Nobody had a better vantage point of last nights crazy game than Texas Softball broadcaster Andrew Haynes. Andrew joined The Craig Way Show to discuss the Longhorns' win, including that obstruction call, Reese Atwood's "boss moment", and Nijaree Canady's blunder.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That was the next pitch, hits the ball in the
left fail she swung at the pitch that.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Was post of the zone. Two run score, Texas takes
the lead.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
A boss moment from Attwood, a three to zero intention
to be outside for a ball four and she hits
it in the left for a base.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hit, and that proved to be the needed hit for
the long Horns to win last night, two to one
in Game one of the National Championship Series. Continue here
on thirteen under the other man who called that had
that call and the call of the final out for
the Texas long Horns, and of course, the voice of
long Horns saw Paul Andrew Haynes joins us on the hotline. Okay,
(00:39):
I love the call. Tell me what a boss moment means?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Who else does that?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I mean, you're right, She's a boss, right, He's the
boss man.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
No one else. Miguel Cabrera Hall of Famer, does that?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yes, yes, yeah, Kelly Leak bad news bears right, Yeah,
that kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Good stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Hey, before we get going about the game and stuff.
You did make it the Nick's grill I saw from
the photo.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Right, I did? I did good stuff?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, Okay, would did you have to wait long? Because
it's a little place.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You know. I was able to grab a seat right away,
and they as I walked in, asked me a age,
Just wanta Bergram fries and that's I mean, that's all
is on the menu. It looks like so I said yes,
and they had already in ten to fifteen minutes and
it wasn't too bad.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Excellent, Okay, all right, very good.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm curious to get your thoughts on a number of
things about the what I like to refer to as
the extemporaneous quality of the game itself and the way
things unfolded, first of all, with Texas and Tigu and
Kavan able to wriggle off the hook in the top
of the first and get the double play and then
get out of that thing, and then the two sides
(01:52):
just kind of settled in until the fifth inning, and
then of course the controversy of the call itself before
we get to that, just the way that the game
started unfolding through the first four innings. What was your
take as the game continued to roll on after Texas
was able to get out of trouble in that top
half of the first inning.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, you know, after they got out of trouble and
then things just started to move along. It really felt like, yeah,
this is what was expected, you know, two all Americans
going out in the circle. And you know, maybe the
Longhorns didn't quite have as many hits as I expected
them to get.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
They did get I.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Think eight hits against Kennedy early in the season in
the extra ending game they played, but overall, for the
most part, it really felt like it was is it
going to be a two to one game? That is
what the feeling was going in and that's what it
felt like.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Before No, we get to the fifth inning, and I
thought you had a really accurate description about you know,
it looked for sure like Olin was, you know, dead
to rights there, and Leanne Good did her job and
put the tag on her.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
She's well away from the bag, like I said, it's
an easy out.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
And then and the stopped, and we all stopped, and
I heard you say your first speculation was where they
trying to challenge something from Jolie Mitchell at first base.
So I can only imagine the other amazement and surprise.
I mean, I heard you, so you know, my goodness,
when when they came up with the call they came
up with.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, it was a shock, and I think I think Cam,
you know, he was sending me a little info and
he said that ESPN said they were reviewing the call
at second and uh.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Like, clearly the runner was out. There was you know, no, no,
we have sands or butts.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
So I was I was shocked that they were reviewing
in the first place, and even more stunned that it
got overturned. I you know that the softball rules for
obstruction have been a mess for a couple of years.
And yeah, a little hint for today's pregame show actually
asked Mike about it.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
He he explained.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It a little bit and said, you know, technically under
the rules it probably was the case, but they kind
of need to even tighten the rules a little more.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, I think that's what I said earlier.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
So the problem is the rule itself, because first of all,
the umpires made the right call in the field and
calling the runner out, and then upon going to review,
the thing that started to make me feel uneasy was
when ESPN called in the rules analyst and she brought
up the thing about the foot in the base path
and then and then I think Beth Mwens did say, well,
if she's stepping to feel the play, to to put
(04:28):
it down, to put the tag down. So anyway, it
got into this guessing game back and then when the
when the rules analyst said it's fifty to fifty, I thought,
really fifty fifty and and so, and I was a
little bit you kind of just explained one thing to me.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I was.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I was just a little bit dismayed at how you know,
Beth Mowens has called hundreds of softball game, She's got
two Olympians in the booths with it, and none of
them really seemed to know the exact adjudication of how
that works. And as you pointed out, and you said, Mike,
why got into a little more detail about it, But
(05:06):
you said, the rules itself about obstruction have been kind
of a mess the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, you know, when they first started replay twenty twenty
two to twenty three ish, the rule was written for obstruction,
so that basically anytime it mostly happened at home plate,
anytime in the fielder was in the path of the
runner at all with the ball without they were called
for obstruction. And certain coaches, including one who resides up
(05:33):
in Stillwater, took a very wide view of it and
got a lot of overturned calls on it, and you know,
it just ended up a case where I think after
that season they ended up tightening it a little bit.
And so last year, if you remember the first game
that Texas beat Oklahoma in the regular season, in the
three game series, the potential tying running a seventh inning
(05:55):
for Oklahoma was thrown out at the plate on a
ball hit over the centerfielder's head and Reesa would basically
dived across the baseline to catch the ball and lay
the tag, and they reviewed for obstructions said it was
not and that was because Reese was going, you know,
through the baseline to grab the ball, the throat took
her into the baseline.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
So that's how they tightened it up.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
But even it was pointed out to me that there's
a some guidance on the rules, like a casebook where
umpires are instructed that if the player has started their
slide and the fielder does not have the ball but
is in the path, then it is obstruction no matter what.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
What else is the cases which which immediately made me
think about the fact, So what if the runner does
like Charlie Brown did and start sliding twenty feet from
the bag, does it still count the same way? I mean,
it's you can get as ridiculous as you want to
about that. And I understand the safety implement the rule,
and I'll bet you understand it as well as anybody,
because when it started in baseball, everybody called it the
(06:52):
bust or Posing rule, and you, being the Giants fan
that you are, remember when Pose he had the leg
broken on that kind of thing. But I think there's
to be some common sense latitude interpretation, I would imagine,
and I would guess we'll probably have more discussion, if
not more refinement of that role in the off season,
don't you think?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Absolutely, And you know that guidance someone quoted or Swingshot
didn't posted on Twitter basically, and it did say that,
you know, if the runner starts their slide, you know,
clearly trying to get that call way away from the base,
and then umpires are instructed to ignore that.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So there is that latitude there. But honestly, it felt
like that runner did start her slide pretty early.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
On that play, and you know she was nowhere close
to the base when she got tagged and she was
already on the ground. You know, it's hard to say,
but certainly it feels like it's something that will be
looked at it.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
You know what that is, Andrew.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
That that is softball's version of the flop rule in
the NBA.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
That's what that is.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I've called it in different incidents this year.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Gamesmanship to Mary go, well done, well done. Okay, Andrew
Haynes visiting was all right. Let let let me go
back to the to the app with it.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Bat.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I know there was a lot of incredulity in the
questions that folks had for Jerry Glasgow last night in
the press conference. We just carried it a few minutes ago,
and Issah Kennedy, to her credit, said, I'm a junior
by now, I should be able to make that thing.
But the whole thing seemed from the tech perspective to
(08:22):
be uncomfortable from the beginning when the catcher isn't that
far off the plate. And then I saw a whole
bunch of social media stuff from tech fans say, well,
the ball was over the place, shouldn't have to strike.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
No, it was over the plate, but it was high.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
People forget there's there's high and there's low, as well
as being across the plate. But did it strike you
as a little odd when that first pitch was really close?
I mean maybe the closest of the four coming across
the plate. And Atwood said in the in in her
post came interviews that when she saw that first pitch,
it kind of gave her the idea. And then what
(08:54):
coach Singleton was also telling her, Hey, be ready for this.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, yeah, Mike in the pre game interview also, you know,
he kind of explained a little bit of that, said,
you know, seeing told her, hey, if you get the chance,
take the shot. And certainly when I saw that happen
and I saw where that first pitch was, it crossed
my minds. You know, hey, this might be close enough.
I didn't think she'd actually do it, but you know, hey,
(09:19):
all America hitter is gonna All America hitter, right.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. Okay, let's move forward
to this game. First and foremost is there and I
know you've had conversations with with Coach White. Is there
any reasonably there could be someone other than Cavan in
the circle tonight?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
He was actually you know, the vast majority of time
doing the pregame interviews. He is ready with his starter,
he knows who's pitching. He actually said he had not
decided yet.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Okay, all right, all right, And and and I think
coach Glasgow kind of played it close to the best,
at least in the postgame press or he said that
we'll see how she feels and so on. Form I
guess I'd be a little surprised if anyone other than
Nigia Kennedy got in there. But let me get your
thoughts now that the fact that they've had some games
against her, both when she played at Stanford and two
(10:11):
this year as a picture for Texas Tech, how instrumental
do you think that is for helping some of the
other hitters at would of course that that was incredible,
but it finally halted the hitless scheme that she had
been in. But even some of the other Miascott got
the little din hit. But you know, not what we're
(10:32):
used to seeing her tear through the ball, and the
same thing with Jolie earlier in the earlier in the tournament.
So having gone through it again with Kennedy last night,
if she's back in the circle, which many feels she
probably will be. You think that's instrumental and helps this
team going back out against her to try to get
(10:52):
to seven more good innings worth of swings against her.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I do.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And you know, to the question about whether she'll start
or not, I mean the way the Longhorns ripped up
their other pitching early in the season in Austin really
feel like an eighty percent and ninety percent, even a
seventy five percent Nigerie Kennedy probably Texas Tech's best option
if she is even at those lower percentages for her
(11:17):
a bit availability, But offensively, it really showed I think
Kate and Henry single that started that rally in the
sixth inning, she was really shortening up and just trying
to poke it in the outfield, and so I think
that was a good adjustment. And you know, it really
feels like that's something that's going to probably permeate through
the team. And I wouldn't be surprised if a lot
(11:37):
more players just tried to make solid contact instead of
trying to hit the ball out of the ballpark. And
you know, they saw her a lot yesterday. I really
think they have a good shot of squaring her up.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
He's Andrew Haynes.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
He'll call it tonight there on the Retro Austin reading
on the iHeartRadio app. Be able to tune in and
listen for that. Looking forward to hearing the call tonight
and enjoy yourself. I know you enjoy it, but it's
not often. And you know this that we that we
all get opportunities to call championship games and they are
special moments. So I hope you have a good one tonight.
(12:08):
Thank you, all right, thanks great, all right, you bet.
That's Andrew Haynes.
That was the next pitch, hits the ball in the
left fail she swung at the pitch that.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Was post of the zone. Two run score, Texas takes
the lead.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
A boss moment from Attwood, a three to zero intention
to be outside for a ball four and she hits
it in the left for a base.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hit, and that proved to be the needed hit for
the long Horns to win last night, two to one
in Game one of the National Championship Series. Continue here
on thirteen under the other man who called that had
that call and the call of the final out for
the Texas long Horns, and of course, the voice of
long Horns saw Paul Andrew Haynes joins us on the hotline. Okay,
(00:39):
I love the call. Tell me what a boss moment means?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Who else does that?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I mean, you're right, She's a boss, right, He's the
boss man.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
No one else. Miguel Cabrera Hall of Famer, does that?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yes, yes, yeah, Kelly Leak bad news bears right, Yeah,
that kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Good stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Hey, before we get going about the game and stuff.
You did make it the Nick's grill I saw from
the photo.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Right, I did? I did good stuff?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, Okay, would did you have to wait long? Because
it's a little place.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You know. I was able to grab a seat right away,
and they as I walked in, asked me a age,
Just wanta Bergram fries and that's I mean, that's all
is on the menu. It looks like so I said yes,
and they had already in ten to fifteen minutes and
it wasn't too bad.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Excellent, Okay, all right, very good.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm curious to get your thoughts on a number of
things about the what I like to refer to as
the extemporaneous quality of the game itself and the way
things unfolded, first of all, with Texas and Tigu and
Kavan able to wriggle off the hook in the top
of the first and get the double play and then
get out of that thing, and then the two sides
(01:52):
just kind of settled in until the fifth inning, and
then of course the controversy of the call itself before
we get to that, just the way that the game
started unfolding through the first four innings. What was your
take as the game continued to roll on after Texas
was able to get out of trouble in that top
half of the first inning.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, you know, after they got out of trouble and
then things just started to move along. It really felt like, yeah,
this is what was expected, you know, two all Americans
going out in the circle. And you know, maybe the
Longhorns didn't quite have as many hits as I expected
them to get.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
They did get I.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Think eight hits against Kennedy early in the season in
the extra ending game they played, but overall, for the
most part, it really felt like it was is it
going to be a two to one game? That is
what the feeling was going in and that's what it
felt like.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Before No, we get to the fifth inning, and I
thought you had a really accurate description about you know,
it looked for sure like Olin was, you know, dead
to rights there, and Leanne Good did her job and
put the tag on her.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
She's well away from the bag, like I said, it's
an easy out.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
And then and the stopped, and we all stopped, and
I heard you say your first speculation was where they
trying to challenge something from Jolie Mitchell at first base.
So I can only imagine the other amazement and surprise.
I mean, I heard you, so you know, my goodness,
when when they came up with the call they came
up with.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, it was a shock, and I think I think Cam,
you know, he was sending me a little info and
he said that ESPN said they were reviewing the call
at second and uh.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Like, clearly the runner was out. There was you know, no, no,
we have sands or butts.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
So I was I was shocked that they were reviewing
in the first place, and even more stunned that it
got overturned. I you know that the softball rules for
obstruction have been a mess for a couple of years.
And yeah, a little hint for today's pregame show actually
asked Mike about it.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
He he explained.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It a little bit and said, you know, technically under
the rules it probably was the case, but they kind
of need to even tighten the rules a little more.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, I think that's what I said earlier.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
So the problem is the rule itself, because first of all,
the umpires made the right call in the field and
calling the runner out, and then upon going to review,
the thing that started to make me feel uneasy was
when ESPN called in the rules analyst and she brought
up the thing about the foot in the base path
and then and then I think Beth Mwens did say, well,
if she's stepping to feel the play, to to put
(04:28):
it down, to put the tag down. So anyway, it
got into this guessing game back and then when the
when the rules analyst said it's fifty to fifty, I thought,
really fifty fifty and and so, and I was a
little bit you kind of just explained one thing to me.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I was.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I was just a little bit dismayed at how you know,
Beth Mowens has called hundreds of softball game, She's got
two Olympians in the booths with it, and none of
them really seemed to know the exact adjudication of how
that works. And as you pointed out, and you said, Mike,
why got into a little more detail about it, But
(05:06):
you said, the rules itself about obstruction have been kind
of a mess the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, you know, when they first started replay twenty twenty
two to twenty three ish, the rule was written for obstruction,
so that basically anytime it mostly happened at home plate,
anytime in the fielder was in the path of the
runner at all with the ball without they were called
for obstruction. And certain coaches, including one who resides up
(05:33):
in Stillwater, took a very wide view of it and
got a lot of overturned calls on it, and you know,
it just ended up a case where I think after
that season they ended up tightening it a little bit.
And so last year, if you remember the first game
that Texas beat Oklahoma in the regular season, in the
three game series, the potential tying running a seventh inning
(05:55):
for Oklahoma was thrown out at the plate on a
ball hit over the centerfielder's head and Reesa would basically
dived across the baseline to catch the ball and lay
the tag, and they reviewed for obstructions said it was
not and that was because Reese was going, you know,
through the baseline to grab the ball, the throat took
her into the baseline.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
So that's how they tightened it up.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
But even it was pointed out to me that there's
a some guidance on the rules, like a casebook where
umpires are instructed that if the player has started their
slide and the fielder does not have the ball but
is in the path, then it is obstruction no matter what.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
What else is the cases which which immediately made me
think about the fact, So what if the runner does
like Charlie Brown did and start sliding twenty feet from
the bag, does it still count the same way? I mean,
it's you can get as ridiculous as you want to
about that. And I understand the safety implement the rule,
and I'll bet you understand it as well as anybody,
because when it started in baseball, everybody called it the
(06:52):
bust or Posing rule, and you, being the Giants fan
that you are, remember when Pose he had the leg
broken on that kind of thing. But I think there's
to be some common sense latitude interpretation, I would imagine,
and I would guess we'll probably have more discussion, if
not more refinement of that role in the off season,
don't you think?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Absolutely, And you know that guidance someone quoted or Swingshot
didn't posted on Twitter basically, and it did say that,
you know, if the runner starts their slide, you know,
clearly trying to get that call way away from the base,
and then umpires are instructed to ignore that.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So there is that latitude there. But honestly, it felt
like that runner did start her slide pretty early.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
On that play, and you know she was nowhere close
to the base when she got tagged and she was
already on the ground. You know, it's hard to say,
but certainly it feels like it's something that will be
looked at it.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
You know what that is, Andrew.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
That that is softball's version of the flop rule in
the NBA.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
That's what that is.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I've called it in different incidents this year.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Gamesmanship to Mary go, well done, well done. Okay, Andrew
Haynes visiting was all right. Let let let me go
back to the to the app with it.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Bat.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I know there was a lot of incredulity in the
questions that folks had for Jerry Glasgow last night in
the press conference. We just carried it a few minutes ago,
and Issah Kennedy, to her credit, said, I'm a junior
by now, I should be able to make that thing.
But the whole thing seemed from the tech perspective to
(08:22):
be uncomfortable from the beginning when the catcher isn't that
far off the plate. And then I saw a whole
bunch of social media stuff from tech fans say, well,
the ball was over the place, shouldn't have to strike.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
No, it was over the plate, but it was high.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
People forget there's there's high and there's low, as well
as being across the plate. But did it strike you
as a little odd when that first pitch was really close?
I mean maybe the closest of the four coming across
the plate. And Atwood said in the in in her
post came interviews that when she saw that first pitch,
it kind of gave her the idea. And then what
(08:54):
coach Singleton was also telling her, Hey, be ready for this.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, yeah, Mike in the pre game interview also, you know,
he kind of explained a little bit of that, said,
you know, seeing told her, hey, if you get the chance,
take the shot. And certainly when I saw that happen
and I saw where that first pitch was, it crossed
my minds. You know, hey, this might be close enough.
I didn't think she'd actually do it, but you know, hey,
(09:19):
all America hitter is gonna All America hitter, right.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. Okay, let's move forward
to this game. First and foremost is there and I
know you've had conversations with with Coach White. Is there
any reasonably there could be someone other than Cavan in
the circle tonight?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
He was actually you know, the vast majority of time
doing the pregame interviews. He is ready with his starter,
he knows who's pitching. He actually said he had not
decided yet.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Okay, all right, all right, And and and I think
coach Glasgow kind of played it close to the best,
at least in the postgame press or he said that
we'll see how she feels and so on. Form I
guess I'd be a little surprised if anyone other than
Nigia Kennedy got in there. But let me get your
thoughts now that the fact that they've had some games
against her, both when she played at Stanford and two
(10:11):
this year as a picture for Texas Tech, how instrumental
do you think that is for helping some of the
other hitters at would of course that that was incredible,
but it finally halted the hitless scheme that she had
been in. But even some of the other Miascott got
the little din hit. But you know, not what we're
(10:32):
used to seeing her tear through the ball, and the
same thing with Jolie earlier in the earlier in the tournament.
So having gone through it again with Kennedy last night,
if she's back in the circle, which many feels she
probably will be. You think that's instrumental and helps this
team going back out against her to try to get
(10:52):
to seven more good innings worth of swings against her.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I do.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And you know, to the question about whether she'll start
or not, I mean the way the Longhorns ripped up
their other pitching early in the season in Austin really
feel like an eighty percent and ninety percent, even a
seventy five percent Nigerie Kennedy probably Texas Tech's best option
if she is even at those lower percentages for her
(11:17):
a bit availability, But offensively, it really showed I think
Kate and Henry single that started that rally in the
sixth inning, she was really shortening up and just trying
to poke it in the outfield, and so I think
that was a good adjustment. And you know, it really
feels like that's something that's going to probably permeate through
the team. And I wouldn't be surprised if a lot
(11:37):
more players just tried to make solid contact instead of
trying to hit the ball out of the ballpark. And
you know, they saw her a lot yesterday. I really
think they have a good shot of squaring her up.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
He's Andrew Haynes.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
He'll call it tonight there on the Retro Austin reading
on the iHeartRadio app. Be able to tune in and
listen for that. Looking forward to hearing the call tonight
and enjoy yourself. I know you enjoy it, but it's
not often. And you know this that we that we
all get opportunities to call championship games and they are
special moments. So I hope you have a good one tonight.
(12:08):
Thank you, all right, thanks great, all right, you bet.
That's Andrew Haynes.
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