Andrew and Cole talk about the Knicks newest head coach hire

Andrew and Cole talk about the Knicks newest head coach hire

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you have big weekend plans, make sure you are safe.
There is millions of people every single year who accidentally
have some sort of firework accident, including the twelve nine
hundred firework related emergency room visits across the country every
single season. Seventy percent of them are experienced by men.

(00:20):
So men out there for thinking caps on, gentlemen, let's
make sure that we are pointing those fireworks away from
ourselves and our cars and our families and everything else.
You do not want to put yourself in a bad position. Cole,
have you ever had a fireworks accident? That is a
that's the real question.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
No, I have not. Have you seen it? It comes
up every year though, back it up, Terry, have you
seen that? I just say, oh, yeah for it. Yeah,
I hope his chair is fully charged this this fourth
of July. No, no, no fourth of July accidents. I'm
usually the guy that leaves a little like right, I'll
watch like a minute or two of fireworks, and then

(00:59):
I usually head out because what you see him all like,
once you see him for the first time, you've seen
them all and you know, eh, I can do without.
Just give me an early lead out to wherever I'm
going next, and it gives me a chance to beat
the traffic. What about you?

Speaker 1 (01:13):
So I'm more of a Okay, I'll watch a couple
a little bit of it, then I'll move on. I'm
not that worried about making sure I don't miss the fireworks.
But we were going back and forth this morning on
the Morning Show down here in San Antonio. We were
trying to figure out, like you know, hey, talk back
topics everything else, and I suggested, what jobs can you
do with a firework accident?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Like, if you accidentally, you know, maybe mangle your hand
or you mess some miss some fingers. What other jobs
could you have? If you remember Jason Pierre Paul remember
the former defensive Yeah yeah, JKB Blyman, Yeah, JPP. He
had an issue if you remember with the fireworks, right
that was him ends up, yeah, losing a couple of

(01:59):
his digits. Look, if you need to do that, you
know you have the ability to play defensive line in
the NFL with some mangled fingers. All right, A lot
to talk to you about this hour. Lebron James potentially
getting bought out by the Lakers. A one ESPN reporter
is suggesting it could just be conjecture. Maybe there's a
little fire where there is smoke. Other news also Cam

(02:21):
Newton or arch manning good topic to the conversation. Cam
Newton actually having a nuanced take on the situation, which
is a first. And we're gonna start here. The New
York Knicks after interviewing or wanting to interview, I should say,
Jason Kidd. They also threw out some feelers to some
other candidates. Don Staley, the South Carolina women's basketball coach,

(02:46):
allegedly got a phone call from the Knicks. They finally
have settled on who the next coach will be. Drumroll please,
is Mike Brown. I feel like the most uninspiring, not
needle moving coach there is available. I'm not impressed by
this hire. I'm not that moved, in fact, by the

(03:07):
addition of the two time Coach of the Year. And again,
you put the two time coach of the Year Moniker
on Mike Brown, you think to yourself, man, that's a coach,
that's a guy. But this is the same guy that
coached Lebron James in Cleveland and Kobe Bryant in LA
and it just never has seemed to work. And I look,
I like Mike Brown. He's from the Spurs coaching tree.
He was an assistant coach under Popovich for years. I

(03:30):
like Mike Brown, and you know a lot of people
in San Antonio like Mike Brown too. The problem is is,
if Mike Brown is your coaching higher, you're not necessarily
as thrilled. That's not a higher that a lot of
people are, you know, making parades down Main Street for Okay,
that's fine. He is he an adult in the room, sure,
but this team doesn't really need I think an adult

(03:51):
in the room. If you think about the team last
year that went to the Eastern Conference Finals and lost
to the Pacers, this was a team that was a
six man rotation because Timbodeau refuses to bring guys in,
he refuses to work those guys out. If you are
underneath the seventh man in the rotation, you are pretty
much a two way player. You will not see court
time in a nixt jersey unless somebody is injured. He is,

(04:14):
by for all intentsive purposes, a nineteen nineties Big East
head coach. He does not believe in rotations at all,
and even with the advanced analytics and all the other information,
we have readily available at our fingertips. Tom Thibodeaux was
not the type of guy who's going into that they're
gonna play tough defense. You're gonna play forty six minutes tonight.

(04:36):
That is a Tom tibodau Way, great defensive coach, NBA
Champion assistant coach for the Boston Celtics at OH eight,
and he's gotten plenty of teams to the conference finals,
but he just cannot get over that hump. I was saying,
if I'm going to hire a coach who has been
around a little bit, who has seen a lot, Jeff
Fan Gunny is readily available for you in the Clippers.
Jeffvan Gunny has been a very good assistant coach for

(04:58):
the Clippers organization. I thought he would come back to
New York, a coming home story and a last hurrah
for Van Gundy, who coached those late nineties nixt after
pat Riley went to Miami and he got him pretty
far in the playoffs. He was a consistently good head coach.
Mike Brown has not really been that. He's been a
consistently average coach. We were talking a little earlier with

(05:20):
Zachariah from Zak Sports, and we were saying that Kerr
in the same vein, and I know I'm gonna rush
Bull some feathers here for Cole Kerr in the same
way as Phil Jackson before him. You can give him
a very good team and he's going to maximize the potential.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
You give him the.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Greatest shooting court of all time, back court of all time,
he's gonna go get you four rings. You give Phil
Jackson two of the greatest guards of all time, he's
gonna go get you eleven rings. But if you give
Mike Brown Hall of Fame talent in Kobe Bryant and
Lebron James, he'll get you fifty wins and a second
round exit. But now he goes to New York and
I'll be honest, I don't see a future Hall of
Famer on that roster. Jalen Brunson is very good, Josh

(05:58):
Hart has good heart, Karl Anthon Town's the former number
one overall pick. But I don't look at that roster
and say to myself, man, there's like so much talent
unless you're going out. If you're the Knicks packaging some
players sending him out for Giannis, packaging some players sending
him out for a guy like I don't even know
Anthony Edwards. Maybe just another superstar guy Mike Brown will

(06:20):
get you forty eight fifty two fifty three wins and
a second round exit. I'm not entirely thrilled with this organization.
And on top of all of that, to be completely
honest with you, this is the fifth choice. This is
not the first or second choice. This is the guy
that they called after, the guy that they called after,
the guy that called after the gal they called said.

(06:40):
Now I'm good, I'm gonna pass. This is not the
type of move that I would make if I was
the Knicks, who are again a game, a couple games
away from going to the NBA Finals for the first
time in twenty years. It's just it really shocks me
that this is the type of move that this organization makes.
But then again, it's the Knicks. Why should I be surprised?

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, no, I completely And then when they fired Tibbs,
you know, right after when the season ended, when they
fired him, Okay, that makes you think, Okay, so they've
been in contact with someone who you know, everything's in place.
You just got to sign the dotted line across the
t's off the eyes. And then there was kind of
crickets from the Knicks, you know, organization, like well they

(07:19):
don't have a coach, Yip, but they just fired TIBs
and then they bring in you know, Mike Brown, who
in his own right is kind of like Fibbs in
a way, like you know, you're gonna play defense, a
lot of attention to detail. Uh, there will be more rotation,
but again he has to be at least the bottom
you know, five to ten pick that they had. I'm
guessing the people they did want didn't pan out for them.

(07:43):
But also, if you look at it, if you're a
free agent coach and you're looking at the Knicks, like, yeah,
you get to play in Madison Square Garden, but look
at ownership. Tibbs just took him to a conference championship
in the first time and how long and he still
gets canned And I mean so, yeah, he he runs
them hard, but yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
And well this is the interesting part because if you
think about it, the Knicks had their best time while
James Dolan was trying to get the spear done in
Las Vegas. And it makes you think when he has
another project at hand, he can you know, delegate, he
can let the ownership or let the coaches do their coaching,
let the front office do the front office. The minute
that that spear got done is when he starts meddling. Now,

(08:26):
I want to go down the list of coaches that
they tried to call uh before they got to Mike Brown.
They tried to contact Jason Kidd, they try to contact
Emi Udoku, they try to contact Chris Finch. All of
those teams refuse to let the Knicks talk to their
head coach. Makes sense. Mavericks were in the finals two
years ago. The Rockets feel like they're a move away

(08:48):
with Kevin Durant trade away from going to the finals,
and the Timbertls have gone to Western Conference finals. So
those are three of the best coaches in the league, right,
They're not all They're not coming. And then you have
to think Taylor Jenkins got fired by Balone got fired
from the Memphis Grizzlies and Denver Nuggets. You don't call
those guys. Don Staley just won a national championship a
few seasons ago in women's basketball. That was a call allegedly.

(09:11):
I don't know. It just doesn't make a ton of sense.
There reminds me very much cold. You remember, before Freddy
Kitchens got hired, before Zavanski got hired. In Cleveland, the
Browns allegedly opened up Pan Dwarf's. They said, we're gonna
interview anybody and everybody, and former Secretary of State Conda
Lisa Rice was mentioned as a potential coaching hire for

(09:34):
the Cleveland Browns like ten years ago. Look, I'm not
saying Don Staley is kind of Lisa Rice in the situation.
Obviously she has more coaching experience than than Rice did, right,
But at the same time, it felt like we're having
all of our options open. Dude, there's some guys on
this list here that if you're the Knicks, you fire Thibodeau,

(09:55):
these are the guys you're going after. Like, it just
doesn't make any sort of sense to me that we
end up with Mike Brown, Like this is the guy
who again had Kobe Bryant on the roster, had Dwight
Howard on the roster, Steve National the roster, lebron James
on his rosters and he couldn't win. Why am I
thinking now with Jaln Bronston, Karl Anthey Towns, then anything's
gonna change. This feels like a very much stale, run

(10:18):
of the mill higher and you know you're just passing
coaches around. I'm surprised Doc Rivers didn't get called about
this job. That's how stale this job is.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I think my my mailman got called for this job
as well. I think he mentioned it to me. I'm kidding, yeah,
But you look at all the coaches, and I think
the timing of it is weird too, where you fire
someone immediately and then but you don't bring someone in.
You you wait for that long and then again if
you're if you're an NBA coach and you're you don't
have a job yet, and you look at this and
you look at everything that's going on around him, I

(10:50):
would just steer clear. I wouldn't even touch it. But
I mean, if you need a job that bad. But
I'm Mike Malone probably didn't touch it. He did a
great job in Denver, Taylor Jenkins did a great job
in Memphis as well. But I'm looking at the other names,
James Barrego, Frank Vogel, maybe Sam Castle, Royal Ivy was

(11:10):
in there. Wow, Okay, so Chris Quinn, it's just one
of those. Yeah, no one's given us a callback. I
wonder why. I take a look at the internal here
and let's see what's going on. But good for Mike Brown.
A good luck man. If you're gonna get canned after
going to the conference championship and you fall short just

(11:32):
by a little bit, and let's say we want to
build off that next season, Okay, we're gonna go off
to this person, this person draft well whatever it may be. No, no, no,
you're canned after that. Like that's the standard they have
there in New York. Good luck Mike Brown.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
First time they go to the conference finals in twenty
five years, get rid of their coach. But good luck
Mike Brown. All right, when we come back, Cam Newton
nuanced take on the quarterback situation on the forty acres.
We'll have that for you next. Craig wat Show rolls
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