April 7, 2025 • 24 mins
Nick interviews the owner of World Class Premier Garage.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When you need wisdom and advice.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Seek out a guru.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
When you need wisdom and advice about remodeling and design.
Lock on and listen right now to Nick the Construction Guru.
Here is award winning remodeling expert Nick Kurzner, News Talk eleven.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Thirty w I sa in Good Morning Wisconsin, Nick the
construction Guru.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Here. I have a good.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Friend of mine's done a bunch of work for me.
We've we've broken bread together and we became friends, I
think years ago at one of the shows, but kind
of a regular guest on the show. I have Kevin
Hunt from world Class outdoor Lighting, Premiere Garage, and I
can't keep up?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
What's the other one?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
World class oultor lighting? What did you say? No, I'm
sorry it goes off, Nick. It happens during your show
here and there.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I know I understand at you and at your age,
at your age, Taylor Tailor Living, Premiere Garage, world class
author life.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
There you go. Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Have to tell you the show our last day of
the show today, if you've been thinking about any type
of exterior lighting or any type of organizational things.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
And I talked to somebody yesterday and they.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Said do you do. Do you do all the stuff
in the garage and all that. I said, well, I
partner with a company that does we do the drywall
and stuff like that, and then you guys would come
in with the cabinets. But tell us a little bit
about what you do. I'm sure most people know Kevin
because you're on the show so often. But there's a
lot of cool stuff going on with Premiere Garage and
World Class.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
The biggest thing with Premiere Garage is we've had Aaron's
been working there forever and she's very good at designing.
And you know this, Aaron's been there for about ten
years doing designs.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Man she is dedicated.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
But a lot of those.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
People they bounce around from they'll do any industry. They'll
do kitchen cabinets, maybe they'll do a different line of work,
and then you know, they'll design a closet and they'll
bunce around to maybe doing cabinets. Aaron's been doing cabinets
in closets for ten years. And what we end up
doing is we'll get a garage a lot of times
and we'll do obviously, we do the epoxy floor. A
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Poxy's been around forever and it's very durable, and then
they need some garage organization and and Aaron is phenomenal
at that. And then you know, if your wife needs
a closet, she can also. She sits there and she'll
listen to the needs of the customer and and she
puts together a couple of different plans that you can
visually look at and then you pick one. She's, like
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I said, you know, she's been doing it for a
long long time. The other thing, Nick and I think
we've talked about this a little bit. In the industry
more specifically with flooring, a lot of people that are
flying under the radar, that you know, fly by night
operators and I hate to use.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
That word with the epoxy flooring.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Yeah, more there specifically, and a lot of those guys
they don't e ensure. And so what we're starting to
do is we're putting our insurance certificates in a lot
of our proposals. I haven't done that up until this year,
but I know for a factor is a problem. And
I don't know where you are in the industry as
far as echoes. Obviously, I know you have insurance, but
there's a lot of people out there, you know, where.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I have challenges, Kevin, is when I use like a
tile guy, a subcontractor, and they tell me they have insurance,
but you have to be very specific because the state
of Wisconsin's really tough on this work comp thing. If
you're if you're a solo operator, right, supposedly you don't
have to have insurance, but then we get audited and
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we have to have the insurance for them. So yeah,
I know it's a it's a shell game. And many
of the independent guys don't want to pay the insurance premium,
so I don't know if it's flying under the radar.
It's kind of a glitch in the law because you
have to meet nine criteria right to not be insured,
and most of them can't meet that.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
So and that you know, that's you know, the workmen's
comp things obviously very important. There's also important, well, if
somebody gets hurt on the job, God forbid, they're doing
Christmas lighting, let's say, which we do, and they fall
and they hurt themselves if there's no insurance of any
capacity there, which, believe it or not, once again, is
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quite common. The homeowner is going to be responsible for
a lot of that bill and it's going to roll
onto somebody's insurance. I mean, there's liabilities everywhere. And you
can talk about this a little bit too, but it's funny.
I'm just we renew our policy every I believe it's
April first, which is a perfect case of yeah no,
but it I started thinking about it in January, February
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and in March. There's a lot of people that you know,
shouldn't be doing stuff an the industry at all. But
if I burned a house down, I've got millions of
dollars in protection I had. You know, you got up
everything we work on high end houses. I believe my
coverage is about five million. And that came to light
when that church burned down in Milwaukee, and there is
a whole bunch of problems there because who's got that
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much insurance to ensure you know, a twenty million dollar church.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
It's it's a great point you bring up, and that's
one of the things that we talk about, and that
might not be a bad idea, you know now that
this is coming to light through you adding that insurance
certificate to every proposal. But the other thing I tell
people is more than that you should really call the
insurance company and ask them if the insurance certificate is
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still valid, because, as you know, when we pay our
premiums pay annually at least we do, and then you
know a lot of guys will pay monthly. So if
they don't pay that next premium, that certificate that they
got a month earlier doesn't magically change. So you really
have to do your due diligence and make sure that
people have insurance.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I agree, and I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
It's not cheap.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
No, it's not cheap, absolutely not. It's extremely expensive as
a matter of fact. But the protection affords the customer
and I don't know, you know, Kevin, I don't know
if the insurance would actually have to be paid or
the injury would actually have to be paid by the homeowner.
I think that that's a court case, but it is
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going to take a Philadelphia lawyer to argue the case.
So you have all those legal fees and things, and
you know, for a homeowner just wanted Christmas lights put on,
now all of a sudden they're in court over an
injury because you know, the contractor they're using didn't have insurance.
That's ridiculous. So you should do your due diligence up front.
It's a great point.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
It's a great I mean, if you want to sort
out whether a contractor you get a bid on a job.
This is a perfect example. Guy comes in and his
BID's really low. Ask for his insurance. You're going to
find out how legitimate that contract you are.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Well, and then when he gives you that insurance, don't
don't just say yeah, I got insurance, show me the certificate.
Then call the company on there and say, hey, is
this insurance still intact, because you will find that many
of them aren't.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Yeah, that's a good way to read people out there.
There's no doubt about that. Yeah, that just kind of
came the light this year.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well, and we.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Can't compete with them, So it's it's you can't if
they're not paying insurance and we are, we can't be competitive.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
And then you got a warehouse, and so do I.
And they're operating out of a garage, which I don't
really care what you operate out of, but you really
have to have everything covered.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
As far as all lines of what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
You crash a vehicle, now you've got a vehicle come
in your house, and you're helping enable this process. And
you can stop all that just by asking for the
insurance and making sure they have it.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, so you went You went off on a bit
of a tangent here, but it's all good information.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
You know, I was kind of excited because seeing your
display down at the show. By the way, you can
still go to the show today and see both Kevin
and I down there at State Fair Park for the
Home and Garden Show, the remodelers Home and guard realtors
Home and Garden Show.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I feel like they should be remodelers, but they're realtors.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Nobody's perfect. Nick.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
You know, you have your lighting displays down there, you
have your cabinet's down there, you have.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Oh, we got the flooring, flooring. The flooring that we did.
That's kind of a nice little thing that we put
together well.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
And I don't know how much you want to talk
about that, but you know, I know about the flooring
because I've known several guys who have come and gone
in that business.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
It is.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
It is one of those businesses where you can get
into pretty easy and you don't need a ton of
equipment to do what they're doing. But the guys that
are doing it right, it's a whole different ballgame.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
You know, our guys are fairly experienced by I say fairly,
they're probably the most experience in the industry. They got
over four or five years of experience. We only do
a POxy. There's other companies out there. They speed up
the drying time, and there's different products, and just common
sense should tell you that that's probably not the best idea.
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After a poxy's cured, it's as strong as anything. All
the fire departments because their floors were sealed, they're a
little bit slippery. Fire trucks come in, firefighters slips and falls.
That's a pretty big deal. So they're in a process
within every city's budgets throughout the country of redoing their
floors and they're all specking out a POxy. You can
put a granular substance in there. In fact, we do
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on every floor. Yeah, it stops you from slipping. It's
that's a phenomenal thing for it any other reason. There's
there's a couple of reasons garages get done. But you know,
if you're a little bit older, when I say older,
you know, plus sixty plus. You know, the last thing
you want to do is have yourself or your wife
fall in the garage when you get out of the
car in the winter and you slip and fall. Because
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some of that stuff's pretty slippery. This stuff has a
grid in it and it and it really protects that.
And the other reason is, and Nick, you can expand
on this a little bit. You know, we can take
a floor that's heavily damaged. You can even see the
aggregates half the time, and you know that's when the
experience comes in. Anybody can you know, kind of easy
to do, a really good, easy floor. But it's the
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tough ones where you really need a you know, a
guy like Corgey to come out there and help you out.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I have seen you guys, the one in Pewaukee. I
you know, I didn't think you could. I didn't think
you'd be able to do it, and you guys went
out there repaired the existing floor and then put the
epoxy over. And I'm still amazed because I've been out
there since and it's still it's still in good shape.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
So it's like I would say, if you have a
cracked garage, floor. You don't necessarily have to have that
jacked out and put new concrete in because you guys
can work some magic there. And I've seen it. I've
seen it.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Yeah, it's a fairly durable fixed to a bad situation.
And then you're getting you know, a beautiful looking floor.
You're getting your problem solved. Plus you're getting the epoxy finished.
It has beautiful flake on it and it just.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Looks awesoul and that's not affected by you know, gasoline
or annie freeze or break fluid. I mean, it's not
going to eat through that, right, I mean you protect it.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Well, you can pretty much kill somebody on that floor, Nick,
and your blood is not going to penetrate it.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
As funny is, concrete is fairly porous, believe it or not,
a lot of people don't realize that. And I'll tell
a funny story about that in a minute. But you
know that POxy is uh non porous and you can
just wipe oil right off whatever. But we had a
guy in uh we lost a bit. It was in Muskigo,
father and son team of guys when and they hit U.
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There was some oil that was penetrated deep into the concrete.
And they walked off the job. So the guy had
his floor ground. Two guys walked off their job, and
I can guarantee you they didn't have insurance. Nick and
his homeowners stuck with the floor that's opened, we call
it open when that top layers taken off and he
had to call us and he had to eat a
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bit of crow, and we didn't make him eat too much.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
But uh, I know you and I know you. I
know there was a little.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Grappling involved and uh, you know we knew how to
get the oil out, but you know that's that's just
you know, these guys go to a supply house and
they'll buy the product and and you get oil in
the floor or you an stuff unknowns happen all the time,
and that he couldn't figure how to get it out.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
You know, we we got to get We're up against
a break here. But I do want to talk a
little bit more about, you know, how you guys prepare it,
because I know that's a big part of it. I've
learned a lot about garage floor codings in the last
five years, and we'll talk about some of that, but
I also want to talk about world class outdoor lighting
and I know, I know you grow tired of it,
but I am so impressed with what you guys do,
and we'll talk a little bit about that. So we'll
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return after these breaks on Newstalk eleven thirty WISN. News
Talk eleven thirty WISN returning from break Nick the construction grew.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
If you're thinking about a remodeling project, give us a call.
You can reach us at two six two five six
seven twenty five hundred are on the world wide web
at kurznerink dot com. We are doing kitchens, bathrooms, wreck rooms.
There's all kinds of different projects additions. Again, give us
a call. Cursoner is the only company in Wisconsin to
win the Better Business Bureau Tortu Award three times for
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ethics and integrity. If you're just tuning in, I have
Kevin Hunt with me from World Class Outdoor Lighting, Premier
Garage and Taylor Living. We were talking before break a
little bit about epoxy floors, and you know, I see
a lot of people at the show looking at it
when I come by your booth. That seems to be
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what people are really really interested in. So you know,
a couple of times I came over by your booth.
There were people talking about flooring. You and I have
talked several times, Kevin that the major issue with applying
a good floor, Well, I guess there's two. You have
to use the right product, but more than that is preparation.
You have to prepare that floor for the new coding.
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Before break, we were talking about oil, you know, permeating
through the porousness of concrete, and you can't just cover
that up, can you.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
No, you can't have oil in there. And another thing
is that floor has to be dry when you apply
to epoxy. So you open it up, so some times
the floor looks dry and then you grind it and
all of a sudden, all this moisture is coming out.
And there's been a couple times, not a lot. The
one way to fix that is you have to leave
it sit for a bit and that all that that
moisture has to come out. So those are kind of
the two biggest things. A lot of times, a lot
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of contractors in a hurry, they want to get stuff
done in and out, and that's just not what we do.
We make sure it's done right the first time.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Well, you know you're right that when we put down
a floor on a you know, if the house has
a concrete subfloor, well, we'll tape a piece of plastic.
We take the old trick was tape one foot by
one foot piece of plastic on the floor with duct
tape and let it sit. And it's amazing. You're right,
the floor looks like it's dry. But then you come
back and there's condensation on that plastic. Well, that's drawing
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that moisture out. So if you encapsulate that with an
a epoxy product, that you can imagine what the trouble
down the line is going to be. And I can
also imagine that when you strip the top layer off,
when you guys grind the floor down, and then you say, hey,
we're going to have to let this s try out
for a few These people are thinking, oh my god,
all my stuff's and storage. I get it, it's an inconvenience,
but it's more of an inconvenience to reload that garage
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and have to redo the floor.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Now, there's a couple of things we provide. Nick.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
We have enclosed trailers that will bring up your house.
You can pull your stuff off. I know, I know
you're getting kind of excited over that nick, But we
need every trailer we have for your garage. I've seen it,
so that's just not happening. And your stuff's all heavy too.
You ruin all the suspension on my trailers. But you know,
we come in there and we have a good plan
and then Aaron once again does the design for the
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cabinets and whatever we have, and we really really put together.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
A good garage for you.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
You got your stuff that comes in onto the trailer,
then you can put it back out and organize everything
as you're going, and it works out really well.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
And I think the thing that we've talked about in
the past is Aaron has insight on storage solutions. So
you know, everybody can kind of figure out, hey be
nice to have shelves and toats and all of that,
but Aaron can utilize space that isn't typically utilized in
a And that's one of the things that I've always
been impressed with. I always talked about your lifts. You
have different hanging systems and your systems. The other thing
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can develop as the family ages, when hockey equipment eventually
turns into you know tools, you know, as the kids
grow up, those those slat walls and all that kind
of stuff can be reused.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Right, Yeah, you can use those for anything.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
You know.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
We had a boat house and we've done boat houses
with slat well and you know, the hooks and everything,
and we had a problem with a job.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And this is kind of how we solve problems. And
I'm going to take you through this. Nick is the
store walls we called storewall.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
It was breaking and they were putting canoes on it
and every other thing, and it was pretty heavy and
it shouldn't happen. So we had to manufacturer come down
there and we looked at it and I asked the
guy if we can have one more attempt to fix it,
and he agreed, and I said, you know, I'll reimburse
you for everything that we have here if it doesn't.
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And it was about a fifteen thousand dollars job. It was,
it was a whole boat house. And we figured it out.
The hooks that we were using, they told us the
wrong hooks and we had different leverage points on them
and we had to add another hook. And at my
warehouse we went and got a kayak and I sat
in the kayak three feet off the floor and tested it.
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And I'm over two hundred pounds.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
So that worked. And that's just what I do.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
I'm gonna whatever, Nick, so, but that's what I you know,
that's how you solve a problem. I wasn't squeamish about it.
If something screwed up, I'll either fix it or you're
getting your money back. And even the manufacturer said, well,
that was mighty generous of you. I said, you just
told me this is the problem, and this is how
you fix it. So we stood behind it and it
made complete sense to me absolutely.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I had a similar situation on a commercial house that
we redid the kitchen and some of the drywall cracked,
and it was over a year later and she called
me up and she said, can you come take a
look at this? And then she said, well, how much
is it going to cost? I said's not gonna cost anything.
We're going to fix it because we did it. And
you know, the amazing thing to me is that people
are like almost jaw dropping when you say something like
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that because they're so used to being put.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
On the elevator. Be put on the elevator.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
You know, when you have a good reputation, as both
of us do for going back on jobs, when there's
issues that new spreads. It's much the same as Amazon.
You know, I use Amazon a lot because if you
have a problem with something, they pay the shipping back
and they don't ask any questions.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
You just said. I mean, for me, I've never had
an issue.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I've gotten some crappy products from Amazon, sent it back,
no issues, And that's why I continue to use Amazon.
And I think that's why your business and my business
have continued to grow, because that word spreads. It's important
to make sure that you're delivering what you say you're
going to deliver.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Well, now I understand why you have an Amazon shirt
on Nick there you go, yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Standing behind you know, being in business really isn't that hard.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
You know. You just do things the way you're supposed.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
To do them, get your insurance, take care of your
customers over and over and over, take care of your
customers no matter what. And that's the way that works.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
So I did promise that at the break that we
were going to come to this, and I know you
grow tired of it because it's probably you know, it's
the oldest, oldest part of the company.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
That you have. But you're outdoor lighting again.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You've done another project. You did my house. I don't
know how many years ago. We always say twenty, but
I think it's more than that because we've been saying
twenty for the last five years. It makes me feel young, Nick, Yeah, yeah,
but you know that product is still still serves me. Well,
there's there's been some little maintenance items, of course, like
with anything. But one of the things I love about
the outdoor lighting that you guys provide is that even
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if you look at the fixtures, you can tell that
they are hold on.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I gotta get it.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
That's Amazon.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, those fixtures, everything comes apart
to be repaired. You can get parts for it. And
now just having the up North property done with you guys,
it is just frigging gorgeous.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
What you did up there.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I mean I have my my neighbors come over and go,
my god, is this cool. So you know, I wanted
to talk a little bit about what differentiates you from
let's let's say, like Amazon, because you can go on
Amazon and you can buy kit lighting, and I know
the difference, but I think it'll be better coming from
you because I had the Amazon lighting up North because
I didn't figure out you'd drive three and a half
hours to do it for me, which you did. And
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let's let's talk a little bit about what differentiates you know,
your fixtures and your service from you know, some of
the landscape things, some of the you know, the home
depot boxes you can get and do yourself.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
You know the Amazon why world class.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It's kind of like the floors.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I get my epoxy and I've always gotten my epoxy
from the same place. Premier Garage as one place where
we get it from, and we don't deviate from that
because there's consistency.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
The same with the lighting.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
We developed our product line and it's been in the
market for twenty plus years and it's withstood the test
of time. It's durable, it looks good, and you know
it's it's is not going to malfunction on you. And
the biggest thing about anything you use is consistency and
the quality of what you're using. Don't jump on the
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bandwagon and be the first guy to do something new.
Generally it doesn't work out. And I've done it a
few times and I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It's just not gonna work. O Oh, this is great.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
It's the next best thing. Generally doesn't work out very
well for you.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I had this conversation with a customer at the show yesterday.
He was talking about all these YouTube videos with building products,
plastic building products that you can build walls with, and
he says, you know, why isn't that stuff coming here?
And I believe it's because of the codes that we have.
You know, many times, if you see something on YouTube,
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or you see something on HGTV and you look at
it and you got that doesn't quite smell right to me.
It's in Canada, it's being filmed somewhere else. It's not here.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
But I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
My rule is kind of like I didn't like Luxury
vinyl plank flooring for the first five or six years
it was out. It was ugly, it there were things
I just didn't like about it. I did not sell
the product. I lost jobs because I did not sell
the product. Now that product has been perfected to the
point where I tore out all the ceramic tile I
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had in my house and put in LVP. It's softer,
it's warmer, it wears better, you don't have grout lines,
all of that kind of stuff. It's the same thing
that you're talking about with lighting, you know something new
comes out. One of the things we talked about yesterday
was all of these changing colored lights, okay, and you
were talking about some of that, and there were some
things that you know that the bluetooth doesn't reach around
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corners and things like that. So I know that world
class isn't going to be offering things that don't work
until they are working, and with technology, it'll eventually come around.
But that's the good reason for talking to somebody like you, Kevin,
when you're talking about outdoor lighting, because you've been in
the game a long time. You not only know what works,
you know what doesn't work. And I think that's what's
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important because I went the route and it wasn't to
be cheap. It was because of where I was of
going with outdoor lighting and putting it in myself. I'd
watched you do my house. It's not brain surgery. It's
a lot of work, but it's not brain surgery. But
even the connectors and things that you use, you know
a lot of people are twisting those silicone filled wire
nuts on and calling that good. You're using brass connectors
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and heat shrink and all of that kind of stuff.
But even with that stuff, when you're using inferior and
they were metal lights, but they weren't near as thick
as yours. You have heavy duty commercial lighting if you will, right, yeah,
it is commercial grade.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
If you can't drop it off a roof, Nick, I
don't want to install it.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And I'm not joking.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Every one of them transformers are Throw them right off
a roof and they'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
We did.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
As far as color changing lights, we did. All the Kestlers,
they have it underneath their soft it's under roof and
they all that's kind of the biggest one in Germantown.
We did give us a call at two six two
eight seven five thirty ten as Premier Garage and the
World Classes two six two five four nine fifty four
eighty three.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Thanks Kevin, as always, I appreciate you coming in and
spending some time with the Guru. You're the man.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
All right, News Talk eleven thirty WISN. We will return
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
Thirty w I sa in Good Morning Wisconsin, Nick the
construction Guru.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Here. I have a good.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Friend of mine's done a bunch of work for me.
We've we've broken bread together and we became friends, I
think years ago at one of the shows, but kind
of a regular guest on the show. I have Kevin
Hunt from world Class outdoor Lighting, Premiere Garage, and I
can't keep up?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
What's the other one?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
World class oultor lighting? What did you say? No, I'm
sorry it goes off, Nick. It happens during your show
here and there.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I know I understand at you and at your age,
at your age, Taylor Tailor Living, Premiere Garage, world class
author life.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
There you go. Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Have to tell you the show our last day of
the show today, if you've been thinking about any type
of exterior lighting or any type of organizational things.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
And I talked to somebody yesterday and they.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Said do you do. Do you do all the stuff
in the garage and all that. I said, well, I
partner with a company that does we do the drywall
and stuff like that, and then you guys would come
in with the cabinets. But tell us a little bit
about what you do. I'm sure most people know Kevin
because you're on the show so often. But there's a
lot of cool stuff going on with Premiere Garage and
World Class.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
The biggest thing with Premiere Garage is we've had Aaron's
been working there forever and she's very good at designing.
And you know this, Aaron's been there for about ten
years doing designs.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Man she is dedicated.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
But a lot of those.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
People they bounce around from they'll do any industry. They'll
do kitchen cabinets, maybe they'll do a different line of work,
and then you know, they'll design a closet and they'll
bunce around to maybe doing cabinets. Aaron's been doing cabinets
in closets for ten years. And what we end up
doing is we'll get a garage a lot of times
and we'll do obviously, we do the epoxy floor. A
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Poxy's been around forever and it's very durable, and then
they need some garage organization and and Aaron is phenomenal
at that. And then you know, if your wife needs
a closet, she can also. She sits there and she'll
listen to the needs of the customer and and she
puts together a couple of different plans that you can
visually look at and then you pick one. She's, like
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I said, you know, she's been doing it for a
long long time. The other thing, Nick and I think
we've talked about this a little bit. In the industry
more specifically with flooring, a lot of people that are
flying under the radar, that you know, fly by night
operators and I hate to use.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
That word with the epoxy flooring.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Yeah, more there specifically, and a lot of those guys
they don't e ensure. And so what we're starting to
do is we're putting our insurance certificates in a lot
of our proposals. I haven't done that up until this year,
but I know for a factor is a problem. And
I don't know where you are in the industry as
far as echoes. Obviously, I know you have insurance, but
there's a lot of people out there, you know, where.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I have challenges, Kevin, is when I use like a
tile guy, a subcontractor, and they tell me they have insurance,
but you have to be very specific because the state
of Wisconsin's really tough on this work comp thing. If
you're if you're a solo operator, right, supposedly you don't
have to have insurance, but then we get audited and
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we have to have the insurance for them. So yeah,
I know it's a it's a shell game. And many
of the independent guys don't want to pay the insurance premium,
so I don't know if it's flying under the radar.
It's kind of a glitch in the law because you
have to meet nine criteria right to not be insured,
and most of them can't meet that.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
So and that you know, that's you know, the workmen's
comp things obviously very important. There's also important, well, if
somebody gets hurt on the job, God forbid, they're doing
Christmas lighting, let's say, which we do, and they fall
and they hurt themselves if there's no insurance of any
capacity there, which, believe it or not, once again, is
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quite common. The homeowner is going to be responsible for
a lot of that bill and it's going to roll
onto somebody's insurance. I mean, there's liabilities everywhere. And you
can talk about this a little bit too, but it's funny.
I'm just we renew our policy every I believe it's
April first, which is a perfect case of yeah no,
but it I started thinking about it in January, February
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and in March. There's a lot of people that you know,
shouldn't be doing stuff an the industry at all. But
if I burned a house down, I've got millions of
dollars in protection I had. You know, you got up
everything we work on high end houses. I believe my
coverage is about five million. And that came to light
when that church burned down in Milwaukee, and there is
a whole bunch of problems there because who's got that
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much insurance to ensure you know, a twenty million dollar church.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
It's it's a great point you bring up, and that's
one of the things that we talk about, and that
might not be a bad idea, you know now that
this is coming to light through you adding that insurance
certificate to every proposal. But the other thing I tell
people is more than that you should really call the
insurance company and ask them if the insurance certificate is
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still valid, because, as you know, when we pay our
premiums pay annually at least we do, and then you
know a lot of guys will pay monthly. So if
they don't pay that next premium, that certificate that they
got a month earlier doesn't magically change. So you really
have to do your due diligence and make sure that
people have insurance.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I agree, and I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
It's not cheap.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
No, it's not cheap, absolutely not. It's extremely expensive as
a matter of fact. But the protection affords the customer
and I don't know, you know, Kevin, I don't know
if the insurance would actually have to be paid or
the injury would actually have to be paid by the homeowner.
I think that that's a court case, but it is
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going to take a Philadelphia lawyer to argue the case.
So you have all those legal fees and things, and
you know, for a homeowner just wanted Christmas lights put on,
now all of a sudden they're in court over an
injury because you know, the contractor they're using didn't have insurance.
That's ridiculous. So you should do your due diligence up front.
It's a great point.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
It's a great I mean, if you want to sort
out whether a contractor you get a bid on a job.
This is a perfect example. Guy comes in and his
BID's really low. Ask for his insurance. You're going to
find out how legitimate that contract you are.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Well, and then when he gives you that insurance, don't
don't just say yeah, I got insurance, show me the certificate.
Then call the company on there and say, hey, is
this insurance still intact, because you will find that many
of them aren't.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Yeah, that's a good way to read people out there.
There's no doubt about that. Yeah, that just kind of
came the light this year.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well, and we.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Can't compete with them, So it's it's you can't if
they're not paying insurance and we are, we can't be competitive.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
And then you got a warehouse, and so do I.
And they're operating out of a garage, which I don't
really care what you operate out of, but you really
have to have everything covered.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
As far as all lines of what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
You crash a vehicle, now you've got a vehicle come
in your house, and you're helping enable this process. And
you can stop all that just by asking for the
insurance and making sure they have it.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, so you went You went off on a bit
of a tangent here, but it's all good information.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
You know, I was kind of excited because seeing your
display down at the show. By the way, you can
still go to the show today and see both Kevin
and I down there at State Fair Park for the
Home and Garden Show, the remodelers Home and guard realtors
Home and Garden Show.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I feel like they should be remodelers, but they're realtors.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Nobody's perfect. Nick.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
You know, you have your lighting displays down there, you
have your cabinet's down there, you have.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Oh, we got the flooring, flooring. The flooring that we did.
That's kind of a nice little thing that we put
together well.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
And I don't know how much you want to talk
about that, but you know, I know about the flooring
because I've known several guys who have come and gone
in that business.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
It is.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
It is one of those businesses where you can get
into pretty easy and you don't need a ton of
equipment to do what they're doing. But the guys that
are doing it right, it's a whole different ballgame.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
You know, our guys are fairly experienced by I say fairly,
they're probably the most experience in the industry. They got
over four or five years of experience. We only do
a POxy. There's other companies out there. They speed up
the drying time, and there's different products, and just common
sense should tell you that that's probably not the best idea.
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After a poxy's cured, it's as strong as anything. All
the fire departments because their floors were sealed, they're a
little bit slippery. Fire trucks come in, firefighters slips and falls.
That's a pretty big deal. So they're in a process
within every city's budgets throughout the country of redoing their
floors and they're all specking out a POxy. You can
put a granular substance in there. In fact, we do
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on every floor. Yeah, it stops you from slipping. It's
that's a phenomenal thing for it any other reason. There's
there's a couple of reasons garages get done. But you know,
if you're a little bit older, when I say older,
you know, plus sixty plus. You know, the last thing
you want to do is have yourself or your wife
fall in the garage when you get out of the
car in the winter and you slip and fall. Because
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some of that stuff's pretty slippery. This stuff has a
grid in it and it and it really protects that.
And the other reason is, and Nick, you can expand
on this a little bit. You know, we can take
a floor that's heavily damaged. You can even see the
aggregates half the time, and you know that's when the
experience comes in. Anybody can you know, kind of easy
to do, a really good, easy floor. But it's the
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tough ones where you really need a you know, a
guy like Corgey to come out there and help you out.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I have seen you guys, the one in Pewaukee. I
you know, I didn't think you could. I didn't think
you'd be able to do it, and you guys went
out there repaired the existing floor and then put the
epoxy over. And I'm still amazed because I've been out
there since and it's still it's still in good shape.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
So it's like I would say, if you have a
cracked garage, floor. You don't necessarily have to have that
jacked out and put new concrete in because you guys
can work some magic there. And I've seen it. I've
seen it.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Yeah, it's a fairly durable fixed to a bad situation.
And then you're getting you know, a beautiful looking floor.
You're getting your problem solved. Plus you're getting the epoxy finished.
It has beautiful flake on it and it just.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Looks awesoul and that's not affected by you know, gasoline
or annie freeze or break fluid. I mean, it's not
going to eat through that, right, I mean you protect it.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Well, you can pretty much kill somebody on that floor, Nick,
and your blood is not going to penetrate it.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
As funny is, concrete is fairly porous, believe it or not,
a lot of people don't realize that. And I'll tell
a funny story about that in a minute. But you
know that POxy is uh non porous and you can
just wipe oil right off whatever. But we had a
guy in uh we lost a bit. It was in Muskigo,
father and son team of guys when and they hit U.
(11:15):
There was some oil that was penetrated deep into the concrete.
And they walked off the job. So the guy had
his floor ground. Two guys walked off their job, and
I can guarantee you they didn't have insurance. Nick and
his homeowners stuck with the floor that's opened, we call
it open when that top layers taken off and he
had to call us and he had to eat a
(11:36):
bit of crow, and we didn't make him eat too much.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
But uh, I know you and I know you. I
know there was a little.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Grappling involved and uh, you know we knew how to
get the oil out, but you know that's that's just
you know, these guys go to a supply house and
they'll buy the product and and you get oil in
the floor or you an stuff unknowns happen all the time,
and that he couldn't figure how to get it out.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
You know, we we got to get We're up against
a break here. But I do want to talk a
little bit more about, you know, how you guys prepare it,
because I know that's a big part of it. I've
learned a lot about garage floor codings in the last
five years, and we'll talk about some of that, but
I also want to talk about world class outdoor lighting
and I know, I know you grow tired of it,
but I am so impressed with what you guys do,
and we'll talk a little bit about that. So we'll
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return after these breaks on Newstalk eleven thirty WISN. News
Talk eleven thirty WISN returning from break Nick the construction grew.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
If you're thinking about a remodeling project, give us a call.
You can reach us at two six two five six
seven twenty five hundred are on the world wide web
at kurznerink dot com. We are doing kitchens, bathrooms, wreck rooms.
There's all kinds of different projects additions. Again, give us
a call. Cursoner is the only company in Wisconsin to
win the Better Business Bureau Tortu Award three times for
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ethics and integrity. If you're just tuning in, I have
Kevin Hunt with me from World Class Outdoor Lighting, Premier
Garage and Taylor Living. We were talking before break a
little bit about epoxy floors, and you know, I see
a lot of people at the show looking at it
when I come by your booth. That seems to be
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what people are really really interested in. So you know,
a couple of times I came over by your booth.
There were people talking about flooring. You and I have
talked several times, Kevin that the major issue with applying
a good floor, Well, I guess there's two. You have
to use the right product, but more than that is preparation.
You have to prepare that floor for the new coding.
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Before break, we were talking about oil, you know, permeating
through the porousness of concrete, and you can't just cover
that up, can you.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
No, you can't have oil in there. And another thing
is that floor has to be dry when you apply
to epoxy. So you open it up, so some times
the floor looks dry and then you grind it and
all of a sudden, all this moisture is coming out.
And there's been a couple times, not a lot. The
one way to fix that is you have to leave
it sit for a bit and that all that that
moisture has to come out. So those are kind of
the two biggest things. A lot of times, a lot
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of contractors in a hurry, they want to get stuff
done in and out, and that's just not what we do.
We make sure it's done right the first time.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Well, you know you're right that when we put down
a floor on a you know, if the house has
a concrete subfloor, well, we'll tape a piece of plastic.
We take the old trick was tape one foot by
one foot piece of plastic on the floor with duct
tape and let it sit. And it's amazing. You're right,
the floor looks like it's dry. But then you come
back and there's condensation on that plastic. Well, that's drawing
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that moisture out. So if you encapsulate that with an
a epoxy product, that you can imagine what the trouble
down the line is going to be. And I can
also imagine that when you strip the top layer off,
when you guys grind the floor down, and then you say, hey,
we're going to have to let this s try out
for a few These people are thinking, oh my god,
all my stuff's and storage. I get it, it's an inconvenience,
but it's more of an inconvenience to reload that garage
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and have to redo the floor.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Now, there's a couple of things we provide. Nick.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
We have enclosed trailers that will bring up your house.
You can pull your stuff off. I know, I know
you're getting kind of excited over that nick, But we
need every trailer we have for your garage. I've seen it,
so that's just not happening. And your stuff's all heavy too.
You ruin all the suspension on my trailers. But you know,
we come in there and we have a good plan
and then Aaron once again does the design for the
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cabinets and whatever we have, and we really really put together.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
A good garage for you.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
You got your stuff that comes in onto the trailer,
then you can put it back out and organize everything
as you're going, and it works out really well.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
And I think the thing that we've talked about in
the past is Aaron has insight on storage solutions. So
you know, everybody can kind of figure out, hey be
nice to have shelves and toats and all of that,
but Aaron can utilize space that isn't typically utilized in
a And that's one of the things that I've always
been impressed with. I always talked about your lifts. You
have different hanging systems and your systems. The other thing
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can develop as the family ages, when hockey equipment eventually
turns into you know tools, you know, as the kids
grow up, those those slat walls and all that kind
of stuff can be reused.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Right, Yeah, you can use those for anything.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
You know.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
We had a boat house and we've done boat houses
with slat well and you know, the hooks and everything,
and we had a problem with a job.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And this is kind of how we solve problems. And
I'm going to take you through this. Nick is the
store walls we called storewall.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
It was breaking and they were putting canoes on it
and every other thing, and it was pretty heavy and
it shouldn't happen. So we had to manufacturer come down
there and we looked at it and I asked the
guy if we can have one more attempt to fix it,
and he agreed, and I said, you know, I'll reimburse
you for everything that we have here if it doesn't.
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And it was about a fifteen thousand dollars job. It was,
it was a whole boat house. And we figured it out.
The hooks that we were using, they told us the
wrong hooks and we had different leverage points on them
and we had to add another hook. And at my
warehouse we went and got a kayak and I sat
in the kayak three feet off the floor and tested it.
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And I'm over two hundred pounds.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
So that worked. And that's just what I do.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
I'm gonna whatever, Nick, so, but that's what I you know,
that's how you solve a problem. I wasn't squeamish about it.
If something screwed up, I'll either fix it or you're
getting your money back. And even the manufacturer said, well,
that was mighty generous of you. I said, you just
told me this is the problem, and this is how
you fix it. So we stood behind it and it
made complete sense to me absolutely.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I had a similar situation on a commercial house that
we redid the kitchen and some of the drywall cracked,
and it was over a year later and she called
me up and she said, can you come take a
look at this? And then she said, well, how much
is it going to cost? I said's not gonna cost anything.
We're going to fix it because we did it. And
you know, the amazing thing to me is that people
are like almost jaw dropping when you say something like
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that because they're so used to being put.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
On the elevator. Be put on the elevator.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
You know, when you have a good reputation, as both
of us do for going back on jobs, when there's
issues that new spreads. It's much the same as Amazon.
You know, I use Amazon a lot because if you
have a problem with something, they pay the shipping back
and they don't ask any questions.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
You just said. I mean, for me, I've never had
an issue.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I've gotten some crappy products from Amazon, sent it back,
no issues, And that's why I continue to use Amazon.
And I think that's why your business and my business
have continued to grow, because that word spreads. It's important
to make sure that you're delivering what you say you're
going to deliver.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Well, now I understand why you have an Amazon shirt
on Nick there you go, yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Standing behind you know, being in business really isn't that hard.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
You know. You just do things the way you're supposed.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
To do them, get your insurance, take care of your
customers over and over and over, take care of your
customers no matter what. And that's the way that works.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
So I did promise that at the break that we
were going to come to this, and I know you
grow tired of it because it's probably you know, it's
the oldest, oldest part of the company.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
That you have. But you're outdoor lighting again.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You've done another project. You did my house. I don't
know how many years ago. We always say twenty, but
I think it's more than that because we've been saying
twenty for the last five years. It makes me feel young, Nick, Yeah, yeah,
but you know that product is still still serves me. Well,
there's there's been some little maintenance items, of course, like
with anything. But one of the things I love about
the outdoor lighting that you guys provide is that even
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if you look at the fixtures, you can tell that
they are hold on.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I gotta get it.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
That's Amazon.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, those fixtures, everything comes apart
to be repaired. You can get parts for it. And
now just having the up North property done with you guys,
it is just frigging gorgeous.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
What you did up there.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I mean I have my my neighbors come over and go,
my god, is this cool. So you know, I wanted
to talk a little bit about what differentiates you from
let's let's say, like Amazon, because you can go on
Amazon and you can buy kit lighting, and I know
the difference, but I think it'll be better coming from
you because I had the Amazon lighting up North because
I didn't figure out you'd drive three and a half
hours to do it for me, which you did. And
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let's let's talk a little bit about what differentiates you know,
your fixtures and your service from you know, some of
the landscape things, some of the you know, the home
depot boxes you can get and do yourself.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
You know the Amazon why world class.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It's kind of like the floors.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I get my epoxy and I've always gotten my epoxy
from the same place. Premier Garage as one place where
we get it from, and we don't deviate from that
because there's consistency.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
The same with the lighting.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
We developed our product line and it's been in the
market for twenty plus years and it's withstood the test
of time. It's durable, it looks good, and you know
it's it's is not going to malfunction on you. And
the biggest thing about anything you use is consistency and
the quality of what you're using. Don't jump on the
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bandwagon and be the first guy to do something new.
Generally it doesn't work out. And I've done it a
few times and I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It's just not gonna work. O Oh, this is great.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
It's the next best thing. Generally doesn't work out very
well for you.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I had this conversation with a customer at the show yesterday.
He was talking about all these YouTube videos with building products,
plastic building products that you can build walls with, and
he says, you know, why isn't that stuff coming here?
And I believe it's because of the codes that we have.
You know, many times, if you see something on YouTube,
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or you see something on HGTV and you look at
it and you got that doesn't quite smell right to me.
It's in Canada, it's being filmed somewhere else. It's not here.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
But I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
My rule is kind of like I didn't like Luxury
vinyl plank flooring for the first five or six years
it was out. It was ugly, it there were things
I just didn't like about it. I did not sell
the product. I lost jobs because I did not sell
the product. Now that product has been perfected to the
point where I tore out all the ceramic tile I
(22:12):
had in my house and put in LVP. It's softer,
it's warmer, it wears better, you don't have grout lines,
all of that kind of stuff. It's the same thing
that you're talking about with lighting, you know something new
comes out. One of the things we talked about yesterday
was all of these changing colored lights, okay, and you
were talking about some of that, and there were some
things that you know that the bluetooth doesn't reach around
(22:33):
corners and things like that. So I know that world
class isn't going to be offering things that don't work
until they are working, and with technology, it'll eventually come around.
But that's the good reason for talking to somebody like you, Kevin,
when you're talking about outdoor lighting, because you've been in
the game a long time. You not only know what works,
you know what doesn't work. And I think that's what's
(22:54):
important because I went the route and it wasn't to
be cheap. It was because of where I was of
going with outdoor lighting and putting it in myself. I'd
watched you do my house. It's not brain surgery. It's
a lot of work, but it's not brain surgery. But
even the connectors and things that you use, you know
a lot of people are twisting those silicone filled wire
nuts on and calling that good. You're using brass connectors
(23:17):
and heat shrink and all of that kind of stuff.
But even with that stuff, when you're using inferior and
they were metal lights, but they weren't near as thick
as yours. You have heavy duty commercial lighting if you will, right, yeah,
it is commercial grade.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
If you can't drop it off a roof, Nick, I
don't want to install it.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And I'm not joking.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Every one of them transformers are Throw them right off
a roof and they'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
We did.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
As far as color changing lights, we did. All the Kestlers,
they have it underneath their soft it's under roof and
they all that's kind of the biggest one in Germantown.
We did give us a call at two six two
eight seven five thirty ten as Premier Garage and the
World Classes two six two five four nine fifty four
eighty three.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Thanks Kevin, as always, I appreciate you coming in and
spending some time with the Guru. You're the man.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
All right, News Talk eleven thirty WISN. We will return
again next week.
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