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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When you need wisdom and advice.
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Seek out a guru when you need wisdom and advice
about remodeling and design. Lock on and listen right now
to Nick the construction Guru. Here is award winning remodeling
expert Nick Kerzner.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
News Talk eleven thirty WISN. Good morning, Wisconsin. It's Nick
the Construction Group. I am overly excited today and know
it's not because of the caffeine. Here in the studio.
I have a good friend of mine, a constant guest.
I'm always excited to have Dean Popedo from Aquatica here,
but I'm more excited than ever because I'm gonna tell
a story later about a water feature that's just been
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put in and I'm very happy with it. If you're
not familiar with Aquatica ponds, I'm gonna let Dean Popito
tell you a little bit about that. Go ahead, pondfather.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hey Nick, glad to be here on this Sunday morning.
And yeah, Aquatica we do all sorts of custom water features, ponds,
you name it, waterfalls, backyard, you know, living areas for
people that really want to enjoy the backyard and outdoor lifestyle.
So it's really something nice when it comes to Aquatica
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and what we can provide homeowners in their landscape.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You know, one of the things I found out this weekend,
and so the listeners know, I actually had I had
Austin come up from He's helped me up north with
a water feature. I have a couple areas up there,
and it really just this is when it really hit home, Dean.
A couple of areas up there that were pretty much useless.
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I mean, by my septic tank is one of them
where the covers are sure, a back area where there's
a hill, a useless hill that did nothing but gather leaves,
then across the front a border for the driveway. And
you know, I started thinking after our shows and looking
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at I'm always looking at your pictures online at Aquaticaponds
dot com. If you're wondering, you can see some of
the beautiful work. He says. I started talking to Austin,
and Austin said, you know what, let's let's try and
work something. We drew things up a couple and I
got to tell you something. The first phase is done
and that hill that was completely useless in a mess
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is now a beautiful, bubbling waterfall. And I think it's
important that people realize if you have those areas in
your yard that are kind of useless, this is a
perfect place for a water feature.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
You want that water feature next to your lifestyle, somewhere
where you're going to hear it, you're going to see it,
you're going to enjoy it. And a lot of people
are searching for that it factor in their backyard, their landscape.
You know, what can I do next? And there's there's
such cool things out there. Now I know I'm going
to be investing in an outdoor sound system where you
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can have these hidden speakers in your in your landscape,
plant beds and things like that. And you could put
these water features any really anywhere in a perennial garden,
next to a deck, next to a patio, on a hillside,
next to a septic, you know wherever, like like here's nick.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So you can take a lost area and you can
make it a focal point exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
And that's the cool thing about it, right. I always
like to say, I say it all the time. It's
the cherry on the Sunday. You can have an awesome landscape,
but if you don't have that elemental water.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
At the cherry. I like the banana. Let's just call
it the banana. On a Sunday, I'm always thinking about
I always giving my Monday. He likes the cherries. I
like the bananas. So I'm with Lid. I like the cherries.
You know it's I was. I got another thought coming,
but I lost it. It'll come back in a little bit.
That happens to you when you get to be my
It's either dirt or yeah, I get it. I get it. Yeah,
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but oh, this is what I was going to say.
And I texted you and you probably remember the text.
Don't worry about me ever getting into water features. I'll
tell you what I never realized the backbreaking work that
it takes to do what you guys do. I'm thinking, Okay,
we got a hill here, We're gonna throw some rocks
on it, put on a liner, and Austin says, oh no,
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we got to terrace this whole thing, and go, what
do you mean? Well? I know what I mean because
I ate a bottle of ad on it next morning,
and then the rocks lived in the rocks And all.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I mean, you guys work hard to do with our
team is amazing. Our people are really is something special
and what we are more than anything as artists. You know,
you have to sculpt that hillside, you have to shape
that that landscape for this water feature. It's certainly not
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just digging a hole and putting a liner in. And
that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Isn't that true with any any kind of art. I mean,
when you look at the finished project, like I'm the
motorcycle thing with the custom paint and all of that,
you look at the finished product and you can say, yeah,
that it looked like it was difficult, but you don't
really realize the steps and the process and what it
really takes to get there. You know, he was he was.
I watched. It was actually aggravating me because I was
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so beat. It was hot, it had been raining, it
was muddy, and that guy's a machine, I mean, just
a working machine. But he's picking up a rock and
he's setting it down. Then he's walking back and look,
I'm going, dude, it's fine, it looks good. He goes, no, no,
we got to make sure that the waterfall's over this way. Yeah,
And then when he turned it on, he said, now, listen,
that's why we move all this stuff because you're creating
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that falling water.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And it's interesting because what these guys know how to do.
They can make a six inch waterfall sound really loud,
or they can make a six foot waterfall sound really soft.
Height doesn't have a lot to do with it. It's
how you manipulate the stone, how you manipulate the air
behind the waterfall. You create kind of a basy chamber
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behind there and create that low, bubbling girl, don't.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Give away any company secrets here.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
No, Well, there's lots of different techniques and ways that
go into making a waterfall sound the way it does.
And you don't need a lot of height. People think,
you know, loud waterfall means a lot of height, don't
you don't. It's all a matter of how you manipulate
those stones and place them, and you know, just kind
of design it. So there's a lot of experience that
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goes into these and that's why you hire Aquatica. That's
why we are the best in the business. We do
these every day. This is all we do is water features,
and we live and breathe them.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
That's what we do. And the work is the work
involved in doing this. I never realized it. I mean
it is, and I have a small water feature. I
don't have a gigantic water feature. So when you do
these really big ones, I can see, I can see
why it takes the methods that it does. Now, we
didn't have the equipment that you guys have on hand,
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and you wouldn't have been able to get in there anyway.
So a lot of this stuff, when you put it
on a lot that and it's in a hidden area,
it is a lot of handwork.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Oh yeah, you know. And just for our audience here,
they they don't have to be big. I mean, we're
on projects that are a month or two long, but
we're also on projects that are a day or two long.
So we we do very small water features and very
large water features and everything in between, anything from bubbling
rocks to big long river systems and waterfall systems.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I was telling me, you're doing a couple of real
big ones right now.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
We do everything across the board. So if you're just
looking for something small, you certainly call us, you know,
And obviously we do everything in between. Coy ponds, water gardens,
if you want a whole new palette of plants, if
you're if you're an avid gardener, if you want a
whole new pallette of plants to play with, get a
water garden, because now you're talking about water plants a
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whole different you know ideas. You know our water plants already, yeah,
very and and they're great. The birds and the dragonflies
love water plants.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
And I would imagine there's not as much maintenance with
them because you're not to have to be out watering
them every day. You just enjoy them.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
It's an awesome hobby, you know, the lotus and the
lilies and different types of water lilies and tropical lilies,
night blooming lilies, iris, arrowhead sedges, rush is sweet flag, pickerel,
you name it. There's tons of cool water plants that.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
U fels like a sushi bar to me. You know,
well you.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Can, you can pluck them and eat them.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
The other thing is I was going to talk to
you about is you don't have to do it all
at once, which is we're doing ours and phases because
of time, not because not really because of budget. And
I have to tell you they're affordable. It is affordable.
Thank you, you know, thanks for bringing that up. Yeah,
it's it's so important because I think when you look
at this. You know, you look at these features, I
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would think that they would be hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
When you're looking at something that's going to be in
your landscape for twenty five years, thirty years, twenty years,
you know, you think about how affordable it really is.
It's not something that is just a flash and a pant.
When you put these in, you're going to enjoy this
for decades.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Well, you know, I see these outdoor paths and you know,
the unilock stuff, which is beautiful. I'm not knocking it
at all. You build these courtyards and these seat walls
and all of that. For what you spend on one
of those, you could do a very elaborate absolute water feature.
And that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I think people would be very surprised at the affordability
of these waterfalls and water features. You know, and most
people aren't going to say, gee, you know, I want
a waterfall in my backyard and think they can actually
afford it. But that's the thing they can.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Would I would advise people if they want to do
something in their backyard, it's going to get a lot
of attention. It's going to liven up an area that
maybe's kind of dad off into the corner, or they
want to create some action around their patio to just
have you guys come out. Don't and not even tell
don't even tell aquatic what you want to do, Just say,
what would you do? I think you're going to get.
You know, there's the bubbling rocks, there's a water pondless waterfalls,
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there's the uh, the water gardens, all kinds of things.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Foy ponds, you name it, bubbling urns and spheres, you know,
the round spheres and all sorts of different things that
you can incorporate, bubbling saxophones that we've done, and bubbling
truck and yeah, we we have trucks you know that
have been incorporated into our waters. If you go out
to Eberts Greenhouse in Axonia that we have they have
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a really neat antique truck there that we put some
cool whiskey barrels off the back of that are falling
water into a potless waterfall and people like to take
pictures by it. So and Eberts has a lot of
eye candy out there, wonderful people, wonderful staff, and you know,
they really they really have a lot of cool water features.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
That we built. You know why I'm laughing as you
say this, because one of the things I always tell
people is like, it's like tattoos. Okay, you get one tattoo,
You're going to add on and add on and add on,
and then all of a sudden, next thing, you know,
you look like me. Right, It's the same thing with
the water feature. I'm already thinking about I got this
center area where it would be cool to have one
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of the trucks doing that. And that's what people do.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
They they really get inspired, I guess you call it
when they get one and they really see kind of
the magic it brings to their life.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
They want more, They want more, they want more. Yeah,
we'll talk about this after break. We're gonna take a
short break and when we come back. What I want
to talk to you about in the next segment here
is a little bit is what do you think it
is that's flaring up and people that make them want
to and then what is the what is it? How
many jobs have you done where you've added on? Start
thinking about that for the next segment. Okay, because I
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know I'm experiencing this myself, so you got it, all right?
News Talk eleven thirty to BIS and we will return
after these messages. Newstalk eleven thirty WSN returning from break.
It's Nick the construction Gruless. And if you're thinking about
a remodeling project, God, I say it every show, and
I say it the same way. It's like ingrained in
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my mind. I always say you should get a few opinions.
Make one of those ours. We'd love to come out
and talk to you about a remodeling project. Big or small,
we'll do We'll actually do small jobs too. I know
that a lot of contractors right now, because of the environment,
aren't willing to do that. But we're happy to come
out and talk to you about She's just a storm door.
It doesn't matter, you know, once you have a customer,
you having for life.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
You did you did some small jobs for me. You
put in some wonderful windows at our office. They really
look good too, they look awesome. Yeah, the patio door,
you know. And we didn't do it all at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
No, no, no, it's expensive. Yeah, no two worte about it.
Everything's expensive today. So but you you always put the
best in. That's just the way you like me put
do it. Once and do it. We're gonna do it.
We're gonna do it right. Yeah, if you're just tuning in,
I have Dean Popedo, the pond Father from Aquatica ponds
dot com. If you've ever listened to the show, I'm
sure you've heard Dean. Arguably the biggest noise in the
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water feature business. I I'm amazed at every time I
see what you guys do. It's amazing. And now I
have just added my fourth water feature.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah that's that. And honestly, we have customers. I love
our customers or wonderful people. We get to be friends
and they really come back for different things and they're
adding on things and they're getting new fish, or they're
adding plants, or they're adding a whole new water feature.
And it is it does become a hobby. It is
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really kind of a neat lifestyle that way.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Well, and it's it's there's something about movement. And you know,
we haven't we haven't brought this up lately. But the
other thing is is you guys do the lighting on
the water features. So at night you have this beautiful, yeah,
beautiful water feature.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
They take on a whole different life night and it
looks like a like a shimmering campfire under a tree.
It's really cool, isn't that neat? You know, it's just
kind of kind of neat that way because the reflections
and everything of those warm glowing lights, and yeah, water
features are cool during the day or night.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I think the other thing that because I haven't I
didn't you know, obviously in the winter, I don't have
my rocks on, but I've turned my rocks on over
one of the rocks that I recently put in. It's
the movement. There's something about the even from a distance,
the movement creates a whole different dynamic. Most of the
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things that you put in your yard, statues, you know, flowers,
they're static. Unless the wind blows, nothing's moving. The cool
thing about a water feature is it's always performing and
it's always dancing different.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
All I have, you know, this is what I do
for a living. And you know what I have at
my front door. I have the smallest little bubbling rock.
So when you walk up to my front door, it's
this bubbling kind of dished out rock, and it sounds wonderful,
it looks great, the birds love it, and it's just
something nice and welcoming as you come up to your
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front door. We have a massive selection of bubbling rocks
at our store right now. Oh we've been drilling all
season long, you know. Anytime the guys have a rain
day or something, I have them drill drilling, drilling rocks.
And we have this beautiful selection of bubbling rocks right now.
At the Aquatica Pond shop in Wales, you also.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Have at least last time I was there, I don't,
I know, the inventory goes down quick, but you have
some of the best drift wood. Yeah, we do, you know,
which it just adds to the to the whole. It's
an accent, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
It's again you're using artwork for Mother Nature, let's say,
and to accent something in your garden. So we have
wonderful driftwood, wonderful bubbling rocks, and obviously our team installs
all sorts of different types of water features and waterfalls
and coy ponds and things like that in landscapes.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Well as part of you know, I always pose what
we're you know, our podcast on Facebook on Cursioner's Cursioner
Remodeling and Constructions Facebook. We're going to put I took
some videos of the first phase of the waterfloats great,
by the way, Yeah, it really does. And I'm going
to put that on there, and I'm going to kind
of show the progression as we go. Yeah, because it's it's.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Very cool and trends right now, trends in the industry,
in our little industry is remodeling older features very popular
right now. You take a tired older water feature twenty
years old, thirty years old, and we can breathe new
life into that whole feature. We can reuse a lot
of the same stone and really kind of give it
a whole new look or feel.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
It's kind of you know, it's like seeing an abandoned mansion. Yeah, okay,
it's kind of sad when you see a water feature
that's tired and now has become just hasn't been maintained,
probably wasn't done right in the first place. And you know,
most people want to just want to get it out
of their yard and they're waiting for a weekend where
they're motivated to do that. Would I would definitely I
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know someone right now who has one of these, I
would definitely say, before you dig that out and throw
all of that away, have aquatica come out, because you
guys more than breathe new life into it. You can
take something, you know, you can take an old rusty
car and make it into a really cool hot rod,
and that's kind of what you guys do with water feature.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
That's a big thing right now. People are really remodeling
and refreshing a lot of these older water features. The
other big thing is they're taking an old coy pond
and let's say they don't want to pond anymore. They're
turning that pond into a pondless system. So they still
have a really nice water feature, waterfall and stream things
like that, but no pond.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
And it's a money saver to because you're using some
of the same stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
You're using the same footprint. Basically, the hole in the
ground is still there, you know, the pond is still there,
but we create this underground reservoir and that's the you know,
the bottom of this pondless waterfall system. So it's just
a retro fit and people are really loving them because
they're a lot less maintenance and they're still giving them
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that enjoyment, you know, and things like that. You have
a podless waterfall, that's.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
What you have, you know, you know, I'm laughing again
because I'm thinking of my buddy. He's got a place
in Colorado. Beautiful place, but it's it's remote and it's
on the mountain. And when it was built there was
a stream that runs under it, a natural stream, and
when you walk in, what they did was they put
all plastic flooring in so when you walk in you
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can see this stream under your carries out into the deck.
And the reason I'm laughing is I as I was
looking at the waterfall that we just did, I said, boy,
it would have been cool if we if we would
have ran this under the deck and then put clear
and Lin looked at me and said, don't even get started.
Don't even start, you know. But that's that's part of
the sickness of water features. Man. You start thinking and
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you say, you say that. You know, I said to Awesome,
what do you think this could be done? He goes,
you can do anything. Yeah, it's just a matter of
planning it out and doing it.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
You're taking a pile of rocks, literally, you're taking a
pile of rock and creating a piece of artwork out
of it.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
That's the cool part is you're taking natural things like
driftwood like stone, and you're making something artistic out of
it that's going to be there for years and years
and enjoyment. And that's what we do, you know at
our shop. Come on in and get a dream book
from us. We give away our our dream books. That
thing's got to be fifteen bucks. I mean I live
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them away. Yeah, it's I mean, that's really good photography. Yeah,
you know, come on into the Aquatica shop and.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
It could be a coffee table book. Actually, sure of course.
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
So we were located in Wales, Wisconsin. We're little town
of Whales, right off of eighty three and eighteen.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
And you have a ton of water features both outside
and inside, a bunch of stuf.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
And we have some displays there and just come and
talk to us about, you know, the possibilities. It's a
it's a great place to start, right in our showroom
at Aquatica. Otherwise we do come out and visit right
on site. We have appointments every day. We're going out
to people's homes and looking around and helping them decide
where to put these.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah. I was just you just took the work. You
guys have an uncannedy uncanny ability to be able to
put a water feature. And I bring this up because
if you walk into the Aquatica showroom and you look
out the back patio door, there's a waterfall there, and
it's like you built the building around a natural water scape.
It's so cool because it looks That's the other thing
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I was going to say, you know, with with Aquatica,
you guys understand, like I had some ideas to put
rocks in certain places, and Austin will look at me
and go, that's not going to look natural. That's not
going to look right, you know, And and you got
to realize that the real waterfalls, these rocks have been
moved over the years by the water. Ye different things.
It's you know, he kept telling me water is going
to take the path of least resistance, so when we
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put a rock here, it's going to create a yea.
And I got like the Z thing where the water
goes down. It's really cool and you take that for
granted when you look at it, but it's all planned out.
I watched him work and he's like he walked back
and look and then he would you know, and I
know he was. The other thing was he was he
wanted you. You know, you're the guy. He wanted to
impress you with his with his work too. Well he
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did great.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Our team is great, and you know, and not everybody
has the eye, no, you know, that's the thing is.
It's artistic, so you either have it or you don't.
And we do a lot of training. We do a
lot of inspirational trips and things like that, looking at
different water features and making sure that we really hone
our craft or a twenty fifth year in business and
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our team, most of the people have been with us
for many years, five, ten, twenty years.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I would love to come and work for you guys.
It's just I'd end up in a higher income tax
bracket and I don't want to pay the extra taxes.
So you know, it's just so pondless waterfalls basically waterfall
falling into what looks like a base of rock, but
there's a reservoir underneath. So you don't have the open water.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
You don't have the open water, you don't have the maintenance.
It's a lot less maintenance than let's say, a reflection.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
You can walk over it too.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Just very safe, very safe for children and things like that.
But a lot of times people put these in areas
where they don't want a big pond at the bottom,
they don't want the fish and they but they want
some sort of water element in their landscape.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
They want to be able to turn it on and off. Yeah,
that's that's what we have because we're not up there
all the time.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Well, there's even people want to. Another trend is a
dipping pond or something where they want to dangle their
feet in the water. They they want to they want
to dip. So what they're doing is, you know, they're
they're coming home from work and maybe they're sitting on
the edge of the pond reading a book or or
you know, hanging out with their grandchild something like that.
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You know, that's that's really what these kind of bring
to a to a backyard.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
We kind of tied ours in with a fire pit,
and you know, you have we have a small lake
on one side and then the cabin on the other
with the waterfall. And it's funny, as you're saying this again,
I realized that the chairs were turned to look away
from the water filled up and you know, you don't
even realize you're doing it, but it's like it's it's
cool yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, that's because they're I know it sounds goofy, but
they're living, they're breathing, they're they're interactive, you know, they
are you know, you're looking at eye candy, you're looking
at something that's actually moving.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Are Are you brought up outdoor music before? Is that
something you're getting into now?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I'm I am personally. I'm doing it at my home.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I want to. I want to.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I love outdoor music, and I think you.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Know the one with the subworber that you bury it.
I didn't get it yet. I didn't get it yet.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
One of my buddies at the home show had a
display Mike and Doug from Exteriors a limit.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I remember, you know, they had this awesome sound system
out there, and I thought I got to have that.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
And so when you you know, it's all those things
that people they're spending so much more time outside, you know,
or even if you're.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
You know what, who wants to drag a boombox out
or blue we were dragging Bluetooth speakers out and then
they go, you know, right around the time you're just
starting to have fun. Also in the battery goes Dad.
I just I had one put in from Kevin over
at World Class Life. Kevin.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Absolutely great guy, great guy.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, I did did a great job for us, Dean
give out your information. And you guys are still I
know you are, but I'm just I just want to
let people know you're still going out and still drawing.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Still we're still taking bookings for this year.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
We want to still get a big water feature in
this year.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, we want to meet with you.
We want to talk with you. There's there's no strings attached,
just kind of get you educated on what we can
do for you here at Aquatica. My number four one
four five two zero pond four one four five two
zero seven six six three. We're located in Wales. Aquatica
(24:45):
Ponds dot Com is our website. And I also wanted
to give a plug to the Wildlife and Need Center
out of Summit. There's a lot of animals running around
right now, a lot of turtles, different different things. Any
injured wildlife that you come across, you know, the Wildlife
and Need Center, maybe they can help you out. Obviously,
watch out for the turtles crossing the street right I
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got a soft spot for the Turtles.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I have a customer that volunteers there, and I brought
you up and they do know who you are because
they're so active in it. Yeah, she didn't want me
to say her name, but that's fine. I get it.
But yeah, I said Dean over at a watch Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Used to be on the board and yeah, you know.
But they're a great organization. But I always like to say,
watch out for the turtles, all of them. Yeah, no,
I get it, Dean. Thanks for coming on spending some
time with the Guru. I look forward you'll be here again.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Oh yeah. We do three four shows a year, always
a little bit, always get positive feedback. If you want
to see what's going on in a water feature out
at my place, it will be on Facebook at Kurzoner
Kurzner's Facebook page and you can check it out. There
will also be the podcast of this particular show on there.
Thanks Nick, Thank you, Dean. All Right, News Talk eleven
(25:51):
thirty WISN. We will return again next week.
When you need wisdom and advice.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Seek out a guru when you need wisdom and advice
about remodeling and design. Lock on and listen right now
to Nick the construction Guru. Here is award winning remodeling
expert Nick Kerzner.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
News Talk eleven thirty WISN. Good morning, Wisconsin. It's Nick
the Construction Group. I am overly excited today and know
it's not because of the caffeine. Here in the studio.
I have a good friend of mine, a constant guest.
I'm always excited to have Dean Popedo from Aquatica here,
but I'm more excited than ever because I'm gonna tell
a story later about a water feature that's just been
(00:44):
put in and I'm very happy with it. If you're
not familiar with Aquatica ponds, I'm gonna let Dean Popito
tell you a little bit about that. Go ahead, pondfather.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hey Nick, glad to be here on this Sunday morning.
And yeah, Aquatica we do all sorts of custom water features, ponds,
you name it, waterfalls, backyard, you know, living areas for
people that really want to enjoy the backyard and outdoor lifestyle.
So it's really something nice when it comes to Aquatica
(01:15):
and what we can provide homeowners in their landscape.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You know, one of the things I found out this weekend,
and so the listeners know, I actually had I had
Austin come up from He's helped me up north with
a water feature. I have a couple areas up there,
and it really just this is when it really hit home, Dean.
A couple of areas up there that were pretty much useless.
(01:41):
I mean, by my septic tank is one of them
where the covers are sure, a back area where there's
a hill, a useless hill that did nothing but gather leaves,
then across the front a border for the driveway. And
you know, I started thinking after our shows and looking
(02:02):
at I'm always looking at your pictures online at Aquaticaponds
dot com. If you're wondering, you can see some of
the beautiful work. He says. I started talking to Austin,
and Austin said, you know what, let's let's try and
work something. We drew things up a couple and I
got to tell you something. The first phase is done
and that hill that was completely useless in a mess
(02:22):
is now a beautiful, bubbling waterfall. And I think it's
important that people realize if you have those areas in
your yard that are kind of useless, this is a
perfect place for a water feature.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
You want that water feature next to your lifestyle, somewhere
where you're going to hear it, you're going to see it,
you're going to enjoy it. And a lot of people
are searching for that it factor in their backyard, their landscape.
You know, what can I do next? And there's there's
such cool things out there. Now I know I'm going
to be investing in an outdoor sound system where you
(02:55):
can have these hidden speakers in your in your landscape,
plant beds and things like that. And you could put
these water features any really anywhere in a perennial garden,
next to a deck, next to a patio, on a hillside,
next to a septic, you know wherever, like like here's nick.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So you can take a lost area and you can
make it a focal point exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
And that's the cool thing about it, right. I always
like to say, I say it all the time. It's
the cherry on the Sunday. You can have an awesome landscape,
but if you don't have that elemental water.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
At the cherry. I like the banana. Let's just call
it the banana. On a Sunday, I'm always thinking about
I always giving my Monday. He likes the cherries. I
like the bananas. So I'm with Lid. I like the cherries.
You know it's I was. I got another thought coming,
but I lost it. It'll come back in a little bit.
That happens to you when you get to be my
It's either dirt or yeah, I get it. I get it. Yeah,
(03:49):
but oh, this is what I was going to say.
And I texted you and you probably remember the text.
Don't worry about me ever getting into water features. I'll
tell you what I never realized the backbreaking work that
it takes to do what you guys do. I'm thinking, Okay,
we got a hill here, We're gonna throw some rocks
on it, put on a liner, and Austin says, oh no,
(04:10):
we got to terrace this whole thing, and go, what
do you mean? Well? I know what I mean because
I ate a bottle of ad on it next morning,
and then the rocks lived in the rocks And all.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I mean, you guys work hard to do with our
team is amazing. Our people are really is something special
and what we are more than anything as artists. You know,
you have to sculpt that hillside, you have to shape
that that landscape for this water feature. It's certainly not
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just digging a hole and putting a liner in. And
that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Isn't that true with any any kind of art. I mean,
when you look at the finished project, like I'm the
motorcycle thing with the custom paint and all of that,
you look at the finished product and you can say, yeah,
that it looked like it was difficult, but you don't
really realize the steps and the process and what it
really takes to get there. You know, he was he was.
I watched. It was actually aggravating me because I was
(05:03):
so beat. It was hot, it had been raining, it
was muddy, and that guy's a machine, I mean, just
a working machine. But he's picking up a rock and
he's setting it down. Then he's walking back and look,
I'm going, dude, it's fine, it looks good. He goes, no, no,
we got to make sure that the waterfall's over this way. Yeah,
And then when he turned it on, he said, now, listen,
that's why we move all this stuff because you're creating
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that falling water.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And it's interesting because what these guys know how to do.
They can make a six inch waterfall sound really loud,
or they can make a six foot waterfall sound really soft.
Height doesn't have a lot to do with it. It's
how you manipulate the stone, how you manipulate the air
behind the waterfall. You create kind of a basy chamber
(05:49):
behind there and create that low, bubbling girl, don't.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Give away any company secrets here.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
No, Well, there's lots of different techniques and ways that
go into making a waterfall sound the way it does.
And you don't need a lot of height. People think,
you know, loud waterfall means a lot of height, don't
you don't. It's all a matter of how you manipulate
those stones and place them, and you know, just kind
of design it. So there's a lot of experience that
(06:16):
goes into these and that's why you hire Aquatica. That's
why we are the best in the business. We do
these every day. This is all we do is water features,
and we live and breathe them.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
That's what we do. And the work is the work
involved in doing this. I never realized it. I mean
it is, and I have a small water feature. I
don't have a gigantic water feature. So when you do
these really big ones, I can see, I can see
why it takes the methods that it does. Now, we
didn't have the equipment that you guys have on hand,
(06:50):
and you wouldn't have been able to get in there anyway.
So a lot of this stuff, when you put it
on a lot that and it's in a hidden area,
it is a lot of handwork.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Oh yeah, you know. And just for our audience here,
they they don't have to be big. I mean, we're
on projects that are a month or two long, but
we're also on projects that are a day or two long.
So we we do very small water features and very
large water features and everything in between, anything from bubbling
rocks to big long river systems and waterfall systems.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I was telling me, you're doing a couple of real
big ones right now.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
We do everything across the board. So if you're just
looking for something small, you certainly call us, you know,
And obviously we do everything in between. Coy ponds, water gardens,
if you want a whole new palette of plants, if
you're if you're an avid gardener, if you want a
whole new pallette of plants to play with, get a
water garden, because now you're talking about water plants a
(07:48):
whole different you know ideas. You know our water plants already, yeah,
very and and they're great. The birds and the dragonflies
love water plants.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
And I would imagine there's not as much maintenance with
them because you're not to have to be out watering
them every day. You just enjoy them.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
It's an awesome hobby, you know, the lotus and the
lilies and different types of water lilies and tropical lilies,
night blooming lilies, iris, arrowhead sedges, rush is sweet flag, pickerel,
you name it. There's tons of cool water plants that.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
U fels like a sushi bar to me. You know,
well you.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Can, you can pluck them and eat them.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
The other thing is I was going to talk to
you about is you don't have to do it all
at once, which is we're doing ours and phases because
of time, not because not really because of budget. And
I have to tell you they're affordable. It is affordable.
Thank you, you know, thanks for bringing that up. Yeah,
it's it's so important because I think when you look
at this. You know, you look at these features, I
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would think that they would be hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
When you're looking at something that's going to be in
your landscape for twenty five years, thirty years, twenty years,
you know, you think about how affordable it really is.
It's not something that is just a flash and a pant.
When you put these in, you're going to enjoy this
for decades.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Well, you know, I see these outdoor paths and you know,
the unilock stuff, which is beautiful. I'm not knocking it
at all. You build these courtyards and these seat walls
and all of that. For what you spend on one
of those, you could do a very elaborate absolute water feature.
And that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I think people would be very surprised at the affordability
of these waterfalls and water features. You know, and most
people aren't going to say, gee, you know, I want
a waterfall in my backyard and think they can actually
afford it. But that's the thing they can.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Would I would advise people if they want to do
something in their backyard, it's going to get a lot
of attention. It's going to liven up an area that
maybe's kind of dad off into the corner, or they
want to create some action around their patio to just
have you guys come out. Don't and not even tell
don't even tell aquatic what you want to do, Just say,
what would you do? I think you're going to get.
You know, there's the bubbling rocks, there's a water pondless waterfalls,
(10:10):
there's the uh, the water gardens, all kinds of things.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Foy ponds, you name it, bubbling urns and spheres, you know,
the round spheres and all sorts of different things that
you can incorporate, bubbling saxophones that we've done, and bubbling
truck and yeah, we we have trucks you know that
have been incorporated into our waters. If you go out
to Eberts Greenhouse in Axonia that we have they have
(10:39):
a really neat antique truck there that we put some
cool whiskey barrels off the back of that are falling
water into a potless waterfall and people like to take
pictures by it. So and Eberts has a lot of
eye candy out there, wonderful people, wonderful staff, and you know,
they really they really have a lot of cool water features.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
That we built. You know why I'm laughing as you
say this, because one of the things I always tell
people is like, it's like tattoos. Okay, you get one tattoo,
You're going to add on and add on and add on,
and then all of a sudden, next thing, you know,
you look like me. Right, It's the same thing with
the water feature. I'm already thinking about I got this
center area where it would be cool to have one
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of the trucks doing that. And that's what people do.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
They they really get inspired, I guess you call it
when they get one and they really see kind of
the magic it brings to their life.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
They want more, They want more, they want more. Yeah,
we'll talk about this after break. We're gonna take a
short break and when we come back. What I want
to talk to you about in the next segment here
is a little bit is what do you think it
is that's flaring up and people that make them want
to and then what is the what is it? How
many jobs have you done where you've added on? Start
thinking about that for the next segment. Okay, because I
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know I'm experiencing this myself, so you got it, all right?
News Talk eleven thirty to BIS and we will return
after these messages. Newstalk eleven thirty WSN returning from break.
It's Nick the construction Gruless. And if you're thinking about
a remodeling project, God, I say it every show, and
I say it the same way. It's like ingrained in
(12:14):
my mind. I always say you should get a few opinions.
Make one of those ours. We'd love to come out
and talk to you about a remodeling project. Big or small,
we'll do We'll actually do small jobs too. I know
that a lot of contractors right now, because of the environment,
aren't willing to do that. But we're happy to come
out and talk to you about She's just a storm door.
It doesn't matter, you know, once you have a customer,
you having for life.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
You did you did some small jobs for me. You
put in some wonderful windows at our office. They really
look good too, they look awesome. Yeah, the patio door,
you know. And we didn't do it all at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
No, no, no, it's expensive. Yeah, no two worte about it.
Everything's expensive today. So but you you always put the
best in. That's just the way you like me put
do it. Once and do it. We're gonna do it.
We're gonna do it right. Yeah, if you're just tuning in,
I have Dean Popedo, the pond Father from Aquatica ponds
dot com. If you've ever listened to the show, I'm
sure you've heard Dean. Arguably the biggest noise in the
(13:08):
water feature business. I I'm amazed at every time I
see what you guys do. It's amazing. And now I
have just added my fourth water feature.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah that's that. And honestly, we have customers. I love
our customers or wonderful people. We get to be friends
and they really come back for different things and they're
adding on things and they're getting new fish, or they're
adding plants, or they're adding a whole new water feature.
And it is it does become a hobby. It is
(13:42):
really kind of a neat lifestyle that way.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Well, and it's it's there's something about movement. And you know,
we haven't we haven't brought this up lately. But the
other thing is is you guys do the lighting on
the water features. So at night you have this beautiful, yeah,
beautiful water feature.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
They take on a whole different life night and it
looks like a like a shimmering campfire under a tree.
It's really cool, isn't that neat? You know, it's just
kind of kind of neat that way because the reflections
and everything of those warm glowing lights, and yeah, water
features are cool during the day or night.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I think the other thing that because I haven't I
didn't you know, obviously in the winter, I don't have
my rocks on, but I've turned my rocks on over
one of the rocks that I recently put in. It's
the movement. There's something about the even from a distance,
the movement creates a whole different dynamic. Most of the
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things that you put in your yard, statues, you know, flowers,
they're static. Unless the wind blows, nothing's moving. The cool
thing about a water feature is it's always performing and
it's always dancing different.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
All I have, you know, this is what I do
for a living. And you know what I have at
my front door. I have the smallest little bubbling rock.
So when you walk up to my front door, it's
this bubbling kind of dished out rock, and it sounds wonderful,
it looks great, the birds love it, and it's just
something nice and welcoming as you come up to your
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front door. We have a massive selection of bubbling rocks
at our store right now. Oh we've been drilling all
season long, you know. Anytime the guys have a rain
day or something, I have them drill drilling, drilling rocks.
And we have this beautiful selection of bubbling rocks right now.
At the Aquatica Pond shop in Wales, you also.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Have at least last time I was there, I don't,
I know, the inventory goes down quick, but you have
some of the best drift wood. Yeah, we do, you know,
which it just adds to the to the whole. It's
an accent, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
It's again you're using artwork for Mother Nature, let's say,
and to accent something in your garden. So we have
wonderful driftwood, wonderful bubbling rocks, and obviously our team installs
all sorts of different types of water features and waterfalls
and coy ponds and things like that in landscapes.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Well as part of you know, I always pose what
we're you know, our podcast on Facebook on Cursioner's Cursioner
Remodeling and Constructions Facebook. We're going to put I took
some videos of the first phase of the waterfloats great,
by the way, Yeah, it really does. And I'm going
to put that on there, and I'm going to kind
of show the progression as we go. Yeah, because it's it's.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Very cool and trends right now, trends in the industry,
in our little industry is remodeling older features very popular
right now. You take a tired older water feature twenty
years old, thirty years old, and we can breathe new
life into that whole feature. We can reuse a lot
of the same stone and really kind of give it
a whole new look or feel.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
It's kind of you know, it's like seeing an abandoned mansion. Yeah, okay,
it's kind of sad when you see a water feature
that's tired and now has become just hasn't been maintained,
probably wasn't done right in the first place. And you know,
most people want to just want to get it out
of their yard and they're waiting for a weekend where
they're motivated to do that. Would I would definitely I
(17:01):
know someone right now who has one of these, I
would definitely say, before you dig that out and throw
all of that away, have aquatica come out, because you
guys more than breathe new life into it. You can
take something, you know, you can take an old rusty
car and make it into a really cool hot rod,
and that's kind of what you guys do with water feature.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
That's a big thing right now. People are really remodeling
and refreshing a lot of these older water features. The
other big thing is they're taking an old coy pond
and let's say they don't want to pond anymore. They're
turning that pond into a pondless system. So they still
have a really nice water feature, waterfall and stream things
like that, but no pond.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
And it's a money saver to because you're using some
of the same stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
You're using the same footprint. Basically, the hole in the
ground is still there, you know, the pond is still there,
but we create this underground reservoir and that's the you know,
the bottom of this pondless waterfall system. So it's just
a retro fit and people are really loving them because
they're a lot less maintenance and they're still giving them
(18:04):
that enjoyment, you know, and things like that. You have
a podless waterfall, that's.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
What you have, you know, you know, I'm laughing again
because I'm thinking of my buddy. He's got a place
in Colorado. Beautiful place, but it's it's remote and it's
on the mountain. And when it was built there was
a stream that runs under it, a natural stream, and
when you walk in, what they did was they put
all plastic flooring in so when you walk in you
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can see this stream under your carries out into the deck.
And the reason I'm laughing is I as I was
looking at the waterfall that we just did, I said, boy,
it would have been cool if we if we would
have ran this under the deck and then put clear
and Lin looked at me and said, don't even get started.
Don't even start, you know. But that's that's part of
the sickness of water features. Man. You start thinking and
(18:49):
you say, you say that. You know, I said to Awesome,
what do you think this could be done? He goes,
you can do anything. Yeah, it's just a matter of
planning it out and doing it.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
You're taking a pile of rocks, literally, you're taking a
pile of rock and creating a piece of artwork out
of it.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
That's the cool part is you're taking natural things like
driftwood like stone, and you're making something artistic out of
it that's going to be there for years and years
and enjoyment. And that's what we do, you know at
our shop. Come on in and get a dream book
from us. We give away our our dream books. That
thing's got to be fifteen bucks. I mean I live
(19:24):
them away. Yeah, it's I mean, that's really good photography. Yeah,
you know, come on into the Aquatica shop and.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
It could be a coffee table book. Actually, sure of course.
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
So we were located in Wales, Wisconsin. We're little town
of Whales, right off of eighty three and eighteen.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
And you have a ton of water features both outside
and inside, a bunch of stuf.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
And we have some displays there and just come and
talk to us about, you know, the possibilities. It's a
it's a great place to start, right in our showroom
at Aquatica. Otherwise we do come out and visit right
on site. We have appointments every day. We're going out
to people's homes and looking around and helping them decide
where to put these.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah. I was just you just took the work. You
guys have an uncannedy uncanny ability to be able to
put a water feature. And I bring this up because
if you walk into the Aquatica showroom and you look
out the back patio door, there's a waterfall there, and
it's like you built the building around a natural water scape.
It's so cool because it looks That's the other thing
(20:26):
I was going to say, you know, with with Aquatica,
you guys understand, like I had some ideas to put
rocks in certain places, and Austin will look at me
and go, that's not going to look natural. That's not
going to look right, you know, And and you got
to realize that the real waterfalls, these rocks have been
moved over the years by the water. Ye different things.
It's you know, he kept telling me water is going
to take the path of least resistance, so when we
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put a rock here, it's going to create a yea.
And I got like the Z thing where the water
goes down. It's really cool and you take that for
granted when you look at it, but it's all planned out.
I watched him work and he's like he walked back
and look and then he would you know, and I
know he was. The other thing was he was he
wanted you. You know, you're the guy. He wanted to
impress you with his with his work too. Well he
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did great.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Our team is great, and you know, and not everybody
has the eye, no, you know, that's the thing is.
It's artistic, so you either have it or you don't.
And we do a lot of training. We do a
lot of inspirational trips and things like that, looking at
different water features and making sure that we really hone
our craft or a twenty fifth year in business and
(21:31):
our team, most of the people have been with us
for many years, five, ten, twenty years.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I would love to come and work for you guys.
It's just I'd end up in a higher income tax
bracket and I don't want to pay the extra taxes.
So you know, it's just so pondless waterfalls basically waterfall
falling into what looks like a base of rock, but
there's a reservoir underneath. So you don't have the open water.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
You don't have the open water, you don't have the maintenance.
It's a lot less maintenance than let's say, a reflection.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
You can walk over it too.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Just very safe, very safe for children and things like that.
But a lot of times people put these in areas
where they don't want a big pond at the bottom,
they don't want the fish and they but they want
some sort of water element in their landscape.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
They want to be able to turn it on and off. Yeah,
that's that's what we have because we're not up there
all the time.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Well, there's even people want to. Another trend is a
dipping pond or something where they want to dangle their
feet in the water. They they want to they want
to dip. So what they're doing is, you know, they're
they're coming home from work and maybe they're sitting on
the edge of the pond reading a book or or
you know, hanging out with their grandchild something like that.
(22:40):
You know, that's that's really what these kind of bring
to a to a backyard.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
We kind of tied ours in with a fire pit,
and you know, you have we have a small lake
on one side and then the cabin on the other
with the waterfall. And it's funny, as you're saying this again,
I realized that the chairs were turned to look away
from the water filled up and you know, you don't
even realize you're doing it, but it's like it's it's
cool yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, that's because they're I know it sounds goofy, but
they're living, they're breathing, they're they're interactive, you know, they
are you know, you're looking at eye candy, you're looking
at something that's actually moving.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Are Are you brought up outdoor music before? Is that
something you're getting into now?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I'm I am personally. I'm doing it at my home.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I want to. I want to.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I love outdoor music, and I think you.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Know the one with the subworber that you bury it.
I didn't get it yet. I didn't get it yet.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
One of my buddies at the home show had a
display Mike and Doug from Exteriors a limit.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I remember, you know, they had this awesome sound system
out there, and I thought I got to have that.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
And so when you you know, it's all those things
that people they're spending so much more time outside, you know,
or even if you're.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
You know what, who wants to drag a boombox out
or blue we were dragging Bluetooth speakers out and then
they go, you know, right around the time you're just
starting to have fun. Also in the battery goes Dad.
I just I had one put in from Kevin over
at World Class Life. Kevin.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Absolutely great guy, great guy.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, I did did a great job for us, Dean
give out your information. And you guys are still I
know you are, but I'm just I just want to
let people know you're still going out and still drawing.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Still we're still taking bookings for this year.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
We want to still get a big water feature in
this year.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, we want to meet with you.
We want to talk with you. There's there's no strings attached,
just kind of get you educated on what we can
do for you here at Aquatica. My number four one
four five two zero pond four one four five two
zero seven six six three. We're located in Wales. Aquatica
(24:45):
Ponds dot Com is our website. And I also wanted
to give a plug to the Wildlife and Need Center
out of Summit. There's a lot of animals running around
right now, a lot of turtles, different different things. Any
injured wildlife that you come across, you know, the Wildlife
and Need Center, maybe they can help you out. Obviously,
watch out for the turtles crossing the street right I
(25:06):
got a soft spot for the Turtles.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I have a customer that volunteers there, and I brought
you up and they do know who you are because
they're so active in it. Yeah, she didn't want me
to say her name, but that's fine. I get it.
But yeah, I said Dean over at a watch Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Used to be on the board and yeah, you know.
But they're a great organization. But I always like to say,
watch out for the turtles, all of them. Yeah, no,
I get it, Dean. Thanks for coming on spending some
time with the Guru. I look forward you'll be here again.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Oh yeah. We do three four shows a year, always
a little bit, always get positive feedback. If you want
to see what's going on in a water feature out
at my place, it will be on Facebook at Kurzoner
Kurzner's Facebook page and you can check it out. There
will also be the podcast of this particular show on there.
Thanks Nick, Thank you, Dean. All Right, News Talk eleven
(25:51):
thirty WISN. We will return again next week.
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