Jerry Jones takes shots at Micah Parsons at the Dallas Cowboys Training Camp

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My name is Craig Way. The producer's Cameron D. Parker.
The d U the birth certificate stands for Dallas, as
in his favorite football team that he's only a scant
sleep following right now is to go through trading camp
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everything that we else had else that we had going on,
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to that as well. But there's lots of other things

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that are that are happening right now. And as I mentioned,
the football, college football headlines of the day and the
NFL training camp headlines of the day pretty much take
center stage with a lot of that. So training camps underway.

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So even before you got completely disenchanted with the way
the Cowboys were being run by Jerry Jones. And and
by the way, when did that finally set in? Was it?
Was it the playoff loss to Green Bay that just yeah,
I think so that was the one where you said,
I'm out when they they they were there, they were

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just like twenty one nothing before, and they were the
two seeds, and they were the two seed right going
into that.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
It's a game that got Jordan loved that massive contract extension.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
That's true. That's true. So even before that, before that happened,
how much attention did you pay to training camp? Quite
quite a bit?

Speaker 2 (05:28):
I mean, because it's always you know, a big media event,
Jerry Jones's press conference in training camp. You know, and
especially now with with social media, we know we have
access to it in a way we didn't have ten
years ago. You know, you can look at every single
throw Dak Prescott makes. You were able to watch every
single practice scuffle between you know, Marquise Bell and Cafonte

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Turpin or whoever's involved in the practice phil You know,
you didn't really always have that. I mean there was
hard knocks and stuff. You could read it out the
training camp reports. But now you can see everything. You
see every Dak Prescott throw, you see every interception. I know,
Giants fans are excited to see Jackson Dark. His first
pass of training camp was a pick six, you know,
so we have access to that.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
I think lately we're more involved.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
And especially because you know, we obviously we carry Jerry
Jones's comments on this radio show, and so I think
I listened to that more now than I used to.
But you know, quite a bit because you know, like
with Texas football and training camp, you know, we're very
intrigued to see with how the team is shaping up
in trading camp gives us that first initial look at I.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Agree with you, and this is coming from the respect
of a guy who covered several Cowboys training camps going
all the way back to nineteen eighty eight. I think
I covered him pretty consecutively from eighty eight through the
entire time they were in Austin. Did not cover when
they were up at which shall falls, but then san
Antonio with some as well. So been around a lot
of them clearly, but all so I have interest in

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the NFL over the years what it's like because, and
this I think is from being a Rams fan, being
a fan of a team that you don't get a
lot of, you know, local filler type stuff up. You
only hear, like major things if there's a major problem.
But my point is is that I now pay a

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lot more attention to training camps overall the entire NFL.
Uh and and I look for certain stories and and
like here's one, for instance, the Washington Commanders. Now, the
Commanders making their own headlines these days because of President

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Trump saying that he wants them to change the name
back to Redskins, or he may try to stand in
the way of their efforts to get their new stadium
build and all of that sort itself out one way
or the other, that sort of thing that the Commanders,
for their parts say right now, there's no plan to
change any of that. So we'll see how all of

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that happens down a lot. But outside of that, for
the Commanders who are coming off, remember playing in the
NFC Championship last year, which now because and we mentioned
this number yesterday, because the Commanders played the NFC Championship

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game last year, and because the Lions played in the
NFC Championship game the year before, the team with the
longest stretch drought of being in the NFC Championship is
the Dallas Cowboys. Now, every other team has played in
the NFC Championship in the thirty years since the last

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time the Cowboys played in The'm gonna hear Jerry Jones
of response that coming up here in just a few minutes.
But you know, you name a team. Eagles obviously are
super Bowl champs. Giants have won a couple of Super
Bowls since then. Washington, we mentioned, just got in there
in the you know, then you think of the teams
in the South, New Orleans has won a Super Bowl,

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Atlanta has been in the Super Bowl for that, Carolina
has been in a super Bowl. In terms of teams
in the NFC South, Tampa Bay has won a Super
Bowl since that time. In the NFC North, the Vikings
have been in the NFC Championship more recently than the Cowboys.

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They've not been in the Super Bowl, but they've been
in an NFC Championship game more recently than the Cowboys.
The Packers have obviously won a super Bowl since then.
The Lions were in the NFC Championship game a couple
of years ago. The Bears have been in the NFC
champions have been in a Super Bowl since then when
they lost to Peyton Manning and the Colts. The Bears

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have been in that and then in the West, they
Ers have won a Super Bowl. The Rams have won
a Super Bowl since then. The Seahawks have won a
Super Bowl, and the Cardinals have been in the Super Bowl,
so all of those have happened since more recently than
the Cowboys' last appearance in the NFC Championship. Yet yet

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Jerry Jones remains unfazed about it and says that he's
got plenty plenty to say about it and has no
worry about it and thinks they'll be fine and ready
to go. So we're going to hear some of his
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continue on this Thursday afternoon right here, I'm thirteen under
the zone, Chuck Mangioni gone at the age eighty four,
and Hulk Hogan WW Hall of Famer passed away the
age of seventy one for the Halkster certainly, as WWE
pointed out Satin to learn that WWE Hall of Famer

(11:23):
Hulk Hogan has passed away, one of pop culture's most
recognizable figures. Hogan helped WWE achieve global recognition in the
nineteen eighties, and so he passed away at the age
of seventy one. Hulk Hogan gone, So, yeah, we've had

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some some people pass away of late, and that's unfortunate.
And Chuck Mangioni was one of those guys. Was, like
I said, it was an outstanding Everybody knew him for
that flugel horn that he played, which kind of like
trumpet with a big cone on the end of it.
That Feels So Good was from nineteen seventy eighty. Won

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two Grammy Awards over a sixty year career in music,
including one for Best Instrumental Composition for Bolavia Honored and
Named and Honor his momm He was nominated fourteen times.
That song that We Just Bumped back with Feels So
Good spent twenty five weeks on the Billboard Hot one

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hundred chart. It actually peaked a number four in nineteen
seventy eight. But yeah, so that was the deal, and
he was kind of known with that signature hat that
he wanted, the brown felt hat with a feather band.
He later donated that to the Smithsonian Institution. So remembering
him as he passed away as well, Okay, I wanted to.

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I started to say something about the Washington Commanders, and
then I got to talking more about the teams that
have all appeared in the NFC Championship Game since the
Cowboys there was. But the point that I was going
to make is that I do follow some of these
training camp headlines, and one of these is out of

(13:10):
Ashburber's Virginia where the commanders go. Remember von Miller's there.
Now he's thirty six. Von Miller did a great career,
obviously with Buffalo, was a big part of the Rams
winning the Super Bowl, and then back with Buffalo of
course played at Texas A and M. But at a

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news conference that somebody asked him, do you think you
can still be effective? You have your thirty six how
affective TV? His quote was, let me rush, That's what
I do. I can still roll out of bed at
thirty six years old with my shoes on and rush
the passer. I can do that right when I wake
up fresh out of sleep. I love rushing the passer,

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you know what. I believe him. I think he can
still do it. One year deal six point one million dollars,
I could earn up to ten point five and incentives
as well. Of course I left out in fact Denver
won a Super Bowl with the Broncos as well, was
where he was named the MVP, the Super Bowl MVP.
Then he's with the Rams, lost in the AFC Championship

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Game last season with Buffalo, so big big part of it.
So Von Miller with the Washington commands, all right, when
you hear some from Jerry Jones, we heard some yesterday.
Jerry's comments usually just have a a long shelf life,

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and he can say things that you know will last
a little bit, including the fact that I just got
through talking about fact they haven't been in the NFC
Championship Game since the nineteen ninety five season, and they

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ended up winning the Super Bowl late year, but that's
also the last time they were in the NFC Championship Game.
And Tim Kaalashaw was one who asked him, is it
embarrassing that the team hasn't reached the NFC title game
in twenty nine seasons, and coming on so it'll be
the thirtieth anniversary of that last NFC Championship Game appearance.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
I've spent a lot of those twenty nine years looking up,
not looking back.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
I really have.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
And this thing has had some great peaks since nineteen
eighty nine, but like football, they're few and far between,
and so yes, there have been some rough bumps along
the way and some disappointments.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
Last year was one of them.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
I have always, though, known that you can't live off
of last year or the year before. You've got to
go do something and makes and changes. Something's got to
happen differently. If I set around and dwelled on the past,
and especially the negatives of the past, then I couldn't

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even get out the front door.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
And so I don't think about it. I do not
think about it. I work on.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
In my case, I work on what I can do
different than that Mira. I can change some things that
I think will help things. I don't apologize at all
for the fact that I've got the passion to be
in the spot I'm in, or I have the background,
or I have the qualifications. I don't apologize about that
at all. To my mirror, what I say to that

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Mira is changed this act better there, do a better
job there.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Now.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
We didn't do well at quarterback last year because Dak
got hurt in my mind, just to show you how
simple this is for me, and didn't lock him up
very good either past protect or open the holes up there.
I think we're going to do better. Do I know better?
If we don't have that, No, but if we got that.

(17:13):
One thing that I'm so optimistic about is the guy
sitting right over there, because the minute the season was over,
we wanted him to have the most influence on the
offense and the most influence of getting the best out
of that. He knows the personnel, and he knew where,

(17:34):
obviously where we could have done better and what circumstances
we could have done better on. When I first was
thinking about him and with Steven and with everybody involved,
I really didn't think about him being the head coach.
I did think about, though, about him really being involved
in helping us be a better offensive football team if

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in fact we were able to have some better combinations
of things personnel of what have you? So It's not
hard for me after not going to a playoff game,
or not going to an NFC championship game, or not
going to.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
A Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
It's real hard for me to feel the pain you
feel last year and feel the elation and the hope
to this year at all. This is going to be
exciting to see of what a man that's spent thirty
years grew up in this game, never had a chance
to head coach, and it's got some of the finest,
highest paid athletes in the world to step.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Out here and go to war with.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
I'm excited about that, and I'm proud that he's getting
this opportunity.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
He deserves it.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
In my mind, it became very clear to me that
he would deserve it. What I'm trying to say to him, Man,
that makes me go here this year.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
That makes me feel good.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
I had no problem at all in the spring being
excited about coming to training camp and thinking about it all.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Do you think I really dwelled How much.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Do you think I dwelled on Emmitt going in and
being the most valuable player over in the Super Bowl
when he was How much you think I dwelled on
that or not? The Super Bowl but the player that
he was, and when we played in Atlanta, how much
time did out. I'm thinking about that because I just
watched an episode on that going back that far. But
I'm not doing that to get over there and live

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in the past. If anything, everybody in this room should
know that I've got to live more in today than
I've ever had too because at old times running out
and that's just the fact, that's just what it is.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
So I'm living for now.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
You ask me how I rationalize it, that's exactly our rationaliant.
I know how lucky I am. I've looked forward to
sitting here with you.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
You think, well, we've done this fifteen twenty times in
our lives. I'm going to tell you something you could too.
We could be anywhere we want to be, but our
assets sitting right here because we want to be, want
to be and be a part of it. Now, that's
enough for me, and I have paid the price personally,
I don't have any problem justifying when somebody says, well

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do it differently, why don't you just watch it on TV.
I don't have to. I've paid too high price in
my mind for doing what I'm doing, and I'm ready
to do it again, and I'm ready to walk up
here and get that trophy if we could possibly get it.
So that's a long winded way of saying it doesn't
daunt me at all to sit here face music. This

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isn't music. I'm glad to be here, and I know
you know that. I don't cut my throat every time
somebody writes something bad about me. I know you know that,
and so that's not an issue either.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
So I'm glad to see everybody. I'm glad to be with.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
I'm excited about out here and what this camp could
mean buying through what we've done. Have we done some
things with our players and our personnel that could really
give us a chance to shock the hell out of
them and be better than.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Most people think we're going to be this year.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Absolutely we have, and it could happen, and that Dag
go out here and light it up and a lot
of good things could happen with us.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Okay, that's exactly.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
The rationale I used really last year when I made
him the highest paid player in the NFL. And you
don't think I didn't think about him getting hurt and
not having him after doing that. That would be criminal.
Had I not thought it out, will it happened. It happens.
That kind of stuff happens, and get ready, you're gonna

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get some notts. When those kinds of things happened, we
got a great chance to put together a team here
this year that could be where we would like for
it to be.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
I'm excited about.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
That, so I appreciate it was good.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Well, they didn't give me enough time on it.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
My best scene was when I was talking to what's
his name laying up here in the bed. I said,
the good news is that they say you're going to live,
and so don't make me have to come up here
and visit with my rubber glove and get you out
of that bed.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Now.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
They took that out, and I thought it was the
best scene in the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Well, Pladies and gentlemen, show with the Question of the Day.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Which was about also about being in land man, right,
I've not seen that show. What's that show about? Is
it kind of like Yellowstone one of those type of things.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
So it's it's produced by the same guy, Taylor Sheridan,
but it's based on It's with Billy, Bob Thornton and
John Ham. I think it's it's more so center around
the oil industry out and out in West Texas. I
hadn't watched it either. I have seen Jerry Jones's cameo
on it, just because it blew up on Twitter, and
everyone I've talked to said, Jerry is incredible and the

(22:54):
show is really good. I haven't gotten around to watch
it yet, but based on that, will you beat in
season two?

Speaker 1 (23:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I know they are filming it though, because I have
seen Bob Thornton out and about.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, so there it is with Jerry.
All right. Up next, we've got Inconceivable here on a
Thursday afternoon. We'll get to that when we continue on
thirteen under the Zone. Glad to have you with us,
Craig Wait alongside the producer Cameron Parker. Glad to have
your inputs as well. On the text line, for example,

(23:26):
I said, I'm to the point where Jerry Jones's voice
just grinds on my nerves. He's so full of himself
and smug. Yeah, I mean he is who he is,
you know, And you know what, I actually believe him

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when he says things like relative to relative to that's
true and I'm smiling. I'm going to say it. He
when he says that he's excited about getting back, because
how much time you think I spent thinking about he
doesn't spend much time thinking about the good and the

(24:08):
bad of the past. He moves on, Unfortunately for cowboy
fans like yourself and for the cowboys. And I'm not,
by the way, I'm not anti cowboys. I covered it
for a while. I did Jerry's show for two years,
and that was two years my life. I'll never get back. No, No,
it was fun. It was actually it was actually pretty entertaining.
Same thing with Jimmy Johns because it was in the heyday.

(24:31):
The two years I did it were the two years
they won the Super Bowls back to back in ninety
two ninety three. Same thing with Jimmy show. I enjoyed it.
It was never dull, I can tell you that. But
I believe in when he says he moves forward, and
he moves on to that. The problem is is that
what people will bring up and I totally understand this,

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and cowboy fans like yourself, Okay, you moved on, but
you didn't do anything to fix it, or didn't do
enough or didn't address this need because you were so
busy putting off this need and then ultimately that and
right now people are talking about getting the Dak Prescott
thing done. I mean not Dak Prescott. Excuse me, after

(25:16):
he did the Dak Prescott deal. Uh, you know, hold on,
I had to get a MICHAEH. Parsons was what I
was about to say, getting the Micah Parsons deal done.
And he seems in no big hurry about it. He
seems to know, you know, a great rush that you

(25:36):
know it'll get done with you to get done.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
I think there is a calculated decision in why it
takes so long for the Dallas Cowboys to kind of
sign their players. And I think we'll probably hear one
of his his quotes here later on today's show when
when he's asked by a reporter, why why does it
take so long to get deals done for Mike and
Ceedee Lamb versus guys like you know, Trayvon Diggs and

(26:04):
Terrence Steele who signed their contract extensions early in the offseason,
as opposed to Dak and CD and now Micah who
are signing late into the window. I think the answer
is it's pretty simple. Who are we talking about right now?
The Dallas Cowboys who will be talking about next week
Dallas Cowboys and Michah Parsons. The same thing with Zekiel Elliott,

(26:25):
he didn't sign until what the week before Week one
of the NFL season, right, And it's gonna be pretty
similar with Michaeh Parsons. Like I would put a lot
of money on the fact that Michael Parsons will not
have that contract signed until the last week of August,
maybe maybe the weekend before, because it keeps the Cowboys

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in the news and you think about it, you pull on,
you pull up First Take or Get Up or ESPN
or one of the Fox Sports shows.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
It's the Michael Parsons stuff.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Now, the unfortunate part of it is, you know, you
hear Michael Parsons comments and you know he's pissed off,
the team is pissed off. But fortunately it it doesn't
hasn't got to the point where these guys are holding out.
It's not like Shamar Stewart Cincinnati. And of course now
he's not under contract. Michael Parson still is under contract
for one more year. But you know, guys like him

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or Trey Hendrickson who. You know, it's not just the
Cowboys that are doing this. You know, Bengals are up
there as well.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
And then happens. But I you know, I think.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Jerry Jones really likes to kind of push this off
because it creates more and more attention, and it keeps
people talking about the Dallas Cowboys up until week one.
Because if Michael Parsons was signed right now, I mean,
sure we'll be talking about the Dallas Cowboys, but it
would be more so like the running back. Yeah, what

(27:49):
are their expectations versus we'll just keep talking about Michael Parsons.
That's what I think. I think it's a calculated decision.
The Cowboys want to kind of take it to the
deadline because they know people will constantly be talking about
this because what other reason, why why won't you just
sign resigned Micah back in March in May and just
have the entire summer off. There's a reason why it

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keeps happening. It's not just because the Cowboys are lazy.
It's because they like to bring this attention to themselves,
and he's planning to do that.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I got you, Okay, a couple of University of Texas
things to make your war. First of all, today the
men's basketball non conference schedule was released. There will be
eight non conference home games in the fourth season Moody Center,
including a marquee matchup against Virginia's part of the ACC

(28:40):
SEC Challenge. Also the season opening neutral site contest you've
heard about. They're gonna play Duke in Charlotte. They're gonna
play three games in the Hawaii as part of the
Southwest Mali Invitational. Yeah, so that'll be happening, and they
have a road game at Yukon as well. Now, the

(29:00):
SEC schedule has not yet been finalized, although the league
did previously announce opponents along with home and away designations
for the upcoming conference schedule, and so the tip off
times and the complete TV schedule will be announced as
they say win available, it'll be that. But here's how

(29:21):
it's going to work for Texas men's basketball. They opened
the regular season Tuesday, November fourth, playing neutral syde contest,
the Dick Vital Invitational against Duke at the Spectrum Center
in Charlotte. That's where they played the NCAA tournament going
on a couple of years ago. This will be the
sixth time that Texas and Duke have met and the

(29:46):
first time since they played an overtime game in the
semifinals of the PK eighty in Portland, Oregon. That was
on Thanksgiving when they did that and they lost that
in overtime. Had a big league That one got away,
Marvin Bagley, that's the one.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, uh sag a team with Who was chet on
that team? Or was that?

Speaker 3 (30:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
You're after?

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Was?

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, I'll tell you because I what it. What happened
was I did the first game up in Portland at
the old Arena at the old Memorial Coliseum where the
Trail Lazers used to play and win a championship, the
right beside each other, the two arenas, and it did
the first game they played Butler and they won that
game by like one point, I think it was. It

(30:30):
was close. I flew home to do the football game
against Texas Tech and when they lost, yeah, yeah, when
Chris Warren had the big game that they lost, yeah, yeah,
that one. I flew home for that. Our friend Ted Emrick,
who does a lot of ESPN and Westwood One radio

(30:51):
stuff and ESPN TV, was up there, as you might say,
a hired gun. He was up there for Florida doing
their games, but it worked out to where he he
could call the Duke game because Florida was in another bracket,
and he called that Duke game, and I remember listening
to that on my way over to the stadium to

(31:11):
get ready to call the football game, and he got
away and that was unfortunate. Then I flew back because
they had an off day on Friday, and I flew
back then they had an off day on Saturday. I
think the football game might have been Friday on whatever
it was. I flew back on the off day. And
then the next day after that they played Gonzaga. Rory

(31:32):
Hutchemarra was on that team. Yes, that's who it was.
He was on that team, So yeah, I did. I
remember that, and that was a competitive game. Texas had
a chance but did not win that game. So anyway,
that was what I'd remembered about that. But anyway, it'll
be the first time they played Duke since that game

(31:53):
in twenty seventeen. Then they come home, they have a
four game homestand in Moody Center they'll play Lafayette or no,
it's actually Lafayette, the one in Pennsylvania. The school in
Louisiana's University of Louisiana in Lafayette, as they say there,
but it's Lafayette Saturday, November eight, that's open date for
the football team that day, and then they'll host Fairley

(32:17):
Dickinson the following Wednesday in the twelfth Then I'd forgotten.
They played them at Gregory jim in nineteen seventy five
minutes the last time they played played Fairley Dickinson. They've
never played Lafayette before. Then they're going to play Kansas City.
That's the University of Missouri Kansas City umk C, the Kangaroos,

(32:40):
but it's known as Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I did not know their mascot was. I didn't know
there was a UMKC. I don't know the mascot was
the Kangaroos.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah. Today, they've been in the Summit League and a
couple of other leagues.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
The play by play voice of UMKC is Stephen Davis,
who is the son of the late great, longtime Kansas
broadcaster Bob Davis. Steven is Stephen also is double a
baseball in Northwest Arkansas. Great guy Steven isn't but anyway,
he does the play by play for u MKC. Well,

(33:13):
they just go by Kansas City, kind of like Memphis
goes by Memphis, Charlotte goes by Charlotte, that sort of thing.
So they play Kansas City on Saturday, November fifteenth, first
matchup against the RUSE and program history. Then they'll host
Writer on Tuesday, November eighteenth, first time they will have
played the Bronx and men's basketball. Then they go to
Maui Thanksgiving Week Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, three games in the

(33:39):
Southwest Maui Invitation at the Lahina Civic Center. We have
not seen the pairing jet for that. The other teams
Arizona State, Boise State, Shamanad the host n C State,
Seaton Hall, USC and Washington State. So maybe with some

(34:00):
winnable games out there in nowI. When they've gone in
the past, they usually had to deal with North Carolina
and or Tennessee and or Oregon Kentucky thinking about the
teams that they had to deal with in the past
out there. After that, they return home to host Virginia
that's the acc SEC Challenge on Wednesday, December third. It

(34:25):
will mark the first meeting ever between Texas and Virginia.
They'll then host Southern on Monday, December eighth. They haven't
played them since two thousand and five. It has been
twenty years since they played Southern University. Then they'll travel
to Hartford Friday, December twelfth. They'll play Yukon at the
Excel Center, the Mall as it was known in the
Hertford Civic Center for years. They're not playing in Yukon's

(34:47):
home arena, Gamble Pavilion. They've played them there before, in fact,
beating them there a couple of times, including when Jonathan
Holmes had a game winning shot for Texas and that
I think in twenty fourteen. Yukon ho it's an eight
three advantage in the all time series. And then they'll
finish their non conference schedule with a pair of home games. Lamoyne,
if you haven't heard of them. They they are Division one,

(35:09):
they transitioned a few years ago. They're in Syracuse, New York.
And then they'll play Maryland Eastern Shore. Another weird mascot,
you mees, Lamoine. Oh, the Dolphins. The Dolphins from there?
You said Syracuse, yea, they're an upstate New York. Yeah,
because there's a lot of Dolphins at the Dolphins. Yeah,

(35:30):
they'll begin SEC play on Saturday, January third. Again, we've
not seen who they'll play first. Last year they open
it in College Station, so we'll see how they do that.
And they'll finish a regular season play on Saturday, Mark seven. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
So the biggest difference from last year's schedule, knows Craig,
is because they're playing the Malley Invitational. Last year they
had that Thanksgiving break off and they played December twenty
ninth right before the SEC players. So with this schedule,
the team gets that Christmas breakoff, so they'll have you
know as possibly close to two weeks in between Maryland
Eastern Shore and possibly their first SEC conference game. And

(36:06):
that's big because remember how banged up the team was
going into that first game against A and M. You know,
I think kend the Weaver got hurt in that game, yep.
But also it was that Tramon Marx was injured going
into it. Kayden Schagrick was banged up. So it'll be
nice for the guys because that's a you know, you
can make fun of Kansas City and Lemoyne, but at
Yukon Virginia Duke and then you're probably facing a couple

(36:29):
top twenty five teams, maybe three top twenty five teams
in Mali as well. So it's it's going to be
actually a real tough non conference schedule once it all
gets sorted out and the pairings are released from Mali.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, it's it's a better non conference schedule than last
year because when they went to Brooklyn, the two teams
they played Syracuse and Saint Joe's weren't all that no,
and you know, and NC State wasn't much when they
went to Raleigh and won that game there. This is
a much more difficult non conference schedule to have to

(37:03):
deal with. All Right, there's some other big news for
UT athletics. We'll get to that coming up when we
continue right here. On a Thursday on thirteen under the.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
Zone, Welcome back to the Craig Wait Show and the
Voice of the Longhorns. Craig What follow Craig on social media?

Speaker 1 (37:20):
A horn voice happy do you hear on this Thursday afternoon,
I'm in CB in the Pacific Northwest says do you
have any thoughts on the reports of North Carolina exploring

(37:40):
a move to the SEC? Texas is a pretty good
record versus North Carolina and multiple sports they do. I
would say this, and I saw some of those things
about that CB. You know what that's about. It's about
the continued dissatisfaction in North Carolina and Florida State and
Clemson had with the ACC. But when there are words

(38:03):
like and I know you're you're kind of paraphrasing some
words that came out because I saw the same words
about exploring a move. They haven't been invited, and I
don't think the SEC is interested in expanding. One thing
that Greg Sank has made a point of saying is
he loves the what does he call it, the geographic logic.

(38:28):
I believe he calls it because you know, unlike say
the ACC, which has teams in California and the Big Ten,
is all over the place with that, and some of
the other conferences are like that as well. They they
have a logical geographic footprint. Now North Carolina would fit

(38:54):
into that logical geographic footprint if they did that, because
they do have Kentucky and Tennessee and North Carolina and
Georgia obviously Alabama and Florida and Mississippi and LSU and
in Arkansas and Oklahoma and Texas, so they're all contiguous
in North Carolina would be part of that continued contiguous

(39:14):
footprint if they did that. But I don't think. I
don't think they're interested in North Carolina right now.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, I think also, you know, Clemson in Florida State
would fit in that. But I don't think Sankie has
any interest, neither do the other SEC schools in adding
Florida State or adding a Clemson or North Carolina. You know,
I think it's more along the lines of those schools.
I think need the SEC or the Big Ten more
than the conferences need a UNC or a Duke or

(39:42):
a Clemson or an FSU. Now, for basketball's sake, it
would be great to have UNC in the SEC because
obviously they have that basketball pedigree. You know, Florida State's
football program has had its ups and downs, as is
their basketball program. They've been in a lot of hot
water lately. You know, Clemson's football program has a lot

(40:02):
of history as well. But does it, you know, does
it make a lot of sense to you know, now
expand the conference to eighteen teams or nineteen teams or
twenty teams. I don't think Greg Sanki or any of
the ads in the SEC would look at this and
be like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
You know it's you know, like you mentioned, you got
to be invited. We just saw what happened with Memphis, right,
you know, they were willing to pay what two hundred
million dollars to join the Big twelve, and Brett Yormark
was like, eh, we're good.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I think really, I think in
the Big twelve Memphis would be probably a good fit
basketball for sure, program has had the balls been they
went close to being a G five that that could
qualify for the CFP. I have a feeling probably he

(40:52):
canvass other conference members who are not interested in having
Memphis in the league. So that's probably about it. Released
yesterday afternoon for the University of Texas, and we didn't
have a chance to get to or at least jump
into it whole hog. But we'll do it right now.
The ut Athletics Hall of Honor classes have been announced,

(41:15):
and another very impressive class. The seventy first Men's Hall
of Honor class, includes Nate Doozing from swimming and diving
from nineteen ninety eight through two thousand and one, a
two time Olympian, a two time Olympic medalist, two time
NCAA individual champion, a nine time NCAA relay champion, and

(41:35):
a twenty seven time All American. Who and for folks
who say, how can that be? How does the math
work on that? You can be an All Americans? Say
in the backstroke, and then you could be also an
All American in freestyle and All American in breaststrokes. So
that's where how you can be a twenty seven time
All American? And he helped the Long Runs went back

(41:56):
to back nd SEA National championships in two thousand and
two thousand and one. Roy Al Ivy, out of basketball
from one to four, four year starter, one of the
top one on one perimeter defenders in program history, led
the Long Wars of three consecutive trips to the Sweet sixteen,
including a run to the two thousand and three Final four.
Then moved on to a ten year playing stint successful

(42:18):
coaching career in the NBA's now with the Houston Rockets.
And uh was what are you the coach of South
Sudan in the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, and the head coach he had them playing well? Yeah,
I'm playing well, he got as he caused. Uh, not
a stir, but he definitely created some good attention to
his coaching ability from that tournament.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
I always always really really enjoyed visiting with with Royale
because what Roy would do is he was his mild
manner to guys you come across, but when it came
to his teammates and on the floor, he was the
one I first really heard pushing that mantra, do your job.
Don't worry about you know other people. You do your job.

(43:01):
Sometimes there'd be another word in front of the word job,
he would say, but it would mainly be do your job.
The other thing I'll always remember about him his senior
year in four, the long Wrorns are in Denver playing
in the NCAA tournament and in the first round they
played air Force and or was it Princeton, I guess

(43:23):
it was, and got pushed and won that game. Then
they get to the second round they're playing North Carolina
and it's Roy Williams first year at North Carolina, and
this was the game that went right down to the wire.
This is the year before North Carolina went on and
won the national championship. The next year in five, they
had a good team, but it was his first year
and it came down to Texas, I think, had a

(43:44):
one point lead with seconds to go, and Roy al
Ivey went to the free throw line to try to
ice it. And Roy was a good free throw shooter.
We won a great one, but he was a good one.
But he went to the free throw line and what
a lot of people didn't know, and we didn't find
out until after the game. He of course, playing at
altitude of Denver, he was very lightheaded by the time

(44:07):
he got to the line, and he said he almost
couldn't see the basket. He was just he was dizzy
and everything. And he knocked down both free throws and
Texas won. Then I'll always remember that about royal Ivey.
What a grinder, what a worker on that. Kyle Russell
outstanding baseball player, Texas first team All American Big Twelve

(44:28):
Conference Player of the Year in two thousand and seven,
led Texas to back to back Big twelve regular season titles.
You know, six and oh seven still the program's all
time career home runs, the leader with fifty seven. It
got to a point there, I guess what seven. I
guess he hit thirty four. I think where he was
just kind of wondering every time he came up, was

(44:49):
going to knock one out and a great guy and
it was really good to see. Okay, Roderick Wright, you
may remember him not only an outstanding football player from
O two to UH five, four year starter defensive tackle,
but a lot of folks when they think about Texas
snapping the five year losing street to Oklahoma, they think

(45:12):
of two plays that come to mind. One Jamal Charles
is a freshman eighty yard touchdown run, and then they
think about this play with Rod Wright again. Johnson Iglacias
and told John Finley.

Speaker 6 (45:25):
The receiver split for the right, two more split to
the left side, an empty set with five whitehouse Keiwan Jones.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
One of those receivers.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
He's in a swat on the left to load, and
Ranklin's on the short side of the field, split left
as well. Second down and ten at the Texas twenty
two shotguns.

Speaker 7 (45:39):
Cat the bullmart hit us e book, come Holl's fubble.
It's picked up, lumbering down the field, Rod right, theok fifty,
the forty, the thirty. They will not touch him. Do
threck right touchdown? Texas just blown up? Was Red Barbar
who's still down on the field. The blitz from the outside.
He had no idea it was coming.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
He gets blown up, the ball break flues.

Speaker 8 (46:03):
Rod Wright comes up with it. Bobart does get himself up, make.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
His way to the sidelines, but the bits comes from
the outside.

Speaker 8 (46:10):
Bon Barber goes back to set up and coming from
the outside.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
That's Brian Robinson.

Speaker 8 (46:15):
Had a clear shot at him and Bobart didn't see
him coming. Ball bounced the screen rod Right and the
defense gets on the scoreboard.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Great analysis from Keith Morland on that. Keith worked a
couple of football games with us last year when Roger
filled in for me on basketball. He's going to do
so again this year. A great analysis that was twenty
years ago, and it was Brian Robinson to hit Ratt
Bomar blindside him, knocked the ball loose and then mgrod Right,
big number sixty seven and he's just peeling down the

(46:46):
field going down there. So it was great, great to
see that on that for rod Right. Okay, Bobby Mitchell
and who was a vintage selection, as they call, a
three year letter winner at guard for those great Wishbone

(47:06):
teams for Coach Royal for nineteen sixty eight through seventy
when they went thirty wins, two losses, one tie, including
the record thirty game winning streak, and two national championships
and three Southwest Conference titles. That's on the men's side.
On the women's side, it's their twenty sixth Hall of
Honor class, including Kirsten Wingler Burton for swimming and diving
from eighty three through eighty six, a twenty one time

(47:28):
All American, a, five time NCAA Relay champion, eleven times
Southwest Conference champion, led Texas to three consecutive NCAA teen
titles in eighty four, eighty five, and eighty six. Haley Eckerman,
who was on with RGE yesterday morning, from volleyball, two
time or a couple of days ago, two time National
Player of the Year, four time All American, three time

(47:52):
Big twelve Conference Player of the Year, big part of
the national championship team of twenty twelve for Texas volleyball.
Nicole Devinish Gilmour from track and field from ninety four
through ninety seven, eight time All American, eight times Southwest
Conference champion in the long jump and the triple jump,
led the Long Horns to four runner up in three

(48:12):
third place finishes for that Nancy Ledbetter Ramsbottom golf from
eighty one to three eighty four to the nineteen eighty
four Southwest Conference Individual Champion, the Southwest Conference Player of
the Year who went on to a sixteen year career
on the LPGA Tour, and one of my favorites who
will be inducted posthumously is Tiffany Jackson women's basketball from

(48:34):
four to seven, one of just three women's basketball players
in program history to earn All American Honors three times,
the only individual in school history to achieve the combination
of one thousand points, one thousand rebounds, three hundred steals,
and one hundred and fifty block shots. She'll be inducted
posthumously as she passed away after a lengthy battle with

(48:57):
cancer three years ago at the age of thirty seven.
Announced great player and then this just effervescent, incredible smile
and had become it had gotten into coaching. Was the
coach at Wiley College out in Marshall, Texas when her
cancer was in remission before she ended up losing that

(49:18):
battle there. But tiff was something else. She was. She
was great and certainly deserving as all of these these
honorees are of deserving on that. It'll be Saturday, It'll
be there'll be a special salute at the Longhorn football
game against UTEP on Saturday, September thirteenth. Okay, we've got

(49:40):
to hear some more from Jerry Jones and from Brian Schottenheimer,
so we'll do that coming up when we continue on
thirteen under the Zone. We're back.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
It's the Craig Way Show with Hall of Fame broadcaster
in voice of the Texas Longhearts, Craig Way.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
You know, playing that highlight clip from twenty years ago.
It sparks some memories for some folks. Carrie who said
that clip of Rod made me smile. What a memory?
Need a clip like that on every show to get
us ready for football. See. Maybe we'll dig out a
couple more as we get closer to football season, like

(50:31):
the Jamal Charles Adr touchdown.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Ron, what do we have thirty seven days, Henry Melton
days until kickoff.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
And Very Melton days until kickoff? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So
I like that. I like the countdown on all of that,
and folks are very very excited about it obviously. So
with the possibilities that are out there for this football
team and the way it has been built up by

(50:59):
sark our Man cb sais. I also think of the
bomb Vince Young through to Billy Pittman for the touchdown
before halftime in the five Red River shootout. Yeah, I
think it was a sixty two yarder. There was there
was they had, they had, they had everything clicked that day.
And and I've often been asked about, you know, where,

(51:23):
where do you rate your you know, the the best
long worn plays, if you were just the plays or
best memories, I guess it was, uh, you know, best
memories of long worn football, best memorable moments, and and

(51:45):
and and and obviously there's there's the obviously one obvious
ones obviously winning the national championship for Texas as they wanted,
you know five, and the you know, fourth and five
play for with Vince Young. There the eight yard touchdown
run that's probably gonna be at the top of the list, obviously.

(52:07):
And if I'm just talking about football, and again not
not even talking about you know, with baseball, with two
national championships and some other great moments, men's basketball in
the final four and some other great moments women's basketball,
this most recent final for a great run in the
final four and oh three and some other great moments,

(52:29):
those kinds of things with regard to football that that
obviously the National Championship would be at probably at the
top of the list, but there's other there's other great
moments as well, and one of those would be.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
N. O.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Five, and that would be because of beating Oklahoma, as
they beat them forty five to twelve that day. They
got over what folks had begun to refer to as
the Big Red Hump because Oklahoma had a really good
program under Bob Stoops as we know during that time,
and Texas had had that five year losing streak which

(53:06):
also included a couple of blowout losses. The first one
the sixty three to fourteen. They came back and in
one they were down seven to three there and then
Roy Williams for Oklahoma the safety at the Superman play
where he hit Chris Simms and Teddy Layman gets the
ball out of the heir for the touchdown. They went

(53:28):
fourteen to three in that one. In two, Texas had
the lead on Oklahoma at the half and they come
back and went thirty five twenty four. O three was
a blowout. Ben Shown was a Richard freshman and Oklahoma
won that one sixty three to twenty one. Four Texas
was down six to nothing and Nate Jones unable to

(53:49):
hold a pass that would have been a touchdo I
would have given them the lead there in the fourth corner.
They wind up losing twelve to nothing. It was the
first time they'd been shut out since nineteen eighty and
it all was dismissed. It was all taken care of.
In five as Texas blew out Oklahoma, So I'll always
remember that one. Finally, the eight game obviously, with you know,

(54:14):
Jordan Shipley's kickoff return and Colt McCoy engineering that win
of Oklahoma. Those will always rank up there. Also from
that year the win over Ohio State and the Fiesta Bowl,
Kwan Cosby's last play our friend Kawan with a touchdown
catch from Colt for twenty six seconds to go in
the game to beat Ohio State. The five Ohio State

(54:38):
win was big. Obviously. Last year, the fourth and thirteen
play and it's and it's quinn Ewers to Matthew Golden
for the touchdown to keep things going in the Peach Bowl,
which they ultimately won uh and uh, which, by the way,
brings us right now to your chance to win a

(55:03):
copy of Dave Campbell's Texas Football Magazine. Now, this is
how it works. You have to do the talkback feature.
And we had a ton of people try it yesterday,
the talkback feature. But I mentioned the three who yesterday,
we just did it like the first three who could
reach us via the talkback one and to make sure
it was up and running, and boy was it. So

(55:25):
Carrie Phillips, Desmond Brooks and Kenny Ellis were all winners yesterday.
So the way it works is you download the iHeartRadio
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(55:47):
a red button with a little white microphone. That's the
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the way we normally do it when we give away
concert tickets, and we'll do that in the four o'clock
hour is that way, and then you give us a keyword.
There's not a keyword today, but it will prove your
worth as a long worn football fan. And we're giving

(56:11):
away two copies of the magazine today. So it's going
to be the first two correct answers to this question
on the talkback feature. The question is name the final
score of the Peach Bowl game last year final score
of the Peach Bowl Game. First two correct answers to

(56:33):
reach us via the talkback feature, we'll win that. We'll
win a copy of Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine. Our
man antone is manning the talkback feature, so he tracks
it all and he'll let us know who the two
winners are. All right, here's a little more from Jerry

(56:57):
Jones and uh, which is the one cam where you
were talking about earlier?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
The I don't know, it's not when he was asked
about if he was ever considered stepping down.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
That's the one. I think it's a friend Mike Goosey
from Channel four was asking him that question. Somebody it
sounded like Mike.

Speaker 9 (57:19):
But so.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
This comes up every year. Every year does frustrated, anguished,
angry cowboy fans like Cameron Parker and many others. They
just want the answer to one question, when are you
stepping down? Jerry? When are you gonna step down? And
my answer, I'm not Jerry but my answer is he's

(57:44):
never going to do it. He's never going to do it,
and when he does, it'll probably be because he will
have breathed his last and then it's going to transfer
to Steven, and Steven will run it. Although I I
differ from some people, maybe even you as well, Cam,
I differ from somebody. I think Stephen will run it
with a much more even hand and be logical in

(58:06):
a lot of things than than than his dad. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
I think he's kind of already been running things behind
the scenes and it's just his dad taking most of
the blame.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
I think Steven is just as bad. Okay, all right,
So here's the question put up for Jerry. Has he
given any thought, even even just just very fleeting thought,
to relinquishing his role as general manager?

Speaker 4 (58:32):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Yes, momentary, a lot a moment. Now we're getting to it,
small fractions of seconds.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
I promise you. Why did you talk yourself off that,
lad Well?

Speaker 3 (58:50):
I didn't have any trouble talking at all, because those
were obviously painful moments when I wouldn't be thinking like that,
and I just that's not why I'm here, That's not
what the h from my part that's not what it's
been about. And from that standpoint, and plus what is

(59:13):
such a misnomer? And I really want to emphasize this,
probably unlike most general managers.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
For instance, Mike he's not here.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
So I've talked about him when he was here and
talked about him nicely and everything else. But Mike hadn't
spent much time in the draft room when he was
at Green Bay. That's not how I've operated as general
manager of the Cowboys. I have shoddy, I have Steven
right at this particular time, and Tad might even be

(59:46):
in there. But my point is, my point is there
is such a inclusion and discussions and as you know,
you see it, I'm in your bowls combines all of that,
all of that melts into a real good feeling about

(01:00:10):
where we are. So that I'm not sitting up there
throwing darts about a player, or I'm not sitting here
logically addressing financially about whether to extend the contract going forward.
But I have huge incentive to do it right, and
so I ask these guys to the no end constantly,

(01:00:32):
whether we're drafting a player, whether we getting one in
free agency. I mean, I'm covering it with them and
going over detail about why why not, why why not
all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
I don't know that I would put.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
My inclusiveness of input with anybody in sport relative to
the general manager duties. Being where I am, I have
a good feel for risk and the tolerance for the
and so that's an advantage for me being there rather
than somebody else there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
There is no question that in sports.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
A general manager if he is the one that can
spend the money, if he's the one that can spend
the money, and I emphasize that, but those guys can
have bad runs of it and then somebody else is
there to take care of it when it's gone. There's
not been any of that in thirty five years here.

(01:01:30):
There's not somebody else to have to take it on
because it's a mess or.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
That is a good governor of helping you make decisions.
So I like it this way, but candidly, and if
you watch this Neutfleish, you'll see I gave every friggin
thing in my life and then exposed probably two or

(01:01:56):
three times that to get to set up here. I
did that when a lot of things weren't going right financially,
for a lot of things, sports, NFL, a lot of things.
And I danced with that devilin and I've danced with
it a few other times along the way. So if
you think a little bit of what you write is

(01:02:18):
going to deter me from sitting up here doing what
I want to do, You're wrong. It's just not going
to do it, because I've danced with the devil, the
financial devil, and live to tell about it, and so
that resolve is there with me as well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
A financial devil. Yeah, I start say, if you take
nothing else away from that sound bite, take away the
thing where he says I've danced with the devil. It
makes me think of Jack Nicholson as the Joker in
the first of the Batman movies Ever dance with the
Devil in the Pale Moonlight, And some would say, Jerry,
you are the devil. That's why I'm saying that relative

(01:02:56):
to Jerry's way of saying things. All right, we'll be
back the third and final hour of the program. Here
I'm thirteen under the Zone Creig Way, joined by the
producer Cameron Parker. Glad to have you with us again.
A reminder tomorrow our old pal Bill Schoening will be here.
He'll be on with us in the first couple of hours.
First hour will be a lot of we'll ask him

(01:03:18):
about Victor Woman Yama. I mean Bill just retired from
calling play by play the Spurs, so he's living the
happy retired life. He's in town for like a couple
of days before he goes back out. He was like
in Croatia and Slovenia. Wow, Yeah, he went over there

(01:03:39):
for a while. Since it's an absolutely breathtaking company country.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
I have friends who are in Crasy right now, and
it's like that a real place because then you walk outside,
I mean out saw our studios is nice, but when
you drive around round rockball construction, it's like, how does
crazy exist.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Well? And toward that end, our friend and colleague Roger
Wallace is in vanf Alberta, Canada, of course, and he
sent a picture of himself and his wife Tammy, and
it was forty two degrees when he sent it the
other day forty two. He said, it was a lot

(01:04:16):
hotter yesterday it was like mid sixties, like sixty four
and what we heard Ryland Kober talking about being sixty
eight in Tacoma and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
It was one hundred and five in Vegas when I
was with the Express. I mean at least that's dry heat. Yeah,
But at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
An oven is dry heat too, but it's hot. It's
a good point. Hot as hot, yeah, hot as hot.
So Bill will be with us tomorrow because in the
first hour we'll talk, Like I said, we'll talk a
lot of different things, you know, the spurs in the NBA,
and we'll mix in some of our times together the
ten football and nine basketball seasons we called together four

(01:04:55):
years as a co host of the show on this station.
When we went all sports, we actually started before thirteen
hundred was all sports. It was the Am. Thirteen hundred
was the way it was called us the news talk
folks may remember back in the nineties and when I

(01:05:15):
first came down in nineteen ninety seven, that's what it was.
It was a news talk format. But Bill and I
did afternoon drive sports show together, but it was a
news talk format. In morning drive, they had a news
block I think in the morning and then midday talk
and then our show in the afternoon. When we went

(01:05:37):
all sports October fifteenth, nineteen ninety eight, that's when the
Zone was born. October fifteen, nineteen ninety eight, and so
we did a show together for four years in addition
to doing ten football and nine basketball seasons, and so yeah,
there's bound to be a memory or two out of
that that we'll talk about. But then in the three
o'clock hour, he's doing the music survey. And Bill, as

(01:06:00):
we know, UH is a big music lover, goes out
catches a lot of live music here in Austin, in
the live music capital.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Of the world.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
So he'll undoubtedly have a very interesting music survey that
we'll do tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
I think it's gonna have a lot of a lot
of names that won't like, you know, there's some people
who will use like the most popular sure decisions. I
feel like Bill is going to have some deep, deep cuts.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
He will, He'll he'll have some from uh, some guys
who he really really admired but might not have been
the most popular guys, uh, you know, on the planet.
But that's tomorrow. So we'll do that with the music survey,
and UH we got a We're gonna have a pretty
interesting music survey the following Friday. I'll tell you about

(01:06:48):
that tomorrow. So we'll get to that on the text
line we had some folks making a different comments. Our
friend says he finally got to meet Eric Nadell. That's great, said.
He goes to different libraries to read books to little
people in the val four wed there he does. Heus.

(01:07:08):
My dad took me to the library in Arlington yesterday
that he was at. I got the chance to shake
his hand, talked to him for five or ten minutes.
My dad got four or five pictures with him and myself.
That's great, well done, Well done, Ryan, Glad that worked
out for you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
You know, I was listening to a podcast with Dave Raymond,
who is of course the TV broadcaster and Dell of
course the voice of the Rangers and the radio. Yes
Raymond on TV. He first started in broadcasting. He was
working for an independent baseball team in California as the

(01:07:45):
PA announcer, and he would do bits at home games
where he would dress up and costume and impersonate someone.
And that's how he ended up kind of getting into
play by play. Such a funny face. Also, and y'all
you and Ty Harrington last and yesterday's show, we're talking
about scoring and stuff. He does all his score on

(01:08:07):
an iPad. He doesn't do anything with pennsyl Anymo. Yeah,
and he said the reason why is because a lot
of our broadcast boofs Now are just smaller and higher
up and smaller, and there's not enough room for me
to be able.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
To get the full book out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
But he also said, the sad thing is is if
he calls a perfect game and Cooper's Town like, hey,
you know, we want your your scorebook. Can I send
you a PDF of it? You know, because you know,
but you know, everyone's different. I haven't gotten to the
PDF version yet. I don't know when. Uh we In
the in the mid two thousands, uh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Uh, the University of Texas had a media relations intern,
a supports information intern by the name of Danielle Doyer,
and Danielle really sharp. She was really really good at it,
and she was mainly her main deal was she would

(01:09:04):
score the baseball games. She was the official scorer the
night of the twenty five inning game with Boston College
and she scored it, and you no, and she did
so she did. She scored it, and Cooperstown called for it.
Oh that's awesome. So she got to send her her

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her score her score book or the scoring sheets from
it to Cooperstown and it's in the Hall of Fame.
So that's that's really good. Danielle, I think, is a
I can't remember if she's in the legal firm, legal industry,
but she works in California. She lives in San Diego.
She's a huge Dodger fan, so that so we kind

(01:09:50):
of kept contact her and a friend of mine up
and up in Portland, Oregon who went to high school
with me, where all three of us big Dodger fans.
We've got this group text and all that other kind
of stuff. But she but she's always got that. She's
always got that. That score book in in Cooperstown. Did

(01:10:10):
she make a copy of it for herself? She does,
she has. She sent me a photo of the copy
that she has, but the original is there in Cooperstown,
which is really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
That was.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
That was a lot of fun to be a part
of it. And again we were talking about moments, you know,
earlier in the program, and I was talking about long
Ran football, but I also mentioned baseball in the two
national championships, and I said, the brother very very memorable games.
One would have been in Tallahassee, the Super Regional Texas

(01:10:46):
went down as the defending national champion in O two
and they they weren't a top eight national seed, which
really surprised everybody. They were seeded what today would be
classified as the number sixteen seeded, and they won their
regional and then they were going to have to go
to the number one overall seed, Florida State. And so

(01:11:10):
it was down in Tallahassee and somebody asked, OWGGI get
the news conference. Do you think it's unfair The seating
is absolutely it's completely unfair to Florida State, and Texas
went out and swept them. And I always remember because
the second win, the game to win which got him
to Omaha was win number thirteen and twenty eight, and
he moved past Cliff Gustafson to become college baseball's all

(01:11:33):
time winning as head coach with that win at the time. Obviously,
later years after he retired and passed on, Mike Martin
passed him, I guess for the total number of wins,
but that was a memorable moment, and the twenty five
inning game was a memorable moment. I will always be
grateful to the fact that was home game and that
the bathroom was right across the hallway. So in a

(01:11:55):
twenty five inning, seven hour and six minute game, you're
going to need a moment or two. And Keith and I,
Keith Bourdlan and I called that game, and we called
it not only for here, for AM thirteen under the
Zone and for Texas. We gave a split feed to
BC Eagles dot Com because Boston College had no radio,
and so we gave them a separate split feed of

(01:12:19):
the broadcast of it and they were grateful for that. So, uh,
those are some of the things that come to mind,
and I remember, all right, let's hear a little bit
from Brian Schottenheimer Shoty, the new head coach of the Cowboys.
First of all, he was asked about De Marvian Overshow
because you know, Demo as has been through it, and

(01:12:40):
you know he's when he's been healthy, he looks great,
but the injuries, of course, had derailed him over two seasons.
So he's been on the recovery men and getting back.
And Brian Schottenheimer was asked for an update on De
Marvin Overshow's recovery.

Speaker 10 (01:12:54):
Yeah, each player is different, you know. Obviously we trust
the training department. I think Jim and Bridd do a
terrific job with our doctors. But again, there's a lot
that can be learned from a knowledge standpoint by watching,
by teaching. What I like to do with the guys
that are out is actually let them coach some of
the younger players. So like a guy like Demo, I
mean he can take you know, some of the younger

(01:13:16):
linebackers that we have, Shamar James and spend time teaching
them things and coaching them while they're watching. So we
don't see it as missed opportunities. Of course you're not
going through the physical aspect of it, but there's a
lot that can be learned and taught when you actually
teach something instead of just doing it. Sometimes players that
are these elite athletes, they just you ask them to

(01:13:36):
do something, they're like, okay, that's easy for me. When
they have to explain how to do it to someone else,
they really learn the insight that goes along with it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Okay, all right. So there's one thing. And then Shabby
asked what does it mean to him to be at
his first training camp as head coach of the Cowboys.

Speaker 11 (01:14:01):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Just thrilled.

Speaker 7 (01:14:02):
Man.

Speaker 10 (01:14:02):
I think why the people I get to do this
with day in and day out, Steven and Jerry, the
entire you know Jones family. You know, you take these
couple of weeks off right, and everybody kind of goes
all over the map, and then you know you're about
a week or two away. You start realizing, like, man,
I really miss I miss the guys. I miss CD,
you know, I miss seeing Sandbourn, I miss seeing those guys.

(01:14:24):
And then you start shooting them texts and then you
kind of you work yourself into a frenzy, the excitement
and the man, I can't wait to get started. So again,
just thrilled to get started. It's gonna be an awesome camp.
We feel great about where we're at, and truly seeing
these guys makes me feel like the luckiest man in

(01:14:45):
the world that I get to lead those young men.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
He's the luckiest man in the world because he gets
to work for Jerry Jones. Right, We're gonna hear from
both of them. A little more of that coming up,
and we continue here on Sports Radio AM thirteen under
the Zone.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
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Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
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Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Well, we've been talking about some Cowboys training camp and
then of course there was the buzz bite, if you will,
SoundBite of the entire camp opening address from Jerry Jones.
It got national attention, but there was a little bit
of backstory to it about what he was saying about
Micah Parsons. And it starts really from the framework of

(01:15:44):
an earlier question from our friend Jane Slater with the
NFL Network, and she was asking Stephen Jones as well
about conversations with Micah Parson's agent in camp, and really
kind of gushed out from there.

Speaker 9 (01:16:03):
Jerry didn't speak to Todd friends and Jerry, as he said,
doesn't speak to many agents.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
I did.

Speaker 12 (01:16:10):
So, what is your relationship with Mugle that have been
so far?

Speaker 9 (01:16:14):
We've always had a good relationship with Lily Gatta. What
would you say specifically? You know, Adam speaks to the
agents as well, so, but Jerry's typically, whether it's a
coach or a player, speaks directly to the principal.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
And I don't talk to the attorneys and all of
the other stuff that goes on too that really it
wouldn't be time for everything if he did that, so
I do talk to principal.

Speaker 12 (01:16:39):
So we talked about the fact that sometimes we dragged
these out. I know you last year, you guys have
disputed whether there was any rust with Ceedee Lamb when
he wasn't here at camp.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
For those of us who aren't in the rooms or
aren't talking to the.

Speaker 12 (01:16:51):
Agent like you or Stephen, what's holding it up?

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Is it apy? Is it injury language?

Speaker 12 (01:16:56):
What are the little nuances that are preventing a contract
getting done? Since you talked to Micah, which is something
you guys have done pretty early on with the player.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
More so than you have in the past.

Speaker 9 (01:17:07):
Well, first of all, we've always felt like it wouldn't
do you know, it's not productive to talk about any
details about what's holding what up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
I mean, obviously we don't have a deal with Mike
and we have work to do. That's the only thing
I would comment on.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
The other thing I would say is a contracts four
or five years, Okay, there's a lot of water under
the bridge.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
If you step out there and do something in the
first two or three you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Can get hit by a car siously, and so there's
a lot to look at over a lot of years.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
That could make a big difference.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
Have you ever heard of any clubs committing to players
and then they didn't pan out if they committed to them.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
We have, And so my point is, there's.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
Of all the reasons in the world to when you're
under contract, if you're not under contract. One of the
things that exacerbates this is that you have a kind
of a policy or a practice to have contracts, but
have like it's some kind of obligation to do something

(01:18:23):
before the contract is over, okay, in other words, not
have the benefit of the contract. That goes completely against
the benefit of the club, which ultimately should be to
put a winning team on the field. And the more
that you can husband, the more that you can spread
it out and put it around and have other good

(01:18:45):
players rather than all going to a few players, the
better team you got.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
So there's a lot of reasons. Timing is a lot
of reasons, and a.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
Fact, why would you go out and basically spend money
just to spend money and not have had to spend it, but.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
You can spend it three years later. Money costs money.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
There's a lot of reasons why this old business of thinking, well,
my gounness, it's pretty obvious to me. Everything goes up,
So why don't you catch it when it's low? Have
you ever thought that when it's low, they're counting on
it going up? And those are the numbers that are
coming out, not the ones that are going on right there?

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
Have you ever thought about that?

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
I'd said ninety percent of the time, they are not
dealing with you in those numbers today. They're dealing with
projected numbers, which alfully usually have more fluff than reality.
They've usually got an imagine, another imagination, but an expectation
that those numbers are going to be higher than they are.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
And there's a debate.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Okay, what if we're sitting here putting the club together
and we're trying to get them and we don't believe
they're going that high.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
God really knows, you know, So all of that comes
to play. Okay, there's a lot to unpack in that one.
I was that's the winner right there. I think that's
that's the winning, winning answer of the press conference.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
The fun thing, I don't know, Craig, you know better
than I do.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
I feel like sometimes with these answers, he just he
wants to make people feel like they're dumber, like, what
do you what do you mean you're surprised?

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Me up and resign?

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Michael Parkson's here's why, and then he speaks for seven
minutes and then halfway through it you kind of lose
interest and you're like, you know what, Actually, maybe Jerry's right,
but it doesn't seem like he is kind of speaking
condescending lee to you know, that's a word to Jane
Slater or to Kalashaw or the Clarence Hill or anyone
who asked these questions because their valid questions. Why not

(01:20:47):
just sign your your best defensive player, uh, two months ago,
so you don't come to training camp and answer these questions.
But at the same time, it kind of goes back to, uh,
you know, I think Jerry Jones loves he loves his
press conferences.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Yeah, uh, you know. I I think that he definitely
enjoys that opportunity. He's not I will say this, He's
not the only one who on occasion will respond like that. Apparently,

(01:21:25):
and I read about this, I did not hear the
sound bite. Maybe you can pull it up. John Harball
apparently snapped at who's the who's the reporter of the
Pro Football Report of Pro Football news reporter for NBC
then took the place at Peter King. Mike, you're talking

(01:21:48):
about all right? He asked John Harball about and it
had to do with the President, and you know, because
this whole thing about whether there's white House and of
course the Ravens who win the Super Bowl, but the President,
I guess was coming to Baltimore or something. Yeah, I
have the exchange, all right. He was asked, Uh, he

(01:22:13):
was asked about, you know, why are you welcoming a
guy like that who said that Baltimore was a trash
city and a rat infested dump and all this other
kind of stuff. And John Harball kind of took umbrage
to it when it was it was a valid question.

Speaker 9 (01:22:31):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
But John Harball, my point about all this is that
Jerry Jones isn't alone in this. There's lots of people
who get like that. In his own way. Bill Belichick
would always be like that on the Seattle you know,
so they would do that. So you do you have
the SoundBite here? Listen, listen, this is John Harball being
Mike Florio is the guy I'm trying to remember. Mike

(01:22:53):
Florio Pro Football Talk and NBC Mike Florio, So here
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
You can help baltim marketing and kind of who wants there,
you know as a problem representative of Baltimore him.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Well, why you framed that question?

Speaker 11 (01:23:08):
I would friend the question like, you got a chance
to go visit with the president?

Speaker 7 (01:23:11):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
What was that experience?

Speaker 10 (01:23:12):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
It was amazing?

Speaker 11 (01:23:13):
It was awesome, And I promise you I root for
our president. You know, I want our president to be successful,
just like I want I want my quarterback to be successful.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
And I want my team to be successful. Uh and uh,
and it was.

Speaker 11 (01:23:25):
It was an amazing experience. You know, it's it's not
often you get invited and you get a chance to
do something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
As a family, you know, we were there.

Speaker 11 (01:23:31):
My daughter was there, Jim's daughters were there, My mom
and dad were there.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
Uh, my mom and President Trump.

Speaker 11 (01:23:37):
You know, just seeing that the how he treated her
was was really meaningful in the path.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Yeah, all right, So that that was his response to it,
all of that, and then what I what I saw
after that was all of the the stuff that happens
with a thing like this with folks on both sides
of the political aisle. And so they're those who are
obviously defending John Harball's take, and then those who are saying,

(01:24:04):
Mike Florio did not ask a borish question. He asked
a legitimate question about that, but it sparked that type
of response. So that's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. And
and Jerry was kind of he went into that long
diatribe of did you ever think about dot dot dot?

(01:24:27):
And then goes into a long thing, a long spiel.
But it happens. I mean, my gosh, my gundhy come
after me. I'm forty, I'm a man. Right, Yeah, there's
there's there, there's that. There's there's famous response blow ups
over the years, I think between reporters and coaches, reporters

(01:24:50):
and executives, gms or whatever, uh, administrators at the collegiate level,
it happens.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
We see sometimes with Sark. You know, I'll hope he asked, hey, hypothetically,
and then he'll say, I don't hypotheticotheticals. Okay, but what
if I don't do hypotheticals next question? You know, And
that's a little bit tamer compared to the Jay Jones
going after Jane Slater or whoever. But you know, I
mean again, like you're being asked questions, so you can

(01:25:19):
answer them however you want to.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
That is how I look at it too. Yeah, yeah,
And sometimes sometimes the reporter when it comes to that
with Sark that you just pointed out, is trying to
ask a certain question or to get an answer to
a certain question that is a hypothetical And the first

(01:25:43):
thing that's going to get it completely rejected is if
you say hypothetically speaking, because Sark has made it plain
and clearly he does not do hypotheticals. He goes into
the here now. So then understanding that some of these
reporters that have been to a lot of Texas press
conferences over the years, would then try to reframe the

(01:26:08):
question or to go into it into a hypothetical type
of question situation, but to try to frame it in
a way that doesn't sound hypothetical. That's not easy to do,
and Sark will see through that a lot of times
and then say that's hypothetical. I don't do that, you know.
So that's that's where you know a lot of that

(01:26:29):
comes from. I think in listen, they're one of the
best sound bites of all time that I've heard with
that type of response was Reggie Jackson, And it happened
at the radio station I was working at at KRLD

(01:26:53):
in Dallas by a reporter that we had. He was
our morning drive sports report. A great guy, just mild mannered,
really nice guy by the name of Art Haines. Good
friend and Art like about. We had about a year's
overlap between the two of us, and then he left

(01:27:13):
to go back to where he was a native of
Western Missouri and became the play by play voice of
then Southwest Missouri State. Announced Missouri State has been for
forty years, and he's been through a couple of really
bad cancer battles and come through it and all this
sort of stuff. He's retiring this year. But Art went

(01:27:36):
out to cover a Rangers game one night. It was
in September. This would have been eighty two, this before
I started working there. But the frame framework of it is,
it's like nineteen eighty two. The Royals, who had won
the division the prior four years, were in a real

(01:27:57):
dogfight with the Angels and had Reggie Jackson and the
Angels ultimately ended up winning the Western Division in eighty two,
and they lost to the Brewers in a memorable best
of five alcs that Milwaukee was down two games and
none came back in won. But prior to that here,
it was in September and the Angels were coming off

(01:28:21):
a huge series in Kansas City where it was sellout
crowds and it's raucous and it was high intensity baseball
between the two division leaders. They come off of that
and they go to Arlington. They're playing the Rangers, who
are on track to go I think sixty four and
ninety eight. The Rangers were long out of it, playing

(01:28:43):
in that crappy old Arlington Stadium hot box that I've
sat in many many times, and there was maybe seven
thousand fans there, maybe on a Tuesday night or whatever,
and the Angels went about business than they won something
like seven to two or something like that. And so
afterwards Art goes into the Angels clubhouse to see if

(01:29:08):
he can get a few words from Reggie Jackson about it,
and he asks him, is it you know, I'm guessing
this was probably quite a bit different atmosphere than what
you just ran into in Kansas City. And he goes,
I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know
what you're talking about at all, and he goes, well,
I'm I'm just saying, you know, because of the environment

(01:29:30):
and the competing teams, and he goes, I completely disagree
with you, or something like that. He's being contrariant. And
then Art asked him about playing the Rangers not his stuff,
an opponent, and he and then so Reggie finally says
to him, he said, you just try to knock the
fans here for not coming to the ballpark, which he
really was, and he was just you try to knock
the Rangers to say they wanted not that good a

(01:29:53):
ball club, and you try to knock me or my
own team or something like that, which wasn't true. He said,
you need to do a better job of asking the
question that you want to ask in order to get
me to give you the answer that you want. He said,
I can take your microphone, your tape recorder, he was wearing, glasses,
your glasses and anything else you got, and you can

(01:30:14):
stick it. And he went on from there, just said it,
and Art was like, all right, all right, good night.
That was that, and it was kind of a badge occurage.
We all got a good laugh out about when I
heard it years later, But that's what it was, and
some folks, no matter how you phrase it or frame

(01:30:34):
it or whatever, it's not going to sit well with him.
And a guy like Reggie Jackson or John Harball, you
heard him say, why do you ask a question like that? Yeah?
Why did you frame it that way? Why did you
frame it like that? So there's just yeah. I do
think a lot of the reporters, especially were covering the
Cowboys and other teams, I think they understand that if

(01:30:57):
you're going to go in and ask and uncomfort question,
you got to be ready to get an uncomfortable response.
That's just the life of reporters. It happens that way.
And I know a lot of people think the media
scum this that and do that. I'm also not one
in the camp of those reporters who say I had

(01:31:20):
to ask that question. The public has the right to know, eh.
I think that's a stretch sometimes on that you didn't
have to ask that. It's specifically not as many people
are that interested in that answer as you are the reporter.
And that's happened in this town, and that's happened in
a lot of places, a lot of places all across

(01:31:41):
the country.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Well, especially with these message board sites now, Craig, where
they are appealing to their subscribers right in this like
you'll read it, whether it's on any of the forums.
Why didn't you ask coach Sark or coach this? Why
didn't you ask him this? How come you guys are
throwing softballs to him and you know we we're there
every Monday. The reporters in Austin are as unbiased, I

(01:32:04):
think as any other team in the country in terms
of how the media will cover ut even you know,
they might have burn orange and their logos and their
mass heads and on their polo shirts they wear, but
they they ask, you know, tough questions to salk wherever,
and a lot of times you know it'll create not controversy,

(01:32:25):
but some friction, some friction.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
It'll happen that way. And my response to some of
those reporters when they said, well I had to ask
that question, Yeah, not as many people are interested in
that response as you walk. Yeah, you may same thing
with those on the message boards. Not as many people
are interested in that particular question and answer that you

(01:32:49):
personally are interested in. That's something you wanted to hear,
but that doesn't mean it has universal appeal. It's an
individual thing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
And there's times too where it's like we go in
to a Monday press conference and it's like, man, like,
I hope no one asks Sark about this because in
terms of the football team, there may it may not
have anything to do with the product on the field,
But because maybe it was a story on social media,
the message boards are wondering, Okay, how come no one
asked Sark about this because it was impertinent.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
It did not it was not germane to what the
event was about. Yeah, and it's not like it's happened
with John tay Cook.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
I think no one really asked talk about John take
Cook because you know what, it's a he's a young
man that made a lot of mistakes.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
We're moving on, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
But I think a lot of people constantly wanted to
know more about John ta Cook than there was really
anything to bed.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
Well, and they found out more about John say it kind.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Of came out and then you know that story about
Reggie jack straight and it happened last year with Jerry Jones, right,
I think he's on one O five three of the
Fan and yeah, said like, if you want to do
it better, if you want to get the answer that
I think you want from me, you got to do
a better job of asking the question.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
Yeah, yeah, listen, I've always said this and in the years,
and this is my fortieth year in professional radio, started
in nineteen eighty five. Throughout all this time, which I've
dearly loved, there are going to be some of those

(01:34:20):
types of times and experiences and moments where it's where
it's not the best job in the world, but you
still love doing what you have to do. And I've
always said, there are ways to say things, there are
ways to ask certain questions if you think it through
and think about it from the perspective of the other person.

(01:34:43):
I've always said the most challenging part of our business
what we do, is the interview, not the play by play.
Play by play is a skill set, but you can
learn a skill set on it. Thing with doing a
radio show, you can learn a skill set and things

(01:35:04):
like that. You can also learn a skill set as
an interviewer, but it's much more oblique, it's a lot
more nuanced, and it just comes mainly more with time
as much as anything else. All Right, we'll continue. We've
got some more coming up. When we continue on thirteen
under the zone. You know, talk about all these interview things.

(01:35:34):
Bill Sheening and I will laugh about this tomorrow. I'm
gonna ask I'll ask Bill if he remembers this. Nineteen
ninety four, which I always say, for me as a broadcaster,
was the oddest football season that I ever worked in
the broadcast for University of Texas, the oddest Texas Long

(01:35:55):
Worn football season I've ever been a part of a broadcast. Too.
That the Long Worn ended up going eight and four
that year, and they were one of five coach champions
of the Southwest Conference because Texas A and M was
on probation and was ineligible for that and they could

(01:36:16):
even play on television. It was also when they were
playing on Thanksgiving night and John mcaviick's head coachaid, I'm
not gonna, I'm not gonna, We're not gonna kick off
to Leland McElroy kicked off to Leland mclroy brought it
back for a touchdown. That was also the year that
they lost to TCUH lost to or maybe they beat

(01:36:40):
he said they lost to Texas Tech lost to Rice
on Black Sunday, a game that was moved to Sunday
night because of the baseball strike that year, and so
it was moved to Sunday night on ESPN and they
lost to Rice. But they beat Oklahoma the week after
beating Rice, and that was the Stony Clark big tackle
with the goal line to preserve of the seventeen to

(01:37:00):
ten Texas win. And after the game, UH, they were
they think had Houston the next week, and Bill as
John mcovic because James Brown and Shane Morenz had shared
quarterback duties in the lost to Rice, James Brown ended
up quarterbacking Texas to the win of Oklahoma. So Bill

(01:37:22):
asked John mccoviick on our post game show, has James
Brown done enough to will James Brown be your starting quarterback?
Uh next week for Houston? Which I thought was kind
of pointed if John's response was to say, I don't know, Bill,
I haven't even thought about that yet. And Bill, we'll

(01:37:42):
ask him. Bill goes, well, you better think about it.
There's a bunch of reporters getting ready to ask you,
and John just takes off the headset and drops your
ago clunk clunk, clunk. So Bill pitches the break and
he looks at me. He goes, what I say, Yeah,
I'm got to hear retell that that's hilarious. Oh yeah, yeah,
that was good. It was good. So somebody on the

(01:38:04):
text line had said, well, first of all, men and
sea palaces. On ESPN Little League Girls Softball, Oregon's playing Idaho,
they post the batter's favorite player, and one from Oregan
says our favorite players mea Scott. That's very cool. Absolutely,
But somebody else asked the question is one of the
best rants ever the one that Jim Mora had when

(01:38:27):
he was coaching. I don't know. Let's listen to it
and hear it. Well.

Speaker 13 (01:38:30):
I'll start off by saying this, do not blame that
game on the defense. Okay, I don't care who you play,
whether it's a high school team, a junior college team,
a college team, much less an NFL team. When you
turn the ball over five times four interceptions, one for
a touchdown, three others in field position to set up touchdowns,

(01:38:53):
you ain't compete anybody. I just talked about anybody, all right,
And that was a disgraceful, hormous In my opinion, we
threw that game. We gave it away. By doing that,
we gave him the frigging game. In my opinion, that sucked.
You know, you can't turn the ball over five times
like that. Holy crap.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
I don't know who the hell we think when we
are when we do something like that.

Speaker 13 (01:39:19):
Unbelievable five turnovers one of them. We've thrown four interceptions
for touchdowns this year. That might be an NFL record.
That's pitiful. I mean, it's absolutely pitiful to.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Perform like that. Pitiful.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Playoffs? Don't talk about playoffs?

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
You kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Playoffs? I just hope we can win a game playoffs.
I think that was actually that rant was when he
was with the Colts and the one with the Saints
where our good friend Dave Garrett was to play by
play voice and Saint So that was the one where
he said we couldn't do Diddley Pooh. He kept saying

(01:40:00):
that we sucked, we this, and that we sucked and
we didn't do deadly Pooh. So he was always a
very entertaining sound bite, no doubt about it. We'll be
back to wrap up today's edition of the program on
thirteen under the Zone.

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