A Look Ahead to Texas-OU, Dodgers Fight off the Phils, Wide-Open Playoff Picture in 25-6A

On this Texan Tuesday edition of the Craig Way Show, a great lineup of guests join Craig and Jake Herman to discuss the day's sports news.

Keith Moreland lends his expertise and breaks down the Dodgers' clutch defensive play in their NLDS win over the Phillies.

Greg Tepper catches you up on strong starts for several Texas collegiate football programs and then dives into why 6A football is full of parity this season compared to recent years.

Plus, Oklahoma play-by-play broadcaster Toby Rowland shares the latest on John Mateer's health and offers an inside look at the Sooners' early success.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Good afternoon, and welcome to What Texan Tuesday here on
the Craigway Show on Sports Radio AM thirteen hundred the Zone.
Happy to have you with us. My name is Craig White,
Thanks for joining us. Us includes the producer Jay Carmon,
who has shaken off the effects of whatever was ailing him.
Antibiotics are a wonderful thing, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (00:24):
They sure are, Craig, I feel like a million bucks.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
What was that?

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I had a stepfather once later when I was much
older than being a young kid. That was long after
my father had passed Way, he said, I feel like
a million bucks, but I'll sell for half in cash.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
He was funny that way. He had lots wants to
be liquid. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
We're with you each and every afternoon weekday, afternoon Monday
through Friday, from two to five. Glad to have you
with us. And on Tuesdays, we have a couple of
regular features that we do. One of those is we
talk football in the lone Star State, both college and
high school in the three o'clock hour with Greg Tepper,

(01:11):
the editor in chief of Dave Campbell's Texas Football Magazine.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
So we'll visit a tep.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Coming up at the three o'clock hour, we'll do that,
this being a Texan Tuesday. The return cuts when we
bump back include not limited to, but include these offerings.
In the two o'clock hour, the immortal Stevie Ray Vaughan,
in the three o'clock hour, the iconic Willie Nelson, and
in the four o'clock hour, the King George Strait. So

(01:36):
those are part of the regular things. But we've got
some other things going on today, this being Texas ou Week,
or as they like to say, north of the border,
oh you Texas Week put their own team first, and
that's understandable. But a good friend of mine play by
play voice of the Oklahoma Sooners, Tobe Roland, will join
us in the four o'clock hour, And I've had people

(01:59):
ask me, really good friend really of Yeah, yeah, same
thing with Andrew Monico, the voice of the you Know
Texas a and m Maggie's We're you know us in
our broadcast fraternity. We get to know one another, We
help each other out with things with information or this
or that, We appear on each other's shows and things

(02:20):
of that nature. So yeah, I'm sure many of you
out there. Those of you who are listening have folks,
friends who are you know, good friends of yours, or
at least friends of yours, maybe even relatives who owe

(02:42):
a collegiate allegiance to an institution other than the University
of Texas. It might even be Texas A and M
or some other school. It didn't stop you from being
friends or relatives or whatever that is. So anyway, Toby
Rolling will join us in the four o'clock hour as well,

(03:02):
coming up here in a few minutes. A good friend,
a broadcaster, and yes, a lifetime Texas Longhorn, my broadcast
partner in long win baseball, Keith Morland, who, of course
for I think nine football seasons was Vandalists and long
WRN football as well. Because Keith was an outstanding high
school football player and came to Texas as a scholarship

(03:25):
football player, played in the secondary for coach t Royal
for a couple of years, but something about being a
three time All American in baseball can kind of change
your plans, and he wound up in the bigs for
thirteen seasons and a lot of those with the Chicago
Cubs and works with us on Longhorn Baseball broadcast and
also does a lot of work for ESPN. Keith will

(03:46):
join us coming up here in a few minutes because
I wanted to get his take on the baseball playoffs,
but also on a play that happened last night in
Game number two of the National League Division Series between
the Los Angeles Dodgers and the Philadelphia Phillies. You probably
know the play I'm referring to by now. It happened

(04:08):
in the ninth inning. The Dodgers scored four in the seventh,
Emma Chien gave up a run in the eighth, but
the Dodgers were up four to one going to the
bottom of the ninth inning, and Dave Roberts elected, much
to the chagrin of Dodger fans all around the world,
to go with Blake Trinan out of the bullpen because

(04:31):
he still has a lot of faith in trying for
whatever reason, but dry it has struggled mightily. Now, he
did pitch pretty well against Cincinnati in the Wildcard round,
but he did not pitch well. He gave up two
runs and didn't even record it out, so it cut
a four to one lead to four to three, and
Dave Roberts had to come get him and brought Alex

(04:55):
Bessi out of the bullpen. The Phillies, uh were had
Nick Castillano's at second base with nobody out, The tying
run was at second with nobody out, and.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
His name just went right out of my head. The
guy who's laying down the bun. Uh. I'm trying to
remember it also, I mean, I was just I was
just thinking about him. Gosh a Mundo. No, they pinch
hit Stot.

Speaker 6 (05:28):
It was Stot Stott.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
It was Bryson Stott.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
That's who it was.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
And that's why, because yeah, they had pinch hit Sosa,
uh who who had a hit off Blake Snell, and
Snell had done really well as a starter for the
Dodgers in that game. But Bryson stock comes in and
everybody knows Stott, who was a good bunner, is gonna
lay down a bun, especially when nobody out and runner
at second base, so you know what's coming.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
The questions can you defend it?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Well, a lot of times if the bun is laid
down properly, it's an almost in the defensible play. But
during the changeover when that was happening, Mookie Betts apparently
came up with the idea, let's run the wheel play.
And if you're unfamiliar with the wheel play, it's whether

(06:16):
infielders rotating. I'll get Keith to give some greater explanation
of it. But they ran it to perfection and Max Munsky.
Munsey came charging him from third field of the ball
and threw the ball to a spot like a quarterback
throwing the ball to a spot where the receiver has
to be. Mookie Betts fielded it, put the tag on
Castianas and he was out. Now there are more things

(06:39):
to unpack about that play, and that's where Keith will
come in and I'll have some questions about it. But
it was a critical play gave him an out. There
was a runner at first base, then there were runners
at corner. At the corners with two outs, Roki Sasaki
came out of the bullpen gets a ground ball hit
the second Tommy Edmund just kind of kind of half
palmed the ball and shore word armed it and went

(07:00):
down in the dirt, but Freddie Freeman was able to
dig it out for the final out of the ball game.
That preserved the victory for Los Angeles. So the Dodgers
won four to three, and they're up two games to none,
going home with the two nothing lead. Milwaukee is up
to nothing on the Cubs spotted Chicago an early three
to nothing lead on the home run by Saya Suzuki
and then came back and just kind of clubbed them

(07:22):
after that one, seven to three. So they're up two
games done with the series sift shifting to Regley Field.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, how about that? Would you think of their little
bait and switch.

Speaker 7 (07:30):
Everybody thought Quinn Priester was going to follow Ashby in
that one, and instead we got the rookie phenom.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, and he's pitched great all year long. And so
now the because it was set up as a bullpen
game for Milwaukee, they not only survived that, they won
with it. So now they go to Chicago. Of course,
they were the best team in all of baseball. They
had the best record all season long. So anyway that

(07:57):
we'll keep to talk about those. In the American League,
which starts an hour for now, Game three in Detroit,
Tiger's hosting the Mariners. That's the only series where it's
one one and then tonight the Blue Jay's trying to
close out the Yankees to sweep them, but they'll have
to beat Carlos Rodon in New York and the Bronx.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
To do that.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
So anyway, we'll talk to Keith about all that in
a few minutes. Let's hear a little bit from Arch Banning,
the long Orange quarterback. This was yesterday from the media sessions.
We all know how banged up Arch was during the
ball game. He was sacked six times. Pressure twenty times
was their constant duress. And he was asked, so, Arch,

(08:35):
how sore were you when you woke up on Sunday?

Speaker 5 (08:38):
Pretty sore? That's part football, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
So it is.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
So after taking all these hits, does he feel a
little more respect?

Speaker 8 (08:47):
Yeah, I feel like we got a really good team.
Battles out of respect for all of our guys for
battling back, and that's part of playing quarterback, playing football.
I've watched guys, you know, take hits and it up
like a champ.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
So I'm just following their lead.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
So, you know what, the long wornes are struggling on
third down, says, We know when on offense, and a
major part of that is not getting the job done
on first and second down. They're constantly facing third and
longs Sart talked about that yesterday in the news conference.
Thing when you're facing third and nine all the time,
you're going to have a hard time being successful. So
you got to do a better job on first and

(09:24):
second down, and arch Banning was asked, what needs to
change almost first and second down calls?

Speaker 8 (09:29):
Yeah, we got to learn from Obviously, we didn't play
well on Saturday, and we got to learn from it
and get better and go play well again.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
See you and.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Third down three for eleven?

Speaker 5 (09:40):
What do you guys need to do on the first
and seconds to a little lead you.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
And reress the office.

Speaker 8 (09:44):
Yeah, we got to eliminate the preestnot penalties and have
first and second out wins. So then on third down
you're living in a easier you know, third and four
to six, third and two to three world.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Another big thing that came out of it was the
struggles of the offensive line, and so how can the
offensive line than be helped with protection calls?

Speaker 8 (10:06):
Yeah, just over communicating, getting those reps in practice as
many as you can and going from there.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
So how much of all of this is fixable? Going
into a matchup with the sixth rand team in the country, Oklahoma.

Speaker 8 (10:18):
Yeah, all of it's fixable. We got a talented group.
We're young, but we're gonna continue to get better each week,
and we're gonna be a tough team to be Okay.
And one more from March this hour. How does he
encourage the team as its quarterback?

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (10:33):
Obviously as a quarterback, you try to do that throughout
the game. Talk to the offense. Today, I'm just to
lock into the details and go from there. I got
to have a good practice tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
All right.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
All right, So there you are some sound from March Man.
We'll hear more from March coming up over the course
of the show in hours two and three. One other
thing we're gonna do again today like we did yesterday,
We're gonna give away a pair of tickets to the
Texas Stars on Saturday night at the ATB Center and
Cedar Park.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
We'll tell you more about that coming up. You'll need
to use the talk back feature.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
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Speaker 3 (11:22):
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Speaker 1 (11:24):
Up next, we visited Keith Morland talked a little bit
about these baseball playoffs.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
When we continue on thirteen under the Zone.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
The Immortal TV Rayvaughn on a Textan Tuesday in the
two o'clock hour here on thirteen hundred Z.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
I'm glad to have you with us.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Coming up a few minutes, we'll have Inconceivable, which will
include in our junk food fast food update some of
the great ballpark cuisine going on during these playoffs. We'll
get to that, among other items as well. Speaking of
Textan Tuesday, next guest, of course, is a native Texan,
a lifetime Longhorn, former outstanding option quarterback.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
In his high school football playing days at r L.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Turner played in the secondary of Texas for coach Royal,
but also, of course, was a three time All American
in baseball and spent a dozen years plus in the
BIGS and broadcast partner on Long Horn Baseball with Keith Morland. George,
I'm going completely off the grid here.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
I asked you to.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Come on because I want to talk to you about
the wheel play. Last night in the baseball playoffs, and
I'll get to that. But you worked with Cameron Parker
on the McNeil Vandergriff telecast for k XAM plus the
other night. Do you have any kind of a handle
on what's going on in twenty five to six A.

Speaker 9 (12:38):
I have no earthly idea, And I thought I knew
the district pretty well. We knew what was going on
the way Round Rock started and now has started to
come on. And then on the other side of that,
the way Vandy struggled in that opener. You had that
game against Cedar Park, but I had really thought they'd
rided the ship. I can't tell you what's going to happen,
but I know one thing. The mcmill Mavericks put themselves

(12:59):
in great position with a heck of a.

Speaker 10 (13:01):
Ball game on Friday night.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay, so consider this from this is something I texted
to you, to you and Cameron the other night. So
y'all we already have this in the file. McNeil has
beaten Vandergriff, Vandergriff has beaten Vista Ridge, Vista Ridge has
beaten Round Rock, Round Rock has beaten McNeil, and Huddle
is unbeaten in district, and how about this For this week,

(13:23):
Huddle plays Round Rock and Vista Ridge plays McNeil.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
This week.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Huddle's last three games are at home against Vandergriff at
Vista Ridge, and at home against McNeil. So it may
be a few weeks before we get this thing figured out.

Speaker 9 (13:39):
Oh, I don't think there's a question about it. And
it's always fun. I mean, when you get to the
second Saturday in October, is there anything more fun?

Speaker 10 (13:48):
You got to Major league? For me?

Speaker 9 (13:50):
Anyway, you got the Major League playoffs. You know how
I feel about high school football. I think it's the
lifeblood of everything in sports. I just think it's such
a unique thing. And then what's going to take place
in Dallas on Saturday is always something that people don't
realize how special it is because it's special.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
You've had some pretty famous quotes through the years, but
I don't think anyone was more impactful to people the
quote when you said you stood at the plate in
the World Series for the Philadelphia Phillies in nineteen eighty
against the Kansas City Royals and you said if and
I'm paraphrasing, you can straighten me out if I'm off base,

(14:28):
on this where you said, I've had this feeling before
where you literally don't feel your feet touching the ground,
and you remembered it was when you were in the
tunnel at the Cotton Bowl before Texas.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Ou is that sort of correct?

Speaker 10 (14:42):
You know?

Speaker 9 (14:42):
Yes, Craig, the teams used to walk down together. They
don't dare do that anymore, right, I mean, but at
that time you walked down and you looked over and
I would see, you know, Greg Thrutt and Joe Wassington.
And then then on my side, I'm looking at Doug
English and Roosevelt Leaks and O cam I'm going, this
is you know what, this is pretty special. And then

(15:02):
I stepped out in my first bat in the bet
in the bed at Philadelphia, in my first play appearance
in the World Series, and there's cameras going off and
I'm going, I've.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
Only seen this one.

Speaker 9 (15:12):
It felt like this one other time, and that's walking
down that tunnel. So you know, it's just such a
great time. You got to measure leage playoffs going on
in which are very interesting, and I know we want
to get to that. And then obviously the high school
football situation in the area is just so much fun
right now, and then the last part of it is
going to cummin eate Saturday at two thirty in the Cotton.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Bowl, absolutely visiting mcckith Morland here on the thirteen hundreds.
And okay, let's go to the baseball playoffs before I
get to the Nationalague. Let me get your thoughts in
the americanly because Game three of Tigers and Mariners will
start at the top of the hour.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
It's one to one. It's been two really good games.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
This is the one series out of the four that
that has definitely been the outlier. First of all, it's
the only one where one team isn't up to nothing,
and both games have come down to the wire, the
first one going of an innings, the second one coming
to Julio Rodriguez double in the bottom of the eighth
being the difference there. How do you see this Tigers
Mariner series?

Speaker 11 (16:07):
Now?

Speaker 1 (16:07):
As they as they worked to Game three this afternoon.
The next two games are in Detroit, UH, and we're
told there may be a little bit of a delay
due to rain there, so we'll see how that is.

Speaker 10 (16:22):
I think there's some weather issues.

Speaker 9 (16:24):
And before we can get there, let me just back
up a second, pitching was so important in the walk
Art series. You just saw what it meant. All the
games came right down. There was very little scoring. You
knew once you get through that because there is more pressure,
and people don't realize that there's more pressure playing in
that particular series that get to the next level than

(16:46):
it is maybe to get to a championship series where
you've got a long series where you can say we
can have a bad game here or there. So there's
so much intensity in those short playoff series, and pitching
was just dynamite. The only series now that you picked
that out, the only series is really held up pitching
wise as well, excluding last night's Phillies game Dodger game,

(17:07):
which I thought was a very well pitched game. The
other games pitchers have struggled and we've seen offenses get
involved except this series.

Speaker 10 (17:14):
And I think it's so important for Detroit to take
care of business at home.

Speaker 9 (17:19):
I just cannot see them getting in a situation where
they got to go back to Seattle on win two
ball games. I just I just just can't see them
moving forward if that happened. So that's one of this
game today. It's so important if they if and when
they get it started.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, they've got Jack Clarerty going today and Logan Gilbert's
going for the Mariners. If it does get back to
Seattle for Game five, that that I could definitely see
aj Hinch rolling out Trek Scuball on short rest to
do it one day's last rest.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
Do you do you see it similarly?

Speaker 10 (17:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (17:54):
I do.

Speaker 10 (17:55):
I mean you can't.

Speaker 9 (17:57):
It's hard to go home and look at yourself all
winter along if you had a bullet that.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
You didn't pull.

Speaker 10 (18:01):
And I go back to eighty four, we had Rick.

Speaker 9 (18:03):
Suttiff ready to go in Game five and the Championship
Series in San Diego. He was a cy Young Award
winner that time, and our head, our manager decided to say,
we're gonna go another route.

Speaker 10 (18:14):
We're gonna have him ready for the World Series. You
gotta get there first. You got to get there first.
You can't. You can't count your chickens before they hatch.

Speaker 9 (18:21):
So you just got to get there. So that's interesting.
And then you know, I think the Yankees are in
real trouble. Uh just this moving forward with each series.
I think that's a real troubling series. I do think
that the Cubs will play well at Wrigley when they
get back. But that's they may be in as much
trouble even though I'm rooting for him as much as

(18:43):
as hard as I can.

Speaker 10 (18:44):
And then the last one.

Speaker 9 (18:45):
Is is is your favorite team playing a team that
I want a World Series with?

Speaker 10 (18:50):
So last night was a really interesting ball game and
how that turned out.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
No doubt.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
All right, let's let's shift to that.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
And I was talking about a little bit in the
first segment of the sharh uh. So it gets to
the ninth inning and Los Angeles is up for to
one and Blake trying to have the pen. Dodger fan
would say, God, I don't know why, but anyway, he's.

Speaker 10 (19:10):
Here's any other word other than that.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yes, So he comes south and uh and and promptly
gives up two runs without recording it out.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
And Castiano's got.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Did a really good job, I thought, on the slider
that was Alazon to flick it down the left field
line there, uh to to get the double and so
it got the runs home. And so now it's a
four a three ball game, and Roberts is going to
the pen to bring out alex Vessia and uh so
uh with uh with the bunt situation coming up, and uh,

(19:44):
Bryston st and Bryson Stott is pinch hitting. Thank you
for Edmundo Sosa, so he's coming to the plate, he's
going to lay down the bunt and we and and
you know me, I watch every postgame thing, whether my
team's involved in or not. I watch a lot of
the postgame I want to hear the managers and players
have to say. And the universal response was that when

(20:06):
they came together, Mookie Betts said to Max Munsey, we
got to run the wheel play. We got to run
the wheel play. And Dave Roberts came out and hearing
him about it, it sounds like he had the same idea.
They got to the mound and he's like, yeah, you guys,
you can run it and make sure you got it going.
So explain to folks, A the idea behind it, b

(20:28):
how it's executed, and c the degree of difficulty when
it's a non force plays as the Dodgers were having.
They were going to have to have a tag play
at third on Castianos because there was not a runner
at first base. And I know you and I have
done a lot of long run baseball games and I've
seen Texas coaches and other coaches use that wheel play,

(20:49):
but it seems to me every time I saw it
put on, it was in a force play situation with
runners in first, runners at first and second base.

Speaker 10 (20:59):
Craig, you're right, first of all that made that.

Speaker 9 (21:02):
Decision, and I'm glad everybody was on the same page
with it, because you can you can not only preserve
the game and preserve the victory, which they did by
performing well, but the other part of that, if you
don't do it well, you got a really good chance
to lose the game right there in that moment because
you're going to more than likely if you run it.
You try to get the guy at third, and most
times it's really tough and difficult to get. Then you

(21:24):
got first and third in nobody out. So let's start
with that. So it starts with you got to know
who's on the mounds. That's one of the first things,
and that might have been one of the thinking that
Lookie Betts and Dave Roberts had. Obviously, our guy on
the mound doesn't move well. He's not a great fielder.
If you have Greg Maddox on the mound, you probably
don't put the wheel play on. He was so good
at fielding his position he could get to a bunch

(21:45):
quickly and make that same throw that instead of having
to run the wheel play. The second one is the
communication from the catcher. As an ex catcher and a
third baseman, the one thing you got to know is
you have got to make sure that guy's running with
his back to the run and the runner may have
broke with Mookie, so you you've got to let him
know you've got a shot. You're coming up seeing third, third, third,

(22:07):
or first. You know it's instantly out of your mouth.
So that communication has got to be perfect. And then
the last thing is the guy at second base can't
give it away and what I mean, the shortstop Mookie
Bets cannot give away that you're doing it and let
that and take off so quickly in front of that runner,
because if the runner doesn't see it perfect bunt, he
may hold up. So there's timing, there's everything that happens.

(22:30):
And you know what, they don't work on this in
the regular season. They didn't work on it this week
and bunt kind of practice they're hanging out in spring training. Yes,
they worked on it all the time. This is six
months away from the last time they probably had run
this play, and they ran it to perfection. And you,
like you said, you just don't see it without it
being first and second and nobody else in a man
on second and no outs. But I think the Dodgers

(22:54):
probably were looking at that scenario thinking this is our
best chance to.

Speaker 10 (22:58):
Come out of here too, and oh and go home
with a two zero lead.

Speaker 9 (23:01):
And I thought it was very aggressive for everybody's style
and then execute it as well as he could ever be.

Speaker 10 (23:08):
I looked at the replay again three or four times
this morning.

Speaker 9 (23:11):
Everybody did exactly what they were supposed to go bets
did not lose leave until the ball was being delivered.
And the other part of that, the last thing it
I'll throw out there. The pitcher's got to throw a
strike and force the guy to bunt. You have to
throw a strike there because it doesn't work if it's
second pitch and it's one and oh or oh to one.

Speaker 10 (23:30):
It's really difficult to get that out of third. Best.
You got to make it all happen on that one pitch.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
That's a great it's a great point because Alex Vassio,
when he misses, he usually misses upstairs.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
He misses a pie.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Uh, but but he throws the strike, he gets bunted
down there months he breaks and then they and then
there's two other there's a couple other wrinkles about this too,
Keith one. Uh, you know, and I heard a lot
of people talk about this, and you see it on
the replay once he's like a quarterback and that he's
throwing to a spot. He's not throwing right to the bag.
Mookie's on the run. And you're right, he didn't give

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away the intent and and a lot of people were
wanting to blame Castianos for not breaking sooner, but Muki
didn't give it away. And so then as he's exactly right. Yeah,
so then as he's breaking.

Speaker 10 (24:12):
Replay from home plate.

Speaker 9 (24:13):
I loved the second replay that I saw that waned
from the home plate camera where you see Bets. He's
not even creeping up, he's right there. You see Costallano
turn and look at him and then look back toward
the picture, and as soon as he turns his head,
it was like a break to go behind him to
take a throw at second base.

Speaker 10 (24:30):
He broke for third.

Speaker 9 (24:31):
And he was there, so okay, that allowed Munsey to
lead him a little bit and allowed Betts to you know,
sort of gather himself to make the play where he'd
get his eyes level because you always hear me talk
about outfielders. If you're running, sometimes the ball has a
tendency to bounce, especially one of his thung that firm
and that close to you.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah, all right, now there's there's one other one other
the part I wanted to get you your thought on
on this. And Rob Thompson, the Phillies manager, made a
reference to it in the postgame press conference. But Steve
Phillips on MLB Network, I thought, really drew it out well.
He said, Now this is clearly from the hindsight being

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twenty twenty department, But both of these guys said it,
and especially Phillip said it if Stott is really dialed
in looking but all clearly on his mind was to
focus in on laying down a bunt.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
But he said, if.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
He's really looking at the when he sees Mookie Brake
and Phillips choose this exact phraseology I first heard from you,
he said, I would have gone, butcher boy, play, pull
back the bat, slash it up the middle. Because now
that there's such a gap there because Edmund, the second baseman,
is breaking the first so it's wide open there up
the middle. He said, I would have gone butcher boy,

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and Thompson even said that. He said he could have
done that, but we thought the best option was to
go ahead and lay down the bunt. It's a tough
thing to execute, and obviously, hindsight being what it.

Speaker 9 (25:55):
Is, Yeah, you have to be pre yet pre thinking
in your mind that this may happen. And you just
said it first, first and second, Yeah, you're thinking they
may be coming chopping down on top of me.

Speaker 10 (26:07):
That old infield's moving. I know.

Speaker 9 (26:08):
I did it in the big leagues as a young player,
pulled it back and I had a third base that
was a good friend. Terry Pendleton came back to me
and he said, I saw my whole life flash because
he was right down on top of me and I
just did a weak grond all up the middle.

Speaker 10 (26:27):
I mean I made contact, got it by.

Speaker 9 (26:28):
The picture, and oh lord, the whole world was running,
you know, because but you have to be aware of that,
and that's something you're thinking because you're just not anticipating
the wheel play with nobody on first you know it's first,
and it's just a man on first and you're up
there at the bunt. You just you know, if you
get it down up the third baseline more times than not,

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you've done your job and everybody's gonna be high fiving
in the dugout.

Speaker 10 (26:54):
Well, that wasn't what happened, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
I want to ask you one other thing here before
I let you go the uh, because you're such a
student of the science of the game and the mechanics
of baseball in the way this thing works. Shoe Aotani,
of course, started the other night and did well six innings,
he got the win or whatever. There's a lot of
debate about show Hey, whether to use him as a

(27:15):
starter or out of the pen, and a lot of
this goes to the science of the rules themselves, for
a lot of folks didn't understand. And we see it
at the collegiate level quite frequently. We used to see
it every time Texas would play a Mark Marquis coach
Stanford team where one guy's listed as the pitcher slash
DH and you can do that, obviously, and the long

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runs have done it before, and you can do that,
and the guy who starts the game on the mound
can remain in the game as the DH as long
as it's predetermined or designated before the game begins. What
a lot of folks did not realize is for those
who are saying no, bring him out of the pen,
bring him out of the pen. If he starts as the DH,
then he goes to the mound and then is lifted.

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He can't be the.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
DH anymore, so he's out of the game. Yeah, So
I mean that's the game.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, And and and as important as he is to
that lineup, that's why I think, you know, that's why
I think you've got him at Shean and the bullpen,
and Clayton Kershaw in the bullpen and even Glass now
who was going to pitch three four days later coming
out to get five outs the other night, that sort
of thing. I don't think Dave Roberts wants to deal
with that possibility. If and and that's why we saw

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him start Otani and why if they had if they had.

Speaker 9 (28:29):
Been yeah, yeah, yeah, it's got to be an opener.

Speaker 10 (28:32):
You got to give it.

Speaker 9 (28:33):
If you want to give him the ball, you gotta
And you're saying I'm gonna go and get as much as.

Speaker 10 (28:37):
I can get out of him, and I'm gonna remain
the game in.

Speaker 12 (28:39):
The d H.

Speaker 10 (28:39):
You got to list him in both spots.

Speaker 9 (28:41):
If you bring him out in a ball game when
he's the d H, you obviously he's got to stay
in the game when he gets through a pitching if
you're going to take him out pitching, if you want
to keep that guy in the spot, and then whoever
the picture comes in, and wherever uh he moves to,
he has to the pitchers in the last. So it
is a it is a a cumbersome rule sometimes, but

(29:02):
I think it's the right rule.

Speaker 10 (29:03):
I don't think you should have ten players.

Speaker 9 (29:05):
I'm an old traditional It shouldn't be ten players that
you can play at all times with the exclusion of
the DH he hits for the pitcher.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah, yeah, And by the way, uh, like you said,
it would uh if you can get six innings out
of him, that'd be pretty good. And if he had
to if he came out of the bullpen, whoever replaced him,
like you said, would have to take his spot in
the order. Well, that's at the top of the batting order.
Since he's the leadoff guy. You don't have that you
know it's the best, maybe the best hitter in the game.
You know he's not coming out of the game. And

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then the flip side of that is a guy like
Will Smith who comes in and takes the place of
Art pet who's a left handed hitter, to get a
right handed batter in the lineup, and he's in the
nine spot.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
It's like having a cleanup hitter in the nine spot.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
He comes through with a big RBI singal to add
to the Dodger lead. I mean, that's that's managing work.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Isn't it. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 9 (29:53):
You've got you got to know your personnel and and
the other part of that is you.

Speaker 10 (29:56):
Got to give Dave Larberts a lot of credit.

Speaker 9 (29:58):
But so many times it's a bit coaches that are
thinking about this three things that's their job on the bench,
say if you want to do this, and then they're
talking about it, say if you want to do this
in this spot, you got to have this ready and
this ready.

Speaker 10 (30:10):
So it's you.

Speaker 9 (30:10):
Know, there's a couple of minds there because they're always spending.
Everybody thinks the games really could I think the quick
story is I told you I played with Sparky Anderson
for one season, and I was just amazed at how
how good his brain was and how many things he
was thinking about somewhere four or five hitters down the line.
You know, not not be in the lineup one day,
but he'd walked by you in the third inning at

(30:32):
Police Act. Comes into this game and this inning, you're
hitting for this guy in this scenario, and if you.

Speaker 10 (30:38):
Know, you don't even know it was happening.

Speaker 9 (30:40):
All of a sudden, you're looking up and the inning's
about to start and say, well, this could happen.

Speaker 10 (30:44):
I'm be ready so far ahead of his ahead of
what is going on. I mean, he talked the game.
He taught me a lot about the game, and I
was in my tenth year in the big leagues.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Uh, I'll end it where I started with you. You
and Roger Wallace have a good one on Friday Night
with Cedar Park and Rouse.

Speaker 10 (31:00):
Oh no doubt this. I think it's Georgetown and Ralph.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
I'm sorry, Georgetown and Ralph.

Speaker 10 (31:05):
Yeah, uh huh, yeah, it is a good one. Looking,
I was doing my charts while ago and I'm sitting
here going this could be Reno, really good matchup on plus.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, no doubt about that's on k XAM Plus on Friday. Hey,
I appreciate the time, thanks so much. I'll see you
around the corner.

Speaker 10 (31:20):
Sounds good.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
See all right, that's Keith Morland, a man of many
sports and seasons. Who Yeah, he's the science and the
strategy of baseball. So that's why they that old saying
goes is that you should go to the ballpark you
might see something you've never seen before.

Speaker 7 (31:38):
Right, And he's right. I pulled up the high home
during that conversation. The view from way up in the
press box, and there was some room up the middle,
and you can see that exact moment Mookie Bett starts
to sprint to third after Castianus turns his head.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, and all about the timing on that.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
All right.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Up next, we bring in Conceivable here on a Tuesday
afternoon on thirteen under.

Speaker 10 (31:58):
The zone.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Of the program here on Sports Radio AM thirteen hundred zone.
Greg Ay with you alongside the producer Jay Carman. Glad
to have you with us. First hour of the program.
Keep worling on with some great baseball knowledge about that
wheel play run in the Division Series game last night
between the Dodgers and the Phillies and some other baseball thing.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
We talked even a little high school football as well.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
And speaking of which, Greg Tepper, the editor in chief
of Dave Camles Texas Football Magazine, will join us in
a few minutes. We'll talk not only high school but
college football in the lone Star state. Speaking of which,
we heard a little bit of sound from Arch Banning
and our number one of the program.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Here's some more from Arch.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
The last thing we heard from him was about him
being questioned about how he encourages the team as the quarterbacking.
He talked about it all and to piggyback on that,
he was asked, was he given any advice from Quinn
Ewers about this game and the experience and them being
on the sidelines watching Wuin in this football game.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
Yeah, it was cool watching Quinn playing these games.

Speaker 8 (33:06):
Last year he played pretty banged up and still got
the win, and then the year before he came back
and through like what seventeen straight completion So it was
cool watching him.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
And this game is really unique. I think that's why a.

Speaker 8 (33:18):
Lot of a lot of our guys, a lot of
guys go to you to play text in this game.
A lot of guys come here to play you in
this game. So it's a it's a special one.

Speaker 10 (33:26):
All right.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
So he was asked about that all of the pressure
that was put on him and feeling under duress, did
he feel it? Did he did he have that feeling
going on throughout the game that they were practically the
Gator defensive linemen were right on top of him and
the blitzing linebackers and safeties.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Did he feel under duress during the whole game?

Speaker 8 (33:47):
I think once you get in third down and situations
and you're down, you got to throw the ball. It
makes it easier for these guys to pass rush. But
we're gonna we're gonna play better than that. And I'm
fully confident in.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
That, all right.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
And good play begins with good practice. So they had
their first practice of the week prior to this media availability.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Yeah, I thought we had a good practice.

Speaker 10 (34:07):
Thing.

Speaker 8 (34:07):
We need to continue to, you know, lock into the
details of the game plan and get better each week.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
We gotta go one tono this week, but we gotta go.
We gotta go one to know tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
And when it comes to veterans, a guy like Wwyn
Trevan Weisner Trey as he's known to his teammates and coaches,
and and the one veteran on the offensive front, DJ Campbell,
and then some of the other veterans like a DeAndre Moore.
Arch was asked about the is it the situation where
he and Trey among others visit with the O line

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and try to help them, encourage them as they try
to fight through some of this.

Speaker 8 (34:40):
I think all you can do is encourage and do
anything you can to help them play the best they
can do. And I think Trey's a really good leader
and he's done that from the jump since he's been here,
so it's cool to see.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
It was that, and then one more from March. Remember
that last drive of the game. They got the football
back and they actually got to the forty yard line
with about twenty seconds left, but then he was under
pressure and was ruled down as he released the ball
and couldn't get to the line of scrimmage quickly enough
to spike at to stop the clock could give them
one last throw to the ENDZ. But he was asked

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what was going through his mind on those final few
frantic snaps of the game.

Speaker 8 (35:18):
Credit Matt Cowell for coming in cold on the sideline
and getting a completion the first play, and that I
think we got a penalty there with more yards and I.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
Got a I can't take a sack in that situation.

Speaker 8 (35:31):
I gotta be a situational master there, and we got
to have a shot of getting the ball up in
the end zone at the end of the game.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
So that was on me.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
He was talking about when Matthew Colwell came off the
bench when Arch lost his helmet, had to come out
for a play in. Colwell threw a strike for completion
and a penalty had it on, but they just they
couldn't finish it from there. We'll hear some more from
March Manning coming up next hour. But up next, we
talked football with Greg Tepper, editor in chief of Dave
Campbells Texas Football Magazine.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
When we continue on thirteen under the Zone.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Okay, we continue here on thirteen under the Zone, and
of course we regale you coming back in the three
o'clock hour on a Texan Tuesday, Willie Nelson and the
song Dallas So what you know, why not why not
go up to the Dallas Fort Worth Metropleagues. Greg Tepper
is the editor in chief of Dave Campbe's Texas Football Magazine,
Correct me if we're wrong. The offices of Texas Football

(36:26):
Magazine are located in beautiful Lewisville, Texas. Are they not
just straight up by thirty five, halfway between Dallas and Detton.

Speaker 12 (36:33):
Yes, if you make your way up to Lewisville, you
can find the Dave Campbell's Texas Football Mothership. And yeah,
we're headquartered up here kind of north of north of town.
So although I'm sure Austin runs into the same thing too,
where it's like where what is Dallas? What is Austin? Right,
It's just it's this sprawl. I mean, it's hard to know.

(36:55):
We were talking earlier today. There's a big game this
week in Hudder. Hudder's got a huge game against Round
Rock in a critical, critical district twenty five six a
match up, and Hudder, I guess you can see Austin
from there, like maybe, but like the sprawl kind of
gives it that h that difficult.

Speaker 13 (37:14):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (37:15):
What I'm saying is that, like we're kind of having
a hard time drawing these boundaries of what actually represents
these cities, but we would be technically tallus I think.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, yeah, that's true, even though you're in a different
county in Eden County up there, and even though Huddo's
in Williamson County and in northeastern Williamson County at that. Uh,
but you're right there are people ask me a lot
of times where you live. I said in the Austin area.
When they say a where, and I say, well, Georgetown,
That's that's a solid thirty miles north. You know it's

(37:44):
up there. It's like I live in McKinney. You know,
I live in Dalli, you know up there. Yeah, well,
I'll tell you what we run into. So we divide
up the state in order to just from high school
football purposes, we divide up the state into twenty one
different regions. It's it's the only way to do it
to make the least amount of people mad. And yet
you are always going to to those edge cases are
going to be like where do you draw the line? Like, uh,

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you know, I'll give you a perfect example. Is you
think about like Parker County is east of is very
far west of DFW, and then that's where Alito is.
We technically consider a DFW, but you could call that
big country. You could call that any which number of ways.
And then don't get me started on places like uh
Super Syntax Region, which basically like Greater Greater Greater Waco,

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Greater Waco.

Speaker 12 (38:31):
Uh, It's it's impossible to to draw lines evenly around
the state. It's too unwielding.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
You know why that is.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
I'll tell you just from my own history of it
and living up in the Metroplex and all that other
kind of stuff.

Speaker 11 (38:43):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
Some of it has to.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Do with uh, you know, uh television markets. For example,
I saw that it was a week or two ago,
you guys had had a game listed and H. Lamp
Passes was in it and it was listed as Country. Well,
Lampes's is fifty miles northwest of Austin, you know, so
a lot of folks would take issue at that.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
But they were playing at b Country School.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
And so so it's like yeah, and and yet if
you talk to my broadcast partner, Roger Wallace, who's the
sports director at k x A N LAMB Passes, even
though it's fifty miles from Austin and it's about the
same southwest of Waco, is it considered part of the
Austin ADI you know, the market. So they're in those

(39:28):
areas I referred to as black holes. You know, how
many times have you gotten into it or I've gotten
into it, or at least into discussion with people about
what is East Texas? What is deep As East Texas
or Piney Woods? I mean, yeah, you know what, Well,

(39:49):
it's exactly right.

Speaker 12 (39:51):
You get into those those middle parts and you're exactly
right East Texas. That whole area is is kind of
like you get along the kind of the eastern border
of Texas and it is just it's a free for I.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
Mean, uh, you know, East Texas.

Speaker 12 (40:03):
I think generally like this is broad Strokes, Greater, Tyler, Greater, Greater,
Greater Tyler, Okay, uh, Piney Woods Greater, Greater, Greater like Nacdoches.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
Yeah uh.

Speaker 12 (40:17):
And then like and then you get down to the
Golden Triangle and there are people who will draw some
pretty pretty storing lines down there, but like Greater Beaumont
down there, but don't you dare consider it teams that
are Golden Triangle to be Houston. And it's just it's
it's a mess. It's it's a mess. That's that's why
I appreciate I appreciate the Rio Grand Valley because the
Rio Grand Valley has very distinct and they will get

(40:39):
onto you if you try to expand it a little
bit north, be like, yeah, well, like there's because there's
towns in between, like San Antonio and and the Rio
Grand Vine, Like Alice is a perfect example.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
What do you do with Alice? They are in they
are in no man's land right now.

Speaker 12 (40:52):
But don't you dare lump them in with the Valley
because I'll be like, no, no, no, no, Brownsville and Alice
are not are not the same, folks.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
No, And there's what I learned over there is upper Valley,
mid Valley, and Lower Valley. Oh yeah, and and and
don't and don't you dare put Laredo in there, because oh.

Speaker 12 (41:08):
There was a time we tried to lump Laredo in
there because we're like, oh, they're all along kind of
the Texas Mexico border, right and like both Rio Grand
Valley and Laredo. Was like absolutely not, no, no, no.
So we learned our lesson pretty quick on that.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
And people out on the South Plains is it don't
call us West Texas ru on the South Plains.

Speaker 12 (41:24):
And and we're not in the pan don't call on
the Panhandle either. Don't call the Panhandle either that's Amarillo are.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
Not the same.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
That's always great, great geography lessons here the geography of
college football in this state. In looking at the uh
the Dave Campbell's Texas Football uh FBS power Pole. Uh,
some folks would have felt as preposterous for the season began,
but uh, here's Texas down to number six and ranked

(41:54):
ahead of them Texas A and M in the one spot,
Texas Tech to two, TCU three, Baylor four and head
some of you five, and A and M and Texas
Tech certainly have done nothing to shake up what their
situation is right now because both of those teams.

Speaker 6 (42:08):
Are on a roll.

Speaker 12 (42:10):
Yeah, part of it, Part of it is just that,
you know, you look at team. Part of it has
been obviously Texas's tumble, and I think you guys have
probably talked enough about that. But a lot of this
is also just A and M and Tech have looked
just spectacular.

Speaker 6 (42:23):
I mean, for for A and M.

Speaker 12 (42:25):
You know, last week, I thought in their win over
Mississippi State, after starting off relatively slow, for them to
get that ground game going through ban Owens and then
that defense to really step up, a real complete win,
like a complete win and I think that's something that
a lot of programs across the state, including Texas, have
kind of been chasing, is that complete win. And I

(42:45):
think the same thing can be for what Texas Tech is.
And I know we've we've talked about this, but the
fact that Texas Tech is winning the way that they do,
and the fact that they are winning a defensive football
I mean, playing and simple, this is a This is
a This is a team who you can make the
real argument their defense is better than their offense. I mean,
they are ninth in the nation in score in total

(43:07):
defense right now. Uh, they have been excellent defensively and
by the way they are running the ball when they
have had a little bit of you know, in a
in a universe in which you know Tech Tech does
have the number one, uh, you know, total offense in
the in the nation, but in a universe in which
Texas Tech has kind of been bouncing between a pair
of quarterbacks and parent Morton will Hammond and both have

(43:30):
looked good. It kind of hasn't mattered all that much
because Cameron Dickey's been so good and Jacoby Williams has
stepped up and they've got this kind of bevy of
backs back there who've led the way on the ground,
and so I think those two teams certainly look very complete.
I thought TCU has looked very good, uh last week
with a with a good win over Colorado, uh, and

(43:51):
then and then Baylor as well. Baylor, I think, uh,
it was it hasn't always been pretty and hasn't always
been easy, but a win over Kansas State or is
a win, and they were able to get done and
s ME won and oen conference play right now. You know,
it's funny to say because the flagship program in Texas
is in the crosshairs right now, and not for good reasons,

(44:13):
but it's but college football from an FBS perspective, cross
state of Texas, not even mentioning North Texas, who has
a huge game this week in South Florida, the college
football is pretty healthy at the FBS level in the
state of Texas. The majority of these programs have have
looked very very good and have reason to be in
their respective conference title races.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Other than and this is a big other, but other
than a trip to tenp on October eighteenth, is there
anybody that you can see realistically beating Texas Tech and
them not being unbeaten going into the Big Twelve championship game.

Speaker 12 (44:52):
You know, look, Arizona State, obviously on the road, is
going to be tough, and and the thing about it is,
I think the Big Twelve is such that every one
of these games is going to They're gonna have to
put their best foot forward. And I don't think Texas Tech,
and I think Joey McGuire would agree with this. I
don't think that they have done enough historically to get

(45:14):
that benefit of the doubt where they can go out
there and they play a team like Kansas this week
and they can just throw their jock on the field
and they're gonna win the ball game.

Speaker 6 (45:21):
I just don't think they they've earned that yet. But
you take a look at their.

Speaker 12 (45:25):
Schedule, and that's why I think that win over over
Utah was so important, because that really did represent the
big land mine there. Now they've got Arizona State you
mentioned in Tempe in a couple of weeks, and then
you know, they get BYU at home. Aside from that,
you know, Kansas State has traditionally been a bit of

(45:45):
a house of horrors for them up there in Manhattan,
but that feels like a beatable team.

Speaker 6 (45:51):
I'll tell you what I mean.

Speaker 12 (45:53):
Right now, my guess is the Texas Tech is going
to be favored in the remainder of their ball games
and look in at a twelve and oh mark and heading
to the conference championship game, which was obviously always step
one for them. And we talked in the in the preseason,
you and I about how the bar for Texas Tech
was to, you know, at least play for the Big

(46:14):
Troll Championship. They didn't play for the Patrol Championship. It
was probably gonna be a might cost Joy mguire's job.
Right now, they're certainly trending in the right direction, and
look the part of the team to beat in the
conference in your opinion, bigger game this week Texas A
and M hosting Florida, North Texas hosting South Florida. It's
North Texas hosting South Florida. Because I'll tell you what

(46:37):
you know, you start again, you start talking about teams
that have a lot to gain here, North Texas they
beat South Florida this week, and then you suddenly really
start having trouble finding their loss and you start talking
about a team with not just a legitimate chance at
playing for an AAC championship, not just a legitimate chance

(46:58):
of winning the AAC Championship, but also a legitimate chance
of making the College Football Playoff. The path is there
for them, and and right now they have looked the
part and a lot of it ultimately, I mean, it
is a resurgent defense. Their their defense has been significantly better.
But offensively, the balance they've got with Mackenzie McGill running

(47:19):
the ball and Drew Messamaker throwing the ball, they are
just they are a team you don't want to.

Speaker 6 (47:23):
Face right now.

Speaker 12 (47:24):
And it's going to be presumably a really nice crowd
in Denton on Saturday or Friday night. Rather this is
a big, big game for them, and if they are
able to pull out this win, this does feel like,
you know, UTSA is always going to give them trouble,
you know, But I will say that, and the Navy
is Navy is always a bit of a mystery box.
But I will say that you take a look at

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the way that that things have kind of shaken up
for them, and I would say that if you get
past this week, North Texas can really start dreaming big
dreams about what they want, what they what they think
this this team can look like.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yeah, it makes that game against Navy on November first
looked like the final mile marker that they have to box.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
They have to check off otherwise.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
All Right, so we're talking football here with Greg Tapper,
editor in chief Dave Campbell's Texas Football Magazine. Let's shift
to high school football. I'm gonna ask you two questions.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
I don't know if.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
There's any relation at all, probably not between the two,
but I do find it interesting in the new rankings
this week that you have out in the top twenty five,
there are five teams who were not ranked a week ago.
Woodland's College Park at twenty, Rockwall Heath at twenty two,
Siblosteel twenty three, and they had been ranked at one

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point tom Ball twenty four, in si Fair twenty five.
There are so there's five teams there that were not ranked.
There's also not as much hubbub, shall I say about
duncan Villdesota as I can remember in some past years.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
And I don't know if the two are related.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
But I guess my point is is the relationship between
that and a more wide open.

Speaker 12 (49:03):
Six A this year? Yeah, I think you have been
nail on the head. This is a This is a
story about parody, and parody has come to class six
A in A in a classification which has largely been
in past years. You and I have talked about it
about how there are years where it's like, all right,
wake me up when we get Duncanville De Soto, you know,

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or wake me up when we get duncan Villain North Shore,
or wake.

Speaker 6 (49:27):
Me up when we get to these big games.

Speaker 12 (49:30):
Six A has felt a lot more like, quite frankly,
like four A or like three A, where it's, oh,
any team can beat any team any week, and you know,
for we look this up. This is the first time
that duncan Villa and De Sota will play one another,
and neither team is undefeated since twenty fifteen, so it's
been ten years since they've since neither team has been

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undefeated entering this game, and it is a fascinating ball
game with a lot on the line, because if you're
Duncanville and you lose this game, you are looking at
being the second second D one seed out of District
eleven six A. And then for DeSoto, you know, all
the good vibes that you've been able to put together
over the past three weeks where they kind of got
off the mat after a ruffo and to start, all

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those vibes kind of go out the window. There's a
lot to lose in this game, I think, for both
these teams. But I think that you're right, there is
kind of this new blood, this new group of teams
that I think have established themselves that people are talking about.
You know, just even just look at the undefeated teams,
right just look at the undeated teams that are rank South.
Obviously they are big brand names, but who haven't been

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to the mountaintop recently, like South Lake, Carol and Allen.
You've got relative new blood in the Houston area like Humble,
Summer Creek and Fort ben Ridgepoint and Dickinson. Of course,
you know Lake Travis is in there as well. But
Paarland's having a great year. And then you've got Dripping
Springs having a great year per usual. But then you've
got teams like North Forty. You've got teams like the
Woodlands College Park, who's coming off of a huge win

(50:54):
over Willis last week. San Antonio Harlan, a relatively young
program down there in the in the Alamo City, is
a very deep year in six A, and I think
that it's a very evenly matched team year that right now,
you know, I feel good about the two teams we
have at the top in South Lake Carolin Allen. They
have looked like the two best teams in six A
week in and week out. But it also I think

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stands to reason that what we've seen from Class six
A is that you cannot take any week and any
game at face value because these two, this classification I
think has reached a certain level of parody that is
going to make it really fun as we enter these
district races where the games start to really matter.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Yeah, to your point, I've got a pretty good game
I think matchup this week with San Antonio Johnson and
San Antonio Reagan. Neither one is ranked TV though Johnson
is unbeaten, and in the highest ranked San Antonio area
school is the aforementioned Harlan. So I mean it speaks
to a lot of different you might say, contenders for

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the crown if you will.

Speaker 12 (51:57):
Well, and I would say this that you know your
game this week. The Stone Oak super Bowl is a
perfect example of what I mean. You would look at
the records in this game and you'd say, okay, Johnson
and Entry five and oh, they've been fantastic. Love what
they've been able to do offensively. They were excellent last
week and in kind of overmatching Santoina Roosevelt.

Speaker 6 (52:18):
I love Elvis astro out of their quarterback.

Speaker 12 (52:20):
And then you look at Reagan, they're like, okay, well,
two and three, it's a down year for Reagan.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
I hey, one, don't.

Speaker 12 (52:28):
I think Reagan's better than their record indicates at two
and three and two. You add in the rivalry aspect
of it, and if you told me if you woke
me up on Saturday morning and said, hey, by the
way you slept your Friday night, just to let you
know Reagan b.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
Johnson, I'd be like, yeah, okay, that makes sense to me.

Speaker 12 (52:43):
I think that that is perfectly emblematic of kind of
the parodo we've come to expect in that there's these
rivalry games within districts, teams know each other really well.
I think you've got that, and you can take that
same idea and expand it out to the entire state,
where now there is parody within across the higher state
that will make this a really fun kind of finish

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to the season, simply because there's going to be a
couple of games that throw everything into flux. I'll give
you an example last week McNeil's win over Vandergrift. I
cannot tell you, guys how crazy that makes District twenty
five to six A like. It's that is the kind
of the kind of game that if you had just
penciled it in as a W for Vandergrift, suddenly you

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have to go back and not just erase that, but
erase a lot of the other priors you have about
District twenty five six A, just those. We're getting more
and more of those, which I think makes this a
particularly fun classification to watch. In the past, it hasn't
always been that fun. It's been kind of like, Okay,
we're marching. We're waiting till it's regional final week or
stet semi final week before we can really get those
clash of titans. Those classes are happening now and we're

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getting some surprising results of that.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Yeah, as a result, it would be everybody below. Vandergriff
was in that crazy soup that we used to talk
about a lot on the show. Now the soup include
it's Vandigriff with all of those permutations that I texted
you about the other night. It's nuts right now in
that district.

Speaker 12 (54:06):
And to that point we mentioned it off the top,
that game in Huddle is enormous with round Rock and
Huddo because those are two teams. For Huddo it's an
opportunity to stay out of the soup, and for round
Rock it's an opportunity to maybe emerge from the soup
and take there and drag Huddo back into the soup
with them. It is a mess in the best possible way,

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which which makes for high stakes football here in week seven.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
You know, I look at that thing, just keeping it
on that district for a moment, and what we were
talking about the fact that McNeil beat Vandergrid, Vandergriff beat
Vista Ridge, Vista Ridge beat Round Rock, Round Rock beat McNeil.
This week you have McNeil playing Vista Ridge, which is big,
Huddle and round Rock which is big as you mentioned.
And the last three games for Huddle are home against

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Vandigriff at Vista Ridge and at home against mc neil.
This thing's going down to the final hours again, it
looks like, except this time maybe all four spots are
up for grabs.

Speaker 6 (55:03):
Oh, I think so and and so.

Speaker 12 (55:05):
If you're huddle coach Eli Reinhardt, like, things have been good,
you've been trending in the right direction, and you've won
the games you're supposed to. After that week one loss,
Sat Marcus, you're trending in the right way. There is
still so much work to do out in front of
this and you and it starts this week. There is
like coaches will tell you, oh, you know, every district game,
you take it seriously, you stack it up, you know,

(55:25):
you make sure you're your your your mind is right
for every game, and they're not lying. But at the
same time, there's a lot of coaches who, if you
get them behind closed doors, be like, yeah, we're playing
the last place.

Speaker 6 (55:35):
Team in district. We're gonna take care of it. Twenty
five six A.

Speaker 12 (55:39):
Legitimately, if you do not have your head screwed on
straight every single week, you're gonna get dragged down in
the mud. And if you get into the mud, there's
no guarantee you're getting out of it. Because this district
is so balanced and there have been enough results that
have turned this whole thing upside down.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
All right, Let me give you three games and you
can tell me which one you would teleport too if
you could be at one. One of them would be
the aforementioned Duck and Bvildesota. That would that would be
one of them, one of them. The second choice of
that would be Salina hosting Sulfur Springs, which in your

(56:18):
poll is number one against number six in the state.
And uh, then what was the third one I had down?
The third one I had down was this is not
the right paper. Hold on now I'm just searching for it.
Now I had the third one, hear, and now I've
lost it. I'll tell you this. So Solina Sulfur Springs,

(56:42):
it was.

Speaker 12 (56:42):
It was the Crop Bowl Lindsay Munster. Okay, well that's
the answer. The answer is monster Lindsay. Okay, But I'll
tell you what. Sliin and Sulfur Springs is one of
only two matchups of UI l unbeatens this week, Salina
Sulfur Springs. The other one is George weston Odom, which
is a real like sicko super like if you are
into high school football like Odom and Otam and George

(57:04):
West is like a man. Two of the top three
offenses in three Division two going out anyway one of them,
George Westlans is a lot to It's great, Okay, all right,
the answer is to crowd bowl.

Speaker 6 (57:14):
It is their fifty sixth meeting.

Speaker 5 (57:16):
I think it is.

Speaker 12 (57:18):
And Lindsay. I think it's really quietly. It's Lindsay Munster.
By the way, Lindsay is very quietly put together a
great season five and zero. They've got a young quarterback
who's really blossom. I think his name is Nolan Flowers.
I think it's springs to mind. I think their defense
has been great. Munsters had their number. Munsters won nine

(57:39):
to the last ten. This game is at Hornet Stadium.
It's hard to see the state, the defending state champs
going down. They're three and two, but their two losses
are to a state ranked three eighty two team in
Holiday and a team that could be ranked in three
eighty one in Pottsborough.

Speaker 6 (57:53):
I think this is a whale of ball.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
Game two.

Speaker 12 (57:55):
If you don't know, two German Catholic towns separated by
about ten miles up in kind North Texas, and it's
it's like the friendliest rivalry you'll ever see like these
Like these, it's basically one community.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
Up there all know each other very very well.

Speaker 12 (58:09):
We all know, oh yeah, there's keen on on both
sides and stuff and so. But it'll be a great
ball game. And I think I like Munster, but that's
that to me is the game of the week.

Speaker 6 (58:19):
I'm really excited about the crapp bol.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Okay, And I'm going to tell you in advanced spoiler
alert when you put that up for me when I'm
on with you on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
That's my choice. Also just saying, just saying.

Speaker 12 (58:29):
I'll pretend but ill on the air, I'll pretend that like,
oh wow, what a shocking revelation.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
Yeah, yeah, right, all right.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
He's Greig Temper, editor in chief Dave Campbell's Texas Football Magazine.
Appreciate the time, tamp will see you absolutely, boys, take care.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
All right.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Uh, that's Greg Temper there, and it is. If you've
ever been to a Lindsay Munster game, you'll you'll know
what I'm talking about.

Speaker 8 (58:49):
It.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
It's a great, great river. I think they're exactly twelve
miles apart on US eighty two. They have German Fest
in Munster every year and they have and they're both,
like he said, historically German Catholic rooted communities. They know
each other really, really well, and it's a great rivalry.

Speaker 5 (59:13):
It really is a monster.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Is an outstanding program at the Penning State champ They're
the highest ranked two lost team in the state rankings,
the number two and two eight Division two with a
three and two record. As he pointed out, punching up
class playing two higher classification really good teams accounts for
their two losses. And Lindsay's unbeaten. So that's one to
keep an eye on, all right. Well, here from Brian Schotneimer,

(59:35):
the Cowboys head coach, up next on thirteen under his
own hearing from that little old band from Taxa z
Z Top. I think I worked four zsy Top tours
in my concert vending days thinking about it. One was
on I worked. I remember a show at Reunion Arena
in Dallas was New Year's Eve, January December thirty first,

(01:00:01):
nineteen eighty and we had these long sleep T shirts.
It was easy top on the front and all this
stuff we call them jerseys. Back to them, they were
long sleep T shirts. On the back it said here
like ha r, like you're hearing something here it come
eighty one. I always remember that I worked a couple
other tours and they had a mini tour that they did,

(01:00:22):
like in the Pananda in West Texas and up in
Oklahoma City. It was always it's always a good money maker.
When I was putting myself from school, I can tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
That those like those softball jerseys, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
That's exactly what they were. And we used to call
them jerseys. You know a lot of people just refer
to them as long sleep t shirts.

Speaker 7 (01:00:40):
See I lived in the Midwest before this. I know
my softball jerseys absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
That's what it was like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
So yeah, that worked quite a few Zzy Top probably
more zz Top and Van Halen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Than anything else that worked in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
But I but I did tell everybody that I sold
merchandise for and work a lot of Journey shows. Went
on tour with Journey in the summer of eighty three.
But probably worked, as I said, everything from a CDC
to Lawrence Welke. You know, even Lawrence Wilkes had in

(01:01:13):
his band. Frank Sinatra did a lot of different stuff
like that, and Seezy Top was a big part of that.
On the text line, somebody said, just got hipped to
some of the Dave Campbell's Texas Football podcast good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
It is the TEP and Step podcast with the high.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
School football is really good and there's also college football
stuff on there as well. Also said, not a player,
just a rando who scammed a field pass. I followed
the Texas team down the field. Thanks Bill Little, Yeah,
the late great Bill the Little said my feet were
off the ground. Then Stony Clark sealed the game. Now

(01:01:49):
that would have been the Texas OU game in nineteen
ninety four when Texas won that one seventeen to ten
of Oklahoma. And and then somebody else, our man Seapal
said over the years the Oklahoma game can be rough.
On the first time starting quarterback for both teams, they

(01:02:10):
usually think it's better to start a Texas quarterback on
the Texas end. It's a seapalb in the two the
one with Earl in seventy six, that was the six
to sixth tie. That was the final Texas OU game
for coach Royal in seventy six, and he said in
colt in nine it was an excellent game as well. Yeah,
there's you know, there was a report that came down

(01:02:33):
the day from Pete Tample from ESPN and He had
a report out today that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
Said that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Sources are indicating that Oklahoma quarterback John Mattier is pushing
to return this week for the game against Texas. There
is a belief that his return is possible as he's
reacted well to the surgery on his right hand. Hey, listen,
Sark was asked about it yesterday and he said, they're

(01:03:09):
preparing for a teer. They have to, he said, you
just you have to prepare for that with the understanding
that he very well could play, might not, but and
who knows, maybe that's also out there as a point
of distraction.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
It could be.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
So anyway, there's something to keep him an All right,
let's hear from the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys,
Brian Schottenheimer, from his weekly news conference talking about the
when they had over the New York Jets and moving
on from there. He was asked for his thoughts on
how successful his offense has been despite all the injuries,
especially on the offensive front.

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
I like the balance.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
I like the ability to when you're struggling to run
the ball a little bit like we were yesterday, it
doesn't take much.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
It takes an explosive run, great run.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Well, blocked with Javonte's run at the end of the
first half was just incredible. I really, you know, And
I like how the ball's being spread around.

Speaker 10 (01:04:09):
I really do.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
I like the balls going to different people. The flow
played great yesterday. You know, Ferguie's had a couple of
really good weeks for a guy that went through a
dry spell for a while. It's been good to get
him in the end zone a few times. But at
the end of the day, I'm just I'm really unpleased
with the way we're playing up front. And I think
that's what we talk about all the time, is owning

(01:04:30):
the line of scrimmage. And it's not always going to
be perfect when you play in this league because of
the elite defenders that you have on the defensive line.
But I think it all starts up front there. And
then of course, you know, DA's playing really, really well
right now. Okay, there's something from Brian schot Hammer. All right,
we'll be back to wrap up hour number two here
on thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Under the Zone, third and final hour of the program
here on Sports Radio AM thirteen hunderd the Zone here
on a text and two state Gregway with you alongside
the producer Jay Carman. In case you were looking for
a baseball up, they not want to give to you
right now because they're still being delayed by rain. They
have not started Game three of that Al Division series

(01:05:10):
between the Tigers and uh the Mariners in Detroit, so
they're gonna start at least an hour late, probably later
than that. Would be interesting to see how uh Fox
handles this with its networks because both those games televised
scheduled to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Be televised on FS one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
So if they say they're gonna put it on f
S two, that's gonna bother a lot of people. With
the the Yankees game because there's some systems that don't.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Have f S two so that they have to they
have to stream. Then they gotta they gotta figure it out. Yeah, uh,
it'll be interesting to see what they do on that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:49):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
I imagine there'll be some streaming involved with it as well.

Speaker 7 (01:05:52):
They can't partner let's see, I mean, they own the
Big ten network. They're gonna put not gonna put it
on there, No.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
But it could they could could partner it up with
MLB network.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
That might be the way they go. Yeah, it's it's
it's possible.

Speaker 10 (01:06:07):
On that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
We'll see on that coming up in a few minutes.
We'll talk some football with Oklahoma Sooners play by PLAYBOYE
Toby Roland.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
He'll join us in a few moments.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Let's say hear from the texaside, Trevor Gooseby, who's kind
of really emerging along with d J.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Campbell's the anchor that offensive front.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
The left tackle was asked about his assessment of that
difficult day for the offensive line and Saturday's lost at Florida.

Speaker 13 (01:06:31):
He's just got to execute better. You know all about
fundamental football. Just make sure our fundamentals are straight. You know,
there are a couple of players where you know, if
one guy does a little bit better with his fundamentals,
you know, it's a it's an explosive. So that and
then just training to finish. We just have to you know,
finish blocks better. And the same thing is like if
a guy finishes better, it turns the one yard round, No,
it's twenty yard round. You know, might be in a

(01:06:53):
completely different ball game by that point.

Speaker 10 (01:06:55):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
He was asked of it is it a matter of
this were group not playing well enough together or just
flat out getting out played.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
I think it's a little bit of both. You know.

Speaker 13 (01:07:05):
Obviously, you know the line last year, they had the
chance to play three years together, you know, the core
of it. You know, we're a new group of guys
that are still trying to fill it out and stuff,
and you know, so we'll.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
Definitely get it together and practice though for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
All right, So when a new guy comes in, in
other words, in the rotation of this, how does that
change affect what happens in the offensive front and him
for that matter.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
Uh, you know, it's kind of just more of a
chemistry thing.

Speaker 13 (01:07:30):
But you know, had I have great relationships with all three,
so like when they're on the field, you know, we'll
still be able to work as a duo as a tandem.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
So all right, So when you look at that tape
and you see things not look good on tape, the
old thing about the big guy and the sky outline,
how frustrated does he get?

Speaker 13 (01:07:48):
I mean definitely after a loss like that, I'm pretty
frustrated just as a whole for everybody, especially with my
playing my leadership, I think, you know, as an offensive line,
you know, we all have to play together, and that
starts with me being a leader and getting everybody on
the same page, and you know, my playoffs improve as well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
So all right, so what are the conversations like as
they all attempt to move forward from this?

Speaker 13 (01:08:08):
I think it's just a matter of you know, looking
at it and learning from it, because you know, obviously
we can't go back in time and change how we
you know, played now. It's all about you know that
having to us. It's all about the response. How we're
gonna spawn respond this week in practice? You know, how
is it gonna carry over, you know, practice of the
game this week.

Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
So so does.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
It make him all the more anxious then to right
the wrongs going into the next one?

Speaker 13 (01:08:31):
I mean, we're definitely heading into this week kind of
with a chip on our shoulder, but you know, we're
gonna be here now kind of mindset. You know, we're
just taking it one day at a time and making
sure that we're taking it one play at a time
as we go through practice and stuff and make sure
that everything's clean, you know, one play at a time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
So, in looking at that Oklahoma defensive front, what really
stands out to him about that.

Speaker 13 (01:08:49):
They're an amazing defense? I'll start with that. Definitely, they
have some really stout guys. They move a lot. You know,
they're they're super disruptive, especially you know, they just want
to try and cause chaos a lot of times. And
you know the key to that is just making sure
our feet and our eyes are doing are good.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
That and also the knowledge of the offense as well.

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
And back to that Florida loss.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Uh, you know the different looks and moves and stunts
and slants that they did. Did that h look different
than what they'd seen on film?

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
Uh, they definitely did. They found something that worked for us.

Speaker 13 (01:09:21):
They started bringing pet pressure and slants and you know,
they they seem to fund finds some success with that
and that that was kind of the game that we
were in, a big pressure game.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
So they did a lot of talk about what the
offensive lineman, what everybody's saying the arch to try to
pick him up, And Gooseby was asked about that about
what what kind of messages were they passing along the
arch after the game.

Speaker 13 (01:09:44):
Yeah, he just you know, made sure that we were
all just you know, mentally good, and I was making
sure he was mentally good as well, just because when
you go through a game like that, I thought Art
showed just amazing, you know, contact courage because you know,
forty two snaps and thirty five of them or he's
being pressured.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
It's tough to play quarterback in that sense.

Speaker 13 (01:10:03):
So I was super proud of him, and you know,
it kind of puts the onus on us, like we
have to do better in pass protection.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
So so did he obviously then pick up more respect
from his teammates because of what he went through on Saturday?

Speaker 10 (01:10:15):
I think so.

Speaker 13 (01:10:16):
I think the offense scene then it was like, you know,
that's a quarterback that you know we can rely on
to take the hits if needed, and you know it's
a quarterback that won't shy down from from taking hits
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
So I definitely think he hearns some respect.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Okay, so how about coach Flood, the offensive line coach,
how disappointed was he in all of this?

Speaker 13 (01:10:33):
He was disappointed, I would say, but you know, just
from the way that we played. We had a really
good week of practice and it just didn't carry over
to the game. But you know, we're in a new week,
so we're destined to you know, improve from that game
and learn from that game.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
So fall starts were a problem in the game, especially
in the second half of all the crowd noise. That
did the crowd noise really engender all of that?

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
I think?

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
So just how loud?

Speaker 13 (01:10:54):
And then you know, I got some new guys up
front them, you know, were a little jittery, So I
think that was a.

Speaker 10 (01:11:00):
That all right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
So how much belief is there still belief that he's
feeling from Sart I one.

Speaker 13 (01:11:04):
Hundred percent feel that belief from him, because you know,
he had the chance to and obviously he didn't, so
he trusts Flood, and Flood trusts us and so.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
I definitely have a belief too.

Speaker 13 (01:11:14):
You know, we just need to clean some little things up,
and you know, I think will be a really good group.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Goosby is from Melissa, which is about thirty miles north
of Dallas.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
They're up Central Expressway.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
But again, like we were talking about last hour, where Greg
Tepper kind of encompasses the whole area. So is it
fun for him to be going back to the Metroplex.

Speaker 13 (01:11:33):
It'll definitely be fun, especially because I grew up five
minutes from Fair Park, and you know, just seeing all
the things I used to see as a kid. Now
just playing in such a big game, you know, it's
gonna be an intense game, and you know, I love
you know, the intensity of this game and kind of
you know, what each team brings to it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
So that'll be awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:11:51):
Yeah, that was the deal.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
He was living in that pleasant growth section Doubts before
the family moved up to Melissa, where he ended up playing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
High school football. Did he always root for Texas Is
growing up?

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
I did.

Speaker 13 (01:12:01):
I did my mom, her whole side of the family
win here saw. I'm a third generation Longhorns, so you know,
I how to read my horns.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
All right, So he'll be taking that pride into the
game on Saturday, all right. Speaking to Texas ou up. Next,
we visited the play by play voice of the Oklahoma Sooners,
Toby Roland. When we continue on thirteen under the Zone
the Texas Oklahoma game. By the way, the series between
these two teams has been played an awful long time.

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In fact, it'll be this series of sixty four to
fifty one to five all time for Texas. Sooners have
won seventeen in the last twenty six games. It's important
to point out that as well, and this will be
the one one hundred and twenty first meeting between the
long Horns and Sooners. The first one happened in nineteen

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hundred in Austin. Since nineteen twenty nine, they played annually
at Fair Park in Dallas. Used to have the old
Fair Park Stadium, the wooden Grands thing. I tore that
down and then built in honor of the centennial the
Texas State Fair in nineteen thirty six, and so the
game has been played inside that cotton Bowl every year
since nineteen thirty seven. And I can promise you that

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my good friend Toby Roland was not there to witness
the first one of that. The voice of the Oklahoma
Sooners joins us on the hotline. How you doing, Tiro?
I am great, Gregor, how are you, sir? Wonderful? Wonderful
and I appreciate you taking this time. You know, you
and I when we usually when we hop on each

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other's programs, we've done that over the years. One thing
that always comes out is what our favorite memories of
the games are, and you know, favorite moments and all
that kind of stuff, not to mention the State Fair
food and all of those things.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
It's interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Over the years, how what appeals to us, obviously the
football and the great brain in the football in some
of the great games that we've seen over the years.
But just the spectacle of everything is it always kind
of resonates with us, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
I think that is what makes this game different, right.
I think that.

Speaker 11 (01:14:15):
There are a lot of great rivalries in college in
sports period. Army Navy is incredible, Ohio State, Michigan, Auburn, Alabama, Yankees,
Red Sox, Celtics, Lakers, on and on, but there's nothing
quite like this. This is I like to call it
the greatest game in American sports.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
It's just one single game on one single day.

Speaker 11 (01:14:39):
And the pageantry, the pomped circumstance, the setting, the way
that the fans are arranged, everything that goes into it
is so unique and unparalleled in all of American sports.
And usually and this year is another example, there is

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some very very important on the line as well, and
you throw some good old fashioned hate in there, you know,
and it's just the best.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
It is the absolute best.

Speaker 11 (01:15:10):
Sporting event that that I get to cover, and that
I think exists period in America.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
I've always said that if I were not broadcasting the game,
I would want to be on the aisle seat on
the fifty right where the dividing line is. Just to
listen to the banter, to the conversation, what that must
be like. And I know there's little pockets of based

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on the way the seating configuration it works, there's a
little pocket of Oklahoma fans that sit in that far
north end zone up there because the amount of seats
there is a post of the tunnel in on the south.
So I get that, I understand that. But just if
you were sitting on that dividing line, how much fun
would that be?

Speaker 10 (01:15:51):
Right?

Speaker 11 (01:15:53):
I've sat there night, yeah, upper deck in front of
the press box. Nineteen nine, I sat right on the
fifty for the Ricky Williams Demond Parker, Oh shut down.
Yeah what a game? What a game? And Texas won
that game. But I sat right on the fifty and

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it was the chief seats. It was way up high,
but it was, you know, an incredible experience. And you're right,
you know, everybody to your left or right is cheering
on every single play. And there was a lot to
cheer about on that day because those two dudes put
on quite.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
A performance on that afternoon. What were you like nine
back then?

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
When you went.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 11 (01:16:37):
I was freshly out of college twenty four.

Speaker 5 (01:16:43):
Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, I'm not that young.

Speaker 11 (01:16:46):
I got grandkids now Craig had two grandkids.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
As do I. But that was, you know by then
my year old. Yea, well, thank you, we all agree,
year old?

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
That was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
That was my eighth year on the network and my
fifth in the broadcast move Worri going to Bill Showing
on that one, but I remember that one.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
What year did you call your first game?

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
Two thousand and two?

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
That was to come from behind whim for the soonersh
when later my later talk show co host and uh
and then later sideline reporter Rod Babers had to pick
six in that game and Texas was up fourteen to
three at the half, and the Sooners turned it around
and they won thirty five twenty four. That was in
the midst of that glorious run for Bob stoops of

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five in a row. That's why when people ask me,
and I'll ask you for the same people ask me,
what you know, what's your favorite memory from a Texas
winning perspective? And people point out a lot of the
ones like the Dick or the Kicker game, and several
others and all this other kind of stuff, or even
forty nine to nothing a couple of years ago. No,
it's two thousand and five because it was the end

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of the streak. They finally were able to end the street.
Now it was lopside, it was forty five to twelve,
but still it was ending the streak, and I could
see the relief on the faces and the leagtion of
a lot of Longhorn fans because it had been a
great run, including a national championship in the first of
that run in two thousand for Bob Stoops group. So
how about you from an Oklahoma perspective, what's your favorite moment?

Speaker 11 (01:18:13):
Well before before I started calling the games, it would
be the year before you started. The one game is
my partner Teddy Layman's famous moment. Of course, the Superman
play that is regarded by many OU fans is kind
of the greatest play in OU history.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
It's certainly way up there.

Speaker 11 (01:18:36):
Since I've been calling them, you know, we have been
on an amazing run in the last half decade six
years or so where we had amazing finish after amazing finish,
the four overtime game. The COVID year was incredible Kennedy
Brooks game where he won it there at the end

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fifty five forty eight, if I remember correctly, a shootout
that was two years ago, the Dylan Gabriel drive at
the end of the game to when it was remarkable,
and then the year before that and the year after
that haven't been much fun at all. I understand, sooner listen, Yeah, yeah,
there's been some great ones.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
We've had some great memories.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
And since you and I have been together, yeah, you know,
since you and i've been together. It's funny we both
have those kinds of things, like those last second thrillers.
I mentioned the Dick or the Kicker game, you know,
so on and so forth. There's that, and then you
just mentioned thirty four three and forty nine. Nothing to
of the last three years, but I can I can
see that and raise his sixty three, fourteen, sixty three,
twenty one and fifty five seventeen. I remember those very

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well too, So I guess that.

Speaker 11 (01:19:44):
Only goes there a lot harder as a broadcaster, when
you're on the wrong end of a drubbing, it's a long,
long day.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Do you find yourself when it's one of those, like
both of us have experienced, and not just in the
games between these two schools, but if you're but if
you're on the business end, the short end of a
game against somebody else, and the same thing with with with.

Speaker 5 (01:20:06):
Me for Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Do you find yourself at that point just kind of
lock it in and calling the play by play and
hoping your analysts can kind of pick up the pieces
and talk about it from there.

Speaker 11 (01:20:17):
Yeah, you got to find a way somehow to still
make it entertaining. Yeah, you got to find a way
to still you know, make people want to listen. But
if it's ow you Texas, like we've experienced two of
the last three years, if it's going the wrong way
and it's it's uh, it's ugly, I find myself just
daydreaming of corny dogs after the game.

Speaker 5 (01:20:37):
I'm with That helps me, That helps me get by.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
I'm with you, Toby Rowlins, with the play by play
voice of the series. Okay, let's let's talk about this team.
What has impressed you more the play of the Sooner
defense to this point in the season, or what Oklahoma
has done offensivily and has done so not only with

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John Mattier with him before getting banged up, but just
the way that they've gone about their offense's what's impressed
you more.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Yeah, you know, it's a.

Speaker 11 (01:21:14):
Good question because we knew coming into the year that
there's a you know, Oklahoma probably had a pretty good defense.
They've been pretty good the last couple of years. They've
been trending in that direction, and they had a lot
of vets back. That's kind of the secret for Brent Vinnables.
He runs a very complicated defense, and you got to

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live in it for two or three years before you
really grasp it and it becomes second nature. And he's
got a lot of dudes now this year, like our
Mason Thomas, like Kobe McKenzie and Kip Lewis, Gentry Williams
and Robert Spears Jennings and on and on and on,
who have been here as long as he's been here,

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and they get it, they understand it, and they have
been fantastic. So I'm not surprised the defense has been good.
I'm surprised it's been this good, you know. I mean,
they they are tops in the SEC and virtually every
defensive category except for turnovers forced. They have been hard

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to run on, hard to throw on, been great tackling,
They've got a ton of pressure. It's just been it's
been as good of a defense as we've seen at
Oklahoma since the early Stoops years.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Now.

Speaker 11 (01:22:30):
You got seven games to go, and as soon as
you say something like that, you're just asking for Texas
to light you up for thirty five.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
But I'm just telling you what I've seen so far, and.

Speaker 11 (01:22:39):
There's been an Auburn and a Michigan in there too,
it has been very, very impressive. Offensively, they were abysmal
a year ago. And so while the offense doesn't, you know,
rank as high in the country and all the categories
as the defense does, it has been so significantly better
than it was a year ago. And I'm talking with

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John Mattier here that it's just been I don't know
if i'd say surprise.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
It's just been a breath of fresh air.

Speaker 11 (01:23:07):
I mean, it's not it's not running at the Baker Mayfield,
Kyler Murray, Sam Bradford level. They're not putting up gargantuan
offensive statistics, but they look like a you know, above
average offense.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
And last year they.

Speaker 11 (01:23:25):
Had a hard time getting a first down, and so
that has been fantastic and John Mateer's been great.

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
But they've got healthy wide.

Speaker 11 (01:23:33):
Receivers, they've got a fairly healthy offensive line, and compared
to a year ago, it's just been nice to see
that the offense can go out. The defense doesn't have
to win. It's to win the game on its own.
That's what they had to do the last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
No doubt about it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
Talking with Toby Rowland here, how much of a major
seismic impact has been our buckle made since stepping in
his offensive coordinator.

Speaker 11 (01:24:01):
Oh, it's a good word for it. You know, it's
been significant, and it's hard to know how much of
it is our buckle and how much of it is Mateir.
You know, they both came from Washington State, and instantaneously
this looked like an entirely different offense. He is only thirty,
and he turned thirty in the middle of the season,

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so he is very very young, but uber creative and
has you know, just been a lot of fun to watch.
The offense last year looked like it was stuck in mud,
and so to watch his creativity is you know, don't
tell anybody north of the Red River that I'm using
this word, but it's been a little Lincoln Riley esque

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on the offensive side of the ball what we've seen,
so that's been fun. But he also has his quarterback,
and Mattier has shown the ability to make plays out
of nothing. He's got a little swashbuckler in him, he's
got a little baker him. He runs around, he has
some charisma, and he's fun to watch too. So once

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Matier moves on, whenever that is, we'll get a better
feel for exactly what ben Arbuckle is. That being said,
I you know, if Oklahoma goes on and has a
really good year this year, this might be the only
year that been our bookles at Oklahoma, because I think
he's going to be mentioned in a whole lot of
head head coaching openings about it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
I saw the report today as many did, obviously, that
said that you know that there was this push by
Matear to be available, and we only know what we
know until we know what we know, and that'll be
and that'll be obviously for you as well getting into it.

Speaker 11 (01:25:44):
But how about that groundbreaking report by Pete Damil today
that Mattier was trying to play for Texas.

Speaker 5 (01:25:50):
No duh Sherlock.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
Obviously he's trying to play.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
For tex I don't think anybody was shocked by that revelation.

Speaker 11 (01:25:57):
No, Pete Damiler reported what everybody in the world had
all reported.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
Right, John Tierre is hoping to play against Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Yeah, yeah, and and really getting to know John as
you have, I guess ay that doesn't surprise you, and
that be that he would try to do whatever he
could to accelerate the process to be ready to play.
I guess is probably the better way to describe this.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
Isn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:26:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:26:25):
Well, I mean, first off, it was a very non
invasive surgery. This is a surgery that Jared Goff had
and played eleven days later. So this is not a
crazy timeline that we're on here. I think right now
we are thirteen days removed from surgery, and by the

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time the game rolls around, it will be eighteen I think.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Yeah, so it's not unheard of.

Speaker 10 (01:26:52):
For me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
It all comes down to and I don't know. I
don't know if he's going to play or not.

Speaker 11 (01:26:55):
I you know, for the sake of my newscast, put
a different percentage on it every day, and right now
sixty percent. Okay, there's a sixty percent chance he plays.
But for me, it all comes down to can't he
grip the football and throw the football. If he can
grip it and throw it, he's gonna play, I don't think,
you know, And that could change throughout the week.

Speaker 10 (01:27:14):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:27:14):
If he, let's say he goes out there today at
practice and catches it on a jersey or throws fifteen
to twenty passes and wakes up tomorrow and it's swollen
and throbbing, then he doesn't. But if he has a
healthy week and can grip and throw a football, you're
not keeping him off the field on Saturday. The kids
from Little Elm, Texas, that's a Grayson Miller punt away

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from the Cotton Bowl. I mean, it's this probably his
one and only chance to play in this game, and
if he can at all, he's going to play. But
he just you know, we do not We are not
privy to what kind of pain he's in, what the
doctors are saying, how the healing process is going, all.

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
That kind of stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:28:01):
My hunches, my sixty percent hunches that we're gonna see
him down there on Saturday. But that's what makes this
week fun. Don't we have this every year? Isn't some
major figure injured every year and we're just waiting with
baited breath to see if he plays in this game.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Yeah, I mean it was like that with Quinn yours
in the past. Gosh, I mean we've already yeah, I've already,
like you said, we've already established how old I am. Sorry,
And go back, uh to any number of guys over
the years that we wandered, hey might they be in
the be in the ball and Adrian Peterson, right, you know,

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so I mean it goes back, he goes back, all right. So,
so the last thing I'm gonna ask you here now
for folks who don't know, Toby's gone back to the television.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
World and and and and.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
And given up the semi underside of daily radio talk
show hosting.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
So he's gone back.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
He's gone back to being the Roger Wallace of Oklahoma City,
just as just as Roger is the Toby Rowland of Austin.
So do you miss it at all? Or is that
just an absolutely stupid question.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
I miss my co host TJ.

Speaker 11 (01:29:18):
Perry, who I talked to every morning for twenty one years.
I miss the interaction with some of the callers who
you know would textter call in every day, but I
do not miss getting up at four forty five every morning.
I am very much enjoying sleeping. It's been My body
is still in shock a little bit from the change

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in sleep schedule after two decades, so I'm still trying
to figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
But no, this has been fun. I was in TV for.

Speaker 11 (01:29:50):
A long time, got out and now back in and
I am enjoying it. It's a little bit of a
different world than it was when I left fourteen years ago,
so trying to catch up to technology still. But uh,
and and I need a lot more makeup than I
used to try to make myself camera presentable. That's a
problem Roger doesn't have at all. But it's it's fun.

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I'm enjoying it. Who knows what the future holds, but
for now, I'm enjoying it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
Listen, the old we've already established again, this age thing
about me. The older you get, the more you'll appreciate
that sleep.

Speaker 11 (01:30:26):
Yeah. Absolutely, And you're gonna and we're gonna we're gonna
rope you into a little TV work, uh, coming up
on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
I'm looking forward to it. It'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
Hey, I appreciate you taking the time. Yeah, I'll look
forward to the visit with you on Thursday and uh
see you when I guess what we've been told it's
slightly different are digs, But largely I.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Don't know, is it?

Speaker 5 (01:30:48):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Well, you know all of the other media is they'd
like to say the old business, the ink stained wretches.
They that the writers and stuff, they're all they're all down.
Uh you know by uh the zone now that is
the new main press box. Yeah, they took a lot
of that main press box and made it in the suites.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Do our windows open? Last year our windows didn't open.

Speaker 5 (01:31:09):
That's right, I'm told.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
I think we're up on the seventh level and I
think the windows do open, So I think we're I
think we'll be in good change.

Speaker 5 (01:31:17):
I think I think we'll just made my day.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
Craig mine too.

Speaker 11 (01:31:22):
I can't stand and not be do not feel the
atmosphere of this game.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
Yeah, so you just made my day.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Well I hope I'm not wrong about that. But I've
been told that it's supposed to be deal where our
windows were open, and we'll be upstairs and still with
a pretty good bird's eye view of the stadium, and
that's one of the special things about it, right, that
is fantastic.

Speaker 11 (01:31:46):
I'll talk to you Thursday and I'll see you in
the press box on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
Thanks t Ro, appreciate it all right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
But that's Toby Rowland, play by play voice of the
Oklahoma Sooners.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
Coming up. We'll hear more from Arch Banning when we
continue on thirteen under the Zone is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
A continue on a text on Tuesday, a little Robert Earl.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
Came throwing back at us.

Speaker 7 (01:32:09):
That's exactly right. Feeling good again, But that was me
today my antibiotics.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, there you go. That's good and yeah,
he's certainly a Texas legend as well. We continue here
on the text on somebody start. Are you going to
be on the Oklahoma Radio show this week? If so,
Wynn would love to hear you get interviewed. The answer
is yes, I'm not exactly sure what day. It could

(01:32:39):
be Thursday or we're still trying to work that out.
And you heard me mention with Toby who did it
the morning radio show on the REF for many many
years there and now that he's back in the TV business,
his sideline reporter Chris Blank, does that show now and
Chris and I are trying to line up a time

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for me to be on, but I think Thursday morning
might be the time. Thursdays also, when I'm recording what
he referred to it was going to be a thing
for their television special on the game with a Zoom
thing that the Zoom conversation will have with me.

Speaker 5 (01:33:14):
We do a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
There's a lot of reciprocity that happens between the media
for Texas and Oklahoma, not just amongst the radio guys,
but the newspaper writers, the fan site writers. There's a
lot of that sharing of perspective that goes on this
particular It's another one of those elements of this week.

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The media all know each other very very well. Are
you seeing each other very every year?

Speaker 5 (01:33:40):
There?

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
You know in Dallas there was that one strange year
twenty eighteen where they saw each other twice because of
the Big twelve Championship game. So anyway, yeah, we do
that and for all of the fan enmity, and I
get it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:57):
I understand that the art rivalry and all that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
A lot of the people who cover the game, work
the game, broadcast the game right on the game and stuff.
Really and truly a lot of those people are friends. Yeah,
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Speaker 7 (01:34:12):
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Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
Yeah, I agree with it as well. So I said
my favorite statesman. The headline is Guard Air graduated four
to oh yeah, because he went four and zero against
Oklahoma as well. Also, I wanted to make sure to
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Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Let me go back to uh arch banning and some
comments from the Longhorns quarterback. We had a few more things.
One of those was asked quite simply because this was
a question came up with all sacks? Is he getting
rid of the ball quickly enough?

Speaker 10 (01:36:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:36:05):
I think honestly a few of those sacks I could avoid,
get rid of it switch protection, but got to continue
to get better each week and and get completions to
get the ball or playmakers.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
Another topic of conversation was about the noise and it
was really loud obviously in the swamp. You know what
what determines whether they decide to go with a silent
count or just clapping count. How all that works?

Speaker 8 (01:36:35):
Yeah, that's that's above my my pigor.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
If the head coach decides that is the answer, he's
faced two real good defenses, Ohio's stay in Florida, could
you tell which one was better?

Speaker 8 (01:36:49):
Yeah, they've done a good job all year. I think
every game they've played, and they've played really well. And
yeah we didn't play very well.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Talking about Florida there, Yeah, yeah, exactly. And he was
asking they're better than Ohio States. Now he's getting ready
to face another outstanding defense in Oklahoma's.

Speaker 8 (01:37:05):
They play really hard, move move all over the place,
and they're well coached.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
So, semifon, is there a weakness on that Okwhima defense?

Speaker 5 (01:37:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
Also, has he ever been hit that many times in
the game before? I'm sure I have back in high school.
You gotta remember my high school. I've waged more than
most of my high school alignment. So uh And finally
does his does his family help him out? Did they
kind of encourage him to bear through all this?

Speaker 5 (01:37:39):
Yeah? I got a lot of text messages.

Speaker 8 (01:37:41):
I mean really, all you can my parents can say
is just keep working hard, hard work works, and just
stay the course, keep chopping with all.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
Right, let's hear a couple from Michael Taff as well.
On Taff, how about the mindset of preparing for the
Oklahoma offense as opposed to preparing for a specific quarterback
because we don't yet no which Jometier is going to play.
I think a lot of people think he probably will,
but until you see him absolutely take the snaps, who knows.

(01:38:07):
But he was asked about the mindset of preparing for
that sooner offense.

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 14 (01:38:12):
I think the offense cordinator wants what he wants out
of the quarterback position, and they deliver based on what
the what the offensive cornator wants. And so you didn't
see a lot of you know, the offense change when
number three came in the game versus when ten was
in the game. And so I think, yeah, you practice
and you prepare what the offense has given you. Obviously,

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you know, I kind of think that you you go
into it knowing both of their tendencies what number ten
does versus what number three does, but definitely want to
prepare because the offense cordinator is not going to change.
He doesn't have two scripts, one for number three, one.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
For number ten.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
All right, So now they get ready for this environment,
this atmosphere. What does he as an old veteran who's
played in this game several times, ten all the younger guys.

Speaker 14 (01:39:01):
Yeah, to be honest, you can't say anything about this atmosphere.
You just have to be in it and watch and
experience it. There's no I mean, there's no other there's
no other feeling in culture ball besides the Red rivalry.
So that's the cool thing about it. There's no other
game like this. It's a unique game. And I would say,

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just be ready. It's a big momentum game and uh,
you make plays, you get you get the Orange side excited.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
So will he give himself kind of a moment to
soak it all in since it'll be his final Red
River game.

Speaker 14 (01:39:33):
I always try to do that every single game. I
always try to take three deep breasts and look at
every side of the stadium. And so I don't think
I'm gonna change anything just because it's my last one.
But I always try to be grateful for every opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
And finally, what would be the mindset that he wants
the team to have going into this contest?

Speaker 10 (01:39:54):
Go one?

Speaker 14 (01:39:54):
And oh for sure, don't forget when you're seeing the
eyes of Texas what people are. Don't forget if you
do choose to read that stuff, don't forget what people
are saying about you. But the end of the day,
go one to know. I can't wait to see what
people say about us when we go one and know.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
All right, there it is for Michael Taff. We'll be
back to wrap up today's edition of the program. I'm
thirteen under the Zone.