August 21, 2024 • 14 mins
How do you get the behaviors you desire from your dog, whether they're on a leash or not? The Dog Professor, Robb Lust from the Edgefield Animal Care Center, knows all about this and has some tips and ideas to achieve the behaviors you'd like, with simple, consistent effort.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joining me in studio today is the Dog Professor Rob
Last from the Edgefield to Animal Care Center, and it's
another dog professor podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
How you doing, my friend? Good good? We feel like.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Fall out there today beautiful and we're ready for football
getting started this week around the area. If you're in Ohio,
high school football starts on Friday, and everybody's excited about that.
And with that being said, we'll probably have some more
ninety degree days, but that's okay.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, schools back in session. Yes, school first week is
always yeah, ninety degrees. You always get that around here.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
It is.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's got of the world. We live it.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Hey, let's talk about our topic today. You're you're getting
into whether or not leash or no leash. We got
to get that dog to listen, whether it's on the
leash or off the leash, and it seems like one
of those is going to be easier than the other.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's always it's always one of the biggest transitions for
people have to make when they're training their dog, right
is you know, the dog listens well on the leash,
but then as soon as they take the leash off,
they're like, the dog doesn't listen to me. At all,
and so forth and so on, and they always wonder
if there's some magic to it or something like that,
and there's really not. I mean, it's it's part of
(01:10):
the growing pains of development in the training of your dog.
And people don't understand why it's just not the same,
right you know, Well, I'm here to explain why it's
not the same. And you know when we explain to
dog owners when we're doing the training that the process
that we go through, and it is the process, and
(01:33):
you need to trust the process, right because every step
we take within the training process is important for the
next step, and it's hard to move to the next
step if you've not accomplished this step. Okay, So why
we work with the leash, why we first, why we
do certain commands in order, why we have testing that
(01:57):
we do, is all to get to this magical goal
of having your dog be as responsive to you when
there's no leash on as they are when the leash
is on. Now, obviously, when anyone who's been through our
training has heard this, let me say this multiple times
in this podcast. Before we try to recreate the learning
process that your dog would get from another dog, whether
(02:19):
it be a more dominant dog in the pack, whether
it be their mother, their father, whatever it is, the
process we follow is pretty much that process, and in
the dog world, the learning process, it's pretty much like
the human process. The dog is put in positions to
choose what their behavior is and the next step, and
then when they make a choice on what they do
(02:40):
with their behavior, they'll get a response or consequences according
to that choice, good or bad. In the dog world,
the good or bad choices is one. If you act properly,
you move up within the pack, you get to eat earlier.
And if you don't act properly, then you get bit
or you get kicked out of the pack. So every
(03:02):
decision carries some weight. So in the beginning, the leash
is very important that we stress when we start training
number one to keep the student in the classroom. All right,
Dogs win arguments. Whenever a dog is pressed to the
point where maybe they have to either win the argument
or lose the argument, if they feel they're about to
(03:22):
lose the argument, they just leave they avoid it. Okay,
So the leash number one keeps your pet in the classroom.
The leash number two turns you into a dog. Okay.
When you talk to your dog, or you give them
commands or anything verbally that you do with your dog,
you're basically barking at your dog, okay, or growling at
your dog, dependent on the situation. Now, in the dog world,
(03:45):
if another dog within your pack, or a more dominant
dog within your pack starts to growl at you, that's
telling you, as a member of the pack, look, you
are close to crossing a line, all right, or are
breaking a rule with it this pack. What you do
next will determine what happens. Okay. So in the dog world,
(04:06):
they don't they don't tease, they don't joke, they're consistent.
If a dog growls at a pup, that's that's messing around,
and the pup does not respond properly, the pup gets bit.
So every growl has something behind it, all right. The
human world, we love long discussions as to why you
should and shouldn't do this, or tell me about your
(04:27):
feelings or whatever. Okay, So what ends up happening in
our world is a dog learns. Look, these these dogs here,
they just growl and they never bite. So I'm not
going to respond to their growl until they get so
upset that then they finally bite. Okay, when I talk
about bite, it's some sort of correction that packs up
(04:47):
your growl, whether it be changing your voice tone, whether
it be a leash correction, whether whatever it is. So
people get very frustrated when they basically try to move
as easy as flipping the switch from having the leash
on their dog to taking their leash off and expecting
the dog to listen. Well, what happens is your dog's
(05:09):
not dumb, all right. And the sooner you realize this,
the less frustration you'll have in your life. The dog
realize they're masters of observing and judging behavior. And if
they learn that once that leash comes off, that you
growl and growl and growl and really have no answer
to your growl or the ability to bite, because you
(05:29):
just basically took your teeth out, all right, The leash
becomes your teeth. Dominant dogs never take their teeth out. Okay,
Dominant dogs always have their teeth, so they always have
a way to back up their growl with the bite.
People take their teeth out, they take the leash off,
they take the collar off. The things that work well
to give them controlling situations. They take them completely off,
(05:52):
and then they get to get upset because the dog
doesn't respond. The dogs just responding the way it normally would.
So there is a transition period, there is a process
to get to the point and the whole reason for
using the leash in the beginning. We tell this to
our students all the time. It's to put some umph
behind your words. It's to make your dogs start to
(06:14):
respect your words, your words being the command, your words
being praised, your words being whatever. If you have a
bite behind your grow, your growl will always mean more.
So then down the road, if we build up that
respect for your grow using the leash, using remote collar,
using whatever tools we use, the biggest tool being repetition
(06:37):
and process, then when you do grout down the road,
your grow will mean more and they will more likely
respond to it. That is the process that dogs grow
up with. Okay, even if you've never seen if you've
seen dogs playing, Okay, when somebody gets out of hand
and a dog, the dominant dogs at a distance from
(06:58):
the dog that's breaking the rules, they don't just stand
there and complain about it. They actually run the dog
down right and correct them. So that's what you're dealing with.
So you have to be as creative as you can
when you're dealing with those situations to try to recreate
that so the dog understands that you're just as serious
about the command afterwards. So how we make that transition?
(07:19):
Number One, Your commands have to be perfect on the
leash and not just when the leash is in your hand.
One big transition exercise we do when we use the
leash and collar in the beginning is the stay command.
When you drop the leash and you walk away from
your dog in a stay, you do still have an
advantage because the visual aspect and the feeling aspect that
(07:42):
the dog gets from the leash being attached to them,
even if it isn't in your hand, still carries weight
in a dog's mind. You can be six feet away
from the dog in the leash lain't on the ground,
but the dog still goes, look, I still think they
could probably bite me if they ground, right, Okay, so
maybe i'll I'll just respond and listen. So we actually
(08:02):
do a process of always having something attached to the collar,
but we make that something smaller. Okay, we use the leash.
We drop the leash out of your hands, more for
you than for your dog, because you, more than anything else,
need to learn that you're just as serious about your
command when the leash isn't in your hand. And it's
(08:23):
amazing to watch people when they drop the leash in
their hand the whole their whole attitude changes, their body
language changes, their facial expression changes, the tone of their
voice changes. It goes from Yeah, I'm the boss and
I'm in charge to oh my god, please listen to me,
and if I can pick that up, you know your
dog can pick that up. So it's as much of
(08:45):
a training aspect for owners to get that leash out
of their hand. That's the biggest transition is having that confidence.
So there are things we do to do that. You know,
the stay command where we make you drop the leash
and walk away and have the leash out of your hand,
and you get better with your no. Okay. Everybody, like
I said, has that no that they give when they're mad,
(09:06):
but the rest of the nose up to that point
are sad. Okay, so the dog doesn't respond, So we
work with that. We work with what's called a long
line a lot of times. The biggest last step we
use is we use a long line, and we're fooling
with the dog. Okay, it's basically about twenty feet a
pair para cord, green camouflage para cord. It's lightweight. It's
(09:29):
hooked to a snap on one end and the other end.
What I like to do with owners as I make
them wear a belt and I have them tie it
to their belt. So number one, they get the hands
out of the way. You're doing normal stuff. You might
be raking your yard, you might be picking out whatever
your dog sees that nothing is in your hand. And
this is not something that we use just to you know,
(09:52):
in a close up situation. This is to tempt your
dog to actually take off and test your range of authority.
It's it's basically a way to recreate what you could
do with a remote collar without having a remote collar.
So the dog seat we make you. We make you
start off with the dog, the leash on the collar.
You go out and you heal around, you do some
(10:13):
commands on the leash, you really whip them into shape.
And then on the meantime you're petting them and you
clip this line on and the line's already attached to
your belt. So outside this thing is basically invisible in
the grass to the dog. They have no idea, so
that that thing's already snapped to the collar. We make
a big dramatic deal about taking the leash off on
(10:34):
your dog. We click the clicker on the leash a
couple of times so they hear the click, and the
dog hears that click and they go, oh, man, did
you just take the leash off? See you? And they
go they take off because in that dog's mind, they think, well,
you just took your teeth out, so you can yell
all you want. You can't do anything when I get
out of range. So they take off and run, and
(10:54):
we wait, okay, now me with my foot is on
the line, that's on the ground. But they're running out
of line. Okay, so I called. Now, I'm a fair guy,
so I'm gonna call you to come okay and give
you the chance to get yourself out of this scenario
because I'm a fair guy. Knowing that they're not coming, okay,
(11:15):
dog takes off run. They're looking back. They're like, dude,
he's not even come and chasing me yet if he's
not saying anything. Meanwhile, they're running out of line. The
moment right before they get ready to hit the end
of that line, I call him to come. They don't respond.
Right when they hit the end of that line, I
yell no, bam. At the same time they feel the
(11:37):
snap of the line and the collar. Now think of
it from your dog's point of view in this situation. Okay,
they thought they had this program, Graham completely figured out.
They knew that boy, when that leash come off before,
in the house and everywhere else, that you couldn't do
a thing about it. You yelled and yelled and yelled
from across the room. Never came and got them. They
(11:57):
did what they want. We're gonna do the same thing else.
Suddenly that dog heard that no and felt that correction
and turns around and looks, and you're twenty feet away
with your hands in your pocket. How in the world
did that occur? Okay, same response they get when they
get a correction from a remote collar. It's the same idea.
(12:20):
Suddenly the dog realizes, no, no matter where you go,
they can feel the correction. So what is it that
carries the correction. It's not the leash, it's not my hands,
it's that word no. And they realize anywhere they can
hear that no, they can get that correction, same as
the invisible fence. The dog learns that when they hear
(12:43):
that tone, they can get that correction. So it's the
tone that carries the correction. That's the principle behind what
we try to do with your voice and build you
up with your attitude and voice before we ever get
to the point of taking the leash off. And that's
why people get so frustrated home because they can do
so well with that leash on and they just don't
(13:04):
know how to take that next step to get that
dog to respond off the leash. And that's where sometimes
you got to have some professional help.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
What a great piece of advice. Wow, So you started
talking about that, I'm like, where is he going?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
This is interesting? That is wow. It's really comical the
first time you see it. Oh, she really thinks they
got you. Yeah, and then they're like, oh, my gosh,
what the heck is this guy doing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
So, if you want to learn more about this type
of stuff, obviously you just got a pretty good lesson.
But if you want to learn and you want to
do it practical, a great idea would be training and
you guys do that at the Edgefield Animal Care Center
every day.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yep, Edgefield Animal Care Center. We're a family business. We've
been in the Marrying community for about fifty years. We're
a full service animal care facility, veterinary care, boarding, grooming, training,
just about everything you need to get everything accomplished, kind
of in one stop. That's the Edgefield Animal Care Center, Maring, Ohio.
Easiest way to find out all about us. If you
(14:05):
thought this was a good lesson, go back listen to
some of our past podcasts. All of that can be
found on our website Edgefieldanimalcare dot com.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, fantastic lesson from the Dog Professor and check out
the Dog Professor podcast anywhere you get your podcasts, including
the iHeart app
Joining me in studio today is the Dog Professor Rob
Last from the Edgefield to Animal Care Center, and it's
another dog professor podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
How you doing, my friend? Good good? We feel like.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Fall out there today beautiful and we're ready for football
getting started this week around the area. If you're in Ohio,
high school football starts on Friday, and everybody's excited about that.
And with that being said, we'll probably have some more
ninety degree days, but that's okay.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, schools back in session. Yes, school first week is
always yeah, ninety degrees. You always get that around here.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
It is.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's got of the world. We live it.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Hey, let's talk about our topic today. You're you're getting
into whether or not leash or no leash. We got
to get that dog to listen, whether it's on the
leash or off the leash, and it seems like one
of those is going to be easier than the other.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's always it's always one of the biggest transitions for
people have to make when they're training their dog, right
is you know, the dog listens well on the leash,
but then as soon as they take the leash off,
they're like, the dog doesn't listen to me. At all,
and so forth and so on, and they always wonder
if there's some magic to it or something like that,
and there's really not. I mean, it's it's part of
(01:10):
the growing pains of development in the training of your dog.
And people don't understand why it's just not the same,
right you know, Well, I'm here to explain why it's
not the same. And you know when we explain to
dog owners when we're doing the training that the process
that we go through, and it is the process, and
(01:33):
you need to trust the process, right because every step
we take within the training process is important for the
next step, and it's hard to move to the next
step if you've not accomplished this step. Okay, So why
we work with the leash, why we first, why we
do certain commands in order, why we have testing that
(01:57):
we do, is all to get to this magical goal
of having your dog be as responsive to you when
there's no leash on as they are when the leash
is on. Now, obviously, when anyone who's been through our
training has heard this, let me say this multiple times
in this podcast. Before we try to recreate the learning
process that your dog would get from another dog, whether
(02:19):
it be a more dominant dog in the pack, whether
it be their mother, their father, whatever it is, the
process we follow is pretty much that process, and in
the dog world, the learning process, it's pretty much like
the human process. The dog is put in positions to
choose what their behavior is and the next step, and
then when they make a choice on what they do
(02:40):
with their behavior, they'll get a response or consequences according
to that choice, good or bad. In the dog world,
the good or bad choices is one. If you act properly,
you move up within the pack, you get to eat earlier.
And if you don't act properly, then you get bit
or you get kicked out of the pack. So every
(03:02):
decision carries some weight. So in the beginning, the leash
is very important that we stress when we start training
number one to keep the student in the classroom. All right,
Dogs win arguments. Whenever a dog is pressed to the
point where maybe they have to either win the argument
or lose the argument, if they feel they're about to
(03:22):
lose the argument, they just leave they avoid it. Okay,
So the leash number one keeps your pet in the classroom.
The leash number two turns you into a dog. Okay.
When you talk to your dog, or you give them
commands or anything verbally that you do with your dog,
you're basically barking at your dog, okay, or growling at
your dog, dependent on the situation. Now, in the dog world,
(03:45):
if another dog within your pack, or a more dominant
dog within your pack starts to growl at you, that's
telling you, as a member of the pack, look, you
are close to crossing a line, all right, or are
breaking a rule with it this pack. What you do
next will determine what happens. Okay. So in the dog world,
(04:06):
they don't they don't tease, they don't joke, they're consistent.
If a dog growls at a pup, that's that's messing around,
and the pup does not respond properly, the pup gets bit.
So every growl has something behind it, all right. The
human world, we love long discussions as to why you
should and shouldn't do this, or tell me about your
(04:27):
feelings or whatever. Okay, So what ends up happening in
our world is a dog learns. Look, these these dogs here,
they just growl and they never bite. So I'm not
going to respond to their growl until they get so
upset that then they finally bite. Okay, when I talk
about bite, it's some sort of correction that packs up
(04:47):
your growl, whether it be changing your voice tone, whether
it be a leash correction, whether whatever it is. So
people get very frustrated when they basically try to move
as easy as flipping the switch from having the leash
on their dog to taking their leash off and expecting
the dog to listen. Well, what happens is your dog's
(05:09):
not dumb, all right. And the sooner you realize this,
the less frustration you'll have in your life. The dog
realize they're masters of observing and judging behavior. And if
they learn that once that leash comes off, that you
growl and growl and growl and really have no answer
to your growl or the ability to bite, because you
(05:29):
just basically took your teeth out, all right, The leash
becomes your teeth. Dominant dogs never take their teeth out. Okay,
Dominant dogs always have their teeth, so they always have
a way to back up their growl with the bite.
People take their teeth out, they take the leash off,
they take the collar off. The things that work well
to give them controlling situations. They take them completely off,
(05:52):
and then they get to get upset because the dog
doesn't respond. The dogs just responding the way it normally would.
So there is a transition period, there is a process
to get to the point and the whole reason for
using the leash in the beginning. We tell this to
our students all the time. It's to put some umph
behind your words. It's to make your dogs start to
(06:14):
respect your words, your words being the command, your words
being praised, your words being whatever. If you have a
bite behind your grow, your growl will always mean more.
So then down the road, if we build up that
respect for your grow using the leash, using remote collar,
using whatever tools we use, the biggest tool being repetition
(06:37):
and process, then when you do grout down the road,
your grow will mean more and they will more likely
respond to it. That is the process that dogs grow
up with. Okay, even if you've never seen if you've
seen dogs playing, Okay, when somebody gets out of hand
and a dog, the dominant dogs at a distance from
(06:58):
the dog that's breaking the rules, they don't just stand
there and complain about it. They actually run the dog
down right and correct them. So that's what you're dealing with.
So you have to be as creative as you can
when you're dealing with those situations to try to recreate
that so the dog understands that you're just as serious
about the command afterwards. So how we make that transition?
(07:19):
Number One, Your commands have to be perfect on the
leash and not just when the leash is in your hand.
One big transition exercise we do when we use the
leash and collar in the beginning is the stay command.
When you drop the leash and you walk away from
your dog in a stay, you do still have an
advantage because the visual aspect and the feeling aspect that
(07:42):
the dog gets from the leash being attached to them,
even if it isn't in your hand, still carries weight
in a dog's mind. You can be six feet away
from the dog in the leash lain't on the ground,
but the dog still goes, look, I still think they
could probably bite me if they ground, right, Okay, so
maybe i'll I'll just respond and listen. So we actually
(08:02):
do a process of always having something attached to the collar,
but we make that something smaller. Okay, we use the leash.
We drop the leash out of your hands, more for
you than for your dog, because you, more than anything else,
need to learn that you're just as serious about your
command when the leash isn't in your hand. And it's
(08:23):
amazing to watch people when they drop the leash in
their hand the whole their whole attitude changes, their body
language changes, their facial expression changes, the tone of their
voice changes. It goes from Yeah, I'm the boss and
I'm in charge to oh my god, please listen to me,
and if I can pick that up, you know your
dog can pick that up. So it's as much of
(08:45):
a training aspect for owners to get that leash out
of their hand. That's the biggest transition is having that confidence.
So there are things we do to do that. You know,
the stay command where we make you drop the leash
and walk away and have the leash out of your hand,
and you get better with your no. Okay. Everybody, like
I said, has that no that they give when they're mad,
(09:06):
but the rest of the nose up to that point
are sad. Okay, so the dog doesn't respond, So we
work with that. We work with what's called a long
line a lot of times. The biggest last step we
use is we use a long line, and we're fooling
with the dog. Okay, it's basically about twenty feet a
pair para cord, green camouflage para cord. It's lightweight. It's
(09:29):
hooked to a snap on one end and the other end.
What I like to do with owners as I make
them wear a belt and I have them tie it
to their belt. So number one, they get the hands
out of the way. You're doing normal stuff. You might
be raking your yard, you might be picking out whatever
your dog sees that nothing is in your hand. And
this is not something that we use just to you know,
(09:52):
in a close up situation. This is to tempt your
dog to actually take off and test your range of authority.
It's it's basically a way to recreate what you could
do with a remote collar without having a remote collar.
So the dog seat we make you. We make you
start off with the dog, the leash on the collar.
You go out and you heal around, you do some
(10:13):
commands on the leash, you really whip them into shape.
And then on the meantime you're petting them and you
clip this line on and the line's already attached to
your belt. So outside this thing is basically invisible in
the grass to the dog. They have no idea, so
that that thing's already snapped to the collar. We make
a big dramatic deal about taking the leash off on
(10:34):
your dog. We click the clicker on the leash a
couple of times so they hear the click, and the
dog hears that click and they go, oh, man, did
you just take the leash off? See you? And they
go they take off because in that dog's mind, they think, well,
you just took your teeth out, so you can yell
all you want. You can't do anything when I get
out of range. So they take off and run, and
(10:54):
we wait, okay, now me with my foot is on
the line, that's on the ground. But they're running out
of line. Okay, so I called. Now, I'm a fair guy,
so I'm gonna call you to come okay and give
you the chance to get yourself out of this scenario
because I'm a fair guy. Knowing that they're not coming, okay,
(11:15):
dog takes off run. They're looking back. They're like, dude,
he's not even come and chasing me yet if he's
not saying anything. Meanwhile, they're running out of line. The
moment right before they get ready to hit the end
of that line, I call him to come. They don't respond.
Right when they hit the end of that line, I
yell no, bam. At the same time they feel the
(11:37):
snap of the line and the collar. Now think of
it from your dog's point of view in this situation. Okay,
they thought they had this program, Graham completely figured out.
They knew that boy, when that leash come off before,
in the house and everywhere else, that you couldn't do
a thing about it. You yelled and yelled and yelled
from across the room. Never came and got them. They
(11:57):
did what they want. We're gonna do the same thing else.
Suddenly that dog heard that no and felt that correction
and turns around and looks, and you're twenty feet away
with your hands in your pocket. How in the world
did that occur? Okay, same response they get when they
get a correction from a remote collar. It's the same idea.
(12:20):
Suddenly the dog realizes, no, no matter where you go,
they can feel the correction. So what is it that
carries the correction. It's not the leash, it's not my hands,
it's that word no. And they realize anywhere they can
hear that no, they can get that correction, same as
the invisible fence. The dog learns that when they hear
(12:43):
that tone, they can get that correction. So it's the
tone that carries the correction. That's the principle behind what
we try to do with your voice and build you
up with your attitude and voice before we ever get
to the point of taking the leash off. And that's
why people get so frustrated home because they can do
so well with that leash on and they just don't
(13:04):
know how to take that next step to get that
dog to respond off the leash. And that's where sometimes
you got to have some professional help.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
What a great piece of advice. Wow, So you started
talking about that, I'm like, where is he going?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
This is interesting? That is wow. It's really comical the
first time you see it. Oh, she really thinks they
got you. Yeah, and then they're like, oh, my gosh,
what the heck is this guy doing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
So, if you want to learn more about this type
of stuff, obviously you just got a pretty good lesson.
But if you want to learn and you want to
do it practical, a great idea would be training and
you guys do that at the Edgefield Animal Care Center
every day.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yep, Edgefield Animal Care Center. We're a family business. We've
been in the Marrying community for about fifty years. We're
a full service animal care facility, veterinary care, boarding, grooming, training,
just about everything you need to get everything accomplished, kind
of in one stop. That's the Edgefield Animal Care Center, Maring, Ohio.
Easiest way to find out all about us. If you
(14:05):
thought this was a good lesson, go back listen to
some of our past podcasts. All of that can be
found on our website Edgefieldanimalcare dot com.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, fantastic lesson from the Dog Professor and check out
the Dog Professor podcast anywhere you get your podcasts, including
the iHeart app
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