robinson's case show how Utah
state authorities in tend to pursue capital punishment.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
In the death of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
It's aggravated murder capital crime, and Utsaught requires certain factors
to be met in order to secure a death sentence. Also,
Robinson was arrested on state charges, but federal charges.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Could come later.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
People can be separately prosecuted for the same alleged actions
of both state and federal court. We're seeing that in
the case of Luigi Mangione, who pleaded not guilty to
murder in the shooting death of healthcare executive Brian Thompson.
So is this an open and shut death penalty case?
Jeremy Rosenthal legal expert. He was a prosecutor before becoming
a defense attorney. He's tried over two hundred jury cases. Jeremy,

(17:51):
open and shut or not so fast?

Speaker 5 (17:54):
Not so fast?

Speaker 10 (17:55):
I think it's an open shut, guilt innocence case. There's
the evidence is mounting and it's overwhelming. I heard a
report this morning. They've got DNA evidence on the weapon
and on the towel.

Speaker 8 (18:09):
That the weapon was wrapped up in.

Speaker 10 (18:11):
You've got confessions there, so that part all kind of
takes care of itself.

Speaker 8 (18:15):
Death penalty cases are hard. I don't care what anybody
tells you.

Speaker 10 (18:20):
It's hard to prove that somebody is so bad and
so terrible.

Speaker 8 (18:25):
That they need to be executed.

Speaker 10 (18:27):
The Parkland, Florida shooter, he went into a school, murdered
multiple people, and a jury was not convinced there that
he needed to die. So a lot of this is
going to come down.

Speaker 8 (18:41):
To the mitigation.

Speaker 10 (18:42):
But I think it's I think guilt and innocence is
going to be a foregone conclusion here. The death penalty
is always a really tough mountain to climb.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
I don't understand that as I sit here listening to you,
and I'm sure my listeners are in the same boat.
You've got a guy premeditated murder, climbs a roof, shoots
a guy and kills him in front of two thousand people.
How in the hell does that not warrant the death
or I shouldn't say, warrant the death penalty. How in
the hell is that not an open and shut death

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penalty case.

Speaker 10 (19:16):
When you're talking about the death penalty, you're going to
cycle through a lot of potential jurors, and you're you're
going to talk to people the both the government and
the accused are entitled to jurors who are really.

Speaker 8 (19:30):
Open minded, and you go through a whole ton of them.

Speaker 10 (19:32):
In this case, you're going to have a whole lot
of people that if a juror says there's going to
be there.

Speaker 8 (19:37):
There's a lot of jurors.

Speaker 10 (19:39):
Who come in and say, I just couldn't execute anybody,
and those people get eliminated because they can't follow the law.
The law says you have to be able to consider
the death penalty, so the government will be able to strike.

Speaker 8 (19:52):
A lot of people.

Speaker 10 (19:53):
On the other side, mister Robinson's the jurors that the
that he's looking for are people that he doesn't think
he thinks are predisposed to the death penalty, or people
who who have not yet formed an opinion about the case,
which is very, very very hard to do. So you're
talking about twelve people who watch podcasts about cats and

(20:19):
dogs and wear t shirts that say plant that's who's
going to decide this.

Speaker 8 (20:24):
That's who's going to decide this.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Talking to Jeremy Rosenthal, legal expert, So let's take it
for the prosecution angle used to be a prosecutor. What
do prosecutors need to prove in this case?

Speaker 8 (20:37):
The standards.

Speaker 10 (20:38):
So, first off, let's go back to guilt innosence, even
though I kind of brushed over that. First off, anytime
you're talking about a capital case, capital murder is murder
plus an aggravating factor. Obviously you've got the murder here.
The aggravating factor it has to be something.

Speaker 8 (20:56):
That that is an excess.

Speaker 10 (20:59):
Right it is, say the age of the victim, right
if it's a child, or if the victim is a
police officer.

Speaker 8 (21:06):
That's another reason why cases go capital.

Speaker 10 (21:09):
If there are multiple victims in a murder, that's capital.
If it's in the furtherance of another felony, that's a capital.
The theory that I think makes the most sense to
me is under Utah law, if you are endangering other people,
then you then you then it becomes a felony, or
then it becomes a capital case. So if you kill people,

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if you kill somebody and then you endanger other people, then.

Speaker 8 (21:34):
Then that's when that sort of happened.

Speaker 10 (21:36):
So in this instance, you had a shooting in front
of however many thousand people, you could have absolutely had
more people hurt or injured or killed just because of.

Speaker 8 (21:46):
How this went.

Speaker 10 (21:47):
So so I think that's the theory that they're going
to use. So if I'm a prosecutor, I'm kind of
focusing on that angle. The state prosecution bed's probably going
to focus.

Speaker 8 (21:55):
More on the are we going for a broader movement? Here?
Is this a is this a terroristic attack? Right?

Speaker 10 (22:04):
Which a lot of comparisons here to Luigi Manji writing right,
And in that instance, you had a manifesto, we hate
insurance companies so bad that the whole all of us
are going to rise up.

Speaker 8 (22:16):
Against the insurance companies, and.

Speaker 10 (22:18):
That was kind of what he was going for. I
don't know that we've seen something quite the same from
Tyler Robinson. We may very well, But if I'm a prosecutor,
that's kind of what I'm focusing on. But to get
to the death penalty, you've got to prove that he
is a future danger. And that's why it's so hard
is because, Okay, what you did was heinous, which you

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did was terrible. All murders that you see are like that, right,
So what makes him dangerous going forward? If I'm the government,
I'm saying, listen, Look at how calculated this was.

Speaker 8 (22:54):
Right, You don't wake up one morning.

Speaker 10 (22:56):
And decide to just hop on a roof and you know,
grab Papa's shotgun over there, and you know, here we go. No,
this thing was meticulously planned out. There was some additional training.
Certainly had that. Certainly he had practiced with a firearm before.
That's the type of thing that I'm pointing to if

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I am the government to try to get.

Speaker 8 (23:17):
A death penalty.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
All right, well, I said you were a prosecutor. You
are a defense attorney, So what will his defense team argue?

Speaker 8 (23:25):
On the defense side. You're leaning in heavily, heavily, heavily
to the mitigation.

Speaker 10 (23:30):
You're you're going over school records, You're going over dental records.

Speaker 8 (23:34):
You're talking about when he was dropped when he was
four years old.

Speaker 10 (23:40):
You're you're talking about probably the radicalization. If I'm defending him,
I probably lean into the exaggerate into the radicalization.

Speaker 8 (23:49):
I probably lean into.

Speaker 10 (23:51):
Look, this is a confused twenty two year old who
had a hard time making friends, and then he goes
to discord or whatever type of weird Internet he's on,
and and.

Speaker 8 (24:04):
You know, that's that's kind of why.

Speaker 10 (24:07):
He was behaving the way he's behaving, but that's not
true who he truly is. So if I'm defending it,
I'm trying to navigate around that future dangerousness issue.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
All Right, Well, thanks for the insight as always, Jeremy.

Speaker 8 (24:22):
All right, I have a great day.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
All Right, you too.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
That is Jeremy Rosenthal Legal Exporty has tried over two
hundred jury cases.

Speaker 6 (24:33):
Seven eight. Welcome back to Blue Daddy Experience, Otis and
Sam News Radio eleven seventy WWVA. I just zoned out
there for a little bit. There's a commercial on TV
for breakfast, and there was bacon. It's a beautiful slice
of bacon on the screen, and I just was staring
at it lovingly.

Speaker 7 (24:54):
I like bacon, but I like sausage better.

Speaker 6 (24:57):
See so does my husband. I'm not a sausage person.
I'm like, yeah, take it or leave it. Give me bacon.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Any day I go to a.

Speaker 7 (25:04):
Restaurant and order breakfast, I order sausage instead of bacon.

Speaker 6 (25:06):
So does he. And he prefers the patties over the links.
It's a big thing.

Speaker 7 (25:11):
They never they never cooked the bacon rate. They don't
cook it the way I like it. It's either too
well done or not enough.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
Ah, you'd like that nice in the middle. I mean,
I've been with people where they order their bacon. There's
the commercial like you.

Speaker 7 (25:24):
Stink like like burning the king thinks like he likes
his where they like if you drop it, it shatters.

Speaker 6 (25:29):
Like yeah, I know people that do the same thing,
and it's like, yeah.

Speaker 7 (25:33):
That goofball texted me on Saturday, okay about what he
was at the WU pit game. Oh, he goes, hey,
you actually you called me? He said, are you down here?
And I said, no, I didn't come down. I said
some things fell through. I was I'm going to see
if somebody wanted to go with me, and that person
had other plans or whatever. And so I said, now

(25:54):
besides that, I didn't have tickets, and that helps.

Speaker 6 (25:57):
That's always a good factor.

Speaker 7 (25:58):
I could always get in.

Speaker 6 (26:01):
Okay, Oh that's right.

Speaker 7 (26:02):
Yeah, how you just say I'm working So anyway, Uh
he called me and then he he says, hey, do
you have so and So's phone number? So I said yeah,
So I texting the phone number with the guy. Then
he put he posts a reel on Facebook and he's
like videotape in the band M I guess you got

(26:23):
to he's filming the band, I guess not videotaping there
walking through and then all of a sudden, there's this
young mom in shorts, like right in the picture. And
I said to him, I said, are you are you
filming the band or the girl in the shorts? And
he just sent back smiley face.

Speaker 6 (26:43):
So it just happens to be in the shot. Yeah,
I'm like, okay, conveniently, conveniently because he's a preverb. Oh,
I heard your phone there. Well, besides all of that,
we are having some fun this morning. So I think
we missed the entire headline in this story, which is
the amount of money that kids are getting for allowances

(27:05):
every month, which on average is one hundred and seventy dollars.
It is up from the one hundred and nineteen dollars
on average that it has been. But it goes back
to our question, which is do you remember the first
thing you bought when you had your own money? So
here you are walking around with twenty bucks in your
pocket and you're like, well, I didn't have twenty bucks.

(27:26):
Let's say five or ten bucks. A what am I
gonna get? What is the first thing I'm gonna get.
So that is our question for today. We're having some
fun with it. You can call us one eight hundred
and six two four eleven seventy, or of course you
can text us seven zero four seven zero is the number,
and then you start the message off with bloom Daddy.

Speaker 7 (27:47):
Well Mark was talking about Fisher's Big Wheel.

Speaker 6 (27:49):
Yes, in Bridgeporton. That's where the high school sits now
right now. That used to be hurt Well, that wasn't
the same thing. Oh, I thought it was.

Speaker 7 (27:57):
Okay, Okay, my memories are at least I don't think
I always remember it as hearts. I don't remember it
as being the big Wheel. I think the big Wheel,
if I'm not mistaken. It's kind of like where their respects.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
And stuff big lots are.

Speaker 7 (28:11):
Okay, that I think that's where it was, because I
remember the big wheel on twenty ninth Street that got
taken out because of the when they put Rutuo in
and four Saturn and so on and so forth. But yeah,
we were talking before the show, and so we just
mentioned Fisher's Big Wheel. We talked about Hills earlier, which
is down in Benwood, and I was telling you, like

(28:35):
when when my mom would go to Hills. I would
go in with her, but I would go straight to
the albums and I would go I would flip through
the albums and you you, you may have heard of
the band, but you really didn't know their music. At
least it was that some of that was for me, like,
you know, I had heard a super Tramp. I knew
some of their music, but I didn't know if the
album was worth buying Breakfast in America. But I mean,

(28:59):
you remember the covers, and you know, me being at
the time, I wasn't a Springsteen fan.

Speaker 8 (29:06):
You know.

Speaker 7 (29:06):
I mean I probably knew like Hungry Heart, I probably
knew you know, Born to Ron and a couple other songs,
but I didn't really realize that it was Springsteen. And
I can, I can. And I was telling you the
Darkness on the Edge of Town album, which is probably
one of his better ones, for you know, pound for
pound each song, and I'm thinking it's just him like

(29:27):
standing in front of blinds or like a slatted door
or something of that nature. And I'm like, Nope, not
buying it, not buy it because I didn't like the
album cover. But like the cars, Candia, they had the
girl leaning back with like she had a like a
mesh top on so you could see through it. And
there was one I can't remember who it is. It's
like a redheaded, skinny girl. She's topless on it.

Speaker 6 (29:49):
That caught your attention more, But.

Speaker 7 (29:50):
I didn't buy the album. Oh but I can't. I
can't remember who that was.

Speaker 6 (29:54):
But that tempted you more to purchase. I don't understand
why topless redhead would would.

Speaker 7 (30:00):
She wasn't that good looking. The one on the Cars
album Candyo was pretty. She wasn't bad.

Speaker 6 (30:06):
I'm sorry to mean. We got a response on our
text line seven zero four seven zero said, bought the
Playboy magazine with Madonna in it.

Speaker 7 (30:14):
Nice. It has been mid to late eighties.

Speaker 6 (30:17):
And then also in regards to the bacon conversation, you
have to try the deep fried bacon it Billy's Brickyard.
It's a game changer.

Speaker 7 (30:27):
Well, Billy's Brickyard is no longer.

Speaker 6 (30:28):
Open all due to the flooding.

Speaker 7 (30:30):
She's actually I think she's just the lady that ran
it just opened up on.

Speaker 6 (30:35):
The island, moved to a new location.

Speaker 7 (30:37):
It's called it was in the old Eden building and
how old yard. It was the old Max Holiday on
the corner of South Walbash in Virginia, Okay, and it's
called Diane's something Diane's Lounge and restaurant or restaurant in
lounge or something of that nature. But it's Diane's.

Speaker 6 (30:54):
Well, hopefully she still has the deep fried bacon because
somebody likes it, like heart attack on a plate, but
worth a try, worth a try.

Speaker 8 (31:05):
No.

Speaker 6 (31:05):
But back to the albums and hit you said something
about Hills. Tell me if I'm alone out there, every
time somebody says Hills, I can immediately smell walking through
the front door.

Speaker 7 (31:18):
Oh the popcorn and.

Speaker 6 (31:19):
All the hot dogs on the spinner thing, the ice,
like immediately my memory can conjure that that aroma. And
I swear, I swear if you walk through Rural King
in Saint Clair's Vale outside the mall, that was Hills
when I was a kid, And honest to God, that
front entrance still smells like Hills, like it's it's in

(31:42):
the walls, like you cannot get rid of it. Maybe
it's just me. I don't know, but as soon as
I hear Hills, I can, I can. I can smell
the popcorn, the like, all of it combined, that whole Yeah,
nobody has snacks dands anymore, do they? Because Gabes they
had one, they don't anymore. Of course the hills are gone.

(32:06):
Ames had it when when James took over Hills. But
those are all gone too. Man, it's not the same boy.
We sound like, we sound like old people.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
We are a people ops old people syndrome. Do you
we don't have ops? Old people smell?

Speaker 6 (32:26):
Well yeah, not yet, do you remember when? Kind of
staying along those lines, we're gonna have your chance to
win do Wop tickets this morning.

Speaker 7 (32:36):
Where did it come from?

Speaker 6 (32:37):
Well, it's coming up very shortly, so there's a hint
for you. Do Wop tickets that's happening October fourth right
here at the Capitol. It's a favorite. It's a favorite, folks.

Speaker 7 (32:47):
So if you Saturday night, that's.

Speaker 6 (32:49):
A Saturday night, so big, big happenings in downtown Wheeling.
Not that it's only old people that want to go
see the do Wop show.

Speaker 7 (32:58):
And we will be publishing the ice cream flavors for
you to vote one later today.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
We came up with sex total.

Speaker 7 (33:04):
Right, I think so, because we had we couldn't eliminate
the one we had to keep. We had to get.
We were gonna go five, but we ended up going
six because we were like, we can't leave this one
off now. It was kind of like the like couldn't uh,
But we also want to send them to Kirk first
to make sure that if if it gets voted in,
that it can actually be made.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
It is feasible, yes, to actually be a com.

Speaker 7 (33:26):
So as of right now, we have six, but Kirk
could whittle that down the five or four depending on it.
He says, there's absolutely no freaking way I can do
this one.

Speaker 6 (33:36):
So we're gonna be putting those up on our Facebook
page for you to vote on. Again. What's the first
thing you ever bought with your own money?

Speaker 7 (33:45):
I like the guy that bought a stereo. I mean
there's people out there that they put they socked their
money away and bought cars. Yeah, Like I couldn't do that,
like burn a hole in my pocket. Money money like
it still does. I spend it as fast as I
can get it.

Speaker 6 (33:58):
Still, Unfortunately it still does for me. Well, you and
baseball cards that's where well, yeah, I have.

Speaker 7 (34:04):
A couple they should be coming in today. But I
mean I haven't really haven't gone crazy.

Speaker 6 (34:08):
Recently now you've it's been what three weeks.

Speaker 7 (34:12):
I'm just kind of focusing on what what I need.

Speaker 6 (34:16):
There, you go, he's being adult sets an adult. He's adulting.
Right now, folks seven to fifty, we're going to go
to a break the bloom Daddy Experienced.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
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Speaker 2 (34:38):
And tick people off.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
The bloom Daddy Experience on news Radio eleven seventy. WWVA
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Speaker 3 (34:47):
News Radio eleven seventy gets the bloom Daddy Experience. Hey,
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Speaker 4 (34:54):
Former Congressman Jim Ornacy Blue Daddy Show political antlists Presidents
no matter the party, need to be more unifying, diplomatic
and actually presidential, not spew or fan the flames of
devisive rhetoric all other political figures as well.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
But it starts at the top your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
Well, I do agree with that. I do think that
in the end, politics is already a tough, tough sport
as they call it, and a blood sport in many
cases that we really do need, really our leaders to
talk more about yes, we can have disagreements, but disagreements
shouldn't come down to gunfire. Didn't come down to shots.

(35:35):
It shouldn't come down to you know, I just wrote
a commentary about how much our founders, you know, our
forefathers came up with the First Amendment in the Second Amendment,
and they came up with the Second Amendment to protect
us for those who wanted to take away our First Amendment.
But now the First Amendment and Second Amendment rights are

(35:56):
actually clashing in many ways. And I think we've got
to be really cautious, especially when it comes to our
First Amendment right and you know, having that right, but
at the same time realizing that gunfire and shootings are
not the answer.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
No, of course not.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
And you know, when we sit here and we talk
about rhetoric and how it can incite, all right, you're
going to have Democrats pointing at President Trump and he
has said things that are unpresidential and.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
He shouldn't say.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
At the same time, democrats constantly calling him a racist,
a fascist.

Speaker 7 (36:30):
A.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Well, I mean, pick anything else that you want to pick.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
That's got to stop also because that is just as insightful,
it's false in it. You know, there's a lot of
crazy people out there, as we know, Jim, and all
they need is a little bit of fuel, and the
Democrats supply it.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
When it comes to Trump.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
Well, I would agree, and that's why I said it's
both sides. It's we've got to tone down the rhetoric.
The sad thing is we've been saying that since twenty
eleven when Gabby Giffert was shot as a US congresswoman,
and you know, this just continues, continues. It's the rhetoric
that comes from individuals that is not necessary. We can disagree,

(37:15):
and by the way, I've said this time and time again,
one thing I learned when I was in Congress is
no matter what your positions are, I guarantee you in
that room of four hundred and thirty five members, there's
somebody who is absolutely has the opotitive position and disagrees
with you. That doesn't mean you can't walk past them,
you can't say hello, you can't communicate with them. You

(37:37):
can still disagree with them. But it's gone way too far.
But Congress did teach me that I don't care what
your opinions are, what your thoughts are, there's always somebody
in that room that's going to be one hundred percent
disagree with them, and you've got to learn to understand
that you're not going to change their positions. They're not
going to change yours. That doesn't mean you can't, actually,
you know, work together, at least on areas that maybe

(37:59):
you can come together on.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Talking to former Congressman Jim or Acy, you were in
the belly of the beast for a number of years. Okay,
so you know what goes on behind the scenes. I'm
gonna ask you a very pointed question. I want an
honest answer. I have heard from other politicians who I'm
friends with that behind the curtain, a lot of these

(38:22):
Republicans and Democrats are actually friends. But when the curtain opens,
it's like a reality show. They hate the other one,
this and that, so on and so forth. How much
does the American public get played on a daily basis
fed this, we hate them, the left is bad, the
right is bad.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
But behind closed doors, these these guys and gals are
slapping each other on the ass and toasting each other.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
Well, it's amazing you said that, because I just spent
six days in overseas in Europe and that was with
a bibe partisan group of members of Congress who basically
did that. They talked to each other friendly, they were
on panels together. Now, I will admit every once in
a while there were little fiery discussions back and forth,

(39:13):
but in the end they had dinner together, they talked,
and I was part of that. And I saw that
when I was in Congress. The problem that has really
caused the biggest issue. And I also heard this when
I was in Congress. There used to always be no
TVs in Congress, so whatever was said on the House floor,
if somebody wasn't reporting it, you never saw it. The

(39:33):
biggest problem in Washington, DC is when they started televising
everything that happened in Washington, because once they did that,
they gave every political elected official a place to where
they could present themselves, raise money, make comments, and actually
rise their level up by trying to be too far

(39:56):
right or too far left. But it became a fundraising mechanism,
and that's the biggest problem we have today. Yet some
of those people on the far right and the far left,
we'll still, you know, talk on a regular basis when
the TV cameras aren't on.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, it's so we are getting played.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
Well, it's funny. I always remember, and I was on
the ways the Means Committee, and I still remember arguing
about Trump's tax returns and one of my closest Democrat
friends started calling me, I'm not crazy. And I looked
over at him and I go, what are you talking about?
And after the meeting was over, I walked up to
him and said that was unacceptable. I said, you and

(40:40):
I are friends. He goes, yeah, he goes. But I
had to tell people on my side, you're crazy because
what you were saying, and that yet we do get played.
That's probably the best way of putting it. In the end,
there are differences opinion, don't get me wrong. There are
individuals that disagree with policy and principles in those rooms.
But also in the end, nobody's pulling guns out and

(41:04):
nobody's shooting, and that's what we really have to get
away from, especially in this political environment.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Hi, Jim, appreciate the candor.

Speaker 7 (41:11):
Thanks so much, Thank you, welcome back.

Speaker 6 (41:19):
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(41:40):
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(42:03):
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(42:25):
your joy every morning?

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Sure?

Speaker 6 (42:29):
What you say, the enthusiasm is just overwhelming, just absolutely overwhelming.
It brings me to brings me to tears. What was uh?
You read the listener Daveo his his comment on.

Speaker 7 (42:51):
What you buy that that wasn't in the middle of
anything there, but that's okay, yeah, I'll I'll come.

Speaker 6 (42:55):
So I'm sorry we're not live on the radio.

Speaker 7 (42:58):
Sent a photo and it says I bought this at
Goodwill recently just because of the label, he said, But
Hearts in Bridgeport with that big neon twinkling Hearts sign
was my go to for album hunting. The memory was first,
was the first taste of independence as a kid while
mom headed for other parts of the store. And the
album that he bought at the Goodwill is it's Donna

(43:20):
Fargo's Fargo Country.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
Okay, Norton, and.

Speaker 7 (43:25):
It's got to be from the seventies.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
That doesn't ring a bell to me.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
And it says here it's got the actual Hearts price
tag on.

Speaker 6 (43:34):
It, so still it's on there.

Speaker 7 (43:37):
Hear Heart's Family Center suggested list six ninety eight are
price five dollars and forty four cents and it says
Heart's Family Center with the logo on it.

Speaker 6 (43:45):
Wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 7 (43:47):
Fargo Country, Donna Fargo Department five.

Speaker 6 (43:50):
See, and you wonder why people go nuts trying to
scrape off tags on things if that's still on there
from the seventies.

Speaker 7 (43:57):
But hold on he paid it goodwill, he paid it
or seventy one.

Speaker 6 (44:02):
So in the end, Devo's the winner, and all of
this is the winner. So that's kind of what we're
hitting on to this morning. You know, you get your
first buck from all your chores. What was the first
thing you remember buying when you had your own money
burning a hole in your pocket? What did you go
out and spend it on.

Speaker 7 (44:19):
I think I was in the sixth grade, and this
probably wasn't my first one, okay, but I can just
remember being in the sixth grade and for whatever reason,
I was a huge Sticks fan back in the day, okay,
And that's when the Grand Delusion came out, and so
my mom bought it for me on cassette because I

(44:39):
had a little boom box. And that's how I kind of,
you know, did things.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
Was your pink like mine? Mine was pink.

Speaker 7 (44:46):
Mine was black with one speaker until I until I
upgraded to like the double the ghetto blasters, you know.
But she had bought me and I and I loved
the song Come Sail Away. So then I had it
marked where the tape you know, where I had to
rewind it to, you know, So I marked it so
that way I knew where it would start and everything else.

(45:07):
And then I was like, this isn't pain in the butt.
And I turned around and I took money, and so
I had the cassette, and then I went and bought
the album. So I had it for my my stereo
in my bedroom and I would put my headphones on
and jam. So yeah, I had for for Styx the
Grand Delusion, I had the album and the cassette, so,

(45:27):
well you do. And then I looked back and I'm going,
what the hell was I thinking?

Speaker 6 (45:30):
Well, do you remember back?

Speaker 7 (45:32):
And there's some good songs, but.

Speaker 6 (45:33):
Talking about boom boom boxes and tapes and all of that.
I mean, do you remember listening to the radio and
sitting there and they would say, coming up, we're going
to have such and such song and you're waiting, You're waiting,
you're waiting.

Speaker 7 (45:44):
So do you record? Yeahh yeah, I mean you did that,
and you need nice time to do it. Was on
Saturdays when Casey Caseum and the America's Top forty wix
was on, and you like, they'll replay those Casey Caseum's
and I know you don't want to hear this, but
they do it on the seventies channel on Syriah. Okay,
and like you can listen to the whole top forty
in like an hour and a half. It would back

(46:07):
in the day it was four hours, and you'd be
sitting there waiting. You know, it started at ten o'clock
and you're sitting there waiting for the song because you
don't know where it's going to be in the lineup,
and you're going, Okay, I know it's it's got to
be in the top ten. It's got to be in
the top ten, So I have to listen in the
last hour, and then you'd miss it, and then you'd
be mad at yourself. And then so the next week
you'd have to listen to the whole damn thing again,

(46:27):
or you'd.

Speaker 6 (46:28):
Be sitting there going, okay, I know it's coming, I
know it's coming. It's got to be up next, and
then you have to go to the bathroom. Well, and
you'd be sitting there going, oh, there it is, and
boom you missed it.

Speaker 7 (46:38):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean back in the day,
that's how you that's you know you you didn't. And
then of course the DJ or case casim or whoever
would always talk over the intro, and it would just
make you mad.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
I would mess it all up.

Speaker 7 (46:50):
Yeah, so you would get it right where the song start,
the vocals start. It's like, damn it, I missed that intro.

Speaker 6 (46:57):
See kids today don't realize how easy it is. Have
it like, yeah, everything's at their fingertips literally, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (47:03):
Just like that's what which makes it makes you want
to punch them right in the face because they don't
have to they don't have to work for it.

Speaker 6 (47:10):
What's we're not advocating for she.

Speaker 7 (47:15):
I just I mean, look, we had to work for
crap like that.

Speaker 6 (47:18):
Well, we also did not get allowances that averaged about
one hundred and seventy dollars a month, which is where
all of this conversations spawned from.

Speaker 7 (47:26):
But yeah, the other thing is, you know, your parents
didn't make eighty thousand dollars a year in a job
or sixty thousand dollars. They made like fourteen thousand dollars
a year, and a gallon of gas was forty eight cents.

Speaker 6 (47:40):
Yeah, it didn't take half your paycheck to fill up
or the grocery store.

Speaker 7 (47:44):
So allowance is you know, allotting for inflation. You know,
if you if you probably if you got like say,
if you get an allowance that's say ten dollars a week,
that's forty dollars a month. That's probably equivalent to.

Speaker 6 (47:58):
What it is today.

Speaker 7 (47:58):
What it is today, I wonder what the what.

Speaker 6 (48:01):
Is expected of the kids today, because you know, most
people have dishwashers, so you're not washing dishes. Paper routes
are of the past. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (48:11):
So well, you know, like I said, there's a kid
that lives up the street from me. He's trying to
hustle cutting grass and everything else, but without any rain.
My man struggling for money right now because his dad
was telling me, you know, something happened he lost these
crocs or something and they were headed up to the
outlets to get getting lost his cross, and so he's like, well,
you got to buy it with your own money, and

(48:32):
he goes, man, I don't think I have enough, because
you know, he hasn't cut grass. He hasn't cut anybody's grass.
I mean, I've been back for three weeks and he
hasn't cut my grass, and he only cut it once
while I was on vacation.

Speaker 6 (48:44):
Well, the front of my front yard looks like the
Arizona Desert. I mean I'm waiting.

Speaker 7 (48:49):
For Okay, I'm personally I'm okay with that. I don't
have a problem.

Speaker 6 (48:52):
With I'm waiting for the tumble weeds to go rolling across. No,
but my neighbor across the street, God bless him, didn't
her this weekend modus grass wasn't moan a thing. Looked
like a dust ball. That's all you saw were plumes
of dust.

Speaker 7 (49:07):
And guy lives up the street. But we call him
the yard datzy. Yeah, because he's like he's constantly water
in his yard. He's you know, I mean, he's out
there like with scissors, like one blade of grass.

Speaker 6 (49:18):
He's that God. Oh yeah, walk on my lawn guy.

Speaker 7 (49:22):
Yeah, it's always funny because you went your dog to
poop in his yard. Even though you clean it up,
you just want to leave that little bit of residue
on there.

Speaker 6 (49:31):
Well, you've got to be a wonderful neighbor.

Speaker 7 (49:33):
Moment a hole. People will tell you that my neighbors
like me. I think, Hey, the lady next door I
in the wintertime, she's she lives by herself, she's older.
You know, I shovel her driveway for it.

Speaker 6 (49:49):
Oh that's very nice.

Speaker 7 (49:50):
That's very unless it's too deep. Then I wait for
the guy that's got the plow to come over and
do it, and then I hope he does mine.

Speaker 6 (50:00):
Well, your neighbors semi like you, I guess, let's hope
are people like us. Here's how we make them like us.
Let's bribe them with the tickets. Let's bribe them with
your chance to win a pair of tickets to see
the even ready, what do you mean you're not ready?

Speaker 7 (50:17):
I said it to be, but I don't have my
pen ready, I don't have anything.

Speaker 6 (50:20):
Yeah, all right, one eight hundred sixty two, four eleven seventy.
That's the number, one, eight hundred sixty two, four eleven seventy.
As I said, this is your chance to win a
pair of tickets October fourth to the Rock and Roll
Do Walk Show, A Valley favorite right here at the Capitol.

Speaker 7 (50:34):
Isn't Peternon here from Hermeran Turberts?

Speaker 6 (50:37):
I believe so?

Speaker 7 (50:37):
Well, maybe maybe that was Maybe that was somebody's first
album that they bought with their own money.

Speaker 6 (50:42):
Was Peter Noon and the Herman, Yes, Herman's Hermit's featuring
starring Peter Noon along with the Circle. I guess that's
how you would say it, Chris Riggierio, Ziogerio and the Marvelllettes,
okay one.

Speaker 7 (50:57):
Six Peter Nuon's probably the only original member of any
of those.

Speaker 6 (51:03):
Sixty four eleven seventy Let's do what do you want
to do? Caller number sixteen WHOA caller number sixteen one,
eight hundred sixty two four eleven seventy, The bloom Daddy
Experience OTIS and Sam News Radio eleven seventy WWVA.

Speaker 7 (51:24):
Well.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
The arrest papers in Taler Robinson's case show how Utah
state authorities in tend to pursue capital punishment in the
death of Charlie Kirk. It's aggravated murder capital crime, and
utes aught requires certain factors to be met in order
to secure a death sentence. Also, Robinson was arrested on
state charges, but federal charges.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Could come later.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
People can be separately prosecuted for the same alleged actions
of both state and federal court. We're seeing that in
the case of Luigi Mangione, who pleaded not guilty to
murder in the shooting death of healthcare executive Brian Thompson.
So is this an open and shut death penalty case.
Jeremy Rosenthal legalized experty, was a prosecutor before becoming a
defense attorney. He's tried over two hundred jury cases. Jeremy,

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open and shut or not so fast?

Speaker 8 (52:09):
Not so fast?

Speaker 10 (52:10):
I think it's an open shut, guilt innocence case. There's
the evidence is mounting and it's overwhelming.

Speaker 8 (52:18):
I heard of report this morning.

Speaker 10 (52:20):
They've got DNA evidence on the weapon and on the
towel that.

Speaker 8 (52:24):
The weapon was wrapped up in.

Speaker 10 (52:26):
You've got confessions there, so that part all kind of
takes care of itself.

Speaker 8 (52:30):
Death penalty cases are hard. I don't care what anybody
tells you.

Speaker 10 (52:35):
It's hard to prove that somebody is so bad and
so terrible.

Speaker 8 (52:40):
That they need to be executed.

Speaker 10 (52:42):
The Parkland, Florida shooter, he went into a school, murdered
multiple people, and a jury was not convinced there that
he needed to die. So a lot of this is
going to come down.

Speaker 8 (52:56):
To the mitigation.

Speaker 10 (52:58):
But I think it's I think guilt and innocence is
going to be a foregone conclusion here. The death penalty
is always a really tough mountain to climb.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
I don't understand that as I sit here listening to you,
and I'm sure my listeners are in the same boat.
You've got a guy premeditated murder, climbs a roof, shoots
a guy and kills him in front of two thousand people.
How in the hell does that not warrant the death
or I shouldn't say, warrant the death penalty? How in

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the hell is that not an open and shut death
penalty case.

Speaker 10 (53:31):
When you're talking about the death penalty, you're going to
cycle through a lot of potential jurors, and you're you're
going to talk to people the both the government and
the accused are entitled to jurors who are really.

Speaker 8 (53:45):
Open minded, and you go through a whole ton of them.

Speaker 10 (53:48):
In this case, you're going to have a whole lot
of people that if a juror says there's gonna be there,
there's a lot of jurors who come in and say,
I just couldn't execute anybody, and those people get eliminated
because they can't follow the law. The law says you
have to be able to consider the death penalty, so
the government will be able to strike.

Speaker 8 (54:08):
A lot of people.

Speaker 10 (54:10):
On the other side, mister Robinson's the jurors that he's
looking for are people that he doesn't think he thinks
are predisposed to the death penalty, or people who have
not yet formed an opinion about the case, which is very,
very very hard to do. So you're talking about twelve

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people who watch podcasts about cats and dogs and.

Speaker 8 (54:38):
Wear t shirts that say plant. That's who's going to
decide this. That's who's going to decide this.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Tell you, Jeremy Rosenthal, legal expert. So let's take it
for the prosecution angle. You used to be a prosecutor.
What do prosecutors need to prove in this case?

Speaker 8 (54:54):
The standard?

Speaker 10 (54:54):
So, first off, let's go back to guilt innocence, even
though I kind of brushed over that. First off, anytime
you're talking about a capital case, capital murder is is
murder plus an aggravating factor.

Speaker 8 (55:08):
Obviously you've got the murder here.

Speaker 10 (55:10):
The aggravating factor it has to be something that that
is an excess. Right it is, say the age of
the victim, right if it's a child, or if the
victim is a police officer.

Speaker 8 (55:23):
That's another reason why cases go capital.

Speaker 10 (55:25):
If there are multiple victims in a murder, that's capital.
If it's in the furtherance of another felony, that's a
capital the theory that I think makes the most sense
to me is under Utah law, if you are endangering
other people, then you were then you then it becomes
a felony, or then it becomes a capital case. So

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if you kill people, if you kill somebody and then
you endanger other people, then then that's when that sort
of happens. So in this instance, you had a shooting
in front of however many thousand people, you could have
absolutely had more people hurt or injured or killed just
because of.

Speaker 8 (56:02):
How this went.

Speaker 10 (56:03):
So, so I think that's the theory that they're going
to use. So if I'm a prosecutor, I'm kind of
focusing on that angle. The state prosecution bed's probably going
to focus more on there are we going for a
broader movement?

Speaker 8 (56:15):
Here? Is this a is this a terroristic attack? Right?

Speaker 10 (56:20):
Which a lot of comparisons here to Luigi Manji writing right,
And in that instance, you had a manifesto, we hate
insurance companies so bad that the whole all of us
are going to rise up against the insurance companies, and.

Speaker 8 (56:34):
That was kind of what he was going for.

Speaker 10 (56:36):
I don't know that we've seen something quite the same
from Tyler Robinson we may very well. But if I'm
a prosecutor, that's kind of what I'm focusing on.

Speaker 8 (56:45):
But to get to the death penalty.

Speaker 10 (56:47):
You've got to prove that he is a future danger.
And that's why it's so hard is because, Okay, what
you did was heinous.

Speaker 8 (56:55):
Which you did was terrible. All murders that you see are.

Speaker 10 (57:00):
Like that, right, So so what makes him dangerous going forward?
If I'm the government, I'm saying, listen, look at how
calculated this was.

Speaker 8 (57:10):
Right. You don't wake up one morning.

Speaker 10 (57:12):
And and and decide to just hop on a roof
and you know, grab Papa's shotgun over there, and you know,
here we go. No, this thing was meticulously planned out. Uh,
there was some additional training, certainly he had that that.

Speaker 8 (57:27):
Certainly he had practiced with a firearm before.

Speaker 10 (57:30):
That's the type of thing that I'm pointing to if
I am the government to try to get.

Speaker 8 (57:34):
A death penalty.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
All right, Well, I said you were a prosecutor. You
are a defense attorney, So what will his defense team argue?

Speaker 8 (57:41):
On the defense side, You're leaning in heavily, heavily, heavily
to the mitigation.

Speaker 10 (57:47):
You're you're you're you're going over school records, you're going
over dental records.

Speaker 8 (57:51):
You're talking about when he was dropped when he.

Speaker 10 (57:54):
Was four years old, You're you're you're talking about probably
the radical is. If I'm defending him, I probably lean
into the exaggerate, into the radicalization. I probably lean into Look,
this is a confused twenty two year old who had
a hard time making friends and then he goes to
Discord or whatever type of weird Internet he's on, and

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and you know, that's kind of why he was behaving
the way he's behaving.

Speaker 8 (58:25):
But that's not true who he truly is. So if
I'm defending it, I'm trying to navigate around that future
dangerousness issue.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
All right, Well, thanks for the insight as always, Jeremy,
all right, have a great day.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
All right you too. That is Jeremy Rosenthal.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Legal, Likexporty, has tried over two hundred jury cases.

Speaker 6 (58:49):
Hey, forty eight, welcome back to the Bundattie Experience. Otis
and Sam News Radio eleven seventy WWVA. Heads up, We're
gonna have one more chance for you to win this morning.
We've got another pair of do walk tickets, So one
more chance this morning. And if you look at the clock.
It's very it's very soon, very soon, so stay tuned

(59:11):
for that. We got one more chance for you to win.
This morning. I just completely lost my train of thought,
just completely wet blank. Oh okay, So tomorrow, So tomorrow's Wednesday,
of course, which is politics unleashed. Well, I am happy
to announce that we are adding another voice to the conversation.

(59:35):
You've heard him on the show before. Local attorney Tony
Edmund is going to be joining us, joining the panel.
So it will add more to the conversation. And of
course we're going to have plenty of stuff to talk
about tomorrow when it comes to the political landscape after
last week and everything. So we are adding another voice

(59:57):
to the conversation, another point of view. And and it's
oh breaking news. Eighty nine year old Robert Redford has passed.
It just came across my TV screen. Robert Redford. Oh man, Mmm,
what a loss. Eighty nine years.

Speaker 7 (01:00:15):
Old Roy Hobbs in The Natural.

Speaker 6 (01:00:19):
Man That Hits That Hits Sundance of the uh Marble Sundance,
But and Sundance eighty nine years old actor director All
River runs through it. He's got quite a quite an
extensive resume of.

Speaker 7 (01:00:38):
Films and deaths of Twilight, Zon.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
Played death.

Speaker 7 (01:00:44):
Oh okay, disguised as a police officer.

Speaker 6 (01:00:47):
Okay, pulling up. I'm trying to think of all the
things that he's done. Can't I can't think of it. Yeah,
eighty nine years old. Sorry, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
It just the natural, that's yeah, Roy Hobbes, that's what
you're talking about. Ah, that's that's that's all the president's men,

(01:01:08):
ordinary people. Yeah, that's a loss, that's a loss. So
eighty nine year old, eighty nine year years ago. Eighty
oh yeah, yeah. You know, he had a great voice,
a great tone to his voice. I always thought nice,
nice looking too. My mom always always used to talk

(01:01:30):
about Robert Redford and she'd go, oh, Robert Redford hobby
that was her that was that was her go to
when it comes to him. So yeah, unfortunate, unfortunate. That
kind of kind of threw me off there, threw me
off there, oh, real quick. In Bridgeport officials uh in

(01:01:51):
Bridgeport and Brookside have announced a boil order for all residents,
effective immediately, So if you are reside in those neighborhoods,
the boyle or is issued because of a water line
break that happened on Hall Street. The boil order is
in effect for four to eight hours and was issued
last night around nine pm. So if you do live

(01:02:13):
in the Hall Street area, officials of Bridgeport and Brookside
have announced a boil order for all residents, effective immediately.

Speaker 7 (01:02:22):
And it's been a couple days since we mentioned it.
But don't forget that the June floods in Ohia County.
There are many who have not yet applied for FEMA,
so the deadline is very near. It is next week.
The twenty second is the last day for applications to
be submitted to FEMA, and that is next Monday. So
applications can be submitted online, by phone, or in person

(01:02:44):
at the Disaster Recovery Center at the Tridelphia Community Center. Nice.
So if you haven't filed for FEMA, to have it
tyke advantage of it. Six you have until Monday.

Speaker 6 (01:02:54):
Yeah, six days from now. Six days from now. We
all know. Right now is pumpkin spice flavor season. It's everywhere, folks,
It's absolutely everywhere. I love to smell it. I'm not
a big fan of tasting it. Well, now, there may
be a rifle who has taken over the top spot

(01:03:15):
as being the flavor of the season, and Otis is
on trend ladies and gentlemen. He's a trend setter.

Speaker 7 (01:03:23):
Just happened to inta.

Speaker 6 (01:03:27):
Pecan. The Food Institute notes that pecan products are spreading
nationwide and overtaking the pumpkin spice leader. And you happen
to have the pipe, the pecan flavored.

Speaker 7 (01:03:42):
I have Texas pecan cos.

Speaker 6 (01:03:44):
There you go on trend, ladies and gentlemen. This year
pecan proved too. It's more than just pie, according to
the analysis, citing items like cheesecake, pastries, and lattes. Pipe
pumpkin spice, however, remain means strong because of the pumpkin
spice lattes which are leading in the trend. And let's

(01:04:07):
see Axios reports. US regions also differ on how they
pronounce pecan, with variations tied to local history and geography.
So it's pecon, pecan, pecan, pecan, How do you say it?
Pecon pecon That's how I say it, although pecan just
sounds funnier.

Speaker 7 (01:04:29):
I like a little pecampire.

Speaker 6 (01:04:33):
Pecan pecan. Staying along the uh conversation about I was
gonna say nuts I'm not gonna say that. Yeah, so
just shaking his head at me. Emin M's has introduced
a new flavor. I have not seen this in the
stores yet. I will try it though. It's the honey

(01:04:55):
roasted Peanut M and M's. It's going to be a
permanent addition to the of course Eminem collection of flavors
that are out there. It combines the traditional Eminem peanut,
but this time it's the honey roasted flavor. Will create,
of course, a sweet and salty combination. Each candy contains
a peanut surrounded by milk, chocolate and the signature candy shell.

(01:05:18):
So new honey roasted peanuts have hit the shells.

Speaker 7 (01:05:24):
Some controversy in the MLB Major League Baseball OH former
Baltimore Orioles player his name's Brian roberts Well. He issued
a public apology on Sunday after he questioned the Canadian
fans baseball's understanding during a Friday's live broadcast. Ooh he said.
Roberts said, I gotta be real, real care for what

(01:05:45):
I say, but sometimes we had some major questions about
the baseball, like you of some Canadians here and there.
I think you know at times it felt like maybe
they enjoyed or they knew a little bit more about
hockey than baseball. I don't see anything. Why would you
have to apologize for that?

Speaker 6 (01:06:02):
You have to apologize for everything nowadays.

Speaker 7 (01:06:05):
His remarks followed the Toronto fans booing and Orioles pickoff attempt.
His play by play partner he was, Kevin Brown immediately
warned him to stop. Roberts apologized before Sunday's game, stating,
I definitely never ever meant to cause anyone to feel
like I was disrespecting them at all. Blue Jays infielder
Ernie Klements defended the Toronto fans, noting, we get forty

(01:06:25):
thousand people one night here the Blue Jays swept Baltimore
in the three game series. You know, I get the fact.
It's an opinion. Maybe he's just having some fun, you know, Okay,
he said, Okay, he just wants to question it. All
hes said was maybe they know a little bit more
about hockey than baseball. Okay, I mean, I mean just
because they're basically maybe you put in their baseball iq.

(01:06:47):
I mean that's not.

Speaker 6 (01:06:48):
An offensive statement. I mean hockey is I mean, Canada
is known for hockey.

Speaker 7 (01:06:52):
Yeah, exactly. I mean, if that was me, I wouldn't
have apologized.

Speaker 6 (01:06:57):
People.

Speaker 7 (01:06:57):
I never told you to kiss my rear end because
it was just to comment. It's just a statement. So
so Canadians. Maybe, I guarantee you they know more about
hockey than I do or baseball.

Speaker 6 (01:07:06):
There are people out there that are just looking for
a fight. There are people out there that are just
looking for an argument. And let's be honest, folks, we
have become too soft, we have become too easily offended.
We can't laugh at ourselves anymore. We can't laugh at

(01:07:26):
like a comment like this. I'm sure there was no
ill will intended by that camp that statement.

Speaker 7 (01:07:34):
No, and it's you know, I mean, and it's a
general statement. I mean, there are probably Canadians that know
more about baseball than hockey. Yes, I mean, maybe he
was just having some fun.

Speaker 6 (01:07:45):
Again, Lightning.

Speaker 7 (01:07:46):
Maybe he was trying to just spark some conversation, you know,
I mean even his broadcast partner. I mean, like, what
are you so nervous about Quip being so wishy washy?

Speaker 6 (01:07:56):
Lighten up, light up, don't read so much into things.

Speaker 7 (01:08:03):
Don't be a yeah pussy cat.

Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
Yes, yes, yes, that's how I'm gonna leave that, all right.
One eight hundred sixty two four eleven seventy. We're gonna
leave this show this morning. We're gonna go out with
a winner. One eight hundred sixty four eleven seventy. Not us, Well, yeah,
not us. Let's see here. Let's do caller number you
did sixteen, right, Let's do caller number twelve. One eight

(01:08:30):
hundred sixty two four eleven seventy, caller number twelve. Let's
end this on a high note for your chance to
win a pair of tickets to see the Rock and
Roll Do Wop Volume twenty seven here in October on
the fourth. Have a great Tuesday, everybody. We'll talk to
you tomorrow.