December 11, 2025 • 18 mins
CJ Vogel, a CFB insider and recruiting analyst for OnTexasFootball, joins the program with his reaction to Michigan firing Sherrone Moore yesterday. CJ and Jake discuss what's next for Michigan, what the timing might mean, and whether it might impact Texas in any way.
Plus, Notre Dame's CFP gripe and future agreement with the committee, Texas' outgoing transfers and upcoming positions to target, and the future of the CFP rankings show are up for debate!
Plus, Notre Dame's CFP gripe and future agreement with the committee, Texas' outgoing transfers and upcoming positions to target, and the future of the CFP rankings show are up for debate!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
But she hates the small in went after she's hanging
out with.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Jesus. No back here on sports Radio AM thirteen hundred
The Zone joined now by CJ. Vogel College Football Inside
recruiting analysts with on Texas Football TJ. There's been a
lot of fun posts and crazy days in this sport
we love, but I don't think any content brought a
(00:30):
bigger smile to my face than you yesterday having a
little fun at Desmond Howard's expense, taking the trash out
while reacting to this sure own more news. I mean,
first of all, just want to get your reaction to
everything that's transpired out of Van Arbor in the last
twenty four hours or so.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Well, first, I think you know that was the necessary
response to Desmond Howard. It felt like he was throwing
stones that didn't need to be thrown at the time.
And look, first, sharkisian Texas. You know that's a marriage.
As long as arch manning here, you shouldn't have to
worry about anything. Right, he wants to be at Texas.
He's been on record for that number of times now.
But yesterday was a pretty wild day and you mentioned it.
(01:11):
You know there are times in this sport where we
have these wild days. I don't know where yesterday in
particular stacks up in comparison to some of those other days.
But boy, what a wild and quick turnaround was it
for folks up in ann Arbor. And my goodness, I'm
sure there's gonna be ripple effects all over the country
starting with who fills that job in an Arbor? And
(01:33):
where else do jobs then open up? Now that we're
December eleventh, we're pretty deep into, you know, the heart
of the transition period.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Right As someone who covers recruiting, CJ, what do you
make of this timing?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, I think it's at first, it's a disaster for
the signing class at Michigan right And in a way
I was making the joke earlier, you know, It's it's
wild that we just watched a school in the Big ten,
you know, with on its first ten anddidates for a
vacant head coaching position, signed two recruits in a single class,
and all of a sudden they're kind of being looked
at like, you know what, it's not as bad there
(02:08):
as what it looks like in inn Arbor right now.
And today we saw the first release of an NLI
that went to four star tight end Matt Ludwig. There's
gonna be plenty of others for Michigan in particular. Look,
not only do you have a game to prepare for
in December thirty first against the Texas Longhorns, but you
have to also deal with your portal, your high school class,
and just about everything else inside of your office remaining
(02:31):
afloat in. Right now, it doesn't look like there's going
to be much many people left on that live draft.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
We're talking with CJ. Vogel of On Texas Football.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You can follow him at CJ Vogel Underscore OTFF.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
You mentioned the ripple effects.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Kaylin Deboor is a name that's been circulating all day long.
There are reports out of Tuscaloosa today, no indication that
he's leaving. He seems to make sense as maybe Michigan's
first choice. But who else could you see Michigan calling
if Kaylen Bor hangs up the phone?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, I think that's really interesting, right, Kaylen to Bor.
For whatever reason, his name seems to pop up pretty
often when these Marquis jobs start to pop around, and
of course he has ties to the Midwest. I think
Michigan would be a school where the nil pockets in
comparison to that of Alabama would be a little bit deeper.
He's voiced some frustration. In fact, I've heard that nil
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pockets over at Alabama aren't as deep as he would
like them to be. So if not, Kaylen de Bor,
look you got to start looking around to who else
might be valid options. And look, Matt Campbell making his
decision about a week ago. I wonder if one Michigan
regrets the timing of all of this, and two if
Matt Campbell regrets the signing of Penn State, that seems
to be a job that he had always vied for.
(03:44):
But look, Brian Kelly still available. I don't know if
Michigan ever sees him as a fit or anybody else,
but they certainly would have to start battling out some
other currently signed or recently extended head coaches, in which
at that point you really have to start poning up
some money to get the guy and the answer that
they desperately need.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
You know, I hear Brian Kelly, he hasn't even won
all his games yet. I mean, how could you call
him yet?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I guess that's true.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Well, we'll see where they end up going.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I mentioned Kenny Dillingham as a possibility earlier on the show.
That's a name that I could see them going after.
And Glenn Schuman from Georgia maybe an under the radar
candidate as well. We've got a playoff bracket in front
of us now. We spent a lot of time talking
about it.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
You know, feels like forever ago. It was only a
week ago.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Texas was still campaigning to try and be in the
College Football Playoff. It didn't work out that way for
the Longhorns this year, but just wanted to get your
thoughts on the committee's choices and whether or not they
got this thing right.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah. Look, I didn't think Texas was a playoff team.
I think they got that right. I think they got
it right with BYU. I know it's a shame for
folks up in Provo, but ultimately the big surprise and
where I've I've kind of not been one hundred even
with the head to head, but you have Notre Dame
ahead of Miami for every single week of the College
(05:06):
Football Playoff, and on a week in which there is
not a single game played between the two, you make
the switch for the final at large spot. That doesn't
sit right with me. And I understand, I know folks,
and this isn't a popular opinion. I know folks are
looking at Notre Dame as quitters for this season, and
you know they are. They are, quite frankly they are.
But I understand why they said, you know what, screw it,
(05:28):
I'm done with this. You know, we were just promised
a Bowl spot. It felt like we were in. Now
that the committee kind of went behind our backs and
because of how faulty there, you know, comparison guidelines are,
we're now left out after thinking for a month and
a half that we were going to be in. I
think that's one spot for me where I I did
(05:49):
not like seeing that, and I think it's such a
dangerous president that, hey, regardless of if you're playing on
conference championship championship week or not, it's not set in stone.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
So the Texas media tour kind of ends, and we'll
talk about the long Horns and the portal in a moment.
But then this news breaks from Dan Wilkin that Notre
Dame has signed an agreement, a memorandum of understanding that
if they finish top twelve next year and the playoff
doesn't expand, or if they finish top thirteen, if the
playoff expands, and so forth, they're in regardless of conference
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championship ties.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
And now today we're hearing pushback from other.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Schools threatening to ice them out in non conference scheduling.
What in the wild West of college football is going
on here with the Irish.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Look, I know, I just went to bat for Notre Dame,
but this is ridiculous. The idea that there's a handshake
agreement or a verbal agreement with Notre Dame and the
CFP that if they are ranked in a certain spot
that they would be guaranteed a position in the colle
football Playoff. Look, I think that's disingenuous to the sport.
I think it disintegrates a number of the value that
this sport brings in as well. It's ridiculous that they're
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getting pampered and getting the preferential treatment that they are.
And I think teams and other conferences, I think there
should conference wide approaches across the country to say, hey,
Notre Dame, it's time, it's time for you to join
one of us, whether it's the ACC, the Big Ten.
Shoot I know that there's been conversations with the SEC
as well. It's time you cannot continue to pick cherry
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pick your twelve game schedule and then pretend that, oh,
because we played twelve games regardless, it is on equal
footing as every other team in the country when it
quite simply is not.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
And on the front where Pete Bivaqua is kind of
campaigning on Notre Dame's behalf, he's saying, what you said,
how can Notre Dame in Miami flip spots when neither
of them played? Do you think this means we've seen
the last of the Tuesday night ranking shows and the
gradual kind of reality show reveals that come along the way.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I don't think so, because then I think that would
entail that you're getting a set number of teams per
conference with very precise, measurable you know, requirements or pre
RECs to then determine who goes on to play in
the College Football Playoff. And I think where are aways
from that? Right? You know, in the NFL you can
do that because there's thirty two teams. You can very
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clearly determine who wins each conference or each division because
you get to play each other twice. Right, the tiebreakers
are very clear. With how large these conferences are, it's
going to be impossible to determine a very set and
you know, set standard of you know, qualifications for each
conference to have certain tiebreakers. And as a result, you
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kind of need, you know, what you would consider to
be non partial, you know, unbiased voices to determine who
then would be the type you know, the tiebreaker for
these teams.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, and I suppose that's the biggest obstacle for folks
who say this is getting more and more like professional sports.
You cover recruiting, you understand the way things work right
now with the money changing hands. Some people say, why
why do we need a committee? We have these these conferences,
why not go to aqs? That bloated conference argument, I
think is the best response to that.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, I think so. Look again, you look at an
A and M season this year. You play everybody in
the bottom half of the conference, and the one team
that you don't play you lose to.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
You won all of.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Your games, and that's great, but there's fair questions to
ask of how talented and how good are you in
regards to the rest of the conference. Ohio State and
Indiana very similar where they weren't tasked with playing a
lot of the upper echelon teams. And then you look
at Texas on the outsides, looking in, right, five teams
you played this year inside the top ten at the time.
(09:36):
Now that is you know, inequitable schedules.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Across the conference is and across.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
College football, and something that I'm sure conference directors and
you know, athletic directors everywhere are starting to look, you know,
much deeper into to say, hey, if it doesn't matter
to the committee, why should it matter to us in
terms of how difficult a schedule it is that we
are scheduling and playing.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Ultimately, Yeah, I mean it's December eleventh and Tech, this is
still Ohio State's best win. Onto the Longhorns. News about
two players dropped today. The first Derek Williams, junior in
the transfer portal, played a big role as a freshman.
What do you make of this news and how do
you see the Longhorns maybe attacking the portal in the secondary?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, first, I think it's unfortunate because you go back
to that twenty twenty three season when he was a
true freshman and you know, towards the back end of
that year, you started to say, oh, Derek Williams, you know,
you're seeing a lot of them. He's playing a lot
and he probably should should play a little bit more. Right,
he was your best cover safety at the time when
Texas was headed to play against Washington College Football Playoff,
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and then the ACL injury occurred against Oklahoma in twenty
twenty four, and you know, I don't know if he
ever really got fully backed into being that player that
he was as a true freshman. And that's really where
the unfortunate part is. But you start looking at who
was playing safety when Texas was dinged up in the
back half of the season, you saw more Xavier Phield
submit you saw Jonah Williams. The final two weeks of
this season. It felt to me that Texas was ready
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to move into what other options that they had, given
that Derek Williams was still on the roster at the time.
So I think it was set in stone, especially with
the season long development of Joan Williams getting him to
where they felt like they could trust him to put
on the field. That was where where I felt like
the decision was ultimately made.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And then another guy to bring up in the secondary
talking with CJ. Vogel from on Texas Football. Is Wardell
Mack that Will reports this morning that he was into
the transfer portal. Now folks are saying he's staying at Texas.
This is someone that a lot of folks think might
start next season at the star position if Grace and
Littleton were to move.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Look, I know that he was on the practice field
this morning. You know, the Texas Longhorns practice this morning
from what nine to eleven or ten to twelve or
something like that. He was out on the practice field
this morning.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I was told.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Look, news of his portal entry was actually news to him.
So while there is still obviously a month and a
half for him to then enter his name into the portal,
for now he is sticking at Texas. He plans to
practice all the way through and participate in the bulgan.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
When something like this happens, is it a matter of
maybe somebody running with the rumor or is it potentially
for a player like this, someone in their camp doing
something behind their back.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You know, it could be a little bit of both, right,
you know, I know that there are agents vying for
extra money elsewhere, and the best way to create money
for yourself is to create a demand. How do you
create a demand while you enter the NCAA transfer portal
or you know, essentially start rumors that you're going to
insert or enter the NCUBA transfer portal, in which then
your demand increases to retain or to then find yourself
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a new home. But for the sake of Wardel mac look,
I think it was again a guy that maybe folks expected,
They got wind of something, and then you know, they
went with it. But until you hear it from him himself,
I think it's safe to assume that he's going to
be on this roster for the rest.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's just one of those months of the season where
I think a lot of fans are kind of afraid.
It's almost like no news is good news right now
when everybody is making their decisions about their future. As
far as this Texas program goes and this young Texas
team goes, what are you going to watch for in
the Citrus Bowl CJ. It still remains one of the
most watchable Bowl games, maybe even more so now with
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what's happened off the field at Michigan. What's going to
be keeping your attention most on the field in this game.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you and in the time leading
up to the Citrus Wall, I'll be watching how many
Michigan players opt out or portal, right, you know, because
that's a dumpster fire. I wouldn't want to be playing
right now in the amazing Blue. But on the field, and
for Texas perspective, here, look, I think there's a number
of things. And the first to me is, do we
see Bo Barnes get on the field that linebacker? Right?
Texas has a talented trio. Does Trey More play? His
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eligibility is up, he's off to the NFL. We know
that Anthony Hill is off to the league. We don't
expect him to play in the bowl game. This on
December thirty first leaves you Tynathany Smith, Leong Lafal and
bow Barnes. But Tyler Atkinson coming in. Can bow Barnes
establish himself as somebody that can you know, find the
rotation and fend off the talented incoming true freshman. That's
(14:13):
gonna be point one. On top of that, do we
finally start to see some playtime given fifteen extra Bowl
practices for Jamie frinch Acalie Clockett and Michael Terry, the
third Michael Terry right now getting some running back in practice.
That's gonna be really interesting to me when it comes
to how can these guys maximize each and every practice
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that they have with this Bowl game coming up.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I won't ask you to speculate things that maybe you
don't know for sure yet, but finish this sentence, don't
be surprised if in the transfer portal Texas does what.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I'll say, adds five offensive linemen. I think that's a stretch.
I think that's a stretch, but I wouldn't be surprised
given what this season looked like. Three is the minimum
for me. I think they could go all the way
up to fivepending on who else ters right now.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Wow, So a complete potential overhaul up front with that group.
And we don't know obviously whether or not Trevor Gooseby
is coming back to play next season. Yet schedule comes
out tonight, nine game sec schedule moving forward. Whether you
like that decision or not, from the Texas perspective, it's happening.
What are you watching for in terms of the way
Texas hopes it shakes out?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, The big thing for me is, you know when
these bye weeks are planted within you know, SEC schedules.
You know, for Texas they were zero and three when
they had an extended amount of time coming off of
a bye, right, and that's Florida, Georgia on the road
and obviously Ohio State to begin the season. Who does
Texas play when they come off of a bye when
they have that extended amount of time? On top of that,
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for Texas's opponents, you know, where do the bye weeks
fall for them? Are they able to prepare with an
extra amount of time coming into games? Typically Texas is
able to go into Oklahoma off of a buy this
week and when Oklahoma then by so I'll be really
interested there.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, that's one of the things.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Speaking of Alabama and Oklahoma, who are in the College
Football Playoff playing one another on Friday, they both had
to deal with a lot of rest disadvantages. So talking
more about imbalanced schedules, not only did they face the
top half of the league, they often did it when
the opposing team had either an open week or a
cupcake leading up.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
That's definitely something to watch out for.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Looking again with how big these
conferences are on and I'm excited that Texas is moving
in the SEC, is moving to a nine game schedule
and conference play, but there's still going to be some
schedules that are significantly more favorable, especially with how the
season start to play out than some of the others.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Talking with CJ.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Vogelavon Texas football, last question for you as we transition.
You're gonna hear from Sean Miller a little bit after
the break. What do you see in terms of Texas
men's basketball right now heading into the Yukon game?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Oh, off guard there.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, no basketball. Look to me, it's all about how
does Jordan Pope figure into this offense. Is he a
guy that's facilitating on a single night. Is he a
guy that's looking to create and distribute. If so, Texas
will have a fun night shooting the ball. He's done
a fine job of drawing in defenses and kicking to
an open guy on the perimeter. And when that's the case,
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Texas more times than not able to have a good
shooting night. When Jordan Pope is not able to distribute
and create, that's when Texas gets into ruts and they
try to force the ball to modus down low, and
that Ultimately, I know that you just had a hell
of a game on Tuesday, but look against a team
like Yukon, a team like what you'll see in the
in the sec they're gonna have answers for atos and
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now you need to be able to create shots from
the from the exterior. And that's something that altogether this
year I've not seen enough consistency with.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
And I think Sean Miller asking for that consistency on
the defensive side of the floor too. Cej, I got
to let you go. Thanks so much for stopping by.
As always, Thanks Greg, thanks for having me on. That's CJ.
Vogel from on Texas Football. Give him a follow on
X at CJ Vogel Underscore OTF. He had some great
fun at Desmond Howard's expense when that Michigan news came
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out yesterday. We'll circle back on that a little later
in the program, as promise, we'll shift gears to Texas
men's basketball. And here from Sean Miller in a moment.
This is Sports Radio AM thirteen hundred The Zone
But she hates the small in went after she's hanging
out with.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Jesus. No back here on sports Radio AM thirteen hundred
The Zone joined now by CJ. Vogel College Football Inside
recruiting analysts with on Texas Football TJ. There's been a
lot of fun posts and crazy days in this sport
we love, but I don't think any content brought a
(00:30):
bigger smile to my face than you yesterday having a
little fun at Desmond Howard's expense, taking the trash out
while reacting to this sure own more news. I mean,
first of all, just want to get your reaction to
everything that's transpired out of Van Arbor in the last
twenty four hours or so.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Well, first, I think you know that was the necessary
response to Desmond Howard. It felt like he was throwing
stones that didn't need to be thrown at the time.
And look, first, sharkisian Texas. You know that's a marriage.
As long as arch manning here, you shouldn't have to
worry about anything. Right, he wants to be at Texas.
He's been on record for that number of times now.
But yesterday was a pretty wild day and you mentioned it.
(01:11):
You know there are times in this sport where we
have these wild days. I don't know where yesterday in
particular stacks up in comparison to some of those other days.
But boy, what a wild and quick turnaround was it
for folks up in ann Arbor. And my goodness, I'm
sure there's gonna be ripple effects all over the country
starting with who fills that job in an Arbor? And
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where else do jobs then open up? Now that we're
December eleventh, we're pretty deep into, you know, the heart
of the transition period.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Right As someone who covers recruiting, CJ, what do you
make of this timing?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, I think it's at first, it's a disaster for
the signing class at Michigan right And in a way
I was making the joke earlier, you know, It's it's
wild that we just watched a school in the Big ten,
you know, with on its first ten anddidates for a
vacant head coaching position, signed two recruits in a single class,
and all of a sudden they're kind of being looked
at like, you know what, it's not as bad there
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as what it looks like in inn Arbor right now.
And today we saw the first release of an NLI
that went to four star tight end Matt Ludwig. There's
gonna be plenty of others for Michigan in particular. Look,
not only do you have a game to prepare for
in December thirty first against the Texas Longhorns, but you
have to also deal with your portal, your high school class,
and just about everything else inside of your office remaining
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afloat in. Right now, it doesn't look like there's going
to be much many people left on that live draft.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
We're talking with CJ. Vogel of On Texas Football.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You can follow him at CJ Vogel Underscore OTFF.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
You mentioned the ripple effects.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Kaylin Deboor is a name that's been circulating all day long.
There are reports out of Tuscaloosa today, no indication that
he's leaving. He seems to make sense as maybe Michigan's
first choice. But who else could you see Michigan calling
if Kaylen Bor hangs up the phone?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, I think that's really interesting, right, Kaylen to Bor.
For whatever reason, his name seems to pop up pretty
often when these Marquis jobs start to pop around, and
of course he has ties to the Midwest. I think
Michigan would be a school where the nil pockets in
comparison to that of Alabama would be a little bit deeper.
He's voiced some frustration. In fact, I've heard that nil
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pockets over at Alabama aren't as deep as he would
like them to be. So if not, Kaylen de Bor,
look you got to start looking around to who else
might be valid options. And look, Matt Campbell making his
decision about a week ago. I wonder if one Michigan
regrets the timing of all of this, and two if
Matt Campbell regrets the signing of Penn State, that seems
to be a job that he had always vied for.
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But look, Brian Kelly still available. I don't know if
Michigan ever sees him as a fit or anybody else,
but they certainly would have to start battling out some
other currently signed or recently extended head coaches, in which
at that point you really have to start poning up
some money to get the guy and the answer that
they desperately need.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
You know, I hear Brian Kelly, he hasn't even won
all his games yet. I mean, how could you call
him yet?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I guess that's true.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Well, we'll see where they end up going.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I mentioned Kenny Dillingham as a possibility earlier on the show.
That's a name that I could see them going after.
And Glenn Schuman from Georgia maybe an under the radar
candidate as well. We've got a playoff bracket in front
of us now. We spent a lot of time talking
about it.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
You know, feels like forever ago. It was only a
week ago.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Texas was still campaigning to try and be in the
College Football Playoff. It didn't work out that way for
the Longhorns this year, but just wanted to get your
thoughts on the committee's choices and whether or not they
got this thing right.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah. Look, I didn't think Texas was a playoff team.
I think they got that right. I think they got
it right with BYU. I know it's a shame for
folks up in Provo, but ultimately the big surprise and
where I've I've kind of not been one hundred even
with the head to head, but you have Notre Dame
ahead of Miami for every single week of the College
(05:06):
Football Playoff, and on a week in which there is
not a single game played between the two, you make
the switch for the final at large spot. That doesn't
sit right with me. And I understand, I know folks,
and this isn't a popular opinion. I know folks are
looking at Notre Dame as quitters for this season, and
you know they are. They are, quite frankly they are.
But I understand why they said, you know what, screw it,
(05:28):
I'm done with this. You know, we were just promised
a Bowl spot. It felt like we were in. Now
that the committee kind of went behind our backs and
because of how faulty there, you know, comparison guidelines are,
we're now left out after thinking for a month and
a half that we were going to be in. I
think that's one spot for me where I I did
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not like seeing that, and I think it's such a
dangerous president that, hey, regardless of if you're playing on
conference championship championship week or not, it's not set in stone.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
So the Texas media tour kind of ends, and we'll
talk about the long Horns and the portal in a moment.
But then this news breaks from Dan Wilkin that Notre
Dame has signed an agreement, a memorandum of understanding that
if they finish top twelve next year and the playoff
doesn't expand, or if they finish top thirteen, if the
playoff expands, and so forth, they're in regardless of conference
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championship ties.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
And now today we're hearing pushback from other.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Schools threatening to ice them out in non conference scheduling.
What in the wild West of college football is going
on here with the Irish.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Look, I know, I just went to bat for Notre Dame,
but this is ridiculous. The idea that there's a handshake
agreement or a verbal agreement with Notre Dame and the
CFP that if they are ranked in a certain spot
that they would be guaranteed a position in the colle
football Playoff. Look, I think that's disingenuous to the sport.
I think it disintegrates a number of the value that
this sport brings in as well. It's ridiculous that they're
(06:56):
getting pampered and getting the preferential treatment that they are.
And I think teams and other conferences, I think there
should conference wide approaches across the country to say, hey,
Notre Dame, it's time, it's time for you to join
one of us, whether it's the ACC, the Big Ten.
Shoot I know that there's been conversations with the SEC
as well. It's time you cannot continue to pick cherry
(07:19):
pick your twelve game schedule and then pretend that, oh,
because we played twelve games regardless, it is on equal
footing as every other team in the country when it
quite simply is not.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
And on the front where Pete Bivaqua is kind of
campaigning on Notre Dame's behalf, he's saying, what you said,
how can Notre Dame in Miami flip spots when neither
of them played? Do you think this means we've seen
the last of the Tuesday night ranking shows and the
gradual kind of reality show reveals that come along the way.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I don't think so, because then I think that would
entail that you're getting a set number of teams per
conference with very precise, measurable you know, requirements or pre
RECs to then determine who goes on to play in
the College Football Playoff. And I think where are aways
from that? Right? You know, in the NFL you can
do that because there's thirty two teams. You can very
(08:13):
clearly determine who wins each conference or each division because
you get to play each other twice. Right, the tiebreakers
are very clear. With how large these conferences are, it's
going to be impossible to determine a very set and
you know, set standard of you know, qualifications for each
conference to have certain tiebreakers. And as a result, you
(08:35):
kind of need, you know, what you would consider to
be non partial, you know, unbiased voices to determine who
then would be the type you know, the tiebreaker for
these teams.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, and I suppose that's the biggest obstacle for folks
who say this is getting more and more like professional sports.
You cover recruiting, you understand the way things work right
now with the money changing hands. Some people say, why
why do we need a committee? We have these these conferences,
why not go to aqs? That bloated conference argument, I
think is the best response to that.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, I think so. Look again, you look at an
A and M season this year. You play everybody in
the bottom half of the conference, and the one team
that you don't play you lose to.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
You won all of.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Your games, and that's great, but there's fair questions to
ask of how talented and how good are you in
regards to the rest of the conference. Ohio State and
Indiana very similar where they weren't tasked with playing a
lot of the upper echelon teams. And then you look
at Texas on the outsides, looking in, right, five teams
you played this year inside the top ten at the time.
(09:36):
Now that is you know, inequitable schedules.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Across the conference is and across.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
College football, and something that I'm sure conference directors and
you know, athletic directors everywhere are starting to look, you know,
much deeper into to say, hey, if it doesn't matter
to the committee, why should it matter to us in
terms of how difficult a schedule it is that we
are scheduling and playing.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Ultimately, Yeah, I mean it's December eleventh and Tech, this is
still Ohio State's best win. Onto the Longhorns. News about
two players dropped today. The first Derek Williams, junior in
the transfer portal, played a big role as a freshman.
What do you make of this news and how do
you see the Longhorns maybe attacking the portal in the secondary?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, first, I think it's unfortunate because you go back
to that twenty twenty three season when he was a
true freshman and you know, towards the back end of
that year, you started to say, oh, Derek Williams, you know,
you're seeing a lot of them. He's playing a lot
and he probably should should play a little bit more. Right,
he was your best cover safety at the time when
Texas was headed to play against Washington College Football Playoff,
(10:40):
and then the ACL injury occurred against Oklahoma in twenty
twenty four, and you know, I don't know if he
ever really got fully backed into being that player that
he was as a true freshman. And that's really where
the unfortunate part is. But you start looking at who
was playing safety when Texas was dinged up in the
back half of the season, you saw more Xavier Phield
submit you saw Jonah Williams. The final two weeks of
this season. It felt to me that Texas was ready
(11:02):
to move into what other options that they had, given
that Derek Williams was still on the roster at the time.
So I think it was set in stone, especially with
the season long development of Joan Williams getting him to
where they felt like they could trust him to put
on the field. That was where where I felt like
the decision was ultimately made.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And then another guy to bring up in the secondary
talking with CJ. Vogel from on Texas Football. Is Wardell
Mack that Will reports this morning that he was into
the transfer portal. Now folks are saying he's staying at Texas.
This is someone that a lot of folks think might
start next season at the star position if Grace and
Littleton were to move.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Look, I know that he was on the practice field
this morning. You know, the Texas Longhorns practice this morning
from what nine to eleven or ten to twelve or
something like that. He was out on the practice field
this morning.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I was told.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Look, news of his portal entry was actually news to him.
So while there is still obviously a month and a
half for him to then enter his name into the portal,
for now he is sticking at Texas. He plans to
practice all the way through and participate in the bulgan.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
When something like this happens, is it a matter of
maybe somebody running with the rumor or is it potentially
for a player like this, someone in their camp doing
something behind their back.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You know, it could be a little bit of both, right,
you know, I know that there are agents vying for
extra money elsewhere, and the best way to create money
for yourself is to create a demand. How do you
create a demand while you enter the NCAA transfer portal
or you know, essentially start rumors that you're going to
insert or enter the NCUBA transfer portal, in which then
your demand increases to retain or to then find yourself
(12:42):
a new home. But for the sake of Wardel mac look,
I think it was again a guy that maybe folks expected,
They got wind of something, and then you know, they
went with it. But until you hear it from him himself,
I think it's safe to assume that he's going to
be on this roster for the rest.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's just one of those months of the season where
I think a lot of fans are kind of afraid.
It's almost like no news is good news right now
when everybody is making their decisions about their future. As
far as this Texas program goes and this young Texas
team goes, what are you going to watch for in
the Citrus Bowl CJ. It still remains one of the
most watchable Bowl games, maybe even more so now with
(13:21):
what's happened off the field at Michigan. What's going to
be keeping your attention most on the field in this game.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you and in the time leading
up to the Citrus Wall, I'll be watching how many
Michigan players opt out or portal, right, you know, because
that's a dumpster fire. I wouldn't want to be playing
right now in the amazing Blue. But on the field, and
for Texas perspective, here, look, I think there's a number
of things. And the first to me is, do we
see Bo Barnes get on the field that linebacker? Right?
Texas has a talented trio. Does Trey More play? His
(13:50):
eligibility is up, he's off to the NFL. We know
that Anthony Hill is off to the league. We don't
expect him to play in the bowl game. This on
December thirty first leaves you Tynathany Smith, Leong Lafal and
bow Barnes. But Tyler Atkinson coming in. Can bow Barnes
establish himself as somebody that can you know, find the
rotation and fend off the talented incoming true freshman. That's
(14:13):
gonna be point one. On top of that, do we
finally start to see some playtime given fifteen extra Bowl
practices for Jamie frinch Acalie Clockett and Michael Terry, the
third Michael Terry right now getting some running back in practice.
That's gonna be really interesting to me when it comes
to how can these guys maximize each and every practice
(14:33):
that they have with this Bowl game coming up.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I won't ask you to speculate things that maybe you
don't know for sure yet, but finish this sentence, don't
be surprised if in the transfer portal Texas does what.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I'll say, adds five offensive linemen. I think that's a stretch.
I think that's a stretch, but I wouldn't be surprised
given what this season looked like. Three is the minimum
for me. I think they could go all the way
up to fivepending on who else ters right now.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Wow, So a complete potential overhaul up front with that group.
And we don't know obviously whether or not Trevor Gooseby
is coming back to play next season. Yet schedule comes
out tonight, nine game sec schedule moving forward. Whether you
like that decision or not, from the Texas perspective, it's happening.
What are you watching for in terms of the way
Texas hopes it shakes out?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, The big thing for me is, you know when
these bye weeks are planted within you know, SEC schedules.
You know, for Texas they were zero and three when
they had an extended amount of time coming off of
a bye, right, and that's Florida, Georgia on the road
and obviously Ohio State to begin the season. Who does
Texas play when they come off of a bye when
they have that extended amount of time? On top of that,
(15:48):
for Texas's opponents, you know, where do the bye weeks
fall for them? Are they able to prepare with an
extra amount of time coming into games? Typically Texas is
able to go into Oklahoma off of a buy this
week and when Oklahoma then by so I'll be really
interested there.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, that's one of the things.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Speaking of Alabama and Oklahoma, who are in the College
Football Playoff playing one another on Friday, they both had
to deal with a lot of rest disadvantages. So talking
more about imbalanced schedules, not only did they face the
top half of the league, they often did it when
the opposing team had either an open week or a
cupcake leading up.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
That's definitely something to watch out for.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Looking again with how big these
conferences are on and I'm excited that Texas is moving
in the SEC, is moving to a nine game schedule
and conference play, but there's still going to be some
schedules that are significantly more favorable, especially with how the
season start to play out than some of the others.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Talking with CJ.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Vogelavon Texas football, last question for you as we transition.
You're gonna hear from Sean Miller a little bit after
the break. What do you see in terms of Texas
men's basketball right now heading into the Yukon game?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Oh, off guard there.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, no basketball. Look to me, it's all about how
does Jordan Pope figure into this offense. Is he a
guy that's facilitating on a single night. Is he a
guy that's looking to create and distribute. If so, Texas
will have a fun night shooting the ball. He's done
a fine job of drawing in defenses and kicking to
an open guy on the perimeter. And when that's the case,
(17:20):
Texas more times than not able to have a good
shooting night. When Jordan Pope is not able to distribute
and create, that's when Texas gets into ruts and they
try to force the ball to modus down low, and
that Ultimately, I know that you just had a hell
of a game on Tuesday, but look against a team
like Yukon, a team like what you'll see in the
in the sec they're gonna have answers for atos and
(17:42):
now you need to be able to create shots from
the from the exterior. And that's something that altogether this
year I've not seen enough consistency with.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
And I think Sean Miller asking for that consistency on
the defensive side of the floor too. Cej, I got
to let you go. Thanks so much for stopping by.
As always, Thanks Greg, thanks for having me on. That's CJ.
Vogel from on Texas Football. Give him a follow on
X at CJ Vogel Underscore OTF. He had some great
fun at Desmond Howard's expense when that Michigan news came
(18:10):
out yesterday. We'll circle back on that a little later
in the program, as promise, we'll shift gears to Texas
men's basketball. And here from Sean Miller in a moment.
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