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October 1, 2025 31 mins
Alchemist & Havoc stopped by the Cruz Show to talk about the new Mobb Deep Project which includes Prodigy. Alchemist slo told some funny stories about being dragged into various beefs because he produced the tracks. Havoc told some great stories about Mobb Deep and more. Great interview for Hip Hop Fans

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, what's up?

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Speaker 3 (00:13):
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Speaker 4 (00:15):
Let's go, hey, Cruise Show real Natty two to three.
Havoc is here, Alchemist is here? Holy shit, what's up?
I feel like we should have gunshots going on. Body's dropping?
Here's the floor, man, the sight go let's get it man,
do we have I mean, if we can put a
number of how many crimes were committed to y'all? Music?

(00:37):
How how you know like or how many razor blades
were hit under a tongue? Like yo, bro like man?
Congratulations has been a vicious career man, and look at
it now, Yes, sir, we survived it. Man, No man, Alchemists,
pleasure having you here. Thank you very much for the
time and energy and the music. Havoc, are you fucking

(00:59):
kidding me? Yo? R Man, thank you for being here.
We appreciate it. Thank you for having me all day? Man.
How's that la treating y'all? You know, I know you
live here. You o g from Beverly Hills. Yeah, absolutely,
that's right. I'm in Santa Monica now, I got a
little studio out there in the cut, So that's right.
You never leave, You're only doing that study.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
I really don't a little worried about these days. I mean,
you know, some good stuff comes out of it. I
don't know where. Where should I go to the beach?

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Now? You work so much, you don't even know. That's crazy?
Maybe in the park, I don't know, right, I got it.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
I got I got two little ones, so when I'm
not in the studio, I'm with them.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
So we have some kids, dog, and all those projects
you draw. You've been cooking for a few years now,
back to back to back consecutively, right, like yo, do
you there's no time for anything else? Right? So music? Kids?
Do you even have a real idea yet? Are your
taxes in line?

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:52):
You know your certificated?

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Your health care provider?

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Are you aware of who it is? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Okay, check all those check you get the new iPhone?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:02):
And I appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
You care about me, really cares about crew's cares.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Dog.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
I'm with you. Homie. I've been I've been seeing you
drop project after the project, and I'm like, Yo, this
dude right here hasn't seen daylight in a long time. Listen,
this is what we live for, you know what I mean.
I started this when I was fifteen. I'm well into
my forties now, and it's like.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
It feels like things are just starting to happen now,
if it makes any sense. I mean, but when I
flash back to the days I met them, I felt
the same way then. So it's like I'm just trying
to keep that feeling going off new experiences and new.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Heights every year.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
And now you know what date day a lot of
you know, you could put my my production on the
timeline and it'll be like before and after meeting mob Deep,
you know. So like linking with them pretty much changed
everything for me. So it means a lot to even
be with him promoting this album for our brother.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
And for the world.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
You know, infinite, absolutely honest way we got to it.
New bars, new verses, Yeah, crazy Havoc. Did you have
these vocals?

Speaker 6 (03:02):
I had some of them. I had some of them.

Speaker 7 (03:05):
I was, you know, blessed to get them from a
prodigies of state, you know what I mean from his family. Yeah,
Alchemists had versus and we just you know, got together
collectively and you know, just just put.

Speaker 6 (03:20):
Some work to him.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Yeah, got to it. Right. How long did this take? Time? Like?
How long did it take to get together completely? Because
you're piecing up stuff you got versus You're right, You're
you're putting it all together. It's almost like a puzzle, right.

Speaker 7 (03:33):
I Mean the idea was that the album was in
you know, our idea for a few years now, and
over the past course of a year, you know, me
and Alchemists got together and said, okay, you know, now's
the time finally to start working on the project.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
And it was seamless.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
You know.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (03:51):
I always love, you know, visiting our studio because I
feel like I get some kind of energy coming out
of there, you know what I mean. And I'm not
just saying that because he's here, but when I get there,
it's the energy. Sometimes I need to get outside of
my own studio, you know what I mean and get
some different air. And so we did that and we
started the album and it was just, you know, it

(04:11):
was a good feeling.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Wow, I feel like it's a perfect time too to
promote it too, like October, y'all, shit is so scary
right on time.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
That's the perfect time, right on time, And you know,
it's crazy. I thought about this after we made the record.
I was like, Damn, he really was the leader of
this album in a weird way because you know, the
the vocals that we had, we had, so when we
made these records, a lot of them, we kind of
listen to where he was at with it and try
to figure out, like if Have had to add on

(04:40):
some songs we had already, something were left over that
we pieced up. But it was like, when I think
about him, like we really followed his lead because that's
what we had, you know, and Have was able to
fill in and do what he could. But that tripped
me out when I thought about it, Like even in
his absence, he's still like the leader of a mob deep.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Ca campaign, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (05:01):
As far as the topics where we went with it
and how to match beats that we felt would do
justice to our brother because we had so many years
of working with him and we're so lucky, and it
was like I feel like we both know, Like I
talked to him I know you talked to him, So
it's like like any if you have a friend who's gone,
you could talk to him in your head and.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Be like, I wonder, what do you think about this?
And you know him so well.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
That you can make a guess over what he'll probably
feel like if a movie comes out, you I got
people wouldn't have liked this movie.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
He wouldn't have liked the Jordan's I know him that well.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
You know that's holy shit, that's holy shit.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
We knew.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
I feel like that if you know, Prodigy is still there, right,
so he's still leading the way, right And there's also
you know, you say, he wouldn't like that, right, So
was there that moment where you completed a song or
you're in the middle of cooking something up you're like, nah,
people wouldn't like that, Let's move on.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
I definitely had that in the back of my head.
But I think we were really dialed in and it
was really a synergy of me and half getting together
and like pushing the idea the beginning of this record
before we linked with Master Appeal, and then we got
with Naves and Mass Appeal, and it was like and
with their forces we were able to make, you know,
craft the rest of the record and make something out
of your legendary. But it was really I think starting

(06:10):
us and just like him and I like getting together
for Pee and for the mall Deep legacy because this
is not about money, This is not about any of
that stuff. This is about the legacy of Mob Deep
keeping it going because in his absence I realized.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
Like, damn, his voice is missing. The sound of mob
Deep is missing, is like a void in hip hop,
and that it'll go on and it'll change. But like
we're still here, have is right here.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
I'm here, and I'm like, we got to keep this
legacy going for us, for the what they did in the.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Past, and for pe you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
So right yo, Havoc is here, Alchemist is still here.
Like that means Prodigy is still.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Here, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
You know it ain't going nowhere. And it's crazy, Havoc.
Is there a bar? Is there a line off of
Infinite that you that that Prodigy said or laid down
that you you know you're still thinking about.

Speaker 6 (07:03):
Man man, all of them.

Speaker 7 (07:05):
To be honest with you, I'm not even gonna lie
because uh, he never you know what I'm saying, never
disappoints with anything that he says.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
And I'm reminced words, right, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (07:17):
You know, I've been so close to it, just sometimes
I don't realize how dope.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
You know what I'm saying. All of his lyrics are,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (07:25):
So just everything that he did on this album is
just you know, crazy to me, you know, but of course.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, I told him always so crazy to hear his voice.
It's been in my headphones for for years, you know
what I mean, or whatever it may be, and it's
like to hear your voice and persons amazing. Do you
remember the first time when you were younger and you
heard your song on the radio the first freaking time?
When what did you do? Where were you at? What
did you do? Like paint that picture? That's such a career.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
Yeah, it was a career to find the moment.

Speaker 7 (07:54):
And I remember probably himing it on you know, one
of seven point five wbls something like that in New
York and just being like to myself, like, damn, I
made it, Like didn't make no money yet.

Speaker 6 (08:05):
Or nothing like that, but still feeling like I really
made it, you know.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
M hm. You know your music has played on the
radio and people think you're instantly a millionaire exactly started
getting those calls.

Speaker 6 (08:17):
Yeah, yeah, tru dy.

Speaker 7 (08:18):
But as artist, we come into this game not even
knowing that you could make money or it's not about
the money crazy. You know, when you find out you
can make money off it, that's when you just tainted
for life, like.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Yeah, everything changed. You find out the truth behind the curtains.
And so that's how the sausages made pause right yeah, dog,
it's insane, man, it's infinite. Why are we waiting on it? Man?
And like yo, Like so the production on this had
to be correct, right? Did we bring anyone else in?

(08:52):
It was really just me and Half Beautiful. I felt
like that was always the way it's supposed to be.
I think that was well, it's Havoc as the leader,
you know what I mean. He created the sound and
even when I over the years made mob deep production,
he was inspired and I always felt like it was
falling off of his tree because it was a style
he created, you know. And so while we were making this.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Record, I felt like, Yo, let's get up, let's do
how we used to do.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
You know, you make the basis of this record, the
majority of it, and anytime I rock with the Mob
it was always like two or three joints add on
to what he already had.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
So I felt like, that's the formula.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
Let's go back to what it was and just get
to it and if it's not broke, don't fix it.
And we have I mean a million incredible producer friends
and people out there that I'm sure would have came through,
but I felt like it wasn't about.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
That for this.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Let's keep it home. Yeah, to restore that feeling in
the sound. Youah, this way the sound is authentic and
it just cuts through like a knife. And you know
what I appreciate too with like today, right twenty twenty five, right,
like the journey of Mob Deep Alchemists. Right, it's still
documented on TikTok on YouTube. You see if you guys
cooking in the studio, like all that stuff is just

(10:03):
great to watch man. And it was years ago. Whose
idea was to start filming.

Speaker 7 (10:09):
Alc Nah, Actually it was Pee oh okay, Pee Pete,
but I followed his lead.

Speaker 5 (10:15):
But at the time, you know, I was they were
already Mob Deep. So when I first came into the camp.
I was so excited that I filmed everything.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
So like from that say like ninety eight to two
thousand and six or seven, but when we were really
rocking together every day, I have.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Just tons of footage, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
So it's like that's one of my most prized possessions
in life.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
You know, like these are the memories.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Now we're in the era now where everything is filmed
and everything is posted in real time, and it's like
I tell some of these young guys like YO, have
a little constraint and save some footage that you don't
post and just put it in a freezer.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Because like even.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
When I was working with Action and it's been like
ten years now, we were doing you know, like this
TV show and stuff.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
I was filming everything.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yeah, too missed and that was feeling everything then and
they were like, yo, why you keep feeling I'm like,
trust me, in ten years, you guys are gonna thank me,
you know what I mean. And it was like, I
don't know, just the excitement of being in these situations
the world to me, Like I'm with Moll Deep So
and p So. We have a lot of footage and
we even actually me and have put together this like

(11:20):
forty five minute it's not a documentary.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
It's really just say it's just me and peace footage.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
I cut it up myself and it just shows you
us in the studio and on tour through that era.
And it's like there's some days where you could see
because they have the same outfit on. They did three
songs in the day.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
You see it, you see it.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, your magic.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
It was unbelievable, and you know, I just feel lucky
to be that I was there to witness it and
to have some of that inspire me because that's my mission,
you know. Ah Yo, that documentary is coming week.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
We got a week.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
It's not even let's say this. I'm sure there will
be a real documentary from all deep in a movie
because it deserves the story. Man.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
But this is is just raw for the people that
like to be a fly on the wall. This is
just me and Pete filming.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
But that's what see. We want to see that. I
want to see that on the big screen and then
I want to see it at the house.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Documentary was so good.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
With oh man dog, I love that one sat.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
There for like an hour. He just felt like you
were there.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Or even Gay's recent documentary where he's I.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Heard they got a lot of crazy footage.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Yeah, wold footage.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
It seemed like he knew all through his career to film.
There's so much footage of it. It's like, you know,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
That's one thing I tell to young guys, like save
some of it, don't just post everything.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
And that's right.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
You know for sure you've been on camera since you
were fourteen years old. Yeah, for sure, right with the Hooligans. Yeah, absolutely,
My man was rapping. Yeah, with Scott Kahane, James CON's son.
That's that's still like my best friend, rest in James Conn.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
James. Yeah, we grew up around him.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
It was that was like you know, second father when
I was a kid, you know his house, like damnit
with Sonny.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, he never really snapped out of that role. Like
if you met him, you're thinking he's Italian. Jimmy was
the man.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
He was so was he scary?

Speaker 3 (13:12):
He was you know, what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Get out of But he wasn't Italian?

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Oh my god, he wasn't.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
He was just I mean, yeah, I was lucky to
be around that last and Scotty, you know, when we wrapped,
you know, like he had, we had connects. His dad
was gonna have Francis for a couple of director video in.
Scott I was like no, because he.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Didn't want nothing to do you know when you're young.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
For him, Yeah, I want to do it myself. They
would ask us some interviews we heard you know one
of you guys. He'd like, yeah, him his father's he
would always like, you know what I'm saying. But look,
in the end he went that route and became like
a super successful look actor. He's great, he's killing man.
Shout out to my brother Scotty. And the funny thing
he's tuned in on all the rap stuff. I was
gonna say, y'all, I bet you can still spit.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
It still spit.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
And every time I dropped something new or some new good,
that new El sweatshirt's crazy that that's out or just here,
he's up on everything, I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, he's even tripping. He hit me about the Mob album,
so it's.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
Like, you know, I'm still tied in with all the
same people from Soul Assassins. I'm you know, original Soul
Disasters from Yes, you know.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
It's crazy, You're a Cali kid, right, but like your
your sound is so New York is fair.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Absolutely, and you know I think about it sometimes, like
had I not moved out there and like kind of
met them, it happened. But sometimes I think about Premiere too,
because Premiere came from Texas, and you can't tell me
a more New York sound than DJ Premiere, That's right.
So it's like it ain't where you're from this well
you're a type of situation.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
But were you, Like, yo, you're a Cali boy.

Speaker 7 (14:41):
At first, Like, I didn't even know he was from California.

Speaker 6 (14:45):
I'm not even gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Finding this out today and the top of the top of it.

Speaker 6 (14:50):
All over, I thought he was Puerto Rican.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
So yeah, mustache, he's getting away with murdering.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
You're like, yo, what the fuck is this? Right? I
saw a video two of like big hit right, shout
out the Big hit Man. He was like, I don't
know so many songs that you. I didn't know you
were white.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
You know, he really didn't know. He's so crazy. Nobodyn't
let him down. But you know that's my shout the
big hit free, big hit Man man.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah he's you know, he's back in there, man, but he's.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
Gonna get back out and do it right. Shout out
to him and shout to my brother hit Boy.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
You know that's like family, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Now you and hip Boy did did that justice? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, we got something coming too.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
We'll be back.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
We'll be back, Is that right, guard Shack?

Speaker 4 (15:37):
We'll be back? Okay?

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Absolutely? Huh with his shouting hit Boy as.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
My brother killing it right now too, man, crazy always
crazy inspiration havoc as as as as a producer yourself, right, like,
was there a West Coast inspiration of yours coming up
as well? I mean, of course you got Doctor Dre
was making crazy noise.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Out of here.

Speaker 6 (15:57):
Yeah, yeah, like I mean it's fall back as n
w A.

Speaker 7 (16:00):
It was like, you know, my one of my favorite
hip hop groups of all time, A big fan of
Easy E, Doctor Dre and all of that, and seeing
him kill it and then to aspire to be a
rapper myself. To see Snoop going crazy with it and
with Doctor Dre, Doctor Dre rein inventing himself so to speak.
You know, I was a super fan of that, and

(16:20):
so it kind of inspired me to like, do you know,
because you know, New York was on a little bit
of a you know, Hiatus came to the scene.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
Was it tough to be a fan of the West
Coast when all that shit was happening too?

Speaker 6 (16:33):
No, no, no, because I didn't let nothing, because I.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Would have been like, fuck them all, one of them
don't like me, fuck them all?

Speaker 7 (16:42):
Yeah, yeah, no, you know, I didn't get involved with
out of the nuances of you know, the East Coast
West Coast shit. I like, I really I'm a fan
of music period, you know what I'm saying. And in
my mind, I always just thought that New York was
the dopest and nobody could fuck with New York, you understand.
So they hear cats from another different place, especially La,

(17:04):
you know what I'm saying, being just as good as
what we was doing over here. It blew my fucking mind,
you understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (17:12):
It made me a permanent fit.

Speaker 7 (17:14):
So when you know, some of the bullshit was happening,
kind of upset me, you know what I'm saying, Just
to see because you know, we always got love coming
out here period.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah. No, who got the crazy shot? That was Mob
Deep Nas and jay Z Right, who got the craziest
shot out from pac I mean he wanted to take
on the entire coast. God.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
Yeah, we loved it, right, Like I was like, yeah,
let's get it, let's go.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
It almost puts like a battery on your back, right, absolutely,
I still got it. That's right, that's right. I love that.
I love that stat of energy. Though. Did you guys
almost signed the Bad Boy as well?

Speaker 6 (17:53):
We did almost.

Speaker 7 (17:54):
It wasn't Bad Boy at the time though, because Puff
wasn't or he didn't create bad Boy yet.

Speaker 6 (17:59):
He was still at a time c A is still there.
But you know, thank god we didn't sign to him.
You know what I'm saying. I mean, I love, I
love you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
What he did.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
You understand what I'm saying. But he was just offering
us plaques. We wanted money, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
So it was like we we can't just go with that.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Then he brings the locks forward, thinking this is the
answer to mob deep Yeah.

Speaker 7 (18:22):
And you know, I mean, those are my guys, you
know what I'm saying, Those are my guys. And when
you know, when people in the game come like that,
it's like it only makes you better.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Friendly competitions partners all day.

Speaker 7 (18:38):
But I mean, who fuck with Jadakis? Like, you know
what I'm saying, she loosen styles Pete, you know what
I mean. But Prodigy, you know, with him his level lyricism,
he took over the world, so you know he was
ready to take the world over.

Speaker 6 (18:53):
And it would take, you know, saying, three people to
even mess with Prodigy. And that's who I wrapped along
out with.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah, yeah, Twin Tower Ship strayed up man, Yo, shout
out the queens forgetting that casino mana, you.

Speaker 7 (19:09):
Know, like NAS and sneaky, you know what I'm saying.
He said, Yo, let's release Tajahole. And the next thing
you know, he's owning a casino.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
He's up to something.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
He's putting it together.

Speaker 6 (19:23):
He's up to something.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
But did his mans have to say, sorry, jay Z,
we won again. Now you know he's still alive. Yeah,
why the beef was done. It was over with, it
was dead. They came out together at Summer Jam. Dog
we moved off.

Speaker 6 (19:38):
Yeah, like it's over. But some people love to be kindled.
Oh Ship, you know what I mean? But Nah, I'm
happy for Nas, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Yeah, it's huge for hip hop and his family.

Speaker 6 (19:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's dope.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Yeah yeah, alchemists, you always find yourself unknowingly too part
of a battleground in hip hop.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Right this Yeah, this is unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
It's happened more than once. Are you the problems?

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Maybe you're the problem to look in the mirror, like
am I The reason for these beat.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
And alchemists is like yo, man, listen, man, I love
y'all a drama. Drama shout to Cardi being drama. Yeah,
I think Nicky and Cardi, man, it's time to like
take it the music because it's back and forth on
social media, like all right, ladies, like listen, we held
Drake and Kendrick accountable and hip hop, it's time to
hold them accountable too. For some bars, it's time one
of them is good for an Alchemists beat.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah, I don't you know. Over the years, I was
somehow and I thought looked back. I was like damn.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
I was involved with a lot of controversial records that
turn like you know, like bang bang, but ended up
with with the CNN joint to shoot out over there,
and it was like the animal the beat, it was
actually a beat of annoyed. They ended up being we're
beans and Jada was going back.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
No, it was a fifty.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Fifty and over the years, just like I guess the
beats just like the aggression in them or something, or
like a good, good battleground. But you know, I like
to keep the peace, man, And I'm not about none
of that. I respect it, record it, bro, but you
know I don't I don't you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
I don't get involved in it too much.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
And you know, like I said, I try to keep
it respectful and stay out and stay out of it.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
And we all, man, we all you know what I mean,
because sometimes they want to drag you one way or
another or so I'm.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
A producer nevert relationships, right yeah, and it has it has.
I can't blame anyone for it.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
But I try to like be represent myself because we're
all men here. We're not like in a you know,
on a summer camp, or we're like in different groups
playing a sport.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Game, you know what I mean. So it's like I
try to hold my side of the.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
Street down and represent what I am and not get
too involved in it about you know what it is.
But you can agree with me, right meet the Grahams
is one of the scariest joints of life for sure.

Speaker 6 (21:52):
I mean the beat was like it was dug for.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
It to be a gospel record too, and to have
that done on a gospel records crazy.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Well, that was Dot's magic, you know he did that.
I didn't hear it broke. It wasn't a scary beat
when I sent it to him.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Radio stations play thriller on Halloween. That's what hip hop
stations need to play on Halloween. Beat the Grams. That
ship is crazy scary.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Stop playing.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
I didn't hear it that way. It's funny, man, But yeah,
God blessed man.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
If you heard it when we heard it, absolutely crazy.
Did you send him that beat specifically for the battle? No?

Speaker 3 (22:23):
No, I sent it to him months before when he
was working on the record. It's funny. I sent him
a bat.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
I sent him a batch of records beats, and that one,
funny enough, was something that.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
I had rapped on.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
And last minute I was sending the beats, I said,
and I do this all the time, like, I don't
know if you do. I just muted my verse because
sometimes I'll bet for fun just to test it out.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
So I was like he might like this one, and
I muted it and thank god I took that verse.
I'm just saying. It was started as just like a demo.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
I was messing with it, but I sent him the
beat and even when I sent it to him, it
was called whatever the song I did called instrumental wow.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
And then but this was seven months before it came out,
so I heard it when you guys heard it the song.
So when you hear it, you're like.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Oh, ship, here we go pretty much.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
Yeah, when you hear dar o'donnas Yeah, the test, I
mean text flying.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
In absolutely it was.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
It was. That was a crazy day though, and it
was funny because like that was pretty wild.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
I don't remember any battle like that.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
Remember that day was like a wild and this it
was like a wild up and down that it was
like a trip to in some weird way to be
a part of it, just you know, from producing the beat.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Wold like I do think we've ever seen that. Yeah,
we'll look back on that, like that was.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
What story He's like, I said, Kendrick, five beats a
day forever, all of a sudden, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
And then it was over when it came out.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
You didn't hear it until same we heard.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
It's crazy, it's too urgent.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
At that time, they had to move, you know, they
got I'm gonna call you and do this and come
come mix it and do it.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
I didn't you know I'm in a call though, Yo,
my man, I'm using your beat would have been nice.
Bro we go we good like that like me and
have her good about to drag you into some ship home.
That's all. It takes really fast, but not congratulations though.

(24:23):
Why does taj ho make you want to drink Hennessey?

Speaker 3 (24:27):
It's the sound of it.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
It's like that era we used to drink a lot
of hennessy and smoke like haze from Uptown and the
Washington Heights, and the smell of that and the liquor
just reminds me of that era.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
For wild hennessy, weed, cigarettes, leather, all of that.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Basically they nailed leather cigarette. Yes, tennessee weed that will
put that beat on.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
But yeah, that was It was just you know, like
certain things bring you back, since smells do that with
certain visions or songs.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
But but that song just reminded me of that on there.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Some people can relate it.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Can I get a bar from the new project, a
bar for the new project, and you want people to
understand and feel a line a line the verse first man,
you want to go first? First man.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
You know I'm a old man. I can't remember these lyrics.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
But.

Speaker 7 (25:23):
No, I love the verses that I did from the
new project, like taj mahole hmm and pray to God.
I don't have to get my shooters evolved. I remember
vividly when the rugas result went on. We was in
the distant land. Throw a man bands comfortable around the killers.
Now the blood is on our hands. Outran poverty.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
But ship like this could I don't know, put your
life at risk.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
See that's that under the stairs ship.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Bro, straight up.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
You got crazy, went crazy on this album. One of
my favorite ones you did is when you was.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
Like shoot first, ask questions last, talking to myself why
they tests you have?

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Just having a conversation with himself like that was crazy,
you having a conversation by yourself like this, Now look
what you made me do?

Speaker 6 (26:15):
You made me do?

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (26:17):
When you when you're wrapping alongside somebody like proud you man,
come on, bro, and it's just that that shop is
your sort?

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Immediately, what's your favorite line or bar that he had.

Speaker 6 (26:26):
Stab your brain with your nose bump? Straight up? It
doesn't get no getting more really than that, you know,
straight up?

Speaker 4 (26:35):
Damn that's that ship man. Hell yeah, and he's he's
coming that way on the new project.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
Absolutely, man.

Speaker 7 (26:42):
You know we we we we dug some verses up,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
He's a versus no one has ever heard yet. Right,
some things may have leaked over the years, but nothing
was ever officially released. Like some stuff may be on
the net, somebody will find it on a form or something.
But we made sure to go through the stuff that
we had that was never officially out and like pick
the right stuff, find the right beats.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Some of the records we had already like they had done.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Vocals to or have laid Summer p had laid something too,
and then we finished them up. But we both agreed, like, yo,
we want to make the best thing possible for our brother,
So we wanted to make sure.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
That we put like we sat with it. We tried
a lot of different things, and when they landed, it
was like, you know, like poor the Henny.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
When that verse landed, it was like because what he's
talking about there is scary and I don't want to
ruin it. You know, people they can hear it themselves.
But what he's talking about, like it's like premonitions. It's
like he's literally rapping from where he's at now. Like
I don't know how he thought to write from this perspective,
but yeah, I mean it's gonna have people.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Like yo is he's still alive.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
It's eerie.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
Man.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
When we were making.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
It, yeah, here they come, and we talked, don't have
a day with it. Listen, man, we felt that way
when we were making it because he is here, you know,
the way I feel in me.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
He definitely governed our decisions.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
In mys when we decided what we were going to
use and what stuff jailed the right because he was picky,
you know what I mean. He was He cared about
this small, deep sound, probably more than both of us.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Like he was the protector of it, you know, and even.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
The climate protected it with his life.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
And the climate we're in now, of Indie and all that.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
He was ahead on all that.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
You know how everyone like live streaming or like on
Instagram live you know, you know, I got tapes of Prodigy.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
From what was it like two thousand and one where.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
He used to he would duct tape his VHS camera
to his dashboard and he would drive for an hour
and just talk to the camera.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
And I swear you was logging. He was doing this
twenty years ago. It just wasn't a name for it,
and he didn't know why.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
He was just I'm telling you, I could post it
right now on his instidant. People would have chills, like, wait,
is he driving a car right now? Talking to me?

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Like he was just ahead on a lot of stuff.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
So you know, we had that in mind when we
were making this record, and it was just you know,
you're gonna hear the lyrics visionary shit right there man
always and to hear back his vocals in a cappella
that's gotta that's gotta feel a different different way.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah, I mean we luckily.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
I think you can't explain that until you're experiencing it.
It was and so much footage because I've been going
through the footage and just watching how like one thing
people didn't know about pe he was hilarious.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Now he had a great sense of humor, but you
know you.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
And he'll give you glimpses of it in certain lines,
but you know, he kept that exterior because he's mob deep,
you know what I mean. But if once when I
look at the footage, there's a lot of we have
fun on tour.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Man.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
We used to just clown in the studio and oh
yeah that you know.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
It was a good time, absolutely, and it was like
that's we lived together all through those days. So it
was like that I mean not literally.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
But we were all together.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Yeah. It was a tour studio, so we were like
really a crew, you know, and it was like those
days I'm thankful for because that discipline of seeing how
he was working him and he just making songs.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
That's the juice I still use to this day and
I do what I do over here, you.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Know what I mean, and have it performing it too, right,
Like there's still that that energy behind that performance.

Speaker 7 (30:02):
Yeah, absolutely, man, And I gotta give a shout out
to Rapinoid, will you know, holding me down, you know
when I'm.

Speaker 6 (30:08):
Out there performing.

Speaker 7 (30:09):
Of course, it's never going to be the same, you
know what I mean, without Prodigy, but his energy is
still there, live.

Speaker 6 (30:16):
And full effect.

Speaker 7 (30:16):
And I'm just out here just keeping the name alive.
You know what I'm saying and extending the legacy as
much as I.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Can, Yes, sir, And we appreciate that. Dog my date.
Thank you, infinite word. Let's get it man. Congratulations guys
for real. Man, come see us any time.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Man, appreciate appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Man, I got like I got my thirty more questions.
We gotta go.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
We appreciate your support for real.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
Manday Man, you're talking about hip hop kids here, man.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
I know.

Speaker 6 (30:45):
But tenth October tenth.

Speaker 7 (30:48):
Yeah, oh, let me do one more plug please me?
And Ray Kuan is going on the thirtieth anniversary for
the Cute thirtieth anniversary or the Cuban Link, yes, sir,
and the infamous album that's going to be starting in
November November eleventh. Y'all get your tickets from ticket Master.

Speaker 6 (31:01):
You know what I'm saying. It's going down.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Y'all dropping merge for that hell yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely,
let's get it.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Man. You still the day for the album again too.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
October tenth is going down.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
October ten album. Yeah, you're still smoking cigarettes?

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Who told you that?

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Man? Man, listen.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Cigarettes.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
I want to bum one off of you, Mann.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
If I don't smoke.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
If I'm gonna smoke a cigarette's gonna be with alchemy.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I left it in the car.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
But looking out for you, Looking at one less cigarette,
one one less cigarette, youre right appreciate a fella. Let's
get a cruise show. Yeah, he's Jack get Rich from
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