Red River Rivalry Preview Special LIVE from Bar W in Dallas!

Join Craig Way, Mike Hardge, Mark Henry and Cameron Parker on your trip up to Dallas!

They'll preview tomorrow's Red River Rivalry Matchup on this special edition of the Craig Way Show, featuring guest appearances from Norman Watkins and Will Matthews.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to another Texas. Oh you Red River Rivalry Friday.
Good afternoon, everybody, and we're glad to be coming your
way again from a place of that.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
I just flat out fell in love with a year ago.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Bar w here on Maple Avenue, six April.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
So good to be back here again.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm Craig Way, joined by Cameron Parker, Mike Hardball Harge
who was really the gatekeeper and the key master to
this whole thing happening up here, and the world's strongest band,
Mark Henry.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
How he feeling, Fellas, I'm feeling great, encouraged.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Yeah, I'm feeling great. I mean it like a viking
with this drink.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
We have a stin that's the size of a gasoline plump.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's enormous.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, he's making it happen. But to your point, I'm
excited to be here once again. This is the hottest
bar in Dallas, Texas. When they put this concept together,
it turned out to be exactly what they want, what
they envision. If you look around and you see the
detail in this place, it is prestine. So being here

(01:06):
and having a good time. And I was in here
yesterday and got to hang out with Riley, and she's
in charge of their promotions. So this has been an
outstanding venue for us to be at again.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Today, this would be this would be can my vision
of how a sports par should be. The way it's appointed,
the way that the many and I do stress the
word many. Large screens are set up here, the menu,
the beverages, you can't ask really for anything else on it.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
To end, they have a fabulous patio and a second deck.
I mean it's got a little bit of everything.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
Like the deck is you can party up there and
not even have to worry about the sports bar.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
There's an actual game room up there. It's like video
games and just pool tables.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yeah, they did it.

Speaker 6 (01:52):
And we've learned from this season that not only does
Craig Wade just like multi screen multi view of the
four box to eight box, to whatever box, so does
Steve Saraksia also hate So there's no multi boxes here,
no four box eight boxes, because there's seventeen thousand TVs
in this bar.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
So there's plenty of individual boxes.

Speaker 6 (02:12):
And you have the massive projector out on the patio
with which is lovely.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
It's shaded.

Speaker 6 (02:17):
So at barw it was such a fun show last
year and without a doubt, I think the show ended
like yep, same time next year, same place, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
No question about it. And uh so we're glad to
be here. If you're if you're listening to us driving
up on the iHeartRadio app, good on you good glad
to hear the perfect perfect and just directed right on here.
We're just it's just west of downtown over uh you know,
in the uh Maple Uptown area. In fact, the the

(02:45):
Marriott Hotel it's is right behind over here is the
is the Marriott uptowns we're in kind of the uptown.
It's on the corner of Maple and Wolf and uh
and and I used to and and if for you
OG's who remember Dallas really well, across the street from
the Stoneley Hotel.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
That's another way to remember it as well.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
So which is an Oklahoma hotel. And I mean that
can be a good thing or a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
You mean the fans Okay, yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
It's crazy you walk out there and everything is oh
you I mean, it's.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
What's around it.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Well, and that's that's the other thing that I was
going to say, because in the past I've been a
part of some shows at some places that were definitely
going to be heavy heavy Texas and and you had
a long worn fan base and it is that.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
But Oklahoma Suoner fans are welcome too, Yeah, and so they'll.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Be there'll be a lot of people, uh, you know,
with the both constituencies for well represented.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
So that's good. So we hope you'll come on out.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
This is a special four hour hour edition of the program,
goes all the way up until six o'clock. We're gonna
obviously break down the Texas Oh oh you game. We'll
talk about the matchup, we'll hear from Loghorn's head coach
Steve Sarkisian from last night's addition of Walghorn Weekly, his
individual thoughts on the Sooners.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
So we'll do that.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
And if you want to reach us on the text line,
you can do that. All you have to do is
text the word Texas follow by your question or comment
to eight one five three zero. Standard messaging and data
rates may apply.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
And it's got to be good if we're gonna speak
of it, speak of it.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, And and and if you want to try to
reach us on the talk back microphone, you can do that.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
And if it's good enough, Jay Carmon. I produce her
back in the studio, will air that.

Speaker 6 (04:33):
And if you come here and say hi to Mark Henry,
he's the nicest guy I know.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Don't touch him. Please, don't touch him right that thing.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
If we're facing to face, you want to shake my hand,
you know, like you're asking me for a hug.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
I mean hug you back.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
But like the slabbing on the back and the grabbing
my neck, I don't understand it, Greg, Yeah, I never
wanted it. I never asked. I never gave that kind
of energy. Don't understand that.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
This temple here is perfect for a body slam. So
if you want to touch Mark Snack, he will throw you.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
I want, I want.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
I don't hit people for free, because free will get
you locked up.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's a good point, you know, but I will call
the police.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Well, the way you just described it, you said I
didn't ask for this, that didn't want this. It reminds
me of all the attention that Archman and got unwarranted
attention before. Exactly he didn't ask for any of that.
Now I know there are people at their tool. He's
got all those commercials running and yeah, okay, that's part
of the nil deal. But he doesn't do his own
media availabilities part of the team.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Deal on Monday. Uh, he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
You know, he doesn't do and and he goes and
does things on his own, like going to the children's
hospital and things like that. He see he doesn't have
a PR team that follows him around and does that
sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, because he's a right thing.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Kind of guy. He is so and so were you.
That's why it made me think of that when you
said that. You know, didn't ask for that. But but
but campus right, if you if you do want to
come in, you don't have to be afraid of Mark Henry.
He's a very very nice, genial fellow.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
You know, he might take too many pictures, Craig, he
might take too many take a picture.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
It's hard for me to tell a kid no, or
grandma bro my grandmother would she would? She visited me
in my sleep. Yeah, if I was to tell a
granny no, right, I'm busy, right, like, that's never been
the case.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
I would never do it well.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
And you you even do it for regular.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
I would do it for hard. So he's hard on.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
That's different.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
It's so hard.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
But the thing about it y'all heard how you set
this up? Oh you know, I'll do it for the grandkids.
I'll do it for the little kids. I'll do it
for a grandmother. The problem is he's doing it for
grown men, and that's why the hand getting hit all
the bat. Well, we go start, We'll go practice this weekend.
We go practice this weekend.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
They spend the starting tomorrow and merchandise and stuff, and.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
All they want to do is just say not be acknowledged.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah, and I try that, But it's the ones that
sneak attack me that I don't you'll need.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I don't like to that that one. You don't need.
The ones who just want to come up and have
a picture.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Man.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I had it come on after the media at the
media lunch in the day, you.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Know, because you got your award, Fridaly Craig.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, well that was that was nice, Jo. It was funny.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
What they're referring to is that the you know, back
in February, folks, remember that they made the announcement that
I was receiving the Anderson Snip Award, presented by the
National Collegiate Baseball Writers Association for contributions to college baseball.
Uh It's normally an award given to uh to team
representatives and and people who were involved in the game

(07:56):
of college baseball, not necessarily people on the media. All
the Kirk Bowleses were of it, and then there I
think three broadcasters have received it and and so I
was the third or the fourth whatever.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
And at the time they.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Announced it, it was like the plan was they were
going to come down to Austin before a long Worn
game early in the season because this announcement came down
in February and we were going to do a thing
their presentation on the field. Then they're representatives got tied up.
They couldn't do it, and so the the kind of
assumed thing was, hey, we'll do it in Omaha. We'll
see you O. My only problem with that long words

(08:30):
and make it Omah. So I had forgotten about it.
It was nice, a nice ward and everything. And then
they contacted me about a week and go and say, hey,
are you going to be at the media lunch and
thing for that? And I said, yeah, I go every year. Okay,
well we're going to present you the award. Then I went, okay,
So I went, but I didn't want it to be
and thank goodness.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
It was not.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
I didn't want it to be out in front of
the media were they were there for an entirely different reason, right,
So they said, no, no, come here. We took the picture
out in the parking lot and I said, you know what,
that's perfect it because.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
You're always on the road, you're perfect there.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
So uh so anyway, yeah, there.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Was that, but congratulations, well thank you, and and and
you know, folks had come up to the original point
what we're talking about. Uh, some folks came up and
asked for a picture, so I took took some pictures.
You know how it is, Mark, is it's a thing
of paying it forward and in heart you've had it
as well, people to hit you up with as well,
and you just you just do. But you make a

(09:25):
very good point, Mark, Can we just leave it it,
shake the hand, take the photo.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Smile and leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
It doesn't have to be whacking you on the back
or grabbing you around the neck.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
I love you and is doing all this kind of stuff.
You know, maybe you know.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
I don't even know how to respond when when when
that they grab you and I love you stuff.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
That's it, that's it.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
That's got to be that just my opinion, that's got
to be an association, mental association with.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
What you did right for so very for me, like
I know you it's been twenty.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Years years and the physical nature of it, Yes, if
you were in such a physical thing, I'm going to
get physical with right, that kind of thing, you know.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
I wonder if Arch has had that happen to him,
of course grab him?

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, oh you got sacked.

Speaker 6 (10:23):
Well Arch's thing was he was he said, this is
a good article. I can't remember wrote it for the
I think it was Bruce Felbn and the Athletic wrote
it in the off season that Arch is okay taking
pictures and shaking hands. What he was uncomfortable with was
he would want from class to class across campus and
everyone would just have their phones out recording him. Now
he feels like a zoo animal, right, He's okay with

(10:44):
the interactions. It's when people are recording him every single
move and everything he does, because then you feel like
you have no privacy.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, do you feel that if you don't and if
you're not on your best behavior, you might have something
happened to you, like Mark Heinchez exactly who got video
doing all of that that the cameras caught him on,
you know, on TV doing that.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
Great, we can do an experiment the next time we
go out, I can raise my voice and start saying
something that's a little bit off killed there, okay, and
you watch all the.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Cameras come out.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
Oh yeah, like you cannot do that, no more, no, no.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
It's like George Carlin used to say, you can say
most things. You know, you can't go around and yell
pneumoia in a hospital. You know, he's you can't do that, right,
he said, But most things you can say other than
those seven dirty words you couldn't say on television or whatever.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
So yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
It triggers response, right, and and there's and and there's
no need for that, okay. Our response to you today
is to talk about this matchup between Texas and Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
We're gonna do that. We're gonna look at that.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
There's some other big college football games as well as
one on the West coast. It's pretty big. A couple
more in the South that are big. So we're gonna
get to all of that. And again, if you have questions,
you can reach us on the text line, you can
do that, so we're glad to be with you again.
If you're coming up, why not come by bar w
here on Maple Avenue, right at mapleand Wolf. We'd be
glad to see you. And we're here up till six o'clock.

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Special Texas OU weekend edition of the program on Sports
Radio AM thirteen under the zone of the iHeartRadio app.
Bar w is the place. We're glad to be here
and glad you're with us as well. Craig Way, Cam Parker,
My Cardball Harge and Mark Henry coming away from bar
w here on Maple Avenue and did you get you

(12:31):
ready for Texas?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh you week? Maybe?

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Maybe not even maybe it probably had the long runs
not lost the game at Florida, their conference opener last week,
this game would probably carry even more buzz, even more
pizazz than it does. But I think the fact that
there are other games this weekend of some national imports importance,
that's why this game may not be the number one headline.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Are in a lot of folks fines, but.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
In these parts and for that matter, in the SEC,
it's pretty dog one important.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, this is one that we've talked about at nauseum
because of the fact that this is important for the
Texas football team in so many different levels, you know,
as you mentioned, coming off that loss in the Swamp
and not looking as well as they should in that matchup,
and then you think about the fact that after the
loss you get the rivalry against Oklahoma, which I said,

(13:28):
I'm thankful that this game happens to be right now,
because what does the coach always say, don't make one
loss turn into to a second loss, and getting the
focus of the football team back to where it needs
to be in this particular moment, this game comes at
the perfect time in.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
My eyes, Mark, I thought sarks at something pretty interesting
at the start of Longhorn Weekly when I mentioned similar
things to what Hartje just said, and he said, there
really isn't a better time to play this game than
right now, And he met that with every thing. Not
only that it's what Mac Brown used to call to
call a mid season bowl game or whatever you want

(14:05):
to say, and all of the rivalry, but coming off
of the loss, not that this game wouldn't need anything
else in terms of artificially created to get their attention,
the rivalry and the game and the opponent. Alan does that,
but you add to that what happened last Saturday in Gainsville,
and then and then it adds the extra element.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
Yea, this game would be like botox. It would take
all the wrinkles out, It would take away a lot
of the pain.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
It would make.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
You not see the blemishes hard or not. Before this season,
we both said, Wow, how cool would it be that
both teams would be undefeated going into this game, making
it incredibly the biggest game without a shadow of the doubts,
the biggest game in college football. And you held up
their side of the bargain. Yeah, and Texas, you know

(15:00):
we we we're limping, but we're not injured. It's just
a little pain. I think that we can get through this,
especially with a win.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
One thing that was on the SEC website I was
reading early this morning. I thought this was pretty interesting.
Was the top what they what they SEC Sports did
the seven best Red River Rivalry games of all time.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Oh, now, you think about there's been one hundred and twenty.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Of them play, but they picked out seven that they
think are the best of all times. So I wanted to
get your thoughts on this number seven itself. October twelfth,
nineteen sixty three, Texas be twenty eight seven. It's not
because of the fact that Texas won by a lopside
in the margin. It was that Oakland was number one,

(15:51):
Texas beats him and that opens the door to Coach
Royal going on to win his first national championship. So
that's I think it probably deserves to be ranked in
there because of that. Uh and they took the number
one ranking there and kept it the rest of the
year to win the national title.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
So that one that I can see that I can
see that one being up there.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
That was number seven. Number six.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Was two years ago thirty four to thirty Oklahoma Dylan
Gabriel leading the Sooners back and was able to the.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Big OVID Times game.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah he hit well, that's ranked two, but this one
isn't it. He hit Nick Anderson for the touchdown pass
with fifteen seconds left. Twelfth rank Oklahoma beating number three
Texas thirty four to thirty. That was their last meeting
as Big twelve Conferences. That one, number five is October eleventh,

(16:47):
nineteen fifty eight, Texas fifteen, Oklahoma fourteen. It was Coach
Royal's first win over Oklahoma and he wound up dominating
Oklahoma throughout towards. He never had to lose season in
his run of two good decades at Texas and from
nineteen fifty eight to nineteen seventy coach Oriinals teams win eleven.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
And one in the Red River rival. Love it, yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Right, number four, and I think this definitely deserves to
be ranked in the top five. October eleventh, two thousand
and eight, and tomorrow will be the seventeenth anniversary of
this Texas forty five OU thirty five. That's when Texas
was number five, Oklahm was number one. Colt mccoyley in
the way Jordan Shipley the big kickoff return for the

(17:34):
touchdown when the Sooners were off for fourteenth three.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Game and that won the game that Klon decleted Undy.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Holmes from South Olkleffic.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
That's right, yeah, right, same game.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
And to your point, Mark, both teams entered that game undefeated,
and we're talking about the wards of how when both
teams entered the game undefeated, it has that much more
cachet it does. And they both entered five and oh law,
just to attend the game in the series at that
time at ninety two one hundred and eighty two. That
was after the first series of renovations. Number four was

(18:09):
fifty five forty eight Oklahoma over Texas. That's when Caleb
Williams came in for Spencer Ratler quarterback after the Long
Wars were up in that game twenty eight seven turned
it around, great memory, I understand that. Try it from
my side calling that from the Boats to Savior. Worthy
had a huge game for the Long Wars nine catches,

(18:31):
two hundred and sixty one yards, two touchdowns, and then
it looked like it would send the game overtime. Oklahoma
that won late drive and Kennedy Brooks got the game
winner for the Suitors. And that that was number three,
number two Dick or the kicker I need say anymore.
October sixth, twenty eighteen, Kyler Murray at quarterback. Texas was

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ranked nineteen, Oklahoma was ranked seventh. That was Sam Allener
leading the way. And that's when Ellinger went over to
shake hands with him, and Murray wasn't having it and
then wanted to and so Ellander told him something along
the lines. He used the four letter word that begins
with F and then said take the loss. That hell yeah,

(19:16):
and said something like that. And number one is the
four overtime game, and that was five years ago October tenth,
five years ago today, October tenth, twenty twenty four overtimes
during the pandemic year, and Oklahoma led thirty one seventeen.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
After three quarters long Wrens caught him.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
The game goes four overtimes when they finally get a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Drake Stew's some of the head coach.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Got the touchdown in the fourth overtime and the Trey
Brown see what the win for the Sooners. He intercepted
Sam Ellinger's pass at the goal line.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
Right after that. So I think it's a pretty representative. Listen,
this is a good list.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
Where was there one that was left off that that
you that you can remember where you just went ooh,
that's this one should have been in there.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Well, I know the I know the ones that resonate
with me from the Texas side. Two thousand and five,
twenty years ago, was Texas snapping the five year losing
streak to Oklahoma forty.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Five to twelve.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Jamal Charles's a freshman, goes eighty yards for a touchdown
straight up the middle of the field.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Roger Wright picks up that fumble and chucks it all.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Down all the way to the end zone and the
long ones ended that frustration and that and they had
already won in Ohio State, but until they got past Oklahoma,
everybody was still holding on let's see before and and
uh and and they really held Adrian Peterson and checked
that day. Uh, you know, and and went on and
got the win. So, yeah, well they did that day.

(20:50):
He didn't do much and Texas won that one forty five.
He had a huge game the year before, but they
they couldn't get it into the end zone until late
and that that was the twelve to nothing ball game
at O four.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Which game was it that?

Speaker 5 (21:05):
And I know you would know if anybody would when
Roy Williams dove over the top end.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, two thousand and one, that's the Superman play. And
when I was talking to Toby Rowland, the Sooners play
by play voice, that's one of the ones obviously that
resonates with him.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
That was the one there they're up seven to three
in the Ford quarter.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Texas to start from its own three yard line late
in the game, and Chris Sims goes back to pass
Roy Williams of Oklahoma out of then Lanier High School.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Now it's Varro College Prep.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Dives over the top, hits Chris Sims he's throwing the ball,
wobbles up Teddy Layman. Scoop then takes in for the
touchdown to seal it. They went fourteen to three. That
was the second of the five in a row one
by OU. Also from the Oklahoma perspective, they're going to
remember two thousand, sixty three to fourteen. It just absolutely
shocked everybody that that happened. What we didn't know was

(21:55):
how good Oklahoma was at that time, and they steamrolled
that day and then went on to win their national
championship under Bob's tubs.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
So those are those are a couple that come to mind.
I think.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
I also like to think of twenty thirteen. It turned
out to be Background's final year. Texas had come off
being blown out of the water by TCU fifty to
seven that game.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
That's when Chris Boyd was tweeting from the lockery.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah, that's when the thing was a little bit rough.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
During halftime, they and they go in to this game
in Dallas a double digit underdog.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
People are expecting the Sinners to wipe the floor with him.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Texas not only won the game, they pretty much dominated.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
They got real physically. They won thirty six to twenty.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Jonathan Gray had a big game for the long warnings
and that, and they just dominated the line of scrimmage
that day in beating UNKLHA big Chris Wayley with an.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Interception that takes it in for a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
So there.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
You know, those people will remember touchstone moments and games,
and that's part of what makes a great rivalry a
great rivalry. People who clington to George and Florida from
the Georgia south of Walways. Remember Lindsay Scott the ninety
three yard touchdown pass and run here's you know, Larry Munson,

(23:09):
the legendary play by playboys for Georgia going right. You know,
I don't think I would I could do that, but
he did it. You know, people remember certain moments in
big games. If you're an old timer, remember Notre Dame
in usc Remember Anthony Davis at that massive game he
had back in the seventies when he scored six touchdowns

(23:30):
and they were down twenty four to nothing the Notre
Dame and they come back and they win like fifty
five twenty four and.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
It was just it was amazing.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
There are certain games, certain rivalries Ohio State Michigan. People
on both sides remember certain plays, a certain names. Lately,
Michigan has had Scoreboard beat them, even though Ohio State
won the national championship a year ago.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yeah, this is one of the greatest weekends in sports.
And you talk about the rivalries and everything that goes
into it. This is where families coming to get This
is that moment of getting j yeah or jubilee. You know,
you get excited about these types of moments. And we've
talked to a lot of people. I've been here since yesterday,

(24:10):
so I got to talk to a lot of folks,
and everybody is anxious. This game has everybody anxious.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
It's not the.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
It's not the coming in with the confidence that you
would have had in past years on either side. On
either side. Now, Oklahoma has a lot to be happy about.
It's it's undefeated season so far, and now you're walking
into the Cotton Bowl and they're supposedly getting their head coach,
I mean not head coach, but they're quarterback back this

(24:39):
week and we'll talk about that a little bit. But
it's just the anxious moments of this ballgame of the unknown.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
I told you this morning on the show, on the
morning Kickoff, that I feel nervous, like I don't understand,
I don't normally feel like this, and you like, oh, man,
it's just a good nerves But it's like you just
used the term anxious.

Speaker 7 (25:06):
Yeah, it's more anxious than nervous. There's anxiety. I'm man,
I'm like, let's go. Can we play now?

Speaker 5 (25:14):
You know, like this, this is a It's been a
while since I felt like this in a Texas game.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Interesting, all right?

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Coming up, we'll start to talk about some of the
key elements of this game and some of the matchups
and the things that Texas has tried to turn around.
We're also gonna hear coming up at the four o'clock
hour from Longhorn's head coach Steve Sarkisian. This from last
night's Longhorn Weekly in talking about this matchup with Oklahoma

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and what he sees when he looks at the Sooners
on film. So we look forward to seeing out of here.
Come on out here to bar w on Maple Avenue
here in Dallas, right on the corner of Maple twenty
nine twenty six April. So come on out and George
of great food and beverage and conversation with us. Yes,
even with Mark, You're You're welcome to do that. We'll
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(26:04):
Sports Radio AM thirteen under the Zone and the iHeartRadio app.
Good afternoon, welcome back to the program here on Sports
Radio AM thirteen under the Zone, as we come you
away from br W here on Maple Aby, glad to
have you with us. Craig Way, Mike Hargolhards, Cameron Parker,
Mark Henry being a social butterfly that he is, you know,

(26:26):
he's that's why we're saying it's it's overblown upon him.
He's very, very very congenial, and we'll and we'll visit
with people.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
He's I do have to pick with you though, met
with me.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yeah the other day. You're like, you should see him.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
He's so chiseled.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
I was like, what, Craig more chiseled?

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Everything is relative, I dig it.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Compared to what he was. He's he he is a
chiseled man compared to what he was. I made the
remark that that you were chiseled and that and set
too well with hearts here on that.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
I'm trying to get hard to work out with me.
I totally and he said, listen, I got nothing.

Speaker 6 (27:07):
Can we do that. Let's record that. I want to
see hards working out with Mark henry Man. I've been,
but let's do it. I'm not gonna beat him up.
I'm got a sponsor for it. Yeah, he got a sponsor.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
I have a sponsor called the hospital.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Same day, no hit athletics over now, burning road?

Speaker 2 (27:28):
What time? What would be your rechmen?

Speaker 4 (27:32):
What tell her? What?

Speaker 5 (27:34):
Three hundred reps, a hundred of body reps, one hundred
core reps and one hundred leg reps. Whether you do
let's just simplify everything. You do fifty squat, fifty squats
and fifty lunges. Your legs out of the way. Now
you would be out of.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Have to get to fifty.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
You do fifty sit ups and then you do fifty kicks. Okay,
is gone, and then you do fifty push ups and
then fifty overhead presses.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
You're done. But you want to do this in under
twenty five minutes.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
So that's the cardiovascular element that you put to it.
Then you go and stretch and you don't realize how
much fat you can burn by stretching. And then you
get in the hot so getting the sona, you know,
you do a little bit more stretching and staying there
for fifteen minutes, and you look up and the fifteen
minutes is gone, and you sweat it off from pound

(28:32):
or two and you start to see the difference and
you make it makes you want to do more. That point,
you do your ending cardio where you get on a
bike for thirty minutes, or you walk on an elliptical,
or you know, do a treadmill. It's not hard to do.
I don't do nothing heavy anymore. I don't live heavy.

(28:53):
I just I just try to stay moving.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
The more you can stay moving when you get our age,
the better it is. And then if you're taking your
hard held like the human super beets super beets, you
know that that's that's gonna be a big help.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
So this is how you lost over one hundred pounds.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 5 (29:12):
And and also like I'll eat pizza or I'll eat
a burger or stuff very so often, but I'm not
eating five burgers, Graig. I would eat three hamburgs. There
was a time there was a time when I would
eat a whole chicken, or I would eat a whole
sixteen ounce pizza.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Did you ever trackt your calories like the most, like
the peak?

Speaker 4 (29:38):
How much you ate per day? Yes?

Speaker 5 (29:40):
The most that I got consistently done was about fifteen
thousand a day when I when I was world strongest man.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
And son dude liking the Blues Brothers.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Four fried chickens and a coke.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
A twelve piece meal chicken by myself. Wow, it was ridiculous.
And that would be that would.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Just be lunch and you go through it pretty quickly.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
A dozen eggs for breakfast, like a half a loaf
of bread for toast, like you know, a whole roll
of pan sausage. I would make like three panties out.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Of one package. Him made him a quarter pounder sausage.
Absolutely sage. And you know, like for dinner.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
You know, like if I went to me and my
wife used to love Houston's, it's now bartlet.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
I would order two entrees and.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Eat them both and say to her you're gonna have
something eating, you know, stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
I can't do that no more. I mean, I was
I was at a competitive eating and then when I
stopped wrestling and I kept eating like that, I blew
up to like four point forty and it just wasn't
healthy no more. So then I, you know, start doing
Mark Henry Strong Kids, and it was geared towards helping
kids lose weight and be more confident, and in the

(31:06):
process I found myself again.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
So wear are you right now?

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Now?

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I'm three thirty and you're trying to get the three.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
I'm trying to get the three hundred. Okay, dude, you
wouldn't even look.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
That's why I said, he looked.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
I have people walk up to me going, oh my god,
I can take you now, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Like to the movie, those are the ones patting it
on the back. That's that's interesting. Okay, it's interesting. We
bring up the thing about the size of the guys.
I I, you know, the offensive line has been a
great deal of UH has brought about a great deal
of conversation, and how it's less I think about whether

(31:46):
they were just flat out getting physically beat at the
point of attack.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I don't think it's as much.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
That as it has been UH, just a fact of
making some technical mistakes and some UH things like that
that have made a difference, and that's why we've seen
a bit of the uh, you might say, the the
rotation going on at left guard, where they're still trying
to find the right guy, whether it's Connor Strower, Namosulou

(32:15):
or Nick Brooks got an opportunity last week, stuff like that.
I think it's more of those kinds of mistakes and
less about just getting physically overwhelmed.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
Craig, I think the size part of it is overrated.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
The only thing that size does is it makes it
harder for your defensive lineman. It's like doing a push up.
If you do push up on three point fifty enough,
it's gonna wear you out. That that's the only element
of having big guys that helps you in football. You
need guys that have quick feet and that know what
they're doing. And it is the guys in Texas are

(32:50):
so new. Even though they've been in the program, they
haven't done it and they haven't simplified the line calls.
We talked about this this morning Florida. Great job by
Florida's defensive coordinator because upon the snap of the ball,
they shifted and at that point Archer's got to say,

(33:13):
whoa let the center or guard, whoever makes the line call,
say right left, and then everybody's shaved and blocked the
guy that.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Shifted, then they'll go back to Norman.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
But Texas was at a disadvantage because they were outwitted.
And that's gonna happen more because now teams realize, oh,
we can confuse them.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
So you're gonna see the twists.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
And that was the thing that Florida did that I
thought was really shady. They would shift and then do
a twisty and they confused the hell out of those Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
And Sarr gave Ron Roberts, the defensive coordinated, a lot
of credit for that about having this guys ready to
do that to give them different looks than what they
saw on film.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
And Florida balled.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Defensively up to that point, even in the losses, but
to could completely change the look I think was something
that throw tax.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
It confused me, but because I saw so much football
in my life, I was able to see what they
were doing. But like if you're a young kid and
you never started more than three games and then you
see elite defensive line play like that, and it was
elite because also Florida was cheating. The referee should have

(34:30):
called a couple of off defensive holdings because the defensive
tackles knew that they were going to run a twist,
so they would hold the guys so you can get around.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
That's that's a penalty. They didn't call it. They did
it like five to six times, and putting.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Forwards out there would have been called against them.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Yeah, for sure, referees.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
He's had that call against him while playing with the
Rams this year. As a matter of fact, all right,
we've got more to couple.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Talk more and long on offense, and like we said,
we'll have the matchup of the defense.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Talk about Oklahoma. Uh, there's other college football.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Hey, oh wa, anybody notice the baseball playoffs that went
on yesterday?

Speaker 4 (35:14):
I was.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
I was impressed that it took that long for you
to bring it up.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
I thought it was going to be the opening.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
I just wonder if anybody take like if I was
doing that, I would I would have said the day
before yesterday. So I just said yesterday about the Nation League.
But uh, there there's one game to night Seattle in Detroit,
a decisive fifth game that'll be played in Seattle.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Everything the Mariners are taking this one.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
We should, but you know, you never know in this
game of baseball, and it's clutch time to see. You
got to see who locks in and who's locked out.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
And then tomorrow Mariners, I mean.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Excuse me, Milwaukee and Chicago, you got Brewers, who comes
one more time?

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Brewers got killed. The Brewers are up against it right now.
You know how that momentum swings in baseball. Right now
it is happening, and the Cobbies are doing everything they
possibly can to get through it.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
The one thing Milwaukee has really going forwards, two things, really,
but one of them they're going back home, yep, where
they won the first two games. That's why I thought
last night was ultra important for the Dodgers game that
they didn't win last night, going back to Philly with
Philadelphia having won too in a row, all of them
momentum going. Even even though the Dodgers would have sent

(36:26):
Otani back to the Mouth, I think all the momentum
would have been with the Phillies and they probably would
have won the game had it got back to Philly
last night.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
I know you were talking baseball, but what do you
think about the WWE having the crown Jewel Kickoff on
ESPN two, and they they announced that there was eight
thousand people, but it looks more than like fifteen thousand.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Crown Jewel Perth. And let me tell you something. If
they can put professional pillow fighting on on ESPN, yes,
and big racing, big wheel racing, cornhole yeah thing, put
those on there.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Why not slap What do you think about the slap fighting?

Speaker 1 (37:11):
The slap fighting thing. If they could put that on,
they could certainly.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Put this on.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Okay, it's just alternate forms of entertainment. Just like people
ask me about the Savannah Bananas. It's the Harlem Globe
Trotters of baseball. That's the Savannah Bananas. It's a different
form of entertainment. And uh, all another screen, there's pickleball
going on.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Entertainment baseball.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
I don't, I don't. That's that's a different form of entertainment. Okay,
I mean, don't tell me that it's on the same
baseball level as mL but I think everybody knows better.
But it's it's a completely different kind of entertainments.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
And I'm perfectly all right with that.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Man.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
I love having conversations with you. Greg like that. Hards One,
allow me to freestyle.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Is that true?

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Talk about random?

Speaker 3 (37:58):
It's a good thing because we got four hours and
he still want to ask about all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Well, we've got time to do that, and we got
time to look at your good.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Questions and no, we're good. Go ahead, man.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
We continue from bar w Here on Maple Avenue in
Dallas and Texas. O you preview Friday on Sports Radio
AM thirteen under the Zone.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
We welcome you back.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
To our four hour preview of Texas Oklahoma. Texas O
you weekend here on Friday, and what better place to
be than bar w Here on Maple Avenue twenty nine,
twenty six. We had our debut program from here a
year ago. Fell in love with the place and that's
why we are glad to be back. Craig Way, my Cardball,

(38:42):
harch Bar Henry Cameron Parker, and we got a rather
special guest with us, don't we, Hartball Heart.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Yes, we do.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
The one and only number one bachelor in Austin.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Well, let me go back, let me number one.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, number one, while were number one because I am
the one. He is the one and only Storman Norman Watkins.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
And this game gets norm.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
So fired up because Everybody wants to talk about Stony
Clark and making that tackle on the goal line.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
But the truth be told, Norm was right there.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
In the middle of the action and also made him
turn back in. So Norm did his job, because that's
all he's supposed to do.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
So Norman, that wasn't a situation like Chris Jones of
the Chiefs mentioned the other night that he stood there
and just watched the storm on the end zone.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
He just stood there and watched on. You didn't just
stand there.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
You got over and re directed their Stony Clark to
make the stop on James Allen at the goal line.

Speaker 8 (39:42):
Right, game of mentions. Right, yeah, And this is a
game where legends are made.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
No doubt about.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
See now, people that know Normal, they remember what he
did when he played as long worn. Those of us
who are even older can attest to the fact that
they actually called a high school playoff game that Irving
High was playing in where Norman Watkins was the star
for Jim Bennet's Irving Tigers.

Speaker 8 (40:07):
Craig Way, you just brought back some good memories, man.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
I remember the playoff games at Texas Stadium. You guys
playing playing at that there and you were the key
to the defense back then.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
And uh and.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Then you know, moving on from there to Texas, you
had had great memories playing for the Longhorns.

Speaker 8 (40:24):
I got to tell you, so, Coach Bennett, it's like
a father figure to me to this day.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Yeah. So I check on him once every quarter.

Speaker 8 (40:30):
Yeah, and I go see him and we have lunch
at one of our traditional places back in Irving.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Yeah. I love that, man. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (40:37):
And Irving was the foundation of gotten me here, but
coming to Man and coming to ut Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
And I lived in Irving for seventeen years and I
know what it was like. And you're right, Jim Bennett
was your classic Texas high school football father figure.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Coach was he Was he tough or was he a
nurturing coach? He was tough?

Speaker 8 (40:57):
Okay, So back in the day, he was the guy
that grabbed face. Always like him, but you knew he
came from a place of love. So Coach used to
take He used to pick up three or four players
on a team each day that lived kind of in
the same area. And because I lived kind of close
to the area, my mom's single mom, he would pick
me up and our two running backs and every day

(41:19):
back in the day, we had two running backs that
came from from humble, humble, humble background. He would slip
them ten dollars each day so they can have lunch
and dinner. He was that kind of and he never
knew I knew, but I would see it right right
every day.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
That was the kind of coach he was. That was
the kind of man. He was.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Love the love the and and he was. He was
a guy who.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Could could charm the media when you talk to me
that he was gentle and all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
And then I heard all this stuff like what Norman
just crime. He was tough. He was a tough onbre
to deal with this coach, you know it. It was great.

Speaker 8 (41:56):
Well, let me let me tell you a funny story.
So one day in practice he come grabbing my face
mask and shook me up a little bit, and I
was fired up, and h I came to him after
after coach. I came to him after practice, say, coach,
I need to come to see you know, in the
meeting room, in your coaching the room. I say, hey,

(42:17):
don't ever do that again. I was like, He's like, son,
I love you. I said, I appreciate it, but uh,
you know, like.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Just don't grab me like that, don't handle me.

Speaker 8 (42:27):
But that's the kind of relationship we had. But but
but in hindsight, after getting to know him better, he
became to this day, he's like a father.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
I have so much respect for him now.

Speaker 8 (42:37):
And I knew, I knew now, I knew even after that.
It was because he cared. If a coach doesn't get
on you, be nervous that he doesn't get on you
because they don't care.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
About you, right, And that's just old school.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
That's what the old think about.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
They don't care how much you know until they know
how much you care.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
That's that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
So the way that he would grab your face mask
because Chop mckavick did the same thing.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Oh yeah, it's hard.

Speaker 5 (43:05):
I'm glad I got this, you know, like it's a
damn shame. Teddy Bridgewater was put together. I think it
was four guys, four kids that he was helping uber
them home after practice and practice got done at four
point thirty five o'clock pm. Their mothers work and father's work,

(43:29):
so they couldn't get home and he couldn't drive them
fifty miles or forty miles or whatever combined so he
would uber them and he got in trouble for it.
And this is a dude that is giving these kids
an outlet, keeping them out of trouble, trying to help
them be better young men and see role models that

(43:51):
actually care about them. And I just feel like, like
sister jenis, like she just passed away. She did the
same thing before she took the job as a chaplain.
She was the student athletting assistant and she would help
people with their grades but also help them with finances

(44:12):
to get meals. Like reading about her made me, yeah, look,
I looked at.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Her like a coach.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
She was.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
She did stuff the coaches did.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
He stayed talking about sister Jean Delora Schmidt, who just
passed away at the age of one hundred and six.
Everybody came to know her during the twenty eighteen NCAA
tournament because she was with Loyola and they're great. Cinderella
run to the final four that year. So just talking
about role models and people who made a big difference
in your lives and then and then, and I know
all you guys who played the game can talk about

(44:43):
this as well. What your teammates did to uplift you
and you had teammates access during that time when you
were going up, and you had those those games against Oklahoma,
and you know ninety two as Peter Gardera ended his
four and old run against the Sooner, ninety three, the
Cale Gundhy, who you have on the that was his
one moment is one shining moment in the sun when
they won thirty eight seventeen in ninety three, the Stone

(45:06):
Clark stopped in ninety four. In ninety five, the tie,
the last tie Texas ever had, after having a twenty
one to nothing lead in that game. And then in
ninety six the first ever overtime Texas game played. James Allen,
the guy who's Tony Clark stopped, scored the winning touchdown
for the Sooners in that game. But the thing is,

(45:26):
in talking to Phil Dawson about that game, he said,
it was so new over time was so new. We
didn't know to play defense. Texas won the Tawston took
the ball.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Wound up kicking a field goal, and Oklahoma gets a touchdown.
They win the football game. So I mean, but we
remember teammates.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Who kind of pushed us and directed us, and we're
a big part of our lives right.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
Yes, sir, Yeah, you know, it's just.

Speaker 8 (45:47):
You know, I know, it's a lot of robberies out
in college football in Michigan, Ohio State, Arburn, Alabama, but
it's nothing like the Red River robbery. It's nothing like it.
And until you played in the game, and I think
Sarks said it best, you know, five years ago when
he first became a coach. You can talk about it,
but until you come out of that, until you go

(46:08):
in that stadium and both teams come out that same
that same area, and then you have Crimson on one
side and Burnt Orange on the other side, and it's
still I still my my hair jumps off my body
now just thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Right, let me ask you this, when when you were playing,
did both teams still enter the tunnel at the same time?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah? I forgot what year they finally figured.

Speaker 8 (46:32):
We had We had a few rumbles too, Yeah, yeah,
we had a few rumbles. And you know the beauty
about this game, Craig and guys, uh, one of my
best friends is Reggie Barnes, sure, who's a OU legend.
In fact, we're gonna have dinner with him tonight. And
he played at OU and and he was went for
Tubbs first cousin, and that's how I know Reggie, and
Reggie was went on to have a great career with

(46:54):
the Cowboys and steel He's got a Super Bowl ring.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (46:58):
And you developed these relationships because most of these kids,
most of these young men are from the state of Texas.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
So if you look at the Oklahoma.

Speaker 8 (47:07):
Roster, most of those guys that we played high school
against and we played junior high school again, so most
of these kids know each other.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Yep, yeah, Hey, we're gonna have Tommy Harris tomorrow. Tommy
is a Texas boy.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Well I got that two five to four.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
That's what's happened. That's what's happening there.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
But I wanted to ask you this to Norm because
let's get back to the football game. This Texas football
team is going through some things right now and you
and I we break bread all the time talking about this.
But my question to you is, in this moment, coming
off of this loss, and this is something Craig and
I were talking about, this game comes at the perfect
time because you stay locked in in moments like this

(47:45):
because of what you just said.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
You went to high school with this.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Dude, you went played against him during the school year,
then you went through playoffs, and now you get a
chance to represent the state of Texas for the University
of Texas.

Speaker 8 (47:59):
So again, I'm super excited for our team. And even
though Halt, we've heard all the media from the national
to the local and how bad we played, and let's
just be honest, we did play bad.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (48:15):
Right, we didn't literally get off the bus last week.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
But I feel good about the game, guys.

Speaker 8 (48:22):
And I think that we have an opportunity to really
write a new chapter right now in this game. We
still have a lot to play for and it starts tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
And I like what I've.

Speaker 8 (48:32):
Heard from I've listened to a few of the the
few of the few of the podcasts and listen to
a few of the interviews, and I like that it
sounds like we're coming in with a.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Pissed off team and they're gonna be ready to play.

Speaker 8 (48:44):
And I think as bad as we played last week,
and as much as they said against about Arch, I'm
more encouraged because Arch got a little dog in him.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Now.

Speaker 8 (48:54):
Absolutely, he kept us in that game last week. If
you really know football, he kept us in that game
last week, and we didn't play really well on defense,
and I think we're gonna we're gonna have a coming
out party again.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
We're gonna be pissed off laying defense. So I feel
good about what We had.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
Five plays that would just malfunction. It's like a computer
went down in in something. And if you can get
rid of the three of those five plays, Texas wins
that game. And so despite how bad it was, like,
it wasn't that far off.

Speaker 8 (49:25):
Yeah, yeah, and listen, give give give Florida credit, right,
DJ Lackway played a great game, and then you have
some guys that really stuffed up.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
Everybody knew Florida had talent. Yep, it just so happens.

Speaker 8 (49:36):
The timing was perfect for them to come out and
have guys healthy and play their best game.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
And have a freshman breakout Dallas Wilson.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
They knew was gonna be good, and it would happen
to be when you don't have your best cover corner available.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
It was the same time decision.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
So no Elik Muhammad and whoever was rotating over there,
and no one guy comes to fault for this. But
whether it's Kate Phillips or Kobe Black or Grayson Littleton's
spinning down from uh, from the star Backs. Whoever was
over there, they knew that was the area to go,
and Wilson made big places.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
You noticed something about that game, like everybody was calling
for the coach's head. Nobody's saying nothing about his job status.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Now, yeah, yeah, that was a that was a career
game for him.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
There were a lot of people wearing T shirts.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
I saw my own eyes there at the stadium that
said fire Billy.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
They said it was probably about one hundred people.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yeah, that saw a bunch of them in there, so
and I.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
Guarantee they took those shirts home and threw them in
the trash.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
Away for another week exactly. That off all right?

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Uh uh. Norman Watskins is our special guest, Storman Norman
Watkins our special guest. Uh.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
We'll continue to talk about this.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
I want to ask you a couple of questions about
the line set, the mindset of a defender when a
quarterback like John Mattier comes back, and we'll get to
that coming up. We'll get to some more of your
question as well. We're at barn w here on Maple Avenue.
Hope you'll come on out, and we're here up until
six o'clock with a special Texas OU preview show here

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on Sports Radio AM thirteen under the zone of the
iHeartRadio app. We continue with our Texas OU weekend preview
show from here at barn w on Maple Avenue, Craig Way,
joined by Mike car bolharn Mark, Henry cam Parker, and
our special guest is Norman Watkins, the lifetime Longhorn and
Irving ISD Hall of Famer, just like you and Michael

(51:31):
huff Right.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Yes, sir, yes, sir. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Ed rodrig Walker Roderick Walker, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And in
your high school careers overlapped Bob a little bit, you guys.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
You guys went at one another a couple of times,
you did.

Speaker 8 (51:44):
We used to run track against each other, used to
play baseball, I mean basketball against each other, and we
played football obviously in Rod Walker before he got hurt,
you know, he was the number one running back in
the country.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
He was when he got hurt, Roger starback.

Speaker 8 (51:58):
A few people went and came to see him in
the hospital.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (52:02):
And if people don't remember, he didn't play his senior
year and still had scholarships. Everybody on his scholarship back
then Notre Dame was good. All those people still honored
his scholarship, and he didn't play his whole senior year
in high school.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
He had and I'll tell you what when he and
Byron Miles went to Texas Tech, they were dashing destruction,
those guys and the Beast in eighty eighty went to
the third round of the playoffs, lost to Odessa Permian.
That was the Friday Night Lights year and it was
also the Dallas Cardi year. So I was pretty busy
on both of those fronts doing all that kind of stuff.
So it was it was something else. But you guys

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had some great, great years as well, as we mentioned
under coach Bennett as well. I wanted to ask you
when you hear of a playmaking quarterback coming off of injury,
as John Mattier is, he's upgraded to prodiable, He's going
to be ready to go when you were playing, did
it kind of light a fire when you knew it

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was a playmaking quarterback?

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Come back to try to.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Look at this smile not only neutralize him, but if
if you knew there was an area that might be
a little bit physically sensitive for him to kind of oh,
shall we say, capitalize on.

Speaker 8 (53:12):
That, try to knock his head off first play. Let's
get an opportunity send a message. And this is the
type of game you got to send a message.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
I remember my first OVERU game.

Speaker 8 (53:23):
I knocked the punter out, hit him on a player
on special teams because back then, you know, you could
just play.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
You can play.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yeah, yeah, well, And and to your point, I would
think that guys like Colin Simmons and Ethan Burke and
Anthony Hill would would like to think that they could
pin their ears back and go get this guy.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
You know, I am.

Speaker 8 (53:48):
I so want to see Colin send them get off early,
because he's the kind of kid that, especially coming you know,
from Duncanville area, it's gonna be home with a bunch
of his family and friends there. He's the kind of
kid that can have a breakout game and have three
or four sacks in one game, you know.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
And so I just think that he needs to play
fast and lose.

Speaker 8 (54:10):
And I'd like to see Anthony Hill play on edge
some and let him loose. I think we've just been
really conservative on defense in some of the different schemes
of the Grand.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
So I like to see both of those guys go off.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Well, you brought up a good point, and I know
you guys you jump in on this as well. But
I've always said this, and this will be my thirty
fifth Texas O game in the booth, I've always said
this game doesn't have any more than any other teammate feel,
but it does have a little bit different special feel

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for the Metroplex kids.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Come back.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
You were one of those and you you know you
think about it, And here's Trey Wisner coming back in
a chance to play in the game again.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Anthony Hill, a guy who's from Detton.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Ryan Trevor Gooseby told us last week he went to Melissa,
which is up north of that, but I forgot he
spent his very young years less than two.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Miles from fair Park. So it means a lot to the.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Metroplex kids to come back because you're trying to get
Collin him and you point out a chance to kind
of show out in front of family and friends.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Did well think about it now? I don't know how
they do it now.

Speaker 8 (55:19):
But back when we played, we would stay after the
game with family and friends and then come back to
Austin the day after and just spending the whole.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Day, especially if we won.

Speaker 8 (55:33):
Right, and then the years I was at Texas, we
won three out of the four years.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Right, And keep.

Speaker 8 (55:37):
In mind the beauty about this game, right, throw out
the record books. A lot of those games that I
played in we were supposed to lose because oh you
were better just on paper in regards to record wise
and ranking.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
So this is the beauty about.

Speaker 8 (55:51):
This game, because again, all these kids know each other,
not from high school, but all the way from grade
school pee wee ball.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
So you throw out the record books.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Yeah, they've all got scoreboard.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
Do you show exotics this this game? Like, there's no
reason to hold anything back at this point.

Speaker 8 (56:08):
I think the key mark whoever is the most physical physicality.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Is going to be win this game.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
So were we gonna go out there throw out all that.

Speaker 8 (56:18):
Right, Whoever's going to be more physical is gonna end
up winning this game.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
Whoever is the more physical in.

Speaker 8 (56:25):
The trenches, this game will be won offensive defensive line.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
And I think twenty of the last twenty one games,
the team that ran the ball better won the game
twenty and twenty five the last twenty eight twenty five
of the last twenty years.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
So it battles one at the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 9 (56:42):
Yeah, exactly, that's what we're talking about here. Yeah, and turnovers,
think about it. Turnovers is going to play a huge
part in this game. Just think about if you think
about all of the years and how you make these
game changing plays turnovers. Usually the team that has the
turnovers usually the team ands and win this game.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Right, And the ones who can get turnovers in the
second half, you know, well they can play a role certainly.
And the long Warns are trying to clean that up.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
But that's a part of it as well.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
I mean, if you we were talking about the kicker,
you know, Longworts had a pump block last week.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Can't have that happen.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
And if you rough the kicker on the other side,
it can change it can flip momentum and feel position
in the game as well. I think about this too
when I mentioned turnovers, when turnovers happened, I think about
There was a Aaron Ross had a huge interception in
the two thousand and six game that that was really big.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
That was in the second half. Our man, our compadre Rod.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Davers had to pick six that gave Texas a fourteen
three league.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
But that was in the first time. Oh yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
He used to say, nobody catches a ball on my
side of the field, including me. He used to say
that background didn't what didn't really like that that much.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
But he didn't have a pick.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
He didn't have a pick six against home and two,
and it gave Texas a fourteen to three lead. But
that was that was in the second quarter, and Oklahoma
was able to turn it around on the second half
and win.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
If you can.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Create forced turnovers, get overs, three and out stops in
the third and fourth quarter, it really exponentially creases your
chances a winning well.

Speaker 8 (58:17):
The key for us, I believe, and as I kind
of think about this as I'm talking to.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
You guys, we got to start fast.

Speaker 8 (58:25):
And you think about that Florida game, right, we had
an opportunity to first play right to get that turnover.
We got to capitalize. We got to make those plays.
And I think if we can get off to a
fast start and get arts gone, I think we're gonna
have a good day.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
To the second half and win.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
If you can create forced turnovers, get overs, three and
out stops in the third and fourth quarter, it really
exponentially creases your chances a winning well.

Speaker 8 (58:51):
The key for us, I believe, and as I kind
of think about this as I'm talking to you guys,
we got to start fast, and you think about that
floor the game, right, we had an opportunity to first
play right, to get that turnover.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
We got to capitalize. We got to make those plays.

Speaker 8 (59:08):
And I think if we can get off to a
fast start and get arts going, I think we're gonna
have a good day.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
Yeah. Right, that's the key for this game. But another
question that I have.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Asked is you talked about coming out of the people
get to the Cotton.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
Bowl and they start drinking, hitting that yack.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
It was rowdy at eleven am already for sure, think
about cam.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
If that was a night.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
The crowd, they wouldn't have to do.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
So.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Norman, I've always said this ninety four was your senior season, right, sir.
I always said in the thirty five years that I've
been on the broadcast, the nineteen ninety four season, I said,
was one of the strangest, oddest seasons I think in
Longhorn football history.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
If you look back.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
At that season, it had some of the highest highs
in some of the lowest lows. Anytime you lose to Rice,
it's a low and and that was a load point there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
There was a thirty three to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Nine loss to Texas Tech in Lubbock that but but
and there was also the loss to Texas A and
M when coach mciv said they would not kick off
the Leland McElroy and they did and he took it
back for a touch.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
There was that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Those were load points with the high points included a
big win over Houston and then and then the win
uh the win over Oklahoma and so James Brown had
gotten his first started quarterback then and afterwards Bill Sheening
asked coach mckovic on the post game, He said, has
James because it was that competition room between him and
chamber Writ and he asked, He asked John mckovic, so, coach,

(01:00:45):
has James Brown won the starting quarterback job? And mcavick's
response was to say, I don't know, Bill, I haven't
even really thought about it. And Bill says, well, you
better think about it as a bunch of media waiting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
To ask you about it, and the silence on the
other end.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Look at Bill and he goes, thanks, coaching, this is
what you're on the other end, he took his head
set off now and Bill looks at me, he goes,
what I say, Yeah, yeah, but that was a big
that was a big big. And then I should point
out that the Longhorns wound up a five way tie
for the Southwest Conference.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Tyler, do you get a ring for that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:01:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
I don't even know that where he.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Is because A and M was all probation five way
tie Texas, TCU, Rice, Texas Tech.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
And Baylor.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
And that was the other thing Baylor Thanksgiving morning, remember
that the ten am kickoff and and uh and Texas
went out and beat Baylor sixty three thirty five. Then
you go to the Sun Bowl and beat a Mac
Brown coach North Carolina Tea. An incredible game, full circle,
great game, bull and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Just a tremendous game all the way.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
That's why I said it was one of the oddest
years in Long Morton football history.

Speaker 8 (01:01:52):
I would like to say it's a lot like life
at versity hits everyone and you keep on getting up,
keep on getting up up. And I use football as
a I make it applicable to everyday life. That's why
I think athletes have a general upper hand when it
comes to business. Because I can tell an athlete or

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a person that's been on a team like that in
the business world, because adversity hits everyone and it just
depends on how are you going to react when things
get tough or you're gonna point fingers or you're gonna
be like, hey man, let's let's huddle up and let's
go after it, because you're gonna get knocked down, and
a lot about life, right as we all lived a

(01:02:34):
number of years and play sports. Right it's the it's
the best game, in my opinion, in the world because
it's the ultimate team game.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
No doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Absolutely, it's great to see you. Appreciate you coming by.

Speaker 8 (01:02:45):
And I love you guys, and I appreciate it. And
keep on kicking. Butte on this this this show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Norman Lifetime Loggorn with yes, uh, coming up, we're gonna uh.
I see his mouth is moving, but not because he's talking,
which is normally the case for Will Matthews. Normally that's
the case. But his mouth is moving because he's eating.
But coming up, Will Matthews will join us. We'll do

(01:03:13):
that when we continue here from barw on Avenue on
thirteen under the zone. Having a lot of fun here
out of barw here twenty nine to twenty six Maple
Avenue here in Dallas, our next guest has distinguished himself
not only with his regular nine to five employer, truest Bank,

(01:03:33):
but also of course distinguished himself first as a member
of the Westwood Warriors, then as well as a Texas Longhorn,
where he earned a very pleasant nickname Headache, but now
of course plying his trade on the side for us
as our sideline reporter on the Texas Long Horn Radio

(01:03:55):
Network from Learfield, the one and only.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
We'll give Matthews this here. How are you? Let's go?
You know, I'm excited for tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (01:04:05):
The whole calendar just kind of converges just on this
one day. So I'm so ready and it can't wait
for it to be game time. Like it's I'm out
here just.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Hanging out, just talking to people.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
Aren't you you tired of talking? You just want the action? Yes,
I just want the action.

Speaker 10 (01:04:25):
I mean we we we took a pillow to a
bare knuckle fight last week, and I've been wanting to
get that taste out of my mouth.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
I can't be.

Speaker 10 (01:04:35):
On the field, so all we can do is talk
about it and then hope the guys come and show
up because I think the prize.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
On the line for this week. So it is, it is,
you're just like the artist. Will I up break the auction?
That kind of thing?

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Did you ever speak of bringing the action?

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Did you ever I'm not saying to get into a fight,
but did you ever get into a nose to nose
with an Oklahoma Sooner during the game?

Speaker 10 (01:04:58):
I mean, yeah, as much as I pop, we could.
If this is the game where you take that little
bit without getting in trouble. Without getting in trouble, I mean,
the first guy, if he gives the first elbow, then
they're cool. It's the next guy. So I always want
to be the first guy with the elbow to the ribs. No,
I mean this this game brings a little bit extra
out of everybody. I mean, if you are not chippy,
this is the game to be chippy. If you're if

(01:05:19):
you're gonna bring that little extra little bit of fight,
this is the game to do it. And those guys
they bring it to I remember guys like Teddy Layman,
Roy Williams on that side. I mean, and they just
ruined my life in some areas I mean we had
to go home and that whole year long talk about
whatever happened at Texas.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
Ou I am zero to five.

Speaker 10 (01:05:41):
With these guys, including my red Shirtieer. I want to
bring that out as early as possible. So any time
they lose, especially at the hand of Texas, you know
your boys celebrating.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
So is it more painful to mention that in the
time you were at Texas you were owing five or
is it more painful to say that the first year
after you're gone, Texas won and broke the street.

Speaker 10 (01:06:03):
So I'm happy the streak was broken because we deserve
to beat those guys. It was their time throughout my
tenure and then to get the natty beat them on
the way there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
I love it.

Speaker 10 (01:06:16):
They're they're just so they're the uh, they're the poster
on the way to the national championship.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
So you you brought up the fact that you're ready
for yourself at this particular moment to get that taste
out of your mouth, and you start to look at
the football team and what went down last week, and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
We've talked about this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
This was important and so many reasons for this football
team to have this game, because you don't let one
lost turn into two and the focus seems to be
a little bit sharper. Do you feel like the focus
was a little bit sharper this week.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
I do.

Speaker 10 (01:06:50):
And you can really just test what the team feels
and what they do based on arch Manning. Like he
went to he went to the media right after the game.
He took responsibility for the things that he could contribute.
He's been walking this out in the best way, and
even this week, they're they're bringing it out there Monday Tuesday,

(01:07:11):
and they had a very physical practice this week and
he was a part of it all. So you know
that there's something there, There's that pride and when it's
on the line, this is when the best players step up.
And this is the game where you can make a
hero or a fool either one.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
One of the best things I like about Will Matthews
is that, uh, you know, and this is now what
your fourth year with us on the network for you is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
So like last year in the run to the College
Football Playoff into the semifinals, and the year before in
winning the Big Twelve championship and on the run to
the semifinals and College Football Playoffs, there were a lot
of real exciting moments, and there'd be like these real
dynamic moments and here I am calling a big play
for a touchdown or whatever, and I get all excited

(01:07:55):
and you know, touchdown Rogers really really is And I'd
go down Will and say, well, that was like huge
ball went for Texas.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
He goes it really won.

Speaker 8 (01:08:05):
Yeah, act like you've been there, just nice the other
side of the pillow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Able to dial it back and bring it on home.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
Oh man.

Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
So so now we'll being on the sideline for Texas
OU as a member of the Longhorn Radio Network. When
you venture over to the OU sideline and you're in
your your Texas gear, I'm guessing it's quite an experience
for you because you're probably being heckled by the the
OU frat boys behind you have had their their six
MC ultras in the day, and then you got OU

(01:08:39):
fans on the sideline. What's it like for you trying
to do your job and overall, what's the atmosphere like
on that side.

Speaker 10 (01:08:45):
So I have had the wonderful opportunity to transition well
to a fan as an as an athlete, and and
you don't get to really be down and be in
the stands and see the college expe And so first
of all, when I walk into that stadium, I am
like just this eight year old kid who is like

(01:09:06):
seeing this for the first time through different eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
I remember how fared up you were last year when
we walked into the Big House.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Oh yeah, And and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
And even in the Columbus Yeah, I remember how excited
you were about all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
And even in the swamp class.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
Oh oh yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:09:20):
I mean you gotta you gotta drink it in because
this is college football history. I got to play my time,
But then I also get to be this fan and
not just a regular fan.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
I'm on the sideline.

Speaker 10 (01:09:31):
I've got a relationship with Sark and the team and
bridge the gap.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
But I get to.

Speaker 10 (01:09:36):
Bridge the gap, which which is really special. And so
every time they heckle every horn is down, I'm drinking
it in, loving it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:09:44):
I get a little bit a little chippy myself, But
I think that's just power for the course, really.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Well, being in this game and being somebody that participated
and now get to be a fan. Oh yeah, what
is it that really drives you during this time? Because
we've heard other people talk about it We've heard other
players say certain things, and you start to understand that
this moment you got to take it all in, just
like you said, like the eight year old kid, but

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you got to take it all in. Is that the
intensity that's all in there when you first walk.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
Out, it really is.

Speaker 10 (01:10:15):
And I got the I got the opportunity to play
with some longhorn grace like Ksey Hampton and Sean Rodgers.
And I remember being a freshman and coming out walking
onto the field and those big monsters of humans grabbing.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
You and being like heayd ache, this is different, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:10:33):
And when you walk out down the tunnel.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
Oh you is right.

Speaker 10 (01:10:37):
There, Like they're there right next to you. Your competition
is is is an arms length away. And when you
walk down that tunnel and you got longhorns bah, and
then you got oh you sooners, they're all there. And
what that creates inside of this is something that's beyond
unique because the momentum can.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
Switch fam, switch spam.

Speaker 10 (01:11:00):
It's just so intense, and you can have a heart
attack if you're not ready, right, that's real.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
Better get that super beat.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Absolutely, let me ask you, did you also try to
draw from the lessons of those who preceded you, like,
for example, oh, Norman Watkins, who played like a whole
decade before you did.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
I mean, you know when you played, you know guys
like that.

Speaker 10 (01:11:20):
And here and Norman can Norman can attest to this.
You don't know until you've done it. Now talking to
old heads and me being a moving into that to
that realm you up now we all exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
I'm like, hey, man, this is different. I can't explain it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
To you until you do it.

Speaker 10 (01:11:38):
There's just this, there's this relationship that we have that's
deeper because we've blood, sweat and tears on that field.
And when you see these these old heads and they're like, yeah,
let's go, let's go, You're like, okay, cool, you play
the game and then you're like, man, this was different.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
Do you feel the responsibility to those players that came
before you when you see them to go out there
and do what they can't do no more? And you
gotta go out there and represent them? Like, I don't
know what that feels like because I didn't. I didn't
play for a team after high school, but like it

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seems like you would you would have a Norman Watkins
Tubs Brackens Vince Young. Somebody come up, come on, man,
go give it to him.

Speaker 10 (01:12:25):
Yeah, I mean it really is that, because you know
what it takes for this game, schedules, rosters, all that
be damned, like, walk into this game.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
It is hero zero and you know that.

Speaker 10 (01:12:38):
Like that dude has done this before and he's watching
his cheering on. And that's the role I'm trying to
take with the guys. I'm like, hey man, this is different.
If this is the time for you to pull out
your bag of tricks and do your thing. You want
to be a hero, this is where you do it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Will Matthews her special guests need to break. We'll come back.
We'll have more with well when we continue here from
bar W. I'm thirteen under.

Speaker 6 (01:13:01):
The Zone back at bar W off of Maple Street
here in Dallas, Texas. Cameron Parker alongside Mike harbol Hart,
Craig Waite, and the World's Strongest Man, Mark Henry.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Craig and Mark Henry just left us.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
Yeah, that's so that's cool. We can actually Fortunately it's a.

Speaker 6 (01:13:22):
Fortunately, Will Matthews from the Longhorned Radio Network is with
us and Craig is back.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
Yes, so it works out. Yeah, I do have a question.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
I want to give a special shout out to the
folks over at the Yellow Rose for making this trip
possible and make sure you get over there and get
that big is your face bone in Ribbi and hiss angus.
I found out that I kept saying Agnes.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
I kept saying Agnes, and I was like, did I
say Agnes? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
I was like, I know Agnes too, But that's all good.
But make sure you go over there, because if you
can't make it to Dallas, you can always go over.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
There and watch the games as well.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
We had a question on the checks line from JB.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Shaid last week our defense could not get after the
floor the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
Of the bum leg.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
What do you think has changed that we can get
after the Oh you quarterback with a bad hand hook him?
First of all, First of all, DJ Lackway did not
have a bump legged last week. You were down there
on the FD. You saw first in he was he
was good to go, No, bro, he was solid.

Speaker 10 (01:14:16):
It may be lagging there, I mean he had he
had a ton of tape up all the way to
his kneecaps, looked like but he moved well. And here's
the thing about having a bum leg if you especially
if that's your right leg and you're you're going back
into the flow and you step and have to throw
that ball. He was stepping and throwing the ball and
we weren't able to get to him. So, I mean,

(01:14:37):
just to answer that question, yeah, really quickly, I think
what happened last week is we wanted to stop the
run with a light box.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:14:45):
When that didn't work, we had our backs up against
the wall, which kind of changed the way that we
were going to rush the passer and what we were
going to do. Jaden Ball had a lot of success,
and so as they begin to bring the box up,
it was really a it was really difficult because they
had to play the run so well and that really
led us to not being able to get the kind

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of penetration that we would have wanted to. And let's
be honest, the the line up front was pushed around yep.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Yeah, and then and then and then the added thing
to it was Malik Muhammad was a game time to
say as much.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
He didn't play.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
And again, as I sit in the first hower, this
doesn't point the finger at anyone, but whoever was put
on that side, whether it was Kate Phillips or Kobe
Black or Grayson Littleton coming down from the starback, Florida
took full advantage. You give him credit for Dallas Wilson.
He didn't play like a freshman. He and they kept
throwing that direction and and he kept he kept making them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Pay Hues white out. He's a big boy. He's a
big boy that Malik Muhammad was.

Speaker 10 (01:15:44):
Probably it may have been the difference in the game,
to be honest, it's a big difference Grayson Littleton being
able to come in, Kobe Black, those guys coming in
and playing. It's a different to when you're adding to
a secondary and you're the man in the secondary. Grayson
Littleton had as it had to be the man because
Malik Muhammad. We have been able to mature him throughout

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this time, and he just had to play a lot
of snaps. He had to see a lot of things
he hadn't seen. I don't think his job was bad.
I think they showed him things he hadn't seen. You
he's a young buck, and you know what, hopefully that
maturity and experience will help him in this game. But
get him Alik Muhammad back is huge.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
You're always our superstar.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
So we're gonna see tomorrow morning in time out of
what you're gonna eat the corn dog.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
I'm gonna eat a corn dog.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
I mean eating much Fridays back in. Yeah, we got
that segment.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
We talk about all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
I will we will Will Matthews with us. All Right,
we have two more hours for the program to go.
We'll continue from here at barn W. I'll make blab
of it. I'm thirteen under the time, our number three
of our four hours here from barn W'll make blable
doing Dallas. Glad to have you with us this afternoon

(01:16:54):
here for this special Texas Oh You weekend kick off.
I'm Craig Way alongside my card goal hard Mark, Henry
Cameron Parker. We've had lifetime Longhorns, Norman Watkins, and Will Matthews,
who's also, of course, our sideline reporter on our long
worn radio network broadcast Join Us, which, by the way,
reminds me to remind everybody about our game day coverage.

(01:17:17):
It'll actually begin tomorrow morning at ten thirty with a
third and long worn podcast. Guys their preview. I get
that right, campra ten thirty eleven thirty. You guys are
on the fair grounds at Old Mill. Now, I mentioned
this on the area yesterday, and it probably requires a
little bit of clarification. I said Old Mill was where

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I actually had a date with my wife when we
were dating back in the early eighties, and we went
there and had like chicken fried steak or whatever. Now,
Old Mill during the fair is mainly fair food and breakfast,
I think is stuff out there, But that's your signal,

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that's your.

Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
Well, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be sampling a little
bit of everything, are you. We have our specialty items
from the magazine right that we're gonna try. But I
have to always get a corn dog regardless, and I
have to always get a turkey leg yep. But hards,
you never heard of a popcorn ball. So we're gonna

(01:18:21):
get a popcorn ball so he can sample it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
Yeah, and I think that's not a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
A candy apple, And apparently you're sampling an ice cream
sandwich as well.

Speaker 5 (01:18:32):
Here I'm gonna need it. I'm gonna need a couple
of more uh spoons and forks or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:18:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
So anyway, so you're so you're gonna you're gonna sample
those things. Now, how about that the deviled eggs sliders
with the brisket.

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
I think that's a cam and hard thing.

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
That's me the what is it the wagu bacon cheese,
deviled eggs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Yeah, there's that, Yes, that's and.

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
Then also cornbread, corn bread, corn bread to buy chocolate
funnel cake fries.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
I'm gonna get that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
You know who's interested in that?

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
They had football coach because Cameron brought it up to
him when we were doing Longhorn Weekly the other night.
And Sark, as we know about him, that's one thing
I have in common with Sark. We both have a
sweet tooth and really like dessert oriented things. And uh,
you know, after the win last year, he had a
turkey lag, so and he's had a corn dog he's

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had first, he had the turkey lag after forty nine nothing.
He had the corn dog after thirty four to three.
So he does want something sweet this time around. So
I mentioned a couple of different things and Cameron brought
up the Dubai chocolate thing and he's like, I'm down.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
I'm down if it's a win. If it's a win, yeah, So.

Speaker 5 (01:19:55):
He's not gonna sample nothing if they lose.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
Nope, Nope.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
On the bus and go home. Probably how much of
an appetite, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
That's not that's not why.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Yeah, we came here to handle business and we celebrate
after the Dome.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
It would look weird if the team lost.

Speaker 6 (01:20:08):
He's he's got a funnel cake, cried try ye ask
o Ryan Kirkring of the Phillies if he ate after Yeah,
but he probably he probably if he.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
Still hadn't eaten.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Yeah, And like I said, even though I'm a Dodger fan,
I'm glad they moved on to the NLC.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Yes, you feel sorry for that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Yeah, Look, you haven't made that mistake, but you've been
in position when you played ball, when you made a
mistake that you felt let everybody down, whether it did
or not.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
Absolutely, I mean you start to look at it because
everybody talks about know the situation, right, know the situation
every single time you get a comebacker and you bobble
it a little bit, and now all of a sudden
you forgot that there's two outs and I can just
go to first base and extend the innings because the
panic meter went to the roof. So it's a it's
a lot too to unfold. Then you're right, you feel

(01:21:01):
bad for him because of the fact that he's gonna
have to live with that for a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
And you know, athletes beat themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Up, especially in that situation where we could have went
one more any at least.

Speaker 5 (01:21:12):
I don't want to bring up a bad memory and nothing,
because I always hate that. But was there of a
point where you made a mistake that cast you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
All the loss? Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
I've made three errors in the Championship Series against the
Dodgers when I was in rookie ball, and it changed.
Not only did it change the way I thought about it,
it changed my position.

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
I went from shortstop to second base, so but it
was good.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
Yeah, but but the transition from me to second base
changed my career as well, because I was so athletic
anyway playing the shortstop position coming to second base following
Delino Deshields, one of the best baseball players in Montreal
history and Dodger.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely so in other words, that they said,
we've got a different idea for you. Yeah, this might
work better, and it's part of the gods God's.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Plan things exactly, And I loved every second of it
playing second day, So no doubt about it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
They're showing highlights or you might say low lights for
Texas the loss to the Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Last week one of the big screens.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
And then showing how the defenses really need to go.
And in the last fifty years, when one team is
ranked and the other team is not ranked in the
eight people.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Texas is number nineteen in the coaches.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
But when one team is ranked and the other team
is not ranked in the last fifty years, it's nine
and nine.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
Oh wow, wow, nine and nine.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
And then, like I said, I was mentioning earlier, I
confused the one about the Chris pity thing nebleson twenty fifteen.
But in twenty thirteen, Texas was coming off lost and
they were definitely a decided underdog to Oklahoma, and the
fire was really swirling around Mac brown seat and everything. Uh.
And it ended up being his last year. But his

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last Texas O you game was in the win call.
They played very, very well and at times absolutely dominated
that game in one thirty six twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
Mac is one of those guys that you you wanted
him to go out on a on a winning note.
But for him, that champion, that that championship at the
Cotton Bowl was one that stood out to him.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
So we talked to Nathan.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
Vasher earlier today and he was talking about this was
a playoff game mac He used to call it like
a championship game at the SAX mid season and and
for that to happen in the way that it goes down,
you you have to put respect on it because it
was his final year.

Speaker 5 (01:23:41):
When you put all your eggs in that basket, like
it makes you stronger and have a lot of confidence.
So I see the advantage of having a bowl game
in the mid season.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Yeah, And I mean there's some who think that it
can kind of, you know, distract a team litle bit.
But a game like this, a rivalry game like this,
which carries all the conference implications that it does. You know,
remember there was a time when this thing, who ever
won this game almost was certain to win in those

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days the Big Twelfth South.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
When they had it divided into North and South, and.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
You're pretty much punching your ticket to the Big Twelve
championship game. Now, there were exceptions, including two thousand and
one when Oklahoma beat Texas been then remember lost to
Oklahoma State at the end of the year and had
lost one other game and the log Warrens were able
to get into the Big twelve championship game and lost
to Colorado. But there are exceptions to that ruling that's

(01:24:39):
happened before.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
Yeah, and you start to look at how this season
is shaping up. Now we're talking about being in the SEC,
and you look who's at the top of the SEC.
What needs to happen for Texas to find their way
back in And if they fall on the other side
of this tomorrow, they're not I don't think they will
have an opportunity to play for a championship because a
lot will have have to happen along the way. And

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there's some teams that have just been playing lights out
so far this year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
Put it this way, lost tomorrow all but all but
eliminates Texas if they lose, from reaching the SEC championship game,
and really puts them on the precipice of not even
being able to get into the playoffs as an at large.
You'd have to run the table and might even need
some help to make sure that nothing weird happens.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
And let me give you an example of weird.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
To the north of US forty miles tonight is a
really important college football game.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Yep, North Texas plays South Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
The winner of that game will be at least assured
of being equal in the driver's seat along with Navy
for the American Conference Championship.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
And what and what some.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Of the big power for schools need to happen is
basically chalk. What they need is get let one school
go one beaten and have only one.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Group of it is now G.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Six conference champions get into the playoff, leaving more spots
for the power for It and that's that's what they need.
So keep an eye on that game to night, as
well as what is going on around you know, the
MAC at the Mountain West and those other things, to
make sure that you don't have something weird where two

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conference champions from two G six leagues from two parts
of the country both wind up getting out large as
in and.

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
At Tachnas botel about no Texas chances winning.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
I think they've got a decent shot. They've been better defensively,
but they're gonna have to be really good defensively tonight
against an explosive South Florida offense. They're gonna have to.
If they can be, then I like their chances first
ever sell out at that Q Stadium. They have thirty thousand.
Some people are going absolutely bonkers there. It wasn't like
that when I.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
Was in school, Like I sid Alma Mater is doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
It wouldn't like that when we were going to get over.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
The Fouts Field and then Old Fouts Field across the freeway.
It's a big moment. It's it's one of the bigger
moments in North Texas football history, up there with the
year they went ten and one and they upset Tennessee
and Knoxville. They beat Florida State in a blizzard in
Denton in nineteen seventy seven.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
They went nine and two.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
But you know that it's a big moment for them,
and I will again, I will reiterate, keep an eye
on whoever wins that game.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
South Florida does have.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
The one loss to Miami, but that loss is aging well,
it's not really going to hurt them. If they run
the table and win the American they're still going to
wind up being the highest ranked G five G six school.
But Navy might have something to say about that because
Navy is unbeat as well, and not all the teams

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in the league play each other Memphis is unbeaten. North
Texas didn't play Memphis is sure unless they meet in
the conference championship game.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
So you need a lot of chalk for those things
to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
How about the kid from shallow Water leading them to
the prominence and when they got Eric Morris, they were
hoping that this would be what they ended up with.
And right now this is what everybody's talking about University
of North Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
His name is going to be on a short list
for a lot of people for coaches. And how about
the quarterback Drew mess Tomaker yep, who was Drew Sanders
starting strong safety at Vandergrift.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
He was a backup quarterback at vander Griff.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
He Drew was kidding about it with Keith Morland on
a conference call last week when they were getting ready.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Well you were on the conference call cam and.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
He say, I guess I'm not a very good coach,
because he goes, I had a guy wasn't even my
starting quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
He's the starting quarterback in North Texas. Well, he joked
about how he knew usually he goes.

Speaker 6 (01:28:54):
Into every season and he's always worried about the quarterback
groom because usually most high schools, even the six they
love at one good quarterback, he gets hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Your seasons derailed.

Speaker 6 (01:29:04):
His joke was I got the best quarterback room in
the state.

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
I know that for a.

Speaker 6 (01:29:08):
Fact because mess to Maker was the backup quarterback, and
he was a starting punter and the starting safety, and
he was all district by the way, the kids an
athlete and now in North Texas, and Drew told us
that North Texas thinks he's an NFL caliber quarterback. How
funny would that be? Mess to Maker makes it to
the NFL. Hey, what's your high school stats?

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
I don't have any.

Speaker 6 (01:29:29):
I have my net punting stats, I have my my
tackle stats. I don't have any quarterbacks stats because I
was the backup quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
To his high school teammate Miles Coleman. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Yeah, it's a big part of that. They've also found
a running game. There a couple of good young running
backs that have really made a difference for them. So
that's a big game for North Texas tonight and for
people who've asked me, and a lot of asked me, No,
I won't be there. I'm actually calling a high school
game tonight for victory. Plus I won't be able to
be there, but my heart will be with the me. Hey, listen,
I think it would be great if they if if

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they got into the playoffs, not at the expense of
the long Horns. I'd love for them to be the
highest ranked, you know at LARGS, the highest ranked G
six school and get into the playoff.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
That would be great.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
And then of course I'd love to see the long
Worns turn it around, win tomorrow against Oklahoma, then go
on and win the SEC championship. Up next, we'll hear
from a head coach Steve Sarkesian from last night's edition.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Of Long Worn Weekly.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
We're bar w here on Maple Avenue, twenty nine, twenty
six Maple Avenue.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
We'll continue on thirteen under the.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
Zone and we continue here with our four hour edition
of the program. Let's take you up till six o'clock
this seeding and then at seven o'clock it'll be the
reairing of Long Worn Weekly with Coach sark We record
the program on Wednesdays, at airs on Thursday and then
it re airs on Friday. And what we do in

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that program each week is we you know, we visit
with special guests. We had as a special guest joining
us UH last night or night before last, Quandre Diggs,
and we remember what a what a gamer he was,
and he joined us.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
We also talked.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
About and and and this is something that's near and
dear to Mark Henry's heart UH conditioning and Tory Becton,
the director of Football Performance, was with us and it's
amazing what he and his staff have done. And we
talk about UH and you're very very familiar with it,
Mark the whole What's the the phrase I'm looking for here?

(01:31:36):
When they were talking about the process where they're measuring
so many different things about your heart rate, your your yeah, everything,
there's a there's a uh, there's I'm trying to remember
what the what the phrase was for it?

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
There's the process.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Yeah, and there's something there's a particular it'll come of
me in a moment. But but he visited with us
to talk about that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
And and then.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
In addition to that, of course, what we do every
week is we break down the opponent and we have
one segment where we look specifically at the at the opponent.
And this was the conversation that Sark and I had
talking about tomorrow's opponent in the Red River rivalry. This
Oklahoma Sooner team you said before the season you thought
was going to be one of the better teams in
the Southeastern Conference, And so far they've lived up to

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the billing.

Speaker 11 (01:32:30):
Yeah, they really have. They played tremendous defense, you know,
and you could see I was saying this in my
press commence early in the week, but you can see,
you know, coach Venables now you're you know, year three
of doing this, year three, four, whatever it's been, but four,
year four now fourth, it's it's it's his defense. He's
got the style of players, he's got the defensive front. Uh,

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he's got the smart linebackers that get things adjusted. They
they they check defenses, they play a multitude of pressures.
They do a great job. And on the flip side,
I think coach r Buckle coming in run of the
offense has done a really nice job. Obviously, you know
Matier coming in at quarterback has been has been a
huge boost for those guys and they move they move
connect over to playing tight end. They've got some elite

(01:33:13):
receivers who are healthy now this year. So, uh, this
is a very good football team. It's gonna be a
great day for football for us and an exciting opportunity
like this is what this game is supposed to be
supposed to be. Uh, and here it is, let's go
get it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
You were asked on Monday in your press conference about
how do you prepare for the quarterback situation? Do you
prepare for Michael Hawkins, who you saw last year in
the game in Dallas? Do you prepare for John Matiers
coming off of the surgery? And you made no bones
about it, So you have to prepare for Matier, but
you're preparing for the scheme.

Speaker 11 (01:33:46):
You're preparing for both, right, Yeah. I think at the
end of the day, coach r Buckle has got a scheme.
Like you watch his stuff from this year at OU,
you watch this stuff at Washington State, like it's a
it's a scheme. Now how he utilizes the quarterbacks and
where they're used in the run game and things of
that nature. But the end of the day, he's very creative.
They use multiple tempos. They go fast, they huddle, they

(01:34:06):
speed break, they do all the things. They shift, they motion,
they tax you a lot of different ways. So you
got to prepare for the scheme, you know, and the
quarterbacks are a little different players in their own right,
So you need to be prepared for that. But at
the end of the day, that the scheme is what
you got to prepare for.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
Well, like with your ball club, they use more than
one running back, they use several different backs as well. Again,
does that fall into the category of scheme preparation there
based on you know who's carrying the football?

Speaker 11 (01:34:32):
Well, I think all these guys can go, you know,
and then I've known Jaden Ought for a long time,
recruited him out of high school. When when when he
was in California, we've known Javonte Barnes and we've gone
against him the last few years. And and Blaylock the
freshman as an elite speed guy as well. Couple with
that is the quarterback run and so it's not just
about the runner, it's the utilization of the quarterback as well.

(01:34:53):
So I think you have to know those two things.
And then formationally you got to bequeued in. You know,
where's the tight end, what are they doing? So it
all go into it all and but you but you
better be ready for the shot plays, you better be
ready for the double moves. He's gonna tax your coverages.
Uh So it all kind of ties together. It's not
just about one in particular player.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
You mentioned Coach Benables defensive alignment and schemes. What really
stands out to you about what they do defensively.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
Well, I think what they do is they do all.

Speaker 11 (01:35:19):
They do it all. It's a very aggressive style, which
has been Coach Bennables kind of calling card for years
and probably more aggressive this year than they've been in
any of the years. You know that the blitz numbers
are very high. This is a unit in the back
end that has played a lot of football for him,
Guys that we've gone against now for for two three
years now. So they're very comfortable in the back end.

(01:35:40):
It's a multitude of looks. It's it's a it's a
bunch of moving and slanting and pressures and and they're deep.
You know that this front seven, this front eight that
they have, you know, there's eight defensive linemen that are
going to play in this game. Uh, there's there's shoot
six linebackers that are gonna play in this game. And
so they got depth at the front. He's gonna fire stuff. Actually,
he's gonna put pressure on you, and you got to

(01:36:02):
do your thing to combat that pressure and you've got
to have a multitude of ways to attack it, you know,
whether it's formationally, schematically, whatever that looks like, to try
to take advantage of it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
You mentioned that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Several of the guys who've been around a while, like
our Mason Thomas, you know, guys like that, are are
just guys that have gotten better over time. They stay
at it, and you should keep working the program. Eventually
you improve a lot.

Speaker 11 (01:36:24):
Well really, you know, like Spears Jennings. You know, shoot this,
I think year four, we're going to get this guy
in the back end. You know, whether it's Gentry Williams
who's been back there a ton, you know, our Mason,
our Mason Thomas. You know Don Williams we played against
when he was at TCU now the last two years
at at Oklahoma. So these guys have been playing and
getting better. Kip Lewis is another guy who's played a

(01:36:44):
bunch of football for him. So we've been seeing these guys,
but you're seeing their growth of getting better throughout the years,
probably no different than them looking at some of our
guys over the years, get better as time goes on.
But this is a great game. It's a really good defense,
really dynamic offense. And you know, I think that goal
inevitably for us has been let's make sure we put
our best foot for Saturday. Let's make sure that we're

(01:37:06):
mentally prepared to play. We got the right mental intensity
and focus. Let's make sure that we got the right
emotion that you need to have in this game. But
not get emotional, which we always talk about in games
like this, But you got to have the right emotion
if not, If not, the emotion of the game will
overwhelm you. So we got to be dialed in mentally
and psychologically, but we got to be right physically, and

(01:37:26):
this is going to be a physical game and we
got to be ready for the war.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
That's it, Long Oortons head coach Steve Sarkisian. That's from
Long Worn Weekly from last night in talking about the
Oklahoma Centers, And obviously we'll have the full coverage of
it beginning tomorrow morning for you and it comes your way.
We'll begin at ten thirty actually with the third and
Long Worn podcast guys their preview of the matchup from ten.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Thirty to eleven thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
At eleven thirty, we begin our Longhorns game day coverage
live from the fair grounds of the State Fair of
Tech and that'll feature Mark Henry and along with Mike
Hardball Harg and also Cameron Parker. And they'll be coming
your way from the Old Mill which is not far
from Big Text, the Old Mill restaurant there is where

(01:38:16):
they'll be right out front so you can't miss it.
They'll they'll be right there. So anyway, that'll be uh
tomorrow morning. That will be at eleven thirty there from
the fairgrounds and then the network pregame at one thirty
and the kickoff is at two thirty. Okay the uh.

(01:38:38):
I finally got the answer to the UH to the question.
It's catapult. Yeah, that's that's what I was trying to
think of when I was saying that earlier. Was catapaults
there and and that's a uh and that's a big
thing uh there for a measuring athletic performance. They're wearing
that vest. Mark calls it a wortsprav Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:39:05):
it does have a catapult.

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
Yeah, it's it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
My son DJ with his soccer stuff, they used to
have to wear it to measure their speed, their time
and how many miles they ran during that time. On
the on the soccer pitch. So yeah, I was sitting
there with you. I was trying to find a word too.
I was about to text Lindsay and find out what
it was.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Yeah, yeah, so it is. It's Catapult the System and.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Tory Beckton got into a lot of great detail on
so again if you if you missed the program last night,
or even if you want to hear it again, it'll
be tonight at seven o'clock will be the reairing of
Longhorn Weekly with Coach Sark. All right, we got some
other items to get to with regard to this game.
We'll continue from bar w here on Maple Avenue. It's
twenty nine, twenty six Maple Avenue. We hope you'll come
on by Mark Henry has sampled some food here. I

(01:39:55):
have a feeling there's more that you're interested in, So.

Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
I'm saving it up for tomorrow, are you.

Speaker 5 (01:40:01):
I just want to get myself back to the room
and flip the channels, watch some football tonight and wake
up tomorrow bright eyed bush Tall.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
So you're gonna be You're gonna low key it tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:40:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:40:14):
I'm gonna drink a lot of water because I want
to stretch my stomach out.

Speaker 4 (01:40:18):
Is that how you do it? That's how. That's that's
how the competitive eaters.

Speaker 5 (01:40:22):
They get a gallon of water before they go to sleep,
and then they just wake up and pee all night,
and then they wake up the next day and they
go and eat mass quantities.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
You know what, I don't even need to drink a
gallon of water and I'm up all night anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
That's that's because of our age.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
That's age. Hearts.

Speaker 6 (01:40:40):
Didn't didn't Mark say that he was only going to
drink water today.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
He said he was going fast.

Speaker 5 (01:40:47):
He said he was going fast this ice coffee otherwise
ice cream, Mark lipsticks gonna take a whole y'all gonna
look over here, and I'm gonna be like this all right, Look,
I gotta.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Tell y'all the story today because Marcus All don't do nothing.
Oh yeah, it's happened.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
The start. So we go and do a show with
legendary Clarence Hill. Yeah he's got.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
Yeah, So we gotta go hang out with Chill today.
And Mark was asked to sign this wall. And Mark
kept looking at the wall and he was like, man, don't.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
Put me what you say, don't be putting my name
by no people.

Speaker 5 (01:41:27):
That that sut Ai. I don't want to be by
nobody that was a scrib or. I didn't want to
be below the aggie.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
You wanted to be in a prominent place.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
I want to be in a prominent place.

Speaker 5 (01:41:39):
And some Aggie athlete must have been seven feet tall
because he signed way up. I said, no, I can't
be below him, right, we gotta be even. So they
went and got a box.

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
No, it was a cooler. Yeah, So they got the
cooler and I'm a height craig. So I put my
leg up on there and I'm I'm holding on the
wall and my legs is shaking like this, like ship
like like he was Elvis.

Speaker 5 (01:42:08):
I'm like tepping up. Don't let him see it, don't
let them see And then I went to get up
and I went.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
And he.

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
Was leaning.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
He was leaning onto the wall and Jesse, Holly, who's
part of Chills, she said, man, you all right, No,
I'm not on.

Speaker 4 (01:42:25):
Jesse went over to try.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
To help him, and no, no, make that noise again.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
What you say.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
When are we talking about two feet off the ground.

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
It was, it was it was a pretty bud.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
Yeah, it was a pretty good cooler. But the impressive
part about the cooler. I got a text chill to
get the name of the cooler. But the impressive part
about it because everybody said, how you gonna get up
on that thing?

Speaker 4 (01:42:51):
Like they were worried about the cooler. Jesse was like, no,
this is the strong cooler. And it was and it was.
It was buckle nothing. It was the world's strongest cooler
in the world strongest man. See.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
So that's good to know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
All right, we have coming up from bar W Maypele
Lavina and we'll continue. I'm thirteen under the zone. Onward
we go here in the third of four hours here
at bar W. Here's one of the great things about
bar W. There's a bunch of people in here and
you know what, there's still a bunch of space. Uh,

(01:43:26):
folks can come out here, do you drive it all up?
You're listening to us on the iHeartRadio app. Hey, you
can come come straight on over here to bar W.
You'll find a place to set and there's tables inside
outside on the patio, and then upstairs. You mentioned the
gamer you did mention there's a few wearing the Crimson
and creams sitting upstairs.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
Not just a few it's been, like Mark said, we're
surrounded everywhere you go. You start to look up there,
but of course they got pool tables upstairs, they've got
video games upstairs.

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
And the area. You think this area is great, that
area is just as immaculate.

Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
Very cool. So if you're headed up this way now,
why not make mar w one of your stops here. Okay,
this Oklahoma team really is five to zero and it's
made its bones on a couple of things. Incredible defense,
and everybody, I think knew that they were going to
be good defensively, and they've been really good defensively. And
then John Matteer's play. He's native from here in the

(01:44:28):
Dallas forth, here at Little Elm.

Speaker 4 (01:44:29):
High School.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
That's up in Detton County and just in not far
north of Dallas.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
Start off at Washington State, and of course transferred in
along with ben Arbuckle coming in the offensive coordinator coming
in from Washington State, and our Buckles one of those
hot coaching names.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
He's only thirty years old. He'll be on lists.

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
Toby Rowland, the Sooners play by playboy, said Oklahoma fans
would not like to hear him make the comparison, but
it's gonna. He reminds people for young younger Lincoln Riley
and what he can do with his offense is.

Speaker 5 (01:45:06):
Our Buckle's dad is you know, has a lot of
connections in Central Texas, and it was friends with my
coach as well as.

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
Dana Leduke and guys like that. They all hung out and.

Speaker 5 (01:45:22):
Used to make a pilgrimage to Lockhart to go get barbecue.
Here you go every year. So like meeting him, and
he talks to Jacob all the time, keeps his head
on straight, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:45:34):
So I appreciate our Buccle family.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
I thought you're the one that keeps Jacob's head on.

Speaker 4 (01:45:40):
Jacob does it out of fear, but there's.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
A difference between fear and respect.

Speaker 5 (01:45:45):
He needs to have somebody out there that's like, you know,
looking out for him and so forth.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
Yeah, taking care of them. What it was leading back
to here is is John Mattier.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
He's been really, really good, and of course he's been
out since September twentieth, had that hand surgery.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
And they were talking multiple weeks at.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
First, and there was like three to four weeks and
all this kind of stuff, and everybody was doing the
math on this thing and saying, you know, he's probably
not gonna be able to play in the Texas game,
but his time rolled on. We found out what a
quick healer is. We're talking right now. I think it's
nineteen days since the surgery, and this week Brent Vennables

(01:46:30):
was playing it kind of close to the vest, but
he talked about him, saying, well, he hasn't gone good
on good yet, hadn't thrown against the number one defense.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
It's been individual drills.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
And he was listed as questionable on Wednesday, and then
that was upgraded today to probable.

Speaker 5 (01:46:45):
They fixed it, crig. They fixed the damage. Now it's
about pain and swelling. Yeah, they did everything they can
do to get that swelling down. Now, a little novacaine,
you don't need a lot. You're gonna play for two
or three hours like they'll no vacaine.

Speaker 4 (01:47:03):
His hand does.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Affect your feel on the grip of the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:47:08):
No, they're not going to touch nerve. If they did it,
they would do it on the back of the hand.
I broke my wrists and I have corporal tunnel syndrome.
When I was an Olympic weightlifter, every weightlifter they would
put novocaine or stuff and wherever your wrist was hurt.
And it's not illegal. It's not like a band supplement.

(01:47:31):
And I'm a needlephobic. I have a lot of phobias so.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
Too, so I would just you know, too here on
the end of the last fifteen minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
Oh my gosh, man, I'm weird. It's just no other
way around.

Speaker 5 (01:47:46):
Like I might be the strongest guy, but I got
a lot of weakness, and they would numb that and
then you would go.

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
You once you're able to squeeze your hand like that, you.

Speaker 5 (01:47:57):
Don't feel any tightness, You don't feel any You just
feel like you're fine until the next day or if
you bang it on something, if somebody hits that hand
by halftime, it may swell up again.

Speaker 4 (01:48:11):
Then he would have a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
Well, and that's what I was joking with Norman Watchets
about what you would you like, you know, targeting means
what it means in college football, But what I what
I meant was, would you, uh, you know, if you
knew a guy had an arm that was hurting with
you quote unquote target the armor trying to take the
arm out of commission.

Speaker 5 (01:48:30):
Yes, they're gonna every chance they get they're gonna slap
at the ball, but they're really slapping at his hand.

Speaker 4 (01:48:37):
The referee is gonna be like, hey, don't do that again.
I'm going for the ball. Yeah. Yeah, And that's just
what you gotta keep saying.

Speaker 6 (01:48:45):
The thing with Material also coming back is yeah, he's
definitely a gamer, he's a dog.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
But also it tells you how.

Speaker 6 (01:48:52):
Much confidence Oklahoma has in Michael Hawkins junior.

Speaker 4 (01:48:55):
Thank you right? Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
Yeah, thirty four to three last season. He was not
a factor in that game.

Speaker 6 (01:49:00):
And he plays against Kent State and looking at the scoreboard, yeah,
fifty to five or nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
But you watch that game.

Speaker 6 (01:49:07):
He played Okay, he didn't play right, he didn't hurt Oklahoma,
but they're playing the worst team in FBS.

Speaker 2 (01:49:12):
You wanted to see more out of it.

Speaker 6 (01:49:14):
This is I think, as much as it is about
Materier wanting to play is as Hey, we have a
better chance of beating Texas with Matier out there, even
if he's fifty percent because of his ability is he
can throw and run the football too. But Michael Hawkins throwing,
I don't think PK the Texas defense is really worried
about that. With Matier, you can be and you crackly

(01:49:34):
talked about it earlier in this hour about this is
a must win game for Texas perhaps be able to
make the College Football Playoff and reach the SEC championship.
For Oklahoma, yeah, they're five to zero, but have you
seen their schedule after this week? They have They play
five straight games against teams inside the top fifteen after
South Carolina, not just the top twenty five or top
fourteen teams in the country. Five of them are on

(01:49:57):
their schedule and the seasons is over. Oklahoma, you know
they have college football playoff aspirations, they have SEC.

Speaker 5 (01:50:05):
They won't be in the top fifteen because Vanderbilt is
gonna play Texas. I think Texas will knock them off.
A and m is gonna play them late in the season.
I think Texas will knock them off. Like Alabama and
Georgia are also teams that are gonna play other high
level SEC teams. The SEC is gonna countabilize itself for.

Speaker 6 (01:50:27):
Sure, and bar Oklahoma and Material to be able to
reach their goals, they gotta win this week because there's
probably one or two more losses looming for them.

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
Well, I'm glad you brought that up because to me,
this is why you sent him, because why are you
gonna try to rush him back to possibly.

Speaker 4 (01:50:46):
Get re injured when you know the gauntlet on what
you have. Now, I understand he's.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Ready to go, he says he's ready to go, paying
tolerance as you said, novacame him up. But the risk
reward at this particular time time is that worth it to.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
You right now? Well, here's here's the answer to that question,
or at least what I believe it is.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
I mean, you look at the remaining games at South
Carolina's underranked to play there, as Camp pointed out. Then
it's fourth ranked don't miss at home at twelfth rank
Tennessee at eighth ranked Alabama, fourteenth rank Missouri, and they
finished with eleventh ranked LSU. Both those games are at home,
all that heavy heavyweight stuff. It's still not Texas, and

(01:51:26):
they dropped two of the last three by lopsided scores,
and this game means a great deal to them. In
other words, you can say, okay, you can have the
win over Texas. You're gonna lose one of those big
games and the fine pick one. It doesn't matter as
long as we got the win over Texas.

Speaker 4 (01:51:45):
Texas and don't think these games are smart.

Speaker 5 (01:51:48):
They know, Hey, if you have to scramble running to
the left, I need you to slide and get on
the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:51:55):
If you go to the right, then you can fin
people off, which you're good hand with your left hand.

Speaker 4 (01:52:01):
So he's gonna be able to run to the right.
He just won't be able to run to the.

Speaker 5 (01:52:06):
Left because if he switches the ball and uses his
right hand to try to find people off, he putting
itself in harm's way, right, and guys are gonna they're
gonna light his rear end up if he does that.
So I'm telling him, as a quarterback, slide if you run,
get scrambled to the left.

Speaker 4 (01:52:26):
Ye. If you go to the right, then get out
of bounds, try to defend him off. Do whatever you
need to do. But it's a lot to do with this.
And I feel like that we're underestimating the.

Speaker 5 (01:52:38):
Chess game, Like the chess game has got to be played,
and Texas is so young that they don't know how
to play the chess game yet. But you give them
another six games and then maybe you're there.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
I hope.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
Yeah, we'll see what kind of classroom lessons. Long wornes
have ready for them. Tomorrow afternoon, we'll be back to
wrap up our number three of our four hour Texas
so you preview from bar WL makepe Laviny here on
thirteen under.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
The sun.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
Fill hour from bar W off of Maple Avenue. It's
the Red River Rivalry.

Speaker 6 (01:53:12):
Previews show Cameron Parker alongside Mike Hardball Harte in the
World's Strongest Man, Mark Henry Special. Thanks to Craig Way,
who has other duties tonight calling high school football for
the victory.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
Plus Network busiest men in all of Texas.

Speaker 6 (01:53:28):
Thanks to Norm Watkins and Bill Matthews for stopping by
earlier as well in Hard's First of all, we had
to thank the fine folks at bar W from making
today's show possible, but also a few more thank yous
from help helping make this entire weekend possible as well.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
Yeah, special thanks to the guys over at the Yellow Rose.

Speaker 4 (01:53:49):
Get over there.

Speaker 3 (01:53:50):
If you're not going to be able to make the
trip up here to Dallas and be a part of
the Red River Rivalry. See how slowed down to Mark
and be able to say it, you can go over
to the Yellow enjoy their steak and lobsters. They've also
got the bone in Ribbi certified angus O big you
know what I'm saying, and as big as your face exactly.

(01:54:13):
Make sure you get over there and enjoy it. So special.
Thanks for helping us get to Dallas this week.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
Is that it's working tonight. She might be, she might
but hey, you know I.

Speaker 3 (01:54:24):
Talk a lot about the steak and you know that's
what we're supposed to do. And their lunch specials on Friday.
But Mark, that's what they got. They got wings, they
got wings, they got that roll, they got that rose Burger.
The sweetest buns in Austin, Texas. Baby, those are heels buns, right.

Speaker 4 (01:54:43):
I don't know what they are, but they they real sweet,
they real sweet, and they're good. They real good, They
real real good.

Speaker 6 (01:54:50):
Well, let's give you a preview of what's to come
this weekend. So we are lined up until six pm
here at Bar Deputy. Now, when our show ends, the
party does not end. Mike hard Test to that a
great atmosphere here at barw Texas Fans rolling in Oklahoma Home.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Of fans rolling in, gonna be here all night long.

Speaker 6 (01:55:09):
So you're driving in looking for a place to camp out,
camp out, watch some football tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
I think North Texas plays to night YEP.

Speaker 6 (01:55:15):
Major League Baseball on tonight some big playoff games come
on through the bar. W Now, if you're in the area,
you're driving up tonight seven pm. We're going to replay
Longhorn Weekly with Coach Start aired last night, but it's
in the air again right here on thirteen hundred the Zone.
We're visited by coach Tory Beckton, the straint coach in

(01:55:36):
his Catapult system that you guys talked about earlier on
as well, and a guy who never missed a start
in his Texas football college career, Kwandre Diggs forty nine starts.
You know how hard that is to play your entire
college career without missing a single game.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
Forty nine of fifty two career games at the University
of Texas, he played the maximum. He started ninety nine
point nine percent of the time he was at the
University of Texas. So that is an unbelievable record.

Speaker 4 (01:56:12):
And think about this.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
We talk about the injuries, we talk about the battles,
we talk about all the things you have to go through.

Speaker 4 (01:56:18):
This dude was able to.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
Play in every game that he was eligible to be
at the University of Texas.

Speaker 4 (01:56:24):
That's durability right there.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
And what Doll coaches always talk about I gotta be
is availability, and he was part and always available.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:56:34):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (01:56:35):
That's why he's entering or now he's entered year eleven
of his NFL career with the Tennessee Titan. So that'll
be on from seven to eight pm now tomorrow. Oh yeah,
the Red River Robbery and our Action against ten thirty
am Local time, the third and Longhorn Preview podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
Those boys were fired up.

Speaker 6 (01:56:55):
An hour long programming around not even a single commercial
break because they had so much to get off chess
following the loss to Florida in previewing this game. So
check out that ten thirty DOW eleven thirty a m
US three right here. We're live from the State fair Grounds,
Longhorn's Game Day. We got a lot of fun guests
coming on. We're gonna be on the corner at Old

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Mill Ends, so stop in say what's up. We'll be
got Tommy Harris, possibly the former Oklahoma Sooner, who, by
the way, is one of very few in Oklahoma history
to start every single game as a true freshman.

Speaker 2 (01:57:30):
Speaking of being durable and being available.

Speaker 6 (01:57:33):
Tommy Harris was available during his long NFL career, Tyler McComas,
Oklahoma insider, Centri Golden from the Austin American Statesman, and
then Patrick Willis Smith and the Texas Won Fund. So
we'll be out there starting eleven thirty am.

Speaker 3 (01:57:47):
Or Wills might be off the rails. Wills might be
off the rails at that time, did you think so?
Oh my goodness, Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:57:53):
He was wild last year exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:57:56):
And they had that big golf tournament that they played
in yesterday. You know, they're part of Texas One Fund,
so they're doing a lot of entertaining today and of
course tomorrow morning, so I can't wait for those conversations.

Speaker 6 (01:58:08):
We're also gonna get a hard ball's key, so the
game mark, Henry's Hype Train, a special Cotton Bowl edition,
all that and more, and we'll actually gonna visit with
Craigway and Roger Wallace in the booth as well during
our pre game shows. That's eleven thirty am right here
on Am, thirteen hundred to zone, then one thirty pm.
Texas Ou. I think it's the ninety sixth edition of

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the Red Written. Actually, I think it's more than that
ninety six. Nice that they've been played at the at
the at Fair Park, Texas holds a sixty four fifty
one to five series leave hopefully get win number sixty five.
But Craigway, Roger Wallas, Will Matthew's on the call. That'll
be on ninety eight one Kvett also thirteen hundred and
as well on Austin's eighty station one O three one

(01:58:52):
FM and then postgame following network postgame.

Speaker 2 (01:58:55):
The Third and Longhorn guys will go live.

Speaker 6 (01:58:58):
You can also stream that on our Twitter page, our
Facebook in her YouTube as well. Nick Shuley and the
Third and Longhorn crew. It's going to be a lot
of fun. Now, as the kids say, it's gonna be lit.
Don't say that, Okay, I guess you're not a kid.
Oh that's true, that's true. What about the riz?

Speaker 4 (01:59:17):
I can't say that. That's one of them new kid words. Okay,
all right, but you can't.

Speaker 3 (01:59:21):
Kim is uh Cam you pass it to Camm.

Speaker 4 (01:59:26):
Too old? Now, you used to be a young you know,
young lad. You could say all of trendy words. No, no,
ma can't.

Speaker 3 (01:59:34):
You can still wear them trendy shorts. Hey, like goodness,
gracious man, you see I thought I signed a rap that's.

Speaker 4 (01:59:43):
A nineteen seventy five quarter. He got a quarter. We
love you Love you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
I'm sorry, don't have chicken legs sorright my bad?

Speaker 4 (01:59:55):
Hey, Hey, Cam been squating and doing lungeons and he
wanted to show her he.

Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
Did your fifty.

Speaker 3 (02:00:01):
Yeah, the Mark Henry three hundred. Can I tell a
quick story about the mark head? So our good friend
Chip Brown, who used to be right here with me
on the show. He Kip is one of those guys
that I'm gonna do it for the content, right, but
he also Chips in good shape. But I think doing

(02:00:25):
the Mark Henry three hundred is why he walked with
a limp now because he lost the bet. He lost
the bet and he had to come in. He lost
the bet to our guys Sean Adams. May he rest
in peace. This was a big weekend for Shawn all
the time. But he lost the bet and he had
to do the Mark Henry three hundred.

Speaker 4 (02:00:45):
In under twenty five minutes.

Speaker 3 (02:00:47):
During commercial breaks. During commercial breaks, so he would come
in do the segment and then they would go right
back to doing the Mark Henry three hundred, Chip almost died.

Speaker 4 (02:00:59):
He died during the mark Henry three hundred.

Speaker 2 (02:01:03):
Would you actually do it?

Speaker 4 (02:01:04):
No, I did not just tell you somebody almost died.
I can't your heart, heart.

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
Your baseball card. Listen.

Speaker 4 (02:01:16):
I am an athlete.

Speaker 2 (02:01:18):
I am yes in my mind.

Speaker 3 (02:01:22):
You know you know how when they tell you you
can do it in an hour, man, I'm I'm not
doing it.

Speaker 4 (02:01:28):
How many times do I gotta tell you?

Speaker 3 (02:01:30):
Bro?

Speaker 4 (02:01:30):
It's for your health. I want you to I want
to get my super beats.

Speaker 3 (02:01:34):
If I continue to take my super beats, I will
do it right before I continue to take them.

Speaker 5 (02:01:39):
Like Martin Lawrence and Eddie Murphy in life. I want
us to be like Clyde and Earl Well. I'm telling
you in that eighties you know, like you know, talk
to you right to the upper.

Speaker 3 (02:01:53):
Room, Nonna, We're gonna be standing on the box together.

Speaker 4 (02:01:58):
I saw you stand on that box day. It was
not going to take both of us.

Speaker 6 (02:02:04):
Hey, it's almost time for Texas, Oklahoma. We just got
your keys to tomorrow's game. We'll save all of Hardball's
keys of the game. Yep, we'll save the predictions for
our pregame show tomorrow but last five years of this contest,
the favorite has won born one against the spread. Now

(02:02:24):
Texas opened this week as the favorite three and a
half points. The John Mattier News has really shifted this
Now Oklahoma's favored by a point and a half, and
now it kind of feels like Texas has become the
underdog in this rivalry.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
Harge, you know, I think it was the last eighteen years.

Speaker 6 (02:02:43):
Nine to nine was the stat Does being an underdog
favor one team or the other in this environment when
it is a neutral site game.

Speaker 3 (02:02:53):
The only time it will will do that either way
is when a team is undeniably batter better than the other.

Speaker 5 (02:03:01):
When you look at it, disrespected that you would list
them that as less.

Speaker 3 (02:03:06):
Than right right, And I believe at this particular time
you look at the news and you said it it
opened up as a three and a half point favorite.

Speaker 4 (02:03:17):
As the University of Texas.

Speaker 3 (02:03:19):
Is that Vegas trying to play games with people, because
if you looked at that performance on Saturday, there was
nothing that told you that this Texas football team going
to be at that.

Speaker 4 (02:03:31):
But there's something that they know.

Speaker 3 (02:03:34):
There's something to your point about the schedule and looking
at what they had coming into it. When I say
looking at the schedule, I'm talking about looking at Oklahoma
who they played. They beat a good Michigan football team.
They beat a good Michigan football team. So I'm not
looking at this team and believing that, oh, yeah, this

(02:03:54):
is just gonna be one of those games where Texas
gonna be Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:03:57):
They're they're undoubtedly the best.

Speaker 5 (02:04:00):
And there's reasons why that that's gonna happen. And you
and I talked about this in the break. We both
talked about like three or four reasons why it's gonna
have There's gonna be trouble for material handling the ball,
and he's gonna have to take shotgun snaps because normally,

(02:04:22):
when you play quarterback and your right hand quarterback, your
top hand is up underneath the butt yep, and then
the lower hand is beneath which you can.

Speaker 4 (02:04:34):
Slap the ball in there.

Speaker 5 (02:04:36):
You don't want him slapping the ball in there, so
he's gonna have to turn his hand so the ball
to slap his left hand and use his right hand
to catch, which is already a problem because it's not
a usual it's not a normal thing. Secondly, the point
that Hart's brought up was the slide. Whenever you slide

(02:05:00):
to your going to the right, you slide, you put
your left leg down and your left hand hiss the ground.
If he ever scrambles to his left, what hand is
going to hit the ground? His right so you you
cannot go to your left. The other thing that's running

(02:05:20):
to the left is when you switch the ball to
your left hand. When you run left, what hand do
you find people off with your right hand? So you
eliminate half the field already. If you're a smart coach,
which they have smart coaches at Oklahoma, they're not gonna
let him scramble or run to his left. There's too

(02:05:43):
much of a chance that he get injured. And you
don't want that, not for the winning that game, but
for the rest of the season. So that which is
which is what hardest point was why do you take
the risk?

Speaker 4 (02:05:59):
Why do you take the risk?

Speaker 5 (02:06:00):
So if I'm Texas, I'm rushing hard, very hard from
the right. All my bliintzes, all my stunts are gonna
be geared towards going to the left of my defense
to take away the strong side and force them to
go the direction that I would have them go, which is.

Speaker 4 (02:06:24):
The key to the game. You know, we did the
key to the game. I didn't get to do the
key to the game because I walked up here late,
but I wanted to get it in because that is
the key to the game. Could play chess.

Speaker 5 (02:06:42):
Do not allow a team to beat you because they
were more prepared than you, or you let them off
the hook. Remember Denny Green, we let them off the hook.
We know exactly who they were, and we let them
off the hook. If Texas goes out there and lets
them off the hook real football people that know football,

(02:07:04):
it's gonna be an indictment against Texas coaching.

Speaker 4 (02:07:07):
So I suggest they make sure that they get all
their depths.

Speaker 2 (02:07:11):
In a row.

Speaker 4 (02:07:11):
We need a break.

Speaker 6 (02:07:12):
I'll come back runner to this conversation diving in. It's
the one hundred and twenty first meeting between Texas and
Oklahoma at the Cotton Bowl tomorrow two thirty pm. Kickoff.
One side Red, the other side burnt Orange. We're lying
from bar w off of Maple Avenue up until six pm.
Come up and say hi to the game here as

(02:07:34):
we continue after this hour of our special read, we
took our Rivalry previews show Kevin Parker alongside my cardball
hards and Mark Henry.

Speaker 2 (02:07:45):
I can't take you guys anyway.

Speaker 3 (02:07:48):
Well, the thing about it is you start looking around
and you're seeing all the Texas fans and they get
in fireball shots.

Speaker 4 (02:07:54):
So they got the party.

Speaker 3 (02:07:55):
Well, they're taking their shots, they're having a good time.
But the other part of it is when you get
a when you get a guy like Norman Watkins, and
you can see you can see the intensity in what.

Speaker 4 (02:08:06):
He's talking about at all times.

Speaker 3 (02:08:09):
Norm you you said it earlier when you were talking
to him, you said, look at his face like he
lit up because he was ready to go and attack somebody.

Speaker 5 (02:08:18):
He wanted to he wanted to inflict paint. He was like, oh,
you don't want to ask me that question, right, He
was waiting for that question. And that's how you start
to look around. And that's what this game brings you.

Speaker 3 (02:08:30):
This game brings out the intensity in every single person
that has ever walked.

Speaker 4 (02:08:37):
Out of that tunnel. You asked you asked uh Will
about it? Will walking out of that tunnel, and.

Speaker 3 (02:08:43):
His nickname was Headache because he was coming to blow
you up in the hole. If you were trying to
go tackle Cedric Benson. This game brings out the animal
in every single person. You was listening to the interview
that we have with Nathan Va and Tommy Harris told
us they is the most quietest dude, but when this

(02:09:06):
game is about to happen, he has an out of
body experience.

Speaker 4 (02:09:10):
And everybody has an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (02:09:13):
If you put on a uniform tomorrow, whether you're for
Oklahoma or you're for the University of Texas, you have
a chance to make a name for yourself forever.

Speaker 5 (02:09:24):
And it's gonna be somebody that you don't particularly think
is gonna be that guy.

Speaker 4 (02:09:31):
It's gonna be that extrovert guy.

Speaker 5 (02:09:33):
It's gonna be the guy that's like, no, I'm they
gonna remember me, right, and they go out there and
they do it like it's it might not be the
stars right, Like I'm I'm really thinking, and.

Speaker 4 (02:09:45):
It's I told you this yesterday, Harte.

Speaker 5 (02:09:48):
I think that Jack Injuries is gonna have a day
because it's.

Speaker 4 (02:09:55):
All laid out for him to have one. Archers missed
him like.

Speaker 5 (02:10:00):
In four times, and now I'm sure they go, look,
we need the consistency, like let's get the easy.

Speaker 4 (02:10:07):
Throw and build towards that No doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 5 (02:10:11):
If you keep taking deep shins or you trying to
run the ball and the running game is not working,
you're spinning your wheels.

Speaker 4 (02:10:18):
Right, take what the defense gives you. And I think
injuries is that guy?

Speaker 6 (02:10:23):
And you mentioned Norm's eyes lighting up and Will talking
about the game. How many opponents if you ask them, hey,
what was your record against Iowa State?

Speaker 2 (02:10:32):
What was your record against?

Speaker 4 (02:10:33):
Remember?

Speaker 6 (02:10:34):
Remember but Oklahoma they do well Matthews, he said, oh
to five man, that to me? Do you think he
thinks about that? I mean, we love Will and not
to rub it in, but he probably he probably was.

Speaker 2 (02:10:44):
He didn't want to hear anything.

Speaker 6 (02:10:45):
Could be back on the football field and play Oklahoma
one more time.

Speaker 3 (02:10:50):
Against six years, come back out there and get another
opportunity to get.

Speaker 2 (02:10:53):
To the NCAA, and they come back for your number seven.

Speaker 6 (02:10:56):
But the point is, I mean, what other events are
there for Texas football players and Oklahoma players to where
their career.

Speaker 2 (02:11:05):
Will be almost defined by this game in the record,
like Peter Gardier.

Speaker 3 (02:11:10):
Peter Gardier is the one that you know that he
became Peter the Great because he's beat.

Speaker 4 (02:11:14):
Oklahoma four straight times.

Speaker 3 (02:11:17):
You know, you start looking at that you talk about
some of the quarterbacks in the past, the Vince Youngs, the.

Speaker 4 (02:11:22):
Cool McCoy's, those moments. Then you look at the other
side for a Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 3 (02:11:27):
And Landry Jones and Sam Bradford, those guys that have
those moments. But then you come back and you get
a case McCoy type of game where he's just on fire,
and then you're like respect. You know, that changed the
way people viewed him as the quarterback.

Speaker 5 (02:11:46):
There's nothing that you can do after you get done
playing that's gonna eatu at.

Speaker 4 (02:11:52):
Yes, that's the pinnacle. I mean, it's not like the
Wyan Biel.

Speaker 5 (02:11:57):
Where they put all these Texas basketball players together and
they go play other teams that of guys that they
played against. There's nothing like that in football, the TPT,
the tv T. You're done, when you're done at University
of Texas playing Oklahoma, it's it yep and and and

(02:12:18):
you don't want to go your career and be in
the situation that Will.

Speaker 4 (02:12:23):
Was in where you never got to win one of
those games.

Speaker 5 (02:12:27):
Like even if you had a singular individual good game,
you don't win the game.

Speaker 4 (02:12:35):
Well, what what's the what's the joy in it?

Speaker 2 (02:12:37):
Every player wants to have that one picture of them
in the locker room celebrating with the had and the
golden hat.

Speaker 6 (02:12:43):
On the other Hey, we need a break here real quick,
but we are alive from bar W off of Maple
Avenue in Uptown Dallas.

Speaker 4 (02:12:50):
Come out.

Speaker 6 (02:12:51):
We're here until six, but the party will continue after that.
It is a special Red River Robbery preview show. Cameron Parker,
Mike Hardball, Hars, the World Strongest Man Mark Henry.

Speaker 2 (02:13:03):
It'll continue after this some.

Speaker 6 (02:13:06):
Hour from bar W off of Maple Avenue here and
Uptown Dallas. Cameron Parker alongside Mike Hardball, Hars and the
world Strongest Man Mark Henry. A few quick injury updates
for you guys. Of course, we'll get you the final
update from the SEC Student Athlete availability report tomorrow during

(02:13:27):
Longhornon's Game Day live from the State fair Grounds. We're
going to be on the corner of Old Mill in
eleven thirty am to one thirty pm. The three of
us will be out there a lot of fun special
guests and insiders.

Speaker 4 (02:13:38):
But the big news.

Speaker 6 (02:13:40):
John Matteer, probable the Heisman hopeful and quarterback for the
Sooners who came over from Wazoo State, who helped lead
Oklahoma to a four and zero record before undergoing surgery
on a broken thumb and is throwing hand after their
win over Auburn.

Speaker 2 (02:13:59):
Initially was hey, he'll be out for a month.

Speaker 6 (02:14:01):
Guys, Well we'll be less than that because when he
comes back tomorrow, if he does play, it'll be I
believe about nineteen twenty days since that surgery. So he
has been listed as probable. On the Texas side, bad
news is j Baxter listed as doubtful, But probable is
Malik Muhammad, who of course did not play against Florida.

(02:14:22):
He would have been helpful against Dallas Wolston, that big
Florida wide out, and also Parker Livingston, who I still
don't know how his knee is connected to his body
after the hit he took on that contested catch in
the first half against Florida. I mean, this kid has
made play after play after play. But good news for
Texas Many Muhammad likely back and then Parker Livingston as well.

Speaker 3 (02:14:47):
Yeah, it's big for the Texas Longhorns to have those
guys there. Many Muhammad, We've obviously talked about how important
his role is for this Texas football team don't know
what you're missing until you're actually missing it, and that's
what we saw last week with Manny Muhammad Vianau. But

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for the Oklahoma Sooners, the big news and the jolt
of energy that has been given to them by John
Mattier being upgraded in his injury status is something that
a lot of Oklahoma Sooner fans were hoping would happen,
and then all of a sudden, now it is there.
So the conversations keep getting better for the.

Speaker 6 (02:15:29):
Oklahoma fans and we'll just see how healthy he is tomorrow.
I'm curious how Texas the science to defend Mattier in Oklahoma.
I thought against Florida, PK and the defense was pretty
relaxed and just letting Lagway kind of get into rhythm,
get comfortable with short to intermediate froze and then by

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the time they were able to be a little bit
more aggressive, Florida was already running the ball seven yards
per carry. So on the flip side, how aggressive will
we see PK and the defense will be Because I
think tomorrow, guys, for Texas to win this game, a
lot will be talked about with Arch Manning and the offense,
the defense needs to make some plays right. The defense

(02:16:11):
didn't really come alive until a second half against.

Speaker 2 (02:16:14):
Florida, and tomorrow we talked about it.

Speaker 6 (02:16:17):
Turnovers play such a big key in this robbery, in
this atmosphere, the defense needs to come up and Hey,
that kind of starts with a pass rush and Texas
only had six hurries against Florida. The Gators had six sacks.
Texas only had six surreys. So it starts defensive line.
Can they get after Matier? Can they put Oklahoma into

(02:16:38):
predictable passing downs and then take advantage?

Speaker 5 (02:16:40):
Well, if they put Matier out there, I would drop
my linebacker, drop all everybody in my secondary, and I
would send everybody. He's gonna have to make a quick
decision or run the ball every time. I'm trying to
take him out of the game. It's not a disrespect thing.

(02:17:03):
It's not a oh, I'm going after him. No, but
I'm going after him. I'm gonna force him to do
what I want him to do, not what he wants
to do or what they think that it's gonna be
palatable for him to do.

Speaker 4 (02:17:15):
He's gonna be limited.

Speaker 2 (02:17:17):
And let's see that thumb feels right. You know, if you.

Speaker 6 (02:17:20):
Make him throw the football hards, you know, yeah, six
touchdown passes.

Speaker 2 (02:17:24):
He's also throwing three.

Speaker 4 (02:17:25):
Interceptions, right that first one might come out like a duck.

Speaker 6 (02:17:27):
There's a couple of times where you know he's prone
to one or two bad throws.

Speaker 2 (02:17:32):
Against Michigan, he threw one pick. It could have been
three or four.

Speaker 6 (02:17:34):
So tomorrow, if he's having trouble throwing the football and
all of a sudden he's facing third and long, then
that sets up for the Texas defense maybe being able
to take advantage and get an early interception and take away.

Speaker 2 (02:17:46):
Materis confidence.

Speaker 3 (02:17:47):
Well, here's the thing, and you mentioned this to when
we were talking during the break cam. You talked about.

Speaker 4 (02:17:53):
Would they put him out there if he wasn't healthy.

Speaker 3 (02:17:56):
Right, like, if they didn't see something for him that
showed them, Hey, this guy gives us our best chance
to win. I don't believe that they will put him
out there so understanding that this is a guy that
is now in a position to be back at the quarterback,
be the starting quarterback for Oklahoma. I don't think Venables

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or the Oklahoma staff, training staff more importantly, and even
John Mattiars saying, I can't go regardless of how important
this game is. For all the reasons we've talked about,
the reality of it all is this guy has shown
enough in practice, good on good that he is ready

(02:18:40):
to play quarterback for Oklahoma.

Speaker 6 (02:18:42):
And I can't see Oklahoma putting him out there. There
is a chance of a possible damaging reinjury. I'm sure
it might hurt him stuff, but looking at the back
half of their schedule, if hey, there's a chance to
getst re injured again, he's out for the year.

Speaker 2 (02:18:57):
I don't think they risk that, even though.

Speaker 6 (02:18:59):
It is Texas can considering they finished the season against
five teams who are currently ranked inside the top fifteen
in the country, number four of them as number twelve,
Tennessee number eight, Alabama number fourteen, Missouri in number eleven
l SU. I have one more question for you, guys,
but we'll get to it next because we need a break,

(02:19:19):
and then we're gonna wrap up from bar W off
Maple Avenue again. If you're just coming into town looking
for a place to hang out, get a couple of
pregame drinks, watch the football, watch the baseball playoffs, bar
W is the place to come to. We'll be back
to wrap up today's special Red River Rivalry preview show.

Speaker 4 (02:19:39):
After this