Do You 'Memba? I 'Memba.... The Glory of the 90's Toons Pt2

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Howaday partner West. So, if you're hearing this right now,
this is what is called a pickup in the industry.

(00:20):
This is actually going to be where we go hey, goodbye,
and hey hello, so long super friend. Yes, So this
pickup is we're starting round two of this. We're jumping
right in the middle of our list. I don't know
where this is because we're literally recording this afterwards. We're
not even done recording what we were finishing, and we're
getting right back into it right now. So again this
is the forecast, that's diego, what's up? Getting right back

(00:41):
into our list of the nineties and early two thousands
cartoons that resonated with us that are important to us,
and let's get right back into it. On New You'd Come,
we're getting our top threes here. This is top three
from network television for cartoons. So we're gonna have our
top three Nicktoons, Top three Cartoon cartoons, and Top three

(01:01):
two Nami because Cartoon Network and Tunami are two separate entities.
It is, and we can't it was a different kind
of block of cartoons, like specific cartoons, because you're like,
you're not going to see reruns of Tunami in cartoon
network and vice versa. I like, and if you watch
Tunami in the early afternoon, if you watch Tsunami at night,
it was Yeah, they were different, really different, different animals. Oh,

(01:22):
if you recorded, I would go home and record Tunami
in the afternoon. I would have it set to record
like the night before. But if I missed it, I'm like,
I got to record ton me at night. Oh man,
the difference. And I didn't realize it until years later
on I'm like, why is this one? How blood in
this one? What the hell happened here? Uh? Your top
three Nicktoons? All right?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Rocos Modern Life, Yes, as told by Ginger, And my
favorite one was, Hey Arnold, our lists are not much different, okay,
Rocos maar in Life, Okay, we can agree. Which is
my top one? Hey Arnold?

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay? Wow? And the third, which is actually it started
in the early two thousands. I didn't appreciate it fully
until much later. Fairly odd parents.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Oh wow, so we neither of us had Rugrats? No,
very interesting. And it was the first one too. I
thought rugrats, I thought all real monsters. Right, you know,
the same studio did both of those, and they both
have a special place. But on the looking back, what
I really appreciated he Arnold again had the diversity and

(02:25):
had the aspects we had trauma.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, things so trauma. That's why it was my favorite,
Like things we had as kids that we weren't really
able to talk about.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, and like a good spirited kid that was just
kind of friends with everybody. Everybody liked him, Like it
was just it was a good premise. It was a
vibe too, because then you had like a really good score.
It was just jazz and it was just like smooth jazz,
and it was like it was a special kind of show.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Like he had a room that we could all have, yea,
even though he was living in pretty much an ish
hole with this weird made up family. And then he
was like, oh, Gerald, do you have it so good kids?
You have a real family, and then goes to jails
as he's like, oh man, maybe you don't have it
so good. You have like this chaotic family. But Jeral
it's like, but I love my family. Yeah, the chaos
is what I love and there I wouldn't change it.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
And then like we all secretly want to stalk her
name Helga BATTACKI you know who, like hates us, but
like actually loves us in devote.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
And I want the other girl that that Arntdllilah Arnold
was into that was Lilah. Yeah, I think it sucks.
Oh really, I see.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I like the premise of Helga because I like, I
think it's enduring that.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
There's like, because you have a shrine to Margot Robbie
that's made leave my shrine out of this because made
of chewing up that she spit out all over the
place as Harley Gwinn.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
That's true, but I'm not denying anything. I'm not confirming it,
but I'm not denying it either. But I I just
think it's endearing that there's somebody that could hate somebody
and love somebody so much because getting because a little
boy was just like I like your pink bow and
like held an umbrella on the worst day of her life.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Like I think that's so cute.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
You remember the couch up to say, very cute, very
endearing where Leila was just like she was it Like
that episode's so funny because it's so real, Like he
wasn't into her right because he and she was all
over him because she thought Arnold had a crush on
it and then like when he realized it and then
he was like, oh, I kind of like you, and
she's like, actually, when I actually thought about it and
realized you didn't have a crush on me, I actually

(04:19):
realized I didn't like you, and I was like, wow,
that's real.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
That's so real, so real, but so different from me
because I feel like it was always like hey, I'm
into you, I'm not really into you, and then years
like like, oh, but I actually really am into you.
I just wasn't able to see it because I was,
you know, talk to this person or that person and
it's like, why do you tell me? And I was like, ah,
never mind, I don't want to deal with you. And
like I love the side characters like his cousin Arnie.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Oh yeah, Like then like to to puton pass it
to Oscar, Like I love that dinner scene when Arnie's there,
and like Oscar's wife asks ask Artie, like who are
you into? And he just labels and he just names
all these things.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
And then like Oscar's just like what kind of soothie?
What kind of stupid? It's just like Oscar, what, He's
an idiot? Like, dude, there's just so many great things
stoop Kid. Stup Kid never leaves his stoop, but then
he gets him to leave his He lets him get
over his PTSD, his fear, he gains friends, and then
when he needs stoop Kid later to deal with the

(05:17):
upper graders that are like messing with him, he literally
becomes the Bash Brothers from the Mighty Ducks. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Pigeon Man.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, Like just these weird like sub sect of characters,
like the random horror stories like that ghost train episode,
or like they're just random stuff like Wheezing d which
scared me a lot when I was a kid, Like
just a lot of a lot of random stuff that
like I appreciate that just kind of gave a lot
of flavoring.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
To the show, like really good, so special on Rocco,
because again, it dealt with so many different things that
we could appreciate his kids, and we could see hints
of it being adult.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
It took every everyday situations and just turned him into nightmares.
And I always love that catchrase of just like grocery
shopping day is a very dangerous day, Like it's just.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Oh, it's a credit cards, Like that's still my nightmare.
I don't even understand it. Yeah, now I'm like, oh crap.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
But Rocco Funky got like his you know, urinal taken
away from him, and it's just like it's devastating.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
And then he has that.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Like that clown crying clown and iron lung and I'm like, real,
that's real.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
I want that.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Like it's just that credit card episode, the garage sale episode,
like just every Monday things and then just turning it
up to eleven to make it like a nightmare.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
How Like yeah, even his relationship with Spunky. How could
a guy love an animal so much? Yeah, I get
it because my guineas are on my world. When I
think of what he would do for Spunky, I'm like, oh,
of course I do the same thing, absolutely, And like
when Spunky would eat something wrong and you're like, oh
my god, what are you doing? Yeah, when he thought
he was almost gonna die and pop, oh god, oh god,

(06:46):
we gotta squeeze it out of him. We gotta squeeze
it out of him. On a side tangent, One of
my favorite episodes.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Of Rock is when they all think Heffer is gonna
die and they're at his deathbed, in the hospital bed,
and they're all having like memories of him, and they
all remember that he's actually a horrible human being.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Like that is genius. That is genius. Wait, why do
we feel bad? Right?

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Like yeah, then he wakes up, he's like wow, guys,
then that would happen, and they all hug him and
they're like, oh my god, thank god you're alive. And
then they realized and they're like, you're awful.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Top three cartoon cartoons, and it's so different from Nicktoons.
It would deal with realness in its own way in
weird PTSD and creepiness.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
It was a lot more like surreal, but like kind
of like an anarchy kind of thing, like anything goes
kind of thing. Yeah, particularly with my choices because it
was like Cow and Chicken, Yes, Courage, the Cowardly Dog Yes,
and Powerpuff Girls, Oh we're so close again, so close
Cow and Chicken Okay, uh Courage, which was so That's that.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
I think started my love for horror. The first episode
with the chicken pox. I always think about the slack guy. Oh,
like that was like that was I'm so eerie I
have from that.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Like I remember me and my brother were scared that
night and I had to call my dad at work,
and like we're like crying and he doesn't understand what
we're saying.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Just like, take that character and put it next to
the grinning gentleman from Yaffe, and then put that next
to like something like bobb a duke. Oh yeah, it's
the same.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Oh. And then was the the other dude encouraged Fred
was a cousin Fred, the guy that was like obsessed
with cutting hair.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Na, oh god, yeah, you were so nice but no,
like not even sexually, just creepy like, but but it
insinuated that too, like you don't know what he's saying.
And then even hearing people say that nowadays were like,
you're very naughty. You're like it it hits something, it
triggers something. Agreed, And then, uh, the only difference I

(08:50):
had I love Powerpuff Girls edit and Eddie. I almost
picked that one.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
The only reason I went with Powerpuff Girls was because
I that was like one of my appointment televisions. Like
I watched that every weeknight when that was on, and
I you know, when I actually really started thinking about it,
I'm like that probably was a genesis for my love
for superheroes eventually.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Interesting, I like that much like Nicktoons. We didn't pick
the first couple Nicktoons, right, we didn't pick Dexter or
Johnny Bravo.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
I almost had those like I do enjoy Dexter a lot,
and then like I enjoy Johnny Bravo too. But it
just like when I actually really thought about like things
that like in memory, what I thought back on and
like what really kind of like maybe formed me into
the person that I am today, I was like, yes,
this was kind of the messed up stuff that I kind.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Of dug going into the tippy top upper echelon of
the networks. To me, oh man, all right, top three
for Tunami. This could also be hard because to me
started with reruns, Yeah, and you could kind of pull
in some of those.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
You could technically cheap, but I didn't. I will oh,
I'm I imagine this is more of like saying our
top three like anime. I don't know, but that's how
I kind of took it, Yes, because that's what I
took Tonami for, because like, yeah, because technically they would
show like Batman Beyond and Superman and stuff like that,
but I didn't go that route.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
So my three.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Tenchi muyo, Okay, Outlast Star, and then my only out
overlap is Dragon ball Z out Lost Star.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
I heard that name it for it. I love outlawst Star.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
That was a big soft spot for me because, like
it was basically like the anime equivalent of Firefly before
Firefly was a thing.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
It was just like a space Western. I rewatched it
recently and it holds up pretty decently. Like it starts
off pretty strong, it SAgs in the middle, but then
the ending's pretty strong, and like, fortunately it's it's not
that long. It's like maybe twenty six episodes at most,
but I adore that show. Well, you know, I I
don't think I've seen Outlast Star since its first airing,

(10:55):
but I think it's on Oh it's on Hulu. Oh nice,
this is on Disney Play US, but I think that's
probably only in other countries. And I think I may
have me.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Think Disney Plus bought Hulu, so that's probably where there's
like some overlap going on there.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
So in other countries, Oh, this is bizarre, and I
I it's only bizarre because we don't have it and
I want it, and why isn't it here in other countries?
Disney Plus has all the stuff from Hulu. It has
a library. Because they don't have Hulu, they have Disney
Plus and they have the Disney Plus Stars, which allows
you to watch all the Fox in twisting mm hmm,

(11:30):
which pisses me off because I just want to watch Mash.
Everybody wants to watch Mash Dudek Suicide Painless brother to
the Marilyn Manson cover so similar. I do have DBZ
because Dragon Ball Z was DBZ and to like hand
in hand together and it was right during the Cell

(11:51):
saga or sorry the Freezer yea namic and Cell Saga
was where I jumped in absolutely love it again. I
know it's your favorite. It's one of my tops for
that era. Gundam Wing I own. That was my other choice.
That was my alternative choice. If it wasn't for Gunam Wing,
I wouldn't be such a Gundam fan and a model
kit fan like I still. I was making a Gunna

(12:12):
model yesterday.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I love Hiro like he's Hiro Yui.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
He uh that man, he's a vibe like it's just.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
That that man is like he tells that girl straight up,
I'm gonna kill you and walk it like no. He
rips up her birthday invitation then walked away saying I'm
gonna kill you and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
And then she's like, but I still love you and
I want to be with you.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh and then I'm gonna like pop my knee and
then pop it back into place because I'm a six psychopath.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
But then I'm gonna fight your brother to the death,
but tell him, don't you die because your sister needs you.
Who's actually your sister that you don't really know about
but she knows about you but kind of not really.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
That show is so insane because it's like it's all
these dudes that just have death wishes.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, they're all like depressed and it's just like wow,
but I still want to do right and save people.
But they all have a weird like death like they
just want to die. They just hate them, so then
they all find reasons to in the end. That's yeah. Yeah,
especially after Endless Waltz, they really have it. Endless walt
is so good. Hero is your top favorite in the show? Yeah?
Him and troa interesting?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I love Troe is my other guy that I loved
because I loved his gundom a lot.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
I love the heavy arms. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh
this will surprise you that my favorite was Duo. Yeah,
of course you love Duo. What'd you do in Foo? Yeah,
let's see. He's a snarky talking guy who has the
pottytail dresses at all black. I wonder which one. Yeah,
I'm picking him.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
And like his gun Dam is all like especially when
it yeah, like that endless wallts like just like the
Angel of Death, Like.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
It's just so cool when it got to that.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
I know, I love those endless Waltz designs. Those like
gun Dams were so freaking sick.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Have you watched the There's the animated movie version, and
then there's the OVA version. The OVA is a three
parter in actually actually has a show, right, it's like
more of a mini series, so it's okay, it has
extra scenes in it. If you haven't it's it's I
believe I have.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
I don't like, I don't remember because I haven't watched
either in all like since they aired. And then I
picked up the collection like maybe twelve years ago, and
I did a whole run through, and I don't remember
what itcludes, but I'm pretty sure it has an OVA.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
It's it's uh yeah, something special. But yeah, I remember
when they were announcing that Endless Wats would be on Twunami,
like we have something special frees, such a great capper
like Gundam Wing. The movie Endless Waltz coming for Christmas,
and it's all at Christmas. It's a Christmas movie, just
like Batman Returns. Yes, yeah, and oh wait, no opened
on Christmas. Sorry if my wires were crossed.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
My third one is actually an original Tunami cartoon, but
not an anime, The Real Adventures of Johnny Quest. Wow
you were that one fan? Mm hmm wow. I hated it.
I thought it was so annoying. I liked how bizarre
it was to take this happy go lucky kind of
Hannah Barbara cartoon, right, and then those weren't the real adventures.

(14:52):
These are the real adventures and this was the real
one and they go into like GPG world. But it
was dark though, and that's what I liked about it.
Did take it and make it a dark version of
the Hanna Barbarer cartoon.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Okay, So to be fair, I didn't give that show
a fair shake because I remember when it came on,
it was always right before Dragon Ball Z and it
was always in the way, what.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Is this cartoon? And I was like I want Goku.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
I was like, give me my super saying like stop step,
you need to see ten episodes of Waiting for the
Spirit Bomb.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, not this crap. It's all vibes. Okay, Like just
don't just don't even go there.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Much like the prequels, uh dbz, I will lovingly make
fun of because of all right, you charging up charging charging?
When is when is Piccolo gonna throw that freaking disc man.
I'll make great episodes, I'll make jabs, but I can't.
I just can't.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I'm too much of a like a purist of just
like just I love love way too much.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Kill all of everything we just talked about, every single
series we just talked about, Kill all of them. You're
gonna be stranded on a desert island. You're allowed to
take three sets of DVDs with you everything we've talked about,
from our list, everything, everything we've talked about, because your
top five could be different from I only get to
watch three for the rest of my life, right, which

(16:06):
three do you keep? Everything you just talked about.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Daria because that's like a comfort show for me, Okay,
And plus that DVD set does include two movies. So
that's okay, that's pretty solid. Hey, Arnold, I gotta go
with Dragon ball Z.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
I changed my answer as we were talking about everything.
Oh wow, did I influence you?

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (16:26):
No, I influenced myself. I thought it was me as
a writer with a twist. I know, because in my
brain I differentiate the entirety of a saga with a
nineties portion of a saga. Okay, So originally I was
gonna have Pokemon on there. Okay, but I love the
final six seasons of Pokemon so much because they're a

(16:48):
love letter to everything with Ash, and he progresses and
changes and grows and becomes the Pokemon Master we all
knew he could be. If you say so, he does.
He does. Believe me, he does. One day You'll be
like or I.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
All I remember is that like he just didn't know
how to raise a Charis Art and it just sat
there at the Pokemon League embarrassing him and he cried.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Right like a little whimp. But then when you get
to the part where he becomes a Pokemon Master, Charis
Art is cheering him on, and he's like.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
If you say so, is there a fan theory out
there where it's a delusion, No delusion.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
I'll find it. I'll write it. I'm a writer and
I'm a producer, so I will produce that bitch too.
I will have a copy for you on your desk
when you watered or not by tomorrow. Screenplay ready credit diego.
So I changed it. I'd go Justice League, okay, because

(17:38):
I never get tired of it, and it has the
best versions of Batman Superman. Yeah, I agree. People argue
about Wonder Woman, but I love her relationship with Batman
in it.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, it's it's very weird because I when I didn't
read her comics, I felt that way. But then like
in retrospect, it hasn't paid. Like I used to say,
it was like the best interpretation I've seen in the character.
But I feel differently about that now. But I still
very much enjoy seeing her and when they give her
like badass moments, that's like and I do enjoy that
dynamic with Batman, Like I agree.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
So it's so good though I think it's cute, like
because it also humanizes him so much because.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Not to go on a side tangent, but it's like,
I think it's a better alternative than that.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
With Barbara Gordon.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, you know what I mean, Like in terms of
the Bruce Timber.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Stuff, like I that's yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Think there's a lot of contentious stuff there, but like
with that and Wonder Woman, I think that's one of
the least contentious stuff that, you know what I mean,
Like at least it makes it a little bit more
grounded and endearing.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Like yeah, and I can understand like at least the
things that they were doing with with back Girl and
Batman when it's like, oh, kind of Stockholm syndrome and
kind of like looking up to this father figure. I
don't want to look at Batman that way though. I
completely agree, and I know that they were just trying
to find a way how do we cause the division
with night Winging? And I get yeah, that makes sense

(18:56):
for a cartoon, Yeah, because in a comic book world,
you're like, oh, I'm growing up. I don't want to
be an adolescent anymore. I don't want to like we
need we need something that's more, something more spicy. Yeah,
I get it. I just something more telenovella. And how
do we do that? Yeah? Was it a wise decision?
I don't know, Probably not, But I mean they did
also make Tim Drake Jason Todd.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
So yeah, I mean, look, and that's the thing I mean,
like when it cut not to get back to all
these shows, but like sometimes you got to kind of
do certain things for adaptation. Like Superman, they obviously had
the nerve big time between the animated series and Justice League,
just to make him more you know, palpable to fighting
villains and stuff like that. Right, Like you kind of
have to excuse a lot of that stuff just because

(19:38):
it's just like otherwise you don't really have anything, like.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, you have to make your own form of headcannon. Yeah,
exactionalize everything. Yeah, and sometimes when you do that, you
can kind of make it even better when you say that, Okay,
Tim Versus doesn't really make sense to a degree, but
how do we make it make sense? Well, if you
take the animated movie versions of The Killing Joke and
Under the Red Hood and you apply throw it Away,
you apply those two Bruce Tim vers you go, Okay,

(20:04):
they can kind of fit now, they kind of make
more sense. But I digress Justice League Beast Wars because
I can always watch it. It's the premiere train, so
that holds up for you. Yeah, I mean, if you
ask my wife, She says, why are you watching this
PlayStation one? Looking?

Speaker 2 (20:18):
It does?

Speaker 1 (20:19):
It doesn't, but the storytelling is there, okay, And actually
if I watched.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Some it was it rat that is his name, Ratso
rat Trap. He's the one that used to be a
villain and he became a good guy, right, no, the
raptor yeah, the oh see I remember some of us.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah. So so dinah Bot was the bad guy that
became a good guy because he had honor, and then
rat Trap never trusted him, and then in that what
it was, Okay, there's a big grudging love between them, bro. Yes,
exactly it actually it is because dinah Bot actually references
Shakespeare in a couple episodes.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Wow, So it almost wants to get to Gargles, but
it's not quite there. No, because it's better than Gargoles,
because Gargoles looks bay because there's actually a roke death
in it, as opposed to Disney.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Nobody dies of Disney. Yeah, but like that.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Doesn't matter, like you know, just something neither in comic books,
and we both reac commic books, nobody ever really died.
They die, they just come back, right, But that they're
not dead anyways doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
At least beast Wars they kill people. Okay, I'm just saying,
you know, enjoy your place graphics. They look amazing to me.
It's still real. Love is blind still real to me.
Damn it. Love is blind. Uh huh. Much like wrestling.
It's true, you can't see me. It's the equivalent.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
At least when I say that, people know what I'm saying.
Nobody can see you waving your hand in front of
your face, but.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
They can't see me in visible. You can't make that
joke work. Stop, sit down. It was earlier when I
said that you ords of prototype stuff that I always said,
shout out to John Cita. Third series. I'll switch out Pokemon.
I'll put Gun and Wing in there. Okay. I can
watch it anytime, especially with endless Walt attached. Yeah I can.

(22:03):
It's such a good caffir bonus questions that you didn't
know about.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Oh no, I'm not ready for this, rapid fire.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Oh god. Looney Tunes or tiny Tunes, Tiny Tunes, Street
Sharks or Extreme Dinosaurs. They're spin off Street Sharks. I
guess because I didn't know that was a thing. Tiny Tuns,
Street Sharks, Top Disney tune animated series.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Oh, goof Troop, goof Troop, I love I love Max
Coop A Goofy movie for life, Like, oh my god,
I love the.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
A Goofy movie. Yes, but goof Troop.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Well, Max was in it. Max was like my character.
That was like my legacy character. I grew up with that.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
That's like saying, I love the Uh, what's the alternative?
What do you want me to say? Oh?

Speaker 2 (22:50):
You know what, maybe I'll change my answer, quack pack,
Really I don't what's the alternative?

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Well, I guess you're right. I mean, what did you
expect me to say? In a rabbit fire question? Like?
But I I like, look, I like Goofy.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Out of all the Disney characters, I like Goofy, and
I like I like Max a lot. Like that was
like a big like legacy character for me. Grew up
with him on you know, goof Troop and extremely Goofy
movie and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
So I'm surprised he didn't go with Dark Wing Duck
because it's like Batman Me's Gargles.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
You know, I need to revisit that show, like I
remember it. Yeah, but I didn't actually like actually like
full stop Disney cartoons was a big blind spot for me,
except for Gargoyles.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
I had interesting I had.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
I watched Gargles and I think it was just one
of those things that like my mom brought me VHS
tapes of Gargoyles and I would watch that. Yeah, and
I would collect the action figures like that was a
stronghold for me since I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
But I did not like I.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Would watch Tailspin, I would watch Dark Wing Duck, but
it never hold like the kind of weight to anything
we were just talking about.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, there there was like it was this like the
spin off of the movies that you would see once
in the theaters and you couldn't get the VHS of
or maybe somebody had a VHS so you're like, oh, okay,
Jungle Book Istele spin or you know, uh, Dark Wing
Duck spin off of Duck, tails and this and this.
Because they had crossover characters all the time in all
these different series. Yeah, I mean mine wouldn't be much different.

(24:06):
The only two that I could probably say are the
many aventures of Winnie the Pooh, which was nineties. Oh brother,
every good life lesson you can learn from Wayne the Pooh.
Very sad, very very Sad Donkey, Rescue Rangers, I guess
was still nineties early nineties. Yeah, so Rescue Rangers and Recess.

(24:27):
Recess was fun. I loved it.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
That one was a late one for me because like
when ABC had that like Saturday Morning thing.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah yeah, yeah, it was one of the channels I
was flipping back and forth and.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
That was that was one I would like when I
discovered that channel, when I would watch it from time
to time, that's when I would watch like Recess and
I would see the Buzz Lightyear one.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah or whatever. Yeah, yeah, where they're not toys yea,
where they're real, it's a real thing. Yeah, they're like,
oh that's the one that they aspire to me. And
you see the intro of them like looking, oh, Buzz,
you're on and let's watch the TV. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
I did love that. And the voice of Buzz I
think was Rick Wahlbert and I'm pretty sure from Family Guy. Yes, yeah, yeah,
which is always weird for me watching Family Guy, Like

(25:07):
it's Buzz and he's crippled, what why is he critic
Buzz to the gardens for the last time. Pick one
animated movie. It's Christmas, you have the day off. You
have a VHS collection, You're gonna pick one VHS animated
movie because that's all you have time for. You don't

(25:27):
have time to watch cartoons.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
So any animated movie or is particularly a show that
became a movie.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
You know what, if you have both, you can get both. Okay.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
I've always said to myself that my favorite like animated
show that like Spun or that had a movie based
on the show. It's either gonna be Mask of the
Phantasm or Beavis and butt Head do America.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Mmmm.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yes, those are like two Like for me, those two
movies are like a perfect distillation of what those shows are.
Like everything I need from those shows are perfectly distilled
in those movies.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Except Mass of the Phantasm doesn't have Robin True, but
it is.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
About Batman and his trauma, and that trauma is it's like,
it's very.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
He got some heavy trauma and it's good. It's good trauma.
He got hopwolking. Yeah, he got hopwoken very hot. And
then the guy who may may or may not have
killed his parents in one scenario and one media verse
all of a sudden causes him to lose his girlfriend
in this one. So no matter what the Joker is
always screwing him over. It's great. I love it. I'm
here for it. Just and like, what does Joker do?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
And looking at like he's about to die, everything's literally
growing up, and what does he do? He just last maniacally.
It's the best Mark Hamill laugh I've ever heard.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
And then not only do you get that, but years
later you get a cameo ys the Phantasm, yes, possibly
causing something similar almost to happen for a whole new Batman. Oh,
I love it. That was such a special movie. It's
so great. I love it. Legitimize her so, I love
Mass of the Phantasms really good.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's literally like one of the best movies I've ever
It's like top ten, one of my all time favorite movies.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
I saw years ago they released in theaters. Me and
my buddy Pugs want to go see it, and it
was so special seeing it again because I remember seeing
it when it was in theaters. Yeah that for seeing
it again. Masca the Phantasm doesn't do it for me
for two reasons. In this cineario where I pick it
beaves a butt head, Yes, America. I saw it in

(27:23):
theaters with my brother and my Surrogate Brother, and it
has lived as one of my favorite animated theatrical movies
of all time, hands down a south Park. I love
south Park, Bigger Batter, und Cut, Yeah, but it's not
Beaves of Buttead to America. And it got better after that movie.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, like I I know a lot
of people do love that South Park movie, but there's
something about that Beavis and butt Head movie that I
was just like, it's just my judge was firing on
all cylinders for that movie.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
It was just and it was an ending for it,
and it was an ending. Yes, south Park was it
kept getting better from there. It was an episode that
they sort of redid already, you know. It was an
episode from the first season that they just sort of
into a movie a future length, which is cool, and
I enjoyed it and they did fun things with it.
H wah, sounds like there's a draft. I can go

(28:09):
over there. I hate card Dogs. I heard you dir
French piece of crap, but mass of the phantasm when
I found out the explanation that it was made for
theaters and then they decided we're going to put it
on TV and direct to VHS and then they decided
we're going to put it back to theaters. Yeah, I
could tell the difference. Yeah, so, and I never had

(28:31):
it on VHS after that, I didn't. I never had
it on VHS or years later I had on DVD.
But I did get a VHS of this animated Batman movie,
and it was special and I absolutely loved it. And
there was something about it that was so dark and
creepy and twisted. And because it was a sequel, and
because I found out later there was a different cut

(28:52):
on DVD that was even darker Batman beyond Return of
the Joker, that's what started it for me. Actually, you
know what, I kind of want to bring this topic
up to you.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Did you ever break up with Batman during that phase
of the late nineties, specifically Batman and Robin.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
No, See, I would never say that I broke up
with Batman ever, because in my mind, Batman has always
been there. Okay, whether it was the sixties Batman to
the movies too, Okay, you were a little bit more ingrained,
like yeah, and even with Batman and Robin, I found
love of the lore from it. There's aspects of it

(29:31):
I don't like, obviously, mister Freeze is so special.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, it's a great move to watch when you're drunk,
Like I have so many great times watching that movie.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
And as much as you could hate what they did
between Batgirl and Batman being the reason why Robin leaves
and all that stuff, and then them having a relationship,
Batman and Robin kind of does it right where it's like, oh,
Robin's outgrowing you, He's becoming that way poison ives here
you have like see and in my mind at that point,

(30:00):
I already had so many different versions of Batman. Yeah,
then I'm like you were able to it's different.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
And it's funny because I think that's to our age too,
because I know you have a few years on me.
I was seven when that movie came out, and the
toys were so cool.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
It's always about the toys, it is.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
And I didn't judge that movie too too harshly, but
I felt like there was something fundamentally wrong, and I
did have a period when I broke up with him.
And to kind of bring it back to our conversation
of what you said earlier, Return of the Joker is
what brought me back to Batman really, because that was
that was a gift for my birthday and I watch

(30:35):
That's how I got introduced to the show. And I
watched that movie and I was like, this is amazing, wow,
And I fell in love with Tera McGinnis.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
I fell in love with the whole thing, and I
went back get that those first three episodes, the rebirth episodes,
and you're like, this is dark in its own way. Yeah,
it's future just dooken.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
It doesn't feel derivative, it doesn't feel like it's treading,
like it's different, and it's it's different.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Enough, Like even the villains that they went back to,
we're a different scenario for them, Like why would you
feel bad for mister Freeze at this point? But you
do right, right, right right, And then you even have
very versions on Clayface with Ink and you're.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Like, this is so different, Like there was a lot
of funny creativities, especially when the older I got like,
you know, just even with like a lot of his
Rogue Gallery or just silver age characters that they just
revamped into modern age, which I was like, Hey, nobody's
doing anything with them, so you might as well, right.
I love the stuff with Melanie Walker like that. Those
are some of my favorite episodes from the Royal Flush Flushing, Yeah,
Like I love that stuff. But even like a character

(31:33):
I'm not big on is like tal y'all goal and
her episode man like that was like one of my
all that favorite. It's so twisted, it is.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
It's so twist sky about how scary Clayface was in
that last moment, the moment that happens. Yea, not only
are you one because it was the early two thousands,
late nineties, early two thousands and to hear that voice
coming out of that body, Yeah, but then when you
realize what happened, yes, and how dar that is to
sacrifice your daughter and then trick the love of her

(32:05):
life into doing this just to body snatch him. Yes,
you're like, what the f is going on? It's a
great episode. Ah, so freaking good. And then we get
to return the Joker. Yeah, with Joker body snatching after
he's traumatized and tortured Robin and he's like, I'm a
body snatch you later in life you're him And it's.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
One of the most insane things I've ever seen in
my life. Like just that, Like I think about that
ten minute flashback sequence and it's just like for me,
it's just like and I don't have that resonance for
like Robin, Like this was before I had like got
into comics or anything like that. It was just more
of just like taking what was presented to me and
just the way that I'm all unfolded where you just
see this kid getting tortured and then like Joker the

(32:48):
way he's just like he just drops the Bruce line
and you just see Batman's look and you're just like eyes.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
And he's just like, yeah, you just like the red
and the Joker's eyes come out even more almost like
a demon like a van.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
That's my favorite, like Bruce tim design for Joker, like
just with the black lipstick and the red eyes, like
the Return of the Joker Justice League. Yeah, and yeah,
it's such a menacing, sinister design. It's so well done.
But yeah, that that sequence alone was just so like
it influenced me.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Which version do you prefer? Do you prefer? Let's call
it the PG and the PG thirteen versions. The PG
version is the one where Tim Drake pushes Joker into
the electricity and he shocks and dies, right. The PG
thirteen is the one where he gets shot. So I
was exposed to the edited version. First the original right same,

(33:37):
and then and then it's like you, I found out
there was an uncut version. I was so used to
the original cut, so there was certain things that just
threw me off. But I don't go back to it nowadays.
I usually go back to the uncut version.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
In terms of death, it's so hard because the the
when he gets pushed in the water thing, it's a
little bit like theatrical, yeah, you know, but then like.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
But there's in the cutaway is so nice. Yeah, I
think it actually works.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
But with him when he gets shy and like and
he says that's not funny, there's something beautifully poetic. Yeah,
So I just I that's a hard question for me.
I really don't know. I like both a lot, but
I gotta go with the poetry. So probably the uncut version.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
I was gonna say, yeah, this is similar. I love
the electricity death and I love the cutaway, but just
that one line that's not funny. And then to see
that play along later when I almost called night Wing,
when Terry McGinnis realizes, oh, he's not used to a
batman that likes to make jokes and talk. All I
do is make jokes and talk great wit I like
to talk to And then he's like, oh wait he

(34:37):
all he's doing is making jokes to amp him up.
So you want to make Batman? Yeah you're not mad?
Oh so great. The tantrum is so great, so beautiful.
I believe that is it on our list of nineties
and two thousands animated out made it through and it
did not a single punch was thrown. Not really. There
was shade, but no punches. Where do you think I

(34:59):
would have take in a few jabs that you at
like legitate jabs? I did you think that we were
gonna be so far apart than you actually realized? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:09):
I did well because I already knew off a bat
about your feelings about gargoyles, but you just turned it into
a joke so I can live. And then I didn't
know about your Superman feelings, but I guess I was
a little surprised too.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
You were like ready to hear that, so I was like, okay,
you're you're living. You're you know, there's a lot of
people that don't like Superman and like as a character
of that show, as a character and the show, they
don't like it, And I just I disagree heavily. As
the show it was leading into what they were gonna
do with Batman in the Justice League, so I could
appreciate those aspects of it. But a lot of people
don't like Superman. I like Superman much as like I

(35:44):
like iron Man. I don't like iron Man movies. I
like Avenger movies with iron Man. I like how he
relates to other characters. I like how he's brought down
to Earth. I like how he tries to humanize a
lot of people, or he thinks he's more of God
than the gods. The arrogant yeah characterization. Sure, Sure, Superman

(36:05):
has a hidden arrogance in him that only creeps out
every once in a while when he goes the Earth
is made of glass and I can't cut loose because
I'm worried I'm going to destroy everything, and it's like
it's like, we get it, little poor boy along. But
at the same time, the arrogance comes when he loses

(36:26):
his powers and then he's like, what do I do? Sure,
and he has to learn from people like Batman, You're
You're still Superman.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
That's where like a lot of my affinity for Superman
came from, because when I got into comics, it's you know,
it started. My first superhero was Batman. But I had
a like a surrogate brother that would like had a
bunch of comic books that he would just lend to me.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
How sweet I did that for Eddie. Yeah right, it's
a beautiful thing about comics. It's just sharing. We would
go to the comic store and he didn't have money
to buy all the stuff, so he would borrow my
comics and then rip them oh you guys reading them,
and then pissed me off horribly. We literally be in
the car. I did not hit him. I did. He
would literally turn the page into a go rip and
he would just smile and be like you sort of
a bitch. Which book was It was a green Lantern.

(37:08):
I'm like, damn it, I was gonna read that. It
was the Kyle Rayner Hal Jordan stuff. It was the
Jeff Johns era, so it had all which it was
right in the middle Secenstral. If I had a hat,
I would have just taken off and just yeah right.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
But anyways, so my my surrogate brother, he was big
on Superman, and so he pitched the Superman to me
of like you gotta look at Batman and Superman is
like brothers and like. And it was around the time
when the Jeff Lowe run was happening with the Batman Superman.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
They were just doing that read.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Us and so he lent me those those back issues
and I was reading that and it just it just
sort of like spiled out to their because then that's
how I sort of got into him, was through Jeff
Lobe stuff with like Superman for All Seasons and all
that stuff. So so Superman does like I have a
big soft spot for him, and then Superman Returns was
coming out. I don't care what anybody says. I very
much enjoyed that movie. But but yeah, and so just
with me, I always feel like that character is so

(37:55):
underserved from a populis standpoint, because just people just don't
understand why he's such a great character.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
And so it's.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Like with with the show, it's just I feel like
there's just there's a lot of great groundwork there where
it's like I gotta I gotta show him some well
I've got it, you know.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah, No, I totally I totally understand that because usually
when people start bagging on Superman, I'm like you haven't
read the right Superman right, or you haven't watched the
right super you don't get it, Like you don't get
it yet. Okay, I know better than you because I
know comics. I am. I am rock and roll, damn it.
I'm out there in the clubs. I'm out there in
the thick of it. Superman's metal. You guys here at

(38:32):
the radio station are not rock and roll. I'm rock
and roll. Shout out to Airheads and Brendan Fraser. It's
one of my favorite movies. I love air Is so good.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
See, this is why we're friends, those little.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Things like that. No, it's true, we got our little moments.
But Superman. If there's ever a book I try to
tell people to read is Yeah. Obviously Jeff Lobe the
Batman Superman stuff, and then not all of Jeff John's
Superman run, but one specific arc sphero Superheroes with Gary

(39:05):
Frank drawing so good with the him stopping the bullet
killing the alien. He's like, I thought you were you
were Superman. You're for us, You're like, you don't. Superman's
for everybody.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Not not to get so dark, but like super I
like one of my biggest associates with Superman is like,
you know there, you know, there's a weird thing with
that with him and dealing with people that are ready
to you know, jump off the ledge like suicide literally right,
And people always talk about that scene with Grant Morrison Run,
which is great.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I I I give it to you.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
But the one I really like because there's another one
and it's with Jane Michael Struzinsky and it's not a
great story. It's the The Grounded Run. I don't know
if you remember that, but there is a suicide scene
in that.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
And that's when he's walking through America trying to figure
out and I think, yeah, and I think it's I
don't remember where the scene takes place, but he he
walks and he meets this girl who's ready to jump
off the ledge.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
And it instead of it just sort of being done
in one and done in a page, it's actually like
a sequence where he's actually like talking to this girl.
And I had a friend that took his life and
it was like fresh off of when this, you know,
when I ran into this scene and it was like
one of the most comforting things because it's like Superman
like has this beautiful moment where he tells this girl like,

(40:21):
if you honestly believe that you will never have another
happy day in your life, I don't approve of it,
but I won't stop you. And then he kind of
lets her make the choice, and it's like that struck
a chord with me because it's just it's just like
when it comes to stuff like that, and it's just
so serious and so like heartbreaking, because it's like, you know,
when I was dealing with my stuff with my friend
when he took his life, and it's just like, and

(40:42):
I would think about that scene just to just deal
with it, cause it's like I in terms of dealing
with my own like pain about that. It's like I
try not to judge my friend too harshly. It's just
like he just did what he felt like he had
to do kind of thing, you know, And it's like
and it's those elements of like that you it only
takes someone as pure and as boy Scout a superman
to do something that heavy and dark to make it.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Like it humanizes him in such a way that most
people could only aspire to be, where they could try
to step into somebody else's shoes and understand what they're
going through, right, or even if they can't, they go,
I don't understand what you're going through exactly. I can
comfort and be around, right, and I don't understand exactly.

(41:22):
Because that's also a problem when people go, oh, I
know what you're going through and it's like, no, you don't.
You could try to understand, you know, in situations could
be similar, but everyone has their own aspect of that.
And a lot of people complained about that arc because
they're like, this isn't super May's not flying around being
you know I lasers and all this stuff in the side, right,
But that's not the point of it. That's not the
aspect of the character. It's being focused on if you

(41:44):
want that. There's other Superman books on the shelf right now,
there's seven Superman series, pick one up. But this one
is dealing with this and it's something special about it.
And that's why I liked his, you know, the least
of Superhero one because it dealt with racism is you know,
phobis and trying to take the image and meaning of
something and twisting it into your own image and using

(42:05):
it for your own means. You're like, but that's not
what the message was right. You're literally taking something that
was made to be pure and aspiring to people and
now you're using it for your hatred. It's Nazi Germany
taking the swastika from you know, a good luck thing
from India. Yeah. Yeah, it's stuff like that, or people
even nowadays, taking interview clips something that somebody says and

(42:29):
twisting it around. Yeah, exactly, and that you offend and
you hurt the opinions of a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
And I need to revisit that arc. It's been a minute,
but I remember loving that.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Arc so freaking good. And that's also another reason why
I try to be more positive here, because even in
with friends out in daily life, yeah, I could take
way more jabs and just be way more condescending. But
at the same time, especially about gargos and a lot
of it's so fabricated. I don't even mean any of it.
I know. It's like, you know, it's like here's what

(43:01):
I can say, and like Crow four is so amazing,
Oh god, it's good.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Fifty minutes in. I'll give you that. And then David
Borionnez is the best human being to ever walk this earth.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
But Big Baddy from down on to So good.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Anyway, God that movie. Oh you were guys, you don't understand.
He was begging me to watch this movie. I hated
it the first time.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
To give context, Diego loves the Crow. It's my favorite movie.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Loves the Crow. I also love The Crow my favorite sequel, however,
because that's a thing. We all have our favorite sequels. Yeah,
I love City of Angels, which he took very a
lot of umbridge with. And because the Crow four is
way better than The Crow four, we would talk about
Wicked Prayer and I'm like, get the f out of here.
I've seen it once. It's horrible, even though I love
the cast. And then he because there was an episode

(43:49):
on The Crow for geekiss so less and check it out.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
I wrote it. It's great. But he's a writer.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Because I'm a writer, and it reinvigorated my love for
the Crow. Anyways, for the thirtieth anniversary, anyways, all promotion
plugins let's go.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
I know.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Anyways, it's it's called cross promoter.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Yes, and we started talking about Crow sequels like this
guy harasses me on my DMS and we're started talking
about it and he's a friends do and he talks
about Wicked Prayer, and I'm like, and then like, I
had this itch to rewatch all the movies, so I
went through them, and I gave Wicked Prayer fair shake,
and I was like, it doesn't get good until the
fifty minute mark, because then it gets goofy and then

(44:24):
it's like that's when the fun stuff starts happening. But
it's a slog the first fifty minutes. That's it's it's
a lot of work to get through to get to
the good stuff. But you still got there. I still
got there.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Still got the crow dance from Danny Trejo. You do,
and you get Dennis Hopper that, yeah, that's true, Denny
a satanic pimp and it's Edward being the crow. See
that that one didn't work for me. That that was
like a big thing for me. Any but anyone could
be the crow because everyone needs the spirit of engines.
I know, I know everybody. Everybody needs to everybody can
be the crow. But you can't. It doesn't It can't

(44:55):
rain all the time. It can't rain. It has to
rain sometime. Did I talk about that. I have a
friend that harasses me. That's just like he deliberately gets
it wrong. You just like I just roll with it now,
just like you can't cry all the time. He's like,
it has to rain sometime.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
So now that's what I say, like because I can't
say that without contact, but like, hopefully now I'm exposing
to all your listeners to saying like it has to
rain sometime.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
I like to like, if if I can have the
most serious version of a movie that's a masterpiece, why
would I not want the satire version to be my
second favorite? If I had to pick between are you
thinking Wicked Prayer? Satire?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
It has satire aspects to it. Okay, the Crow Dance
the Road, I mean that is that satire. I don't
think there's a message in there.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I mean David Terror, Reid Terror.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Okay, crash boom all that's like, okay, that's very punny.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
But like writing, if you go from Don't watch All
in order, go from Crow one to Crow for, you'll
understand what I mean. It's it's the epic ninety seque
that goes, we have this fantastic action, serious movie, but
how can we make this for kids in the end,
By the time we get to the third or fourth one,

(46:10):
and it will still kind of be it you think
Wicked Prayers for kids? You know what I mean? It's
the more direct to DVD oh for oh like the
ac teenagers that are yeah, okay, okay, I get what
you're saying. Yes, okay, RoboCop one, ro Cup two, RoboCop three.
I will watch robo Cop one and RoboCop three. I'll
skip over to you're the direct to DVD guy. Are

(46:33):
you that audience?

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (46:34):
I love direct to DVD. I mean B movies are
some of my favorites. Yeah, I'll give you that. There's
some really gems there. If you were to ask me
my favorite Toxic Avenger movie, it's Toxic Avenger two, not
one number two. Wow, because he goes to Japan, you
know what.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
That's what I tell people about Friday the thirteenth, Like,
I don't like any of those movies except when he
goes somewhere, you know, the Manhattan, when he goes to space,
when he goes to Hell.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
All fun, yes see, And because there's something about it
that takes it out of the scenario, the seriousness that
you're like, I like this version exactly because it does
something completely different exactly that you're not used to. And
you're like hmmm. I like this much like multiverse stuff
where you're like, oh, you know, maybe this version of
Superman doesn't work for everybody, but this version does. Yeah,

(47:17):
or maybe the book didn't work, but this is good
animated movie. I love you do. I do? Wow? I
actually do, because the moment where he kills Zod is
the perfect moment of Superman. Though he is begging him,
He's like, I do not want to kill you. I
am begging you to stop. It's great. I am doing

(47:39):
everything to stop so you don't hurt these these innocent people. Yes,
and I'm doing everything to redeem you so that another
one of our kind lives because you are also a person.
I'm doing that drama to save you, and then I
can't save you anymore. Stap. Yes, it's great. I love it.
It's beautiful. I don't care what you say, Mark Wade.
It's a great moment. It's so good. But then again,

(48:01):
you know, the same people that complain about all this
stuff complain about other moments in comics and movies that
mean something to us. Were like to us, we resonated
with it. Yes, maybe not to those people because they're
purest in their own way. Whatever that means yeah, much
like Star Wars. And I heard this amazing interview clip
and it was with Sam Whitweer. I don't know how Oh, okay, okay,
So Sam whitwer For those that don't know, he is

(48:23):
the voice of Darth Maul in the Clone Wars and Rebels.
He was Star Killer in the Force and Leash video game.
He's the voice of the Sun, all these different things
in Star Wars. He was also Aiden in the Being
human Us sci fi version of the TV show. He's
done a lot of stuff. He was in Smallville, Supergirl,
tons of stuff. Anyways, he is a de facto student

(48:46):
of George Lucas because when he was working on Clone
Wars he was learning from George Lucas. When he was
working on Rebels and Clone Wars, Dave Filoni would teach
him stuff that George Lucas taught him. So I was
listening to this interview he did about Star Wars where
he went to go watch The Phantom Menace. Being a
Star Wars fan his whole life, goes to watch The
Phantom Menace and sees it and goes, hm, that wasn't

(49:08):
the movie I was expecting. But I wonder why he
made those choices, and then later on he would kind
of go, oh, okay, I want to know why he
made those choices. Let me watch it again, and watch
it again, and watch the sequel, the prequel trilogy again
and has always looked at movies kind of that way
ever since Guy went to Juilliard. He's an actor, you know,
he's he's not a writer, producer, but sophistic or an

(49:30):
editor director, you know. But it's very sophisticated and looks
at things. And he ston recognized his game exactly. And man,
what a handsome fellow he is. I bet Sam wit
where if you ever hear this, or if somebody is
a friend with Sam Wier's, tell him. I'm a big fan.
I would love to talk to him about film and
Star Wars Diego, would love to talk to him about
the Crow. Yeah, why because he played a vampire. Vampires

(49:50):
a brooding character and the Crows a brooding character. And
we could talk about the Crow for its go stuff.
Yes exactly? Do you like typo negative? Yes? Do you
like dogs and type of He does like dogs? Oh okay,
and he he actually paints warhammer. Little manbeh will be
into it too. We break Corey, Yes, does he like
baby metal because we have all of this? Or Juggalo?
Whoof woop? Are you okay with juggles? Are you down?

(50:12):
Do you know how magnets are you?

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Are you down with the clown? So you're dead in
the ground. People want to know rainbows? How do they work?

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Are you down with the clown? Brot? I'm not fans
of the music, but I appreciate the passion out of
the jugglos that I know am good enough. Yes, I'll
take it. I appreciate your passion because that's like me
asking are you into baby metal? Are you down with
the fox? God? I don't know what that means, see,
but you can appreciate it, sure, because you have two

(50:40):
people in your world that go ah baby Metal? I
know makes the world so much better. So him explaining
that he looks at films going I expected something different,
but I didn't make the movie. Why did the creator
decide to make this or why did the sequel decide
to go in this path or why they decide to
go with this route? And what did the person watching

(51:01):
get out of it? Maybe I got something, maybe the
person next to me got something different. And he tries
to look at everything with an open set of eyes.
And I feel like I've always done that because every
single version of Batman was different to me. But I'm like, Okay,
they did a different version. Why they do a different version?
Not necessarily anyone is bad. Maybe the portrayal by the actor,

(51:22):
or the cutting by the direction from the director, or
the editing could be bad. Sure, but why they go
in that route? So I have constance.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
It's easier on your mind. Honestly, when you look at
stuff that way.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
I have constantly been trying to look at things that
way my whole life. Right, So to hear that out
of somebody talking about Star Wars and he's so knee
deep in Star Wars, and there's so much critique about
Star Wars, especially nowadays, it was uplifting to hear that
message be put out there because when people go f
Superman f Man of Steel, that's not It's like, but

(51:56):
maybe it's not supposed to be your Superman, right, it's
over there, exist over there, and it's fine, But also
maybe you should go into it with like the thought
of what were they trying to say with this movie?

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Because that's my always, my big thing is just understanding
why you like something, right, because it's it's one thing
when it's sort of superficial when you like something like
you know, for example, I like Star Wars just because
of later swords, you know, but like swords are amazing, right,
But when that's all there is to it, and then
you just you don't really have much of a leg
to stand on, right, like, especially when you're just kind
of defending things, because it just feels a little superficial.
But I feel like when you understand why you care

(52:28):
about something, it adds a whole other layer that kind
of deepens, you know, that love and that satisfaction, and
it's not as fleeting, you know.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
And that's why I can't necessarily hate on too much
anymore like I did for a long time. Oh I
did too. And Kevin Smith's twenties is the worst. Kevin
Smith had a quote recently where somebody was like, well, hey,
why do you give us your opinion on something. He's like,
I don't want to hate on anything anymore. Yeah, He's like,
my life is too short. I almost died. We know,
he almost died, you know. And and he'll even say

(52:57):
that he gets that from people were like, oh, yet
he almost died. But it's like, no, it's true, man,
you almost died. Why are you going to fill your
life being so negative. You can take jabs at friends,
it's fun, obviously, right right, It's one thing teasing, But
to talk about things you love or to at least
hear the reasons why people love something, because the worst
thing that can happen is to say to somebody, I
hate this because it sucks and I think it's stupid.

(53:20):
Because somebody got something out of that and it related
to their life in some way and they took some
kind of message out of it. You're like, man, if
you could take something good out of that and it
could be applied to your life and it can move
you forward, dude, enjoy it for the rest of you.
Just like that. And you know what, just because of that,
I wanted to do something bigger out of this, But

(53:41):
because we've been going this long anyways, I just want
to touch on it very briefly. Diego, here is a jugglo.
We said it a thousand times already. Whoop, whoop. The
one thing that I never understood and our friend Bill
at Hyena never understood it either. Oh, here we go.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Because that conversation, aren't we Yes, yes we are. And
on that note, too bad.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
I'm right out of this place unless you want to
walk four blocks. Oh no you could. A skiddy bastard
is that jugglers are notoriously wrestling fans, and I wasn't
and you weren't, but now you are.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yes, Well I used the term like okay, and maybe
this is a conversation in its own right. I'm not
comfortable saying a fan because I'm just not one as
enthusiastic or two as deep.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
In the lore.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
If you will, you have an appreciation, but I have
an appreciation for it finally because it finally clicked for me,
because it was just one of those things that just
I knew about it. I had friends that were into it.
I knew you were into it and Bill, and it
just I was just like, okay, whatever. But and I
think I've told you the story several times where it's
just it just happened a couple of years ago. I
think it was all in, no all out, It was

(54:53):
an all out pay per view. It was whatever the
cage match was with the Bucks and Lucha.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Yeah, you got invited to watch a rest sleek pay
per view at a movie theater, yes, and.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
My exposure was the Lucher Brothers versus the Young Bucks
in the cage match and being in that crowd and
seeing that ending was like one of the most like
enthralling thing I've ever experienced in my life. And I
fell in love with the Lucher Brothers from there, So
I kind of went down that path. And then I'm
very singular, Like it's hard to kind of try to

(55:24):
keep up with everything, but I do try to actively
watch A and W and like I do pick up
on certain things because of like what I've learned from
you and friends and stuff like that. But like there're
select people I like, like I adore Britt Baker. I've
grown to really appreciate Kenny Omega because I know you've
touted him a lot, so like, yeah, last year I
saw that match with him in Auspray and I'm like,
so wow, yeah, Like so I managed to like open

(55:46):
up my horizons. But it's hard for me to, like,
you know, you understand this being a nerd, but it's
just we have so many things that we like and
to dedicate and it's like to add in another thing
to be into is hard for me. To like balance,
but like, so it's very cat and my brain is
very similar. Because like I had a stack of Arrow DVDs.
I really wanted to watch the Green Arrow show Arrow,

(56:07):
and I couldn't get into Like my brain just will
not allow me to get to that. And for some reason,
I was watching you know, cartoons, and then I started
watching the Ninja Turtle show from the twenty tens, the
CGI one that.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Was nice, oh so good. It is good. I don't
really like that ice cream kittie, but because it was
an amalgamation of all the different lore of Ninja Turtles,
and the animation was good, the voice acting was good
forget the theme song badass. Yes, But because I was
watching these superheroes that were green, I got done and
I went, oh, green superhero Arrow, it's sitting right there.

(56:40):
I'm like, I watched enough superheroists in the Ninja Turtles
that I could watch Arrow now for it and kind
of get into it. So I totally understand the it's
hard for me to get into this. I need the
stepping stones I get there. And the thing that I love, love,
love love what you're saying about singular, and I try
to keep up with it. But I have these people

(57:01):
that I follow. Wrestling can be looked at as a
sport to a degree. You have your favorite team and
follow your favorite players. But I'd like to look at
it more like comic books. You have different comic series,
they could all be under the same umbrellac in Marvel fans.
You have WWEAW and New Japan Impact, all these different
kind of fans, all these different promotions and comic publishers,

(57:23):
but you have your stories of characters. Much like, Hey,
I want to read Batman right now, but maybe not
Detective Comics Batman. I want to read Bamant, or I
want to read Justice League or you know what. This
writer isn't doing it for me right now, so I'm
not going to read it because I don't really like
the story art going on with this wrestler, so I'm
going to kind of avoid it right now. I am

(57:46):
such a big fan of I'm into these wrestlers. I
am following these ones. If they cross over with these
other ones or face these other ones, and I get
into the them because of that great yes, right right,
But I'm not going to overload like I did in
the nineties and early two thousands with I'm watching everything.
I can't there's too much. There's so much wrestling. I

(58:08):
calculated it one day to watch every hour of wrestling
that's on in America, just America, in one week. It
takes a full twenty four hours. Oh yeah, it's that
kind of time, Nor do I and to sit through
commercials and everything else, Like WWE Raw is three hours alone,
a pay per view is eight hours. Yeah yeah, aw
pay per reviews are five hours. You're like, dude, I

(58:28):
don't have the time, and yeah, man, just following specific
characters I can so much appreciate because wrestling is a
melting pot. You have your your Lichidor wrestling, you have
your actually new Japan wrestling, you have your comedy wrestling,
you have hardcore wrestling, and just like you know comic books,

(58:52):
you have your different varies of storytelling. And then there
could just be those moments where you're like, you know,
you asked me if I fell out of love with Batman.
I've always been with Batman, always loved Batman wrestling. Though
I've had my moments where I'm like, I'm done right now,
I'm stepping away. I'll come back to it later. Sure,
it's not falling out of love with it per se.
But it's a you need a break. I got nothing

(59:14):
right now. No, the storylines are clicking with me. I
don't like what you're doing with my wrestlers. Right now.
I'm piecing out. I'll see you later. And that happened
to me when Sampunk had left wrestling years ago, and
then all of a sudden, I meant work and my
buddy Elijah Producer Black, is saying, hey, have you watched
NXT yet? I haven't watched this. What's NXT? And it

(59:36):
was this small studio shot wrestling promotion with all these
people from Ring of Honor and New Japan, always the
Indian wrestlers brought together. It's all the people that are
big now, right, but they're young and they're spry. And
at the same time, over in New Japan they had
this group starting called the Bullet Club, and I see
aj get kicked out of the Bullet Club and he

(59:59):
gets kicked out by the young Bucks and Kenny Omega,
who are like, we're the new leaders, We're in charge,
and then they promote their YouTube series out of that.
My love of wrestling sparked again because I watched there
being the Elite YouTube series and that's literally what did
it for me. So when I heard your Path originally

(01:00:21):
of I went to watch this pay review at this
movie theater. I don't know, my friend's making me go.
I guess I'll just do something to do. It's on
Fathom Events and stuff. And then you tell me how
much you like it. I'm like, oh, this is gonna
be cool. It's my moment. And then but then you
start going to like the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Luca shows, the Lecha shows, yeah, because then they start
having their own like yeah, and then I got introduced
a lot of different people from there and like and
it's just so funny because it's like obviously you you know,
but like it's just so funny how like everyone's low
key into wrestling, Like Jason Siegel was at one of
those shows. Yeah, I met Adam Jones, guitarist of Tool,
which is like one of my all time favorite bands,

(01:00:58):
and it's like and my favorite part. I didn't want
to go up to him because everybody was already starting
to recognize.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
I'm like, oh you hat, H'm Jones from Tool, and he.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Was like right in front of me, and I just
came up and I was like I just started saying
hi to him. But like we just started talking about wrestling.
I never once mentioned tool. We just started We just
started talking about wrestling, and it was like we were
going back and forth, and I was telling him about
my little journey of like being exposed to it, and
he was just talking about how he grew up with
and he's like, oh, I love it because it just
it makes me feel like a kid again. And then
when I asked him for a picture, it was like
the most enthusiastic yeah, I've ever been like yeah that.

(01:01:27):
He was just like, what was your name? And I'm like, oh,
I'm Diego and he's like, oh, I'm ad him. I'm like, oh,
nice to be cha. I was just I felt like, yeah,
I tried him like a person and I got in now,
Like but it was cool, like it it's it's a
really fun, unique experience. And then like even then, like
I I went before she got hurt. We went me
and my buddy that got me into wrestling. We went
to a signing with Britt and Jamie Hayter.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Yeah, I was like right before she got hurt, and
and I met Britt and she was like one of
the nicest celebrity encounters I've ever had. Yeah, she was
very sweet to me, and it was just like just
because it was just the thing, you know, cause there's
some people that are just like you know, they're there
to do the signing and just high and by kind
of thing. But like she was interested in engaging with me,
and I was like I felt back because I barely
knew I was barely getting into it, but I just

(01:02:10):
knew I liked her. And so when I talked to
her for a minute, and she just kind of had
this moment like, well, thank you for showing up, Like
it really means a lot when people like show up
and actually show like enthusiasm and care and like, yeah,
it's the reason like why I'm here to beginning. Like
she just had this like humility to her that made
me go like, oh, oh, I like you, like I
like just really deepen you or I'm like, okay, now
I'm actually like I actually give a shit like about

(01:02:31):
what you're doing, like but not left deep impression on me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Yeah I know, but it's uh, it's been fun seeing this.
So again I've said this message before, whatever you love,
whatever you appreciate, whatever you get out of life, out
of all your fandoms, it doesn't matter what it is one.
Never put a negative connotation on it. Never say I'm
into this dumb thing. I'm into this stupid thing. My
wife has gone mad at me about this. She's like,
it's not dumb, it's not stupid because you like it.
Don't ever call yourself dumber stupid because you're putting a

(01:02:56):
note in your brain that you're thinking negative about yourself.
And when you say it to other people, they will
relay with that, like, oh, yeah, that is a dumb
thing that you're into. It's like, well, no, it's not,
because it means something to me. Right, I'm a fan
of it for some reason. I get something out of it.
So if you're out there in life right now, here's
your positive message. Whatever you love, love it, whatever you appreciate,
appreciate it. It's not dumb or stupid because it means

(01:03:16):
something to you and it makes your life fun and fulfilling,
because without it, what else do we got? Life sucks already? Man. Yeah,
that's the message. I really hope you've enjoyed listening to
this podcast over two episodes. Yeah, and I hope you've
enjoyed spending time with me and my buddy Diego whoop whoop.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
I hope you guys tolerated me uh a lot of JUGGLEO.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
It's not tolerate, it's embraced and enjoyed. Maybe I tolerated
your love of gargoyles. Catch I'm kidding. I'm glad because
when I started doing podcasts a few years ago, the
reason of it was kind of similar to what Kevin
Smith said years ago was if you're gonna hang out
with your friends, just record it and then you have

(01:03:59):
a hist of this happen. You have the conversation of it.
And that was the reason I did it with my
friends for a long time. And it's true. Once a
week I get to do What's New Pod with Menace.
Go to westnewpod dot com. You can find a link
to all the podcast links there to listen. I get
to hang out a bunch of my friends once a week.
It's one of my favorite things. I get to do
a bunch of people used to work with and this podcast.

(01:04:22):
I get to hang out one of my favorite people here.
And you're gonna put friends in quotes and you're like
friend question mark, I was gonna say one of my
close friends. Ah, that's true. I did go to your wedding.
I'm so happy to see you're doing well. I'm happy
for everything you get to do on geek History, lesson
geek History, lesson on Instagram. Yes, we are on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
All socials for Instagram, Twitter threads, and you can find
us on Apple podcasts and Spotify if you guys are
interested in following me. I'm on all the socials under
black Crow five two one because it's the crow. Yeah yeah, see,
he's the only one that catches that reference. I say
that nobody blinks twice.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
By the way, I don't know if you catch this,
but if you take five, subtract too and then add one,
you get four. So it's black Crow four, just like
the Crow four Wicked Prayer. But it's already promoted. But
so now you gotta keep it and we gotta drop.
We gotta drop in the episode. Here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Also, just for a shameless plug, I do also have
a YouTube channel where I do video essays, sort of
like the boardcast, where just sometimes when I have something
I want to talk about, I just I just have
video essays that I want to talk about. So like
I have one devoted to uh like Margot Robbie and
like legitimately not in a creepy way but maybe it is,
but just devoted to her career and just admiring her.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Everyone decided for themselves. You be the judge. It's creepy,
but in an endearing way. Yes, comment on the video
with Helga Pataki, Pataki, Yeahatack get patacky. Just yeah, I
will like it. But if you don't, just leave a nice,
nice comment, put a like on it, because that helps agorith.

(01:05:59):
I do have that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
I have a whole trilogy of videos devoted to the
Zack Snyder trilogy and how contentious they are.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
That's a puck, that's you know what, I won't even say.
That's the podcast for another of time. That's a video
you've already done.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Yeah, go watch it. I have exhaust three video Franks. Yeah,
I have three videos worth, one for each movie that
have came out, and I recently did one this year
for The Crow that was sort of in synergy with
the Geek History lesson, And that's sort of like my
perspective and quite frankly, one of the most vulnerable things
I've ever done, because it's just basically talking about why
it means so much to me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Under Black Crow five two. Isn't it so great when
you can actually talk about things that mean something to
you and actually resonates with other people that actually feel
it means something to them too.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
My best friend, who like has known me for twenty
plus years knows I love The Crow, didn't get it
until he saw my video.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
He saw that video and he just told me. He
was like, I think that's one of the best things
you've ever made. But I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
And then when I because I talk about both the
comic and the movie, and he understood it at least
to some level when he was looking at the art
and the comic and when I was just talking about
it and I go through it, talking about like the
pain that James Obarr went through make creating that book
and all that stuff, and he was just like, I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Get the Crow, and this is this Dude's not goth,
he's not like me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
He's not a mettle head, he's not like woe is
Me type, But like I got him to like understand
that a little bit, so I felt like I accomplished
something with one person.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
It's nice what he can have friends to do both too.
They sometimes hear your explanation, and you hear the validation
of them going, oh I get it, and I understand
your passion for something. And then you also have the
other ones that go, I don't need to hear it, right,
I just see how it resonates. Yes, you see the
person that I am, and right, you're just like, I

(01:07:46):
get it. It's part that makes you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
It's like the same thing with the like. I'm not
saying this as a as a bad thing because I'm
not a big Star Wars fan. I do love the
original trilogy. I appreciate the pequels, but like seeing your
passion in Corey's passion for I'm like, Okay, I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
I get that. I understand that enough. And if that
makes you the person that you are, love you more
for it. Oh. That's how the force works. It finds us,
it penetrates us, It makes the universe move you task
me there you go. Yes, thank you for joining me
this week. Thank you for having me port I love you.

(01:08:22):
Any links you need to go to the podcast dot
com and we will see you sometime. See

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