College World Series and MLB updates with Ty Harrington and Gene Watson

Craig Way and Cameron Parker close out the week with College World Series discussions and a look at the U.S. Open. Ty Harrington and Gene Watson join throughout to show to offer up their predictions and talk about the latest storylines.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
As we have ensconced ourselves into the Big Studio today.
Normally we're in what's called the Fishbowl studio. When you
walk into the iHeartRadio compound, you see us immediately on.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Your left when you walk in.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
But during the summer, on Fridays, we move into what
our friend Rod Bavers would call the big piece of
Chicken room, the Big Studio. The reason for that is
because there would be more than just the two of
us on the air, so.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
We need a little.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
More elbow room, a little more space, and we're glad
to bring that to you. Why because on Fridays we
bring you the music survey that'll be in the three
o'clock hour. First of all, the WII means, of course,
my name is Craig Way, and I do thank you
for joining us on the program. We're here each and
every afternoon during the weekdays, Monday through Friday, from two
to five pm, so glad to have you with us.

(00:55):
The w also includes the producer of the program, who
is back. He was taking some family time there in
North Carolina with relatives.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
That would be Cameron D. Parker.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
The D on the birth certificate actually stands for Dallas
as in his favorite pro football team that he's not
involved in keeping track of at the moment because he's
not real happy with him right now.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
But name for that.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
But the D in this case means delighted to have
you back, at least on my case. So glad you
got some time away and glad to have.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
You back, Thanks, Craig. Glad to be back. Although you know,
I learned some interesting information about my middle name this
past week and that we'll have to get into later on.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Really all right, maybe it'll be something else by way
of another way to introduce you then, other than to
say name for your favorite pro football team that you're
not real happy with right now.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
So that's okay, so we'll get to that. That's good.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Let me tell you what we have Friday plenty to
bring you on a Friday. There's two major events that
are going on right now as we speak. The US
Open Golf Championship, so the men's United States Open at Oaklunam, Pennsylvania.
We'll get you a leader board update on them. And

(02:09):
the College World Series is underway. It's been going for
about an hour. First game, Coastal Carolina against Arizona. Coastal
Carolina was the number thirteen overall seed, and so they
are there and they're playing Arizona, who of course won
a couple of who won the regional and the super

(02:30):
Regional in Arizona, which comes off winning in North Carolina
last week, beating the number five seed tart Heels. Now
in there against Coastal Carolina, the Chanta Clears of Coastal
lead at two to nothing. It's going to the top
of fourth at Charles schwab Field. Coastal score two runs
in the bottom of the second inning, so they lead
it to nothing as it goes to the top of

(02:51):
the fourth inning. And that we'll keep you up there
on The other reason why I bring that up is
coming up here in just a few minutes, ty Rrington,
our residents baseball analyst and college baseball aficionado, will join
us as well, and we'll get his preview, his thoughts
on the college world. So, first of all, even as

(03:12):
Coastal is up to nothing and still a long way
to go in that ball game, you're going to hear
him speak glowingly of Coastal. But it's not just because
they jump to a to nothing lead here, or even
that they've made it to Omaha or even that they
won the Super Regional to get here by sweeping Auburn. No. No,
he's been talking about Coastal for the better part of

(03:33):
three months when we've had him on a weekly show,
saying watch him because he's gotten a chance to see
him closed. And of course they're in the Sunbelt Conference,
so he'll obviously speak highly of Coastal, but we'll get
his thoughts on.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
The entirety of the field of eight. So we'll do that.
We do have.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Inconceivable coming up later this hour, and Cameron, I know
you've been away for a week, but you do remember
what inconceivable on Friday. I can never forget. Oh good,
that's good. It's a Florida man, Friday. And we do
have a couple of Florida offerings, so we will reach
for the low hanging fruit there from the most flaccid

(04:14):
of the forty eight contiguous United States. That's just part
of it. It's not all of it, but it's part
of it, and we'll bring that to you this hour,
the four o'clock hour. Gene Watson, the player personnel director
of the Chicago White Sox, will join us and we'll

(04:34):
get our weekly Major League Baseball Fix from Gino the
topics around MLB, so we'll visit with him in between
that in the three o'clock hour. Is why we are
in the Big Studio today and why we will be
in the Big Studio on Fridays. It's the Music Survey.
Many of you remember it. We did it three years

(04:54):
ago when we were Crosstown. It was something I picked
up from my friends George Dunavan Craig Miller, the morning
hosts on the Ticket of Dallas. We were all in
college together up in North Texas and know each other
very very well. And as a result of that that
I picked up something from them and that was the

(05:16):
music Survey.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
And what the music survey is.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
The list that they gave me was a list of
eleven questions and the last time we did it was
three years ago and it went over very well and
folks liked it, and so we decided to bring it back,
get some other people to take it. Will redo our own.
In fact, Cameron redid his last week and after that

(05:44):
I added one more question to the survey. So Cameron
didn't get a chance to address that question, but he
will when we do it. But the person taking the
survey today in its entirety, is none other than our
good friend, my broadcast partner on long run football games

(06:05):
and of course worksmen be on baseball and backs me
up on basketball and women's basketball as well. And that's
Roger Wallace, sports director from kate x A n SO.
Roger will join us in the three o'clock houry He
had the questions sent to them to him. He apparently
has filled it out and sent it in to Cameron.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
I always ask not to know.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
The person taking the survey.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
I don't want to know.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
I want him to explain to me him or her,
because her is going to include my wife's gonna take
it this year. We're gonna have Linda come in and
take it as well. But the survey I don't want
to know in advance the answers to the questions. I
want them to explain to me why they selected the
band or artists.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
That they did.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
So we'll get to that coming up in the three
o'clock hour. Just to update two on the College World Series,
it's a two to one lead for Coastal Arizona has
homered and doubled in the top of the fourth inning,
so it's a two to one lead in that one.
How about a US Open leader board update cams, because

(07:17):
I know you were perusing it very very carefully before
we get to the break.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Here, Jj Spahn, the California native one under so far
through seven holes. He's tied at T one alongside Tristan
Lawrence who is from South Africa, both at four unders
so far, and then a couple bigger names tied for third,
including Sam Burns, the former LSU product and good friend
of Scotti Scheffler, and Ben Griffin also at three under

(07:43):
through six holes, the Chapel Hill alumni who's played very
well this summer and is looking for his first major championships.
So just four guys only at four and three underd
Nobody at two under, and then a handful of guys
at one under part including Victor hob So of course
it's showing its teeth so far. On this Friday afternoon,

(08:04):
with some possible thunderstorms in the area, we'll see if
those guys can wrap up their second round there. There's
a good chance that we may end up having some
guys finish their second round to Marlon beginning their third
round perhaps, so we'll keep an eye on that. But
so far jj Spawn, Tristan Lawrence, who had grat great
rounds yesterday back end up so far in this front

(08:25):
nine all right.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
And for folks whore wanting to know, Scottie Scheffler struggling today,
and also Jordan speaks speak at the last I saw
was going to make the cut. He's a lot at
plus five and they think the cut's going to be
what it's six over or seven over?

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, six or seven. Scotty ended up shooting seventy one,
a lot better than yesterday. A bogie coming in on
the ninth hole in Jordan, who played phenomenal yesterday and
even part seventy came back with seventy five that day,
just did not play well at all. But they are fine.
Currently the projected cut is at seven over. I do
not see it getting the six over. If the weather

(09:03):
gets tough a little bit more wind, or if the
course just gets incredibly hard, maybe eight over will be
the cut line. But looks like seven over right now.
So guys like Roy McElroy, Patrick Cantley, Cam Smith, Min
woo Lee, Justin Rose, Justin Thomas, Dustin Johnson, Joaque Neeman, Sepstraca,
all those guys right now currently outside the cut line.

(09:25):
So the big games including Shane Lowry, who was a
fifty four hold leader the last time they've played the
US Open at Oakmont, who is currently oh, fourteen over par.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Okay, and where did you say, Scheffler Rouss, He's four
over all right, So he's four over all right, Okay,
we need a break when we come back. Ty Herrington
joins us. And by the way, Arizona's now tied the
game with Coastal Carolina. They have three consecutive one out
extra base hits, homer, a double, and a double and
it's now a two to two ball game, and that
in the top of the fourth inning. But we'll visit

(09:57):
with Ty get his thoughts on the College World chirch.
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Speaker 2 (10:30):
Okay, let's see if we could try this again.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Updating College World Series game is two to two tople
of fifth Arizona and Coastal Carolina. Now we're gonna try
again for Ty Harrington. Any better for you there.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Listening to us, TI, Yeah, got you?

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Okay, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you the
floor here and get your thoughts on stuff. As I
mentioned earlier, you uh, you know hearing seeing Coastal Carolina
in Omaha is going to surprise you least of just
about anybody in these parts.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
You've watched him for a.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
While, you know, Coach knowall you knew Gary Gilmore all
the years, and he's there. In fact, he's being interviewed
right now, sitting in the stands watching his former team play.
And I know you've been pretty high on coach tole
like I said, for the past three months. And you've
also seen keep it eye on Arizona. So this is
a good matchup as they played two to two in
the top of the fifth inning. How about your thoughts

(11:26):
on both of these teams being back and the unusual
situation for the first time at night since nineteen fifty seven. Time,
there's no teams that were in Omaha last year that
are back this year.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
All eight or different.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Yeah, let's start with you know, all eight are different
and I think one of the points to think about
that of those eight that are different.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
What is it, three or four of them I think.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Possessed national championships and so they've got the pennant.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
Green to have been there or have been there.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
But it is unusual when historically teams build programs that
when you go to Ola Hall and your your you know,
you go back right, you got returners you add to it,
and so I don't know if it's a sign.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Of the portal.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
You know, Wait, College Athletics says, I don't know that,
but it is unusual obviously for.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Taking that long.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
Now going to coach to Carolina, Garan King allers a
favorite people. I'm very fortunate in his coaching business to
give to meet a lot of coaches and those some
fabulous people, and he's one of the most competitives people
I've ever been around. Built the program that you know,
nobody knew about unless you were Craig Lee, and you
watch every sport all the time and you recognize that

(12:46):
and that you know the year they went I think
sixteen won a national championship.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
And coach Fall, who worked for gar With for.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
A long time, has notice to play so well in
the university.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
But they're good.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
They can really pitch, and had a chance to watch
any of the game, I'll get to see the end
of it, but they can really pitch.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
Arizona well, the other hand.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Statistically doesn't remind you of the team that was going
to get there and deal with They're you know, having
an opportunity to do but they're hot to playing well
at the right time. And but today's match up a solid,
really good baseball teams that can pitch and play defense well.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
And that's and they're going to the bottom of the
fift So they're halfway through that first game, and it's
a two to two ball game, so it's pretty evenly matched.
Coastal score. It's two runs in the bottom of the second,
Arizona score. Di's two runs in the top of the fourth.
So they're going to the bottom of the fifth now
too too. The other game on that side of the
bracket has one remaining top eight seed that's on that

(13:53):
side of the bracket. That's Oregon State, and they you know,
they they had some adversity. They're dropping the first game
of their regional at home to Saint Mary's and then
they fought their way back through it and then had
were extended by a really good Florida State team, the
number nine overall seed to a final game, but pulled
way out front and just kind of held on and
won at fourteen ten that final game.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
And they're playing Louisville. And Louisville's been a good team.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
They've been ranked most of the season, but I think
most folks did not expect them to get through the
Nashville Regional, which of course had the number one overall
seed of Vanderbilt, but they got knocked out, and so
Louisville was able to do that and then win the
Super Regional at home as they did. And so how

(14:40):
about this this Louisville team and also the Oregon State team,
which you got to see early in the season, and
I know you really like what Mitch Cannon's done with
that ball club.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Well, one thing for sure about Oregon State that everybody
else can't say is they're staying in a hotel, is
what They're a customer to play thirty seven games away
from home. So I'm sure if you're thinking about, you know,
having to go to a different place and play, that's
nothing for these guys.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
They've done it all year. They are very power oriented in.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
A sense from the mouths, you're gonna see ninety five
to ninety eight with four.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
To five of their arms. You'll see some young arms
as well. You'll see some power at the plate.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
They've got two or three guys, and they've got a
pro prospects at short stop.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
It's just a really you know, pretty looking.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Shortstop with all the action powers and a great baseball
instinct line.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
But it's more of a power oriented but I mean.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
Said that they'll take their free bases. They'll create some
offense off their free bases.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
As we're starting to.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Seek, college teams do more and more now than they've
ever done, a lot of all. On the other hand,
and you start to look at it, they've got two
three guys in a horror they're gonna go, you know,
the double digit homers, but not necessarily how they live.
I think I read in there, and so yet they
fifty still a basis, and so they're they're trying to
get a quick ninety any way.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
They can often times.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Trying to create through the pre based route as well.
I think personally, Louisville offensively got hut the last month
and started playing or started, you know, offensively better than
what they did earlier when you and I probably saw
them at Grove Life early in the year. And so
that's gonna be a fun matchup two different types of
hot that's as well. And so look, I think you

(16:29):
got an ore State tument that played pretty solid all
year long, spent their life on the road, and now
they you know, have a history of being in Omaha.
They're not afraid of all homes. They understand what Omaha
looks like and what it takes to perform there, and
maybe haven't been a player there, winning two national championships.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
As a player himself. And so there's that part of
it is is I think Oregon State's got an advantage
of even though a Louisville has been there.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
And then I just think Lobill's similar to Arizona playing
their best spaceball at the right time.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Think about this for a moment.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
You mentioned I our cat, the outstanding Oregon State shortstop,
played high school baseball with Thehiva Alloy, the SEC player
of the year from Arkansas. Can you imagine those two
play together in high school.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
About I'm about trying to scode who's going to.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
Get to play shortstop for crying out loud. I mean,
let's I mean, we're gonna.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Have tryouts, right, and they both you know, tall, rangy looking,
you know, athletic guys.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
Who can cover a lot of ground. They have great
range and have power as well.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
And so as an old coach, I've wanted to have
that choice, right, I'd run to have an opportunity to
make a choice between those two guys playing short stop
for me.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Uh, talking with Ty Harrington talking the College World Series,
Let's go to the other side of the bracket and
UH the one matchup that's that's gonna be interesting to see, certainly,
UH is the first matchup that'll be played tomorrow with
Murray State able to UH win its way through to

(18:00):
the College World Series for the first time and Dan Skirka,
by the way.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Today today Ty was.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Named the National Collegiate Baseball Right Association Mike Martin National
Coach of the Year, and of course Murray State the
fourth number four seed, the fourth of all time, the
fourth ever to reach the College World Series, or Roberts
two years ago, Stony Brook in twenty twelve, and of
course President of State won at all in two thousand

(18:27):
and eight, and so Murray State wins the Oxford Regional.
Then they go to Durham to take on Duke who
won the regional down in Athens.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
So beat out the.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Number ten seed, and then they beat out the team
that knocked out the number seven seed. What about this
Murray State team? I mean, it's a genuine Cinderella story.
But are they a genuine contender in Omaha?

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Well, how about the story itself?

Speaker 4 (18:55):
I mean, for something like that, or be attracted to
it because of Baal just show through the beauty of
college athletic and can't happen and how inspiring it is
for so many programs, so many coaches, so many players,
and so the story itself is just unru and it
looks I watched the game two. The super Region plays

(19:17):
some game where you win, right, you don't power your
shirt your dog power and oh wait, by the way,
just kidding, let's try it again, right, And then they.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Got to go back. Their closers got to go back
in the game. Ring Kittings can gather.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Himself, button up his shirt and probably three buttons undone
and by the way, spin a first pitch breaker back
door breaking ball in there to get strike on to
get ahead of a hitter who has the ability to
hit them all out of the park and being able
to win a game with one swing and so and
how impressive to me that really is, or maybe that
talks a lot about who they are as a as a.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
Team and listen that they are on but they can't hit.
They really can.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
And if you watch them, they I know they had
a lot of first bit swings and the Oxford original
and a lot of first.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
Bit swings in the Super Regional.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
But when you get right down to it, these guys
have the ability to hit and hit and deep, and
they don't go into counts and the little grind on you,
and they don't do a lot of different things to
hang in there on there at bots Well, I mean
they got an OFFENSI and they fell up and.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
You know, and it's just it's an exciting story.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
And I guarantee you.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
It's gonna amper the viewership for all Haol. Not that
they already needed. They can hear that. I know just
how exciting All Hall is and how it just continues
to grow. But it's a great story.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
It's inspiring for college baseball, it's inspiring for rhythm majors
and it.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
Is gonna be fun to watch, and they're gonna have
a ton of obels and they are good. They I mean,
you don't get everybody to get a chance to see
it tonight. And I'm telling you all the times run
on the.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
Stage and watching guys if you haven't watched it, but
they do. They're an offensive team. They played the game
with a lot of fun. They played the game with
a lot of confidence. And I tell you what, it's
fun to watching coach.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
It really is. I mean he is.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
It is a tense but to watch his eye contact
with his players, and he watches mixing atches with his players,
or Tork Kirker in the game with coach Kirker and look,
innosers every award that you.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
Could present to him this year.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
All right.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
They play UCLA tomorrow afternoon and then tomorrow night. And
you tell me this factor fiction, the winner of the
Arkansas LSU game is going to be the overwhelming favorite
to win the national championship after tomorrow night's game.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
Fact, they're both still gonna be in there. I mean,
here's something to think about.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
You Hill, Dave van Hall A long time, you know
how good a coach he is.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
Jay Johnson has already done it.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Two programs that are going to lock up tomorrow night.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
Again. It's gonna be an incredible contest and.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
It may be a war two to one game with Potoo,
oh my gosh, Anderson Route with you know, two of
the best left handed pitchers in the conch and the
Breakers that those guys something. That part of it is
gonna be unreal to watch. But Dave man Horne, who
is just as a competitive.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
As it can be. And I heard, you know, somebody
talking about it this morning. You know, does it, you know,
make him who he needs to be if he wins
the national championship. Look, guy, guy's a Hall of Fame coach.
He's going the best in the business. He's good at it.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
But he's he's got a place in his life now
where he's much more relaxed lever. Dave has always been
incredibly intense, which is good.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
His players have always played that way. But it's like
he's in his pacing.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Knife now he's got prink in grandtias that yes, he's
enjoying us. You don't know how special it is to
get them over, and he knows how hard it is
to win a national championship and for that day, wrong
night now, I mean that is gonna be getting I
mean right.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
At each other.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Hey, I appreciate you doing this and bearing through that
little technical bug we had there. Enjoy the rest of
the day, and then enjoy the World Series. We'll visit
again here before this is all said and done.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Well cut you and I know this is here one's
favorite comedy here, and I looks one of hears as well.
It's exciting. College baseball couldn't be any more exciting, any
better than what it yesterday. And this next Hena Day
is going to be incredibly exciting for everybody. So if
you're not a fan, be a fan for Tenna Day's.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Watch and you will be when it's over, no doubt
about it. Thanks, Ty, appreciate it, Thank you. All right,
that's Ty Harrington. They're joining us. It's to two, bottom
of the fifth Arizona and Coastal Carolina playing right now
up next inconceivable here on this Friday on thirteen under
the Zone, third and final hour of the program here
on thirteen under the Zone. Glad to have you with us.
Craig Waylong's haide the producer Cameron Parker. Thanks again to

(23:40):
Roger Wallace who took the music survey and I was
able to walk out of here. If they feeling okay
about it all over you're you're posting that right on.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
It's on Twitter, So if you don't follow us on
thirteen under of the Zone, go ahead and check that out,
all the questions answers and you know, reply, you know, quote,
tweet it and go at them. You know, we had
some people in the text line I don't think we're
too happy with this his choice in picking Kiss as
the most overrated band or artist. So feel free to

(24:12):
you know this your warriors get out there and disagree
with them. But it is posted, and you know, we'll
continue to post some every Friday too, and if you
want to put in your responses, go ahead and do so.
Love to hear from everybody, absolutely, So that's that's kind
of what the thing is it.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
What we have found out is it invokes a great
deal of conversation because it's everybody's own personal choices on this.
And what it does quite often end up doing is
it brings out questions from people who are just puzzled
or befuddled or.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Offended.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Why would you choose that because of this, Like I said,
when when I when I took it three years ago,
initially originally for guilty pleasure man, I put America, which
even as I put it down, and it was kind
of silly to do that because America is in the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame there, they're, you know,
one of the great rock bands of the seventies.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
And but I put it down because really I was
kind of looking I like them so much.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
I was looking for a spot for him on the list,
and I had pretty much every other category taken care of.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
But uh, but there were a lot of people who said, oh, well,
what do you mean, how can you do that?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
There's you know, so that I got it and I
and when I redo mine later this summer, you'll you'll
hear a different choice on that. But the other thing,
and this is why we're happy to post this as well.
The other thing is I've had friends of mine who
heard us do this in the past and said, hey,

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I'm I'm getting together with a group of people this
weekend or I'm going off the weekend till Lake with
some friends, and I'd like to like to do this.
And I said, Okay, I said, you know, it's just
me perhaps, but I think it works better when you can.
And that's what we ask of all the people who
take this UH have a song too as a sample

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or example, or it could even be one that you
feel best exemplifies that band or artist. That's why we
have can loaded in and then and then play it afterwards,
so you can do that if you whatever, if you've
got iTunes or Spotify or whatever whatever, you know you're
are some of those other UH services still even around.

(26:32):
Camp Napster was one of them.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Don't think Napster is still around as far as I know.
You have Apple Music, Spotify, the big two UH, Amazon
Music because they are the only ones to have the
rights to Garth Brooks's music catalog. Wow, can not listen
to Garth Brooks on Spotify or listen to you know,

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cover bands because for a while, you know, the Beatles.
You could listen on iTunes, that's where I listened to
Paul McCartney. You can listen to cover bands, but you
couldn't listen to the Beatles. And then eventually they were
able to get the catalog. So Garth Brooks only on
Amazon Music. And there's like YouTube music and stuff. I
think those are the Big four, might be some other ones.

(27:16):
I use Apple Music a lot of people I know
you Spotify. The only one I know that uses Amazon
Music is Chris Quinnerley, who works for the University of
Texts because he is a massive Garth Brooks fan. Quinner
Is quinner is wow, huge Garth Brooks fan.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Okay, all right, so that's why that's it. Okay, all right,
So anyway, you can certainly check out you can check
that out and uh and and camp. We'll have that posted.
I'm I'm answering a text right now. We we were

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do to have Gene Watson join us here, but they've
had a family emergency come up, so we're wish him
the best. It's not Gene, but it's a family emergency,
so I'm I'm letting him know. That's okay, we'll do
it next week. That's there's certainly bigger things in mind,
so we'll definitely definitely do that. But as we as

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we mentioned, we'll we'll have all of that posted there
updating things. The College World Series first game.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
In Omaha.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
They're in the top of the ninth inning. Coastal Carolina
holds a seven to four lead on Arizona. Arizona did
get a lead off double, so they've a man at
second with nobody out and it's in the top of
the ninth inning. Coastal scored three runs in the bottom
of the eighth, I guess it was or one in
the seventh and two of the eight to break a

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four to four tie. Coastal led to nothing. It was
tied at two, Coastal three to two, Arizona went up
for three, Coastal tied it at four, and then they've
scored the last three runs and they're up seven to
four with Arizona batting in the top of the ninth inning,
So nothing is settled yet on that. That's the first
game going on there. The second game this evening will

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match Louisville, which gets to play in the slot of
the one seed because they won the regional where the
one seed Vanderbilt was playing, and then he went on
and won the super regional as well, and they'll play
the eighth seed Oregon State. So anyway, that's the deal.
And just to update it, Arizona has two on with

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nobody out now runners on the corners nobody out, so
that game is far from finished. Yet even though Arizona's
down to its final three outs in the ballgame at
seven to four, Coastal Carolina in that one and then
tomorrow the other two games of the College World Series
will feature.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
In the day game.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Who was the number fifteen seed and obviously would have
come to Austin for the Super Regional.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
I had Texas won that regional, but they didn't. UTSA won.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
It went out to Westwood out the Los Angeles and
UCLA swept swept that super Regional from UTSA. Still, it
was a great year for the Roadrunners won forty seven
ball games. Pat Hallmark is going to be a coaching demand.
I have a feeling and that that was that's gonna
be the daytime game tomorrow and then what mini feel

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is going to be the headliners tomorrow night. It's the
one matchup where the seeds have completely held the three
seed Arkansas the sixth seed LSU. So those two will
get together and that's gonna be a big thing. And
of course they played in was it the week before

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Texas played Arkansas? It might have been, yeah, the week
before and LSU won two of three, so it'll be
interesting to see that. Kate Anderson I'm sure we'll pitch
for LSU tomorrow night and and Zach Route will go
for Arkansas, so they'll have their two aces going right
at each other. I would imagine tomorrow night in that

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first game there at all. So anyway, all right.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
We need a break, and then when we come back,
we'll we'll shift gears, we're.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Gonna we're gonna do some other things, and we'll be
back with you and we'll continue here on thirteen under
the Zone. Okay, to go with us now for our
weekly conversation with the Chicago White Sox director of personnel,
who joins us now on the hotline. I appreciate the time, Geno,
And first of all, your guys were in a very

(31:45):
very competitive series with the division leaders in the American
League West, the.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Houston Astros, and I talked.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
We talked last week about how the Socks have made
some moves for and you said, we're pretty excited about it,
and then we saw them go through a very competitive
series just completed with Houston.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
Yeah, and we're going to move into Arlington this weekend
and their bats are alive and well now, so hopefully
we can pitch well this week and continue to play good,
and it's really a residual of us calling up some
of our top prospects in the last two weeks and
injecting that talent and that energy into our twenty six
man roster. And so, while we still have a great
deal of work to move into that upper tier of

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upper tier of major league organizations, we've we've played well
the last ten days.

Speaker 7 (32:28):
So it's been fun to see.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Tell me about the trade that you got picked up
Aaron Savali in eight hundred and seven thousand dollars, I
guess coming over in the consideration there for Andrew Vaughan.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
How about how about this this deal they got announced today.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
Well, you never have enough pitching, and when you look
what the U Snaschos are doing right now, they are
just the model of what good pitching does for you.
You lose Orlander, you lose Bregman, you lose Tucker Alvarez
has been out with an injury, and they just keep
winning because of solid pitching. And so it's kind of
been our mantra that we've tried to done. We've done
a great job on the waiver wire with minor league

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releases in the Rule five Draft, and we felt like
this was an opportunity to give Andrew a little more
runway with another organization and a fresh start. It allowed
us to get airin and get his innings into our
rotation and see what happens moving forward.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
The other deal I thought was kind of interesting was
the deal that was announced today that the Rays picked
up for us Whitley from the Astros in exchange for
cash considerations and Withley, of course, and you pointed it
out in the past, was once listed as a top
ten prospect in baseball, but he was DF eight, he
was designating for assignment on Sunday. He was picked in

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the twenty sixteen MLB Draft seventeenth overall at a high
school in San Antonio. And while he's kind of had
things go up and down for him, I know there's
still the race still field.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
There's some value there.

Speaker 6 (33:53):
Yeah, and we had a lot of interest in that acquisition.
There just wasn't a lot of links for us right now,
and that's really what we're looking for. But Forrest was
definitely on our radar this week. But you know, sometimes
a young man like this from San Antonio into the
Astros organization, that pressure of feeling, you know, the pressure
of living up to a Roger Clemens and a Nolan

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Ryan being from Texas and just all the anticipation that
comes from being a first round pick. This is gonna
be a great opportunity for him to go away and
get a fresh start. And and truthfully, nobody does more
with less than the Tampa Bay Rays when it comes
to pitching. They have a real simplistic way of doing things.
And and Forrest was certainly a big target for us,

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and he'll do a great job for the Rays when
he gets over there.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
You know what, I'm glad you brought this up about
pressure that young guys feel. And I'm gonna go a
couple of different directions with this and get your thoughts
on this. There's there's always that that pressure, especially for
rookies when they come up.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
But I've got to get your thoughts on this.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
First of all, you have a guy in uh Jacob
Mazeroski who comes out for the for the Brewers and
he takes the mound in the sixth inning in his
major league debut, and he had a no hitter going
then and then he couldn't finish it because of I
guess they said cramp. He can do the write cap
in quadricepts. Some guys are just unaffected, aren't they in

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their big league debuts or even a rookies even if
they played the game or two and it ended up
taking him out of it physically a little bit. But
some guys seem to manage it a lot better than
some other guys do, No.

Speaker 6 (35:30):
Question, I think that plays heavily into the selection process
when you're taking players in the draft and you just
look at their makeup, their DNA, their competitiveness, and I've
seen many many players over the years that had all
the ability and tools and skill set to be successful
major leaguers, but they lacked that confidence. And even the
very best of major league players, you know, have a

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very insecure setting because this game can change so quickly
on you. And you know, Jimmy Leland used to say,
the more commas in the salary, the more insecure the player.

Speaker 7 (36:04):
And it's people have no idea how truly hard it.

Speaker 6 (36:08):
Is to stay successful on a consistent level to the
major league level.

Speaker 7 (36:12):
It's it's a miracle for the guys that do it
longer than five years.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Okay, so how about guys you talked about? You know what,
Jackson holiday and the pressure he fell coming up other
guys and now you know, Uh, the Angels today called
up Christian Moore, number eight pick in last year's draft,
So he's going to make his big league debut in Baltimore.
He was promoted to Triple A last month. He had
started off had great numbers at Rocket City for the

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trash Pans. I just wanted to say trash pandas by
the way, they're double a bar and then and then
playing for the Salt Lake for the Beast. So now
he's brought up and here's another guy I know there's good,
there's great hope for him. By the same token, that's
a young guy that has to balance that kind of
expectation and pressure that goes with it, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (36:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (36:55):
And the one the one thing you want more than
anything is you want the team to be playing well
when you make the call up, and the Angels certainly are.
You don't want it to be a situation where the
player fills the levity or the pressure to have to
come up and carry the team. And it kind of
helps when you can do it when the team's on
the road. And so I know Perry's thinking and all
of this was let's get through Seattle and that dominant

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rotation that they have, and then let's examine it at
the end. But again, as we've discussed before, you really
don't know how guys are gonna do. Look at Kid's
City with Jack cagleone who's certainly had some hard luck
when it's come to his performance right now, but and
he's going to be fine down the road. But you
really never know what these guys are here to do
until they get up here, and even then there will
be an adjustment period at some point.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
All right, So let's go to the other end of
the spectrum.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
The Dodgers have been playing about five hundred balls since
they started eight to zero, and they've got a huge
series with the Giants starting this weekend in LA. They're
only up one game on San Francisco and two games
up on San Diego. They did take two or three
from the Pod reach in San Diego, but they've just
been kind of tread and water, and lately Shoe a
Otani has not been swinging the bat that well, and

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all of this attention is starting to focus on when
he's going to return to the mouth. It seems like
every time I watch a Dodger telecast. They're reporting on
how he had another bullpen, he did some more live work,
things like that. And I'm sure La, with all of
the injuries they've had with I guess fourteen pitchers on
the injured list are trying to be very, very careful

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and play this even as they need more starting pitching
and they're going back to back bullpitn and games of late.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Well, let's just look at.

Speaker 7 (38:30):
The performance he had last year over one hundred.

Speaker 6 (38:33):
And sixty two and beyond, when pitching didn't factor in
at all, and now look at the performance now when
his attention has been divided from his work regimen, to
his training schedule, to the time spent on the mound
in the bullpen, in meetings, pitch shape, pitch design, all
the things that you're trying to get back just from

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a field standpoint, not even a preparation of end game,
and look what it can do to your offense. That's
why I believe we'll never see what we saw last
year ever again from show Hey from an offensive standpoint,
But I know they're going to take it slow. I
know they're probably examining that right now, and I know
that they're probably going to need him down the stretch.

(39:13):
But the bigger thing that the teams like the Dodgers
have to manage is that just the you know, your
playoff caliber team. You know the talent is there. It's
just it's not wishing away the season just to get
to October, because you really can't turn it off and
turn it back on. And you see that a lot
with teams that clinton early in September. They start giving

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guys days off, they start manipulating the roster, and here
comes that wildcard team that rolls in October.

Speaker 7 (39:39):
And so I think they're in a good position.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
They know they're going to get healthy on the mound,
they're going to get show Hey back at some point.
But really it's just managing the day to day and
trying to you know, get rolling at some point, knowing
that we got a really good chance to win in October.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Talking makeball, Gen Watson here on thirteen hundred the Zone,
I want to ask about a team we don't talk
about much, and lately in the past couple of years,
we haven't had that much reason to talk about them.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
But they're right now, right now, if you.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Go through it, they are the hottest team in the
big so that well, they have the same mark as
the Mets of the last ten ball games in one
eight out of ten. I'm talking about the Blue Jays,
and they're they're within striking distance of the Gang. He'sa
four and a half back right now. What is it
about Toronto that that you're seeing as you watch them
a while of a sudden, they kind of turned it

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back around and are starting to really climb the ladder here.

Speaker 6 (40:34):
You know, Toronto's a lot like Seattle and the fact
that they're kind of just tucked away up away from
it all until people can figure about them easily. But
I think coming into the season that the expectation was
really really high there. I think that they believe they
were a playoff caliber team. They didn't get off to
the greatest start. They've had injuries, including Dalton Varshow, one
of their top offensive players. But they're beginning to hit

(40:56):
and they've done a great job offensively and the pitching
has stepped up. They're definitely a situation where they're going
to have to make a move to improve the team
to stay competitive within the division.

Speaker 7 (41:07):
Forget the playoffs. They just have to stay competitive within
the division.

Speaker 6 (41:11):
But they I think everybody expected them to be in
this situation, and just what they're going to do in
July and determine how far they push into October.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Let me keep it in the American League East and
get your thoughts on another rookie, a guy who made
kind of a splash, Marcella may Or with what he
had a couple of home runs the other night when
when the Red Sox beag Tampa Bay.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
What do you see from that young man?

Speaker 6 (41:32):
Oh, my gosh, I've I've followed Marcelo. I got to
know him well when he was a high school senior
in San Diego. And first of all, the baseball acumen
is off the charts. This kid is one of the
best young hitters in the game of baseball. And and
what Boston has done and Mike Rickard, their scouting director
who's now with the Arizona Diamondbacks, did just a tremendous
job of drafting very, very talented players that had great makeup,

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that were great teammates. And all of the those players,
even the players we got Chase midra of, Kyle Tiel,
winkl Ming and Zalez, Braden Montgomery, all fit a profile
of tremendous competitors, tremendous makeup guys, and also tremendously talented players.
And Marcello has got a chance to be one of
the really, really good players in the game of baseball.

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And he's surrounded by very similar skill sets around him. So,
you know, Boston is a team in that division that
really has a lot of young talent, almost so much
that they have to work on moving guys around the
time to get everybody there at bats.

Speaker 7 (42:32):
But just a tremendous young man.

Speaker 6 (42:34):
I got to know him well out of East Lake
High School in San Diego and certainly excited for his future.
I want to ask you about another young guy who's
who's really capturing a lot of attention across leagues, and
go halfway across the country and just go across town
from you.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
A lot of folks are saying this guy, this Pete
Crow Armstrong. You know, he had his eighteenth home run
of the season last night. You of course have followed
these guys since they were younger than they are right
now as well, but to see them blossom at an
accelerated rate has to be pretty impressive.

Speaker 6 (43:09):
Well, the coolest thing is that his real life mom
is the mall to Little big League, and that's something
that he lives with every day. I think he's literally
asked about it every day. But just a tremendous young man.
He's a guy that I've also seen since he was
a sophomore in high school. And you know, he always
had the you know, run, fast, jump, high, throw of

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horror killed skill set. I don't think anybody knew how
it would all come together from a performance standpoint, but
he certainly put it all together.

Speaker 7 (43:36):
And he is the star of the city of Chicago
right now.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
Everybody loves this kid, and he's done so much and
energizing and being the catalyst of that ball club, and
he's kind of made them go. Him and Sciosayaki have
kind of been the two guys that have made them
go so far.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
We're getting closer to the Major League Draft, and there's
so much of your time is spent on getting your
ball club at your organization's preparations together. We've talked about
this sliding scale in the past, and that is the
amount of high school graduate players coming out of being

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drafted as opposed to this rising number of college student
athletes coming out once they reach draft eligible age, Where
would you put it, say, even if you're just talking
about the first round, the compensation round, even the first
couple of rounds of the draft, where would you put
it in terms of a ratio if you could, if

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you put your finger on it. High school guys coming
out for the draft as opposed to college guys who
are draft eligible.

Speaker 6 (44:42):
I think this year is going to be a very
heavy high school shortstop draft early on. I think the
advantage that the college player has is when the high
school season ends so early in mid May early June,
the college game keeps going with the regional super Regionals
and Omaha, so guys can gain momentum late by their
performance and those events. It's really remarkable how different the

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drafts are from year to year. And I think as
a landscape, like everybody's understanding that you can get pitching
really anywhere in any round and a lot of more
vehicles than you can of hitters in the draft. And
so I think really in the top three rounds, you're
going to see a lot of heres going off. Once
you get past the Witherspoons and the Kate Anderson's and

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the Seth Hernandez, you're going to see in the Liam Doyles,
You're going to see a lot of bats go off
the board, and specifically high school middle infielders.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Right now, right now, is the best player in the game,
Aaron Judge.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
There's no question, There's no question.

Speaker 7 (45:45):
I think he's working on a five war right now.

Speaker 6 (45:47):
And it's June fifteenth, and you know, Babe, Bruce's got
the highest war ever in a season at fourteen to one,
and he's well on his way to maybe eclipsing that.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
But there's no question.

Speaker 6 (45:57):
But I will say this, Bobby or Man, this guy
is unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (46:03):
He literally cost us the game Sunday in our series
with him. We had a chance to sleep him and
he hit a home run and made an unbelievable play shortstop.

Speaker 6 (46:11):
And you know, the difference in the two would be age, obviously,
but also that one plays a premium position in one dozen.

Speaker 7 (46:19):
But right now, it's kind of Aaron Judges world. But
Bobby Wood Junior is going to rule this world pretty soon.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
He's Gene Watson from the Chicago White Talk front office
joins us each week to talk Major League Baseball. Gino,
I appreciate you taking the time send our I love
to Melanie and her family there and hope everything goes
well for the family. Okay, appreciate you guys talking to you.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
That is Gene Watson to join us as he does
each week on the program to talk Major League Baseball,
and it's always good to get that perspective of him
from him on both the major leagues as it currently
stands and the upcoming draft the minor leagues because he

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scours the minor leagues. He said, he's been to every
minor league ballpark, you know, for the past thirty years
across the country. So it's always a great perspective to
get from him every week. One final in the big
leagues this afternoon. Pirates beat the Cobbs at Wig League
two to one. Was the final in that one, all right.

(47:23):
Coming up next, we'll update the US Open leaderboard, and
we need to get Cameron's thoughts on the NBA Finals.
It's a pretty important game tonight in Indianapolis at the Fieldhouse,
so we'll do that coming up next one.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
We continue on thirteen under the Zone to team Lotson

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joining us to chalk Major League.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Baseball as we do each week, so we'll do some
more about that. We updated you on the College World Series.
Coastal Carolina did win that game.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
They hold on.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
And won it by a score of seven of four,
and it went from runners on the corners, so nobody
got out with the time runner to play the Arizona
to them coming away completely empty handed, a double play
ending the ballgame. So Coastal is the first team to
win in Omaha. They will play the winner on Monday.

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They'll play the winner of the game between Monday or Sunday.
Sunday they'll play the winner of the game between Louisville
and Oregon State, and those two teams will play tonight
at Charles wab Field. The loser that game will play
Arizona elimination game on Sunday, and then, of course tomorrow

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will be the as they call it, Bracket two.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
We'll get underway.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
The first game will be UCLA against Murray State, and
then the second game will be the three seed Arkansas
against the sixth seed LSU US Open continues in the
second round. Cameron, it looks like it's a log jam
near the top of the leaderboard, but everybody's kind of

(49:30):
falling back a little bit. I guess you might say
it's compressing a little bit, which is quite often the
case by the time you near the midway point of
a major championship, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Yeah, that's sixty five from Sam Burns. Today looks even
more impressive as the day goes on. I think to
my count, only four golfers today have shot under par.
Jason Day of the sixty seven who start a seventy
sixty yesterday, so he went from on the cut line
to inside the cut line now T fourteen. Gracerman who

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also shot a seventy six yesterday at sixty seven today
he's up the three over par with Jason Day, Victor
Hoblin a sixty eight, who is in fifth place all
alone one under par for the US Open, and then
Sam Burns that sixty five. There's a couple other guys
on the golf course right now who are currently under par,
including Maverick McNeely, Thorburne, Olison, Nicholas Norgard, Nicholas Norgard, and

(50:27):
Andrew Novak was at one point looks like he's back
to even par over a part, and then the other way.
Other golfer Thomas Dietree. But JJ Spahn, who was your
first round leader coming off of bogie. Now at fifteen
he's tied for first with Sam Burns at three under parts,
so JJ can still get back up to even par
or above par. And then the other name Tristan Lawrence,

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who at one point had birdied three of his first
four holes, now is bogie four of his last five
holes to go to the fall down the two under par.
He's one over par on his round. So yeah, only
five golfers Craig under par for the US Open. Two
golfers at even par, so only seven golfers in the

(51:08):
total US Open, which to believe, let's see here one
hundred and fifty six golfers, yes, one fifty six, so
only eight golfers seven golfers out of one hundred and
fifty six or at even par are better for the
US Open so far.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Here's here's a couple of changes.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
First of all, spawn time for the lead is just
on the par three sixteenth hole, has driven it into
the rough to the right side of green. He's gonna
have difficulty getting down in two. Tristan Lawrence, who you
just talked about, playing the back nine first and so
he's playing number one right now, the par four first hole,

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and he almost hold out from the fairway. He's going
to have a tap in birdie to go to three under,
so he's going to go back into a tie for
the lead.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
So it's going to go up.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
And now, meanwhile, the defending champion is edging closer to
not being around on the weekend. Bryson to Shambeau just
came out of a bunker and flew past the stick.
He's had six over right now, And did you say
the cut line is going to be.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
At plus seven plus seven. Let me check to see
if the odds are changing on that, because there was
a thought it could go up to plus eight at
one point. Let's see data golf right now. Yeah, seventy
one percent chance that the cut line is at seven
over par, with a twenty eight percent chance it could
be at six over par.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
So we'll see.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
But yeah, Bryson, you just mentioned him. He had won
sixteen to the pin with a wedge in hand mild
of the fair away and he's looking at a possible
bogie here or worse. So not the day for bryceon
He's been up and down, started off bogie, then a
birdie at twelve three, straight bogue. He's followed by a
birdie at seventeen and then on the front nine, which

(52:52):
is his back nine for the today's round, bogey birdie,
bogey par and now looking at a possible bogey which
would put him right on that line number. So we'll
see what happens with Bryce and Schambeau, who was my
pick to win this week.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Yeah, all right, all right, So speaking of bogee birdie
body bogie, let's talk about the NBA Finals. Uh and
uh and and I know you you had a really
good feeling about the Thunder going into this finals. Uh.
You didn't necessarily say they're going to walk through it,
but you but you had a good feeling about it
as well. Has that feeling changed a bit by what

(53:28):
you've seen from especially from Game three. What's now being
reported is that the Thunder is just suffering late game
fatigue and and the Pacers are kind of putting their
foot on the gas and been able to outpace them
in the no pun intended in the final five to
seven minutes of these games, the last two of the
last three.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
It's it's been tough to tough to handle. I'm not
in a good place mentally right now, trying to hang
on and watch these finals tonight. Basically not going to
fool anybody by saying this tonight's the finals. Even though
game five is and okay See down three to one,
you know your chances are coming back are very slim.
You gotta win the night Game four in Indiana. And yeah,

(54:10):
you know, looking at game one in Hali Burton's game
winning jump shot, just like it did against New York,
you know it changed the momentum in the series. Perhaps
even though I thought okay See played great in game two,
but game three, you know, back and forth and just
late game turnovers. You mentioned the fatigue part. Really no excuse,
okay s he's a better team, but really struggling in

(54:31):
this finals against an Indiana team that does match up
well with them. So Game four tonight at Indiana, I mean,
you're gonna need a huge game from the supporting cast
because you know, SHA's played very well, I think, but
outside of that been some up and down performances, a
lot of just we have not been here before energy
from some of the role guys for okay See, and

(54:53):
I think you're seeing that with just some careless mistakes.
Just Teja McConnell had like three steals off an inbounds pass,
which is just killer, absolute killer, and usually it's okay.
C is the one that sports and needs to turnover.
So the series is tonight Indiana wins, they'll I think
they'll be NBA Finals champions come Game six. If Oka
se wins tonight, then I think there's a chance that

(55:13):
they could flip the series and get this done. So
but yeah, I agree, I thought this was going to
be okay. See, I think five or six was my prediction.
Obviously they can still win in sex. We're not going
to win five, but hey, we'll find out.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Other than that, talked about wrinkle that that the theories
come up about being fatigued in the final five to
seven minutes whatever. The other night, Indiana out scored Oklahoma
City in the fourth quarter thirty two to eighteen. They
were down five going into the fourth and it was
the second time in this series that the Pacers had

(55:49):
outscored the Thunder by a double digit margin in the
final quarter. So, you know, a knee jerk Reactually, maybe
they were just tired of whatever. Mark Daniel said. I
just thought they really outplayed us on both ends. So
what goes into that, What goes into the out playing

(56:10):
them for that. And let me also say this too,
there have been some flat out moments where and this
is something like you said, shake Gilgess. Alexander's played really
really well, but he had a mid range pull up
jumper in the fourth quarter sga him was and that
was his only field goal in the fourth quarter. In

(56:31):
your estimations, Indiana doing a lot differently to take the
game away from him or to keep him from making
a being a difference maker in the final few minutes
of the ball game.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
A couple of things.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
I think Defensively, they're doing a great job of them,
especially in Game three. I think offensively, okay, se has
the ability to switch a lot defensively, and Indiana has
really attacked that, and they're taking advantage of mismatches that
I think Minnesota felt to do and even at sometimes
Denver felt to in the previous two series. For Okay, see,

(57:01):
Indiana is not having any trouble with that at all.
So I'm curious of Dagnal the sides to move away
from from switching in this game for it. Does he
keep it up? You know, he's a fantastic coach, But
I think I think Rick Carlisle deserves a lot of
credit because the way he has coached in the playoffs
overall has been fantastic and for every chess move that

(57:22):
Oka Se has, he seems to have an answer. And
in okay See is struggling with that. And you know
you mentioned the shape part about it. You know, he's
had up and down moments. I think he's been great
in the finals, but obviously struggled in the fourth quarter
against Indiana in Game three. You just you just can't
have that in Indiana just out executed I think okay

(57:42):
See in Game four, and they did down the stretch
also in Game one. So Indian has been the better
team in the fourth quarter so far in this series.
And I think there's that little side who wins tonight.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
There's there's one another factor. And I think this was
unexpected because let me say this. You know I mentioned SGA,
but without him they're down three games. To note, he's
played really well. The one thing that a lot of
folks are pointing to is that Miles Turner is flat
out out playing chet homeward yeah series, and that I
think has a lot of people surprised.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
I said he was going to be the X factor
in this series, and he has He's been great. It's
been awesome to see it as a Texas fan, as
a okay see fan, not so much in for Chet.
I mean, think about it, this is really kind of
like his rookie season in the NBA. You know, he
missed his first season. I guess it's sophomore season, but

(58:33):
then even you know, he missed eight to ten weeks
a little bit longer, so he's still figuring out what
his game is. Miles Turner is not. Miles Turner knows
who he is and he knows how to attack Chet,
and it's been used in this series, and you know,
it's real tough to figure out. Like, if you're going
to pick an MVP for this series, it would probably
be Halliburton at this point. But I mean, you know,

(58:56):
matthern to what twenty seven points?

Speaker 5 (58:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:58):
In Game three, Turner has played great, McConnell has played great,
so they're.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Getting even nies.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Smith has had his Momentmith has been phenomenal. I know
Boston really misses out on him what they've been doing.
You know, for Indiana, they're just again they just have
all these like okay, see, they have all these guys.
They have great depth and anytime someone's not there to
step up, another guy's right there in his place. And okay,
see throughout the season has had that, but so far

(59:26):
in this series just hasn't been there. Has not been there.
That has to change in Game four. Me India has
been another team I think for this series outside of
you know, Game two. Overall, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
All right, we'll be back to wrap up today's edition
of the program here on thirteen under the Zone.