August 21, 2025 • 29 mins
Chance the Rapper stopped by the Cruz Show to talk about his new album Starline. He took a deep dive into his lyrical content, talked about his Dad, 2Pac, Tyler the Creator, I.C.E. & so much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
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Let's go, Let's go. Intro by Nico Blitz Right, Blitz
the greatest man.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
That means a lot. Crazy right, saying that means that
just made me feel some emotions. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
That's right, that's why that that's how it should feel.
And his cousin you're his favorite rapper is here too.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yea love man.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yeah, I feel so love today.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I got Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
Oh, here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
The first love man. That what feels good to be
to be perspect also expect.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Also one more thing about my family too. So my
sister and my brother in law, they had their nephew
a couple of years ago, their son a couple of
years ago, my nephew, and they actually named him Chancellor
because of you.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Hey what yeah, yo bro crazy right.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
That's actually the first time I've ever heard that. I've
heard some people naming their kids chance but to name
them my actual name whit of people don't even know
my name is Chancellor.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
No one's ever said that to you.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Nobody's every Chancellor after me first time.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Yeah, god bless, that's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, star line is out, man, Congratulations, six years in
to make it it's safe to say, right, it feels congratulations.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
I love how Pops is part of the promo team.
Yeah percent.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But he's been part of the promo team yeah day one,
since day one. On Speed of Love. You said, me
and my dad burnt them CDs one.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
At a time. Man.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
So when I was I first got out of high school,
I put out my project. It was called ten Day
and uh, me and my dad used to butt hairs
a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And when I say butt hands, I mean he used
to punch me in the chest a lot forgetting this
trouble and for and for just being like you know
I was.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
I was just as uh creative and like different and
hardheaded then as I am now. And he it wasn't
until I had like this life changing event that you know,
my dad started to I guess reevaluate our relationship and
he became super super involved and you know, trying to
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help me figure out how I was gonna, you know,
achieve some of these goals I had. And one of
the things that he really, you know, blessed me with
was understanding street team and the understanding hand in hand.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
And so he used to.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
Burn the CDs of ten Day and write on them
in sharpie market in the middle of the night, all night.
The line specifically says, uh the beauty of a sharpie
in the moonlight. The writing was baroke, the speed was
cartoon like. He used to sit and just write my
name all night, one at a time, though like not
disc makers, like sitting there windows media player on his
(02:49):
job computer, burning my CDs that I would then go
out on the street, you know, pass out and stuff.
So n to this day he still is my you know,
that's my source.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I saw I'm at the beach pushing the CD in
his kakis and made me, this is my son.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
We're out here, we're supporting his new album.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I was out of town when they did that, and
I had no idea.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Like we were very conscious about doing street team and
hand in hand in the CDs, making sure that we
get out to the people, don't just do a bunch
of billboards and like expect people, but like meet people
today on and that's how you get the stories. That's
how you meet people and get to know their connection
to the music. And I was out of town. I
think I was doing my own promo run in New York.
I was street teaming too, and then they my dad
(03:29):
said me.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
In this video. He's like, you care if I post this?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Son?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I'm like, oh, what is this gonna be?
Speaker 6 (03:33):
And I'm watched it as my dad on the beach
with sneakers and jeans on, kneeling down in the sand,
you know, explaining how important this project is to somebody
and saying, I'm proud to be Chance the rappers father.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I'm getting emotional.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yeah, it's real deal, man.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
It was beautiful and we're blessed to have fathers, you know,
Garcia and we talk about that all the time, because
his father wasn't necessarily there, but that made him a.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Great father, a man not having this fun.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
My dad's father wasn't in his life, and I think
that's what gave him. That's he'll he'll tell you like,
that's what gave him the power to be the father
that he was because he wanted to be the opposite
of his dad and.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Every my dad was there? But was he?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Question?
Speaker 5 (04:16):
He was there? But was he? But really was he?
Like he was there the fucking he was there to
beat my ass?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
But he was there, I guess signed me up for
football and then said I was no good at it.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
All good, all good.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Sorry man, listening to your album, I get emotional too, Man,
you're getting emotional.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, I'm crying right now.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
You know what I appreciate about Starline is you know,
and this is this is what the most respect ever. Right,
you didn't take no crazy risks. Right, you didn't go goofy,
you didn't. You kept it.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Chance the rapper, the chance the rapper we know and appreciate. Right.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
What's funny to me is like, I think this is
one of those projects where every day is going to
get better. I think every day that somebody takes an
opportunity to listen to it, especially by yourself or the
headphones or on a drive, you'll start to like see
things in there that you just can't get on the
first couple of listens. And I think what is different
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about this project from any other projects is the level
of intention that went into each lyric, into the content
of each of the songs and so even the songs
that feel like they're really fun, Like a lot of
people really love Ride that's the second track, a lot
of people really love Drape Domania with Baby Chief doing.
When you sit down and you read those lyrics, you'll
be like, oh, this is this is radical, and this
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is and it's educational and it's informative, and it's also
still at the end of the day, is fun and
it feels good to turn up. You feel strength from it.
And I think all my lyrics have always been introspective.
They've all been you know, also a certain worldview of
what I think is right or wrong in the world.
But this is like, I think the first time that
I really really did everything I could with my pen
(05:59):
to get my point across and not just one point,
but multiple perspectives around anything.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
No, you got to it and start line you got
to it lyrics.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Like so many times because I feel like I missed
that ship and I don't want to miss it. But
you know, the corrupt on you know, this town is
like the dog Pound. It is corrupt.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I appreciate that shout out to do yeah, dog pound.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Wordplay is my thing.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
And I actually used to be in a program when
I was a kid after school program called wordplay, and
that's where a lot of my friends that got on
Vic Mensa, no.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Name, uh, Jamilla Woods, Saba.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
A lot of us grew up in these after school
programs like word playing, uh lyricist, loft and stuff, where
we had to get up and like perform a.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
New piece every week, wow, in front of our peers.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
And sometimes it'll be two hundred kids, sometimes it'll be
you know, ten kids. But we had to get up
with that same level of fervor and that same level
of intention around our words from a young age. And
so I think all of us are like well equipped
to like take on some of these loftier topics and
some of these like bigger moments when it comes to songwriting.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Can I tell you the moment I became a fan
of you? Yeah, I didn't smoke at this time, but
in twenty thirteen when you're talking now though, man, I'm
smoking now, god brow. But but when you when you
drop smoke again, right. The line that got me was
when you said lean along the square. That's what a
fucking wrong, I said, bro, people, that is crazy.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
I love wordplay, I love like and I think what
I did really well with this album is that it's
a lot more. It's a lot of different literary devices
that like maybe I didn't utilize as much when I
was coming into it, because like you said, like you
know a certain level of it when you were a kid,
not when a kid, but you know what I'm saying,
nineteen twenty twenty one, like and twenty you know, twenty
three when I made Coloring Book, Like there's still like
(07:51):
a level of adventure and just like fun and like
goofiness and like freedom, freedom, And I think now I'm
thirty two, I got two kids. You know what I'm saying,
The world is going to shit, and it feels like
there's a more. There's an important job and being a
writer or a historian or a documentarian that you are
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naturally you have to be as a rapper. When you
record something, you put it out in the world, you
publish it, it's gonna be spun the same way with
the same words forever, and so you have to be
careful and be you know, intentional, and be brave with
your words.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, and how you're gonna be that vessel for everyone
else facts, I think no more.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Old Man really says that that's my best song. Yeah,
and I really like you felt the song.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
You know, you can hear the story very clearly.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Yoh, thank you man. Yeah, that song that actually, that
is my best song. That's the best song I've written it.
And it actually comes a lot of these songs and
ideas come from other literary works, whether it's poetry, you know, uh, theater, literature, whatever.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Like, there's like a lot of like references to other stuff.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
And that song is actually based on a poem by
my cousin, Tanikia Carpenter.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
It's an amazing poet. She had this, this poem. I think it's.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Uh, I think it's Chicago with no More Granddads or
the day It's something, but it's it's the exact same
concept and a much shorter piece, but it like it
changed me. She made this, I think a couple of
years ago, and at that moment, I knew I want
to create the same moment in music, and I was
blessed enough to like work with Jamila Woods and Dark
Child produced it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
That's one of the reasons why it knocks the way
it does. Legendary shout out to Rodney Drake is like Michael,
He's the greatest man.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
He spent time with me.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
We actually made like ten tracks, but that was the
one that I was like, yeah, we're gonna get back
to work, but that one, that one is my best
written song. And I perfectly I think, you know, describe
the importance of some of the boyhood lessons that you
learn in spaces that's just around men. And I think
(09:55):
like there's certain things that I learned being in the
barbershop as a kid with my dad from some older
men that aren't around anymore, and that life expectancy has
just dropped more and more for multitude or reasons out there. Man,
But that but that that's needed, Like you need a
gray haired I've been through it all.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
You need you need a no G in your life.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
That's That's the song I feel like perfectly described some
of the lessons that we learned and the ones that
we lost.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Age is success. If you make it to a certain age,
you have succeeded.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Those gray hairs that are like a signal that I've
been here and I've been through it all.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And I feel like on a level of just like
attacking a concept.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
I always write my songs after I come up with
a title, or at the very least i've heard the concept.
It's usually concept and title maybe titled, which still is
coming from a concept.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Drape Domania, for example, Like.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
A lot of people like this record because it's lit
sturnt up, it's got a crazy baby Chief do It verse,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
But it's also like once people sit.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
With it for a while and maybe just google the
word drape domania and find out what that means and
contextualize the song within that, they'll be like, oh, and
I think that that's like the beauty of writing with
intention and writing with a concept or title first, because
if I just go to the mic or just go
to the pen and be like, I'm gonna just see
(11:19):
what rhyme's best and say that I'm the best, inn like,
we're not gonna get nowhere.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
But when I have writing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
But Drape Domania was four different songs before it got
to the one that would Baby Chief Do It and
probably like six or seven different verses, but four different beats,
three different genres of kinds of beats in six years. Man,
That's why it takes a crazy chance but basically, drape
domania is a is a pseudo scientific meaning like fake
(11:48):
science diagnosis in the late eighteen hundreds that they used
to ascribe to constant runaway slaves. So they would say,
if you were trying to leave the plantation, that something
must be wrong with your brain. You got draptomania and
that concept of like you you got to be crazy
to think that you could be free. And the rage
(12:09):
that also is induced by feeling like I'm stuck in
some sort of system or stuck under some sort of
label is all the energy that I wanted to put
in the song. And so I have all these different
iterations of the same idea and the same concept before
you get to draked domania that you know, people love
and people are doing the rush.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Hour dance to what I'm saying, and that's feeling. But
the more you sit, the more you learn.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Yeah, in your thirties, have you been called og or unk?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I got called unk recently. I was on the game The.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Game You're just talking about this right before you walked in,
because Nico and you are the same age. I was like,
you know, you're getting close to unk.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Right, and then You're like, I got like ten nephews.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
So it's like but also I'm like really learning to
like respect my craft is something that does get better
with age, And you get to see that with Clips,
you get to see that with Kendrick, you get to
see that with so many artists. If you could see
that with everybody that that cares about their pin and
like it's consistently writing from a conceptual level and for
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and still keeping that movement though, like you, you don't
ever want to get to a point where you're preachy.
And that's what I really love about this album is
like there's all these incredible concepts in it, but as
you listen to it, you can't help but move to it.
And so I'm like really starting to just respect the
fact that, like when I am fifty, I might be
writing the greatest raps I ever wrote, because I'm getting
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older and getting more perspective and getting more more and
more respect for the craft.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
What kind of feedback do you get or do you
appreciate about The Highs and the Lows?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I love that people, you get it much doing it?
Have no idea, no vaping.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
You know, the I think The Highs and the Lows
was such a you know a big part of this
whole story. And what I love is that people get it.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
You know.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
It's about the cyclical, you know, feeling that comes with
with joy and you know, and heartbreak, like it's it's
always gonna be the next one right after. And so
coming to terms with the fact that yes, these times
is hard, but there'll be better times tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
And yes these.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Times are good, but eventually it'll get hard again, is like,
you know, that's kind of the concept throughout the whole album.
And when I made that song, I was in this
in this time period where I was learning a lot
from visual artists. I was spending a lot of time
with painters, photographer, sculptors, designers, like people from all over
the world and going and spending time in these different communities.
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I spent a lot of time in a kragana, a
lot of time in Jamaica, But when I made The
Highs and the Lows, I was spending a lot of
time in Paris and in Venice, Italy and just around
these like incredible artists who really really know how to
communicate ideas, like they know how to take an emotion
or an issue or you know whatever craft and really
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like give it to you from all angles, and so
I like just spending time with them and just being
in conversation being like, oh, I never thought about it
like that, or I never would have worded it like that.
Really like influenced me. So shout out to Yanas David Gabinga.
He's an amazing photographer from Gabone that went out and
just like spent time with me learning certain concepts and
teaching me certain concepts that I.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Think it goes through the whole album.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
That attention to detail, that attention to like one line
on any given song you could break down for a
good hour, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I think that's why we appreciate Tyler Creator so much,
too right, because of his visuals and his attention to detail.
Even though he says I just did this and that
and it came out great. Fuck that I don't believe that,
and you know it and you dig deep.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
No, he's a creative visionary And I think, like, I
don't ever really get to talk about Tyler that often.
That's the first time I feel like I've even been
asked about him in an interview. Boom when I was
when I was still in high school, was when that
our future movement started. I was probably a junior or
sophomore in high school and really seeing Earl Who's about
to drop next week? You know, like that that like
really opened my eyes to like how different I could be,
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how much intention could put into the lyrics because he
is a lyricist, And then from Tyler, like how important
and how crazy you could go with the visuals and
them as a unit and all of our future Like
really in a lot of ways, I think birthed a
lot of cruise, especially in Chicago, like we saw that
our future movement, and we we was doing save money
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as a click.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
We was just fighting and stealing.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
And then at that point I was like, wait, we
freestyle all the time, like we should should collectively be
trying to push towards a movement with a name. And
so I always like just super respected Tyler's vision for
all of the people around him.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
For how he builds his music videos, for how he.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
Builds his albums out into these conceptual eras with like
you know, certain like like fashion or certain like just
things that like give you a whole world that like
contextualizes the music. I think I was really trying to
do that with star Line, especially with the music I
released in the past few years. You do that, man,
just making people feel like, Oh, this is what you're
rapping about. Okay, this is what you're rapping out. Okay,
(17:14):
I understand. Like I think a lot of my fans
because of stuff like Highs and the Lows. Yeah, I
know the three three hundred and thirty three song about
you know how many fans are buying tickets to my shows.
Like I gave a good context of the world that
I was going to be diving into when I got
to the album. I think that's why some of the
fans are so in love with it, and the people
that haven't heard it, even if they don't have that context,
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now they love the album enough to go back and
then now they're discovering music that kind of sets up everything.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
The power of the shout out on the radio is
legendary right to this day. You got to look into
that camera and talk to Tyler and say, we working, dog,
fuck that we're doing this.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Hey, you said we working? Are you working? I'm working
you Oh, we're working. Yeah. I would work with Tyler.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Yeah, Tyler, were working out in this your city. I
would love to work with you. Dog and we will
work as Yeah, I want to be there too.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I need to ask you I saw on your Twitter
last year. I need to know have you watched Menace
to Society?
Speaker 6 (18:12):
I never saw Minutes to Society crazy, but that's not true.
I've seen parts of it. I've seen the part at
the end where where he gets shot, and i've seen
spoiler alert.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Sorry. Sorry, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
I was like, I've seen it on BT a bunch
of times, so you know, I'm not really paying Yeah,
and I've seen, like, you know, the scene in the
like convenience store and there's the double burger with cheese.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I think it's from that too.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
So I know all the like cultural sitting watching feel
Sorry for your mother.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I don't know if I've seen that part.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, yeah, legend Sorry.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
And I'm seeing it.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Have y'all seen all right the ones I've seen. I'm saying,
Boys in the Hood, Okay, I've seen baby Boy, I've
seen Peoples. I feel like, no, I don't eve want
to say that. I was gonna say i've seen it south Central,
but I feel like I've only seen that in parts two.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Legendary.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
I'm just trying to think of the classic like nineties
West Coast movie American.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, you know part of American, okay me.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Part part of it is in prison, yep, I have
that's my LOOKI that's my little brother's favorite movie. That's
my little brother's favorite movie. When he sees this, he's gonna.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Be like, Nigga, that's what I told you. You're gonna
talk to the Mexicans.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You're gonna watch blood In and Blood Out too.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
I've heard of that.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
What's blood and blood Out?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Blood and blood Out is like like yeah, shp like.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
And it's on Disney Plus.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Yes, but it's some real trollo ship.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
I'm trying to I'm trying to learn black and what
do they say black and brown pride in the sets?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Yeah, that's what you mentioned. Poking the album too.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, a lot of.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Times he's you know, I saw a documentary a couple
of years ago. To me, it's the single greatest documentary
I ever seen. It's called Dear Mama, And everything from
the storytelling to the facing, to the archival footage and
especially the sound design and how they work, you know,
these reimaginings of pox records into the into the movie after.
I just think it's like the greatest documentary ever. But
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what's really really cool about it is that it subversive
and that you think it's gonna be a Tupac documentary,
but it's really a documentary about his mother and all
the ways she impressed upon the world and how he
was carrying on our lineage and how they have these
weird like like like the courthouses that they were tried in,
the prisons that he you know, that he was in,
how they have all these crazy connections. His mother was
(20:33):
just like, you know, really the truth. She basically started
the patient Bill of Rights that we use to this day.
She was a black panther. She represented herself and is
the black panther nine I can't remember, but like represent
herself in several other black So I just like, I'm
super you know, grateful just for Tupac's story and the
success and the and the messaging that he was able
(20:53):
to put out there. And so I got a line
on drape Domania, which I told you was already about
crazy niggas being free, where I say, I say, uh,
Tiffany Chain in a blue box four one k in
a blue four one K in a shoe box. My
favorite rapper named Tupac. I love Tupac because he shot
two cops. I got a nine millimeter call thug life.
(21:15):
I got a new chain and say fuck Ice. And
I get that from Pac, Like I feel like the
radical the ability to use your words like a sword
and like and speak freely, and to speak for people
that don't have necessarily as loud of a voice. It's like,
those are all things that I learned from from Tupac,
whom my mother made me listen to it. She didn't
have to make me, but she put me on at
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a very young age.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
She had it on, so there you were.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
She had the cassettes.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, man, the cassettes legendary. Yeah, you mentioned right, the
fuck Ice, right? And Chicago got mad Latinos out there too, right,
And I'm sure you've seen these raids.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
It's disgusting.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
I think we're just in a in a space where
people are afraid to, I guess, really.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Fight the system.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
You know what I'm saying, Like, this is a country
that's actually built on bloody revolutions, and you know what
I'm saying, radical thought and self determination. And sometimes I
think we make that such a historic thing or such
a like you know, in the past kind of thing
that we forget that. Like we're a country built on,
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you know, fighting the system and fighting the power.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Anyone, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
So Chicago, like you said, has a huge, one of
the largest Latino populations in the country, and we're very
very like you know, we're a sanctuary city, where a
city that's just built on, you.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Know, pride of multiple cultures.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
And there's a Mexican radio station out there. That's how
you know, there's Mexican.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
What's what's I think it's called hoy Like that's like
our biggest newspaper.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Today. Yeah, so like.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
We that's right, big homie.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
But we I think we're just in a place where
people sometimes feel helpless and they don't know, you know,
how to fight. And what I always say is like
I think we all have two parts, right, We have
our physical bodies and we have.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Our heavenly gifts.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
And so I think everybody has a gift that they
was given that they have to use to fulfill their
purpose in God. My voice and my pen is my gift,
you know. And then on the other side there's my
physical body, and one day I'm going to have to
give my physical body to the revolution.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I hope it's not soon. I got young kids.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
But in both parts, I think every human is responsible
for applying both sides of them.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
And so whatever work.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
It is that you do, whatever skill it is that
you do, whatever platform that you have, you have to
use it for the voiceless. And at some point your
body's going to be a part of this revolution as well.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It's late in the game. It's that we're at the
falla empire right now.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
So you know, I would say being in Chicago and
being growing up in those after school programs. I was
telling you about those poetry we were fourteen years old,
rocking kafias and saying free Palestine.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
That's how we grew up like we are.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
We are radical children that just happen to be in
our thirties now. And so when it comes time for
each one of us to put out a body of work,
especially at this time, we have to use our heavenly gifts.
And when the time comes, everybody's going to have to
use their bodies.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
That's wow, this is for you, man. We did a
short run of these. Go ahead and show the camera
let them.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Know I got a new shirt. It's say fuck.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah me crazy right yeah me? Yeah Man, that shit
is crazy. What's going on out there? I hope it fits.
It's a large, it might be too big. Rocket, it
might shrink so rocket Rocket and were back tour in October,
Yes eighty.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I'm here at the play in October twenty.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
It was crazy.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
My first show in LA was in twenty twelve and
I was opening up for Donald Glover at the time
Child's Bean bro and he brought me on tour because
of my ten Day mixtape. His publicist got it when
I performed it south By, and he asked me to
come and fill in a couple of dates, and then
eventually it was like you should just finish out the
whole tour with me, probably because I was cheap, but
also because I'm good.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, also good brood, good line.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
But I think it's just a beautiful thing to be
coming back to LA and being in that space and
it feels like, you know, there's just a there's just
an incredible amount of love that I've been receiving, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
And I saw you Hotwood Bowl and it was like
I've never seen some shit like yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
My show is pretty good.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
I won't I can never like deny that, and it's
a great lot to me. Like that's probably why I'm
a good performance is because performing is good for me,
Like it's it's I always use this metaphor that, Like
I don't know if you've ever seen the end of
Kill Bill Too, but he you know, Bill does the
monologue about spider Man and Batman versus Superman, and how
spider Man and Batman got to use their technology and
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their suits to become that alter.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Ego that's a superhero.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Whereas Superman puts on his glasses and it's tied as
his disguise, and whenever he takes that off, he's his
real self. And that's how I feel on stage, is
like I feel like when I'm walking around in real life,
even when I'm on microphones, like right now, like I'm
a little subdued version of myself. I'm a little bit
in disguise. But once I get on stage without body
for you, it's just me.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I get to be myself.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Yeah he's still smoking or just vaping.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I don't smoke cigarettes anymore.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Yeah, well this is awful, So don't let us be
a jewel commercial.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
This is a jewel.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
This is terrible for you, and I cannot. I'm really
trying to.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
No, I know, I know it's tough.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
It's tough course, and I talk about that all the time,
like it's just an addiction, you know.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
And I think what it used to be is like
when you got the like when they used to have
like the nicotine gum and the nicotam patches.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
It was like a system, a regiment. It like Okay,
this day you take three.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
And then tomorrow you take to it. And this is
just like nicotine juice that you're just going by more
and more of.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And no, I hate it.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's the devil's work.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
It's working. I know, you got to run. But Space
and Time is crazy, thank you man, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Man, Yeah, that's that's you know.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
I teeter back and forth between calling no moral men
and Space and Time my most well written songs and
Space and Time. You know, it's beautiful, beautiful because it's vulnerable.
It's based on a true story. It's you know, my
most poetic version of you know, how my how my
life went you know, through marriage and post But what
(27:35):
I really really love and I love on all the
songs is the use of of allegory or illusion, And
this song pulls a lot from the odyssey, Homer's Odyssey
and basically the story of this dude going out on
this voyage, on this adventure in search of something and
then realizing the most important thing is left at home
(27:57):
and really trying to get back home. And so I
really loved that the song. You know, it feels like
like an epic. So I feel like I try and
like look at each of the songs, you know, for
what they are, what their genre is.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
But this song feels like a great story, just a
great story to be told. I love that I've gotten
such a great response from that. Thank you man.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
My son he's eight years old, my son Cam. He
walks around saying, gun in your purse. Look at me,
Like what.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
The I told you? Just ride a course music.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Man.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
I'm saying, shout out to all the women with the gun,
and they pers shoutout.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
You know what I'm saying, Joy and Chamar, all.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Star line, chance to Raper, Congratulations, salute I got.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
He shout out the website, shout out the shout out
to my website.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
Hey, if you want to get my stuff, you got
to get it directly from me. Chance My Stuff is
a Chance Stuff dot com. You can get a CD,
you get some merched. That's how you support independent artists.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
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Speaker 1 (29:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
You three chancel rappers on the Cruise Show. Let's get it,
Let's go, Let's go. Intro by Nico Blitz Right, Blitz
the greatest man.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
That means a lot. Crazy right, saying that means that
just made me feel some emotions. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
That's right, that's why that that's how it should feel.
And his cousin you're his favorite rapper is here too.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yea love man.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yeah, I feel so love today.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I got Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
Oh, here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
The first love man. That what feels good to be
to be perspect also expect.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Also one more thing about my family too. So my
sister and my brother in law, they had their nephew
a couple of years ago, their son a couple of
years ago, my nephew, and they actually named him Chancellor
because of you.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Hey what yeah, yo bro crazy right.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
That's actually the first time I've ever heard that. I've
heard some people naming their kids chance but to name
them my actual name whit of people don't even know
my name is Chancellor.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
No one's ever said that to you.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Nobody's every Chancellor after me first time.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Yeah, god bless, that's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, star line is out, man, Congratulations, six years in
to make it it's safe to say, right, it feels congratulations.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
I love how Pops is part of the promo team.
Yeah percent.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But he's been part of the promo team yeah day one,
since day one. On Speed of Love. You said, me
and my dad burnt them CDs one.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
At a time. Man.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
So when I was I first got out of high school,
I put out my project. It was called ten Day
and uh, me and my dad used to butt hairs
a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And when I say butt hands, I mean he used
to punch me in the chest a lot forgetting this
trouble and for and for just being like you know
I was.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
I was just as uh creative and like different and
hardheaded then as I am now. And he it wasn't
until I had like this life changing event that you know,
my dad started to I guess reevaluate our relationship and
he became super super involved and you know, trying to
(02:16):
help me figure out how I was gonna, you know,
achieve some of these goals I had. And one of
the things that he really, you know, blessed me with
was understanding street team and the understanding hand in hand.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
And so he used to.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
Burn the CDs of ten Day and write on them
in sharpie market in the middle of the night, all night.
The line specifically says, uh the beauty of a sharpie
in the moonlight. The writing was baroke, the speed was
cartoon like. He used to sit and just write my
name all night, one at a time, though like not
disc makers, like sitting there windows media player on his
(02:49):
job computer, burning my CDs that I would then go
out on the street, you know, pass out and stuff.
So n to this day he still is my you know,
that's my source.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I saw I'm at the beach pushing the CD in
his kakis and made me, this is my son.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
We're out here, we're supporting his new album.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I was out of town when they did that, and
I had no idea.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Like we were very conscious about doing street team and
hand in hand in the CDs, making sure that we
get out to the people, don't just do a bunch
of billboards and like expect people, but like meet people
today on and that's how you get the stories. That's
how you meet people and get to know their connection
to the music. And I was out of town. I
think I was doing my own promo run in New York.
I was street teaming too, and then they my dad
(03:29):
said me.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
In this video. He's like, you care if I post this?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Son?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I'm like, oh, what is this gonna be?
Speaker 6 (03:33):
And I'm watched it as my dad on the beach
with sneakers and jeans on, kneeling down in the sand,
you know, explaining how important this project is to somebody
and saying, I'm proud to be Chance the rappers father.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I'm getting emotional.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yeah, it's real deal, man.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
It was beautiful and we're blessed to have fathers, you know,
Garcia and we talk about that all the time, because
his father wasn't necessarily there, but that made him a.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Great father, a man not having this fun.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
My dad's father wasn't in his life, and I think
that's what gave him. That's he'll he'll tell you like,
that's what gave him the power to be the father
that he was because he wanted to be the opposite
of his dad and.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Every my dad was there? But was he?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Question?
Speaker 5 (04:16):
He was there? But was he? But really was he?
Like he was there the fucking he was there to
beat my ass?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
But he was there, I guess signed me up for
football and then said I was no good at it.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
All good, all good.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Sorry man, listening to your album, I get emotional too, Man,
you're getting emotional.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, I'm crying right now.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
You know what I appreciate about Starline is you know,
and this is this is what the most respect ever. Right,
you didn't take no crazy risks. Right, you didn't go goofy,
you didn't. You kept it.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Chance the rapper, the chance the rapper we know and appreciate. Right.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
What's funny to me is like, I think this is
one of those projects where every day is going to
get better. I think every day that somebody takes an
opportunity to listen to it, especially by yourself or the
headphones or on a drive, you'll start to like see
things in there that you just can't get on the
first couple of listens. And I think what is different
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about this project from any other projects is the level
of intention that went into each lyric, into the content
of each of the songs and so even the songs
that feel like they're really fun, Like a lot of
people really love Ride that's the second track, a lot
of people really love Drape Domania with Baby Chief doing.
When you sit down and you read those lyrics, you'll
be like, oh, this is this is radical, and this
(05:36):
is and it's educational and it's informative, and it's also
still at the end of the day, is fun and
it feels good to turn up. You feel strength from it.
And I think all my lyrics have always been introspective.
They've all been you know, also a certain worldview of
what I think is right or wrong in the world.
But this is like, I think the first time that
I really really did everything I could with my pen
(05:59):
to get my point across and not just one point,
but multiple perspectives around anything.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
No, you got to it and start line you got
to it lyrics.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Like so many times because I feel like I missed
that ship and I don't want to miss it. But
you know, the corrupt on you know, this town is
like the dog Pound. It is corrupt.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I appreciate that shout out to do yeah, dog pound.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Wordplay is my thing.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
And I actually used to be in a program when
I was a kid after school program called wordplay, and
that's where a lot of my friends that got on
Vic Mensa, no.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Name, uh, Jamilla Woods, Saba.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
A lot of us grew up in these after school
programs like word playing, uh lyricist, loft and stuff, where
we had to get up and like perform a.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
New piece every week, wow, in front of our peers.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
And sometimes it'll be two hundred kids, sometimes it'll be
you know, ten kids. But we had to get up
with that same level of fervor and that same level
of intention around our words from a young age. And
so I think all of us are like well equipped
to like take on some of these loftier topics and
some of these like bigger moments when it comes to songwriting.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Can I tell you the moment I became a fan
of you? Yeah, I didn't smoke at this time, but
in twenty thirteen when you're talking now though, man, I'm
smoking now, god brow. But but when you when you
drop smoke again, right. The line that got me was
when you said lean along the square. That's what a
fucking wrong, I said, bro, people, that is crazy.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
I love wordplay, I love like and I think what
I did really well with this album is that it's
a lot more. It's a lot of different literary devices
that like maybe I didn't utilize as much when I
was coming into it, because like you said, like you
know a certain level of it when you were a kid,
not when a kid, but you know what I'm saying,
nineteen twenty twenty one, like and twenty you know, twenty
three when I made Coloring Book, Like there's still like
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a level of adventure and just like fun and like
goofiness and like freedom, freedom, And I think now I'm
thirty two, I got two kids. You know what I'm saying,
The world is going to shit, and it feels like
there's a more. There's an important job and being a
writer or a historian or a documentarian that you are
(08:12):
naturally you have to be as a rapper. When you
record something, you put it out in the world, you
publish it, it's gonna be spun the same way with
the same words forever, and so you have to be
careful and be you know, intentional, and be brave with
your words.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, and how you're gonna be that vessel for everyone
else facts, I think no more.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Old Man really says that that's my best song. Yeah,
and I really like you felt the song.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
You know, you can hear the story very clearly.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Yoh, thank you man. Yeah, that song that actually, that
is my best song. That's the best song I've written it.
And it actually comes a lot of these songs and
ideas come from other literary works, whether it's poetry, you know, uh, theater, literature, whatever.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Like, there's like a lot of like references to other stuff.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
And that song is actually based on a poem by
my cousin, Tanikia Carpenter.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
It's an amazing poet. She had this, this poem. I think it's.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Uh, I think it's Chicago with no More Granddads or
the day It's something, but it's it's the exact same
concept and a much shorter piece, but it like it
changed me. She made this, I think a couple of
years ago, and at that moment, I knew I want
to create the same moment in music, and I was
blessed enough to like work with Jamila Woods and Dark
Child produced it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
That's one of the reasons why it knocks the way
it does. Legendary shout out to Rodney Drake is like Michael,
He's the greatest man.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
He spent time with me.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
We actually made like ten tracks, but that was the
one that I was like, yeah, we're gonna get back
to work, but that one, that one is my best
written song. And I perfectly I think, you know, describe
the importance of some of the boyhood lessons that you
learn in spaces that's just around men. And I think
(09:55):
like there's certain things that I learned being in the
barbershop as a kid with my dad from some older
men that aren't around anymore, and that life expectancy has
just dropped more and more for multitude or reasons out there. Man,
But that but that that's needed, Like you need a
gray haired I've been through it all.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
You need you need a no G in your life.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
That's That's the song I feel like perfectly described some
of the lessons that we learned and the ones that
we lost.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Age is success. If you make it to a certain age,
you have succeeded.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Those gray hairs that are like a signal that I've
been here and I've been through it all.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And I feel like on a level of just like
attacking a concept.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
I always write my songs after I come up with
a title, or at the very least i've heard the concept.
It's usually concept and title maybe titled, which still is
coming from a concept.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Drape Domania, for example, Like.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
A lot of people like this record because it's lit
sturnt up, it's got a crazy baby Chief do It verse,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
But it's also like once people sit.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
With it for a while and maybe just google the
word drape domania and find out what that means and
contextualize the song within that, they'll be like, oh, and
I think that that's like the beauty of writing with
intention and writing with a concept or title first, because
if I just go to the mic or just go
to the pen and be like, I'm gonna just see
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what rhyme's best and say that I'm the best, inn like,
we're not gonna get nowhere.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
But when I have writing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
But Drape Domania was four different songs before it got
to the one that would Baby Chief Do It and
probably like six or seven different verses, but four different beats,
three different genres of kinds of beats in six years. Man,
That's why it takes a crazy chance but basically, drape
domania is a is a pseudo scientific meaning like fake
(11:48):
science diagnosis in the late eighteen hundreds that they used
to ascribe to constant runaway slaves. So they would say,
if you were trying to leave the plantation, that something
must be wrong with your brain. You got draptomania and
that concept of like you you got to be crazy
to think that you could be free. And the rage
(12:09):
that also is induced by feeling like I'm stuck in
some sort of system or stuck under some sort of
label is all the energy that I wanted to put
in the song. And so I have all these different
iterations of the same idea and the same concept before
you get to draked domania that you know, people love
and people are doing the rush.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Hour dance to what I'm saying, and that's feeling. But
the more you sit, the more you learn.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Yeah, in your thirties, have you been called og or unk?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I got called unk recently. I was on the game The.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Game You're just talking about this right before you walked in,
because Nico and you are the same age. I was like,
you know, you're getting close to unk.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Right, and then You're like, I got like ten nephews.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
So it's like but also I'm like really learning to
like respect my craft is something that does get better
with age, And you get to see that with Clips,
you get to see that with Kendrick, you get to
see that with so many artists. If you could see
that with everybody that that cares about their pin and
like it's consistently writing from a conceptual level and for
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and still keeping that movement though, like you, you don't
ever want to get to a point where you're preachy.
And that's what I really love about this album is
like there's all these incredible concepts in it, but as
you listen to it, you can't help but move to it.
And so I'm like really starting to just respect the
fact that, like when I am fifty, I might be
writing the greatest raps I ever wrote, because I'm getting
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older and getting more perspective and getting more more and
more respect for the craft.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
What kind of feedback do you get or do you
appreciate about The Highs and the Lows?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I love that people, you get it much doing it?
Have no idea, no vaping.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
You know, the I think The Highs and the Lows
was such a you know a big part of this
whole story. And what I love is that people get it.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
You know.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
It's about the cyclical, you know, feeling that comes with
with joy and you know, and heartbreak, like it's it's
always gonna be the next one right after. And so
coming to terms with the fact that yes, these times
is hard, but there'll be better times tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
And yes these.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Times are good, but eventually it'll get hard again, is like,
you know, that's kind of the concept throughout the whole album.
And when I made that song, I was in this
in this time period where I was learning a lot
from visual artists. I was spending a lot of time
with painters, photographer, sculptors, designers, like people from all over
the world and going and spending time in these different communities.
(14:46):
I spent a lot of time in a kragana, a
lot of time in Jamaica, But when I made The
Highs and the Lows, I was spending a lot of
time in Paris and in Venice, Italy and just around
these like incredible artists who really really know how to
communicate ideas, like they know how to take an emotion
or an issue or you know whatever craft and really
(15:09):
like give it to you from all angles, and so
I like just spending time with them and just being
in conversation being like, oh, I never thought about it
like that, or I never would have worded it like that.
Really like influenced me. So shout out to Yanas David Gabinga.
He's an amazing photographer from Gabone that went out and
just like spent time with me learning certain concepts and
teaching me certain concepts that I.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Think it goes through the whole album.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
That attention to detail, that attention to like one line
on any given song you could break down for a
good hour, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I think that's why we appreciate Tyler Creator so much,
too right, because of his visuals and his attention to detail.
Even though he says I just did this and that
and it came out great. Fuck that I don't believe that,
and you know it and you dig deep.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
No, he's a creative visionary And I think, like, I
don't ever really get to talk about Tyler that often.
That's the first time I feel like I've even been
asked about him in an interview. Boom when I was
when I was still in high school, was when that
our future movement started. I was probably a junior or
sophomore in high school and really seeing Earl Who's about
to drop next week? You know, like that that like
really opened my eyes to like how different I could be,
(16:13):
how much intention could put into the lyrics because he
is a lyricist, And then from Tyler, like how important
and how crazy you could go with the visuals and
them as a unit and all of our future Like
really in a lot of ways, I think birthed a
lot of cruise, especially in Chicago, like we saw that
our future movement, and we we was doing save money
(16:35):
as a click.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
We was just fighting and stealing.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
And then at that point I was like, wait, we
freestyle all the time, like we should should collectively be
trying to push towards a movement with a name. And
so I always like just super respected Tyler's vision for
all of the people around him.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
For how he builds his music videos, for how he.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
Builds his albums out into these conceptual eras with like
you know, certain like like fashion or certain like just
things that like give you a whole world that like
contextualizes the music. I think I was really trying to
do that with star Line, especially with the music I
released in the past few years. You do that, man,
just making people feel like, Oh, this is what you're
rapping about. Okay, this is what you're rapping out. Okay,
(17:14):
I understand. Like I think a lot of my fans
because of stuff like Highs and the Lows. Yeah, I
know the three three hundred and thirty three song about
you know how many fans are buying tickets to my shows.
Like I gave a good context of the world that
I was going to be diving into when I got
to the album. I think that's why some of the
fans are so in love with it, and the people
that haven't heard it, even if they don't have that context,
(17:36):
now they love the album enough to go back and
then now they're discovering music that kind of sets up everything.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
The power of the shout out on the radio is
legendary right to this day. You got to look into
that camera and talk to Tyler and say, we working, dog,
fuck that we're doing this.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Hey, you said we working? Are you working? I'm working
you Oh, we're working. Yeah. I would work with Tyler.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Yeah, Tyler, were working out in this your city. I
would love to work with you. Dog and we will
work as Yeah, I want to be there too.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I need to ask you I saw on your Twitter
last year. I need to know have you watched Menace
to Society?
Speaker 6 (18:12):
I never saw Minutes to Society crazy, but that's not true.
I've seen parts of it. I've seen the part at
the end where where he gets shot, and i've seen
spoiler alert.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Sorry. Sorry, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
I was like, I've seen it on BT a bunch
of times, so you know, I'm not really paying Yeah,
and I've seen, like, you know, the scene in the
like convenience store and there's the double burger with cheese.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I think it's from that too.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
So I know all the like cultural sitting watching feel
Sorry for your mother.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I don't know if I've seen that part.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, yeah, legend Sorry.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
And I'm seeing it.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Have y'all seen all right the ones I've seen. I'm saying,
Boys in the Hood, Okay, I've seen baby Boy, I've
seen Peoples. I feel like, no, I don't eve want
to say that. I was gonna say i've seen it south Central,
but I feel like I've only seen that in parts two.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Legendary.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
I'm just trying to think of the classic like nineties
West Coast movie American.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, you know part of American, okay me.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Part part of it is in prison, yep, I have
that's my LOOKI that's my little brother's favorite movie. That's
my little brother's favorite movie. When he sees this, he's gonna.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Be like, Nigga, that's what I told you. You're gonna
talk to the Mexicans.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You're gonna watch blood In and Blood Out too.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
I've heard of that.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
What's blood and blood Out?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Blood and blood Out is like like yeah, shp like.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
And it's on Disney Plus.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Yes, but it's some real trollo ship.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
I'm trying to I'm trying to learn black and what
do they say black and brown pride in the sets?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Yeah, that's what you mentioned. Poking the album too.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, a lot of.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Times he's you know, I saw a documentary a couple
of years ago. To me, it's the single greatest documentary
I ever seen. It's called Dear Mama, And everything from
the storytelling to the facing, to the archival footage and
especially the sound design and how they work, you know,
these reimaginings of pox records into the into the movie after.
I just think it's like the greatest documentary ever. But
(20:11):
what's really really cool about it is that it subversive
and that you think it's gonna be a Tupac documentary,
but it's really a documentary about his mother and all
the ways she impressed upon the world and how he
was carrying on our lineage and how they have these
weird like like like the courthouses that they were tried in,
the prisons that he you know, that he was in,
how they have all these crazy connections. His mother was
(20:33):
just like, you know, really the truth. She basically started
the patient Bill of Rights that we use to this day.
She was a black panther. She represented herself and is
the black panther nine I can't remember, but like represent
herself in several other black So I just like, I'm
super you know, grateful just for Tupac's story and the
success and the and the messaging that he was able
(20:53):
to put out there. And so I got a line
on drape Domania, which I told you was already about
crazy niggas being free, where I say, I say, uh,
Tiffany Chain in a blue box four one k in
a blue four one K in a shoe box. My
favorite rapper named Tupac. I love Tupac because he shot
two cops. I got a nine millimeter call thug life.
(21:15):
I got a new chain and say fuck Ice. And
I get that from Pac, Like I feel like the
radical the ability to use your words like a sword
and like and speak freely, and to speak for people
that don't have necessarily as loud of a voice. It's like,
those are all things that I learned from from Tupac,
whom my mother made me listen to it. She didn't
have to make me, but she put me on at
(21:36):
a very young age.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
She had it on, so there you were.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
She had the cassettes.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, man, the cassettes legendary. Yeah, you mentioned right, the
fuck Ice, right? And Chicago got mad Latinos out there too, right,
And I'm sure you've seen these raids.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
It's disgusting.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
I think we're just in a in a space where
people are afraid to, I guess, really.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Fight the system.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
You know what I'm saying, Like, this is a country
that's actually built on bloody revolutions, and you know what
I'm saying, radical thought and self determination. And sometimes I
think we make that such a historic thing or such
a like you know, in the past kind of thing
that we forget that. Like we're a country built on,
(22:24):
you know, fighting the system and fighting the power.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Anyone, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
So Chicago, like you said, has a huge, one of
the largest Latino populations in the country, and we're very
very like you know, we're a sanctuary city, where a
city that's just built on, you.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Know, pride of multiple cultures.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
And there's a Mexican radio station out there. That's how
you know, there's Mexican.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
What's what's I think it's called hoy Like that's like
our biggest newspaper.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Today. Yeah, so like.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
We that's right, big homie.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
But we I think we're just in a place where
people sometimes feel helpless and they don't know, you know,
how to fight. And what I always say is like
I think we all have two parts, right, We have
our physical bodies and we have.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Our heavenly gifts.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
And so I think everybody has a gift that they
was given that they have to use to fulfill their
purpose in God. My voice and my pen is my gift,
you know. And then on the other side there's my
physical body, and one day I'm going to have to
give my physical body to the revolution.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I hope it's not soon. I got young kids.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
But in both parts, I think every human is responsible
for applying both sides of them.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
And so whatever work.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
It is that you do, whatever skill it is that
you do, whatever platform that you have, you have to
use it for the voiceless. And at some point your
body's going to be a part of this revolution as well.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It's late in the game. It's that we're at the
falla empire right now.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
So you know, I would say being in Chicago and
being growing up in those after school programs. I was
telling you about those poetry we were fourteen years old,
rocking kafias and saying free Palestine.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
That's how we grew up like we are.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
We are radical children that just happen to be in
our thirties now. And so when it comes time for
each one of us to put out a body of work,
especially at this time, we have to use our heavenly gifts.
And when the time comes, everybody's going to have to
use their bodies.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
That's wow, this is for you, man. We did a
short run of these. Go ahead and show the camera
let them.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Know I got a new shirt. It's say fuck.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah me crazy right yeah me? Yeah Man, that shit
is crazy. What's going on out there? I hope it fits.
It's a large, it might be too big. Rocket, it
might shrink so rocket Rocket and were back tour in October,
Yes eighty.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I'm here at the play in October twenty.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
It was crazy.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
My first show in LA was in twenty twelve and
I was opening up for Donald Glover at the time
Child's Bean bro and he brought me on tour because
of my ten Day mixtape. His publicist got it when
I performed it south By, and he asked me to
come and fill in a couple of dates, and then
eventually it was like you should just finish out the
whole tour with me, probably because I was cheap, but
also because I'm good.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, also good brood, good line.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
But I think it's just a beautiful thing to be
coming back to LA and being in that space and
it feels like, you know, there's just a there's just
an incredible amount of love that I've been receiving, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
And I saw you Hotwood Bowl and it was like
I've never seen some shit like yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
My show is pretty good.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
I won't I can never like deny that, and it's
a great lot to me. Like that's probably why I'm
a good performance is because performing is good for me,
Like it's it's I always use this metaphor that, Like
I don't know if you've ever seen the end of
Kill Bill Too, but he you know, Bill does the
monologue about spider Man and Batman versus Superman, and how
spider Man and Batman got to use their technology and
(26:04):
their suits to become that alter.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Ego that's a superhero.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Whereas Superman puts on his glasses and it's tied as
his disguise, and whenever he takes that off, he's his
real self. And that's how I feel on stage, is
like I feel like when I'm walking around in real life,
even when I'm on microphones, like right now, like I'm
a little subdued version of myself. I'm a little bit
in disguise. But once I get on stage without body
for you, it's just me.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I get to be myself.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Yeah he's still smoking or just vaping.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I don't smoke cigarettes anymore.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Yeah, well this is awful, So don't let us be
a jewel commercial.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
This is a jewel.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
This is terrible for you, and I cannot. I'm really
trying to.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
No, I know, I know it's tough.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
It's tough course, and I talk about that all the time,
like it's just an addiction, you know.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
And I think what it used to be is like
when you got the like when they used to have
like the nicotine gum and the nicotam patches.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
It was like a system, a regiment. It like Okay,
this day you take three.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
And then tomorrow you take to it. And this is
just like nicotine juice that you're just going by more
and more of.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And no, I hate it.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's the devil's work.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
It's working. I know, you got to run. But Space
and Time is crazy, thank you man, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Man, Yeah, that's that's you know.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
I teeter back and forth between calling no moral men
and Space and Time my most well written songs and
Space and Time. You know, it's beautiful, beautiful because it's vulnerable.
It's based on a true story. It's you know, my
most poetic version of you know, how my how my
life went you know, through marriage and post But what
(27:35):
I really really love and I love on all the
songs is the use of of allegory or illusion, And
this song pulls a lot from the odyssey, Homer's Odyssey
and basically the story of this dude going out on
this voyage, on this adventure in search of something and
then realizing the most important thing is left at home
(27:57):
and really trying to get back home. And so I
really loved that the song. You know, it feels like
like an epic. So I feel like I try and
like look at each of the songs, you know, for
what they are, what their genre is.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
But this song feels like a great story, just a
great story to be told. I love that I've gotten
such a great response from that. Thank you man.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
My son he's eight years old, my son Cam. He
walks around saying, gun in your purse. Look at me,
Like what.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
The I told you? Just ride a course music.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Man.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
I'm saying, shout out to all the women with the gun,
and they pers shoutout.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
You know what I'm saying, Joy and Chamar, all.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Star line, chance to Raper, Congratulations, salute I got.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
He shout out the website, shout out the shout out
to my website.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
Hey, if you want to get my stuff, you got
to get it directly from me. Chance My Stuff is
a Chance Stuff dot com. You can get a CD,
you get some merched. That's how you support independent artists.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Congratulations Mike A love always respects. Get a Crucial ninety
two three
Speaker 1 (29:00):
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