October 17, 2025 • 27 mins
CJ Vogel from On Texas Football joins Jake Herman to share his takeaways from the Red River Rivalry and preview tomorrow's road test against Kentucky.
Plus, they discuss the crowded landscape across the SEC, big coaching changes in the Big Ten, and several other marquee matchups from around the country!
Plus, they discuss the crowded landscape across the SEC, big coaching changes in the Big Ten, and several other marquee matchups from around the country!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
A little bit of Tyler Childers on the way back,
another one of the several great musicians from the Bluegrass
State we'll hear from on today's edition of the program.
As the Longhorns prepare to travel the Lexington take on Kentucky,
want to welcome in one of my former classmates and
now one of my trusted sources on all things Texas football.
That is CJ Vogel from on Texas Football.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And CJ, I know you.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I know you're not traveling to Lexington this weekend, but
you were at the State Fair Street Fight a week ago,
and I just wanted to know not that we've had
a week to sort of set back and let the
dust settle. I mean, what's your big takeaway from a
win like that?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Absolutely, Jake, thanks for having me on. Good to see
manning the ship this Friday afternoon. But you know, I
think the Texas defense woke up. I think that this
was kind of what we anticipated this Texas defense being
coming into twenty twenty five. And you know what that
is is a stout run defense, a pass rush that
will make life health quarterback, and a secondary that will
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take advantage of errant passes and really turn the.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Tides very quickly.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
And I thought they did exactly that in all three phases,
and that was again to be expected.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Now can they be can they duplicate that?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Can they find ways to put that similar product on
the field week in and week out? And this is
a big opportunity for them to do exactly that going
on the road to Kentucky. Look, you say two things travel,
one your run game to your defense. Well, the Texas
defense did not travel to Gainesville two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Let's see if they show up Saturday evening.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, that was exactly what I was about to ask,
because I know Lexington is, as far as SEC games go,
not the most intimidating environment. In fact that you know,
talking to Craig, he expects a pretty big contingent of
burn orange in the crowd tomorrow night at Kroger Field.
But for a Texas team that has just struggled mightily
in these road environments, albeit a small sample size to
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start the year, what are the biggest things that you
hope they prove to you this week?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
I think it starts with arch Manning, right, you know,
going on the road to the Horseship, you didn't play well.
It took really about three and a half four quarters
before anything offensively against Florida was able to generate. And
now you're looking at back to back road games, and
again you mentioned at Kentucky, maybe not the most intimidating Startville,
maybe not the most intimidating, but you're in the SEC
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and you're gonna be under the lights on Saturday. You
have to bring it from the jump and going back
to the defense. If you get out to a quick lead,
that plays right into the you know, the heart of
the strength of your defense.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
But for Arch, for me, it's about playing with that confidence.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
And I thought Sark evolved as a head coach on
Saturday against Oklahoma. I thought you saw him really start
to adjust and adapt to what his team strengths were
and really find ways to mask some of the weaknesses.
Right against Floridas, throw it deep every single play, try
to hit a jackpot and overcome a fourteen point deficit
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on every single play in that fourth quarter. We didn't
really see any deep shots against Oklahoma. It was more methodical.
They relied on the run game, which showed some sort
of life for the first time in a while this year.
Now against the Kentucky front, which you should have success.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
What does start to do with this tendency?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Does he revert back to the team that throws it
down the field at every opportunity or is there a
middle ground?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
That's what I'm hoping to see.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
But it all starts with Arch and how he kind
of composes himself on this road territory.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, it felt like they had a different plan.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
For sure, get the ball out quick and get Arch
into a rhythm without necessarily pushing it downfield.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
But then you know, there was so much conversation this.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Week in all of the press conferences, media availabilities we
get with the Texas players about the magic that happened
on those off script plays. I mean, is that a
formula you think that they can find going forward with
Arch extending those plays now that he seems to have
this kind of chemistry brewing in those improv scenarios.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah, it feels to me like it's a benefit of
the product that you've created. And then that is the
quick throws and obviously keeping these guys near the line
of scrimmage. But also for Arch, like we've talked about it,
he's a heck of an athlete. He can make throws
that many quarterbacks in the country cannot. We just haven't
necessarily seen them consistently this year, And nor do I
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think he was willing early on when the confidence wasn't high,
to test himself.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Right, We've talked about it.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
When you're a quarterback in practice, you try to make
every single throw to test your ability.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You have the coaches in your ear saying throw it.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I don't care the coverage to know whether or not
that is a feasible option. On Saturdays, well, Arc started
to play outside of what I think his own limitations
were for himself. You know, he didn't test those you
know throwbacks, you know, throwing across your bodies while rolling left.
He didn't test those type of throws earlier in the year.
Only when he started to find some confidence in a
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rhythm was he Okay, I've done this my whole life.
Now let's see if I can do it against in Oklahoma.
And if that's how the snowball is going to get
going down the hill, well I think we're going to
start seeing some nuttier throws from Arch moving forward.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, speaking of throws that maybe you don't see every day,
John Mattier did not look anything like himself in that
Oklahoma game. And now that you've had time to maybe
go back and review the tape, how much of that
was a product of Texas's defense versus maybe Matier just
rushing back or not having his usual day.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah, I didn't think Mattier played great. I don't think
it necessarily chopped up to his hand. In fact, I
thought his eyes were the worst part of his quarterback
game against Texas. They had opportunities for wide receivers to
get free down the field, and the eyes just weren't
in the right place.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Now, I don't know if that's for a second third read.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I don't know if that was just what he was
asked to do on a given game, on a given play,
But when you have guys streaking down the field, you'd
think it would be, you know, pretty opportune to hit
those guys, and Matier just did not now those decisions. Obviously,
the interception before halftime, the tips of all they ended
up in the lap of Grayson Littleton as well. You're
late on both throws. That again has nothing to do
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with the hand, but more the mental side of playing quarterback.
And if Oklahoma's not careful, and this is where not
having a run game comes.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
In to play.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
If your quarterback's confidence starts sinking down quickly and you
start playing tough defense after tough defense with no sign
of really any improvement at all, your quarterback can sink
just as quickly as the Titanic here and for Oklahoma,
I know that defense is talented, but right now they
have nothing outside of John Mattier. If he goes, that
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team is looking at seven and five one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Well, And it's easy to see any scenario for teams
in the SEC, which which just looks so dense in
sort of the upper middle class right now. I've seen
some power rankings always do kind of a weekly sweep
of this and ask Cam about it before the Florida game.
You know, some teams, some sites have Texas all the
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way up up at three in the SEC after a
win like that on Saturday, and some maybe not as
convinced that Texas down at eighth, ninth, or tenth. Where
do you feel like the Longhorns are right now in
context with the rest of the conference And you know
which which big overreaction nine and three is closer to correct?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, no, right now I lean closer towards nine.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And I say that as someone who still believes that
this team very much has a chance to make the
college football playoffs.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
It just so happens that when you lose two games.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Early in the year, you have no option but to
put them closer to the bottom half of the conference.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Right now, the conference will eat itself.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
It's one of those things where there are a lot
of dogs chomping that the bit to get their own,
you know, half of kibble, and they're gonna fight each other,
right you know, this weekend.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Especially, I think it's a tremendous slate.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
And afterward, when the dust settles, you're gonna see multiple
teams with two losses, multiple teams with two losses that
had aspirations to go play in Atlanta for an SEC
championship with two losses in conference plays. So right now,
I think it out well for Texas to just kind
of bide their time to take it week by week.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And three weeks from.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Now, when they get on the plane and go to Athens,
you're looking around saying, Okay, they're seven and two, They're
right in the thick of things.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Now let's evaluate where they are in these power rankings.
So Yeah, I lean a little bit.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Closer towards the middle, maybe bottom half of those power rankings,
but I can't quite say that I'm sold on many
of the teams at the top, and I'm looking at Texas,
A and M specifically.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Well, we'll get to that, and I want to talk
about the rest of the SEC in just a little bit.
But just like the Longhorns are probably saying internally, you
have to take a lot of caution against looking ahead.
And for a Texas team that is coming into Kentucky
with a lot of confidence, what key aspects have to
work well on defense Saturday night to be able to
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replicate that performance from Saturday.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, they got to tackle.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Well, I know this is a cliche, you got to
do it every weekend, but Kentucky specifically, they'd love to
run the ball and seth mcgawan. Coming out of a
skip of Tea by way of Oklahoma, I went to
New Mexico, juco in there as well. He's been around
now finally making what we thought he would be the
headway or the headlines we thought he would make coming
out of high school at Kentucky six and fifteen pounds.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Dante Dowdell their number two six, two hundred and thirty.
Those are big backs.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Those are guys that can you know, break arm tackles,
run effectively, move the pile in scrums. Texas saw that
with Jaydon Baugh, and what Texas didn't do a great
job of early in that game was forcing Kentucky or
Florida in that game uh to throw the throw the
football very often.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Right, They stayed ahead of the chains. They did not
allow for throwing lanes to occur. Right.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
They basically said, Hey, we got a great pass rush,
It's too bad we can't use it. And if I'm Kentucky,
I'm looking at it saying we got to get any
way possible into third and three, third and four, third
and five, because then the whole playbook is open, and
then we don't have Cautter Boldi necessarily dictating how successful
we are on a given down or series. That's what
I'm looking for. Texas has to tackle Seth McGowan right now.
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Twenty one misstackles forced by Pro Football Focus. That's the
fourth most of anybody in the SEC. And he's played
a game less, so he's got quite a track record
right now. It's got to be a lot of white
hats to the football, and I think again, they're playing
with confidence.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
They should be able to fly around and do exactly that.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Now, the turnover on the offensive line and the changes
that have happened there, I mean, I don't think any
of us talked about it enough before the seasons. It
might even be a future lesson for teams who are
trying to figure out who a preseason number one is.
But the Texas O line, right, you were there Saturday.
Finally look the part. Now they lose Cole Hudson. Now
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Connor stro is going to be on the shelf as well,
a couple of surprise little additions to the injury report.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
How big of a concern is this in your eyes?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, it's interesting because you mentioned you know, when you
replace a lot on the offensive line, it's probably best
case to sit there and approach it with caution. And
yet I see what Texas was able to do against
that Oklahoma front at times. Right, it wasn't the most
perfect game running the football, But moving forward, I feel
like they found what their identity is and it's the
outside zone. And I do think centers are important, don't
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get me wrong, But in that outside zone scheme, it's
really your tight injure tackles and your guards getting laterally
moving across the line of scrimmage. And that, to me
doesn't necessarily put a lot of pause into why I
think this offensive line will continue to grow. Connor Robertson
stepping in. This is a fourth year guy. He's played
in the Cotton Bowl, He's played against Oklahoma. He's seen
some moments, not many, but he's been in some key
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situations where he's had to play some very high level football.
He's a smart kid. He knows the calls, he knows
the systems. Oh and he also worked the last two
years with arch Manning hand in hand on that second
team unit. So I do think that offensive line will
continue to move forward. It obviously won't reach its ceiling
with Cole Hudson on the shelf, but for this weekend
and potentially next weekend agains Mississippi State, I do think
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the offensive line without Hudson will be just fine.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
We're going to look ahead a little bit and zoom out,
but first we got to fit a commercial break in here.
This is sports Radio AM thirteen hundred to zone CJ
Vogel Von Texas Football is going to hang out with
us and rejoin us on the other side. Like we said,
it's a great slate of college football this weekend. And
you know, it's one of those slates CJ where it's
almost a good weekend to not be traveling because you
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can catch all the other action from around the country.
But there's a couple of SEC games I want to
get to. First, Texas A and M taking on Arkansas
at two thirty, a chance to learn a little bit
more about the unbeaten Aggies who rank fourth in the country,
and judging by one of your tweets earlier, I think
you see this one as being pretty high scoring.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Look, I'm not really a believer in Marcel Reid, but
I am a believer in Casey Concepcion and Mario Krager.
I think the two of them are the most dynamic
electric wide receiver duo. I think it's the most dynamic
duo in the entire country. The two of them are special,
and you get the ball in their hands, it doesn't
have to take a lot to get it to do so,
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and just let them work. They're fantastic. So on top
of that, look, Bobby Petrina and we know what they
like to do. They like to score points. Taylor Green
is an efficient quarterback. They've put up some points this year.
But the last time I saw Arkansas and has position
just like this, you know about a touchdown or two
underdogs at home, Notre Dame drops sixty on them. So
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we'll see if this game is a little bit closer
all together. If it is a close game, we do
know one thing certain, and that's Arkansas finds ways every
single weekend to lose in the most excruciating, heartbreaking fashion,
and they'll always wane up each other.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Well.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Look, I mean we could go up and down the
slate and look at different SEC matchups that if we
had time. But look, I think the perception of the
SEC right now is an interesting one. You have a
pretty consensus view that this is the deepest conference in
the country this season, certainly among the power for but
some people find that it that it lacks a clear
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team or even a group of teams separating towards the top,
maybe going from conference contenders to title contenders. Does this
line up with the way you've seen things through seven weeks.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, absolutely, the SEC is deep, sure, but I don't
think the top five teams in the country hail from
the SEC.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I don't. I think everybody's flawed.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I think that the playing field is as level as
we've ever seen in the SEC, and you know, especially
since Texas has been a member of the conference. But look,
Ohio State better, Miami, better than anybody in the SEC.
I think right now Indiana's playing better football than anybody
in the SEC. Texas Tech. That's crazy to hear me say,
But regardless of who's that quarterback, that is a great
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team right now with the best pass rush of anybody
in the in the country at the moment. So there's
four you can make an argument, and I'd listened to it.
I probably wouldn't buy it about Texas, A and M.
And in fact, I think the best team in the
SEC at the moment is Alabama, and when they really
get going, I think they have the best quarterback in
the conference. But I just don't buy it. Right LSU
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Tennessee very flawed. I don't yet buy the physicality and
the toughness of an Ole miss to think that they're
going to be long term SEC or national championship contending teams.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So we'll see.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
And then Georgia, of course the big bad dogs down
in Athens. It's hard to look at them this year
and say that this is a Georgia team that we've
seen over their dynastic run. I just don't believe it.
But you can't count them out. So it's really interesting.
And again, the tips are going to fall pretty quickly
here over the next few weeks in SEC play. But
I think there's a bit of a gap from the
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best teams in the country and the best team that
is in the SEC.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You know, Ole Miss is number five in the country.
They're going to Athens, like you hinto that. If you're
a longhorned fan right now, what are you watching for
potentially rooting for in that game, knowing that Texas will
dodge Old Miss but go to Athens in a few weeks.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, I think you're rooting for Ole Miss.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
You know, give Georgia another loss, knock them out of
SEC title contention. You know they've already lost to Alabama.
You don't want Georgia at any point to show up
again in the postseason. So if Texas can then walk
into Athens and theoretically in their season with the win,
perhaps well, hey, then you don't have to face them
in the playoff again, and I do think Texas can
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give Georgia a battle right now. But again, I think
there's just something about the Kirby Smart Steve Sarkisian back
and forth that gives me pause. We obviously saw it
the last year with two straight wins going to the
hands of the dogs. If I don't have to play
Georgia and I'm Texas, I'm taking that path.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Ten times out of ten. I don't care. If they're up,
they're down, there, left, they're right.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
I think you're rooting for ole Miss if you're a
Texas fan, because that's a team right now that I
just again I question their physicality in the long term.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I know Trinidad Chamberliss has played well this year.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
There's a reason that he was coming from a D
two school, and there's a reason why others are recruiting
four and five stars across country.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Another consequence of the super sized SEC, just like you
see it in the Big Ten, Texas will not see Tennessee,
Texas will not see Alabama volunteers have one conference loss,
Crimson Tide have a non conference loss that's not agent
so well against Florida State. These are two kind of
teams on the fringe of that CFP bubble. What do
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you expect from that third Saturday in October cigar game?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Yeah, it's gonna be exciting. You know this This is
one that I've I've had circled for quite some time.
I like the way that it shakes out too. Right,
You go from Texas ou as an SEC fan or
someone that falls the SEC straight into Tennessee, Alabama.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
This is great? Did you know?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
And this is a quick little fact. Arkansas is the
worst defense in the SEC?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Right.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
They atrocious in the back end. They can't stop a
coll or stop a running nose. They're bad in the
back end. They allow over thirty points per game. Defensively,
you know who's second to last and the SEC and
points per game allowed this year?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It's a Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
It is Tennessee. Wow.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
And this was a team all year a year ago
was pounding their chest about their scoring differential, right, one
of the top five teams in the country and points
per game offensively, you couldn't run the football on them.
You couldn't put points on the board against them. This
is a defense that's really bad. And I know they're
banged up at corner. No Jamal McCoy once again this weekend.
But there's a big reason why that spread is seven
and a half or eight points right now. And I
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have to imagine that Alabama, the way they're playing, the
way that Tys Simpson has grown as a quarterback as
the weeks have progressed, are going to sit there and
win by double digits, maybe even up to about three scores.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, I mean Valls have survived back to back scares.
Looking at the Arkansas win and then needing OT in Starkville,
Joey Aguilar and company, you're going to have their work
cut out for them in that matchup. At eleven am,
LSU travels to Vanderbilt. I was very high on Vanderbilt
coming into the season, and that has mostly come to fruition.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I was also high on LSU. Now I'm a little
bit less.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
So two teams that need it bad, what do you
think it comes down to?
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Yeah, this is a crazy game. Vanderbilt's favorite against the
ranked team for the first time since nineteen seventy eight.
That's a stat I'm sure you'll hear all over the broadcast,
but it's worth mentioning. So I look at both lines
of scrimmage, and oddly I come away favoring that of Vanderbilt.
I don't think I've ever said that in my entire
life unless you should have those dogs, those big boys
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from the Bayou, right, and they just lack it, right.
They like the physicality, whereas Vanderbilt's the top fifteen teams
and tackles for a loss this year. On top of that,
they love to own the time of possession and they
are very efficient in the red area that is where
they thrive. Of course, their quarterback is a dog as well.
It just is a clash of styles and for that reason,
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I'm taking the home team, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Do they get back on track at South Carolina? Not
the easiest place to win, now.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
No, it's not. And these teams are very similar.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
In fact, I would kind of liken it to having
the Spider Man meme of two Spider Man's looking in
pointing at one another because they're.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
The same team.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
You know, it's a team where the defense is tough,
right Oklahoma especially, they don't have many playmakers on either
side of the football.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
They have very talented quarterbacks, there's a lack.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Of run game on both sides, and the offensive line
quite frankly is not great. So to me, it's which
quarterback makes the fewest mistakes or which team is able
to limit penalties or turnovers. I lean again towards the
home team because playing on the road in the SEC
is tough, even at eleven AM. I like South Carolina here.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
You know, when the running game was a little bit
better for Oklahoma when Lincoln Riley was there, and now
they're starting to get that kind of running game going
at USC too. I think Michigan was wildly overrated, continues
to be overrated at the moment, but it didn't make
what USC did to them any less impressive in my eyes.
I was actually I was watching that game at I
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was accidentally at a Michigan bar. Yeah, unintentionally entertaining experience.
The USC's at Notre Dame. Can they back up that
big win over Big Blue?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah? I want to believe in USC. I do.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I've wanted to believe in a Lincoln Riley defense for
every year that he's left Oklahoma, right, and this year
it's starting to look like maybe it could be a
tough physical force up there.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Right.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Danton Land, the defensive coordinator coming over from UCLA. When
they had a top ten defensive front and all of
the country in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three.
It just hasn't formulated yet. And looking at Jeremiah Love,
looking at Jadaian Price, you know, these guys average five
touchdowns on the ground for a reason. This year, I
like Notre Dame, and that's unfortunate because Notre Dame, if
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they win this game, is going to skate to ten
and two and right back in college football playoff. I
just can't yet say I believe in a USC defense,
a Lincoln Riley defense, to make the necessary plays.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
To win a game they shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So you're saying the Longhorn rooting guide in that one
is for Lincoln Riley and the Trojans.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah, I believe so. And even then, look, USC is
right there. They'd be six and one. They have a
very favorable path. They played Nebraska next weekend and then
it's pretty easy sailing until they play Oregon the third
week of November. But all together, look, that is a
favorable path for USC. I just think they're more likely
to slip up than Notre Dame will be. And that's
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why you choose chaos.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Well, Longhorns are gonna have to potentially hope for that
chaos unless they can run the table, and we'll see.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Time will tell whether or not they do.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
But before we get to that, I want to get
your take on a couple other big stories in college
football this week. Ninety three million dollars for Kurt Signetti.
Indiana gave him eight years. It's fully guaranteed. I've seen
takes saying this is terrific. This is a commitment to
building a winner. This is loyalty that you don't see
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a lot from programs to head coaches anymore. Hint, James Franklin.
I've seen people say, could this be mel Tucker? Could
this be an athletic director in over his head putting
a bill that might set the program back.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Where do you come down on it?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I mean, truth has to be somewhere in between those
two extremes, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Now?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I love it for Indiana.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
If for whatever reason Kurt Signetti flops and Indiana reverts back,
well guess what, They're just Indiana of what they've always been.
Let's not forget this is the losingest college football program
in all of college football. They were horrible, they were
non existing on the face of college football. Three wins
and big ten play over the last three years. They're
eleven and one over the last year and a half.
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It doesn't matter what he does moving forward. They've set
that program's news record highs and just about everything, attendance,
you know, prominence. It doesn't matter what he does moving forward.
Now that's a lot of money, right, and that's the point.
But if you're Indiana, you have to play this game
because let's say he does have five more good years
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in him and he's old, right.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
He's sixty five. But let's say he has five good.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Years in him and Michigan opens up and he departs,
and now he turned Michigan into a national title contender,
or Penn State, who is open already swoops in and
steals him, and all of a sudden, they're reaching new
highs that were previously unavailable to.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Them with James Franklin.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
If you're Indiana saying we had that and we lost it,
well there's your revert back to being nobody. You have
to do what is necessary to hold on to him,
keep him in Bloomington, and they did exactly that.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
On top of this, Look, he breeds great quarterbacks, He
knows how to win. Uh, just google the dude.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
I mean, it's a great sign for Indiana, it's a
great sign for Signety, and I think for college football
fans across the country. It's kind of fun that there's
a new contending team on the surface of college football,
something that we haven't seen in quite some time.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
There's a new vacancy in the Big Ten at Penn State.
James Franklin, after being one play away from the College
Football National Championship appearance a year ago, is now no
longer employed by the Nitney Lions. Good decision, wrong decision.
Where do you come down from the Penn State.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah, it's time. It was time for James Franklin. It
was probably a time a few years ago. But look,
I know a lot of folks, especially Penn State, you
know defenders are looking.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
At well, you said ten plus wins in just about
every year.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I don't think he would take a whole lot given
the bottom half of the conference that they play in
the Big Ten, to win ten games. What you lack
and what Penn State deserves better with is playing the
Ohio States, the Oregans, the Michigan's, the teams that are
competing for the Big Ten championship, right, and that's been
his biggest flawed They just don't win that. James Franklin
against top five, Top ten teams is abysmal and Penn
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State deserves better than that, given the fans support, how
close they've been in the talent they're able to accumulate.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Well. See, Jay, I can't let you go without putting
you on the spot today on October seventeenth, twenty twenty five,
do you believe Texas will be a college football playoff team?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
You are putting me on the spot right now.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I think so, and I'm less confident today than I
will be in three weeks. This is probably the least
confident I will be for the remainder of the season now.
Unless Texas reverts back to what we saw against UTEP
and what we saw against Florida, we'll see. But right now,
I think that the arrow is pointing upwards Texas. With
Kentucky and Mississippi State plus a bye before having to
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face Georgia, that's going to be your season right there,
because I do think Texas will beat or Texas A
and M at the very end of the year. And
if that's the case, look you're going to be ten
and two, and you're gonna be right on the cusp
with a loss to number one and a loss on
the road to a Florida team that probably won't look
great at the end of the year, but that's a
tough loss in the SEC. I'm thinking they will. They'll
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write the ship and get there.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Finally, your score prediction for Saturday night, well, tomorrow night,
matter of fact, against Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I'm excited for this one, twenty seven to thirteen. I
have the Horns coming out with the win.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
They do cover this game for anybody interested in that,
but I think a late touchdown will make it look
a little prettier for Kentucky. Altogether, this is one where
Texas will just be happy walking away with the win.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Well, CJ, I appreciate you hopping on as I'm holding
down the fort here today for Craig and Cam.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Don't worry.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I won't tell Craig that you said sixty five was
getting up there in age.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
He's on his way to Luxington.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Good keep that away from him. Thanks. That's CJ.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Vogel from on Texas Football. Where can we read and
watch your coverage on Saturday?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Absolutely, I have everything on Twitter at CJ Vogel underscore
otfor at on Texas football dot com.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Well do, thank you so much, CJ for joining us,
and when we come back, we'll wrap up the second
hour of this Friday edition of the program.
A little bit of Tyler Childers on the way back,
another one of the several great musicians from the Bluegrass
State we'll hear from on today's edition of the program.
As the Longhorns prepare to travel the Lexington take on Kentucky,
want to welcome in one of my former classmates and
now one of my trusted sources on all things Texas football.
That is CJ Vogel from on Texas Football.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And CJ, I know you.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I know you're not traveling to Lexington this weekend, but
you were at the State Fair Street Fight a week ago,
and I just wanted to know not that we've had
a week to sort of set back and let the
dust settle. I mean, what's your big takeaway from a
win like that?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Absolutely, Jake, thanks for having me on. Good to see
manning the ship this Friday afternoon. But you know, I
think the Texas defense woke up. I think that this
was kind of what we anticipated this Texas defense being
coming into twenty twenty five. And you know what that
is is a stout run defense, a pass rush that
will make life health quarterback, and a secondary that will
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take advantage of errant passes and really turn the.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Tides very quickly.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
And I thought they did exactly that in all three phases,
and that was again to be expected.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Now can they be can they duplicate that?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Can they find ways to put that similar product on
the field week in and week out? And this is
a big opportunity for them to do exactly that going
on the road to Kentucky. Look, you say two things travel,
one your run game to your defense. Well, the Texas
defense did not travel to Gainesville two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Let's see if they show up Saturday evening.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, that was exactly what I was about to ask,
because I know Lexington is, as far as SEC games go,
not the most intimidating environment. In fact that you know,
talking to Craig, he expects a pretty big contingent of
burn orange in the crowd tomorrow night at Kroger Field.
But for a Texas team that has just struggled mightily
in these road environments, albeit a small sample size to
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start the year, what are the biggest things that you
hope they prove to you this week?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
I think it starts with arch Manning, right, you know,
going on the road to the Horseship, you didn't play well.
It took really about three and a half four quarters
before anything offensively against Florida was able to generate. And
now you're looking at back to back road games, and
again you mentioned at Kentucky, maybe not the most intimidating Startville,
maybe not the most intimidating, but you're in the SEC
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and you're gonna be under the lights on Saturday. You
have to bring it from the jump and going back
to the defense. If you get out to a quick lead,
that plays right into the you know, the heart of
the strength of your defense.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
But for Arch, for me, it's about playing with that confidence.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
And I thought Sark evolved as a head coach on
Saturday against Oklahoma. I thought you saw him really start
to adjust and adapt to what his team strengths were
and really find ways to mask some of the weaknesses.
Right against Floridas, throw it deep every single play, try
to hit a jackpot and overcome a fourteen point deficit
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on every single play in that fourth quarter. We didn't
really see any deep shots against Oklahoma. It was more methodical.
They relied on the run game, which showed some sort
of life for the first time in a while this year.
Now against the Kentucky front, which you should have success.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
What does start to do with this tendency?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Does he revert back to the team that throws it
down the field at every opportunity or is there a
middle ground?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
That's what I'm hoping to see.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
But it all starts with Arch and how he kind
of composes himself on this road territory.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, it felt like they had a different plan.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
For sure, get the ball out quick and get Arch
into a rhythm without necessarily pushing it downfield.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
But then you know, there was so much conversation this.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Week in all of the press conferences, media availabilities we
get with the Texas players about the magic that happened
on those off script plays. I mean, is that a
formula you think that they can find going forward with
Arch extending those plays now that he seems to have
this kind of chemistry brewing in those improv scenarios.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah, it feels to me like it's a benefit of
the product that you've created. And then that is the
quick throws and obviously keeping these guys near the line
of scrimmage. But also for Arch, like we've talked about it,
he's a heck of an athlete. He can make throws
that many quarterbacks in the country cannot. We just haven't
necessarily seen them consistently this year, And nor do I
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think he was willing early on when the confidence wasn't high,
to test himself.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Right, We've talked about it.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
When you're a quarterback in practice, you try to make
every single throw to test your ability.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You have the coaches in your ear saying throw it.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I don't care the coverage to know whether or not
that is a feasible option. On Saturdays, well, Arc started
to play outside of what I think his own limitations
were for himself. You know, he didn't test those you
know throwbacks, you know, throwing across your bodies while rolling left.
He didn't test those type of throws earlier in the year.
Only when he started to find some confidence in a
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rhythm was he Okay, I've done this my whole life.
Now let's see if I can do it against in Oklahoma.
And if that's how the snowball is going to get
going down the hill, well I think we're going to
start seeing some nuttier throws from Arch moving forward.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, speaking of throws that maybe you don't see every day,
John Mattier did not look anything like himself in that
Oklahoma game. And now that you've had time to maybe
go back and review the tape, how much of that
was a product of Texas's defense versus maybe Matier just
rushing back or not having his usual day.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah, I didn't think Mattier played great. I don't think
it necessarily chopped up to his hand. In fact, I
thought his eyes were the worst part of his quarterback
game against Texas. They had opportunities for wide receivers to
get free down the field, and the eyes just weren't
in the right place.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Now, I don't know if that's for a second third read.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I don't know if that was just what he was
asked to do on a given game, on a given play,
But when you have guys streaking down the field, you'd
think it would be, you know, pretty opportune to hit
those guys, and Matier just did not now those decisions. Obviously,
the interception before halftime, the tips of all they ended
up in the lap of Grayson Littleton as well. You're
late on both throws. That again has nothing to do
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with the hand, but more the mental side of playing quarterback.
And if Oklahoma's not careful, and this is where not
having a run game comes.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
In to play.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
If your quarterback's confidence starts sinking down quickly and you
start playing tough defense after tough defense with no sign
of really any improvement at all, your quarterback can sink
just as quickly as the Titanic here and for Oklahoma,
I know that defense is talented, but right now they
have nothing outside of John Mattier. If he goes, that
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team is looking at seven and five one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Well, And it's easy to see any scenario for teams
in the SEC, which which just looks so dense in
sort of the upper middle class right now. I've seen
some power rankings always do kind of a weekly sweep
of this and ask Cam about it before the Florida game.
You know, some teams, some sites have Texas all the
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way up up at three in the SEC after a
win like that on Saturday, and some maybe not as
convinced that Texas down at eighth, ninth, or tenth. Where
do you feel like the Longhorns are right now in
context with the rest of the conference And you know
which which big overreaction nine and three is closer to correct?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, no, right now I lean closer towards nine.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And I say that as someone who still believes that
this team very much has a chance to make the
college football playoffs.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
It just so happens that when you lose two games.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Early in the year, you have no option but to
put them closer to the bottom half of the conference.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Right now, the conference will eat itself.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
It's one of those things where there are a lot
of dogs chomping that the bit to get their own,
you know, half of kibble, and they're gonna fight each other,
right you know, this weekend.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Especially, I think it's a tremendous slate.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
And afterward, when the dust settles, you're gonna see multiple
teams with two losses, multiple teams with two losses that
had aspirations to go play in Atlanta for an SEC
championship with two losses in conference plays. So right now,
I think it out well for Texas to just kind
of bide their time to take it week by week.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And three weeks from.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Now, when they get on the plane and go to Athens,
you're looking around saying, Okay, they're seven and two, They're
right in the thick of things.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Now let's evaluate where they are in these power rankings.
So Yeah, I lean a little bit.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Closer towards the middle, maybe bottom half of those power rankings,
but I can't quite say that I'm sold on many
of the teams at the top, and I'm looking at Texas,
A and M specifically.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Well, we'll get to that, and I want to talk
about the rest of the SEC in just a little bit.
But just like the Longhorns are probably saying internally, you
have to take a lot of caution against looking ahead.
And for a Texas team that is coming into Kentucky
with a lot of confidence, what key aspects have to
work well on defense Saturday night to be able to
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replicate that performance from Saturday.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, they got to tackle.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Well, I know this is a cliche, you got to
do it every weekend, but Kentucky specifically, they'd love to
run the ball and seth mcgawan. Coming out of a
skip of Tea by way of Oklahoma, I went to
New Mexico, juco in there as well. He's been around
now finally making what we thought he would be the
headway or the headlines we thought he would make coming
out of high school at Kentucky six and fifteen pounds.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Dante Dowdell their number two six, two hundred and thirty.
Those are big backs.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Those are guys that can you know, break arm tackles,
run effectively, move the pile in scrums. Texas saw that
with Jaydon Baugh, and what Texas didn't do a great
job of early in that game was forcing Kentucky or
Florida in that game uh to throw the throw the
football very often.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Right, They stayed ahead of the chains. They did not
allow for throwing lanes to occur. Right.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
They basically said, Hey, we got a great pass rush,
It's too bad we can't use it. And if I'm Kentucky,
I'm looking at it saying we got to get any
way possible into third and three, third and four, third
and five, because then the whole playbook is open, and
then we don't have Cautter Boldi necessarily dictating how successful
we are on a given down or series. That's what
I'm looking for. Texas has to tackle Seth McGowan right now.
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Twenty one misstackles forced by Pro Football Focus. That's the
fourth most of anybody in the SEC. And he's played
a game less, so he's got quite a track record
right now. It's got to be a lot of white
hats to the football, and I think again, they're playing
with confidence.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
They should be able to fly around and do exactly that.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Now, the turnover on the offensive line and the changes
that have happened there, I mean, I don't think any
of us talked about it enough before the seasons. It
might even be a future lesson for teams who are
trying to figure out who a preseason number one is.
But the Texas O line, right, you were there Saturday.
Finally look the part. Now they lose Cole Hudson. Now
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Connor stro is going to be on the shelf as well,
a couple of surprise little additions to the injury report.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
How big of a concern is this in your eyes?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, it's interesting because you mentioned you know, when you
replace a lot on the offensive line, it's probably best
case to sit there and approach it with caution. And
yet I see what Texas was able to do against
that Oklahoma front at times. Right, it wasn't the most
perfect game running the football, But moving forward, I feel
like they found what their identity is and it's the
outside zone. And I do think centers are important, don't
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get me wrong, But in that outside zone scheme, it's
really your tight injure tackles and your guards getting laterally
moving across the line of scrimmage. And that, to me
doesn't necessarily put a lot of pause into why I
think this offensive line will continue to grow. Connor Robertson
stepping in. This is a fourth year guy. He's played
in the Cotton Bowl, He's played against Oklahoma. He's seen
some moments, not many, but he's been in some key
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situations where he's had to play some very high level football.
He's a smart kid. He knows the calls, he knows
the systems. Oh and he also worked the last two
years with arch Manning hand in hand on that second
team unit. So I do think that offensive line will
continue to move forward. It obviously won't reach its ceiling
with Cole Hudson on the shelf, but for this weekend
and potentially next weekend agains Mississippi State, I do think
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the offensive line without Hudson will be just fine.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
We're going to look ahead a little bit and zoom out,
but first we got to fit a commercial break in here.
This is sports Radio AM thirteen hundred to zone CJ
Vogel Von Texas Football is going to hang out with
us and rejoin us on the other side. Like we said,
it's a great slate of college football this weekend. And
you know, it's one of those slates CJ where it's
almost a good weekend to not be traveling because you
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can catch all the other action from around the country.
But there's a couple of SEC games I want to
get to. First, Texas A and M taking on Arkansas
at two thirty, a chance to learn a little bit
more about the unbeaten Aggies who rank fourth in the country,
and judging by one of your tweets earlier, I think
you see this one as being pretty high scoring.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Look, I'm not really a believer in Marcel Reid, but
I am a believer in Casey Concepcion and Mario Krager.
I think the two of them are the most dynamic
electric wide receiver duo. I think it's the most dynamic
duo in the entire country. The two of them are special,
and you get the ball in their hands, it doesn't
have to take a lot to get it to do so,
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and just let them work. They're fantastic. So on top
of that, look, Bobby Petrina and we know what they
like to do. They like to score points. Taylor Green
is an efficient quarterback. They've put up some points this year.
But the last time I saw Arkansas and has position
just like this, you know about a touchdown or two
underdogs at home, Notre Dame drops sixty on them. So
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we'll see if this game is a little bit closer
all together. If it is a close game, we do
know one thing certain, and that's Arkansas finds ways every
single weekend to lose in the most excruciating, heartbreaking fashion,
and they'll always wane up each other.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Well.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Look, I mean we could go up and down the
slate and look at different SEC matchups that if we
had time. But look, I think the perception of the
SEC right now is an interesting one. You have a
pretty consensus view that this is the deepest conference in
the country this season, certainly among the power for but
some people find that it that it lacks a clear
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team or even a group of teams separating towards the top,
maybe going from conference contenders to title contenders. Does this
line up with the way you've seen things through seven weeks.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, absolutely, the SEC is deep, sure, but I don't
think the top five teams in the country hail from
the SEC.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I don't. I think everybody's flawed.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I think that the playing field is as level as
we've ever seen in the SEC, and you know, especially
since Texas has been a member of the conference. But look,
Ohio State better, Miami, better than anybody in the SEC.
I think right now Indiana's playing better football than anybody
in the SEC. Texas Tech. That's crazy to hear me say,
But regardless of who's that quarterback, that is a great
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team right now with the best pass rush of anybody
in the in the country at the moment. So there's
four you can make an argument, and I'd listened to it.
I probably wouldn't buy it about Texas, A and M.
And in fact, I think the best team in the
SEC at the moment is Alabama, and when they really
get going, I think they have the best quarterback in
the conference. But I just don't buy it. Right LSU
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Tennessee very flawed. I don't yet buy the physicality and
the toughness of an Ole miss to think that they're
going to be long term SEC or national championship contending teams.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So we'll see.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
And then Georgia, of course the big bad dogs down
in Athens. It's hard to look at them this year
and say that this is a Georgia team that we've
seen over their dynastic run. I just don't believe it.
But you can't count them out. So it's really interesting.
And again, the tips are going to fall pretty quickly
here over the next few weeks in SEC play. But
I think there's a bit of a gap from the
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best teams in the country and the best team that
is in the SEC.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You know, Ole Miss is number five in the country.
They're going to Athens, like you hinto that. If you're
a longhorned fan right now, what are you watching for
potentially rooting for in that game, knowing that Texas will
dodge Old Miss but go to Athens in a few weeks.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, I think you're rooting for Ole Miss.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
You know, give Georgia another loss, knock them out of
SEC title contention. You know they've already lost to Alabama.
You don't want Georgia at any point to show up
again in the postseason. So if Texas can then walk
into Athens and theoretically in their season with the win,
perhaps well, hey, then you don't have to face them
in the playoff again, and I do think Texas can
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give Georgia a battle right now. But again, I think
there's just something about the Kirby Smart Steve Sarkisian back
and forth that gives me pause. We obviously saw it
the last year with two straight wins going to the
hands of the dogs. If I don't have to play
Georgia and I'm Texas, I'm taking that path.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Ten times out of ten. I don't care. If they're up,
they're down, there, left, they're right.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
I think you're rooting for ole Miss if you're a
Texas fan, because that's a team right now that I
just again I question their physicality in the long term.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I know Trinidad Chamberliss has played well this year.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
There's a reason that he was coming from a D
two school, and there's a reason why others are recruiting
four and five stars across country.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Another consequence of the super sized SEC, just like you
see it in the Big Ten, Texas will not see Tennessee,
Texas will not see Alabama volunteers have one conference loss,
Crimson Tide have a non conference loss that's not agent
so well against Florida State. These are two kind of
teams on the fringe of that CFP bubble. What do
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you expect from that third Saturday in October cigar game?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Yeah, it's gonna be exciting. You know this This is
one that I've I've had circled for quite some time.
I like the way that it shakes out too. Right,
You go from Texas ou as an SEC fan or
someone that falls the SEC straight into Tennessee, Alabama.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
This is great? Did you know?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
And this is a quick little fact. Arkansas is the
worst defense in the SEC?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Right.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
They atrocious in the back end. They can't stop a
coll or stop a running nose. They're bad in the
back end. They allow over thirty points per game. Defensively,
you know who's second to last and the SEC and
points per game allowed this year?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It's a Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
It is Tennessee. Wow.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
And this was a team all year a year ago
was pounding their chest about their scoring differential, right, one
of the top five teams in the country and points
per game offensively, you couldn't run the football on them.
You couldn't put points on the board against them. This
is a defense that's really bad. And I know they're
banged up at corner. No Jamal McCoy once again this weekend.
But there's a big reason why that spread is seven
and a half or eight points right now. And I
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have to imagine that Alabama, the way they're playing, the
way that Tys Simpson has grown as a quarterback as
the weeks have progressed, are going to sit there and
win by double digits, maybe even up to about three scores.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, I mean Valls have survived back to back scares.
Looking at the Arkansas win and then needing OT in Starkville,
Joey Aguilar and company, you're going to have their work
cut out for them in that matchup. At eleven am,
LSU travels to Vanderbilt. I was very high on Vanderbilt
coming into the season, and that has mostly come to fruition.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I was also high on LSU. Now I'm a little
bit less.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
So two teams that need it bad, what do you
think it comes down to?
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Yeah, this is a crazy game. Vanderbilt's favorite against the
ranked team for the first time since nineteen seventy eight.
That's a stat I'm sure you'll hear all over the broadcast,
but it's worth mentioning. So I look at both lines
of scrimmage, and oddly I come away favoring that of Vanderbilt.
I don't think I've ever said that in my entire
life unless you should have those dogs, those big boys
(19:24):
from the Bayou, right, and they just lack it, right.
They like the physicality, whereas Vanderbilt's the top fifteen teams
and tackles for a loss this year. On top of that,
they love to own the time of possession and they
are very efficient in the red area that is where
they thrive. Of course, their quarterback is a dog as well.
It just is a clash of styles and for that reason,
(19:45):
I'm taking the home team, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Do they get back on track at South Carolina? Not
the easiest place to win, now.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
No, it's not. And these teams are very similar.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
In fact, I would kind of liken it to having
the Spider Man meme of two Spider Man's looking in
pointing at one another because they're.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
The same team.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
You know, it's a team where the defense is tough,
right Oklahoma especially, they don't have many playmakers on either
side of the football.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
They have very talented quarterbacks, there's a lack.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Of run game on both sides, and the offensive line
quite frankly is not great. So to me, it's which
quarterback makes the fewest mistakes or which team is able
to limit penalties or turnovers. I lean again towards the
home team because playing on the road in the SEC
is tough, even at eleven AM. I like South Carolina here.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
You know, when the running game was a little bit
better for Oklahoma when Lincoln Riley was there, and now
they're starting to get that kind of running game going
at USC too. I think Michigan was wildly overrated, continues
to be overrated at the moment, but it didn't make
what USC did to them any less impressive in my eyes.
I was actually I was watching that game at I
(20:51):
was accidentally at a Michigan bar. Yeah, unintentionally entertaining experience.
The USC's at Notre Dame. Can they back up that
big win over Big Blue?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah? I want to believe in USC. I do.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I've wanted to believe in a Lincoln Riley defense for
every year that he's left Oklahoma, right, and this year
it's starting to look like maybe it could be a
tough physical force up there.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Right.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Danton Land, the defensive coordinator coming over from UCLA. When
they had a top ten defensive front and all of
the country in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three.
It just hasn't formulated yet. And looking at Jeremiah Love,
looking at Jadaian Price, you know, these guys average five
touchdowns on the ground for a reason. This year, I
like Notre Dame, and that's unfortunate because Notre Dame, if
(21:37):
they win this game, is going to skate to ten
and two and right back in college football playoff. I
just can't yet say I believe in a USC defense,
a Lincoln Riley defense, to make the necessary plays.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
To win a game they shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So you're saying the Longhorn rooting guide in that one
is for Lincoln Riley and the Trojans.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah, I believe so. And even then, look, USC is
right there. They'd be six and one. They have a
very favorable path. They played Nebraska next weekend and then
it's pretty easy sailing until they play Oregon the third
week of November. But all together, look, that is a
favorable path for USC. I just think they're more likely
to slip up than Notre Dame will be. And that's
(22:17):
why you choose chaos.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Well, Longhorns are gonna have to potentially hope for that
chaos unless they can run the table, and we'll see.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Time will tell whether or not they do.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
But before we get to that, I want to get
your take on a couple other big stories in college
football this week. Ninety three million dollars for Kurt Signetti.
Indiana gave him eight years. It's fully guaranteed. I've seen
takes saying this is terrific. This is a commitment to
building a winner. This is loyalty that you don't see
(22:48):
a lot from programs to head coaches anymore. Hint, James Franklin.
I've seen people say, could this be mel Tucker? Could
this be an athletic director in over his head putting
a bill that might set the program back.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Where do you come down on it?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I mean, truth has to be somewhere in between those
two extremes, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Now?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I love it for Indiana.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
If for whatever reason Kurt Signetti flops and Indiana reverts back,
well guess what, They're just Indiana of what they've always been.
Let's not forget this is the losingest college football program
in all of college football. They were horrible, they were
non existing on the face of college football. Three wins
and big ten play over the last three years. They're
eleven and one over the last year and a half.
(23:30):
It doesn't matter what he does moving forward. They've set
that program's news record highs and just about everything, attendance,
you know, prominence. It doesn't matter what he does moving forward.
Now that's a lot of money, right, and that's the point.
But if you're Indiana, you have to play this game
because let's say he does have five more good years
(23:52):
in him and he's old, right.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
He's sixty five. But let's say he has five good.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Years in him and Michigan opens up and he departs,
and now he turned Michigan into a national title contender,
or Penn State, who is open already swoops in and
steals him, and all of a sudden, they're reaching new
highs that were previously unavailable to.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Them with James Franklin.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
If you're Indiana saying we had that and we lost it,
well there's your revert back to being nobody. You have
to do what is necessary to hold on to him,
keep him in Bloomington, and they did exactly that.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
On top of this, Look, he breeds great quarterbacks, He
knows how to win. Uh, just google the dude.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
I mean, it's a great sign for Indiana, it's a
great sign for Signety, and I think for college football
fans across the country. It's kind of fun that there's
a new contending team on the surface of college football,
something that we haven't seen in quite some time.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
There's a new vacancy in the Big Ten at Penn State.
James Franklin, after being one play away from the College
Football National Championship appearance a year ago, is now no
longer employed by the Nitney Lions. Good decision, wrong decision.
Where do you come down from the Penn State.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah, it's time. It was time for James Franklin. It
was probably a time a few years ago. But look,
I know a lot of folks, especially Penn State, you
know defenders are looking.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
At well, you said ten plus wins in just about
every year.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I don't think he would take a whole lot given
the bottom half of the conference that they play in
the Big Ten, to win ten games. What you lack
and what Penn State deserves better with is playing the
Ohio States, the Oregans, the Michigan's, the teams that are
competing for the Big Ten championship, right, and that's been
his biggest flawed They just don't win that. James Franklin
against top five, Top ten teams is abysmal and Penn
(25:35):
State deserves better than that, given the fans support, how
close they've been in the talent they're able to accumulate.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Well. See, Jay, I can't let you go without putting
you on the spot today on October seventeenth, twenty twenty five,
do you believe Texas will be a college football playoff team?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
You are putting me on the spot right now.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I think so, and I'm less confident today than I
will be in three weeks. This is probably the least
confident I will be for the remainder of the season now.
Unless Texas reverts back to what we saw against UTEP
and what we saw against Florida, we'll see. But right now,
I think that the arrow is pointing upwards Texas. With
Kentucky and Mississippi State plus a bye before having to
(26:16):
face Georgia, that's going to be your season right there,
because I do think Texas will beat or Texas A
and M at the very end of the year. And
if that's the case, look you're going to be ten
and two, and you're gonna be right on the cusp
with a loss to number one and a loss on
the road to a Florida team that probably won't look
great at the end of the year, but that's a
tough loss in the SEC. I'm thinking they will. They'll
(26:37):
write the ship and get there.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Finally, your score prediction for Saturday night, well, tomorrow night,
matter of fact, against Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I'm excited for this one, twenty seven to thirteen. I
have the Horns coming out with the win.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
They do cover this game for anybody interested in that,
but I think a late touchdown will make it look
a little prettier for Kentucky. Altogether, this is one where
Texas will just be happy walking away with the win.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Well, CJ, I appreciate you hopping on as I'm holding
down the fort here today for Craig and Cam.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Don't worry.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I won't tell Craig that you said sixty five was
getting up there in age.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
He's on his way to Luxington.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Good keep that away from him. Thanks. That's CJ.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Vogel from on Texas Football. Where can we read and
watch your coverage on Saturday?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Absolutely, I have everything on Twitter at CJ Vogel underscore
otfor at on Texas football dot com.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Well do, thank you so much, CJ for joining us,
and when we come back, we'll wrap up the second
hour of this Friday edition of the program.
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