Brody Jones

Man of many trades, specifically prison and wrestling, it's our good friend Brody Jones live in studio to preview Wrestlemania 

Episode Transcript

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This is the downbeat on ninety sevento one The Freak. Yeah, we
get your talkbacks and more in ninethirty five. Okay, I'm Kevin,
that's Danny, that's Mike JJ.But right now we are joined live and
studio by our special guest. You'vebeen clamoring for more of this man,

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some of them, oh some,Hey, wait what happened? I'm sorry.
I heard Chrispin Wall's music and Ijust immediately went into Panama mode.
Go ahead, Mike, Okay,it's our buddy, Brody Jones. I
guys, I don't even wrestling expert, if you want to say that,

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but friend of the show more importantlythan his wrestling expertise. Let's be honest.
That's been was open because he askedfor this return cut, and I'm
like, whatever you want, Surewe can play return cut for you.
I just referred to it as whateverby our Lady Peace. But I mean,
if it's associated with Crispin Wall,I had nothing to do with that.
Why. I was just re enactingthe events that may or may not
have happened at one thirty Green Meadow, Fetteville, Georgia between June twenty second

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and June twenty fourth allegedly, andhe will you brought your own bowflex in.
Yeah, it kind of been agiant pain in the ass. Again,
they're easy to find on offer upthese days. I always loved the
legal safety net of allegedly after somevery specific details in my time, and
who knows, we've had two pantomimesuicides happened in this studio in the last

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fifteen minutes, Nickly, mine wasa double murders and then a suicide.
Okay, alleged, let it right. I was trying to condense the details.
But that's fine. I think anyexcuse that we can come up with
to get Brody up here, youwill definitely exercise. And this weekend being
WrestleMania, what are we at fortyThey revealed the stage last night. It's
got a big excel on the topwhere the guys are going to walk between.

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Yeah, it's pretty big. It'snice. Yeah, anytime we get
Brody up it's always fun. Butyou are obsessed with the Crispin wat situation,
which is a terrible. It's funnyto anytime you listen to any like
podcast because there's a ton of actuallyincredibly good like wrestling shoot podcasts where they
tell the real stories of all thestuff that happened. Whenever the ben Wah
thing comes up, it is soawkward because there are people who are like

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great friends with them everyone recently,and they're like, I hate to do
it, but it's three of us. So one of you suddenly turns into
a murder suicide person and we've discussedit before. I'm like, yeah,
no, Danny Baylis wouldn't do that. But then the real truth is,
you do you ever really know anyone? You don't, and you two aren't
completely like jacked, muscle brown,muscle bound psychopaths easy, which Chris ben

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Waugh definitely was speaking of that.I was thinking, since you know,
we're all buddies, how about weall just get fanny packs full of cocaine
and steroids, where's zoobas and justlive our best life, just like nine
six, just living in nineteen eightysix in a cabin. We may or
may not bang foo cares, Noone's judging. We're just lift and banging

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all day, eating protein in away, you know, throw your past away,
and it's like a new chapter,exactly new leaf, and kind of
everything you need is right in yourfanny pack, right in front of If
it's not there, you don't needit. Don't need it, you might
be bagging. Who knows cocaine andsteroids, a little protein mixed in it
made it made Randy Savage one ofthe greatest ever. So how could you

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be wrong? Yea, he gotendorsement money off that. So Brody's here
to screw around with us whatever's onhis mind. You know, they never
know what turns it's gonna take.But essentially, yeah, it's because we
got WrestleMania this weekend. Wrestlming youhave forty You just told me forty forty
excel in Philly and we are inPhilly, Okay, and this is a
notoriously uh it's a hot market,man, Yeah that in New Yorker in

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the States are the hottest too wrestlingmarkets. And Philly is the home of
E. C. W Right originallyYeah, ninety two to two thousand and
one. I don't know, isthat when Philly turned into because it's gonna
be a hot crowd, like,they will boo the hell out of I
don't know, they'll got good guys, Yeah, they'll cheer for the bad
guys if something goes wrong. Ifeel bad for the performers in the ring.
It's not gonna be fun. Phillyis a great town for wrestling,

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and the WrestleMania is too. Becauseyou get the smartiest of smart fans.
It's you know, it's speaking Englishfor my friends. They don't need to
know. It's fine. This isbetween two friends right here that are staring
at each other's eyes, Crank andRods. So it's the smartiest of fans,
the smartest of fans, the jerkiestof fans. Because this is our
super Bowl. This is it startedpretty much yesterday. It'll go till Sunday,

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including and then roll into Raw onMonday. But every Giant Wrestling promotion,
Indie promotion, New Japan, DDT, all from are coming to the
States. You got pretty much everyoneexcept for AW is mobilized to Philadelphia.
There's tons of indie shows going prettymuch every convention center things like that in
Philly are booked for these different shows. There's a company called GCW. They

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put on a thing called the Collective, which is really cool. They get
you know, eight or nine otherpromotions. They all work together and they
all run shows. Like yesterday morning, I'm working and on one computer,
I've got whatever it is. Itused to be fight TV. Now it's
thriller. And they've got shows startingat nine o'clock in the morning, and
about every other hour you've got anothershow starting, Like you had Josh Barnet's

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bood Sport yesterday, which is bloodSport's great, there's no ropes, it's
simulated MMA and it's some of thestiffer stuff you can watch. I mean,
yeah, it's predetermined, but dude'slike the e let Shanna Baser participate
yesterday, which is crazy. That'show you can tell Vince is gone because
Trips is opening the doors saying,hey, this is our super Bowl.
Let's all work together. I'm gonnasend some of our bigger stars down to

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your smaller shows and let them participate. Uh William regal Son participated. And
so you get just the best fans, the nerdiest of fans, the hard
course to fans that come to thisevent, so they all know everything that's
going on. It's not just yournormal raw crowd where you've got a bunch
of kids in the crowd and familiesand oh I used to watch wrestling and

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go this is a destination. Youplan your rear, d your year round
going to Mania, and that's whythe crowd is super hostile. They love
you, but if you know,they'll turn on you in a heartbeat.
Was it like that here when weit was? Well, I feel like
I missed. I went to WRESTLEMANAwas here when it was at at and
T a couple of years ago,had a great time. Me and Jillian
went on Saturday night and that wasthe night that Cody Rhodes returned incredible to

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WWE. Yeah, which was abig thing. But I feel like I
kind of missed out on the weekthat you just described, Like there was
stuff you were driving past people likemore than you guys, even though yeah,
you knew WrestleMania was in town,but like you said, every convention
center and hotel like they had autographedsignings and photos and every almost every living
wrestler you've ever heard of is intown for WrestleMania. It's like I was

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telling you all, like when itwas here. The Collective GCW was out
at fair Park, which was weirdbeing in like the building with the Butter
sculpture and there's no butter sculpture,there's just people selling merch. And then
right across there's two dudes just beatingthe piss out of each other. Yeah.
And then at the Fairmont they hadWrestle con which is a giant convention
you can go by by pictures autographsfrom pretty much every retired wrestler or current

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independent wrestler, and then they alsodo shows at the same time. That's
what I was. Fair Amount isway too nice for wrestling fans. That's
why it's saying like we walked init just immediately smelled like weed. And
then when I was coming out ofthe bathroom, I got ran over by
the Godfather because you're like move,I got a as big man just pushed
me out of the way. Iwas like, good Lord, was the
hoe training behind him or no?There was no hose. I did almost

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get run. So there's a guybig cast that used to be in the
e and as I was walking outthe door, he's like, legit seven
foot. I opened the door andjust pretty much ran right into his belly
button. Did he apologize? No, I just dropped to my knees.
Well, there you go, finishthe job. Do you have a question
you mentioned? Okay, so,uh as far as in Philly, you
said that they they'll they'll send theirbig name wrestler, wrestlers to smaller markets.

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Well, so there's independent procession.Yeah, I was curious what the
logic behind that was. And tothese smaller markets are like, oh my
god, we got this guy wrestlingin our high school gym, or how
does that work out? It's justa different regime now that Vince is gone
and Triple H is in charge,Paul as we like to call him,
and Nick Connor running things. Sothis isn't Paul Bearer, No Incredible Actions,

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Young King, yeah, or PaulHayman, who's going into the Hall
of Fame time ECW. He origed, he started ECW and one of the
smoothest dudes like in American media tohold a microphone forget wrestling, and he
is he's probably the best. Heenanwill always be and Cornett was great,
but Haman's probably the best talker asa manager of all time. Yes,

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But so there's independent, independent promotionscome in to run shows. And before
with Vince, like there was timeswhere he told the city like, you
can't rent out in a certain areaaround us if you want our vent to
these smaller promotions at Wrestle con thingslike that. It's not like that anymore
now that he's gone, and thatthey're real hardline radius clauses. They're welcoming,

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and it's it's kind of a giveand take because a lot of these
guys, all these guys in theindies, they want to get to the
e they want to go to youknow, aw's a stepping stone as well,
but the goal is to be atWrestleMania, Like that's the super Bowl.
That's if you're in that business,that's where you want to go.
Well, now with him working together, hey, we'll send Shana Basler and
we'll send this other guy down hereto wrestle on your show. We can

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work together. Hey, if you'vegot some good talent, send them this
way to our performance center. Maybewe can give them a try out.
It's just having a working relationship andjust being cool to everybody. It's like,
we're all in the same business here. We can all work together.
We're the top dogs. We don'thave to be d's to you guys.
We can actually just be cool,play out in olive branches. But to
show how weird it is, it'ssort of like the cowboys saying, yeah,

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sure, here's a Dak he canstart one game for the Arlington Renegades.
Well, it's more like here's cJ. Goodwin, he can play
special teams for you, okay onone play? Yeah yeah yeah, but
you still would ask why. Butit helps those smaller promoters to get these
names that otherwise they wouldn't have accessto hold a ton tickets because of it.
And it's kind of a throwback tohow it used to be with the

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Independence right where it's just how youyou borrow a champion and be like,
hey, here's rich with the NWAwhen it was one, when the NWA
was the organizing body of all theprofessional wrestling. We loan people out to
each other, to different territories.Yeah. Interesting, So it's Saturday and
Sunday night. This is how manyyears? Four or five? Now I'm
doing the two nighter. I thinkPandemic year was the first year they went

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two nighters in a thirty six andthen ever since then it's been a two
night deal. How much is thepay per view? Uh, it's uh,
you just get peacocks, sir.You don't have to buy aay per
view because it's it's it's premium liveevents. We don't go on pay per
views anymore. Now that they're ownedby t KO Endeavor, which owns THEFC,
they're probably going to get rid ofthat and go back to the paper

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format make money else that or atleast for the Big four. Just because
you're a peacocks Cock subscriber, youdon't you have to actually pony up for
it, don't. She's part It'spart of being on Peacock. Really.
Yeah, it's part of the WWnetwork because WM was his own standalone Peacock
boy it a few years ago,and it's just part of having Peacock.
Okay, so did they So Peacockobviously ponied up a boatload of money because

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if you don't have that instant boostof cash on by people that are willing
to spend the forty nine to ninetynine or one hundred bucks or whatever it
costs to get it. Yeah,they made it worthwhile. They made it
worth their while also, and yougot the Calcter that loss because NBC owns
USA Network and that's where Raw airs, so they're all in bed together as
it is a smarter big picture playtoo, right, Just more people come

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watch our sport and fall in loveand then get hooked with it, right,
which try probably going to break offnow that Raw is going to Netflix,
so the WA network will probably movefrom Peacock probably to Netflix, maybe
ESPN Plus since the UFC dealers withESPN Plus. We're talking about billion dollar
deals, right, Oh yeah,yeah, a lot of money. I
mean they just sold an Endeavor whatwas it, four billion they sold to

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Endeavor and then they created this TKObrand which is the UFC and WW under
one one roof. And that's whenthe Rock is one of the border directors,
the board member. Okay, kid, can we just the Rocks back
in the game. Yeah, andheavily featured. I saw him and f
and Roman Reigns on TV the othernight. Yes, the late night talk

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shows explained all of them, like, because that's the main storyline of this
WrestleMania is Roman Reigns and the bloodline and the Rocks participation in Cody Rhoades
being the good guy. Just givehim the So originally Cody wins the Royal
Rumble. You win the Royal Rumble, you get to decide who you face,
what champion you face, And hewas Everyone's like, hey, he's

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going to face Roman. Well,when he's coming out to announce that Rock
comes back and Cody steps back.It's like, hey Rock, Roman,
uh, you know, to seewho the real tribal chief is, You'll
to see who's the leader of yourbloodline. You'll have it. So Rock
and Roman are cousins, along withthe Usos and Solo so Co who are
all formed the blood line. Butif you look at the Samoan dynasty that's

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in the WWE, I mean itstarts with Peter My via the Wild Samoans
and it just goes from there.Yokozuna, Rosie Umaga, all those guys,
they're all related. I remember theWild Samoans from back in the day,
So Wild Cicco from the Wild Samoans. That is Roman Reigns's father.
Okay, yeah, and that's Ibelieve that is Rock's uncle. How that

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works I think in real life?Yeah, okay, yeah, they're legitimately
like the most prominent wrestling family ofall time. There's just a thing on
sorry on the biography. I justwatched Eves about Roman Reigns. Yeah,
and he was a stud football player, went to Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech.
Good, good player and at leastfor free agent pick up for those
Vikings, Yeah, Vikings and probablywould have made the roster. He was

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coming out for practice one day andsome dogs pulled him aside and they're like,
hey, but you got leukemia,so let's go get some treatment.
And that pretty much into his football. So we got treatment. He's working
putting furniture together for his sister andhis dad, Sika the Wild Samoan walks
in there and kind of looks downand laughs at him. He's like,
this is what you're gonna do withyour life. He's like, come with
me, and took him to Tampato learn how to wrestle. Yeah,

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it's because it's like in your bloodand I mean, which is kind of
true multi generation families. They've succeededin wrestling. So what what is who
wins the most? And what isthe motivating factor of getting Because the Rock
doesn't need this anymore. He's anA list actor, He's worth more money
than he'll ever spend. What isthe motivation? Is it him kind of

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being kind of honoring his ties?Is is it a big money grab because
obviously everybody stands to win as faras the financial aspect of this, What
is the motivation for Rock to getout of Hollywood and go back to this.
Money's great, fame's great. Butthe reason he's doing it is just
like he was just talking about,this is what they do. This is
in their blood. It doesn't matterif he's selling tequila or whatever he's doing,

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you know, pitching crappy football inArlington doesn't matter. At the heart
of it, he's still a prowrestler. That's what his dad did,
that's what his grandfather did, that'swhat his uncles did, That's what he
did. He wouldn't be where hewas if he didn't start in that crap
be gimmicky costume that he had inMadison Square Garden as Rocky Myivia, and
no one cared and they hated him. And then he turned to this incredible

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heel character and had one of thebest runs of the late nineties early two
thousands, and it skyrocketed him intofame. And he's came back. He
came back and had that two yeardeal with John Cena, and his whole
thing originally, from what I've readand understood, his whole game plan to
this is he wants to have aretirement match against Roman, who's his cousin.

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His family. That's what he wantsto be as retirement match, which
I believe will be. They'll leadto next year. There'll be some shenanigans
that this weekend they get along nowor they're in this no no. If
the Roman are tight, they're tight. Storyline, they're tight. They're guy
having a tag match, So that'llbe the headline. That'll be the main
event of Night one. It's atag match Rock and Roman versus Seth and
Cody and so then which leads intoNight too because Roman is wrestling Cody for

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the title. Romans had the beltfor three and a half years. It's
the longest run in the modern era, longest run since Hogan. You just
don't do that anymore. You know, it's five six months, you switch
the champion. You got to keeppeople's attention, and some people have kind
of fell out of love with thestoryline. I think it's brilliant. A
lot of you know, hardcore fansthink it's brilliant because you're telling this long
game and like last year, theyhad us because we all believed last year,

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everybody to a man believed that Codywas winning last year, and at
the last minute there was changes madeCody lost, and you've done this whole
year long story build to Cody gettingback to Roman and you thought he was
there. Rock steps in, theyhave a press conference in Vegas, Cody
comes out, they make it atag match, and the storyline here is
and Rock turned full heel, whichis great. The first couple of weeks

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he was kind of getting his feet, but his heel promo since then have
been fantastic, making little kids cry, making fun of his mom, making
Cody bleed, and like rubbing hisblood on the belt and saying he's going
to send it to his mom asshe's crying. So the whole thing with
Night one, though, is ifthe Bloodline wins, then Cody Romans match.
Night two is Bloodline rules, whichis just a fancy way of saying
anything goes, no disqualification, weapons, whatever, any more events. Yeah,

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any member of the Bloodline can getinvolved. If Cody Seth win,
it's a straight one on one match, Roman versus Cody, no interference missionary,
Yeah, exactly boring and Roman don'tdo missionary. So if you're building
this year or Cody's winning night too, Cody is the new face of the
company. He's going to be theirnew John Cena. He's extremely, extremely

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charismatic. Anytime he cuts a promo, you damn your want to cry.
He makes you feel, and inthis business, that's all you're trying to
do is make people feel because they'regoing to tune in next week to see
you. They're going to buy thosetickets. And so Cody's winning Night two
because he's the he's the politician,he's the guy they're going to pray it
out in front of everything. He'sbuilt for it. The thing is to

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make him the beautiful baby face thatyou want, the conquering hero. He
has to overcome every obstacle. SoNight one him and Seth lose. Night
two he has their takedown Roman andthe entire bloodline, all the shenanigans by
himself. He can't have any help. He's got to do it clean by
himself. And then there you go. You have your new golden child.

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So it's not like a two yearstory that all leads up to Sunday night.
I will say, one year ago, probably today, you sat in
that chair and kind of said thesame thing on why Cody was gonna beat
him last year, and they lastsecond said screw it. Roman is printing
money. Life is good and thereal swerve now would be you could think
Roman beats him again and ends itall, But then you've ruined Cody,

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like you've done it once he's recovered, you do it, you do it
again, You've ruined him. Youcan't And like he even said, like
one of his promos, He's like, I'm not out here to say like
I'm here to finish my story.I said that last year and I lost,
so I can't keep saying that.Or it's just gonna fall on deaf
years. Lastly, real quick,when you ask why the Rock will come
back to I don't care what theRock's bank account says or action do a

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move cut. Even for that dude, there is nothing like wal I'm through
that curtain and that pop like itis crack rock. And even the Rock,
who has everything on planet or nothingin his life, is like walking
out. He always they always didthat noise, yeaht of when he comes
out and you just see the goosebumpson his arms like he shows it.

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There's nothing like that, and youalways hear wrestlers say that that's the one
thing they miss the most is thepop of the crowd when they hear your
music that first time and you walkthrough that curtain. There's nothing like It's
best drug in the world. Cocaineand steroids are great, especially if they're
you know, coming, easy tohandle. Pack fan pack. It's not
how it works, all right.I know you're gonna stick around. We're
just gonna keep growing around. We'regonna play some talkbacks. Whatever you got.

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Dude, what's the big story fromWrestleMania. The other big story which
you don't know he did, thatwas just sexing up the teas. We'll
sexing it up. When he says, oh, we'll let him talk about
Gunther for a second. I'm sohard. We had tons of cra had
tons of crabs, trust us.Fun time next