Dodgers Win a Marathon, Playoff Paths for Texas CFB Teams, Potential Cowboys Trades

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Folks on Tuesday afternoon. How you doing. I hope you're
doing all right.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
If you happen to stay up for all six hours
and thirty nine minutes of the Game three of the
World Series last night?

Speaker 1 (00:27):
You uh, your movie was like this. That was an
actual yawn.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
By the way, I was gonna say, did he plan that?

Speaker 4 (00:36):
No?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
But it was an actual yawn. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome
in the program here on Sports Radio AM thirteen under
the Zone. My name is Craig Wayne. Yes, it was
up for all of it to the end.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
My deal was.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Obviously, had to broadcast the Texas women's exhibition basketball game
at Moodie Center last night, and they looked impressive and
they won over Texas Women's University.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Want to wait fifty four?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
And I did have Game three of the World Series
on an iPad over the side, but I really wasn't
paying much text to it.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
After I had to call a basketball game, but.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I would look over during commercial breaks or stoppages and
play and seemed like that, and just so I could
also update the score during the second half. Our producer,
of course is Jay Carman, and Jake was on the
board last night. Was kind of our studio anchor as well.
Were you keeping an eye on the game as well?
Did you have it up on the laptop?

Speaker 5 (01:24):
Yeah, I had it up on a laptop with a
split screen with the commanders as well. So it was
a busy night in sports, both on the board and
off the board.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
So, in other words, the yawning like that it would
be for the six hours and thirty nine minutes the
baseball game or the Commander's offense, take your pick, right.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
That game was in the deep freeze as soon as
Kansas City went up two scores. There was no way
that offense was coming back from down that much against
the Steve Spagnolo defense and this Commander's season, Craig is
circling the dream.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Did you was anything said about whether Jane Daniels to
be back next week?

Speaker 3 (02:01):
He's going to test it out.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
Okay, he's going to make a he's going to do
his best to come back this week and what's now
basically a must win game.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Okay, all right? Is it Lions this week?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
It's the Seahawks, oh in Washington on a Sunday night.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, okay, all right, we'll see how that rolls out.
So anyway, I had the unique opportunity of calling a
full basketball game going home and then watching eleven innings
of baseball because the game, of course you've heard by now.
World Series Game three tied for the longest game by
innings in World Series history, eighteen innings, longest game by

(02:40):
time in World Series history. It matched the eighteen inning affair,
also a Game three, also at Dodger Stadium back in
twenty eighteen, also ended by a walk off home run.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
It was Max months He seven years ago.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
It was Freddie Freeman last night, leading off the bottom
of the eighteenth inning. The Dodgers win the game over
the Blue Jay six to five. But to me, and
people know me, they know I am a Dodger fan
and was obviously happy that they wont. But I have
to tell you that Joe Aotani's unbelievable numbers and heroics

(03:21):
aside two homers, two doubles, and walked five times, four
times intentionally, once unintentionally, and the nine times region based
is a World Series record and tied a Baseball record
of regular or postseason of just reaching based nine times
in a game. So aside from that, and that's pretty remarkable.

(03:46):
And obviously the Freddie Freeman home run. As someone who
watched conservative estimate one hundred and twenty of the Dodgers
on hundred and sixty two games this year, because it
works out a lot of time for me time wise,
because they play a lot of West Coast night games.
I'd be at home and I'd turn it on. I
have the MLB Extra Innings package, so I'd watched the

(04:07):
Dodgers games. So I watched this club from April all
the way now through October. And as we know, as
everybody knows, the underbelly has been the bullpen other than
of late here in the postseason rookie Sasaki. Otherwise, the
bullpen has been really spotty at best and at times

(04:28):
really really unreliable. And so as as a result of that,
you know, I thought they were living on borrow time
last night, especially when it got to this largely unknown
fellow by the name of Will Klein. I'd seen him
a couple of times during the year, and he was

(04:49):
anything but impressive. He had struggled, He had not thrown
more than thirty pitches any game. And you know, my
wife Linda looked and said, who's again. I said, yeah,
you remember him, big old gingy yeah, redhead, red Beard.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
You know, so big gingy.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, you know, it's amazing that he it got down
to the point he was all they had left. Now
if it had gone to the nineteenth, if it had
gone to the nineteenth inning, it would have been Gosheba

(05:29):
Yamamoto on one day's rest coming back just to pitch.
If it had gone to the nineteenth for the Blue Jays,
Shane Bieber, who is tonight's starting pitcher, would have been
out there for Toronto if it had gone to the nineteenth.
But for will Climb to pitch four scoreless innings, for
the bullpen not to allow a run after the topless seventh,

(05:52):
all the way through the rest of the ball game,
for eighteen innings, eleven scoreless innings of relief of the bullpen.
That that, to me, is really the story of the game. Yeah,
as much as anything else. I mean, I understand the
Freddie Freeman heroics. Let me also tell you the Dodgers
squandered many opportunities in the game, including several starting in

(06:14):
the eighth and ninetheenning all the way through through the
seventeenth where they could have won the game and didn't
do it and left you know runners on bases, So
if they had lost that game, they probably would have
been feeling worse than Toronto about it.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yeah, eighteen left on Toronto left nineteen. But like you said,
the Dodgers had a few more chances with runners in
scoring position. They were two for fourteen. Toronto was two
for twelve. It's just unbelievable, unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
It was an amazing ballgame. There was some incredible defensive plays.
There were some defensive miscues by both teams, but also
some incredible defensive plays, each team throwing a throwing a
runner out of the plate.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
What do you think of the send for Toronto?

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Uh, well, I think you know.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
I mean, i'vely Schnyder was running to remember, Yeah, yes,
and he does look like he's carrying a piano on
his back. I will grant you that. But I think
they thought in that situation, Goy and him because it
was going to take two good throws, and you got
taoscar and Anderson right field. He's been suspected best of
the time. One thing about Tao's Tato's got a good arm.

(07:21):
He didn't know where it's going, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the judgment on fly balls but he made a
good throw and ed Been made a perfect relay.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
And I mean they were just standing there.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Will Will Smith could have you know, trimmed his fingernails
waiting for Schneider to get to the plate. In fact,
that's why they challenged, saying that he blocked the plate.
But once he's in a receiving position, has it and
turned There's that doesn't apply anymore. It does allow the
runner to plow into him if he wants, but he didn't,
and Smith but to tag on him. And so there

(07:51):
was that big minute moment. The other big moment Clayton
Kershaw coming out on the twelfth inning, bases loaded, two outs. Uh,
coming in Clayton Kershaw, future hall of him had been
a starting pitch of virtually his entire career, comes in
and is asked to get one out and he did.
It took eight pitches, but he did. He got a
big out there. They had guys like him, Edgardo Enriquez

(08:13):
with two scoreless innings there, you know, and she had
pitched well out of the pen. So but Will Klein
was really the story on that of four scoreless innings,
Nobody expected that. And Toronto pitched very, very well out
of the pen as well, and till it got to
the eighteenth and there was Freddie Freeman with the walk
off home run.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
So the Dodgers now lead two games to one. What
does it mean? Well, coming up?

Speaker 2 (08:38):
I asked Gene Watson if he would come on with
us today, even though we wouldn't schedule come on later.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
In a week emergency appearance.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
And he's fine to do it. He'll join us from
a cruise ship. He and his wife are on a cruise.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
This is like Yamamoto getting losed last night.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah, So Gino is going to join us here
in a few minutes, so we'll talk to him about it.
I don't know if he even got to see it
where he was on the cruise. Sh blast say, maybe not,
but I know he knows all about it by now,
so we'll get his thoughts on that. Also on the
program today in the three o'clock hour, excuse me, in
the three o'clock hour, Greg Tepper, editor in chief Dave
Campbell's Texas Football Magazine, joins us for our weekly conversation

(09:16):
on college football and high school football in the state
of Texas. We're going to hear from a couple of
long worn players today, which we do on Tuesdays, so
we we'll hear from Ethan Burke and also from Parker
Livingston that's coming up in the program this afternoon. So
a lot to get to will get to your text
as well. All you have to do is text the

(09:38):
word Texas followed by your question or comment to eight
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Standard messaging and data rates may apply. Coming up next,
Gene Watson joins us here on Sports Radio AM thirteen
under the zone of the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Los Angeles. Silver Cool Car Show's going back before that Star.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
It's the Craig Way Show with the voice of the
Texas Longhorns and Hall of Fame broadcaster Craig.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Alice Hounds. Her Davis called it on Fox last night.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
A little later on, we'll let you hear Steven Nelson's
call on I Think It's k l I C A
M five seventy in Los Angeles, the Dodgers Audio Network
with the Freddie Freeman walk off home run to win
Game three of the World Series and the bot leading
off the bottom of the eighteenth last night on the
three to two pitch and uh and the Dodgers of
a two game to one lead.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
So uh.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Gene Watson, of course is our MLB insider and Gino
when the front office of the Chicago White Sox was
due to join us later in the week, but after
that epic game last night, I reached out to him
at two o eight a m. And said, any changeon,
come on, gotta have you on tomorrow if you can
come on, not realizing that Gene Watson was out on

(11:11):
a cruise ship in the middle of a body of water.
Is it the Gulf? Is it the Pacific Ocean? Is
the Atlantic?

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Goat?

Speaker 2 (11:18):
He's joining us right now, live on a cruise ship.
How you doing, Geno.

Speaker 7 (11:26):
I'm great, Craig, what a night.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (11:29):
We're actually headed to Coasta Maya, Mexico right now. Coasta
Maya than Coasta mel So. Uh. This uh, this tech
was rocky by Roll Caribbean.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Hey listen and and and thank Melanie for for the
loaning you to us for a few minutes here. If
I had known you were on a cruise yeah, I
was still want to ask you if you could come
on because this game was just amazing.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Uh. Last night. Just a tremendous baseball get.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
First of all, did I'm not sure were you even
able to watch any of it from your perspective? I know,
obviously all the intel that you get and all the
reports and everything that you get, so you know exactly
everything that happened in the ballgame.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
But you did you even get a chance to watch it?

Speaker 7 (12:15):
We did. We actually, my son and I watched just
about every pitch of it, and then you know, we
finally retired dark cabin and you know, you know, my
wife's a big October baseball girl. She loves October baseball.
You can't get anything from April to September, but she
loves to watch the playoffs. And I was actually just
fading off when Freddie hit the home run, and so

(12:36):
what just a great game. We had friends that were
at the game. I don't I mean, I mean, it's
just amazing the star power that was in the game,
the future Hall of Famers, all the storylines. But just
to get into it, like what Will Klein did, Yeah,
was unbelievable. Four innings hadn't been stretched out. He was

(12:58):
in Arizona at home home a month ago, didn't even
know he was going to be on the playoff roster
until Vestia got taken off, and just incredible. We drafted
Will out of Eastern Illinois and Kansas City. He was
traded to the Mariners, put on waivers, the Dodgers claim him.
And that's what it takes in games like this, because

(13:18):
when you get into the underbelly of your bullpen, you know,
it's really really hard to navigate through these two powerful lineups.
And that's what made the game so unique, is like
everybody's underbelly of the bullpen performed to their highest maximum level,
which got us to the eighteenth inning. But the Freddie

(13:39):
Freeman home run unbelievable. What sho Hail Toddy did incredible.
But Will Klein is actually the big hero of that
game last night.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Could not agree with you more.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I completely agree and I want and that's part of
the reason I wanted you to come on was to
tell a little bit about Will Clein's journey.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
All I knew about Klein was this he had.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Been DFA by Oakland in January, and then you mentioned
the Mariners.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
They end up working the deal. He'd been DFA twice.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
For folks who don't know what that is, it's designated
for assignment, you accept the minor league asignment, or you released.
And then and then I saw him a couple of times,
even watching like I mentioned earlier in the program, I've
seen maybe one hundred and twenty of the Dodgers games
this year, and I've seen him a couple of times,
and he wasn't really impressive. He can't really struggle to
find the strike zone and all this stuff. And like

(14:26):
you said, he was sitting down there in Arizona, all
of a sudden he comes out, and you know, my
wife asked me, he said.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Who is this guy? And I said, he's just a
big gingy, you know.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
And he gets out there and just had command of
the strike zone all I could see him getting tired
in that last inning that he worked, top of the eighteenth.
But how much, like you said, you guys drafted him
with the Royals, how much did you know about him
coming out of Eastern Illinois.

Speaker 7 (14:50):
First time I ever saw him pitch was on the
backfields in Peoria with the Mariner's president, Jerry Depoto, whose
son Jonah was actually his roommate in the minor league.
And so the Mariners obviously had a great deal of
interest in based on that look, and Craig, you know,
as you move along the developmental path, and you're a
super talented pitcher, and Will Klein at a time was

(15:12):
arguably one of the best hidden secrets in professional baseball.
Just a super high ceiling, great arm, great stuff. But
as you move along the developmental path, sometimes there can
be friction between you as a player and what you
think is best for your development and the organization and
what they think is best for development. And and sometimes

(15:35):
when that happens, organizations, rather than coming alongside the player
and seeing their vision for what they think their career is,
they just move along. And so you know, he's he's
been dfa'd a couple of times, but certainly I think
that the first time any anybody ever saw him in
pro ball, they would tell you they're not surprised at

(15:55):
what he did. It's taken them a little while. The
journey has been incredible for him, but he is certainly
on the map now. And knowing Will and his makeup
and his competitive spirit, that was a big night for
his career last night, and I looked forward to seeing
just a wonderful young man. I can't wait to see
how it goes for and moving forward.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Gene Watson joining us from a cruise ship here to
talk about the World Series on Sports Radio AAM thirteen
Under the Zone. He was definitely the most stand out
guy working the four scoreless innings. I want to get
your thoughts on the other guys, Ed Garter Enriquez a
couple of scoreless innings.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
There for the Dodgers. She and did his job.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Roki Sasaki continues to pitch well in the postseason. And
how about Clayton Kershaw coming in and folks look at it, well,
he's a Hall of famers as he's only got to
get one guy out to walk into that situation in
the twelfth with the bases loaded, knowing you're being asked
to get one out, but it's a you know, a
gosh darn huge out when he walks to the mound there.

(16:55):
And I thought Freddie Freeman made a really good point,
Gen know when he said the first pitch was an
eighty nine mile an hour slider he said, and I thought, wow,
we got to throw back Clayton here. But he had
to work it into full cap before he got that
little tap roller out to get out.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Of the inning.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
But that was another just a unique development of that
ball game last night.

Speaker 7 (17:17):
And you know, there's only a few players in the
world that are built for that moment, and Clayton Kershaw
is certainly one of those. And when he steps on
the mound, the Toronto Blue Jays don't see eighty nine
to ninety two Clayton Kirkshaw, you know, on the last
leg of his career. They see the back of the
uniform and it says Clayton Kershaw, and they know they're

(17:38):
gonna get his very best And what a huge moment
for him. I love the videos of his family absolutely
panicking in the moment and then being so celebratory after
it happened. But you know, Hernandez that great, big arm,
but he threw strikes more than he typically does. She
and I mean, that's what I'm talking about, the underbelly
of the Dodgers, and and it speaks to the expectation levels.

(18:05):
They know that it's twenty six men and they know
that everybody's gonna have to pull the rope. And that's
certainly what got us to eighteen innings, and that's certainly
the reason they won the game last night.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
All Right, let me get your insight. You've been in
the clubhouses after dramatic wins and losses in postseason play,
from your time with the Braves, with the Marlins, with
the Podres, obviously with the Royals as well. How about
your thoughts take us inside the clubhouses. And I guess

(18:35):
it's easier the perspective of the Dodgers since they were
the winners. Although it was weird seeing Yamamotos starting to
warm up, that's what it had come down to. But
they could come back with Otani, who has that incredible
offensive game last night. That's got to go to the
mound and pitch. So about your thoughts, first of all,
of the mindset and the physiology and the middle approach

(18:57):
of the Dodgers going into this game, and then we'll
get your same much about the Blue Jays.

Speaker 7 (19:03):
Well, it's certainly still early enough in the series. Had
that been Game five or six, I think it's more
of a gut punch for the Blue Jays. But but
Snyder's done such a great job of building the identity
and the makeup of this club, and they certainly don't
feel like they're out of it by any means. We
talked last week about what that fifteen inning game did

(19:24):
to the Seattle Mariners, and it was taxing, you know,
to have to come back the very next day and
play again tonight. You know, the Blue Jays are a
little bit on the ropes right now. They feel like
we gotta win tonight, and I think getting out to
an early lead is gonna be super important because if
the Dodgers jump out, I think that's gonna have a

(19:45):
little more effect on the teams than last night's lost
that because they're on the ropes right now. But I
don't think Snyder's gonna allow that to happen. He's done
a great job of reshaping the identity of the ball club,
the clubhouse, the leadership. But it's going to be really important.
And I mean, Mike Gosh, you know, we we got
to see the home run and the walk off, what

(20:07):
those players went through after the game with the media
and the medical and you know their families. You know, Dot,
you've been a Dodger stadium. Though they stopped selling beer
in the eighth inning, it went out of a more inning,
so or ten more innings, so like you know, now
you're calling restaurants to get late reservations overnight to eat dinner.
I mean it completely throws out the routine of a

(20:30):
regular game and the toll that it takes on the
position player's body. Like I will bet you everything that
there's it's show and go today. There's no VP. I'd
be surprised if there's BP on the field. You know,
the workload is going to be so much lighter, especially
in a time where Major League teams are are paying
so much attention to workload management. Tonight is going to

(20:53):
be a real interesting game from a fatigue standpoint. I
feel like if the Dodgers can jump out and get
ahead early, they got the Blue Jays on the ropes.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Shane Bieber will start for Toronto tonight. He was starting
to get loose down in the bullpen, didn't get hot,
heated up, but he would have been the next guy,
just as Yamamoto would have been the next guy for
the Dodgers. The difference is Yamamoto on one day's rest
was not going to be the starter for Game four tonight.
That's obviously you know. Showe a Otani and I thought

(21:24):
it was interesting. Tom Verducci asked, show A how do
you feel now? How are you going to be able
to fill tomorrow, and the only thing he said was
I need to get to bed as soon as possible.
You know his routine and we've read of his routine
about sleeping ten eleven hours, that sort of thing to
get himself into that. How about from the starting pitcher perspective,

(21:44):
Bieber for Toronto and Otani for the Dodgers tonight.

Speaker 7 (21:50):
Well, Bieber had to get hot, and there's no way
that doesn't tax him a little bit from a how
many pitches he can throw tonight's standpoint, So a bullpen
is going to really have to step up. And and
that that those two guys being up is a testimony
to how important the managers felt that game was, because

(22:12):
you know, you want to stay in line. You don't
want to give up two games just to win one
when when you've got the depth that these two teams have.
So that that spoke a lot to how where the
managers felt like, Hey, if we can win this game,
we're in the driver's seat. Show Hey, I mean the
last person that I'm worried about being prepared for for
sonight to show hail TONI he will, he will pivot

(22:34):
on his routine. He'll manage it a little bit differently today,
but it's going to be really interesting and Biab you know,
also coming off the sixty day I l late in
the season and then to have to throw a pin
and get hot the night before a start, that's a
little bit of a different routine for him, and so
it'll be interesting to see how he comes out.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Final thing here is as long as you've been around
the game. Those who have been around the game and
managed the game, or played the game, or broadcast the game,
or wrote about the game, whatever, they've all been asked
a lot of them. Anyway, in the last eighteen hours
where this game ranks. Dave Roberts quote was it's one

(23:17):
of the greatest World Series games of all time, is
the way he described it, and I think most people
will agree with that from what you see and you
think about this. There was the eighteen inning Game three
against Boston in twenty nineteen or twenty eighteen that Max
Munsey hit the walk off home run, but the Red Sox,
I think everybody knew that was only delaying the inevitable.

(23:38):
The Red Sox were definitely far and away the best
team that year and went on and won the series
in five games. There was the Kirk Gibson home run
in eighty eight, the crazy Game six of the Mets
Red Sox in eighty six, the Buckner ground ball. There's
so many other big, big moments that have happened in
World Series played. Where does this for you rank in

(24:01):
terms of World Series all time performances.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
I think it's up at the top because you've got
so many Hall of Famers on the field. You've got
guys whose careers are ending, Max Shus or Clayton Kershall.
You've got arguably the greatest player to ever put on
a baseball uniform in the series. And you've got a
team going for back to back World championships. What hasn't

(24:28):
hasn't happened in in you know, twenty plus years. So
just and the and the last thing, and I said
it last week, is the global impact of this series.
Everybody in the world is watching this series. You know,
thirteen players from eight different countries, the Latin American players involved, Japan,

(24:48):
You've got the entire country of Canada watching, and you've
got arguably the largest market on the West Coast watching.
So just the global aspect, I mean, this game is
the talk of sports today across the country. And watch
what happens on viewership tonight. Your common baseball fan is
going to be watching tonight based on last night's baseball game,
and I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
No doubt about it. Hey, Geno, I appreciate the time.
Thank you for allowing me to interrupt the cruise. I
should thank Mellane for allowing me to interrupt the cruise.
Continue to enjoy it and we'll talk when the series
is all said and done.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
I appreciate it, all.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Right, Thanks, that's an Island time service.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, well we got it.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
We got it in just in time there before the dropouts,
so that it was good. They're good stuff there from
Gene Watson. What a ball game last night, as he mentioned,
and this is where we insert the phrase the always
pivotal Game four in the best of seven series when
it's two games to one, made even more pivotal because

(25:53):
of what happened last night in Game three. Yeah, so
absolutely so, we'll see where it goes all right up next,
We have inconceived a lot of people would think that
that game was inconceivable. There's another connective tissue to the
Dodgers or Dodger Stadium in specific with regard to inconceivable,
and it's in the file. That's next here on Sports

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Radio AM thirteen Under the Zone and the iHeartRadio app.
The second hour of the program a year on Sports

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Radio AM thirteen Under the Zone Craig.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Waye joined by the producer Jakerman.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Coming up in a few minutes, we will have our
weekly conversation with Greg Tepper, the editor in chief of
Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine, talking college football and high
school football in the state of Texas. Want to get
to a couple other texts, because those of you kind
enough to text, we do try to get to those
and those who get the opportunity to do that. Somebody said,

(27:03):
I love the Dave Campbell's Texas Football segments. Are the Aggies.
The best team in the country is the mean Green
offense putting it together? What about defense? So we'll ask
him those things. Coming up. Also, I would say, oh, well,
here's another Texter who should get afternoon. I'm not trying
to start anything, but was just wondering if you had

(27:25):
heard any comments about xavier're Worthy wearing his helmet during
the national anthem last night. It was probably just him
being totally focused on the game. On money, not football,
but it could have been misconstrued as something else, and
I would hate to have that young man labeled when
from everything I've heard or read about him as absolutely positive.
But being a veteran myself, I did notice, and I'm
probably not the only one.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Thanks have a great show. Thank you for the text.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I've not heard anything about it, and obviously I didn't
have I was calling the women's game and I had
the World Series up on the iPad, so I did not.
This is the first I've heard about it. Haven't seen
anything on media about it, so I don't know. I'll
continue to look and see that I have not.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
I'm not saying any stories or comments on it at
the moment either.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, all right, so if we're see anythings, certainly we'll
let you know.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
And then the other thing is when you get when
you're doing this on the text line, it shows the
number of the text. Obviously, it doesn't necessarily reveal the
texter's name. That's up to them if they want to
tell us their name, but it shows the number, and
this one specific number we get in almost every case

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the person is grumbling mainly about the offense about text.
It's a bit about Sark as well. So, for example,
there was one yesterday where it said, you've seen in
call many games. Have you ever seen a college team
that was near the bottom statistically offensively in their conference

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after eight games all of a sudden become an offensive
juggernaut from game nine until their last game of the season.
The answer to that question is no, I haven't, But
I don't think you have to be an offensive juggernaut
to win the league when you've got a top ten defense.
And this Texter's questions are almost always about the offense
or about Sark. Now, I get a lot of that

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because the offense hasn't performed to where they feel are
capable and should, so I'm in agreement about that. The
stats don't lie with regard to that, but I think
the balance is defense and specialty teams have been among
the best in the country in the month of October,
and that's why they have gone three and one in
the month of October. Saint Texter, who today said Diana

(29:41):
Rossini reported of the weekend that Sark is eyeing NFL
job openings.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
That's not what she reported, but I'll get back to
that in the moment.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Sarks camp in sarks Camp's official statement was sark is
solely focused on coaching the University of Texas football team.
It's what sarks Camp didn't say that lends credence to
Rassini's reporting. It's a parent that sarks Camp. You're big
on saying Camp. I remember you did this earlier when
you talked about the whole thing about archers Camp. Same guy,

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sarks Camp is relying on semantics since they didn't say
sark is one hundred percent committed to fulfilling the obligations
of his contract, that would completely blow a hole in
Resinis reporting. To the contrary, it only raises even more
speculation about his true intentions.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
I could see where you go with that, but I.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Think it would be it would lend more speculation if
you're mentioning the contract obligations in the contract to the
first part of your statement where you said. Diana Rasini
reported over the weekend that Sark's eying NFL job openings.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
That's not true. That's not what she reported. I have
it right in front of you.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
What she reported was his representatives have reached out, and.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
So again that could be semantics. What you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Their quote was any reports regarding communications on coaching opportunities
with NFL teams are patently and wildly inaccurate. Sark has
solely focused on coaching the University of Texas football team.
I don't know how you can make it that much
clear other than saying I'm never going to take a
pro job. And you never want to say never anyway,

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because you never know. And I even said this on
Saturday when it was on with the guys on Long
Rae's Game Day. Those of us in the professional world,
and I'm not just talking about coaching or playing or broadcasting.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
I'm talking about any line of work.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
You always kind of keep your options open in case
somebody something falls from the sky, or somebody you know,
a person that they know liked your work and was
interested in having you come to work for them. It
could be in any industry, so you keep your options open.
But what got Sarkin has represented is upset was the
fact that Rassini had reported that representatives reached out, and

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they said it's patently false.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Nobody reached out.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
And I think it's also important to remember I heard
two or three other people point this out. You rarely,
if ever, hear of agents coming out publicly and saying
it's wrong. It's usually the coach deny, deny, deny, or whatever.
You don't hear the agents doing it. The agents put

(32:14):
things out there, let it fester. The agents don't come
out and say it's patently false and wildly inaccurate. So
I understand what the text are saying about. With regard
to semantics. I think you look at it semantics any
number ways, including the words in that text that you
just sent in to us. So it's going to be

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based on individual interpretation. And I'm not saying that he
isn't open to the possibility of other jobs. Anything is possible, certainly.
I'm just saying that what was reported is being vehemently
denied by his representatives, whom she reported were the ones
reaching out. She did not say that he was eyeing

(32:56):
other NFL openings. They said that the representives we're doing
so again, semantics just depends on what your interpretation.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Of that is. But that's okay.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Somebody else, Wow, And I thought I was obsessively texting
this show. Hey, you're right there too, I recognize your number.
It's okay, though, listen, we welcome them. That's why I
read them.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, come on, leave us a talk back.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Okay, it's okay, you can leave us a talk back
on the talk back line.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
I'm I'm an open book on this deal. It's okay.
I don't take any umbrage of this.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
I might differ from your perspective on it, but that's okay. Now,
you're certainly entitled to it, and I'll you know, put
it out there and respond to it.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
That's what this show. Part of what this show's all about.
All right.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Up next, we're going to talk college and high school
football with Greg Tepper, editor in chief of Dave Campill's
Texas Football Magazine. When we continue on thirteen Under the Zone,
text by here on a two fee afternoon on sports
Radio AM thirteen under the Zone. I'll ask the producer,

(34:06):
Jay Kerman, you know where Luke and Back is.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, I've never been Fredericksburg.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Uh, hey, you're kind of in the general vicinity, you
go out west of it.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Yeah, I was doing that. Was that was a guess?

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Well you're not.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
It's not that far from Frederick's Okay, good, that's a
pretty good guess. Yeah, kind of like between Fredericksburg and uh,
let's see. Yeah, maybe Bernie. I guess, uh.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
You know that that kind of thing. It's it's all
out there. Uh O.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Our next guest, Native Texan Greg Tepper, editor in chief
of Dave Campbells Texas Football Magazine.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Why do I get the feeling you've been through lucan
Bach before?

Speaker 8 (34:44):
Yeah, I've driven Drew, I've seen it. It's uh, it's
it's a pilgrimage that I think you're you're required to take,
uh to to pastors Texas's.

Speaker 9 (34:52):
And ship tests.

Speaker 8 (34:54):
But yes, that's that's one between there between Green all
those places that have legendary day.

Speaker 9 (35:00):
The tolls, uh, that field.

Speaker 8 (35:02):
And that is one of the things they don't they
don't necessarily tell you growing up, is that Texas is
going like like getting the full Texas experience is going
to require some boot scooting, is going to require some
honkey talking. It's going to require you to visit some
dance halls, uh, scattered across the state. That's a that's
a key, key part of our culture around here.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Hey, I've been to the one in Coupeland.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
That's Copeland, Oh, Son of a Gun, which isn't around anymore,
Copeland dance on.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
You went to Copeland, I was there.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
I was there a few years ago. I saw Miking.
The moon Pie is now known as Silverada. But we'll
leave that story for.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
They are right, very good, all right, So there's a
little more textan to you in there. He also Jake
also owes it to himself. Does he not tip to
get to Mary's Cafe and Straw and have a trigger
ride Steak?

Speaker 8 (35:47):
Yes, yes, absolutely, there's there's At some point, whenever I
find enough time, I'm not to get.

Speaker 9 (35:54):
Together with the big Camel's crew.

Speaker 8 (35:56):
I just put together a Texan list of, like, here
things you need to do, because that's the fun thing
about covering, especially high school football, is that you also
get all these other lessons of like culinary and dancing
and things like that. And so those are the types
of things. But at some point we're gonna come together
put together an actual list. And yeah, Mary's and Strawn

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is certainly on that list. Uh, don't order the Large.
Your eyes are bigger than your stomach.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I promise that large is about as big as that board.
Oh really, Jake, it's the largest take ris Take you'll
ever see.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
And I had trouble again through a small and and
my son with whose eyes was bigger than his stomach,
ordered the medium, and he couldn't finish it on the media.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
See you also get me straightened down in the text
and Tuesday.

Speaker 8 (36:40):
Yeah, yeah, we can get you.

Speaker 7 (36:44):
Effort.

Speaker 9 (36:44):
Okay, we're in this together. We're all like, we're all
going to get there together. That's the nope.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah, all right, so let's uh let me start with
college and uh, you know, obviously it was another survival
to for Texas, so they you know, lived to play
another day in terms of their sec hopes, and we'll
see how they do against Vanderbilt this week. But a
lot of people pressing about the Aggie still are eight
and oher, first.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Time they've been eight to oher in a long time.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
And the final straw on the Brian Kelly experiment that
failed in Baton roused Lsu.

Speaker 8 (37:21):
Yeah, I mean, look, they they beat him so bad,
they ran the coach out. I mean, that's that's awfully impressive.
And it was like, I mean, that's that's that's partial joking.
But at the same time, it was thorough. I mean
there was really no even when that game was close,
it never felt.

Speaker 9 (37:37):
Like Lsu was going to up and get the Aggies,
which is.

Speaker 8 (37:41):
Something that I think has been really important for this
Agis program to just get over to its kind of
you know, vanquish a lot of the ghosts that have
the deviled them over the course of their sec tanions.
You know, the valley has been a problem spot for them.
It's been a place where they have not had a
ton of success, and they've proven that this year is

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different and they're doing it. Really what's funny is that
they're doing it in kind of a different lake, and
that they're doing it with a highest line offense. You
know normally here that the you know x CC be
able to come in here and play some deepens. And
sure enough, they've got some some defenders or defensive lineup
that played particularly well and involved. But the plant and symbol,
the name of the game right now is that Marcel

(38:24):
Reid has been spectacular and their receiver corp is maybe
it was dangerous in the sec Casey Concepcion I think
has been arguably the best receiver in America this year.
Uh and then certainly dangerous. And so for the Agis,
you know, it's it's all some China daffodils right now.
And the thing in Mike Craven Road. The Texas Football
Dot coma this week that uh that went over LSU

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like they like, they locked in essentially a playoff spot.
They had a college of little playoff. I mean, it
is hard to see barring a completely unforeseen collapse that
would probably take a loss to Samford and Home, it
is hard to see A and M missing the college
football playoffs at this point that they've done enough. It

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would have to take some sort of, you know, some
sort of complete collapse and not to be in the
field of twelve. They've looked that good and they've proven
that much. And right now two real signature wins when
win on the road, one at Notre Dame and now
one at LSU.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
The Texas Tech you have in number two in your
power pole, and theirs was thrown into a little bit
of doubt because of the loss of Arizona State, but
they bounced back with the blowout of Oklahoma State. Other
than the BYU game on November eighth, and that's a
big one.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Do you see them.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Getting a challenge playing in Manhattan Kansas State. It's kind
of been up and down. I can't see them having
any trouble with UCF at home or West Virginia on
the road.

Speaker 8 (39:47):
I think that the way that this Tech team is built,
that that's gonna be They're going to be the favoring
and the rest of their games because they're built defense first.
You know, the defense has been the real star of
the show. I think Jacob Rodriguez, their linebacker, has been
one of the best players in the Big twelve. Simple
and he has been terrific.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (40:05):
You know, the offense obviously came to life last week
against Oklahoma States, although everybody's offense has come to life
against Oklahoma State, They've they've been just etcetera. Playing temple,
and so they are looking like a team to be
in the Big twelve still, even when that one lasson
on the road at Arizona State. Now, I will say
that contrary to what we were talking about with A

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and M, where A and M feels like they're right
now a lock to the college football Playoff barring some
extreme collapse for Texas Tech, I do think, and Mike
Craven run about this on Texas Football dot Com just
today that for Texas Tech, just looking at the way
that things are shaking out, it does feel like they're
going to have to win the Big.

Speaker 9 (40:47):
Twelve to get in the college football playoffs.

Speaker 8 (40:49):
Right now, it does not appear that that the college
football playoff is going to look like it's going to
include more than one Big Twelve team. Maybe I'm wrong
in those first college football playoffs rankings can not come
quite yet, but I do think when you take a
look at it the way the things are brewing in
the way that you know the Big Ten is looking
where they're going to get multiple teams, and the SEC

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is now going to get multiple teams, and you.

Speaker 9 (41:13):
Know this is going to be a for the Big twelve.

Speaker 8 (41:16):
You can't count on the benefit of the doubt on
getting a let's say Big twelve.

Speaker 9 (41:20):
Runner up in the field of twelve.

Speaker 8 (41:22):
And so I think if you're a Texa Tech, you
got to say we got to win the we gotta
win the conference to get in the playoffs. Player in
simple and I was always in goal, but I think
that now it's become more crystallized. There was there was
a possive leave that let's say they were twelve to
know going into the Big twelve title game and they
were to lose the Big Twelve title game and finish
twelve and one I think there is a possibility that
that team.

Speaker 9 (41:42):
Will get in, that that Texas Tech team will get in,
but that tex of Tech.

Speaker 8 (41:46):
Team can't exist anymore with the lost Arizona State. I
think they're going to have to run the table to
rest the way to guarantee themselves a spot in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Interesting, okay, all right, and then you have one G sixteen.
I had two power force. The G six is North Texas.
There's seven and one. And what a huge game they
have with Navy this Saturday. You have them ahead of
SMU and Baylor. Both of them just uh experienced losses
over the weekend. That was that was kind of a

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really unsightly defeat for SMU losing at wake Forest, wasn't it?

Speaker 9 (42:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (42:19):
It was?

Speaker 9 (42:20):
And it snaps.

Speaker 8 (42:21):
It was the first ACC conference loss, by the way,
and then at least a regular season conference loss. Uh,
And and that is disappointing because the offense is totally
know showed against wake Forest. You know, that was a
winnable game that was there for the table that the
offense could have just been average, but they just couldn't
find any intensively on the road. And that's disappointing for

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for them. Now, you know, not no chances that we'll
make into the ACC title game. Obviously dwindle a little
bit in a return trip to the ACCA, or rather
a return trip onto the playoffs. You know, barring winning
that that ACC or it leasn't that large.

Speaker 9 (42:58):
It is probably out the window.

Speaker 8 (42:59):
As well with multiple losses, and so I think that
you know, for S and U, that was disappointing.

Speaker 9 (43:04):
But you mentioned North Texas. You know, you're right, it's
a huge game this week against an easy and an.

Speaker 8 (43:09):
Opportunity to just get back on the beach front as
far as these big competitive conference games and take down
in that Navy team that does feel like they're built
to beat, you know, North Texas go. You know the
North Texas defense and has struggled against the run.

Speaker 9 (43:23):
And you know, maybe once one thing they do.

Speaker 8 (43:27):
Well and they sit on the football and they just
limit the number of posessions that you get. The more
you can keep drew the ball out of drew the
mess to Maker's hand, the better.

Speaker 9 (43:34):
He's the hottest.

Speaker 8 (43:35):
Passer in the nation right now because over six hundred
yards last week. I think that if you are you
know Texas or North Texas, you have to find a
way to get a couple of stops and maybe played
from behind. If they can do that, and then then yeah,
I think North Texas can get a real signature winning
contents gone.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yeah, And uh, you know, it's funny.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I've never seen an athletic director do this before, but
there's the ad openly campaig for ESPN College Game Day
to be in Denton this week. They ended up not
choosing it to go on to Salt Lake for Utah
and Cincinnati, and and that's a reasonable choice as well,
but I certainly understand the the purpose behind that, the
appeal to try to get them to come to Denton.

Speaker 8 (44:15):
Oh yeah, absolutely, I mean that's that's That's the thing
is that you know right now, the North Texas brand
is very strong. You know, obviously the football team is
playing well and they're.

Speaker 9 (44:23):
Playing exciting football.

Speaker 8 (44:25):
And it's not necessarily a huge week of of of
signature games across the nation. You know, some of the
games that I think a lot of the network for
banking on, most specifically Ohio State and Penn State, well
that's really fizzled.

Speaker 7 (44:40):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (44:40):
You know, Penn States went out coach, and so that
I think is is for North Texas an opportunity to
kind of beat their jest, say hey, why come to
Denton and numb for a big game, you know, and
and and two teams that you don't often spotlight there
with that with Navy North Texas obviously they pass on it,
but it's going to be it's gonna be a really
interesting test, I think for North Texas and an opportunity
still to take to take kind of center stage. One

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of the other things that's very strange about this week
is that it's an old slate of games more or less,
but I believe there's five midweek games, like there's two
games tonight. I think Texas State and UTEB both play
and not against each other.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
That's correct.

Speaker 8 (45:17):
It's a it's a strange schedule this week across the
state of Texas.

Speaker 9 (45:21):
Uh that that has has left it leaving.

Speaker 8 (45:25):
Uh, it's less of this weekend kind of or especially
the Saturday kind of launting as far as big games
prompton of the state.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
You know what changed all of that, I think to
have maction. When the Mid America Conference started playing Tuesdays
and Wednesdays. I think the other G six leagues looked
at it and said, here's a way to get national exposure,
and so the Sunball has leaned into it heavily. Obviously
Conference USA has through their deal with UH with CBAS

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so I mean it's it's a way to get some
programs some exposure, I suppose for some of those schools
of nothing else.

Speaker 8 (45:59):
Yeah, I love to see, you know, And obviously we
don't know what ratings mean anymore because the ecosystem is
so fractured in the media, But I will say I'd
be interested to see what the ratings of these midweek
games are because you know, I know that the MAC
and certainly the MAC is in my opinion, the weakest

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conference in you know, the macro, the Conference USA is
the weakest conference, and certainly the MANAGIN.

Speaker 9 (46:27):
Being highly highly regional.

Speaker 8 (46:29):
But I would love to see what those ratings are
for these midweek games, you know, compared to maybe like
a Saturday game where you're buried against you know, Texas
playing on CBS or a Fox or something like that.
I'd be really interested to seeing how well these midweek
games do, because obviously the whole point is to get
more eyeballs on it than you would on a crowd
at Saturday.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
No doubt about talking football and the Lone Star State
with Greg Tepper, editor in chief Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine.
Follow him at Tepper on x and then obviously if
you subscribe to Texas Football Texas football dot Com of
all kinds of great offerings and things, plus live viewing
of these high school games which are headed down the
home stretch. What is on your mind, not necessarily a

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specific game, but what are the themes that are going
through your mind right now heading down the stretch of
the regular season, in the final two to three weeks.

Speaker 9 (47:21):
So I'll I'll give you an on field and I'll
give you an off field. The on field is.

Speaker 8 (47:25):
Obviously that it's crunch time now and for a number
of teams, the playoffs start this week and they are
facing win or go home games. The way you think
about it, Craig, there are a good number of teams
that have a week eleven open date, which means that
for a number of teams across the state, this is
it like they're blowing up basketball on Monday. I mean,

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it's a football season ends for a number of teams
across the state this weekend, and so the urgency, the
sense of urgency is kind of increasing across the state
of Texas. I think one of the things that you're
gonna be keeping a line on, you know, more aggressive.
Now is the time where we start paying attention to tiebreakers.
I know there is a game down there Saturday night.

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I believe it's Waller and cy Rancher or something like that,
and Waller needs to win that game by more than
eleven because.

Speaker 9 (48:19):
Of the tiebreaker situation.

Speaker 8 (48:20):
So it's getting it's getting down to the wire, down
in the nitty gritty as far as that is on
the field off the field. This is a really for
real Texas high school football sickos.

Speaker 9 (48:31):
Like myself and you.

Speaker 8 (48:33):
I know, this is a really really compelling week because
it is snapshot week, my friend, for those who don't know,
UIL's by any realignment where they take the teams or
take the school, get your enrollment and then get ready
to start.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Dividing you up.

Speaker 8 (48:51):
Realignment comes in early February. But Snapshot Day, which is
the day when you're supposed to turn in you're take
a snapshot of your enrollment. What you're enrolled is, and
that's the number you're used you used to get aligned.

Speaker 10 (49:04):
That is this week.

Speaker 9 (49:05):
That is Friday, and so we are going.

Speaker 8 (49:08):
To be tracking those numbers and tracking teams.

Speaker 9 (49:10):
That may be moving up, teams that may be moving down.
And it's always an interesting look not.

Speaker 8 (49:15):
Only for what it means for Texas high school football,
but it's also just an interesting look at the way
that demographics are shifting across the state of Texas. You know,
when new schools opening up all over the state and
things like that. That is one thing we are definitely
keeping an all one off the field because you want
to talk about something that's want to impact every single
team in Texas. Snapshot Day is a massive day for

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those who know on it.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
You know, people will know me like yourself, know that
I am not am not a conspiracy theorist that said,
I've wondered from time to time with a publication of
Snapshot Day, if it wasn't some sort of encouragement by
certain shall we say, officials within a school day trigger

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of school to kind of come.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Up with a fair day or an open day, there's
something like that where.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
They don't have as many coming in to kind of
limit the enrollment or something like that. I've often kind
of wondered if that happens in some places.

Speaker 8 (50:14):
Look there I am. I am positive that there are
some squirrely things that go on. I will also say
that there is a pretty robust kind of enforcement mechanism
within the U I L that if you get if
you get caught, uh, if you get caught budget your
enrollment number, they've got some hammers.

Speaker 9 (50:33):
They can drop on you.

Speaker 8 (50:34):
That happened recently, say that there were some enrollment numbers
that got fuzzy and and a team got got absolutely
a program got hammered by them.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (50:43):
And so that is one thing to keep to keep
an eye on.

Speaker 8 (50:47):
As far as you know these these enrollment numbers as
they flew in. You can try, certainly, but if you
get caught, there are punitive measures that the U i
L can take that can and I think are are
make it relatively prohibitive for you to try anything.

Speaker 9 (51:02):
Any funny visits when you're enrollment number.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, I agree, and I do remember when that happened
in that program. All right, meanest thing we do to
each other, give give you three games. You tell me
which matchup that you would show up at. You can
only be at one of these. So your choices, should
you choose to accept them, are in six A. You
got a seven and one Galena Park North Shore at
a seven and one ce King in five eight Division one,

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keeping it down in the greater Houston area. You got
an eight no Angleton at a seven and one Laporte
and then drop it all the way down to the
smallest vision of eleven man football to a D two.
From these parts, how about undefeated Granger, those Lions playing
at seven and one Burton this week?

Speaker 1 (51:46):
What is your choice, mister Tepper?

Speaker 8 (51:48):
So that Granger Burton game is fascinating, especially after last
week where Burton got upset by Iola on a last
second field goal with some shitainery. There was a late
penalty that gave them one more chance. It was a
it was a wild finish that Iola was able to
knock off previously unbeaten Burton.

Speaker 9 (52:08):
I am absolutely.

Speaker 8 (52:08):
Fascinated by the Angleton and la portkin because there's massive
implications there. There's injury concerns for Angleton and this is
really our first real test getting to see them, you know,
up against a very stout laport team in their beautiful
new stadium down there in the Port.

Speaker 9 (52:24):
But my answer is going to be that that District
twenty three six eight title, yam.

Speaker 8 (52:28):
Between north Shore and ce King is anything because this
is you know, this is a bit of a neighborhood rivalry.
They're both on the east side of Houston, and this
is the opportunity.

Speaker 9 (52:39):
For ce King.

Speaker 8 (52:40):
You know, we hear Dave Campbell's Sextus Football a lot
from Fair and Trust. You know, we talk about twenty
three sixty talking about north Shore in a task seeon
in Summer Creek, But you.

Speaker 9 (52:49):
Never talked about ce King? What about that? What about us?

Speaker 8 (52:51):
Will I have earned the right to be talked about
in those big terms seven and one, They've looked fantastic.
Here is your opportunity to take the throne. Here's your
opportunity to get everyone in Houston talking about and for
north Shore, a team that lost in Week one, you remember,
and there were huge concerns. All they've done is ring
off seven in a row and look absolutely spectacular in

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doing it. This can be a return to order for them,
or it can be kind of a changing of the
guard in twenty three six A. It is a fascinating
ball game there on the east side of Houston, and
I'm going to be I'm going to be paying the close,
close attention.

Speaker 9 (53:27):
To what goes on there in twenty three six secs.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
He's Greg Tepper, editor in chief Dave Campbell's Texas Football Magazine,
and go to Texas Football dot com for the subscription
information on that tip.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Appreciate it as always and look forward to the next visit.

Speaker 9 (53:41):
And looking forward to my friend.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Take care. All right, all right, that's Greg Tepper, all right.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Coming up next, we'll hear some longmarm football conversation and
get a couple of things when we continue on Sports
Radio AM thirteen under the Zone in the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Second again, watch.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Jim here on a Texan Tuesday. Who are hitting back
with here?

Speaker 4 (54:04):
Right now?

Speaker 5 (54:05):
This is who I saw three years ago, Yeah, three
and a half years ago at the now closed Copeland
Dance Hall.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
I found out about that today.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Who is this?

Speaker 5 (54:15):
This is Mike and the moon Pies now known as Silverada. Okay,
originally from where in Texas. Als is a Texan too,
They are a Texan band. I want to say Lubbick,
but I'm gonna make sure.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Okay, all right, very good, our thanks skin to Greg Tepper,
the editor in chief Dave Campbell's Texas Football Magazine. There
actually here's good news. Fortunately, a local company called light
Stream Presents stepped in and bought Copeland Dance Hall so
it will remain open.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
So that's good. That's good.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
And it's, by the way, a band from right here
in Austin. And I should have known that because sage
Brush is in this music video.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Wow. Okay, very good, very good.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Good to hear there, because that's one of those legendary
haunts like the Broken Spoke is several other places here
around the great Rosston and central Texas and really when
we just talk about you know, great uh, great places
to see uh in in the state of Texas as well.
All right, let's uh, let's hear from one of the Longhorns.

(55:18):
Parker Livingston caught his four touchdown pass of the year
on Saturday, and that was one that had to be
overturned on review, originally called out of bounds, and so
Livingstone was asked.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
First and foremost.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Everybody's wanted to talk about Matthew Caldwell since arch Manning
is in the concussion protocol and so uh Caldwell of
course through that one passing for the touchdown to him
at mostly, but Livingston's asked what is what he is
seeing from Caldwell in practice.

Speaker 10 (55:49):
Yeah, they're they're great players. I mean they execute.

Speaker 11 (55:55):
I mean called well hod unbelievable, you know, two plays
and there when he's when his opportun he came, and
you know, I think he's a great player. When I
worked a lot with him in routes on air and stuff,
that was a nice ball.

Speaker 10 (56:06):
And I think he's a great quarterback all right.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
When he said they, he was also referring to the
guy who ostensibly becomes the number two if Manning is
able to play on Saturday, since Calwell would be the
number one, the freshman kJ Lacey would be number two.

Speaker 10 (56:20):
He's great. I think he can extend the plays very well.

Speaker 11 (56:23):
His fast I mean I see him as like a
brest young kind of guy and just pure dominance.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Wow, right, Sean. So is he vocal as a freshman.

Speaker 11 (56:34):
He's pretty vocal, as you know. I think he's one
of the most vocal guys in that freshman class. So
it's great to see him. I think you have to
be when you're a quarterback, and he's a great quarterback,
all right.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
I remember Callway had a big run, He's had another
big pass and then of course obviously the touchdown pass
as well. So how much do those big plays build
confidence from the locker room in what Callwell can bring
to the team.

Speaker 11 (56:56):
I think it builds a lot of confidence, but I
think we all had a lot of confidence in him
before that. Uh, seeing what he can do, He's did
in the summer, what he did in the fall camp,
and what he's continued to do during the season. I
think he's a great quarterback, and I think what is
you know, his opportunity came, he made the most of.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
It, all right.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
So this is just my personal opinion. I've always found
this odd. This was just an example of what we
just heard, but I've heard this periodically through the years.
I've always thought it odd when a freshman was asked
about how much confidence he had in a senior, in
this case fifth year senior, a grad transfer, but the

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locker room as a whole. I guess the point behind
this in terms of the confidence what about his own
Parker Livingston's relationship with Colwell.

Speaker 11 (57:44):
I want to say he's a great leader. You know,
a lot of people follow him works, he works his
tail off. I mean you saw it in the summer.
We run a lot in the summer and he was
running now fast. He's a fast guy. He's a great guy.
Hang out with him, quite a bit, fun guy to
be around.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
He must be fast if if Livingston is saying he's fast,
because we know how fast Parker is.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Long words, had the fast start in startfield and then.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Had the flattened out period and then got red hot
in the fourth quarter. So he was asked about Sart's
message to the team about starting games better, not only
just getting an early touchdown, but maintaining the momentum.

Speaker 10 (58:28):
I think it just goes back to a practice. We
got to practice, you.

Speaker 11 (58:31):
Know, how we want to play, and so I think
we got to get out and practices and go harder, startup,
start off practices faster, and you know, pour more energy
into the start of practice so we can you know,
on Saturdays, we can get out and jump out.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
On them, you know.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Sark has also been asked about backup players and how
they stay engaged on the sidelines and not just you know,
on an offense, on defense, special teams, but especially you know,
like areas that are pretty deep, like the defensive front
and the linebacking cores and the secondary. But it also
goes to the eye fence as well, and he was
asked what he sees what Parker Livingston sees a Matthew

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Caldwell doing to stay engaged as the backup quarterback on
the sideline.

Speaker 10 (59:13):
He's like always over there.

Speaker 11 (59:14):
He's always watching on the iPad when we get off
out of a drive and he comes up to the
receivers and you know, tells us what he saw. But
you know he thinks a good route, bad route, whatever
it was. But he's always locked in.

Speaker 10 (59:26):
He's right there, ready to.

Speaker 11 (59:28):
Go in if anything happens. He's got his helmet on,
listening to all the play calls through his helmet. You know,
he's like playing out like a mini game on the sideline.
You know what he would do, what he would do differently,
what reads he would go through and whatnot. So you know,
when his opportunities came, he made the most of them.

Speaker 9 (59:42):
All right.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
So we've talked about Livingston speed. Speaking of speed, what
does he think of Ryan Niblett and what's it like
to stand on the sideline and watch him bring a
punt back for a touchdown like he did against Oklahoma
and like he did last Saturday against Misissippi State.

Speaker 11 (59:56):
It's unbelievable of in two touchdowns past three games, I
mean two fifty yard returns against Kentucky. I mean, now,
just probably gonna be a touchdown every time you get
your touches the ball in punt return. But that that
unit's unbelievable. Coach Banks does a great job with that unit.
Everyone's blocking their tails off, So it's just it's awesome

(01:00:18):
to see nibble, you know, have that have those moments
and score like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
One other thing that the coaching staff will periodically do
is they'll show video cut ups of players front who
played at Texas in some relatively recent years and what
they did and how they excelled at what they did.
And this goes across the board in special teams with

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punp returning and kickoff returning. You know, I think there
were returns shown of Nathan Dasher when he played or whatever,
and in nibblet now is kind of having those numbers
nibble it. In fact, the last time a Longhorn had
add multiple hunt returns for touchdowns in a season was
Jordan Shipley, you know nine. And Jordan, by the way,
is going to be our guest on Long One weekly

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this week, so he'll join us and you'll hear that
show coming up Thursday, United at seven o'clock. But the
same goes for defensive players like Quandre Diggs on the
defense and on the offensive side as well. And Parker
Livingston was asked about the clips that Sark shows in
practice of past players executing the offense.

Speaker 10 (01:01:31):
Yeah, so that first play of the game to Wingo.

Speaker 11 (01:01:33):
He showed us a clip of Bama in twenty twenty
when he was oc there and it's first play to
Jalen Wadall and just took it to the crib. So
see those explosive guys, you know, see those guys run
the same offense that we're running.

Speaker 10 (01:01:47):
They'll making the same plays, you know, that we can make.

Speaker 11 (01:01:49):
And so just seeing that and seeing, you know, how
they do it, how we can execute it, and you know,
it's really it's really cool to see.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
All Right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
So there's some things from Parker Livings. The next hour,
we're gonna hear from Ethan Berger. Also gonna hear from
Jerry Jones next hour. Remember he speaks on Tuesdays in
his weekly radio program, so we'll hear some comments from
him as well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
We'll be back to wrap up hour number two. I'm
thirteen under the Zone.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
For an and final hour of the program here on
Sports Radio AM thirteen hundred. So I'm glad to have
you with us on this Tuesday afternoon of things are
well for you. Craig Waye joined by the producer Jay Herman,
and we're with you for another hour up until five
o'clock tomorrow on the program. Andrew Ali Greta, who's the

(01:02:40):
play by play voice for the Vanderbilt Commodorees, will be
with us, so we'll have that. We'll also hear from
Long Warren's head coach, Steve Sarkisian. The SEC teleconference is
tomorrow morning. He usually speaks what right around noon or
so Jake when twelve thirty. Yeah, and Clark Lee goes
directly before him, does he really?

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
See if we can get anything interesting, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Yeah, I would say go ahead and roll on that too. Yeah,
might be interesting year what he has to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Say about it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Yeah, Yeah, convenient little back to back.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
I've heard the last few snippets of his of his
availabilities all season long because of that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Yeah, okay, So we'll hear from both of them tomorrow.
Then we'll hear from both of those those guys. In addition,
to visiting with Vanderbilts. Play by play voice Andrew Alli Gretta,
So we'll do that tomorrow. In the first couple hours
of the program, I got to tell you something to Jake.

(01:03:38):
I was just scrolling through. I was getting back to
a baseball page and I happen to go over to
ESPN's website. Alex Ovechkin looks like a sixty.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Eight year old plumber or something. That dude is Elis looks.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
He looks like probably a sixty eight year old Soviet
refugee or something.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
You know, he's aged. He has aged.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
His play on the ice has not aged as much
as the way he looks off the ice. His diet
and exercise routine is something out of the fast food
junk food Update.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
He's probably tried all of those things.

Speaker 5 (01:04:14):
Really, he's got the same few spots around town that
give him his big, greasy chicken palm and mountain dew
game routine.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
He is.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
He's drinking sodas and eating fast food on plane rides
with his teammates heart and drinking what a lot of
Russians drink. So it's just it's one of those things
where they call him the Russian machine that never breaks
and it's fueled by.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
God knows what.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Yeah, chicken parman Mountain.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Do you say, chicken parm that's his pre game meal
and he's even sings about it to his teammates.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
And washes down with Mountain and he drinks.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Diet Coke during the games in his water bottle.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Yeah. Yeah, Wow. All of a sudden, I that sounds
good for dinner tonight, Chicken parm in mountain or something?
Got eight anyway? All right?

Speaker 8 (01:05:02):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Maybe by while watching Game four of the World Series tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
The game three was epic, It was gigantic, It was
memorable as all of those adjectives that you would ascribe
to it, those those glossy terms that you would ascribe
to it. As the Dodgers and Blue Jays went back
and forth, and it was it was something else. Blue
Jays taking the three to two lead on Alejandro Kirk's

(01:05:30):
home run. That was after solo homers by Tay Oscar
and ennez anchoey Otani.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
So the Jays went up for two. Dodgers come back,
they get, They get.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
An RBI double from Otani and then an RBI single
from Freddy Freeman, so ties it at four Jays go
back up five to four. That was in the seventh
That would be the last run they would score in
the evening. Nobody realized that. Of course Blake trying and
only pitch the seventh inning, so there was but anyway,
after that, Otani hits home run to tie it, his
second of the ball game. Choey Otani has this just

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massive game that's been unequaled in the antles of baseball history.
There have now been I think seven hundred and three
World Series games played. I think they counted that up,
and no man has ever reached base nine times in
the game in a World Series game. No man has
ever had four extra base hits and five walks. He

(01:06:27):
tied a record from a member of the White Sox
back in six with the four extra base hits, but
added five walks. Four of those were intentional, one unintentional.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
So you had that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
You had these amazing bullpen performances on both sides, both
from Toronto and from Los Angeles. The ones from LA
are going to stand out a little more because you
think of a future first ballot Hall of Famer in
Clayton Kershaw coming out. He's you know, the sand is
about run out in the hour glass of his pitching career.

(01:06:57):
He's retiring at the end of this World Series. Nobody
really knew if he was even going to get into
a ball game in the world, so he's certainly not
as a starter. And he comes out of the bull
pen with the bases loaded and two outs in the
bottom in top of the twelfth and gets a ground
ball out to get them out of the inning. That
was after they had gotten excellent pitching performances scoreless innings

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by Robleski and also Shean and Roki Sasaki, so they'd
had all of those, and then it went on from
there where they got into later innings and then the
story of Will Klein and four scoreless innings after Gardo

(01:07:41):
and Ricky's Enriquez had had a couple of scoreless innings
and Will Klein has four scoreless frames. He never gone
over two innings before, he had all that stuff, and
yet it was still tied five to five as Freddie
Freeman let off the bottom of the eighteenth worked to
count the three balls two strikes, and this was the
call on the Dodgers Audio network from Steven Nelson.

Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
Full count on Freeman little delivers Freeman.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
It's on high in the air, straight away center field.

Speaker 6 (01:08:12):
Marshall Packelwalk, Friddy Freeman, mister World Series ends the marathon
at midnight.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
That would have been midnight Pacific time. It was closing
in on two am here local time. For those of
us who stayed up for you said, you made it?

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
How many innings? Did you make it through?

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Fourteen? And then I just the eyes were too heavy.
I had had a long weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Well, and I said, bless her heart, my wife who
has become a big Dodger fan from I guess being
married to me, I would have something to do with that.
I tell people I proselytize during the becoming a Dodger
of him, but really taking her to a couple of
World Series kind of helped the process along, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Just experience. Yeah, yeah, that kind of thing. But she
really is into it, she really is. But she had
work she had to get ready for, and she had
to get to bed.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
She made it through sixteen innings and then finally went
to bed after the sixteenth.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Hat tip to you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Yeah, yeah it was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
That was in the bottom of the eighteenth that tied
the twenty eighteen Game three World Series Game also Dodger
Stadium won by La on a Max Munsey walk off
homer in that one. But it had all kinds of
just explosive, you know, Big Swoll incredible numbers. For example,

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it was the six hundred and ninth pitch of the
ballgame that Freeman hit out. It was in the three
hundred and ninety ninth minute of the ballgame. It was
the nineteenth pitcher deployed in this game. Dodgers used all
ten of theirs. The Jays had nine, and if it
had gone to the nineteenth, we would have seen, uh,

(01:10:09):
we would have seen Yoshinobu Yamamoto. How how, on one
day's rest he went, he went to Mark prior to
the pitching coach and to Dave robertsons, I'm good, I
can give you it inning.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
I can do that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
So uh, it was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
And the Jays were gonna have to go to Shane Bieber,
the Game three starter. They did not have to do that,
in fact, so he will start for them, show Aotani
will start for real late all right, So.

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
I don't know, I didn't know why they pulled. I mean,
that's obvious hindsight. You want lower available yeah, in an
emergency role later, but he can extend he started for
them this year, and if they had to burn Bieber,
that lower decision might have gotten more scrutiny.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. So it was amazing. So
and it was Brendan Little as the guy gave up
the home run. John Schneider, the manager of the Blue Jays,
was asked about a couple of things. First of all,
about the reality of the impact of a game and

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how he thinks his team will respond.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
How big is the challenge to make sure that this
game you don't lose this game twice.

Speaker 12 (01:11:17):
Not at all, I mean, not at all. This this
group is gonna be ready to play tomorrow, you know
what I mean. It's longest game in World Series history,
whatever it is tied for it. I mean, these guys
are enjoying it. You know, they were in the They
were in the right mind set and the right headspace
the entire time, you know what I mean. It's it
sucks that it's late right now. We got to come
back and do it again tomorrow. But these guys are

(01:11:38):
going to be more than ready, you know what I mean.
It's the Dodgers didn't win the World series today, they won,
They won a game, you know what I mean, And
these guys are.

Speaker 7 (01:11:46):
Gonna be ready to go tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Yeah, it's a good point, and La would agree with
him on it. More on that in a moment.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Meanwhile, Schneider was asked about this business of intentionally walking
o Toddy because he had the four extra base hits
and they decided we're not pitching to him anymore. The
rest of last night's game, they intentionally walked him four
consecutive times, and then he was walked in the seventeenth inning,
unintentional intentional walk, so to speak. They pitched to him,

(01:12:14):
but they were all well outside of his own. So
Schneiders asked, you know about the obvious question about whether
you pitch to him in any form tonight.

Speaker 12 (01:12:24):
You know, he had a great game, he's a great player,
but I think, you know, after that, you just kind
of take the bet out of his hands and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Not to give away secrets. But that's pretty much what
we should expect going forward. Yeah, yeah, I get abits
to him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
So the business of what John Schneider said about the
Dodger didn't win the World Series last night. They won
Game three and Dave Roberts would completely agree with you,
and you can kind of hear that in the tone
of his voice when he spoke to the team, even
in a jubilant environment in the Dodger clubhouse.

Speaker 13 (01:13:01):
I just want to say, and I know I speak
for every single person in this club house, I've never
been more proud of each one of you guys.

Speaker 10 (01:13:10):
Uh from the.

Speaker 13 (01:13:11):
Guys playing going way a way, way above whatever anyone
has ever asked of you guys. Not one of you
guys were phased, and every single one of you guys
was pulling through your guys and believed.

Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
In each other.

Speaker 13 (01:13:27):
And we've talked about all the time we're gonna need
every single body.

Speaker 7 (01:13:31):
This is just not rhetoric, this is just not talk.

Speaker 13 (01:13:34):
Tonight prove that we're gonna need every single person on
this roster help us in a baseball game. Those guys'
games everything they had tonight to beat us, and none
of us waivered quit. We continue to fight. That's who
we are. That's who we are. It's because you guys
believe in each other. And this is a special group,

(01:13:55):
this special group, and what Showhy did in the CS,
this couldn't have been a twenty twenty five Dodgers anymore.
This is a team effort. It's a team effort. It's
every single person in this room, front office, coaches, support staff,
it's everybody. This is a team effort.

Speaker 7 (01:14:15):
And hey, so enjoy. But we got a game later today.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
All right, Hey, we got a game later today.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
And show a winding up for a pitch.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Yeah, we got a game letter today.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Hey, leave it all out there.

Speaker 7 (01:14:39):
Be you ready to go tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
There's no letter, he said, be ready to go tomorrow.
So they realized there's still work. They all said, they're
still working them. They're only halfway there to winning it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:49):
Craig, I don't know what's going to happen in the
rest of this series. Are you Are you thinking about
just how great you have it right now as a
fan and appreciating the collection of personalities and talents you've gotten.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Front of you. Yeah, you mean as a Dodger fan,
As a Dodger fan.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Yeah, this is gonna sound weird to a lot of people.
And I'll give you an example what I'm talking about.
But it wasn't always like this. Now they won the
division twelve of the last thirteen years they have been

(01:15:23):
in the Playoffs thirteen years in a row, but until
they won the World Series during the pandemic in twenty twenty,
it had been thirty two years since they won a
World Series. Now they lost the next year to the
Braves in the LCS, they lost to the Padres in

(01:15:43):
twenty twenty two in the Division Series, they lost to
the Diamondbacks in twenty twenty three, the Rangers being the
World Series that year before, they you know, were able
to capture all last year and win the World Series,
which was really really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
I you know, I know a lot of people thought
the twenty twenty thing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Yeah, they played sixty game regular season, everybody played. They
won forty three of the sixty games they played. They
were clearly the best team during the year, and they
won the World Series. So it's a legitimate World championship.
But it even further legitimized it when they won it
last year. This would this would be talk of dynastics
stuff if they went again, because it's three World titles

(01:16:22):
in six years and all that other kind of stuff.
My point was it had been thirty two years before
they went in and so there were a lot of
lean years in the nineties in the early two thousands
that it really tested your will and your medal as
a Dodger fan is if you want it, especially from
long distance, to even continue to be a fan. I mean,

(01:16:43):
we hear about it all the time, people giving up
their fandom. You know, Cameron's just kind of gone. Cowboys
are dead to me right now type thing.

Speaker 5 (01:16:49):
I checked in on on Friday. He was still out
before the Broncos loss. He's probably further out now. I've
had a son change his favorite pro football team. He's
on his third favorite pro football team now. He was
when he's a little kiddy, liked the Jaguars uniforms, colors
and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
They were good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Then he changed the Cowboys after the Jacks went back
because he'd lived in Texas and it just makes sense,
and it did. Then he got really disenchanted of the
Cowboys and he and his soon to be wife decided
they would collectively choose a team to root for.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
She was from Wisconsin. But they ruled out the Packers.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
They ruled out the Cowboys, and had to be a
team that they had no connection to through a family
member anything else. They chose the Dolphins, and now they're
paying the price for that, by the way, even though
the Dolphins didn't win the other day. So but as
a Dodger fan, and I've never changed my teams, and
I've rooted for them different reasons. People also know I'm

(01:17:45):
a Rams fan, but it has nothing to do with
Los Angeles. I rooted for the Rams when they were
in Saint Louis. But I rooted for him when his
a little kid, because they got this big signed eight
by ten black and white glossy from Roman. Gabriel said,
a champ never quits. That's why I started ruling for
the Rams in sixty nine. The next year, as a
nine year old in nineteen seventy, going into the year
that had turned ten, my dad had told the stories

(01:18:06):
of Dodgers and Yankees great World Series games. My dad,
when he was in the Army making maps as a
cartographer during the Korean Wars, station in New York City,
and he went to two World Series games in nineteen
fifty two and fifty three between the Dodgers and Yankees,
sat in the centerfill bleachers at Yankee Stadium, got in
on his GIID for one dollar into the World Series

(01:18:29):
and watched Yankees and Dodgers he totally these stories by
when his little kid, my favorite color was blue and
white at the time, first package of baseball cards open up,
Bill Russell, Dodger shorts up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
I was hooked.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
So that's how it became a Dodger fan, and just
continued to root for a year after year after year
after year, and his heartbreak after heartbreak, and seventy four
and then losing twice to the Yankees in the World
Series seventy seven to seventy eight, getting beat out by
the Astros in the Divisional playoff at eighty beating the
Astros in the Division Series and the strike here of
eighty one, and finally breaking through win the World Series,

(01:19:00):
and it was thrilled about. There was another seven years
before they won when they had Oral Harschheiser and that
underdog team, and they had that underdog mantra and went
all the way through and won Kirk Gibson's home run,
all that stuff ETAs and then the drought, all those
years of the drought.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
So that's why. And it was tough as a Dodger
fan did to the roof for them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
They had really bad ownership when Frank McCort was owning them,
this group fortunately kind of saved the franchise a little bit,
and then they poured their resources into it, and even
then it took a long time. Once they started winning
division titles. They started winning division titles in thirteen. They
didn't win a World Series till twenty, so they were
coming to short cause the Giants were really good at

(01:19:43):
the time, and then the Astros got good, and we
know what happened in seventeen with that World Series, and
then they lost a really good Red Sox team in eighteen.
That's the one where I took on into Game five
in that one when Mookie Betts was playing for Boston.
And so they finally broke through in twenty twenty in
the pandemic here. So it was really satisfying last year.
And so now it's a it's a Dodger fan. It's
different now because of being the favorite and all that.

(01:20:05):
It's a different position to be in. But I think
about all the times of all the anxiety and the
disappointment and the frustration. So I still get wrapped up
at everything in the games and all that, but I
also understand it's baseball and things happen, So you just
hope for the best, because you don't know how many
other times you're.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Going to get a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
I tell people they may never win another one. When
the Rams won the Super Bowl a few years ago,
the Bengals, let's enjoy it. They may never win another one.
You never know if they're gonna win. Well, I'm a
Mavericks fan. When the Mavericks finally won the NBA title
in twenty eleven, I said, better be happy, but I
may never get another one. They haven't had one since
so And I've also always said that every person deserves

(01:20:42):
to have their favorite, at least one of their favorite
pro sports teams win a world championship, at least one
to know that feeling, you've.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Got to know it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
With the Capitals and the Nationals, and then you know,
Astros fans got theirs and I'm not even just talking
about what happened and him talk about the one to
follow up on when they beat the Phillies and Braves
fans or you know, and then Chiefs fans, long suffering
Chiefs fans. Now they're kind of sitting on top, and
how do they go through all that? Poor Buffalo Bills

(01:21:13):
fans have been through it. Minnesota Vikings fans. You know,
I've been to the Super Bowl four times each went
oh and four in them. So I think every true
devoted pro sports fans to serve to have at least
one of their favorite pro pro sports teams, where it's football, basketball, baseball, hockey, whatever,

(01:21:33):
win at least one world title. I've always felt that way,
and I just know if it's not this year, you know,
if he's a late blooming Toronto fan or whatever. The
thing I've noticed about this, and this doesn't surprise me either,
most of the people are rooting for the Blue Jays
this year are not rooting for the Blue Jays because
they're fans of them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
It's because they aren't fans of the other team. That's
why I get that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
What about your producer who has family up there in Toronto.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Well, it's a little you got a family connection, I do.
That's it. I'm just saying there's people a root for Tronucs.
They hate LA.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Yeah, some of my cousins went to Game one. Did
they really had an amazing time?

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
I bet they did. That's really cool. All right, Coming up,
we're gonna hear from Jerry Jones. Been a while since
he won a super Bowl thirty years. We'll hear from
the Cowboys honing President GM up next on thirteen under
the Zone. The King George Strait, you always hear from
him on texon Tuesday in the four o'clock, I went,
you love this song? I've always liked this song? Me too,

(01:22:32):
But I like so much of George Strait's work. Let
me let me just say for the record here, I
did not.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Sign.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
I am not one of the more than fifty thousand
people who apparently have signed a petition insisting that the
NFL dropped Bad Bunny Is the super Bowl halftime show.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
And replace it with George Strait. I'm not one of
those people.

Speaker 5 (01:22:56):
All are inconceivable segments. I've gotten asked about that a
couple of times. Really, can you believe that?

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
Right? Wait?

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):
Great? No?

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
I did not, And.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
But if a change were made, it wouldn't upset me.
Or was it one time I went to get a
basketball chart printed or something, and I asked a guy
that it was printing it about something, and I said, oh,
you could blah blah blah blah blah. He goes, that
wouldn't make me mad at all. So Lynna and I

(01:23:31):
sometimes say that one that'll make me mad at all.
So it would make me mad at all for that.
But I have nothing against Bad Money performing at the
super Bowl. When he's going to perform at the super Bowl,
so he'll be the super Bowl halftime show.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
But you know, this is just an aside. I've never
really been that caught up.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
In super Bowl halftime shows, even when it was one
of my favorites, you know, like a Paul McCartney or
Bruce Springsteen or George Strait or you know, whoever whoever
was doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
I've never been so caught up in that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
A much more caught up in the game, even if
the game match two teams that I didn't like or
didn't care if they won. Like it goes naturally to
assume that if you're a Rams fan, you don't like
the forty nine ers, and that holds true for me.

Speaker 5 (01:24:25):
I saw some sad forty nine er fans this weekend
and invaded NRG Stadium. Yeah, left with their heads in
their pockets.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Really surprised me when that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
But anyway, you know, I'm more into the game itself,
in the food and it makes all kinds of stuff
for Super Bowl. She does different things. But one thing
she knows I really like. She makes it s really big,
like oval nachos, these big circular ones that are really

(01:24:56):
really good. But anyway, the point is, I don't care
who does the super Bowl halftime show. You wanted to
be bad Bunny. I'll watch probably some of it, but
I'll be eating and doing some other things. If it's
George Strait, I'd probably watch it, but i'd be eating.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
And doing some other things.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
You care about the commercials.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Somewhat.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
I mean, I'll take note of them because we talk
about them on the air. On the show, you know,
we usually say what was your favorite super Bowl?

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
Lad?

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
I got no problem with asking the folks that. I
always say, what, you know, what was your favorite Super Bowl?

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
Lad?

Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
So I won't bet on the game every year, but
sometimes i'll make a side bed. Hey, what are we
going to see more of dog at dogs or cars
in the next commercial break?

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Because there's usually a lot of those.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
Yeah, we'll see a lot of both.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
And Clydesdale's and all that other kind of stuff. Somebody said,
this is the halftime show we deserve. I'm not sure
if you're talking about George.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
Strait might have been during our ocean front property.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
Okay, and again I'm fine with that if it worked
out that way. But apparently it's not going to work
out that way. And it's if by saying this is
the halftime show we deserve, if you're referring to George Strait,
I would say that's cool and all that. But you know,
and I know, and we heard it from Roger Goodell

(01:26:15):
as well. The NFL isn't marketing to us. They're marketing
to a much younger and larger audience.

Speaker 5 (01:26:27):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
That's where that's coming in.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
So it said, sorry if I missed it, But have
y' all talked about Yeah, the Brad Paisley national anthem? Yeah,
the Dodger walk off coincidence of more than three. Yeah,
the Dodgers are three and one. When Paisley does the
anthem in the World Series, it is our resident Guardians fan.
I have faith that God will not take me before
the Guardians win a World championship, which sets me up

(01:26:50):
to live to be one hundred and fifty four years old.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Ah yeah, take your super beats.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Yeah. Look, and again I will tell you this during
the regular season. You know, I have no reason to
be like a big Cleveland Guardians fan, but I do
find myself rooting for them in the playoffs because I
would like to see them in the drought.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
I like their style of play.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Yeah, and they're a historic franchise name controversial, name changed notwithstanding,
the Cleveland franchise is a historic franchise. But the last
time they won the World Series is nineteen forty eight.
They meet the Boston Braves, who have moved twice since then.
You know, I actually thought in twenty sixteen they were

(01:27:38):
going to do it and extend the Cubs curse and
misery when they were up three games to one. That's why,
By the way, I won't be comfortable even if the
Dodgers win a nine got three to one. I've seen
teams overcome three one deficits in the World Series. All
the Pirates do it in seventy nine against the Orioles.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
You know, so I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
It happens, So I won't be happy until it's finished.
Last year was really nervous when the Dodgers up three
to one on the Yankees, and remember the Yankees got
it big before the era Judge error and everything just
emploded there. What it like, it was either six nothing
in the fifth or five nothing in the sixth, something
like that. Anyway, they were up and then the Dodgers
completely turned around. I think it was five nothing in

(01:28:16):
the six maybe or something like that, but whatever it was,
it turned and then the Dodgers in it went it.
But if the Yankees had won that and had gone
back to LA they would have won two in a row.
They would had momentum at three to two because Dodgers
were up three nothing before that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
So here you go.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
You just never know.

Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
Remember the Guardians had a lead in Game seven against
the Marlins, well against the Cubs too, well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
They did before the randol a. Yeah, yeah, they did,
they did, and they had the lead in Game seven.
Jose A Masa on the mound against the Marlins. I'm
I'm sure, I'm just all kinds of wounds for a
resident Guardians and then it's not out. But I apologize
for that, all right. I'll tell you what we'ren take
a break when we're kind of come back and we're
from Jerry Jones next on thirteen under the zone. That's

(01:29:09):
Whaling and Willie together there classics. I'll let your babies
growth to be cowboys, especially Dallas Cowboys. These days, Jerry
Jones does his weekly thing on Tuesdays where he visits
there on one of five three of the fan of
Dallas for worth and fields a variety of questions, answers

(01:29:30):
them in unique fashion, as you'll hear a little bit
of that here. But first of all, one of the
things he was asked about, why is the run defense
for the Cowboys become more inefficient since Micah Parsons left
the team in the trade with Green Bay, which Jerry
said would open up the defense to playing better against
the run.

Speaker 4 (01:29:48):
We need a combination. We need to basically have better
play from the linebackers, maintaining the integrity of your gaps
which the linebackers have to fill or filled the linebackers
have to slide. And so they did a good job

(01:30:12):
on us Denver the other day, and we did a
poor job.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
So we've got to do better there, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
During training camp, Jerry said he felt as this was
his quote, was this is the most capable pass rush
we've had. So he's asked does he still feel that
way or has he changed his thought on that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
No, I'm from the standpoint of rushers. We had the
highest number of rushers coming out of camp, of capable
rushers that we have had, and we have maintained, We've
maintained our health there and when I look at our

(01:30:52):
death some of them are playing at a level that
we can get excited about. Some of them need to
step their game up. But in terms of numbers, in
terms of players that can rush that passer, we've got
the best numbers that we've had.

Speaker 7 (01:31:10):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
As a follow up that, he was asked if he
feels they've recently struggled to really draft and develop defensive players, Well, well.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
I read that's ready criticism when you do it. I
like the higher number of forty one. I think he's
going to be one of the best players we've drafted recently.
We've got to see it. But we're going to be
bringing on revel that we drafted this round. I'm talking

(01:31:39):
about within the last draft. As far as the overall
long term drafting, I'm pretty satisfied that we draft well.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
I'm not sure if Jerry knew how to say Donovan
Azeraku's name, but that's who he was talking.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
About there when he said forty one. That would be Donovantezaku.

Speaker 5 (01:31:57):
By the way, how about that creative interpretation. I said
it was the most capable.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
I mean we have the most, Yes, the most, and
there's some capability there to the offense. Who's asked if
too much pressure is being put on deck right now?

Speaker 4 (01:32:11):
Not at all. Those guys put pressure on themselves. That's
the number one self imposed pressure man there is. From
what We're lucky to have him. I'm glad we have it,
and that's a decision, but we've got him. The other day,
we knew we were playing a stellar defensive team. We

(01:32:34):
didn't come out with our best game in all areas
of the game. Would it be the running game, receiving game.
It was just not a game that against the team
like that that you're going to have a lot of
success with. Even at that, we had our chances in
the game, but we just pre snapped penalties. Those kinds

(01:32:57):
of things hauled by you when you aggregate them up,
and that's how you lose a ball game. And in
the NFL, they can get away from you pretty quick.
That score can get up there, we keep a possession,
make a score right before half, you've got a totally
different ball game because the defense and o offense play differently.

(01:33:17):
When they've got to lead than they do when the
game is tight.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
We know this about Jerry since he's been around with
the Cowboys and then the public guy. As long as
he can verb up a word better event, when you
aggregate them up. How about this when you add it up.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
When you aggregate, you pontificate, you deliberate.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
There's been a lot of rumors about changing in the scheme, personnel.
He was asked if he anticipates any of that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:33:45):
I think you'll see some of the players that you
don't have the hours that it would take to get
into any specifics, But I think you'll see more time
spent in the linebacker room. Coaching. I think you'll see
of a lot of on the offensive side of the ball.

(01:34:07):
I'll see a lot of zeroing in by the meetings
and the coaching staff on the I've mentioned it two
or three times, your penalty situation, uh, And I think
we'll continue to work to eliminate those turnovers. We had
them their Sunday, we hadn't had them on the offense.
That will help if you get behind the eight ball

(01:34:30):
in these football games. But bottom line, the answer here,
because the areas were numerous, because they are things that
we've all seen addressed cleared up. Every one of these
players have played in a way, and they've had many
many snaps this year playing in a way that if
they would play that way all at the same time,

(01:34:52):
or the majority of them at the same time, we
have a different outcome, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
He was also asked if he could clear up any
of these rumors that are going aroun out about them
trading for high profile pass rushers since they've struggled to
get a real legitimate pass rush.

Speaker 7 (01:35:07):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
No, because it's all of that, and nobody said there
was a deal. There hasn't manything close to a deal.
But we're looking at all phases of our roster. Most
teams are. Right now. We happen to have what would
appear for us a bigger need than we've had. But

(01:35:31):
each time you look at a player, a position, a
trade far or for that matter, one of your players
that you're trading for another player, you just kind of look,
don't look too far out out of the boundaries of
for what you're getting, and trading within the position, within
the position, not relative to your record, or frankly, it's

(01:35:55):
a mistake to do it relative to how they played
the week before. It needs to be there entire evaluation
of a player that you've had, certainly during in the
time you started a training camp. So all of that
goes into whether or not should be making a trade
or not. And I don't know if we will or not.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
So if that sounded like he was talking in circles
listening to this. One more thing, he was asked if
he a target. Might they be targeting trading for a linebacker.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
At the deadline?

Speaker 4 (01:36:24):
Not necessarily, not necessarily, not at all, but possibly, So
how about that for now? But guys, really, really it
is an area where you can spend more time and
you can get better. To point of emphasis for everybody,
my point this morning is that every position out there

(01:36:46):
should be during the week between games looking for the
things you didn't do it well, addressing them during your
practice and your basically meeting times with other players. And
then obviously a look at a game is not necessarily
an entertaining thing at all by coaches or players, and
none of us would expect that it is actually looking

(01:37:09):
for the things you didn't do well. By the way,
you should start with one thing that she did do
well and then be able to handle the four or
five things that you didn't do well. So that's the
psychology of having criticism when you're a football player, and
I've certainly in my lifetime had a lot of it.

(01:37:30):
I thought the coaches were out to get me, hated
me everything. The book took me about ten minutes out
of the meeting room to realize they were right, just
trying to help me. That goes with it. There's very
few games, very few games that players really have everything
about it make them feel good. But the good news is,

(01:37:53):
or the bad news is, you can't let it happen
as many times in as many places as we did Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
So you get in a linebacker, not necessarily, not at all,
but maybe possibly.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
But by the way, here's how you run your meetings
and take criticism.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Yeah, so there you go, all right, if you're back
to wrap up today's program on thirteen hunder the Zone,

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