October 1, 2025 • 31 mins
Alchemist & Havoc stopped by the Cruz Show to talk about the new Mobb Deep Project which includes Prodigy. Alchemist slo told some funny stories about being dragged into various beefs because he produced the tracks. Havoc told some great stories about Mobb Deep and more. Great interview for Hip Hop Fans
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, what's up?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:15):
Let's go, Hey, Cruise Show Real ninety two to three.
Havoc is here, Alchemist is here? Holy shit, what's up?
I feel like we should have gunshots going on. Body's
dropping hits the floor? Man, go let's get it man,
do we have I mean, if we can put a
number of how many crimes were committed to y'all music?
(00:37):
How how you know like or how many razor blades
were hit under a tongue? Like yo, bro like? Man, congratulations,
it's been a vicious career man, and look at it now, yes, sir,
we survived it. Man, No man, Alchemists, pleasure having you here.
Thank you very much for the time and energy and
the music. Havoc Are you fucking kidding me? Yo? Right man?
(01:01):
Thank you for being here. We appreciate it. Thank you
for having me all day?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
How's that la treating y'all? You know, I know you
live here. You o g from Beverly Hills. Yeah, absolutely,
that's right.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I'm in Santa Monica now, I got a little studio
out there and the cut, so that's right.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You never leave, You're always in that study. I really
don't a little worried about these days.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I mean, you know, some good stuff comes out of it.
I don't know where.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Where should I go to the beach?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Now?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
You work so much, you don't even know, Dog, that's crazy.
Maybe in the park, I don't know, right.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I gotta I got two little ones, so when I'm
not in the studio, I'm with them.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So we have absolutely kids, dog, and all those projects
you draw. You've been cooking for a few years now,
back to back to back consecutively, right, like yo, do
you there's no time for anything else? Right? So music? Kids?
Do you even have a real idea yet? Are your
taxes in line?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
You know your certificated?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yes? Your healthcare provider? Are you aware who it is?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Okay, check all those you get the new iPhone?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And I appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
You care about me.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
CRUs really cares about crews cares Dog. I'm with you, Homie,
I've been I've been seeing you drop project after the project,
and I'm like, Yo, this dude right here hasn't seen
daylight in a long time.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Listen, this is what we live for, you know what
I mean. I started this when I was fifteen. I'm
well into my forties now, and it's like it feels
like things are just starting to happen now, if it
makes any sense. I mean, but when I flashed back
to the days I met them, I felt the same
way then. So it's like I'm just trying to keep
that feeling going of new experiences and new heights every year.
And now, you know, date day a lot of you know,
(02:37):
you could put my my production on the timeline and
it'll be like before and after meeting mom deep you know.
So like linking with them pretty much changed everything for me.
So it means a lot to even be with him
promoting this album for our brother and for the world.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
You know, infinite, absolutely honest way we got to it.
New bars, new verses, yeah's crazy?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Have it?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Did you have these vocals?
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I had some of them. I had some of them.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
I was, you know, blessed to get them from a
prodigy's of state.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
You know what I mean from his family.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
Yeah, Alchemists had versus and we just you know, got
together collectively and you know, just just put some work
to him.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, got to it.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
How long did this take? Time? Like? How long did
it take to get together completely? Because you're piecing up
stuff you got versus You're right, You're you're putting it
all together. It's almost like a puzzle, right.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
I Mean the idea was that the album was in
you know, our idea for a few years now, and
over the past course of a year, you know, me
and Alchemists got together and said, okay, you know, now's
the time finally to start working on the project.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
And it was seamless.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
You know.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
I always love, you know, visiting our studio because I
feel like I get some kind of.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Energy coming out of there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
And I'm not just saying that because he's here, but
when I get there, it's the energy. Sometimes I need
to get outside of my own studio, you know what
I mean and get some different air.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
And so we did that and we started the.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Album and it was just, you know, it was a
good feeling.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Wow. I feel like it's a perfect time too to
promote it too, like October, y'all, shit is so scary
right on time.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
That's the perfect time, right on time, And you know,
it's crazy. I thought about this after we made the record.
I was like, Damn, he really was the leader of
this album in a weird way because you know, the
the vocals that we had, we had, so when we
made these records, a lot of them, we kind of
listen to where he was at with it and try
to figure out, like if have had to add on
(04:40):
some songs we had already, something were left over that
we pieced up. But it was like, when I think
about him, like we really followed his lead because that's
what we had, you know, and was able to fill
in and do what he could. But that tripped me
out when I thought about it, Like even in his absence,
he's still like the leader of a mob deep campaign, you.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
As far as the topics where we went with it
and how to match beats that we felt would do
justice to our brother because we had so many years
of working with him and we're so lucky, and it
was like, I feel like we both know, Like I
talked to him, I know you talked to him. So
it's like like any if you have a friend who's gone,
you could talk to him in your head and be like,
I wonder what do you think about this? And you
(05:21):
know him so well that you can make a guess
over what he'll probably feel like if a movie comes out,
you I got people wouldn't have liked this movie. He
would have liked these Jordan's I know him that well.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
You know, that's holy shit, that's holy shit.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
We knew.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I feel like that if you know, Prodigy is still there, right,
so he's still leading the way, right And there's also
you know, you say, he wouldn't like that, right, So
was there that moment where you completed a song or
you're in the middle of cooking something up you're like, nah,
people wouldn't like that, Let's move on.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I definitely had that in the back of my head.
But I think we were really dialed in and it
was really a synergy of me and half getting together
and like pushing the idea the beginning of this record
before we linked with Master Pear and then we got
with Knaves and Mass Appeal, and it was like and
with their forces we were able to make you know,
craft the rest of the record and make something out
of your legendary. But it was really I think starting
(06:10):
us and just like him and I like getting together
for Pee and for the Mob Deep legacy because this
is not about money, This is not about any of
that stuff. This is about the legacy of Mob Deep
keeping it going because in his absence, I realized, like, damn,
his voice is missing. The sound of Mob Deep is missing,
is like a void in hip hop, and that it'll
(06:32):
go on and it'll change. But like we're still here,
have is right here. I'm here, and I'm like, we
got to keep this legacy going for us, for the
what they did in the past and for pe you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
So I right, yo, Havoc is here, Alchemists is still here.
Like that means Prodigy is still here.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Absolutely absolutely you know.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It ain't going nowhere. And it's crazy, Havoc is there
are bars there a line off of Infinite that you
that that Prodigy said or laid down that you you
know you're still thinking about.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Man man all of them.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
To be honest with you, I'm not even gonna lie
because uh he never you know what I'm saying. Never
disappoints with anything that he says.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
And I remnce words right, Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
You know, I've been so close to it, just sometimes
I don't realize how dope, you.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
All of his lyrics are you know what I mean?
So just everything that he did on this album is
just you know, crazy to me, you know, but of course, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I told him and always so crazy to hear his voice.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
It's been in my headphones for for years, you know
what I mean, or whatever it may be, and it's
like to hear your voice and person's amazing. Do you
remember the first time when you were younger and you
heard your song on the radio the first freaking time?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
When what did you do? Where were you at? What
did you do? Like that picture that's such a career.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Yeah, it was a career defining the moment. And I
remember probably himing it on you know, one of seven
point five wbls something like that in New York and
just being like to myself, like, damn.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I made it.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Like didn't make no money yet or nothing like that,
but still feeling like I really made it.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
You know, your music has played on the radio and
people think you're insanely a millionaire exactly. It started getting
those calls.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yeah yeah, truthy.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
But as artist, we come into this game not even
knowing that you could make money or it's not about
the money crazy. You know, when you find out you
can make money off it, that's when you just tainted
for life.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Like yeah, everything changed. You find out the truth behind
the curtains and you hate that part. So that's how
the sausages made pause right, yeah, dog, it's insane man,
it's infinitely Why are we waiting on it?
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Man?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
And like yo, like so the production on this had
to be correct, right?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Did we bring.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Anyone else in? It was really just me and Half Beautiful,
you know. I felt like that was always the way
it's supposed to be. I think that was well, it's
Havoc as the leader, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
He created the sound and even when I over the
years made mob deep production, he was inspired and I
always felt like it was falling off of his tree
because if it was a style he created, you know.
And so while we were making this record, I felt like, Yo,
let's get up, let's do how we used to do.
You know, you make the basis of this record, the
majority of it, and anytime I rock with the Mob,
(09:23):
it was always like two or three joints add on
to what he already had. So I felt like, that's
the formula. Let's go back to what it was and
just get to it and if it's not broke, don't
fix it. And we have I mean a million incredible
producer friends and people out there that I'm sure would
have came through, but I felt like it wasn't about
that for this.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Let's keep it home.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Yeah, to restore that feeling in the sound, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
This way the sound is authentic and it just cuts
through like a knife. And you know what I appreciate
too with like today, right, twenty twenty five, right, like
the journey of Mob Deep Alchemist. Right, it's still documented
on TikTok on YouTube. You see if you guys cooking
in the studio, like all that stuff is just great
to watch man. And it was years ago. Whose idea
(10:07):
was to start filming.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Alc Nah, Actually it was Pee oh okay, Pee.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Pete, But I followed his lead. But at the time,
you know, I was they were already Mob Deep. So
when I first came into the camp. I was so
excited that I filmed everything. So like from let's say
like ninety eight to two thousand and six or seven,
but when we were really rocking together every day, I
have just tons of footage, you know what I mean.
(10:34):
So it's like that's one of my most prized possessions
in life, you know, like these are the memories. Now
we're in the era now where everything is filmed and
everything is posted in real time, and it's like I
tell some of these young guys like YO, have a
little constraint and save some footage that you don't post
and just put it in a freezer. Because like even
when I was working with Action and it's been like
(10:55):
ten years now, we were doing you know, like this
TV show and stuff. I was filming everything. Yeah two
missed and that was feeling everything then and they were like, yo,
why you keep feeling I'm like, trust me, in ten years,
you guys are gonna thank me, you know what I mean.
And it was like, I don't know, just the excitement
of being in these situations the world to me, Like
I'm with mob Deep SO and p SO we have
(11:16):
a lot of footage and we even actually me and
have put together this like forty five minute it's not
a documentary. It's really just going to say, it's just
me and peace footage. I cut it up myself and
it just shows you us in the studio and on
tour through that era, and it's like there's some days
where you could see because they have the same outfit on.
They did three songs in the day. You see it,
(11:38):
You see it.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, magic, It was.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Unbelievable, and you know, I just feel lucky to be
that I was there to witness it and to have
some of that inspire me because that's my mission, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Ah Yo, that documentary is coming week. We got a week.
It's not even let's say this.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I'm sure there will be a real documentary from all
deep in a movie because it deserves the story.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Man.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
But this is is just raw for the people that
like to be a fly on the wall. This is
just me and Pete filming.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
But that's what see. We want to see that. I
want to see that on the big screen and then
I want to see it at the house. Yeah, yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Documentary was so good.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
With Oh man, do I love that one sat.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
There for like an hour. He just felt like you
were there.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Or even Gay's recent documentary where he's.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I heard they got a lot of crazy footage.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, wow footage.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
It seemed like he knew all through his career to film.
There's so much footage of it. It's like, you know,
I don't know. That's one thing I tell to young guys,
like save some of it, don't just post everything. And
that's right.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
You know for sure you've been on camera since you
were fourteen years old.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Right with the Hooligans, Yeah, absolutely, man was rapping. Yeah,
with Scott Kahane, James Conn's son. That's that's still my
best friend. Rest in peace, James Conn.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
James. Yeah, we grew up around him. It was that
was like you know, second father when I was a kid.
You know his house, It's like damnit with Sonny. Yeah,
because he never really he never really snapped out of
that role.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Like if you met him, you're thinking he's Italian. Sam
was the man like he was so was he scary,
he was you know, what are you doing? Get out
of But he wasn't Italian? Oh my god, he wasn't.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
He was just I mean, yeah, I was lucky to
be around that too.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
And Scotty.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
You know when we wrapped, you know, like he had,
we had connects. His dad was gonna have Francis for
a couple of directive video in Scott. I was like no,
because he didn't want nothing to do, you know when
you're young.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
For him, Yeah, myself. They would ask us some.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Interviews we heard you know one of you guys. He'd like, yeah,
him his father's he would always like, you know what
I'm saying. But look in the end he went that
route and became like a super successful look actor. He's great,
he's killing man. Shout out to my brother Scotty. And
the funny thing he's tuned in on all the rap stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I was gonna say, yeah, I bet you can still spit.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
It still spit. And every time I dropped something new
or some new good, that new earl sweatshirt's crazy that
that's out, or this year he's up on everything, I'm like, yeah, yeah,
he's even tripping. He hit me about the Mob album,
so it's like, you know, I'm still tied in with
all the same people from Soul Assassins. I'm you know,
original Soul Disasters.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
From Yeah, you know it's crazy, you're a Cali kid, right,
but like your your sound is so New York.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Is fair absolutely, and you know I think about it sometimes,
like had I not moved out there and like kind
of met them, it happened. But sometimes I think about
Premiere too, because Premiere came from Texas and you can't
tell me a more New York sound than DJ Premiere,
That's right. So it's like it ain't where you're from
this well you're at type of situation.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
But were you, Like, yo, you're a Cali boy.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
At first, Like I didn't even know he was from Caliberia.
I'm not even gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Finding this out today and the top of the top.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Of all over I thought he was Puerto Rican.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
So yeah, mustache is he's getting away with murdering. You're like, yo,
what the fuck is this?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Right?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I saw a video two of like big hit right,
shout out the big hit Man. He was like, I
don't know so many songs with you. I didn't know
you were white.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
You know, he really didn't know.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
He's so crazy.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I wouldn't let him down. But you know that's my
shout the big hit free, big hit Man man.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, big he's you know, he's back in there man, but.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
He's gonna get back out and do it right. Shout
out to him and shout to my brother, hit boy.
You know that's like family, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Now you and hip BOYD did that justice?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got something coming to We'll be back.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
We'll be back, Is that right? Guard sak We'll be back? Okay?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Absolutely? Huh with his shouting hit boys, my brother killing
it right now too, man, crazy always crazy inspiration havoc.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
As as as a producer yourself, right, like, was there
a West Coast inspiration of yours coming up as well?
I mean, of course you got Doctor Dre was making
crazy noise out of here.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Yeah yeah, like I mean it's fall back as n
w A Like you know, my one of my favorite
hip hop groups of all time. A big fan of
Easy E, Doctor Dre and all of that, and seeing
him kill it and then to aspire to be a
rapper myself. To see Snoop going crazy with it and
with Doctor Dre, Doctor Dre rein inventing himself so to speak.
(16:18):
You know, I was a super fan of that, and
so it kind of inspired me to like, do you know,
because you know, New York was on a little bit
of a you know, Hiatus came to the scene.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Was it tough to be a fan of the West
Coast when all that happened, shit was happening too, No, no, no,
because I didn't let nothing, because I would have been like,
fuck them all, one of them don't like me, fuck
them all?
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Yeah, yeah, no, you know, I didn't get involved with
out of the nuances, you know, the East Coast, West
Coast shit.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I like, I really, I'm a fan of music period,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
And in my mind, I always just thought that New
York was the dopest and nobody could fuck with New York,
you understand. So they hear cats from another different place,
especially La, you know what I'm saying, being just as
good as what we was doing over here. It blew
my fucking mind, you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
It made me a permanent fit.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
So when you know, some of the bullshit was happening,
kind of upset me, you know what I'm saying, Just
to see because you know, we always got love coming
out here period.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
No, who got the crazy shot? That was Mob Deep
Nas and jay Z Right, who got the craziest shot
out from Pak. I mean he wanted to take on
the entire coast. God.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Yeah, we loved it, right, I was like, yeah, let's
get it, let's go.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
It almost puts like a battery on your back, right, absolutely,
I still got it. That's right, That's right, my man.
I love that. I love that stat energy. Though. Did
you guys almost find a bad boy as well?
Speaker 5 (17:53):
We did almost.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
It wasn't bad Boy at the time though, because Puff
wasn't or he didn't create bad Boy yet.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
He was still at a time c A.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Is still there.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
But you know, thank god we didn't sign to him.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I mean, I love, I love you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
What he did.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
You understand what I'm saying. But he was just offering
us plaques. We wanted money, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
So it was like we we can't just go with that.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Then he brings the locks forward, thinking this is the
answer to mob deep.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Yeah, and you know, I mean, those are my guys,
you know what I'm saying, Those are my guys. And
when you know, when people in the game come like that,
it's like it only makes you better.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Friendly competitions, partners, all day.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
But I mean, who fuck with Jaydakus, Like, you know
what I'm saying, she loosen styles pe you know what
I mean.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
But Prodigy, you.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Know, with him his level lyricism, he took over the world,
so you know he was ready to take the world over.
And it would take, you know, saying, three people to
even mess with Prodigy. And that's who I wrapped along
out with.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah, yeah, twin tower Ship straight up man, Yo, shout
out the queens forgetting that casino man that way, you know,
like Nas and Sneaky.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
He said, Yo, let's release Tajahole. And the next thing
you know, he's owning a casino.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
He's up to something. He's putting it together.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
He's up to something.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
But did his mans have to say, sorry, jay Z,
we won again. Now you know he's still alive. Why
the beef was done? It was over with, it was dead.
They came out together at Summer Jam Dog we moved on.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Yeah, like it's over, but some.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
People love to re kindled. Oh shit, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
But nah, I'm happy for Nas.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
You know what I mean. Yeah, it's huge for hip
hop and his family. Yeah, yeah, it's dope. Yeah, yeah, Alchemists,
you always find yourself unknowingly too part of a battle
ground in hip hop.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Right, yeah, this is unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
It's happened more than once. Are you the problems? Maybe
you're the problem? Look in the mirror, like am I
the reason for these beats? And Alchemists like yo, man, listen, man,
I love y'all am drama drama shout to Cardi being drama. Yeah,
I think Nicki and Cardi man, it's time to like
take it the music because it's back and forth on
social media, like all right, ladies, like listen, we held
(20:22):
Drake and Kendrick accountable and hip hop, it's time to
hold them accountable too. For some bars, it's time one
of them is good for an Alchemists beat.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Yeah, I don't you know. Over the years, I was
somehow and I thought looked back. I was like damn.
I was involved with a lot of controversial records that
turn like you know, like bang bang, but ended up
with the CNN joint to shoot out and over there,
and it was like the animal the beat, it was
actually a beat of annoyed. They ended up being We're
Beans and Jada was going back. No, it was a
(20:52):
fifty fifty and over the years it's like, I guess
the beats just like the aggression in them or something,
or like a good, good battleground.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
But you know, I.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Like to keep the peace, man, and I'm not about
none of that. I respect it, record, bro, but you
know I don't I don't you know what I'm saying.
I don't get involved in it too much. And you know,
like I said, I try to keep it respectful and
stay out, ye stay out of it. And we all, man,
we all you know what I mean, because sometimes they
want to drag you one way or another or.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I'm a producervert relationships, right yeah, and it has and
it has.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I can't blame anyone for it. But I try to
like be represent myself because we're all men here. We're
not like in a you know, on the summer camp,
or we're like in different groups playing a sport game,
you know what I mean. So it's like I try
to hold my side of the street down and represent
what I am and not get too involved in it
about you know what it is.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
But you can agree with me, right meet. The Grahams
is one of the scariest joints of life for sure.
I mean the beat was like it was dug for
it to be a gospel record too, And to have
that done on a gospel record with crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Well, that was Dot's magic. You know he did that.
I didn't hear it broke. It wasn't a scary beat
when I sent it to him.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Radio stations play thriller on Halloween. That's what hip hop
stations on Halloween. Meet the grams. That ship is crazy scary.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Stop playing.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I didn't hear it that way. It's funny, man, But yeah,
God blessed man.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
If you heard it when we heard it.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Did you send him that beat specifically for the battle?
Speaker 6 (22:23):
No?
Speaker 4 (22:23):
No, I sent it to him months before when he
was working on the record. It's funny. I sent him
with bats. I sent him a batch of records beats,
and that one, funny enough, was something that I had
rapped on. And last minute I was sending the beats,
I said, and I do this all the time, like,
I don't know if you do. I just muted my
verse because sometimes I'll beat for fun just.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
To test it out.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
So I was like he might like this one, and
I muted it, and thank God, I took that verse.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
It was started as just like a demo. I was
messing with it. But I sent him the beat and
even when I sent it to him it was called
whatever the song I did called instrumental wow.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
And then but this was seven months before it came out.
So I heard it when you guys heard.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
It the song. So when you hear it, you're like, oh, ship,
here we go pretty much. Yeah, when you hear dar
o'donnas Yeah, the test, I mean text flying.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
In absolutely, it was.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
It was.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
That was a crazy day though, and it was funny
because like that was pretty wild. I don't remember any
battle like that.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Remember that day was like a wild and.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
This it was like a wild up and down that
it was like a trip to in some weird way
to be a part of it, just you know, from
producing the beat, wold.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Like I don't think we've ever seen that.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yeah, we'll look back on that, Like that was what story.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
He's like, I said, Kendrick, five beats a day forever,
all of a sudden, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
And then it was over when it came out.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
You didn't hear it until we heard it it's crazy,
you know, it's too urgent at that time. They had
to move, you know, And I got on there call
you and this and come mix it and do I
didn't you know.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I'm in a call though, Yo, my man, I'm using
your beat would have been nice. Bro we good like
that like me and have her good. I'm about to
drag you into some ship home, That's all. It takes
really fast, but not congratulations though. Why does U taj
(24:24):
ho make you want to drink Hennessee?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
It's the sound of it. It's like that era we
used to drink a lot of hennessy and smoke like
haze from Uptown and the Washington Heights And the smell
of that and the liquor just reminds me of that era.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Wild hennessy, weed, cigarettes, leather, all of that. Basically they
nailed leather cigarette, Yes, Tennessee weed.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
That'll put that beat on. But yeah, that was It
was just you know, like certain things bring you back,
since smells do that with certain visions or songs. But
but that song just reminded me of that on there.
That's right. Some people can relate it.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Can I get a bar from a new project?
Speaker 5 (25:04):
A bar for the new project.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
You want people to understand and feel a line a
line the verse first man, you want me to go first,
first man. You know I'm a old man.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I can't remember these lyrics, but no, I love the
verses that I did from the New project, like.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Taz mahole hmmm and pray to God I don't have
to get my shooters evolved. I remember vividly when the
rugas result went on. We was in the distant land.
Throw a man bands comfortable around the killers. Now the
blood is on our hands. Outran poverty, but ship like
this could I don't know, put your life at risks.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
See that's that under the stairs ship, bro, straight up,
you got crazy, went crazy on this album. One of
my favorite ones you did is when you was like
shoot first, ask questions last, talking to myself why they
test you have.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Just having a conversation with himself like that was the
album was crazy. You're having a conversation by yourself like this, Now.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Look what you made me do?
Speaker 6 (26:15):
You made me do? Yeah? When you when you wrap
it alongside somebody like proud of you man, Come on bro,
and it's just that that shop is your sort. Immediately,
what's your favorite line or bar that he had stay
brain with your nose bump straight up. It doesn't get
no getting more really than that, you know, straight up.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Damn that's that ship man. Hell yeah, and he's he's
coming that way on the new project. Absolutely, man. You
know we we we we dug some verses up, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
He's a versus no one has ever heard yet, right,
for some things may have leaked over the years, but
nothing was ever officially released. Like some stuff may be
on the net, somebody will find it on a forum
or something. But we made sure to go through the
stuff that we had that was never officially out and
like pick the right stuff, find the right beats. Some
of the records we had already like they had done
(27:07):
vocals to or have laid Summer p had laid something too,
and then we finished them up. But we both agreed, like, yo,
we want to make the best thing possible for our brother,
So we wanted to make sure that we put like
we sat with it. We tried a lot of different things,
and when they landed, it was like, you know, like
poor the Henny. When that verse landed, it was like,
(27:27):
because what he's talking about there is scary, and I
don't want to ruin it. You know, people they can
hear it themselves. But when he's talking about like it's
like premonitions. It's like he's literally rapping from where he's
at now. Like I don't know how he thought to
write from this perspective, but yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
It's gonna have people like yo is he's still alive.
It's eerie.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Man.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
When we were making it, yeah, here they come, and
we talked, don't have a day with it.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Listen, man, we felt that way when we were making
it because he is here, you know, the way I
feel in me. He definitely governed our decisions in mys
when we decided what we were going to use and
what stuff jailed the right because he was picky, you
know what I mean. He was He cared about this small,
deep sound, probably more than both of us. Like he
was the protector of it, you know, and even the
climate protected it with his life and the climate we're
(28:11):
in now, of Indie and all that. He was ahead
on all that. You know how everyone like live streaming
or like on Instagram live you know, you know, I
got tapes of Prodigy from what was it like two
thousand and one where he used to he would duct
tape his VHS camera to his dashboard and he would
drive for an hour and just talk to the camera.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
And I swear you was logging.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
He was doing this twenty years ago. It just wasn't
a name for it, and he didn't know why. He
was just I'm telling you, I could post it right
now on his inscidant. People would have chills, like, wait,
is he driving a car right now? Talking to me?
Like he was just ahead on a lot of stuff. So,
you know, we had that in mind when we were
making this record, and it was just you know, you're
gonna hear the.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Lyrics visionary shit right there man always and to hear
back his vocals in a cappella that's got to that's
gotta feel a different different way.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Yeah, I mean we luckily.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I think you can't explain that until you're experiencing it.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
It was and so much footage because I've been going
through the footage and just watching how like one thing
people didn't know about Pee he was hilarious. Now he
had a great sense of humor, but you know, you
he'll give you glimpses of it in certain lines, but
you know he kept that exterior because he's mob deep,
you know what I mean. But if once when I
look at the footage, there's a lot of we have
(29:27):
fun on tour.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Man.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
We used to just clown in the studio and oh
yeah that you know. It was a good time, absolutely,
and it was like that's we lived together all through
those days. So it was like that I mean not literally,
but we were all together.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
It was a tour studio, so we were like really
a crew, you know, and it was like those days
I'm thankful for because that discipline of seeing how he
was working him and he just making songs. That's the
juice I still use to this day and I do
what I do over here, you know what.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I mean, and have it performing it too, right, Like
there's still that that energy behind that performance.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
Yeah, absolutely, man, And I gotta give a shout out
to Rapinoid will be you know, holding me down, you
know when I'm out there performing. Of course, it's never
going to be the same, you know what I mean,
without Prodigy, but his energy is still there, live and
full effect. And I'm just out here just keeping the
name alive, you know what I'm saying and extending the
legacy as much.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
As I can, yes, sir, and we appreciate that dog
my date. Thank you, infinite word. Let's get it man.
Congratulations guys for Real Man. Come see us any time.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Man, appreciate appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Man, I got like I got my thirty more questions.
We gotta go right.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
We appreciate your support for Real Man all day.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Man.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
You're talking about hip hop kids here, man.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
I know. But tenth October tenth, tenth, yeah, oh, let
me do one more plug please me? And Ray Kuan
is going on the thirtieth anniversary for the Cute thirtieth
anniversary or the Cuban Link, yes, sir, and the infamous
album that's going to be starting in November November eleventh.
Y'all get your tickets from ticket Master.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
It's going down y'all dropping merge for that? Hell yeah
yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, Let's get it man.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
You still about the day for the album again too.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
October tenth is going down.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
October ten album? Yeah, you're still smoking cigarettes?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Who told you that?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Man? Man?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Listenarettes?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I want to bum one off of you. Man. Man,
if I don't smoke, if I'm gonna smoke a cigarette.
Its gonna be with alchemy. I left it in the car,
but looking out for you. One less cigarette, one less cigarette.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You're right.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Appreciate a fella. Let's get a Cruise Show related Yeah,
hey jacket Rich for the Cruise Show. Thanks for listening
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Speaker 3 (00:15):
Let's go, Hey, Cruise Show Real ninety two to three.
Havoc is here, Alchemist is here? Holy shit, what's up?
I feel like we should have gunshots going on. Body's
dropping hits the floor? Man, go let's get it man,
do we have I mean, if we can put a
number of how many crimes were committed to y'all music?
(00:37):
How how you know like or how many razor blades
were hit under a tongue? Like yo, bro like? Man, congratulations,
it's been a vicious career man, and look at it now, yes, sir,
we survived it. Man, No man, Alchemists, pleasure having you here.
Thank you very much for the time and energy and
the music. Havoc Are you fucking kidding me? Yo? Right man?
(01:01):
Thank you for being here. We appreciate it. Thank you
for having me all day?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
How's that la treating y'all? You know, I know you
live here. You o g from Beverly Hills. Yeah, absolutely,
that's right.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I'm in Santa Monica now, I got a little studio
out there and the cut, so that's right.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You never leave, You're always in that study. I really
don't a little worried about these days.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I mean, you know, some good stuff comes out of it.
I don't know where.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Where should I go to the beach?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Now?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
You work so much, you don't even know, Dog, that's crazy.
Maybe in the park, I don't know, right.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I gotta I got two little ones, so when I'm
not in the studio, I'm with them.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So we have absolutely kids, dog, and all those projects
you draw. You've been cooking for a few years now,
back to back to back consecutively, right, like yo, do
you there's no time for anything else? Right? So music? Kids?
Do you even have a real idea yet? Are your
taxes in line?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
You know your certificated?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yes? Your healthcare provider? Are you aware who it is?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Okay, check all those you get the new iPhone?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And I appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
You care about me.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
CRUs really cares about crews cares Dog. I'm with you, Homie,
I've been I've been seeing you drop project after the project,
and I'm like, Yo, this dude right here hasn't seen
daylight in a long time.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Listen, this is what we live for, you know what
I mean. I started this when I was fifteen. I'm
well into my forties now, and it's like it feels
like things are just starting to happen now, if it
makes any sense. I mean, but when I flashed back
to the days I met them, I felt the same
way then. So it's like I'm just trying to keep
that feeling going of new experiences and new heights every year.
And now, you know, date day a lot of you know,
(02:37):
you could put my my production on the timeline and
it'll be like before and after meeting mom deep you know.
So like linking with them pretty much changed everything for me.
So it means a lot to even be with him
promoting this album for our brother and for the world.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
You know, infinite, absolutely honest way we got to it.
New bars, new verses, yeah's crazy?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Have it?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Did you have these vocals?
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I had some of them. I had some of them.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
I was, you know, blessed to get them from a
prodigy's of state.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
You know what I mean from his family.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
Yeah, Alchemists had versus and we just you know, got
together collectively and you know, just just put some work
to him.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, got to it.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
How long did this take? Time? Like? How long did
it take to get together completely? Because you're piecing up
stuff you got versus You're right, You're you're putting it
all together. It's almost like a puzzle, right.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
I Mean the idea was that the album was in
you know, our idea for a few years now, and
over the past course of a year, you know, me
and Alchemists got together and said, okay, you know, now's
the time finally to start working on the project.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
And it was seamless.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
You know.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
I always love, you know, visiting our studio because I
feel like I get some kind of.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Energy coming out of there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
And I'm not just saying that because he's here, but
when I get there, it's the energy. Sometimes I need
to get outside of my own studio, you know what
I mean and get some different air.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
And so we did that and we started the.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Album and it was just, you know, it was a
good feeling.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Wow. I feel like it's a perfect time too to
promote it too, like October, y'all, shit is so scary
right on time.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
That's the perfect time, right on time, And you know,
it's crazy. I thought about this after we made the record.
I was like, Damn, he really was the leader of
this album in a weird way because you know, the
the vocals that we had, we had, so when we
made these records, a lot of them, we kind of
listen to where he was at with it and try
to figure out, like if have had to add on
(04:40):
some songs we had already, something were left over that
we pieced up. But it was like, when I think
about him, like we really followed his lead because that's
what we had, you know, and was able to fill
in and do what he could. But that tripped me
out when I thought about it, Like even in his absence,
he's still like the leader of a mob deep campaign, you.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
As far as the topics where we went with it
and how to match beats that we felt would do
justice to our brother because we had so many years
of working with him and we're so lucky, and it
was like, I feel like we both know, Like I
talked to him, I know you talked to him. So
it's like like any if you have a friend who's gone,
you could talk to him in your head and be like,
I wonder what do you think about this? And you
(05:21):
know him so well that you can make a guess
over what he'll probably feel like if a movie comes out,
you I got people wouldn't have liked this movie. He
would have liked these Jordan's I know him that well.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
You know, that's holy shit, that's holy shit.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
We knew.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I feel like that if you know, Prodigy is still there, right,
so he's still leading the way, right And there's also
you know, you say, he wouldn't like that, right, So
was there that moment where you completed a song or
you're in the middle of cooking something up you're like, nah,
people wouldn't like that, Let's move on.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I definitely had that in the back of my head.
But I think we were really dialed in and it
was really a synergy of me and half getting together
and like pushing the idea the beginning of this record
before we linked with Master Pear and then we got
with Knaves and Mass Appeal, and it was like and
with their forces we were able to make you know,
craft the rest of the record and make something out
of your legendary. But it was really I think starting
(06:10):
us and just like him and I like getting together
for Pee and for the Mob Deep legacy because this
is not about money, This is not about any of
that stuff. This is about the legacy of Mob Deep
keeping it going because in his absence, I realized, like, damn,
his voice is missing. The sound of Mob Deep is missing,
is like a void in hip hop, and that it'll
(06:32):
go on and it'll change. But like we're still here,
have is right here. I'm here, and I'm like, we
got to keep this legacy going for us, for the
what they did in the past and for pe you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
So I right, yo, Havoc is here, Alchemists is still here.
Like that means Prodigy is still here.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Absolutely absolutely you know.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It ain't going nowhere. And it's crazy, Havoc is there
are bars there a line off of Infinite that you
that that Prodigy said or laid down that you you
know you're still thinking about.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Man man all of them.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
To be honest with you, I'm not even gonna lie
because uh he never you know what I'm saying. Never
disappoints with anything that he says.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
And I remnce words right, Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
You know, I've been so close to it, just sometimes
I don't realize how dope, you.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
All of his lyrics are you know what I mean?
So just everything that he did on this album is
just you know, crazy to me, you know, but of course, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I told him and always so crazy to hear his voice.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
It's been in my headphones for for years, you know
what I mean, or whatever it may be, and it's
like to hear your voice and person's amazing. Do you
remember the first time when you were younger and you
heard your song on the radio the first freaking time?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
When what did you do? Where were you at? What
did you do? Like that picture that's such a career.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Yeah, it was a career defining the moment. And I
remember probably himing it on you know, one of seven
point five wbls something like that in New York and
just being like to myself, like, damn.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I made it.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Like didn't make no money yet or nothing like that,
but still feeling like I really made it.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
You know, your music has played on the radio and
people think you're insanely a millionaire exactly. It started getting
those calls.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yeah yeah, truthy.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
But as artist, we come into this game not even
knowing that you could make money or it's not about
the money crazy. You know, when you find out you
can make money off it, that's when you just tainted
for life.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Like yeah, everything changed. You find out the truth behind
the curtains and you hate that part. So that's how
the sausages made pause right, yeah, dog, it's insane man,
it's infinitely Why are we waiting on it?
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Man?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
And like yo, like so the production on this had
to be correct, right?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Did we bring.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Anyone else in? It was really just me and Half Beautiful,
you know. I felt like that was always the way
it's supposed to be. I think that was well, it's
Havoc as the leader, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
He created the sound and even when I over the
years made mob deep production, he was inspired and I
always felt like it was falling off of his tree
because if it was a style he created, you know.
And so while we were making this record, I felt like, Yo,
let's get up, let's do how we used to do.
You know, you make the basis of this record, the
majority of it, and anytime I rock with the Mob,
(09:23):
it was always like two or three joints add on
to what he already had. So I felt like, that's
the formula. Let's go back to what it was and
just get to it and if it's not broke, don't
fix it. And we have I mean a million incredible
producer friends and people out there that I'm sure would
have came through, but I felt like it wasn't about
that for this.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Let's keep it home.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Yeah, to restore that feeling in the sound, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
This way the sound is authentic and it just cuts
through like a knife. And you know what I appreciate
too with like today, right, twenty twenty five, right, like
the journey of Mob Deep Alchemist. Right, it's still documented
on TikTok on YouTube. You see if you guys cooking
in the studio, like all that stuff is just great
to watch man. And it was years ago. Whose idea
(10:07):
was to start filming.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Alc Nah, Actually it was Pee oh okay, Pee.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Pete, But I followed his lead. But at the time,
you know, I was they were already Mob Deep. So
when I first came into the camp. I was so
excited that I filmed everything. So like from let's say
like ninety eight to two thousand and six or seven,
but when we were really rocking together every day, I
have just tons of footage, you know what I mean.
(10:34):
So it's like that's one of my most prized possessions
in life, you know, like these are the memories. Now
we're in the era now where everything is filmed and
everything is posted in real time, and it's like I
tell some of these young guys like YO, have a
little constraint and save some footage that you don't post
and just put it in a freezer. Because like even
when I was working with Action and it's been like
(10:55):
ten years now, we were doing you know, like this
TV show and stuff. I was filming everything. Yeah two
missed and that was feeling everything then and they were like, yo,
why you keep feeling I'm like, trust me, in ten years,
you guys are gonna thank me, you know what I mean.
And it was like, I don't know, just the excitement
of being in these situations the world to me, Like
I'm with mob Deep SO and p SO we have
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a lot of footage and we even actually me and
have put together this like forty five minute it's not
a documentary. It's really just going to say, it's just
me and peace footage. I cut it up myself and
it just shows you us in the studio and on
tour through that era, and it's like there's some days
where you could see because they have the same outfit on.
They did three songs in the day. You see it,
(11:38):
You see it.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, magic, It was.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Unbelievable, and you know, I just feel lucky to be
that I was there to witness it and to have
some of that inspire me because that's my mission, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Ah Yo, that documentary is coming week. We got a week.
It's not even let's say this.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I'm sure there will be a real documentary from all
deep in a movie because it deserves the story.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Man.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
But this is is just raw for the people that
like to be a fly on the wall. This is
just me and Pete filming.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
But that's what see. We want to see that. I
want to see that on the big screen and then
I want to see it at the house. Yeah, yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Documentary was so good.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
With Oh man, do I love that one sat.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
There for like an hour. He just felt like you
were there.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Or even Gay's recent documentary where he's.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I heard they got a lot of crazy footage.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, wow footage.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
It seemed like he knew all through his career to film.
There's so much footage of it. It's like, you know,
I don't know. That's one thing I tell to young guys,
like save some of it, don't just post everything. And
that's right.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
You know for sure you've been on camera since you
were fourteen years old.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Right with the Hooligans, Yeah, absolutely, man was rapping. Yeah,
with Scott Kahane, James Conn's son. That's that's still my
best friend. Rest in peace, James Conn.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
James. Yeah, we grew up around him. It was that
was like you know, second father when I was a kid.
You know his house, It's like damnit with Sonny. Yeah,
because he never really he never really snapped out of
that role.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Like if you met him, you're thinking he's Italian. Sam
was the man like he was so was he scary,
he was you know, what are you doing? Get out
of But he wasn't Italian? Oh my god, he wasn't.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
He was just I mean, yeah, I was lucky to
be around that too.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
And Scotty.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
You know when we wrapped, you know, like he had,
we had connects. His dad was gonna have Francis for
a couple of directive video in Scott. I was like no,
because he didn't want nothing to do, you know when
you're young.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
For him, Yeah, myself. They would ask us some.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Interviews we heard you know one of you guys. He'd like, yeah,
him his father's he would always like, you know what
I'm saying. But look in the end he went that
route and became like a super successful look actor. He's great,
he's killing man. Shout out to my brother Scotty. And
the funny thing he's tuned in on all the rap stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I was gonna say, yeah, I bet you can still spit.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
It still spit. And every time I dropped something new
or some new good, that new earl sweatshirt's crazy that
that's out, or this year he's up on everything, I'm like, yeah, yeah,
he's even tripping. He hit me about the Mob album,
so it's like, you know, I'm still tied in with
all the same people from Soul Assassins. I'm you know,
original Soul Disasters.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
From Yeah, you know it's crazy, you're a Cali kid, right,
but like your your sound is so New York.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Is fair absolutely, and you know I think about it sometimes,
like had I not moved out there and like kind
of met them, it happened. But sometimes I think about
Premiere too, because Premiere came from Texas and you can't
tell me a more New York sound than DJ Premiere,
That's right. So it's like it ain't where you're from
this well you're at type of situation.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
But were you, Like, yo, you're a Cali boy.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
At first, Like I didn't even know he was from Caliberia.
I'm not even gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Finding this out today and the top of the top.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Of all over I thought he was Puerto Rican.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
So yeah, mustache is he's getting away with murdering. You're like, yo,
what the fuck is this?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Right?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I saw a video two of like big hit right,
shout out the big hit Man. He was like, I
don't know so many songs with you. I didn't know
you were white.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
You know, he really didn't know.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
He's so crazy.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I wouldn't let him down. But you know that's my
shout the big hit free, big hit Man man.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, big he's you know, he's back in there man, but.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
He's gonna get back out and do it right. Shout
out to him and shout to my brother, hit boy.
You know that's like family, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Now you and hip BOYD did that justice?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got something coming to We'll be back.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
We'll be back, Is that right? Guard sak We'll be back? Okay?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Absolutely? Huh with his shouting hit boys, my brother killing
it right now too, man, crazy always crazy inspiration havoc.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
As as as a producer yourself, right, like, was there
a West Coast inspiration of yours coming up as well?
I mean, of course you got Doctor Dre was making
crazy noise out of here.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Yeah yeah, like I mean it's fall back as n
w A Like you know, my one of my favorite
hip hop groups of all time. A big fan of
Easy E, Doctor Dre and all of that, and seeing
him kill it and then to aspire to be a
rapper myself. To see Snoop going crazy with it and
with Doctor Dre, Doctor Dre rein inventing himself so to speak.
(16:18):
You know, I was a super fan of that, and
so it kind of inspired me to like, do you know,
because you know, New York was on a little bit
of a you know, Hiatus came to the scene.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Was it tough to be a fan of the West
Coast when all that happened, shit was happening too, No, no, no,
because I didn't let nothing, because I would have been like,
fuck them all, one of them don't like me, fuck
them all?
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Yeah, yeah, no, you know, I didn't get involved with
out of the nuances, you know, the East Coast, West
Coast shit.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I like, I really, I'm a fan of music period,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
And in my mind, I always just thought that New
York was the dopest and nobody could fuck with New York,
you understand. So they hear cats from another different place,
especially La, you know what I'm saying, being just as
good as what we was doing over here. It blew
my fucking mind, you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
It made me a permanent fit.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
So when you know, some of the bullshit was happening,
kind of upset me, you know what I'm saying, Just
to see because you know, we always got love coming
out here period.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
No, who got the crazy shot? That was Mob Deep
Nas and jay Z Right, who got the craziest shot
out from Pak. I mean he wanted to take on
the entire coast. God.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Yeah, we loved it, right, I was like, yeah, let's
get it, let's go.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
It almost puts like a battery on your back, right, absolutely,
I still got it. That's right, That's right, my man.
I love that. I love that stat energy. Though. Did
you guys almost find a bad boy as well?
Speaker 5 (17:53):
We did almost.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
It wasn't bad Boy at the time though, because Puff
wasn't or he didn't create bad Boy yet.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
He was still at a time c A.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Is still there.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
But you know, thank god we didn't sign to him.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I mean, I love, I love you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
What he did.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
You understand what I'm saying. But he was just offering
us plaques. We wanted money, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
So it was like we we can't just go with that.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Then he brings the locks forward, thinking this is the
answer to mob deep.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Yeah, and you know, I mean, those are my guys,
you know what I'm saying, Those are my guys. And
when you know, when people in the game come like that,
it's like it only makes you better.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Friendly competitions, partners, all day.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
But I mean, who fuck with Jaydakus, Like, you know
what I'm saying, she loosen styles pe you know what
I mean.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
But Prodigy, you.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Know, with him his level lyricism, he took over the world,
so you know he was ready to take the world over.
And it would take, you know, saying, three people to
even mess with Prodigy. And that's who I wrapped along
out with.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah, yeah, twin tower Ship straight up man, Yo, shout
out the queens forgetting that casino man that way, you know,
like Nas and Sneaky.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
He said, Yo, let's release Tajahole. And the next thing
you know, he's owning a casino.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
He's up to something. He's putting it together.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
He's up to something.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
But did his mans have to say, sorry, jay Z,
we won again. Now you know he's still alive. Why
the beef was done? It was over with, it was dead.
They came out together at Summer Jam Dog we moved on.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Yeah, like it's over, but some.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
People love to re kindled. Oh shit, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
But nah, I'm happy for Nas.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
You know what I mean. Yeah, it's huge for hip
hop and his family. Yeah, yeah, it's dope. Yeah, yeah, Alchemists,
you always find yourself unknowingly too part of a battle
ground in hip hop.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Right, yeah, this is unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
It's happened more than once. Are you the problems? Maybe
you're the problem? Look in the mirror, like am I
the reason for these beats? And Alchemists like yo, man, listen, man,
I love y'all am drama drama shout to Cardi being drama. Yeah,
I think Nicki and Cardi man, it's time to like
take it the music because it's back and forth on
social media, like all right, ladies, like listen, we held
(20:22):
Drake and Kendrick accountable and hip hop, it's time to
hold them accountable too. For some bars, it's time one
of them is good for an Alchemists beat.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Yeah, I don't you know. Over the years, I was
somehow and I thought looked back. I was like damn.
I was involved with a lot of controversial records that
turn like you know, like bang bang, but ended up
with the CNN joint to shoot out and over there,
and it was like the animal the beat, it was
actually a beat of annoyed. They ended up being We're
Beans and Jada was going back. No, it was a
(20:52):
fifty fifty and over the years it's like, I guess
the beats just like the aggression in them or something,
or like a good, good battleground.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
But you know, I.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Like to keep the peace, man, and I'm not about
none of that. I respect it, record, bro, but you
know I don't I don't you know what I'm saying.
I don't get involved in it too much. And you know,
like I said, I try to keep it respectful and
stay out, ye stay out of it. And we all, man,
we all you know what I mean, because sometimes they
want to drag you one way or another or.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I'm a producervert relationships, right yeah, and it has and
it has.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I can't blame anyone for it. But I try to
like be represent myself because we're all men here. We're
not like in a you know, on the summer camp,
or we're like in different groups playing a sport game,
you know what I mean. So it's like I try
to hold my side of the street down and represent
what I am and not get too involved in it
about you know what it is.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
But you can agree with me, right meet. The Grahams
is one of the scariest joints of life for sure.
I mean the beat was like it was dug for
it to be a gospel record too, And to have
that done on a gospel record with crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Well, that was Dot's magic. You know he did that.
I didn't hear it broke. It wasn't a scary beat
when I sent it to him.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Radio stations play thriller on Halloween. That's what hip hop
stations on Halloween. Meet the grams. That ship is crazy scary.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Stop playing.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I didn't hear it that way. It's funny, man, But yeah,
God blessed man.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
If you heard it when we heard it.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Did you send him that beat specifically for the battle?
Speaker 6 (22:23):
No?
Speaker 4 (22:23):
No, I sent it to him months before when he
was working on the record. It's funny. I sent him
with bats. I sent him a batch of records beats,
and that one, funny enough, was something that I had
rapped on. And last minute I was sending the beats,
I said, and I do this all the time, like,
I don't know if you do. I just muted my
verse because sometimes I'll beat for fun just.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
To test it out.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
So I was like he might like this one, and
I muted it, and thank God, I took that verse.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
It was started as just like a demo. I was
messing with it. But I sent him the beat and
even when I sent it to him it was called
whatever the song I did called instrumental wow.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
And then but this was seven months before it came out.
So I heard it when you guys heard.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
It the song. So when you hear it, you're like, oh, ship,
here we go pretty much. Yeah, when you hear dar
o'donnas Yeah, the test, I mean text flying.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
In absolutely, it was.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
It was.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
That was a crazy day though, and it was funny
because like that was pretty wild. I don't remember any
battle like that.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Remember that day was like a wild and.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
This it was like a wild up and down that
it was like a trip to in some weird way
to be a part of it, just you know, from
producing the beat, wold.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Like I don't think we've ever seen that.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yeah, we'll look back on that, Like that was what story.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
He's like, I said, Kendrick, five beats a day forever,
all of a sudden, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
And then it was over when it came out.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
You didn't hear it until we heard it it's crazy,
you know, it's too urgent at that time. They had
to move, you know, And I got on there call
you and this and come mix it and do I
didn't you know.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I'm in a call though, Yo, my man, I'm using
your beat would have been nice. Bro we good like
that like me and have her good. I'm about to
drag you into some ship home, That's all. It takes
really fast, but not congratulations though. Why does U taj
(24:24):
ho make you want to drink Hennessee?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
It's the sound of it. It's like that era we
used to drink a lot of hennessy and smoke like
haze from Uptown and the Washington Heights And the smell
of that and the liquor just reminds me of that era.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Wild hennessy, weed, cigarettes, leather, all of that. Basically they
nailed leather cigarette, Yes, Tennessee weed.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
That'll put that beat on. But yeah, that was It
was just you know, like certain things bring you back,
since smells do that with certain visions or songs. But
but that song just reminded me of that on there.
That's right. Some people can relate it.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Can I get a bar from a new project?
Speaker 5 (25:04):
A bar for the new project.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
You want people to understand and feel a line a
line the verse first man, you want me to go first,
first man. You know I'm a old man.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I can't remember these lyrics, but no, I love the
verses that I did from the New project, like.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Taz mahole hmmm and pray to God I don't have
to get my shooters evolved. I remember vividly when the
rugas result went on. We was in the distant land.
Throw a man bands comfortable around the killers. Now the
blood is on our hands. Outran poverty, but ship like
this could I don't know, put your life at risks.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
See that's that under the stairs ship, bro, straight up,
you got crazy, went crazy on this album. One of
my favorite ones you did is when you was like
shoot first, ask questions last, talking to myself why they
test you have.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Just having a conversation with himself like that was the
album was crazy. You're having a conversation by yourself like this, Now.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Look what you made me do?
Speaker 6 (26:15):
You made me do? Yeah? When you when you wrap
it alongside somebody like proud of you man, Come on bro,
and it's just that that shop is your sort. Immediately,
what's your favorite line or bar that he had stay
brain with your nose bump straight up. It doesn't get
no getting more really than that, you know, straight up.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Damn that's that ship man. Hell yeah, and he's he's
coming that way on the new project. Absolutely, man. You
know we we we we dug some verses up, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
He's a versus no one has ever heard yet, right,
for some things may have leaked over the years, but
nothing was ever officially released. Like some stuff may be
on the net, somebody will find it on a forum
or something. But we made sure to go through the
stuff that we had that was never officially out and
like pick the right stuff, find the right beats. Some
of the records we had already like they had done
(27:07):
vocals to or have laid Summer p had laid something too,
and then we finished them up. But we both agreed, like, yo,
we want to make the best thing possible for our brother,
So we wanted to make sure that we put like
we sat with it. We tried a lot of different things,
and when they landed, it was like, you know, like
poor the Henny. When that verse landed, it was like,
(27:27):
because what he's talking about there is scary, and I
don't want to ruin it. You know, people they can
hear it themselves. But when he's talking about like it's
like premonitions. It's like he's literally rapping from where he's
at now. Like I don't know how he thought to
write from this perspective, but yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
It's gonna have people like yo is he's still alive.
It's eerie.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Man.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
When we were making it, yeah, here they come, and
we talked, don't have a day with it.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Listen, man, we felt that way when we were making
it because he is here, you know, the way I
feel in me. He definitely governed our decisions in mys
when we decided what we were going to use and
what stuff jailed the right because he was picky, you
know what I mean. He was He cared about this small,
deep sound, probably more than both of us. Like he
was the protector of it, you know, and even the
climate protected it with his life and the climate we're
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in now, of Indie and all that. He was ahead
on all that. You know how everyone like live streaming
or like on Instagram live you know, you know, I
got tapes of Prodigy from what was it like two
thousand and one where he used to he would duct
tape his VHS camera to his dashboard and he would
drive for an hour and just talk to the camera.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
And I swear you was logging.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
He was doing this twenty years ago. It just wasn't
a name for it, and he didn't know why. He
was just I'm telling you, I could post it right
now on his inscidant. People would have chills, like, wait,
is he driving a car right now? Talking to me?
Like he was just ahead on a lot of stuff. So,
you know, we had that in mind when we were
making this record, and it was just you know, you're
gonna hear the.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Lyrics visionary shit right there man always and to hear
back his vocals in a cappella that's got to that's
gotta feel a different different way.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Yeah, I mean we luckily.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I think you can't explain that until you're experiencing it.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
It was and so much footage because I've been going
through the footage and just watching how like one thing
people didn't know about Pee he was hilarious. Now he
had a great sense of humor, but you know, you
he'll give you glimpses of it in certain lines, but
you know he kept that exterior because he's mob deep,
you know what I mean. But if once when I
look at the footage, there's a lot of we have
(29:27):
fun on tour.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Man.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
We used to just clown in the studio and oh
yeah that you know. It was a good time, absolutely,
and it was like that's we lived together all through
those days. So it was like that I mean not literally,
but we were all together.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
It was a tour studio, so we were like really
a crew, you know, and it was like those days
I'm thankful for because that discipline of seeing how he
was working him and he just making songs. That's the
juice I still use to this day and I do
what I do over here, you know what.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I mean, and have it performing it too, right, Like
there's still that that energy behind that performance.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
Yeah, absolutely, man, And I gotta give a shout out
to Rapinoid will be you know, holding me down, you
know when I'm out there performing. Of course, it's never
going to be the same, you know what I mean,
without Prodigy, but his energy is still there, live and
full effect. And I'm just out here just keeping the
name alive, you know what I'm saying and extending the
legacy as much.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
As I can, yes, sir, and we appreciate that dog
my date. Thank you, infinite word. Let's get it man.
Congratulations guys for Real Man. Come see us any time.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Man, appreciate appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Man, I got like I got my thirty more questions.
We gotta go right.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
We appreciate your support for Real Man all day.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Man.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
You're talking about hip hop kids here, man.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
I know. But tenth October tenth, tenth, yeah, oh, let
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Speaker 5 (31:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
It's going down y'all dropping merge for that? Hell yeah
yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, Let's get it man.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
You still about the day for the album again too.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
October tenth is going down.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
October ten album? Yeah, you're still smoking cigarettes?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Who told you that?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Man? Man?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Listenarettes?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I want to bum one off of you. Man. Man,
if I don't smoke, if I'm gonna smoke a cigarette.
Its gonna be with alchemy. I left it in the car,
but looking out for you. One less cigarette, one less cigarette.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You're right.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Appreciate a fella. Let's get a Cruise Show related Yeah,
hey jacket Rich for the Cruise Show. Thanks for listening
to the Cruise Show podcast.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
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