Do You 'Memba? I 'Memba.... The Glory of the 90's Toons Pt1

Bort is joined by fellow geek and friend, Diego Nunez (Writer for Geek History Lesson Podcast),
As they remember The Glory that is the Cartoons of the 1990s/Early 2000's... and what they meant to us all.
Part 1.... Super Hero and Video Game influenced cartoons, Toon's that got EXTREME, Cult and Obscure Favorites & The Top 5 of the Era.

Follow Diego @blackcrow521 & Geek History Lesson Podcast @geekhistorylesson

TheBortCast.com for everything else.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Howdy partner West Well, Hello, hello, my friends.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
We're back after a slight sabbatical.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Like I said, this podcast will come out when it
comes out, and I have a need and a feeling
to do it, and my god, today do I have
a need and a feeling to do it? Before we
get to that, my name is Bort. You may know
that I am a audio technician. I'm appreciator of the
comic book genre. I am a mega fan of energy

(00:54):
drinks because it's the only thing that keeps me going.
And most importantly, I am a poke model messr.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
And today I'm not alone.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
I am joined by a man who is not just
a juggalo whoop whoop, whoop whoop, not just a former
Bronie clop clop, not just an amore for Harley Quinn herself,
a Buffy admirer, a fellow Copook fan, a newly crowned
wrestling enthusiast, but he is also the writer for the

(01:28):
geek history Lesson podcast. Everybody welcome my buddy diego.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
What's up board? I appreciate that intro. Man, that was
quite something.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
I did not even practice that. I wrote a lot
of notes. I got to see what whatsoever. I was
even thinking, amore, is that even.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
A word doesn't matter. We got a roll with it.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yes, but I enjoyed your jumpins with Sara, Si Sierro,
Miedoy set. I can't write now. I have a possible
head injury from last week, which is making words a
little difficult. But also hold on, see Satro Mie, Nope,
can't do it, can't do I'll have you do it
for me, Seattle Muato. As I've explained on the podcast before,

(02:11):
much like Kevin Smith, I think my friends are possibly
the most entertaining and hilarious people I've ever met. That's
why I like to have them on the podcast. That's
why I like to get people to know them, because
if they're hilarious to me, they'll be hilarious to everybody else.
And there are people that I think everybody should meet.
Much like Eddie on the last episode, which Diego has
met Eddie multiple times, I have, much like Shasta has

(02:36):
been on the podcast multiple times. It has Bill from Hyena,
who Diego also knows. Yes, nothing makes me happier than
other people getting to know my friends and appreciating the
stories and aspects that they bring. And I had a
thought the other week of going you know what, everybody
loves to talk about eighties nostalgia, but we're in the
nostalgia of the nineties right now, We're in the nostalgia
of the two thousands. Kids are wearing my outfits from

(03:00):
the two thousands. My goth pants are back in fashion
right now, My goth shirts are back in fashion. The
music I cared about is now classic. And because of that,
and because of all these comic book movies against sparking
people's interests, the thing that's most important to me and
for a lot of people is the cartoons we grew

(03:21):
up with. And nothing was better than the cartoons of
the nineties and early two thousands. Amen, cartoons of the eighties,
no disrespect. I'm a huge fan obviously, love the Transformers,
love g I Joe, loved Ninja Turtles, And shout out
to Ronald Reagan, because if it wasn't for Ronald Reagan Reaganomic,
he would have never taken away the fact that you
could advertise the children more. That's true, and all those

(03:43):
cartoons would have never been made because they're all twenty
four minute commercials for toys.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Did he create dare possibly? I mean the probably product
dare even matter though anymore? I mean, you gotta take
a bite at a crime. Oh wait, that's a rhyme.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
They do the same things, senseless message. But the cartoons
of the nineties, whereas the eighties you had a toy
line for every cartoon, there was toy lines for cartoons
that never even made it to America. But the nineties
we had cartoons just to be cartoons and maybe they
would get a McDonald's toy eventually, or maybe they would
end up on taco bell packaging because they didn't have toys.

(04:19):
But the cartoons of the nineties were something special. And
there was one person that I thought of, though couldn't
do any better than talking about the nostalgia and my
friend diego here, he.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Says, friend.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
But the reality is we've had conversations in the past
and listeners, you should know we tend to trigger each
other a lot.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
That's what friends do. That's what friends do.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Damn, what do you say we're not friends?

Speaker 3 (04:39):
I mean we are friends in every sense of the word.
We're like siblings. Like it's just like we you know,
we're very loving, we're very kind to each other. But
then like when we get into conversations. It's a boy.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Howdy. You know what's funny is that you have actually
been referenced on the Woody Show indirectly.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Am I the juggler that multiple times?

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (04:57):
See, that's the thing, Like everyone talks about the jugglo
thing like it's a weird specimen, like I'm the animal
and the national geography or something like that, Like it's.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Just look at the Bucky rud throw this crap around.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, just like a go around and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
But like that, like, You're not the first person to
tell me that.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
I've had multiple people told me going like, yeah, you're
that like juggle of friend that I know that everybody
asked about, going.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Like what do they do? Like are they I thought
you were gonna say, are you bords juggle of friends
that get mentioned on the Woody Show?

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Oh, that hasn't happened yet. I don't think people have
drawn that connection that we're friends yet.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Oh. So, there is a couple of Woody Show events
coming up and we have discussed possibly you and one
of your best friend's Corey, yes, my fellow friend as well,
uh fellow Juggalo possibly coming out to the event. And
it was the hype.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Real, how are we building up hip?

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Now? This is the problem. It would be something kind
of special because when jugglers get mentioned, menace will be
the first one to go. Remember Board had jugglos at
his way and they had Hatchetman necklaces hanging from their necks.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Did I didn't even remember that?

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Oh yeah, it must have been before I switched necklaces.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yes, it was a big Hatchetman pendant and it was
kind of great though. I still have it.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I love that pendant. That was a good one. It
is a good, solid one that was not a hot
topic one.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Really.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, So well, here's the story with that. It's actually
a key chain. It's a solid metal keychain that I
just jerry rigged into a necklace.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Wow, you crafty beast.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
I am.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, I'm pretty good.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
So here we are here to talk nineties nosalage, Yes,
through cartoons of the nineties and early two thousands. I
just remember that nothing made me happier as a kid
than waking up on weekday mornings, Saturday mornings and seeing
cartoons everywhere. I was late to school so many times
for grade school because there was cartoons on upn thirteen,

(06:45):
and then coming home from school, we'd have to rush
home because Fox had cartoons. Yeah, Nickelodeon had cartoons. And
then you start getting all these different channels and all
these different services that were twenty four hours and all
sorts of such. But to have the option, much like
wrestling in the nineties, where you could go, I'm watching
WWF and I'm a switch to WCW because are not
at the same time, cartoons were Okay, I got to

(07:06):
make a schedule. I gotta watch this channel here and
then jump to this channel and then that channel, and
did this channel just to get to all the cartoons.
And that was my life. For you, I have to
ask what were how important were cartoons to you? And
then what channels did you watch? Growing up?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Very very important. So I grew up with a single
mom and two older sisters.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
My two older sisters were getting out of school and
go joining the workforce. My mom worked like a job
where she'd get up at four in the morning, you know,
and wouldn't come home until six seven pm. So like
me and my brother, all we had was cartoons like
that was our big thing. And I had a lot
of like appointment television, like when I'd get home, it
was Fox Fox Kids five PM, it was two Nami

(07:51):
and then depending on the day, like Wednesday nights at
ten pm, I would watch Comedy Central and I'll allude
to that later, and then Thursday I also had ten
pm shows to watch on MTV. But yeah, it was
a lot of It was like a lot of appointment televisions.
But it would like alternate between Fox Kids for sure,
to Nami Cartoon Network, and then sometimes Kids WB so.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
And this is where I'm a bad friend.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
What you were You born in ninety ninety Okay, so
I was born eighty seven, so you're the same age
as anyone's listened before. Eddie is the same age as Diego,
which so we're very close in age, right, But even
still there's just that little gap of Oh, man, I
wonder if you got to experience this, I wonder if
you got to see the first year of Fox Kids,
what that was like where it was no action cartoons.

(08:35):
It was reruns of you know, uh, Killer Tomatoes and
Bobby's World and Eke the Cat.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
I remember Bobby's World. I remember I actually revisited Bobby's
World a couple of years ago, which.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Is pretty funny. Eke the cat, It's like it's weird.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
A lot of those things are just like ingrained in
my brain because, like I said, like I consume television
a lot.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Right during there's file folders, and that was the same
way because all I did was watch TV toys, TV cartoons.
So how we're gonna do it is, I have a
series of questions for Diego. These are gonna be our choices.
We're gonna go through them, We're gonna get into nostalgia.
We're probably gonna rip on each other.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
A little bit. Yeah, I already know it's bound to happen.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
We're gonna start with the top, the top, top echelon,
and then we're gonna work our way through some nuances
and uh more, finite details of what we were a
fan of. So for you, mister Whoop Whoop, your top
five overall best nineties and early two thousands cartoons and
eighties cartoons if they started in the eighties, they're an
old and void And I did this for a reason.

(09:32):
So what was your top five overall picks? All right?

Speaker 2 (09:35):
So this might be a little contentious obviously because it's.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
You, so five You're saying this like I'm such a
hater of a friend here.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Well, I'm just I'm just ready for the knife fighter, right,
we both have our knives ready, always at the ready,
my hatchet ratching more specifically. But you know, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop.
Never forget I'm a juggalo. Everybody, first time meeting me. Hello,
it's like when you meet me, Hi, I'm a juggler,
what's up? Or you just say well, whoop whoop whoop. Yeah,
you'll get the idea. So number five Batman beyond number

(10:04):
four Freakazoid.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Number three south Park, Mmmm, because that did start in
ninety six, even though it is ongoing, and I would
argue the prime years are in the late nineties.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
I like that you went with it.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
I was. I was considering South Park, and I considered
Beavis and butt heead right, because I love and adore
them so much. But in my mind, I almost put
them in a different category outside of this, and I
removed them from the equation interesting. See well, and we'll
get into this more later. But I do have a
list that's specifically about adult cartoons because I do feel

(10:42):
like that is also part of nineties cartoons that was
a big thing for me growing up as well, because
I sort of grew up way too fast in many instances.
But because I did watch South Park on premiere day.
I'm not kidding. I was six years old watching the
boobs animated boobs Bubes.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
It was more of blank like it was very watching
those kids and them saying things that they didn't understand
what they were saying.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
And I didn't understand the jokes either. You were butters,
You're like, hey, what's going on down there? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (11:09):
I was experiencing it as well, like you know, like
it was so funny because like just a quick side note,
like when the movie it Tanya came out about Tanya Harding,
my mom was like very confused that I knew what
Tanya Harding, who that was, and what that whole story was.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I was like, oh, it was referenced in south Park
all the time.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
They had that soundpoint of why why playing all the time, but.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yay, why Yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:30):
And what I think of nineties cartoons, I couldn't have
it without halving south Park because like even though like
if it's dated whatever, but like Matt and Trey were
so raw back in those days, like they had an
episode like where they just hated Barber Streisan and talked
about how Robert Smith was the greatest person to ever lived. Yeah,
and it's just that is just that those early years,
it's just it's a unique south Park before they started

(11:52):
to actually become who they were, what they were known.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
For, you know what I mean. Yeah, it felt like
and this is where I put them into a different category.
And I almost put them in a sitcom category, which
I think married with children, right, I think Beaves some
butt heead and I think south Park. That was just
how my brain related my humor to is like those
and you could even act Kevin Smith into that, because
that's all my humor. South Park. It kind of reminds
me of Mary with children. Those early years were so

(12:17):
raw and so like figuring out what they're doing. And
then you get into the later seasons and it doesn't
matter what they do and people will be like, oh,
the show lost the script. They went to goofy and
I'm like, no, but it got really good. Yeah, it
found its formula and it felt its flow in chemistry
with people. Right, and then you look at South Park,
You're like, that's exactly what they did there. They found
their flow in their chemistry. Yes, and it just another level.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
So number two contentious because I know we've argued about
this before. Gargoyles, I am brilliantly written show serialized, one
of the first cartoons to serialize. Gotta give them props
for that. Or is there a serialized storytelling? M h
it's Shakespeare, you know. That made it a little bit
more elevated, a little bit more intellectual.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Brett did bort whatever. Yeah, I think it's smart.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
I think it has continuity, like it's comic books that
you know, has a little bit of connuity going on there. Originality,
it was kind of fresh, it was fun.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
What year was it. It was ninety five, ninety five? Okay,
all right, so yeah, that you had Batman, the animate series,
you have X Men, you have you have cartoons that
are following an overall arching story, right, But okay.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
And then number one, Now this might be a trapping
I don't know. But also again it depends because of
a category that we're going to talk about later.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
But number one is Dragon ball z Okay. I totally understand.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Okay, because I didn't know if anime would be off
the table because technically it came out in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
But for us. We didn't get until the nineties.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
I thought about that.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
So the the traps that I placed in the one
that was the outstanding trap was teenage being Ninja Turtles.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Okay because it was eighty seven, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, So immediately I was like, no, we can't say
because we'll let's both say Ninja Turtles for everything. We
have to take it out of the equation. You could say,
a sequel to Ninja Turtles or what the other spinoff
series like the two thousand and three Ninja Turtles more
anime style was on the table. But anime if it
came over here and we got to enjoy it. In
the nineties, it was on the table. So DBZ Sailor,

(14:15):
Moon Running, Warriors, Gun and Wing Gun Wing, Yeah, like
they all fit the ca. DBZ is so huge to
so many people in the nineties. Yeah, that it was
a culture amongst itself that was.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Important television for me, Like I had to make sure
I was home after school at five o'clock every day,
and like it was my soap opera, Like that's just
what I was watching every day. And I yeah, and
it's like and for some reason for me, of all years,
it's been the year of Dragon ball Z because it's
like on my own podcast.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Sorry to plug, but honestly, that's also what you're here for.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Is because I thought about it and I'm like, well,
you know, Diegos does write for the Geek History Lesson
podcast and he does get to jump in, and I
know you did an episode where you got to jump
in about DBZ.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, and that was a unique experience because they they
were very courteous and very kind to let me host
my own episode, which I was very mortified by but
also very excited by. But yeah, and both the hosts
Jason Ashley not familiar with Dragon ball Z at all,
not understanding what a cultural phenomenon was, and that was
like my job to just kind of lay it out,

(15:17):
to just express my enthusiasm for that show. But yeah,
and yeah, and I went through the entire series this
year just because I just had that like ache to
do that, just because of the episod, you know, because
of the Geek History Lesson episodes and such like that,
and it just had this impactful resonance.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Actually, you would appreciate this wort.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
So something that our mutual friend Corey always talks about
where he talks about Star Wars and he talks about
his love for the originals and the prequels, and for him,
the big thing about it is as long as it
has great imagery and great music, it's a success. And
I'm like, that is so such a beautiful way to
look at art in many ways. Yeah, And I always
try to figure out what is the equivalent for that,

(15:54):
and for me that is Dragon ball Z, like specifically
the American dub when I just watched, or the Funnimation dub.
I should elaborate like that score from Bruce Fucorner and company.
And then just the imagery that's like, there's just a
lot of that that's just a cornerstone.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
That's just like makes me like if you feel the
soul behind the show, Yes, and there's something that touches
you in a way that you're like, it's the humor,
it's the voice over, it's the music, the score, the
theme song. Theme songs are so important. And I remember
waking up on Saturday mornings k CAL nine had DBZ

(16:29):
yes and before it moved over Yeah, and they had
that super heavy guitar riffed intro that they then replaced later. God,
it's such a special theme song. It's true.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
It got me into the show.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
And that was a unique thing too, because I've had
conversations about that with geek history lesson fans of which
one we prefer, because what you're referencing is more specifically
the Ocean dub the Canadians that had it, and they
they did their version of that, and that was like
they were the voice cast that came out for America,
and then like a couple of years later finally like
Funimation picked it up and then that's when we got

(17:00):
like the solid American version of it with like their own.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Set of music and voice cast and stuff. Right, Yeah,
it's funny you should say that too, because one of
my favorite anime series of all times is Gundam Seed
and Seed Destiny, which just actually released a sequel movie,
Gundam Seed Freedom, which is coming to Netflix in September,
and the series, both of them, which are like a
season one and season two, are on Netflix starting this

(17:24):
month in August. Ocean did the original dub of it,
which I got on DVD. I never saw it on
Cartoon Network. I know it was on Cartoon Network later
in like the two thousands. I never watched it that
way I just remember seeing I love Gundam Wing. I
want another Gundam series. This one is on DVD at
Best Buy. Let me pick it up and try it.
Fell in love with it to the point where Gundam
Wing became the number two Gundam series for me. Oh wow,

(17:46):
this one so good. The voiceover is so amazing. All
the intros and outros are all jpop artists, and this
themes were all catchy. Everything looked so good. And then
they re dubbed it for the map HD remasters and
it took the life out of it and it hurt.
But so that's where I understand the soul of it.
But then to go back to what we were talking

(18:07):
about with DBZ being such a cultural impact, especially for
people of Latino heritage, Yeah, DBZ is. Yeah, it's huge
in Mexico, it's huge.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
I would watch it in Spanish on days when I
was sick at school, like I would put it on
telemundough and just like.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I remember it was dubbed on Telemundo because I would
be flicking right through and I'd be on my my
Atenna TV and then there's DBC. I'm like, oh, I
guess I'll keep it on. I don't know what they're
saying right, but I'm watching it. I can understand images
and storytelling. But as people will say, like the eighties
they had the first glimpses of anime coming over with Voltron,

(18:43):
Robottech Captain Harlock was was being syndicated and re dubbed
over here at that point. It was around the seventies,
but eighties it was coming, you know, even more so
the nineties with anime. Yeah, and I know it just
it really resonated because you look at people that are
in major hip hop artist right now, major wrestlers right now.

(19:03):
Freaking the New Day came out dressed as Super Saiyans
for WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
You're so good.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
So that was your list, Batman, Beyond freak Zoid, South Park, Gargoyles,
and Dragon z my five. Uh, this will probably not
be contentious and will probably be Wow, good job picking
the top ones here, job the best ones in the world,
because sport can never be wrong. Batman wrong, Batman the

(19:35):
animated series whatever, that's my top one son Batman, just Batman, Batman, Batman, Batmanman,
Justice League, Justice League New Adventures A Batman. I mean
I considered it all the same, umbrella.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
It's all the same.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
It's all the same. Even. Yeah, some episodes of Superman
are even really enjoyable, not the entire series, but I
certainly I do love Superman animates. Oh we're gonna talk
about that one later. Batman the animate series gets a
top spot because I remember debuting at night, it debuted
in prime time.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
See, I don't even have memories, like I know I
watched it. I just I don't have distinct memories of
like when to watch it on TV because I think
it was one of those things where like my mom
would just buy me VHS tapes. I mean, I know
that's something you and me bond with, which is Batman,
And it was like, I just we were both born
to love Batman, and it was just like I just
I don't even have memories of when I was introduced
to Batman. I just know I saw Batman eighty nine

(20:30):
at a young age when I didn't understand it, loved it,
loved him, and just yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
I remember moments of watching certain things and then just
spark it. Like I remember watching sixty six Batman with
my dad and it would be on reruns because he
loved Batman from the sixty six versions, so we watched that.
I remember us getting a copy of the eighty nine
Batman and then me finding and going, oh, what's this.
And then you know, a year I was sick too

(20:55):
sick to go out for Halloween. That sucks because of
asthma and all these things. I had brought me home
of HS copy of Batman returns. That's great, and it
just come out and I just kept watching it over
and over. And then Batman the Animate series.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
I remember them promo and get on Fox watch it
at seven o'clock this and then the first episode was
I think the Catwoman episode for the one you watched,
I feel like the first one I watched was Man
bat Okay, I find a great up. I feel like
it was. But the one that stuck with me was
the Mister Freeze episode. Yeah, because they did five episodes

(21:30):
in a row that week, and the Mister Freeze stuck
with me, and and just how deep and dark that
they went and bringing in comic book lore and having
that be split up over two episodes, much like the
sixties Batman was like, Hey, here's two episodes of clay Face.
You're like, this is dark and it's so real.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
One always scared me too, because like I hated the
ending when I was a kid, and I mean that
the best way possible.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
But you remember the ending of that episode with the woman,
and I'm just like it was demonic. It's demonic because
this hurt, this like beautiful woman. It's just like, oh
look at me, I'm all chill. And then she's just
laughing like Ron Pearlman and then does her eyes go
yell and I'm like, please stop you like I can't
handle this, Like I'm gonna go watch Gargoyles. Yeah, by Disney,
give it to me. Stop No. Yeah, that was a lot.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Number two Beast Wars.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Do we j what do we say?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Four and three? I'm sorry backwards backwards? Yeah, I started backwards.
I wrote it in a reverse sort.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Goat you. So number one was Batman. Number two Beast Wars.
That was my Transformers, Like I love the Transformers in
the eighties. I watched all the reruns. I've been a
lifelong Transformer fan. Diego's looking at the toys on my desk.
I am such a fan. But Beast Wars as opposed
to my brother handing me down Transformer figures and showing
me episodes and having them recorded on VHS tapes. This

(22:46):
is like, this is my Transformers. Yeah, and I remember
the toys coming out on shelves. I remember being excited.
I remember watching the first episode and being late to
school every single day because it was on UPN in
the mornings. I'm like, mom, I can't leave yet. I
need to see what f happens. His name is Oftims,
primat or something right, Primal. Oh, excuse me, prim mole.
Oh he's not prime ap Oh No, that's a Pokemon.
Prime is a Pokemon, which which brings us to our

(23:08):
number three. Damn Pokemon. Thank you. It's like you read
you up, you do have it? I said, you see,
this is why I'm here, Pokemon number three. I also
remember that debuting on UPN thirteen. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I would watch that in the mornings on UPN.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Remember that it was right before Beast Wars, and then
Beast Wars would be that would be a block. Yeah.
And but Pokemon is so special and uh we were
talking about anime with TBZ. That was my big jump
into anime. Was wow, like I love everything everything and
I was a fan of.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
What didn't matter that atock.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
No no, because like you knew that he was going
to become the best one day.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Like even though he's a failure, you just know one
day he'll just keep failing.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
He'll fail upwards. Okay, okay, well, okay, we're in the
media business, mister producer. I know you're I'm a writer.
The title correct that producer pony Tail told me otherwise. Recently,
the producer guy is, see we're swinging Diego's wearing these
very stylish red pants right now. I'm impressed by them.

(24:13):
But at the same time, I was like, those are
some producer pants right now. Well hold on, that's somebody
said to me off Mike.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
He said it look goth, and I was very flattered,
and I was like, cool, I'm living up to my
like Peter Steele status.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
I'm glad that you're living your high school years now.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, because all I wore was black and juggle of
pants back in high school. So now I'm like, I
lost weight and I have style.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Now. Yeah, now you're into skinny boy goth pants. Yes, yes,
now you can be a go. I'm reclaiming your glitter
boy much like Davey Havoc. Yes, now you're there. We go,
that's murder, Let's go. H So yeah, Pokemon number three,
number four. This is the only part that really gets
me into the two thousands. For the most part, Teen Titans,
Oh okay, because my favorite character in the Batman franchise

(24:58):
is Dick Grayson Robin. I love the Teen Titans comics.
The com books that I would buy from the newsstand
as a kid were Robin with Tim Drake, which was
the style of Dick Grayson. The Teen Titans Resta one
and Dick Grayson Nightwing were the comics that I bought
so to see them in cartoon form and telling the
stories that were from the comics in a new way,

(25:18):
in the style of it, the anime style of it.
Beautiful series and I absolutely love it. I'm gonna find
out soon enough. And you've never watched it. I've never
watched it. I guess I'll tease that.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
So for the podcast that I'm working on, for the
most part, I am a writer, and I'm not saying
that to be pretentious, like I legitimately just I write
behind the scenes, like I'm not somebody that's usually on
the mic.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Sometimes I appear on If you would like to read
my screenplays, I will happily send them to you, whether
you ask for the bird.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
I didn't know you wrote screenplays port anyway, but uh, anyway,
So there, We're going to be launching a show with
the co host Ashley V.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Robinston and myself.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
We're going to be doing a show that will be
exclusive to the Patreon, which is patreon dot com forward
slash jawwin. We're gonna be launching a show called Talking Titans.
And the dynamic is she's a big Teen Titans fan
like yourself. She loves the show and I've never seen it.
It's just and it was like nothing against it. My
brother loved it. I just it was just one of
those shows that just weirdly eluded me. I just never
had the opportunity. So that will be our dynamic of

(26:17):
me being like, you know, the bloodthirsty cynic that loves snacks,
niner movies and all those hardcore cartoons.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
And she's, you know, and then here's the goofy Teen Titans,
which was serious compared to Teen Titans. I believe that.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
I'm looking forward to it, but you know, we'll see
how it goes. I'm gonna I'm gonna like have a
special bort rating just because it will be knocked down
a watch because he likes the show.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
So I'm sorry, Ashley, but well we'll see how I god,
I you know, the only way they could have made
the show better is if they had included specific characters more,
if it was more like Titans no, which if they
had square words and like broken Bones. No, No, that
show's very all right. Uh. I like it. I haven't

(27:02):
finished it.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
I didn't either.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
I like it a lot, but it's like it's aeroverse
teen Titans.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
With like us Flara Zack Snyer, which is all around
weird mixture.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
But the fact that they even make them supernatural to
a degree is is they try to borderline that, and
that's the part of that. I'm like, you might as
well go all in with these guys.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
I kind of just turned off, Like I mean, I
watched three seasons worse, but like I stopped thinking about it,
if that makes sense, I just kind of was going,
like it to me. That shows the very definition of
it's Okay, it's Saturday afternoon sci fi. Yeah, yes, yeah,
you can have such an appreciation and a love for it. Yeah,
there's a lot to like but there's a part where
the show will jump the shark yeah, several times.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
But you can still love it completely because of that.
It's cool to see him in the night wing suit.
Like there's a lot of cool things to see up front,
like the Robin suit itself is yeah, Jason Todd, Yes,
oh yeah, yeah with Jason Todd, you're like, that's Jason Todd.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. It was neat to see
a lot of that. But then you can go, Okay,
so what's with the love triangles here?

Speaker 1 (28:00):
And what's with that? There is parts of it with
the brotherly sisterly affection of Dick Rayson and Raven I
did like that, Yeah, that you may see in the cartoon, Okay,
and there's some of that that you go, Okay, that's that's.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
A team Titans took it from Titans, then.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Reverse that because ones older than the other time works, Okay,
is it okay?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
I don't know if I thought we were just in
hyper time.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, much like how you know, Gargles took all their
dark coolness from Batman and that's the only reason that
they have it.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Oh, here we go, you're just oh Batman was cool.
Let's let's create the show called Gargles because they also
look like that.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
It's fair when you come out swinging with Batman, everything
else just looks like a cheap comparison Batman.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Well, yeah, I know that's my point. You want to
go freakazoid?

Speaker 3 (28:43):
I well freakingz OI was like, okay, well, well we're
gonna talk about mad Man.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
But freaking freaking is always so fun though, so number
five here. Yes, it was gonna be Beavis and butthead. Okay,
but then I decided to take it out and make
it its own, like kind of category. Uh.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
I put X Men in, Okay.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
I love x Men the animated series because it opened
up the Marvel universe to me. Okay, if it wasn't
your introduction, I would not care about Marvel. That's cool.
And because of all the cameos it had, I wouldn't
know about Punisher, I wouldn't know about them Frost, I
wouldn't know who the f is a front. Oh you
want to go, okay, here we go.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
That weird blackfire Club episode.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Or fire Club Yeah yeah yeah yeah, oh that thing
where they made the phoenix and yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah yeah a little skimpy outry Black Fire. I was.
I was still in teen Titan's work. Yes, get your
get your company straight, sir, Starfire. Anyways, Uh, X Men, Yeah,
even Deadpool Man. I remember seeing, oh yeah in one

(29:47):
episode like a tea or something. Right, it was more
it was more yeah, sighting against Wolverine and kept shifting characters,
and at one point you see Deadpool and I'm like,
who is that? And then I started getting trading cards
for Marvel and dead plomicc.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Well that's the guy.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
That's the guy with like poorly drawn feet. Yes, exactly,
by the world's worst artists making all these cool characters
to see.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
I curse God, damn it, I broke them, guys.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
I did it? Field Why I had to say the
one thing I had to mention feet? Oh God, the
guys sucks as an artist creates good characters. He seems
like a cool dude too. Yeah. Anyways, So that's why
fin On Batman, Pokemon be Sores Team tied into X Men.
Something about nineties cartoons. Sure, there were so many cartoons

(30:32):
in the nineties you couldn't keep up with it. If
there was a toy series, they probably had a cartoon,
or there was a cartoon and a toy series or
this lasted for a season, jumped to another network, and
then would just flounder in syndication and then would disappear.
But so many of them stuck out in people's minds
that they became fans for a lifetime, where they've tried

(30:53):
to find these cartoons thereafter and they're like, I can't
find it's not on DVD, it's not on streaming.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Oh it's on you. Somebody uploaded it to me.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
But it was something that spun out of something or
something that was there that made you go, I am
a fan for life because of this cartoon. What are
your five obscure cartoon series of the nineties and two thousand?

Speaker 3 (31:14):
So I took that to mean basically, like cause my
list is more and it could be door for obscure,
but I would definitely say there's definitely a cult following.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
There, you go. Cult following could be a good example
because some of them are mainstream characters that could have
just had here's this season of a cartoon, or here's
a very popular compook franchise by created by a very
popular creator, but it only got one season of a
cartoon that only lasted on this channel for this long.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
So my list is a lot more adult oriented and like,
and I promise you a lot of this is stuff
that I actually did watch when they aired when I
was a kid. It's yeah Flux, Oh my god, I
remembered it that in the MAX. I remember that like
Liquid TV.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Oh god, do you want to copy of the Max?
I think I have a comic here for it. I'll
take it, sure, whatever. I never read the Max, but
I'll take it. Like this guy always gives me stuff.
He gave me the best Sarah Michelle Galler poster and
like I still haven't.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Had I failed. That popped up at my Facebook history
the other day.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Oh yeah, because I thank you for I had a
public thank you on Facebook. Yes, Diego inherited my entire
minus some of the Angel comics, my entire Buffy the
Vampire Slayer compook collection.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, including the.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Sarah Michelle Gell. It was like the cherry on top
was a Sarah Michelle Galler poster and.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
I heard the red late text yress up as the
devil or Vampira. Yes, yes, oh man, oh Sarah. Anyways,
Vampirella not vampire doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Everyone understood.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Anyways, So five yes, Celebrity Death Match so good. That
was one of my appointment television's like ten pm MTV
on Thursday nights, Like I just had to watch that
every week that show is on.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Which is funny though, And we're talking about col following
and obscurity. If you bring up Celebrity Death Match to
people right now, eighty percent of people still won't know
what you're talking about. That's the crazy thing, right, Like,
but then you can't find it. There's twenty percent though
they'll be like, yes, I love that.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
You can't find it anywhere.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
That's the thing that sucks too, Like you can maybe
see the newer seasons, but you can't find like the
original nineties run. And it's so funny because it introduced
me to so many things. It did introduce me to
wrestling because Stone Cold c Boston was at it. Marilyn Manson,
Marylyn Manson, they had their unabatted. Actually that's how I
got introduced to him because I remember when they first
put him on there, he had that fight against Charles

(33:22):
Manson because they were creative, yeah, that they had the
Spice Girls versus Hanson. Eddie kills them and they were like,
why'd you do that MARYL. Mansen's like, because I'm the
most evilest man in America. And then they were played
the tourniquet video and I'm watching this at like ten
at night, and I don't understand, like if anybody's ever
seen the tourniquet video.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Oh man, that's like it twisted.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
It's a very twisted video, and it's it's my favorite
Manson song of all time.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
I love that song. But man like that, you know.
And I was a scary kat as a kid, so
I exposed myself to a lot of horride.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
It toughened me up. And yeah, like that, that is
like one.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Of those no, no, the term is spooky kid. Okay,
spooky kid, Oh yeah, and the Spooky Kids.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Yes, that's right, number four Mission Hills, right, Okay, Yes,
I love that show. I always have a soft spot
for like a Brother two Brother Dynamic living in the
Big City and like has two of the best Simpsons
writers on there for that show, Home Movies, Daria cult Following.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yes, right, it definitely breaches out of the obscure and
thankfully it's on streaming all the time now.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
That's true because it wasn't a thing ten years ago.
And I showed it too, but then when it came
out on DVD that sort of kind of revigorated it. Yeah,
because Corey never saw it and I showed it to him. Hi, Corey,
we keep referencing you, Hilary, but I showed him and
that became like one of his all time favorite TV shows.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
But like, he fits the Daria character so much.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
He loves Jane. Jane.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Jane is his favorite character that he is.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Sorry, Like, the whole time we're experiencing that show, we're
seeing the Tom stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
He's just been like Jay, not the tangent. But this
podcast is famous for tangenting.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
And he invited me. So now it's gonna go three hours. Welcome.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
That's okay.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
As long as I'm having fun with it, I will
release a three hour podcast. It's only the moments where
I'm like, ah, this drops.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Down a little bit. Here, we're gonna delete no one,
We'll over hear.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
What can we actually bring Corey onto this podcast to
talk about? No, No, he wouldn't want to talk about that.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
No Wow.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
I feel like like Women of Wrestling, No Wow, because
there's a lot of war craft. There's literally a hat
right there. This is wow. Next World of warcraft. Oh
good dames.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Maybe goth music, well music music is kind of like
a nice softball thing to bring him on.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
But he does love baby metal, but I don't. Yeah,
that's true, but I don't know if he would actually
do it. But maybe we could bully him. We could,
It would have to be a group effort. We've tried
to bully him back to positivity. One of my favorite
moments of hanging out with you and Corey was outside
Hyena Gallery and just seeing.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
You have a favorite moment.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
This is one of my favorite moments. Yeah, I have
favorite moments of friendships.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
That's very endearing. This is one of it.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
And us hanging outside the shop around the corner from
the shop in the sun, Corey holding a little plant
and acting like this year plant was his new best friend.
And I could just see him spiraling down the downward spiral.
And this was a moment of hearkening to term the
downward spiral and pulling people out of it and trying
to be more positive of Okay, let's make life happier.

(36:12):
It's not that bad, and we have friends and even
if you don't know, these people could be good friends
to you. It's a friend to you that probably can
bring you out of stuff more than not. And man,
how can we lift lift you up? Because there's so
many people in life that just for better or for worse,
they come and go. They're not really great friends, very fleeting.
They don't really do things for you at some point,
they just want things from you. And and there's such

(36:34):
select few people that, Wow, that person just wants to
be a friend to me. That's all they want. They
just want to see me smile. True for some reason.
I mean, I just like triggering you. I don't know
about the smiling I.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Was gonna say.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
I just like mentioning that you're a writer and a
producer and you're big timing me all the time.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Now, I know.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
It's like I have such an ego. Now I wear
a hat and everything. You guys, I mean, he's so outsider.
He's telling me his obscure cult favorites, and.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
That are way better than Daria. I don't know if
you've watched a jar Okay, okay, but Daria is something
you should watch. And if you have it, you're a
freaking idiot and a loser. Okay, it's all it. Daria.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
You know, the spinoff from Beavis and Butt heead do
you remember that mainstream party?

Speaker 2 (37:11):
I remember Bea was a but it it's all about Darnay.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, like Queen, I mean Ki Moon, Queen g Queen
back to Leave Us Here. A cult favorites, So my
number one yes the critic, Wow, I really love that show.
That Jay Sherman is like my spirit animal. Like back
when I was heavier, that guy I related to. He

(37:35):
had a unique interpretation of masculinity. He was a snob
about movies. Like it was just it was just everything
that I aspired to be and you are now, Yeah,
but thinner, yes exactly. But yeah, that was just one
of those precious shows.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Like I did not see him when it aired on Fox,
but Comedy Central used to rerun him all the time,
like in the late nineties early two thousands, like at midnight,
and I was like a night owl. So like I
would see that show and I'll be like, and it
was funny because it was like pre family guy, like
it had all these cutaway gags, like all the stuff
that would kind of be pressing it for it. And
then I'm so glad I got the DVD set when
I did, because talk about obscurity. You cannot find that

(38:12):
DVD set anywhere nowadays.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yeah, Like there's so many royalties involved in it, and
that's why they release it, because it's as much like
Muppet Babies, where there's so many royalties for so many
different little clips that at the time they were able
to do because it really didn't matter. But now it's like, oh, well,
who gets the half sent royalty off of this on
this DVD streaming set? You're like, h back to the

(38:34):
kind of that same problem with Daria because of the music. Actually,
Mission Hills has that same problem too, where like they
had to release those shows on DVD without the original music,
much like Marry with Children because Mary with Children couldn't
have the original theme song by Frank Sinatra on its releases,
but they finally were able to go back and do it.
Do you remember him being a guest on was it
The Simpsons? Yes? The crossover episodes? Yes, yes, yes, that

(38:58):
was probably my favorite instance of him. It's on The Simpsons, Yeah,
because it has it has man get his with the football. Yeah.
Thinks it's the funniest thing in the world, and I agree.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Which is still it's funny to stay It is very funny.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
I love how that taking a life of its own,
because the funniest thing I've seen from that episode is
somebody took that image of Moullman on the ground with
the football and then made a Criterion collection cover out
of it.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Did you see the latest meme of it was Star
Wars for Phantom Menace. It's where Duel the Fates is
happening and Maul does a spin flip and then grabs
the whatever wreckage and throws it to open the door
and it throws off screen then hits Moleman in the
junk with Oh that's great. I was, like, it works
on so many levels. God damn it. Why so freaking good? Okay,

(39:46):
I like your I like your picks are very interesting,
not as contentious as my best No, no, not whatsoever.
I mean. I I have my preferences home movies. I
I would enjoy when it was on. I never searched
it out.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
I know for a lot of Brendan's small fans it's
metal acalypse like I know that. But for me, as
a movie guy like that, that hit a lot of
like residents for me, so like a lot of my
choices have a lot of that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Movie choices, my TV choices whatever. You You seem to
like the prototypes before I do.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
I do, because like I want like kind of going
back to home movies. I'll never forget watching that show
and like that show, like when you watch an episode,
it's like they talk in circles. And my sister, I
will never forget my sister walking in and she's watching
a scene and she's like, what.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
The hell are they talking? What's happening?

Speaker 3 (40:33):
And I'm just like, I like this because that sounds
so funny me because you just hear John Benjamin just
like rifting.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Just like that's making sense, so funny. So the route
you went is very different from the route I went.
The obscure that I did was, Uh, most of these
were like one season, they would end abruptly, you would
never see them again, never find them on streaming. And
one of them, uh ties to anime.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Uh. The first one is Bucky O'Hare.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
I have no idea. It was a compic series about
this green anomorphic rabbit that is the captain of Starship
in another universe where it's all animal people wow, and
the mammals are at war with the toad people. It's
all about pollution and big business taking over and ruining nature,

(41:21):
and it's buckyo Hair in his team.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
No, No, that was Captain Planet. That was Captain Planet.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Oh I'm not a Captain Planet fan.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I'm not either, thank God.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
That's why I was asking.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Because I was just wondering if it was one of
those weird stints where like a businessman had a hair
up their ass and being like, I.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Gotta save the world. So the compa came out years
prior to the to the anime series, and it wasn't
until Ninja Turtles that they went, what other series can
we make that have talking animals? Oh, comic book buckyo Hair.
So it lasted first season. You can only find it
on streaming on YouTube, but it was one of my
favorite cartoons of all time. And the toys were made

(41:59):
by Playmates Oh Wow, who did TM and T and
also did Toxic Crusaders. So all the toys were the
same size and all fit the same style, so you
could like have crossover episodes as you play with your
action fag exactly. And that's why I like multiverse stuff
because all my action figures always I do, except I

(42:20):
don't like the Flash. Oh I met the movie. I
still haven't watched it. You haven't watched it? For you?

Speaker 3 (42:25):
For a person that are you enjoying the marvel like
multiverse arc that's going on right now?

Speaker 1 (42:30):
I still haven't watched that Pool. That's okay, I mean
it's very it's fun.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
I can't wait to watch it. I know I will
love it. It's the best one I've seen out of
all these multiverse stuff.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Which sounds amazing to me because I think the big
studios will rely on multiverse stuff, whereas I think it's
something to be utilized in a beautiful way for specific moments.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
For you, I think you will appreciate it a lot
in Deadpool because simple yes, uh, the Flash That one's
just shallow.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
The thing is, I don't want to not like it,
and that will prevent me from watching things because I'm like,
I know I want to like this, and if I
think I'm not, I will hold off because I really
want to see Michael Keen as Batman. Yeah. But anyways,
So that was number one was Bucky o Hair Number
two Mortal Kombat Defenders of the Realm.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Wow, I only have a still image of my brain
of like Lukane animated and he had like a red
bandann on his head.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yes, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, I didn't make that up.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Okay, I was a fear of your dream. USA is
Cartoon Express came out in ninety six. Uh, spun out
of Mortal Kombat Annihilation of the movie. Oh, it was
probably the second one, not the first one. Yeah, because
it had characters from Mortal Kombat three in it. So
you had Jack's striker Sonya Blade in her MK three outfit.
The team had night Wolf, sub Zero number two, I
Don't Katan, Mortal Luke King, and the best part of

(43:47):
it was it added lore to you know, the stuff
that you would read in the video game of like
Smoke was Friends with Luke with sub Zero and like.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
A single page on your PlayStation sixty four exactly.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
So they took that and made a cartoon series out
of it. So there's actual story to Mortal Kombat. Wow.
The infamous thing for it was Raydon's like, all right, team,
we have to go stop Scorpion from invading from another world,
and quick go jump in your dragon.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Jets that dastly Scorpion, And all of a.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Sudden, they jump in these jets that are shaped like
dragons and are they flying around the jets and but
raiding can tell?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Okay, great, it's nineties, I get it.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Man. I loved it because there's a couple episodes like
Smoke being turned into a cyborg and you see the
backstory the lin Quay and how Subzero and Smoke are friends.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
They smoked the one that looks like Cyrax. Yes, and
he literally just has smoke coming out of him.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yes, that's this whole thing, Okay, And then it's weird
how I vaguely remember this stuff. And then you see
what happens to Cyrax in sector and how they end
up a certain way, and how sub Zero is kind
of friends with Luke King but not really and him
and Katana used to have a thing. And they brought
in all these other characters melodrama, so much wow and
a cartoon and how yeah, we were spoiled. Yeah, I know.
It's almost like they, you know, took that and then decide, oh,

(45:02):
I guess we could make gargoyles.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Now you can give that.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Carles was first, if you were just gonna keep coming
back here and you're gonna keep punching down that, you know,
you know, maybe you know, maybe maybe Batman wasn't the
greatest animated series of all time.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
But you know it wasn't first. Uh you know, this
actually predates Gargoyles. Was a Creepy Crawlers, which is my
number three. Wow.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I remember the commercials, uh like for the toys, for.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
The toys, but then they had a second set of
toys that were tied to the cartoon. Wow. Everything had
a cartoon. Yeah, and the cartoon was fun. It was
a you know, a kid gets to create these superheroes
out of his creepy crawling machine and that's convenient. Yeah,
you just had a machine conveniently to make creepy crawlers.
I mean it's the nineties.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah, it's the nineties.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Man. You can make a thing out of anything, that's true.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
I mean, I mean we had the Secret World of
Alex Mack where she turned into you know, T one thousand,
I guess just anything and.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Would immediately go nude and then all of a sudden
it appears and has no clothes on. You're like, this
is for kids. Yeah, I love it? Okay, great, No, man,
when we got into our Nicktoons stuff last two uh
AMC Sorry, ABC's Sonic the Hedgehog, not the Song the Hedgehog.
That was Goofy, the Future one, the Future One I
that one I want to watch very badly because I've

(46:10):
heard nothing but good things about that show. I think
you can watch it. It's streaming on I think it's
like on TWOB or something. It's somewhere free. I think
it's on two B or you can check Pluto in
their streaming area and it's there. And what I loved
about it was that it was similar to the comic
books for Song of the Hedgehog. Okay, if all the
same characters, the same plot line, except in the com
books you got Knuckles and what was going on with

(46:31):
his whole people and everything, which those will never be reprinted,
so good luck trying to find them. The cartoon episode, though,
was just it was so dark, and it also followed
the Batman and I guess Gargoyles style where it was
a little bit more dark dystopia and this yeah and
every episodetelling yes exactly as opposed to the Goofy, Hey Tails,
let's go get chili dogs. All of a sudden, it's Hey, Sally,

(46:53):
we gotta go stop Robotnik from taking all of our
family members, turning them into robots and taking.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Their souls away, Oh Boy, and Chili Dogs.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
The last one kids Samurai Pizza Cats Wow okay, which
you can find streaming on two B and if you
guys watched the Japanese version of it, it is nothing
like the American. The American is all satire and all
spoof okay, it is like connected at all. So the
American win is satire.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
The American is complete satire, okay.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Cause like it just sounds like a piss poor like
teenage mutant Ninja Turtles, And that's what I always wrote
it off as. But I didn't know that it was
actually like a satire, like it was meant to be
a joke.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yes, in Japan it was a serious series, a serious series. Wow,
it was a more serious television anime series. But in America,
apparently they didn't get the scripts. The scripts came way
late to translate, so like, let's just make up our
own dial almost.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Like Power Rangers, almost like they just had all this
like footage and then they just had to make stuff
up around the footage.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
And what better way to make money than to go
What are two most popular franchises right now? Ninja turtles
and power Rangers. Oh, let's have a superhero team that's cats. Yeah,
that fights big robots and pizza and pizza because pizza
rules and why not it's true and chili dogs, book
pizza the food of juggles. You want to know how

(48:11):
to feed a juggle over, bring him a pizza. He
will come out of his hole. Really sorry, pizza. All right,
we're going to get into more rapid fire quick ones.
So this is your Oh, here we go. Top. Number
one superhero cartoon. There were so many superhero cartoons in
the nineties and two thousands.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Considering your how you responded to it, I already know
we're gonna fight right now. Number one Superman the animated series. Ah,
I I adore that show.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Why what reason?

Speaker 1 (48:40):
I okay? One, I like Superman. Do you like Superman?
I do okay, like a cipig series for super much
like iron Man. I like iron Man in certain situations
Superman the same way.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
I really enjoy the characterizations. This was the show that
made me understood why Lois Lane was great. I firmly
believe that Superman has the best origin story and the
first four episodes whatever, like when it handles his origin.
I just think is so beautifully well done. I like
that they flirt with serialization in it. I like that

(49:10):
there's like character deaths in it that like carries weight,
and the ending is surprisingly like sad and somber. Are
you talking about the dark dark side things? Yeah, there's
a lot I like about it that just really holds
a lot of water for me. And like, I mean,
like I could have gone the obvious route and said Batman,
you know, the animated series, but like everybody knows, everybody knows, and.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Batman the animated series is the origin to all of this.
So you can't have Justice League Limited without Batman the
anime series, you can't have Teen Titans without Batman, the
NMA series. You can't even have any of the spinoff
new series without Batman the animated series.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
It started everything.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
That's why I put it in my top five, but
not anything following that, because I'm like, it is the
origin of all this.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
And the thing too is for me when it comes
to like talking about stuff like this, like I don't
like looking at things in objectivity because I don't believe
art is objective.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
I firmly believe it is subjective.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
And if I got to be honest with me, Like,
through and through, I enjoy Superman beginning to end, I
enjoy Batman beyond beginning to end. Like it just there
has like an emotional resonance for me that just carries
a lot more weight than Batman does. And I enjoy
a lot of Batman, don't get me wrong, But there's
a lot of it too that just doesn't hold as
much water comparatively.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Hmmm.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Interesting, So you think, was it Professor Hamilton holds more
weight than episodes with Alfred and Robin. Yeah. Absolutely interesting.
He's such a crap character. I know he turns on.
We find out later in the continuity of the show
in the cartoon, which which is funny because my number
one superhero cartoon is Justice League.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Yeah, because that was my other pick if I didn't
go with Superman.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Because I think the best Superman stories were told in
Justice League. Yeah, because those are the times that really
break his morale. It really shows him to one be
a team member, right to lie on his friends, right,
Like the crossover episode with him and Batman, that's great
intensity that they have.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
That is that's so fun.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
It's it's so amazing, and I love it. Using his
X revision and that Batman spying on him, and then
Lois and Bruce and everything I'm trying to put, like
Bruce Wayne picking up Lowis Lane like that. That's what
I mean. Though.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
There's a lot of that consistency throughout the Superman show
that I like about that in the writing, right.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
And then it really carries over to Justice League. Yeah,
and just the way they all relate everything with the
Hawk World, yes, three part everything with the White Martians,
and even episodes like the Christmas episode. That's my favorite episode.
It's so good. I watched that every Christmas, like I do.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
It's a great episode, like that one in.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
The Batman uh Christmas episode where they try stop the Joker.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I do love that one Christmas with the Joker.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Yes, yes, yeah, I love that one. The one with
the three parter with Clay Face. Then I don't watch
that one, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
The only one I like is the New Year. I
like the ending to the New Year's short. You remember
when he does the coffee shop with Jim Oh. Yes, yeah, yeah,
but that's the only thing that makes that episode like
worth it. But anyways, yeah, but not to the point
of I'm gonna watch it every year, Like I'll just
share the image from the car at the conference. Yeah,
the year your top video game cartoon, because again, everything

(52:17):
had a cartoon, including I never talked about. I really
don't have a good answer.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
The only thing I can offer because I'm only saying
this and I'm not even saying it as the best.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
It's the only one I know I watched.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
They had a video game.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
I mean technically, I guess, but because I'm taking it
more of like literally a video game that had a cartoon,
and for me, off was like I only watched the
star Neck cartoon, the first one that adhd one. Oh really,
yeah that's the because that's all I had. I didn't
watch Mortal Kombats. Yeah, like that's all I got. It's
just just that show is just manic. I mean, I'm
not even gonna argue that as good. I just I

(52:50):
just know that's the only answer I can give you.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
For some reason, I thought you were going to come
out swinging with something like Earthworm.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Gym oh I forgot.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
About or Bubbzy because he had a cartoon.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Dan, you see I didn't you know, like because I
remember answer, I will probably say Earthworm Gym because I
do remember watching that show. I don't remember anything about
it except the little guy that.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Yeah, I just because I remember getting the Taco Bell toys.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
But yeah, yeah, but I forgot he was a video
game like he was a video game character first, right, yeah,
and yeah, yeah, I'm changing.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Okay, that's my official answer is worth Worm Jim, not Gargoyles.
Earthworm Jim was just top. It already has a number
two slot, like what are we doing? I saw a
Gargoles figure the other day from Neka and I.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
They's so those are so gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
I saw it, I thought about, you know, and went
I did collecting that. I didn't even open it.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
It was a Gliath. Oh no, you don't care. You
didn't know which one it was. It was a gargoyle.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
It might have been Goliath. It was one of the
bigger characters, so I think it was Gliath. Okay, it
may have been like a variant color Goliath, but it was.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Probably day Log. But anyway, I went Mega Man.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
He had a cartoon. Oh he did have a cartoon
on Wow when you said that the theme song them, Yeah,
that blew my mind right now again, much like Mortal Kombat.
There was no lore to Mega Man to me, and
and I'm not even that big of a Mega Man
is a video game franchise that I love the story
of and I love the lore of it, and I

(54:13):
love the characters and the designs. And I have many
video game series where I love all of that aspect
of them. But there's a game that I really like
from the franchise Mega Man. It was Mega Man X okay,
with the cartoon Mega Man and Proto Man and just
having all those different characters, the red one yeah okay,

(54:35):
and the fact that he would just touch their their
arm and steal their weapon and change color you could.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Yeah, the figures, I remember that you did. Yes, And
I had the Red guy Proto Man. Yes, I had
those two, and I had the dog Rush.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
I had Rush. Okay. I've literally been looking for a
ProtoMan figure. I wish I could find those. Somebody had
it at Frankinson's and I'm like, gosh, you didn't get it. No,
you know, there was other cheap there's other toys I needed.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
There's other more than Proto Man. And there was a Lowland.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Merriwuac from Pokemon, and I was like, okay, that's dependely
a Merriwuax.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
No, I didn't. I didn't have any Merriwax.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
That's what Merrijuac I wanted because he's a ghost fire type,
not just the ground rock type.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Okay, I started turning out, how did.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
You make it through the Pokemon episode with me and Eddie?

Speaker 3 (55:19):
You know that's how much I like you.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
That's how much I like to research. Okay, Yeah, I'm
a writer.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I'm a researcher and writer. With my little hat and my.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Glasses and my red pants, putty tail and my goth boots. Yeah,
I literally say my potty tee. So I could clip
it odd, so I could be like, I'm a producer.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
I looked like Wally West in the nineties cartoon what's
up comics?

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Wally Wally West, what do you mean remember?

Speaker 2 (55:48):
And like you didn't have a great.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
And Grant Morrison Mark Millar's run he has a ponytail,
going no, yes he does, Yes, he does. If it's
not that it's it's definitely at the later half of
mark Wage run. But he has he has a ponytail.
How does he have a pony That's how I rationalize it.
I was like, I look like Wally West. I'm rolling
with it.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
I'm gonna have to go through Alma and I'm a
big Wally West fan, and I'm like, I do not
remember a ponytail. I'm gonna send you a picture later.
I'm gonna text you and send it to you be like, uh,
It's probably the one book that I'm like, no, I'm
not reading this. I did love Jeff John's run on
Wally West.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
I mean I love that whole run. Now we're we're
not gonna go on right now.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
There's an another to but but the flash Wally West
in Justice like this amazing extreme cartoon of the nineties.
Now this could be extreme in the title because everything
was extreme, extreme championship wrestling, extreme toys, extreme, more sea cars,
everything was extreme, or it could just be that radical,
over the top show that you're like, oh my god,

(56:44):
could this be more nineties right now?

Speaker 3 (56:46):
My only the only answer that it could come up
with was Street Sharks Nice again. I don't remember anything.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
About that show streaming right now on two B, but
that advertising worked because it was like Barbie's, they sold
those like Street Sharks, and my mom got me one
and I had the metal head Shark and like a Barbie,
I cut his hair off. They cut his hair off.
But that's my Street Shark memory. But I remember, didn't
they say like jawsum or something like that, Like that
was yeah, but I just remember.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
They were just they were sharks, like they fight and
they're on streets and they're literally fighting.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
They stand for everything, right, Street Shark, that's wow.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
I went with an actual extreme titled cartoon, Extreme Ghostbusters
that was a follow up to the Real Ghostbusters. Yep, wow.
And at first it was kind of like beast Wars,
where beast Wars didn't necessarily have direct ties to the
Transformers cartoon. It was Transformers, but they weren't really sure

(57:43):
if it was a reboot or if it was connected.
Until later you start seeing hints of oh they referenced Starscream,
they reference uh, these other things to Transformers, and then
you get to see, oh, crap, this is a sequel.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Okay, you don't really know it.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Same thing with Extreme Ghostbusters. Egon is in it and
he mentions, oh, oh yeah, I was a Ghostbuster and
he has this new team and you know what I
love about it? It was very nineties because it did
have diversity in it. And my favorite series of a
lot of SEQL series is usually when they bring the
diversity into it because it felt more nineties and real
to me. Sure, I don't know, I'm not like it

(58:17):
needs to have this, but I'm like, oh, hey, here's
the list.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
It was organic and it just felt cool, like.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Here's a Latino guy, here's the black guy, here's what
I appreciate, here's the handicapped person. Here's the cool goth girl.
And the cool goth girl kind of pulled me in.
Oh there was a goth Ghostbuster.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Yeah, it's kind of hot.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
And it wasn't until you get towards the end of
the series that they brought back the original Ghostbusters and
they have a super grows.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
By that time because at that time you already had
the cool new character.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
No, it actually made it so much better because much.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Like a I would have been like, get out of here,
old guys.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Much like a multiverse, you're like, it's all interconnected, much
like a Grant Morrison cartoon or a combook, everything is connected,
or just not going to go there right now. You're
not gonna pull me in, like we're doing that now
because Great Horse is so great? Is it if you say,
so Tom made into a cartoon from a movie cartoon.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
So this is a movie that eventually became a cartoon.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Uh, yes, and that could be anything from Bill and
Ted's Excellent Adventure became cartoon to RoboCop.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
So the one I watched was The Mighty Ducks.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Yes that wasn't even where I was thinking you would go,
but yes, that was a show.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
And it's funny because I revisited that a couple When
Disney Plus came out, I was like, I need to
kind of like you're like the one that was going
after there was like talk about pure nineties marketing at
its point, right, because you had these like movies that
came out like markting the Kids about the Anaheim Mighty
Mighty Ducks hockey team.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
But they're named after them, okay, And.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Then you get like Donald Duck like characters. There are
hockey teams slash space fighters as they go fight an
alien tyrant up in space and they have a spaceship
duck like it's just it.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
But then they're accepted as anthropomorphic ducks that live on
Earth and are the Mighty Ducks, and everyone's like, oh,
it's okay, they're alien duck but there are a hockey teams. Yeah,
but then they're superheres, but we're not referencing their superheres,
but we accept them because they saved us from the
and they play hockey. Yeah, hockey, yeah, and all their
weapons have to do with hockey, like they had like
a puck shooter like it was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
It was bonkers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Did you have the toys from my Taco bell?

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Was not?

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
No, I actually had action figures, oh, the actual I
had actual action figures.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Like that was a moment for me. You need to
find all your toys. Man, these are all worth money,
and if not, just to recollect them cost so much
money now, so it's so worth just oh my god,
what was the what was the main guy's name? I
don't remember, but the guy with a gold mask, Yeah,
that was.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
The gold mask. Like I always liked the weird dudes
that like. I think there was the one with the
ipatch and he was slender. He looked like tro from
Gun and Wings.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm so surprised you went
that rout. I was like thinking, man, he's gonna go
like Toxic Crusaders or or something like that threw you
for a loop. Uh, you're that's why you invited me.
I'm a writer, by the way, I'm all full of surprises.
The damn producers changing things up. I'll be You're not
gonna be surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
We're rider. I gotta go to surprise anyways, you may
be surprised.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
I went Clerks.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
You know, I almost picked that one. I almost picked it,
but how very predictable of it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Yeah, and it was something I didn't need and it's good. Yeah.
And there was so many different like series that were
movies that became TV shows later that I enjoyed a lot. Yeah,
and I enjoyed because there would be filler and between
things like Back to the Future. I enjoyed watching the
cartoon you know, it was a sequel to Back to
the Future three Bill and Ted. I enjoyed watching that RoboCop.
I enjoyed watching a Passing or The Phantome twenty forty nine.

(01:01:27):
But Clerks was the only one that I was like,
this was really well done to me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Yeah, I mean Mighty Ducks, yes, obviously, but like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Obviously that's like God's here, but like Clerks is a
close second, you know, but Clerks is so special. It
is I mean, you know, I.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Mean it was just something to say with, like, is
the fact that Kevin Smith was involved?

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Is it safe? Is it safe? I haven't watched it
a whole long time.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
You know what I remember about that show is that
they just kept making Quentin Tarantino jokes. And that's how
the show was pitched to me when someone was like,
you got to watch it for the Quentin Tarantino jokes,
and I was like, I appreciate this, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Didn't watch it until years later. It was on TVD
somewhere and I grabbed them like this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Yeah, that was something that like I didn't see until
my twenty years or so. But I've seen it exactly once,
but I remember liking it a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Okay, if you just heard that sound effect, that means
we're actually taking a break in the middle of this
because we went so long with this episode and we
have so much to get to. Whoops, what something I
recorded with three hours that I meant to be forty minutes?
He invited me. Woh crap, Well, that's actually what happens
with a lot of my friends. And to wrap this
episode up before we get to the rest of this list.

(01:02:28):
In the next episode, look, you guys get two episodes
of the forecast very close next to each other. That's special. Yeah,
you shouldn't complain. But anytime I'm with any of my
friends and we have a great time hanging out, it
usually goes three four hours. Oh, that's good. If it's
with my buddy Lincoln, we end up in a parking
lot for three four hours after watching The Phantom Menace
in three D in a movie theater. If it's with Diego,

(01:02:49):
we usually end up in a parking lot outside of
art gallery. That's true, after he's been stuck talking to
somebody for three hours about movies which I avoided the city.
He witnessed it, He fully witnessed it. I was like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
I was drowning.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
It was not.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
It was a very one sided conversation, I'll tell you
that much. It was a lot of nodding and yes.

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