July 16, 2024 • 9 mins
sigh once again the Horns Down gesture is trending on social media. Craig and Cameron discuss the hand signal and if there will be a penalty for opposing teams in the SEC.
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(00:03):
Pi'sa Texas legend, the Hall ofFame broadcaster, the voice of the Texas
Longhords, and your host of theCraigway Show. Here he is now Craig
Way, happy to come your wayfor hour number two from SEC Football Media
(00:34):
Days here at the Amni Hotel ofDallas. Craig Way alongside the producer Cameron
Parker. Coming up later this hour, pretty crowded hour. Bobby Burton on
Free Football joins us. Old friendof mine, Bobby and I used to
do recruiting television shows together back inthe nineties, and Bobby will join us,
(00:55):
and then later this hour at aroundthree forty the Commune of the Southeastern
Conference, Greg Sankee, will joinus as well, so we'll get to
his thoughts on this new and improvedleague of the Southeastern Conference. So that's
coming up a little bit later onthis hour and the four o'clock hour,
Gene Watson from the Chicago White Soxorganization joins us to look back at the
(01:21):
home run derby, the MLB Draft, and a look ahead to tonight's All
Star Game. We'll get his thoughtson that, so that is all coming
up before we get to Bobby Burtonsome of the other things. This being
day two. Of course, daynumber one, you had the commissioner give
(01:42):
the kind of the general state ofthe Conference address, and Greg Saik you
did that, and then you heardfrom the coaches. Yesterday you heard from
Laane Kiffen at ol miss You heardfrom Brian Kelly at LSU. You heard
(02:04):
from Shane Beemer at South Carolina,and you heard from Clark Lee at Vanderbilt.
Today the coaches, and we'll hearfrom in the four o'clock hour,
we'll hear a little bit from KirbySmart, then coach at Georgia. Also
Brent Venables, the coach at Oklahoma. The other two coaches to speak here
today Josh Hipel, the head coachat Tennessee, and also the head coach
(02:27):
at Missouri, Eli Drinquitz. Andthen tomorrow it'll be Kaitlin de Boor,
the Alabama head coach. Also JeffLevy, the new head coach at Mississippi
State. I believe it is tomorrow. Also tomorrow, obviously Steve Sarkisian for
Texas. And who am I'm leavingnow tomorrow? Is it Florida tomorrow?
(02:52):
I think Florida is Thursday? Okay, all right, now you are correct.
It is Billiyonnapier. Okay, SoBilly Napier the head coach Florida tomorrow
and then on Thursday, mikel COOTexas A and m we'll hear from him.
We'll hear from what Sam Pittman atArkansas. Uh. Hugh Freeze.
(03:17):
Uh am, I I am lookingat everything properly here. Uh Hugh Freeze
and Mark Stoops also it was almostthe yes head coach and it was for
a couple of hours. Yeah,yeah, you're right. Hugh Freeze at
Auburn of course. And then andthen Mark Stoops from Kentucky, so that
that'll be born. Also this morning, this morning, uh, the supervisor
(03:42):
of officials for the Southeastern Conference,John McDavid spoke and he had, uh
this this is something that you hearevery year from wherever you are, and
and it was like this at Bigtwelve football media days as well. So
John McDade is the supervisor of officialsfor the SEC, and you knew it
(04:10):
was going to be a topic ofconversation, and that was the whole thing
about horns down. And you couldprobably tell from Cameron's response early on that
it has wearied, you a bithesitant. I think it's weird the Texas
fan base, the Texas coaches,players, and even US media folk.
(04:33):
Course, I didn't even think itwas a discussion that even needed to begin
with with the horns down penalty,I don't I have never found it offensive.
I don't think players or coaches reallyfind it offenses. Sure, when
Will Greer does it to beat youin overtime, yeah you're going to get,
you know, pissed off about it. But he could have done any
hand gesture and you would have takenoffense to it. That's just the heat
(04:54):
of the moment. Outside of that, I don't think anybody has an issue
with it. And it feels likeevery single media day for the past three
four years, whether it was theSEC or the Big Twelve, there's always
a discussion about horns down, andpeople on Twitter and social media all Josha's
fans like, I can't believe.It's not us, it's not Texas fans,
(05:15):
it's people in the media asking thesequestions about a question that still should
not even be asked, because,as Hard and I talked about this morning,
who cares about hornsdown? Who caresexactly so John McDade, supervisor of
officials the Southeastern Conference, was askedin the media in the meeting this morning
(05:36):
about would horns down be penalized.Is it, in the viewpoint of football
officials, a foul worthy of afifteen yard unsportsmanlike penalty? The playing really
would be applicable. It's unsportsman likecontact. We're going to read the context
in which side way which it isdone. I asked my officials to use
(05:58):
judgment of is it taunting an opponent? Is it making a travesty of the
game, or is it otherwise affectingour ability to manage the game? A
travisy of the game is something thatoffends the census. Right, take the
act out of a football stadium,go put it in a shopping mall,
in a grocery store. Is itsomething that would offend the senses of the
majority of reasonable people in the area. Right? Giving this signal to me
(06:21):
isn't offensive? Right? And thatparticular contest, So let's go back on
the field. Do you have aplayer that's giving it. Is it tawning
an opponent or is it making thetravesity of the game. If an opponent
of Texas, we score a touchdownand in celebration with the teammates going back
up the sideline, they're giving thesignal. That's not an issue. We
(06:42):
have that already in the Southeast ofConference. We have teams that have things
like the Gator chump, the thingslike the short thin for the defense where
that thing has been done, andover the years we evaluate it. Is
it taunting, Is it making atrap see the game? Is it otherwise
affecting our ability to advantage game advances? Know that it's not a fault.
Look now the tackles and stands rightover them. He gives it. Now
(07:04):
we've got talk that would Yeah,I think that's a pretty clean, clear
explanation of it, and we canjust let it go. It's that it's
the difference between somebody flashing something andtaunting. The problem is there's taunting on
the field, which is rare butdoes happen from the time to time,
(07:27):
and that is different than taunting inthe stands where the dude next to you
is giving you horns down right inyour face. Okay, that's fine,
that's up to you and how youhandle it. But that has nothing to
do with the game and should notbe penalized as such. Now, as
John McDade said, if it's rightthere in the face of the player after
a tackle or whatever, and you'restanding over or you're doing something like that,
(07:49):
different issue. Different issue. AndI know some people that don't even
think taunting itself should be penalized allthat, but that comes from I'm a
higher level university presidents and things likethat. They want more decorum in the
game and don't want that kind ofbehavior in the game. So then it's
(08:09):
extrapolated out to specific instances. Isthat taunting? Is that taunting? You
know? It's like the old onceof the Supreme Court judge it said,
I can't define pornography, but Iknow it when I see it, you
know, I mean, is itreally taunting? But I thought that was
a pretty clean, you know,explanation of what taunting was all about.
(08:31):
It does, and I think asa Texas fan, I'm relieved that it's
not a penalty and less the situationright dictate it, which of course is
possible. Again if a player,you know, makes a tackle and then
we'll step over the player Alan Irisonover Tyron Louse style and flashes the horn
down. Sure, but also Craigwhen when you watch sports nowadays, and
(08:52):
this goes from all levels, itfeels like after every single play, someone
is celebrating something. Right, Yeah, it didn't used to be that way.
I mean it the first quarter abasketball game, make a lap and
they're making a show of it goingon the under court. I'm okay with
Ton team because maybe it will limitall of these stupid celebrations from athletes in
these games. Don't celebrate until afteryou win or you score a touchdown.
(09:13):
Yeah that's my that's my boomer rant. There you go. All right,
Okay. Coming up next, we'llvisit with Bobby Burton on three Football to
talk football recruiting and how this newday and age and time in the SEC
for Texas the types of effects ithas with regard to recruiting. We'll continue
them. We continue here from SECFootball Media Days in Dallas at the Ami
(09:37):
Hotel and heard right here on SportsRadio Ium thirteen under the Zone in the
IR Radio app.
Pi'sa Texas legend, the Hall ofFame broadcaster, the voice of the Texas
Longhords, and your host of theCraigway Show. Here he is now Craig
Way, happy to come your wayfor hour number two from SEC Football Media
(00:34):
Days here at the Amni Hotel ofDallas. Craig Way alongside the producer Cameron
Parker. Coming up later this hour, pretty crowded hour. Bobby Burton on
Free Football joins us. Old friendof mine, Bobby and I used to
do recruiting television shows together back inthe nineties, and Bobby will join us,
(00:55):
and then later this hour at aroundthree forty the Commune of the Southeastern
Conference, Greg Sankee, will joinus as well, so we'll get to
his thoughts on this new and improvedleague of the Southeastern Conference. So that's
coming up a little bit later onthis hour and the four o'clock hour,
Gene Watson from the Chicago White Soxorganization joins us to look back at the
(01:21):
home run derby, the MLB Draft, and a look ahead to tonight's All
Star Game. We'll get his thoughtson that, so that is all coming
up before we get to Bobby Burtonsome of the other things. This being
day two. Of course, daynumber one, you had the commissioner give
(01:42):
the kind of the general state ofthe Conference address, and Greg Saik you
did that, and then you heardfrom the coaches. Yesterday you heard from
Laane Kiffen at ol miss You heardfrom Brian Kelly at LSU. You heard
(02:04):
from Shane Beemer at South Carolina,and you heard from Clark Lee at Vanderbilt.
Today the coaches, and we'll hearfrom in the four o'clock hour,
we'll hear a little bit from KirbySmart, then coach at Georgia. Also
Brent Venables, the coach at Oklahoma. The other two coaches to speak here
today Josh Hipel, the head coachat Tennessee, and also the head coach
(02:27):
at Missouri, Eli Drinquitz. Andthen tomorrow it'll be Kaitlin de Boor,
the Alabama head coach. Also JeffLevy, the new head coach at Mississippi
State. I believe it is tomorrow. Also tomorrow, obviously Steve Sarkisian for
Texas. And who am I'm leavingnow tomorrow? Is it Florida tomorrow?
(02:52):
I think Florida is Thursday? Okay, all right, now you are correct.
It is Billiyonnapier. Okay, SoBilly Napier the head coach Florida tomorrow
and then on Thursday, mikel COOTexas A and m we'll hear from him.
We'll hear from what Sam Pittman atArkansas. Uh. Hugh Freeze.
(03:17):
Uh am, I I am lookingat everything properly here. Uh Hugh Freeze
and Mark Stoops also it was almostthe yes head coach and it was for
a couple of hours. Yeah,yeah, you're right. Hugh Freeze at
Auburn of course. And then andthen Mark Stoops from Kentucky, so that
that'll be born. Also this morning, this morning, uh, the supervisor
(03:42):
of officials for the Southeastern Conference,John McDavid spoke and he had, uh
this this is something that you hearevery year from wherever you are, and
and it was like this at Bigtwelve football media days as well. So
John McDade is the supervisor of officialsfor the SEC, and you knew it
(04:10):
was going to be a topic ofconversation, and that was the whole thing
about horns down. And you couldprobably tell from Cameron's response early on that
it has wearied, you a bithesitant. I think it's weird the Texas
fan base, the Texas coaches,players, and even US media folk.
(04:33):
Course, I didn't even think itwas a discussion that even needed to begin
with with the horns down penalty,I don't I have never found it offensive.
I don't think players or coaches reallyfind it offenses. Sure, when
Will Greer does it to beat youin overtime, yeah you're going to get,
you know, pissed off about it. But he could have done any
hand gesture and you would have takenoffense to it. That's just the heat
(04:54):
of the moment. Outside of that, I don't think anybody has an issue
with it. And it feels likeevery single media day for the past three
four years, whether it was theSEC or the Big Twelve, there's always
a discussion about horns down, andpeople on Twitter and social media all Josha's
fans like, I can't believe.It's not us, it's not Texas fans,
(05:15):
it's people in the media asking thesequestions about a question that still should
not even be asked, because,as Hard and I talked about this morning,
who cares about hornsdown? Who caresexactly so John McDade, supervisor of
officials the Southeastern Conference, was askedin the media in the meeting this morning
(05:36):
about would horns down be penalized.Is it, in the viewpoint of football
officials, a foul worthy of afifteen yard unsportsmanlike penalty? The playing really
would be applicable. It's unsportsman likecontact. We're going to read the context
in which side way which it isdone. I asked my officials to use
(05:58):
judgment of is it taunting an opponent? Is it making a travesty of the
game, or is it otherwise affectingour ability to manage the game? A
travisy of the game is something thatoffends the census. Right, take the
act out of a football stadium,go put it in a shopping mall,
in a grocery store. Is itsomething that would offend the senses of the
majority of reasonable people in the area. Right? Giving this signal to me
(06:21):
isn't offensive? Right? And thatparticular contest, So let's go back on
the field. Do you have aplayer that's giving it. Is it tawning
an opponent or is it making thetravesity of the game. If an opponent
of Texas, we score a touchdownand in celebration with the teammates going back
up the sideline, they're giving thesignal. That's not an issue. We
(06:42):
have that already in the Southeast ofConference. We have teams that have things
like the Gator chump, the thingslike the short thin for the defense where
that thing has been done, andover the years we evaluate it. Is
it taunting, Is it making atrap see the game? Is it otherwise
affecting our ability to advantage game advances? Know that it's not a fault.
Look now the tackles and stands rightover them. He gives it. Now
(07:04):
we've got talk that would Yeah,I think that's a pretty clean, clear
explanation of it, and we canjust let it go. It's that it's
the difference between somebody flashing something andtaunting. The problem is there's taunting on
the field, which is rare butdoes happen from the time to time,
(07:27):
and that is different than taunting inthe stands where the dude next to you
is giving you horns down right inyour face. Okay, that's fine,
that's up to you and how youhandle it. But that has nothing to
do with the game and should notbe penalized as such. Now, as
John McDade said, if it's rightthere in the face of the player after
a tackle or whatever, and you'restanding over or you're doing something like that,
(07:49):
different issue. Different issue. AndI know some people that don't even
think taunting itself should be penalized allthat, but that comes from I'm a
higher level university presidents and things likethat. They want more decorum in the
game and don't want that kind ofbehavior in the game. So then it's
(08:09):
extrapolated out to specific instances. Isthat taunting? Is that taunting? You
know? It's like the old onceof the Supreme Court judge it said,
I can't define pornography, but Iknow it when I see it, you
know, I mean, is itreally taunting? But I thought that was
a pretty clean, you know,explanation of what taunting was all about.
(08:31):
It does, and I think asa Texas fan, I'm relieved that it's
not a penalty and less the situationright dictate it, which of course is
possible. Again if a player,you know, makes a tackle and then
we'll step over the player Alan Irisonover Tyron Louse style and flashes the horn
down. Sure, but also Craigwhen when you watch sports nowadays, and
(08:52):
this goes from all levels, itfeels like after every single play, someone
is celebrating something. Right, Yeah, it didn't used to be that way.
I mean it the first quarter abasketball game, make a lap and
they're making a show of it goingon the under court. I'm okay with
Ton team because maybe it will limitall of these stupid celebrations from athletes in
these games. Don't celebrate until afteryou win or you score a touchdown.
(09:13):
Yeah that's my that's my boomer rant. There you go. All right,
Okay. Coming up next, we'llvisit with Bobby Burton on three Football to
talk football recruiting and how this newday and age and time in the SEC
for Texas the types of effects ithas with regard to recruiting. We'll continue
them. We continue here from SECFootball Media Days in Dallas at the Ami
(09:37):
Hotel and heard right here on SportsRadio Ium thirteen under the Zone in the
IR Radio app.
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