January 27, 2025 • 30 mins
Bills/Chiefs. Josh Allens legacy, how big of a story were the refs? Thoughts of Klint Kubiak hire.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We got a lot to get to this morning, a
lot to get to and that and starts with the NFL.
Because the Mariners did they do anything? Anderson?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Nope, I am waiting. I've been waiting for three months
for them to do something. But hashtag no moves is
still in effect. Hashtag I like that hashtag. Don't tell
me that Donovan Solon is a move because it's not.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
No. I mean, Greg and I we joke around about
that quite often. And Greg Bell's off today. He'll be back,
I believe Thursday. So today is me and Anderson, Tomorrow
Jess and myself, and then Wednesday, the Great Mike Benton
will be on air with us as well. So we
got it all taken care of. But Greg will be
back with us on Thursday. But yeah, the Manners haven't
done anything. Andrews. I haven't asked you about this, And
I know you're you're the Mariners guy. It's you, Chuck
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Buck Ferness. Yep, you guys are all the Mariners. Yeah,
well they're automatically included. Yeah, but I haven't got to
ask you, like how disappointing or how disappointed you've been
before we get to the NFL. How disappointed you've been
about these Mariners this and what they've done in the
off season, especially with the pitching staff, which is the elite. Yeah,
there's a lot of ways to look at it.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I think if you look at the last two off seasons,
the Mariners tried to kind of slightly level up in
the offensive categories while slightly leveling down maybe in the
pitching categories. Trading away Robbie Ray for Mitch Haanger is
a good example of that. But I think neither none
of those moves had really worked. Trading away au Heno
Suarez and then signing Jorge Polonko.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oh yeah, jorhe was a yeah, not great.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
That second base position, I think is just cursed for
Seattle Mariners because they did Colton Wall in the year before,
trying to upgrade over Adam Frasier. So I think what
the Mariners are doing, and this is why the hashtag
no Moves thing is is a movement because there's the
kind of general thought that if the Mariners were to
make a move, it would be trading away a starting pitcher,
and honestly, what you would get in return, there's questions
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whether that would even be worth trading away one of
your best players in your starting in part of your
starting rotation. Even if it would maybe slightly upgrade your offense,
I think it would personally, I think it would derail
the pitching a little bit more than it would upgrade
the offense. So at this point they're kind of just
standing pat maybe trying to fill some gaps in some places,
but try and keep the starting pitching together. So I
think overall it's disappointing because I think they have less
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to spend than we originally thought they did. If they
were like given a free agency chest to play with,
they could have gone for the Alex Bragman. They could
have gone for the Pee Alonso, who are both still available. Yeah,
but yeah, I don't know. I see what ends up happening.
But I would be a little disappointed if they ended
up trading away.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
That's enough Mariners talks for to get that out the way,
you know, because Greg and I have made a pack
probably not the talk manners baseball until pictures and catchers
hit the field. Sounds good. At this point, they haven't
done anything worth. Let's have a discussion. And I know
a lot of listeners get upset when Greg and I
even talk about it because they're like Chris, they haven't
done anything. Let's move on from that. So the biggest
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topic of the day is the Chiefs the Eagles. They're
back at it again. I'm curious what was more disappointing.
I actually was a disappointing. No, what was more surprising
the fact at how bad the Commander's played, or that
the Chiefs are back.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
At another Super Bowl. For me, it's the Commanders. And
because I was, I was more rooting hard for them
than I was against the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I cared more like emotionally about the Commander's Eagles game
than I did about the Bills Chiefs game. I just
want to see a good game in that, which it was. Uh,
but I got it. I just I cannot stand the
touch push. I am so done with it. You're like, Hugh,
I am so done with it. He was willing to
die on the field on the heel.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
He was with it. He has listening to him this morning.
He was, Yeah, he's ready to die on that. And
I feel him because that is one play that you
can do nothing, you can do everything right and they
still score a touchdown and she jump off sides. And
he still can't stop. And you know what, the refs
are gonna say, you keep jumping off sides, we will
award the other the offensive team with the touchdown. I
didn't even know that was a rule. I didn't either,
and that was fascinating because Louvu was like he was
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over the he was over it. It's just like, I'm
done with this. And you know what, I don't think
he was doing it on purpose. I think he was
really just trying to get a jump on it, and
he was wrong every single time, because what can you do?
And I'm waiting for a defensive coordinator to find the
trick and how to do it outside of jumping over
the center and wrapping up the quarterback and dragging him
down backward. I just I don't have an answer. I
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don't know if anyone will. I guess the only thing
to do is to outlaw it. But yet again, the
Chiefs they're back, and I would say the most surprising
thing to me would be the Chiefs doing this just
because yeah, I'm surprising. Yeah, was surprising because I really
thought the Bills had a really strong chance to win it.
I really did, deep down. I've kind of figured the
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Chiefs would get it done. But I definitely believed in
the Bills going on the road and winning. I thought, Okay,
they can do it, and they had their opportunities. I
know that fourth and one questionable. Did Josh Allen get
the first down? I thought he did, a lot of
people thought he did, but the evidence was inconclusive to
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overturn and say yeah, it's a first down for the
Buffalo Bills. And then also four nine five one when
it's game time, it's what was a harder more? What
was the harder catch? The Mark Andrews one or mister
Kincaid over the middle when Josh Allen just hell Mary
pretty much that looked like a hell man. It is
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actually a perfect it really was. When he threw it,
I was like, oh, this is getting picked yea, And
I said, oh my goodness, and he dropped it. So
which which catch was tougher, Dalton King Kaid or Mark Andrews?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I still say it was the tougher catch was probably
Kinkaids because he has to come back to it a
little bit, and that's what I thought around him. Mark
was pretty wide open.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I'm thinking that's the easiest catch, and I know he
was the quarterback guru. He was saying, well, he didn't
say this, I don't think. In the morning he said
that Mark Andrews had a really tough catch to make,
not much. I think he was saying alluding to that. Yeah,
he was putting the blame not solely on Mark Andrews.
He said, the throws a little late. Yes, that's what
it was. Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
He had to kind of turn back to it a
little bit, but still there's no defenders around you.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
It hit his hands. He expected to make that. I
love you talking about middle school was making that play
that Dalton Kinkaid dropped. I'm like, yeah, that's a tough one.
I feel bad for those guys. Man. Yeah, they played
the presser. They showed the pressor of Josh Allen talking
to the reporters and you could just see the pain.
It's disappointing. You know, to beat the champs, you really
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the champs. You gotta beat them. I was gonna say,
you really have to play perfectly to be the Chiefs,
don't you. No, I don't know if you have to
play perfect, but you you just they almost did too.
And that's the crazy thing, Like you say you have
to play perfect and you still lose. Think about that.
Did Josh Allen give an interception up? No? Did be
fumbled the football?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Almost did. He almost did, but he got it back,
so he fumbled and recovered it. It wasn't the fumble loss. Meanwhile,
you look at the Commanders, they were due for some turnovers.
Oh yeah, and that's why I wasn't too surprised. And
then when they were talking during the game about the
game and they explained, oh yeah, the Philadelphia Eagles forced
the most forced fumbles in the NFL. I think they
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said twenty seven. Their defenseveit man. I got a double
check because twenty seven is a lot of force fumbles. Yeah,
but when they put the ball on the ground three times,
I was like, okay, those are legit punches. Oh yeah,
it couldn't have been could have been worse. And then
as I talked talked about with Greg last week, I
believe it was on Thursday and Friday, he picked the
Commanders to win, and I was thinking, yeah, I don't
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know about that. There's a there's a guy named Saquan
initial SB Saquon Barkley. I just I felt like he
might have a crazy game. He had such a crazy game.
They benched him. They say, yeah, it's over. You know
we're up twenty. You ain't gotta play no more. You
can go sit on the sideline and we're gonna rest
you for our big game when we need you the most.
How stupid our giants are. The Giants feeling right now
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for not bringing him back. Not that they would have
made the playoffs or anything. I think they had a
lot more other they had other issues, but letting him go.
And then you see his performance and the Eagles are like, yo,
we have everything we need, we just need a running back.
And now you're seeing them full swing and they win
by twenty plus points and it made it look easy.
I think it's kind of a perfect marriage with Saquan
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and the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah like that. That team is built on running the football.
They don't need to lean on Jalen Hurts as much.
And I think of the four quarterbacks, I think he
was probably the weakest of the four quarterbacks. And Championship weekend,
which isn't saying much because it's Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes
and Jane Danis is the next big thing in the NFL.
But still, you usually expect to have a pretty eight
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year quarterback, and I think he's just been asked to
not turn the ball over and hand it off to
Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
How fun would that be?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
God playing it behind an elite offensive line with an
elite defense. They pay lead playmakers.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You know, I don't want to hear no more about
paying players. Trade and d K. John Schnyder just has
to being cheap. Okay, sure, you can make a few moves.
I think Greg and I think almost every show has
gone over the players the Seahawks can cut ties with
that are not game changers. Yeah, okay, no offense. Might
be a guy you can get, you know, hey, man,
we appreciate it, but don't know if you're gonna work
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out for us next casualty. Yeah, Draymond Jones, yep. I
think he's a fine player, but what the Seas asked
to do is not working. So that's a lot of
bread that you can free up. And then the last
banal of least, I think a lot of people are
feeling maybe Tyre Lockett right, So right then and there,
if I'm not mistaken, that's about twenty eight million dollars
freed up. Even more. I think it is Tyler Locker
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lockets before I go in and do all the math,
because as you guys know, you guys been listening to
this time slot for years. I'm not that good at math,
so we're just gonnaugh roughly estimate.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, it's not even just math. It's like there's weird
like rules about Andrews cut. Someone understand how much it
actually saves you. I'm not a cap guy, Anderson, We're
just gonna leave that math. Okay, we're just gonna leave
it at night. Me and you are both not cap guys.
But when we start adding up the math the numbers,
we get a little lost in the sauce. And that's okay.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Well, let's just say it's twenty eight million dollars. You
can easily go out and use that twenty eight million
dollars to shore up certain aspects of the offensive line.
I think that's the biggest thing. Because I was listening
to Softy and Fame, I think it was two weeks
ago and Jackson they were talking about they're ready to
just be done with Geno, and I'm just like, I
don't know if that's the best idea. You give up,
you give up all that money and now expecting John
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to fix it. There have been multiple examples of John
getting bread of a player, whether it be a trade,
they're cutting them and the ROI return an investment on
investment isn't what it's hyped up to be. The best
example would be mister Frank Clark. You guys remember that trade. Yep,
we're not gonna pay this guy one hundred million dollars.
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You kidding, meet, We're gonna go draft the guy. We're
gonna do all these different things. And Anderson, you're correct,
the chief. When the super Bowl, Frank Clark plays well,
he is a big part of it, huge part of it,
that big, huge, We're gonna just make that a little
we want to make sure we emphasize the impact that
he had and not that he would help this team
right now, because I think, no, no, no, no, that
is I want I want to make it very clear.
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Frank Clark in twenty twenty five, no he is. That's
not his bag anymore. He had a great run and
the Seahawks said, John Snyder said, yeah, buddy, that's not
something we do one hundred million dollars. I can't give
you that bread. But we'll trade you and we'll recoup
that and we'll make our d line better. And that
didn't happen. It's the same conversation we just had about
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the Mariners. Right, if you have good players, you want
to keep those good players, right do you hope? So, man,
that's the that's the whole point of this, right, that's
the whole point. Players. I don't want to get rid
of Gino. A lot of you know that. We argue
on the text line quite a bit. So we'll just
we'll skip through that.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
And you could say that you don't want to get
rid of Gena, but also not think that he's like
a top five quarterback.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I know he's not a top five quarterback. I know
he's not a top ten, But when you get to
twelve thirteen, he's right in that discussion, that's what I think.
I think. I know Fame was saying that he believes
Kirk Cousins isn't done. I'm like, fine, I don't know
what you were thinking by saying that, because he's on
one leg. Yeah, and I don't know if he's going
to get better. He ain't young, and he's not a
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spring chicken anymore. Nope, And they tried their best, he
wasn't healthy. He's not playing it down again for the
Atlanta Falbers. Yeah, and I don't see that. Look at
the situation. He wasn't in Minnesota and then he leaves
and he's not nearly the same player. I think the
best ball you got out of him was in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Well, I think a lot of it's the situation, right, Yeah,
what happened to Sam Donald pretty terrible, then goes into
that situation all of a sudden it's a Pro Bowl. Yeah, yeah,
So I think it's just more about the situation that
he's in, which that's another thing like we could talk
about with the offense coordinator of the hiring, is how
do you get the most out of him? Because I
think the most likely scenarios that keep Geno. I don't
see them trying to upgrade or they that we've been
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wrong before. Yeah, this whole station thought Russ was in
the bag.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
We got res No. Well, actually, I won't say everyone,
but there was a lot of people that didn't believe
that they would make such a big statement, a big trade,
and you know, shocked everyone. March seventeen and twenty twenty three,
was it? Wow? Yeah, and just said, you know, twenty
twenty two. Yeah, Wow, time's flying and traded Russ. So
that's going to be We're gonna have the Geno Watch.
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I guess we can call it Geno Watch. Geno Watch.
That is the biggest question, because they've already answered the
OC question. Yeah, got him, Clint Kubiak. And if you're
just now tuning in, it's the Greg Bill Show, Christopher Kidd.
Instead of Greg Bill, we have Anderson Hurst in the building.
So it's what'd you call it? The hype, lightskin hype,
the light skin hype. There we go. Yeah, because the
hype of white was Anderson and Jackson Jackson. It's not
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Anderson and Jackson today. So lightskin hype, light skin hype.
There you go. It all works out. It's a name.
But yeah, four nine four or five to one. I'm curious,
you guys, what was more shocking the fact that the
commanders got beat down the way they did or the
fact that the chiefs are on their way for a
three Pete and I do want to get into the
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Josh Allen legacy because I think I'll save it for
the next segment. So what we're gonna do next We're
gonna take a little time out here. Can you listen
to The Greg Bell Show with Christopher Kidd on ninety
three point three kJ r FM.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Now back to Greg Bell and Christopher Kidd on your
home for the NFL Playoffs and Super Bowl fifty nine
Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFL touch Down.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Welcome back to the Greg Bells Show with Christopher Kid.
We have Anderson Hurst filling in today. And you guys
all saw the NFL Playoffs, NFC Championship, AFC Championship game.
No I didn't, Chris fill me in what happened? Well,
the Chiefs have done it yet again, no surprise, They're right.
I was so rooting for the Bills. I think a
lot of people were. I mentioned last week that I'm
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getting fatigued a little tired of the Chiefs winning. But
I'm also I'm intrigued by greatness and we might be
getting that. If they can win three in a row.
I won't be upset. I really really I won't, because
would you.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, I guess if this wasn't there third in a row,
if they're like third or fourth year, yeah, something like that,
we have a chance.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
To see someone be more dominant than Tom Brady. Yeah, Like,
I know, tom Brady has the longevity because he's won
a thousand of them. But we're talking one, two, three
in a row. You gotta think about it.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
The closest mahomes to Tom Brady. Oh he is knocking
on his door, do you think so?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah? If he wins three in a row, that alone
puts him right there. He's very close. All he needs
to do is win a fourth one, Yeah, because there's
no telling that. Maybe he doesn't win another one, maybe
he stops at four and then okay, he didn't reach Brady,
so Brad so Brady's probably still the goat. But right now,
the way he's playing, you could argue that, how can
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he not win eight or nine?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, he's only twenty nine, So that's the thing. At
least six or seven more years at that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
But one thing that Tom Brady was able to do
was avoid taking hits. Yeah, like he didn't. He wasn't
a guy that was going to break out of the
pocket and run down the sideline, but he knew how
to avoid sacks, get the ball out of his hands,
just turn his body certain angles. Hell, give up on
a play, not trying to do too much. It's like, okay,
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I'm gonna take a sacre. Let me just get down.
He did that his entire career and he was able
to play till his fifty. Yeah, there's one major injury. Yeah,
and Mahomes not so much. He's had not major injuries.
But you know he was banged him not saying Tom
Brady never got banged up, but that's what separates the two.
Tom Brady was. You know what, Patrick Mahomes should honestly
just call up Brady, not saying that he hasn't already
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done this. Maybe he has, but he should honestly take
a page out of his playbook and say, Tom Brady
showed me the way to get down and avoid these
sacks despite having a poor offensive line one year or
mediocre whatever the case may be. That way, I can
play to forty and I can try to top year
seven super Bowls because that would be the key for
Patrick Mahomes. But I do want to get to another quarterback,
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and that's Josh Allen because the big discussion probably around
the world is does this loss take a hit to
his legacy. I'm gonna say flat out now now I
don't think it does. And here's why. He just ran
into Patrick Mahomes a year after year. It's almost to
the players that ran into Tom Brady year and year
out when they got to the AFC Championship game, or
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if he played for the Bucks, they ran into him,
and that's just his greatness. He is arguably one of
the Tom Brady is the greatest. Patrick Mahomes is one
of degrade knocking on his door. And every year comes
down to that. And as you mentioned it earlier, Anderson,
you almost have to play perfect to beat Patrick Mahomes
and the Chiefs. That's insane. Yeah, I'm gonna disagree with
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you here a little bit. And the thing is would
so you do think it hits it hurts his legacy.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I think because if there was a year I think
to beat Mahomes, it would have been this team.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
How do you think people that played against Jordan and
Tom Brady for true and every year they say, oh,
it's our year, and they think, oh, Jordan's gonna have
a bad year, Old Brady's gonna have and it doesn't matter.
No was their greatness. So in ten years, if Josh
Allen only gets one Super Bowl, I'm not gonna hold
it against him, be like, Bro, you went up against
freaking Patrick Mahomes every year.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, but that's that's his legacy. Though everyone's gonna do
that as his legacy is losing to Patrick. And I
can't knock him for that. Patrick's better player, right, it's
not knocking him. But I think if he played in
almost any other era, I guess maybe against Tom Brady
and those guys, but who knows what it have looked,
you would have lost.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But I I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I think he's just that talented of a player and
it sucks that like for him that he happened to
be like he's only one year younger than Patrick.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
But let me spin it this way for you Anderson,
what could he have done differently to give his team
a chance to win? Because that fourth and one, we
both agreed that was a first down, the throw that
he threw up just for that wasn't on him. What
more could he have done? Maybe a two point conversion?
Could It's not even that what he could have done
it Just so that's why I'm even more lean and
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saying it's not on him and it doesn't hurt his
legacy because he did everything he could.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
There's a difference between it being his fault that they lost,
his fault. No, No, it's what I'm saying. There's a difference
between it being his fault that he lost and having
it hurt his legacy, because I think it still can
hurt your legacy, but it not not be his fault. Right,
It wasn't his fault. He was one of the best
players on the field, if not the best player last night.
But he's not going to reach the heights that I
think his talent level has and what he probably should be.
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Because he plays in the same conference as Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I think one year he can get Mahomes. But again,
it ain't this year. It should have been, honestly should
have been. I think a lot of people are probably
with you, but Mahomes does things. I know they went
fifteen to two or whatever, but there are all close games. Yeah,
they were not Chiefs of the past winning by twenty
points kind of what the Bills did this season. With
a lot of teams, they were blowing them out. Even
the Lions had a good run where they were. I mean,
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I remember that factor fiction pick when I went with
the drags plus the points and boy did they show up.
I think it was like you thought that the Lions
weren't for real. Huh. I just thought the Jags could
have a game where everyone plays lights out, backup quarterback
goes in there and they shock the world, and the
Lions like, hey, we have reseat guys, and that's not
what happened. But AnyWho, back to Josh Allen, I just
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believe that when you put those two on the line
in a game like that, I thought Josh Allen did
everything he could everything. I don't think there's anything he
could do differently that says, oh, yeah, they win the
game because Josh Allen. And that's where I'm like, you know,
I'm not gonna let it bother your legacy. Same with
Lamar Jackson. It's like, bro, you have it.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Some people don't look like you're looking at Well, that's
logic perspective, and that's fine.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I'll be logical, you can be. I'm not. I'm not
saying you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I'm like, twenty years from now, people are gonna look
back and be like, oh, Josh Allen, Yeah fine, it's
like damn, you know, you know, never.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Won a Super Bowl, but you know, I hope he
wins super Bowl. That's what I think exactly. That's why
I disagree. I think Josh will get one. You think
so yeah, I think he's gonna get one. I think
Lamar's gonna get one. I think Josh is gonna get one. Eventually,
we're handing out super Bowls like op his favorite things
over here. I don't know if if they get If
let's say they win three in a row, right, the
next discussion will be can they win a fourth? At
some point attrition kicks in.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, especially if Travis Kelcey retires, which is a lot
of Well, if they win three in a row, I
think Travis Kelzy probably comes back. You think, so, well,
why not? Why not on top?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Baby? Well, they are on top? But why does he
even get a fourth?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Like?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Double it double it up? Yeah? Go four in thirty six.
That's pretty old for a tight end. It is. But
he's been he's everyone plays with something, so I'm sure
he's banged up, but he's on the field. So the
injury report says he's good to go if he wants to,
and he can, and they can win a fourth one
if they win the third in a row. I really
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don't see why he wouldn't return and help Mahomes in
that offense do something really special. They need him because
it's like, yeah, he would be he would be huge
piece to that team.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, a huge piece. Yeah, Any's the greatest tighten of
all time.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah. I mean it's hard to argue with What more
can we say? He's thirty fifty years old out here
still routing folks up. No tell him what he's gonna
do in the Super Bowl. He didn't have an amazing
game yesterday. He didn't need to, but didn't need didn't
need to. Imagine if you had an amazing game, Oh
my gosh, Well, they probably wouldn't buy ten or more points.
But I believe the bill. Well they're also holding. I
mean I don't know. I think there was like there
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was three or four calls on Kelsey for holding him. Yeah,
he would have got the ball. Well he didn't get
the ball.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah, Like they couldn't even throw him because he was
being hugged. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
So that's another discussion. I want to ask, how big
of a story do you think the refs were yesterday?
To me, the refs, no, not much. Really, the Bill
Dalton Kink was a ref involved in that one. He
just dropped the ball. The only one you could really
argue is the fourth and one, and we had a discussion.
We thought it was the first Okay, cool, the defense
still got stup on the field and do something. I
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know that it's very cliche, very Dug Chris, I know,
but that's just the fact of the matter. The refs
are not going to tilt the game that much. Dalton
Kincaid had an opportunity to make a really crazy catch
to either tie the game or we're talking about something
completely different.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
The Bills are going to win it all. That's we
discussed today. If the Bills had won, if don Kinka
makes that catch, that's where we're going at James Cook
balling out, that's where it discussed. Awesome yesterday he was
I thought they're gonna continue to run the football, But
I get why they didn't. There's a clock element. You know,
how much time can you really can we really run
the football? That would we want to and still throw
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it when you're in the league. Yeah, and you're getting
nine yards to carry. Yeah. I think they just get
they want to be aggressive. They knew who they're playing.
You can't be you can't be a little too sweet
knowing that you got one of the greatest number two
of all time back there thirteen seconds a year ago
would happened. Everyone remembers that all they got so mad
they have to change the overtime rules. I was a
(23:14):
couple of years ago. Yeah, okay, you get my point.
Ye was it two years ago? Two years ago, even three?
I don't know. Time just don't work in the same
when you're in radio. I swear it doesn't any who.
They had to change the rules for that guy. Yeah,
so there's no safe bet. I get them being ultra
aggressiment throwing the football and trying to get it down
the field because the Chiefs know you want to run
(23:35):
it and I care. Like you said, they were averaging
nine yards of pop. They were, they were moving it.
They even stop it. I think, what was that The
second to first drive and the second half, they just
ran it, ran it, ran it, ran it, touchdown, loved it.
I said, oh, this is physical football, and I thought, okay,
they might try to do that again. But they also
got to realize we got to be aggressive too. We
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got to be aggressive and put that ball in the
air because they got that's what they got Amari Cooper
four for those big time drives third and nine. Who
am I gonna give it to?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
You won't half third nine? If you run the ball
eight yards of carry, you won't have to do that.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
You wouldn't. But in certain scenarios, I thought the Chiefs
when they needed to, they got some pretty big stops. Now,
I don't think the ref though, were a big big
play in this entire game. Yeah, I do think they
missed some calls.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
But as someone kind of tends to root for the
Chiefs a little bit more than root against them, me,
I really, yeah, like more often than not, I don't
care that much. I don't like, I'm not a Chiefs fan.
I'm not like I get it. Like, I don't care
if they don't win the Super Bowl. I mean more
would want the Eagles to lose and the Chiefs to win.
For really, Yeah, I just can't stand the touchbush man.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Oh yeah, back to back to they cannot do that.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, But I think the refs were definitely a bigger
story in the Houston game than they were in this game.
Even though even in the Houston game, the kicker missed
two field goals that would have won the game if
they had done that. So, yes, you can point to
the refs and in big moments they more often than not.
At ten, it seems to like the call see to
go the Chiefs way more often than not in the
big moments. But there you can also point to so
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many other moments that like the teams miss opportunities on
Like you said, with the Dalton k and k catch,
you need to come down with that and that that
changed the whole game.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
You're gonna go down and probably score it. It doesn't even
matter what the ref. Dude, Oh we didn't get the
ball back on fourth and one or fourth and inches.
We have Dalton kin kate yea hidd't me exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, when I think about the Xavier Worthy catch that
they call the catch that a lot of people are thinking, well,
you know.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
What, let's table that. You know, we're running a little late,
got it. So when we come back Xavier Worthy, I'm
sure the Bills would love to have him. They had
an opportunity, they said, I we'll trade out.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
True.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Nonetheless, you're listening to the Greg Beill Show, Christopher Kid,
we got Anderson Hurst filling in for Greg. We'll come
back more and we'll talk a little bit about that
game between the Chiefs and the Buffalo Bills next on
ninety three point three KJRFM got Now.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Back to Greg Bell and Christopher Kidd on your home
for the NFL Playoffs and Super Bowl fifty nine. Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFL touch Down.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Welcome back to the Greg Bill Show. Because of a kid,
I got Anderson Hurst filling in helping the brother out. Anderson,
you posed an excellent question. Yeah, why don't you run
that back for our listeners.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So the first thing I want you guys to text
us in your opinions that we talked about last segment
is how much of a factor do you think the
ref's played in last game? In the Chiefs and Bills
game from last night? Texting your thoughts whether you think
it's a big deal. They made every single call with
the Chiefs way, and if they had played a fair game,
then the Bills would have won, or if you think
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it made no difference at all, the Chiefs would have won.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Either way, let me know your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
He's nine four or five to one, it's the total
more do text line when it's game time, it is.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yes, sir. Also at eleven three ish, we'll have Luke Johnson,
he covers the Saints for NOLA dot Com, and he'll
give us all the insight on Clint Kubiak, because that's
one thing people want to know, like, who is Clint?
How is he gonna help this Sea offense? We know
what Ryan Grubb was able to do. It didn't work out,
(27:04):
mainly because the offensive line was just not helping in
a lot of scenarios. I mean, what will more come
a man call if the out line cannot block for
two seconds that the old line cannot get guys off
the ball push dudes back. But he did figure out
the counter that was very helpful. The counter was able
to move your guard and tackle different spaces, clearing the
way for Zach Charburney, who had a really good had
(27:26):
a couple of good games when he was a good
second half of the season for sure, because he was
able to get those guards moving, those tackles moving, creating space.
So I'm in the rest of it. Hear what he
has to say and how this Clint Kubiak can help.
But what about you?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Are you surprised about the Clint Kubiak signing for the
offensivecordaated position.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
No, I like it. All Saints didn't have like an
amazing offense last year, So that's another reason. Another question
we can ask, like, Yo, what happened? You guys were
smoking hot? I know injuries played a part in that,
but I'm curious to hear what Luke thinks or he
was front and center he will be to give us
some of those answers to what went wrong, because yeah,
(28:02):
they I think their first two games they were putting.
They had eighty points combined. They were on fire, and
they beat the Cowboys, who coming into the season, you know,
another year, they were the favorite to do something. I
don't know what they were favorite to do. But it
didn't last long because Dak Dak Haskrat Dak Prescott tore
his hamstring off the bone. So when you do stuff
(28:24):
like that, you're done for the year. But yeah, they
looked exciting. And the biggest thing is I want to
see how he's gonna get decay of the football. I
feel like we say that every year about avyoc that's
come in, how you need to decay football, you need
to get debeaivotball. Yeah, I want to see how he's
going to give the ball to Big one four because
there's just too many times while I'm watching games saying, wow,
(28:47):
DK only had three targets today. Huh yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Well, the biggest question I have is his dad, Gary Kubiak.
So Clint Kubiak's dad was a coach the Texans for
the longest time, and I think he's had a couple
other stints. But he's known for his running game. That's fine,
and that's like kind of he is. That's fine an
outside zone guy like you handing the ball off more
often than not.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You know what that means? Yeah, you know that means
understanding if you can run the football, well what the
passing game should be amazing. Yeah, you should be able
to throw DK the ball whenever you want.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Because I'm not saying that like that means that DK
won't get involved. I'm just saying, like, if we're looking
for more of a balance, because we all know that
Ryan Grubb pretty pass heavy, pretty pass heavy guy. Uh,
but how is that gonna work with a pretty subpar
offensive line at least at this point, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Some you can need a good offensive line to run
the ball. You can't just hand it off to ken
Walker and expect them to break three tackles in the backfield.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Wide zone is something that they're strong with. Yep, But
wide zone, what does that mean? You gotta have good
old lineman guys that can get out wide and and move.
And the seahowfs could move forward. The only thing they
could move was on the counterplays where tackles and guards
again are pulling and getting outside. Knocked the microphone all
withy my bed. He was so excited to tell that
a counterplay. It was a really cool play. When they
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start running, I was like, this is nice man, it's
working like you're you're getting seven yards of pop. Okay,
just keep doing that. And then teams said, yeah, we
know you want to run a counter bra so you
have to find something else. But you gotta be able
to adjust. And that's that's one thing that Ryan Grubb
tried to do, but it just it wasn't enough and
him and Mike m Ryan Grub and Mike McDonald just
(30:18):
weren't seeing id I I to eye on that, and
that's cool. You know, differences it works out. That's sometimes
how it works. Some guys just don't see how to
eye and you got to move on from that, because yeah,
the seahow're trying to do bigger and bigger and better things.
They they want to be in the super Bowl at
some point. So enough of that. We'll give you more though, because,
as I mentioned, Luke Johnson, he covered the stands for
New Orleans, n O, LA dot com, NOLA dot com,
(30:40):
and he will join us next here again it's the
Greg Bell Show, Christopher Kid, I got Anderson Herst film,
and we'll talk to Luke Johnson next on nineteen point
three KJRFM
We got a lot to get to this morning, a
lot to get to and that and starts with the NFL.
Because the Mariners did they do anything? Anderson?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Nope, I am waiting. I've been waiting for three months
for them to do something. But hashtag no moves is
still in effect. Hashtag I like that hashtag. Don't tell
me that Donovan Solon is a move because it's not.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
No. I mean, Greg and I we joke around about
that quite often. And Greg Bell's off today. He'll be back,
I believe Thursday. So today is me and Anderson, Tomorrow
Jess and myself, and then Wednesday, the Great Mike Benton
will be on air with us as well. So we
got it all taken care of. But Greg will be
back with us on Thursday. But yeah, the Manners haven't
done anything. Andrews. I haven't asked you about this, And
I know you're you're the Mariners guy. It's you, Chuck
(00:37):
Buck Ferness. Yep, you guys are all the Mariners. Yeah,
well they're automatically included. Yeah, but I haven't got to
ask you, like how disappointing or how disappointed you've been
before we get to the NFL. How disappointed you've been
about these Mariners this and what they've done in the
off season, especially with the pitching staff, which is the elite. Yeah,
there's a lot of ways to look at it.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I think if you look at the last two off seasons,
the Mariners tried to kind of slightly level up in
the offensive categories while slightly leveling down maybe in the
pitching categories. Trading away Robbie Ray for Mitch Haanger is
a good example of that. But I think neither none
of those moves had really worked. Trading away au Heno
Suarez and then signing Jorge Polonko.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oh yeah, jorhe was a yeah, not great.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
That second base position, I think is just cursed for
Seattle Mariners because they did Colton Wall in the year before,
trying to upgrade over Adam Frasier. So I think what
the Mariners are doing, and this is why the hashtag
no Moves thing is is a movement because there's the
kind of general thought that if the Mariners were to
make a move, it would be trading away a starting pitcher,
and honestly, what you would get in return, there's questions
(01:46):
whether that would even be worth trading away one of
your best players in your starting in part of your
starting rotation. Even if it would maybe slightly upgrade your offense,
I think it would personally, I think it would derail
the pitching a little bit more than it would upgrade
the offense. So at this point they're kind of just
standing pat maybe trying to fill some gaps in some places,
but try and keep the starting pitching together. So I
think overall it's disappointing because I think they have less
(02:08):
to spend than we originally thought they did. If they
were like given a free agency chest to play with,
they could have gone for the Alex Bragman. They could
have gone for the Pee Alonso, who are both still available. Yeah,
but yeah, I don't know. I see what ends up happening.
But I would be a little disappointed if they ended
up trading away.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
That's enough Mariners talks for to get that out the way,
you know, because Greg and I have made a pack
probably not the talk manners baseball until pictures and catchers
hit the field. Sounds good. At this point, they haven't
done anything worth. Let's have a discussion. And I know
a lot of listeners get upset when Greg and I
even talk about it because they're like Chris, they haven't
done anything. Let's move on from that. So the biggest
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topic of the day is the Chiefs the Eagles. They're
back at it again. I'm curious what was more disappointing.
I actually was a disappointing. No, what was more surprising
the fact at how bad the Commander's played, or that
the Chiefs are back.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
At another Super Bowl. For me, it's the Commanders. And
because I was, I was more rooting hard for them
than I was against the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I cared more like emotionally about the Commander's Eagles game
than I did about the Bills Chiefs game. I just
want to see a good game in that, which it was. Uh,
but I got it. I just I cannot stand the
touch push. I am so done with it. You're like, Hugh,
I am so done with it. He was willing to
die on the field on the heel.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
He was with it. He has listening to him this morning.
He was, Yeah, he's ready to die on that. And
I feel him because that is one play that you
can do nothing, you can do everything right and they
still score a touchdown and she jump off sides. And
he still can't stop. And you know what, the refs
are gonna say, you keep jumping off sides, we will
award the other the offensive team with the touchdown. I
didn't even know that was a rule. I didn't either,
and that was fascinating because Louvu was like he was
(03:46):
over the he was over it. It's just like, I'm
done with this. And you know what, I don't think
he was doing it on purpose. I think he was
really just trying to get a jump on it, and
he was wrong every single time, because what can you do?
And I'm waiting for a defensive coordinator to find the
trick and how to do it outside of jumping over
the center and wrapping up the quarterback and dragging him
down backward. I just I don't have an answer. I
(04:08):
don't know if anyone will. I guess the only thing
to do is to outlaw it. But yet again, the
Chiefs they're back, and I would say the most surprising
thing to me would be the Chiefs doing this just
because yeah, I'm surprising. Yeah, was surprising because I really
thought the Bills had a really strong chance to win it.
I really did, deep down. I've kind of figured the
(04:31):
Chiefs would get it done. But I definitely believed in
the Bills going on the road and winning. I thought, Okay,
they can do it, and they had their opportunities. I
know that fourth and one questionable. Did Josh Allen get
the first down? I thought he did, a lot of
people thought he did, but the evidence was inconclusive to
(04:52):
overturn and say yeah, it's a first down for the
Buffalo Bills. And then also four nine five one when
it's game time, it's what was a harder more? What
was the harder catch? The Mark Andrews one or mister
Kincaid over the middle when Josh Allen just hell Mary
pretty much that looked like a hell man. It is
(05:13):
actually a perfect it really was. When he threw it,
I was like, oh, this is getting picked yea, And
I said, oh my goodness, and he dropped it. So
which which catch was tougher, Dalton King Kaid or Mark Andrews?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I still say it was the tougher catch was probably
Kinkaids because he has to come back to it a
little bit, and that's what I thought around him. Mark
was pretty wide open.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I'm thinking that's the easiest catch, and I know he
was the quarterback guru. He was saying, well, he didn't
say this, I don't think. In the morning he said
that Mark Andrews had a really tough catch to make,
not much. I think he was saying alluding to that. Yeah,
he was putting the blame not solely on Mark Andrews.
He said, the throws a little late. Yes, that's what
it was. Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
He had to kind of turn back to it a
little bit, but still there's no defenders around you.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
It hit his hands. He expected to make that. I
love you talking about middle school was making that play
that Dalton Kinkaid dropped. I'm like, yeah, that's a tough one.
I feel bad for those guys. Man. Yeah, they played
the presser. They showed the pressor of Josh Allen talking
to the reporters and you could just see the pain.
It's disappointing. You know, to beat the champs, you really
(06:15):
the champs. You gotta beat them. I was gonna say,
you really have to play perfectly to be the Chiefs,
don't you. No, I don't know if you have to
play perfect, but you you just they almost did too.
And that's the crazy thing, Like you say you have
to play perfect and you still lose. Think about that.
Did Josh Allen give an interception up? No? Did be
fumbled the football?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Almost did. He almost did, but he got it back,
so he fumbled and recovered it. It wasn't the fumble loss. Meanwhile,
you look at the Commanders, they were due for some turnovers.
Oh yeah, and that's why I wasn't too surprised. And
then when they were talking during the game about the
game and they explained, oh yeah, the Philadelphia Eagles forced
the most forced fumbles in the NFL. I think they
(06:54):
said twenty seven. Their defenseveit man. I got a double
check because twenty seven is a lot of force fumbles. Yeah,
but when they put the ball on the ground three times,
I was like, okay, those are legit punches. Oh yeah,
it couldn't have been could have been worse. And then
as I talked talked about with Greg last week, I
believe it was on Thursday and Friday, he picked the
Commanders to win, and I was thinking, yeah, I don't
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know about that. There's a there's a guy named Saquan
initial SB Saquon Barkley. I just I felt like he
might have a crazy game. He had such a crazy game.
They benched him. They say, yeah, it's over. You know
we're up twenty. You ain't gotta play no more. You
can go sit on the sideline and we're gonna rest
you for our big game when we need you the most.
How stupid our giants are. The Giants feeling right now
(07:38):
for not bringing him back. Not that they would have
made the playoffs or anything. I think they had a
lot more other they had other issues, but letting him go.
And then you see his performance and the Eagles are like, yo,
we have everything we need, we just need a running back.
And now you're seeing them full swing and they win
by twenty plus points and it made it look easy.
I think it's kind of a perfect marriage with Saquan
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and the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah like that. That team is built on running the football.
They don't need to lean on Jalen Hurts as much.
And I think of the four quarterbacks, I think he
was probably the weakest of the four quarterbacks. And Championship weekend,
which isn't saying much because it's Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes
and Jane Danis is the next big thing in the NFL.
But still, you usually expect to have a pretty eight
(08:20):
year quarterback, and I think he's just been asked to
not turn the ball over and hand it off to
Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
How fun would that be?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
God playing it behind an elite offensive line with an
elite defense. They pay lead playmakers.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You know, I don't want to hear no more about
paying players. Trade and d K. John Schnyder just has
to being cheap. Okay, sure, you can make a few moves.
I think Greg and I think almost every show has
gone over the players the Seahawks can cut ties with
that are not game changers. Yeah, okay, no offense. Might
be a guy you can get, you know, hey, man,
we appreciate it, but don't know if you're gonna work
(08:53):
out for us next casualty. Yeah, Draymond Jones, yep. I
think he's a fine player, but what the Seas asked
to do is not working. So that's a lot of
bread that you can free up. And then the last
banal of least, I think a lot of people are
feeling maybe Tyre Lockett right, So right then and there,
if I'm not mistaken, that's about twenty eight million dollars
freed up. Even more. I think it is Tyler Locker
(09:13):
lockets before I go in and do all the math,
because as you guys know, you guys been listening to
this time slot for years. I'm not that good at math,
so we're just gonnaugh roughly estimate.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, it's not even just math. It's like there's weird
like rules about Andrews cut. Someone understand how much it
actually saves you. I'm not a cap guy, Anderson, We're
just gonna leave that math. Okay, we're just gonna leave
it at night. Me and you are both not cap guys.
But when we start adding up the math the numbers,
we get a little lost in the sauce. And that's okay.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Well, let's just say it's twenty eight million dollars. You
can easily go out and use that twenty eight million
dollars to shore up certain aspects of the offensive line.
I think that's the biggest thing. Because I was listening
to Softy and Fame, I think it was two weeks
ago and Jackson they were talking about they're ready to
just be done with Geno, and I'm just like, I
don't know if that's the best idea. You give up,
you give up all that money and now expecting John
(10:00):
to fix it. There have been multiple examples of John
getting bread of a player, whether it be a trade,
they're cutting them and the ROI return an investment on
investment isn't what it's hyped up to be. The best
example would be mister Frank Clark. You guys remember that trade. Yep,
we're not gonna pay this guy one hundred million dollars.
(10:21):
You kidding, meet, We're gonna go draft the guy. We're
gonna do all these different things. And Anderson, you're correct,
the chief. When the super Bowl, Frank Clark plays well,
he is a big part of it, huge part of it,
that big, huge, We're gonna just make that a little
we want to make sure we emphasize the impact that
he had and not that he would help this team
right now, because I think, no, no, no, no, that
is I want I want to make it very clear.
(10:43):
Frank Clark in twenty twenty five, no he is. That's
not his bag anymore. He had a great run and
the Seahawks said, John Snyder said, yeah, buddy, that's not
something we do one hundred million dollars. I can't give
you that bread. But we'll trade you and we'll recoup
that and we'll make our d line better. And that
didn't happen. It's the same conversation we just had about
(11:04):
the Mariners. Right, if you have good players, you want
to keep those good players, right do you hope? So, man,
that's the that's the whole point of this, right, that's
the whole point. Players. I don't want to get rid
of Gino. A lot of you know that. We argue
on the text line quite a bit. So we'll just
we'll skip through that.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
And you could say that you don't want to get
rid of Gena, but also not think that he's like
a top five quarterback.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I know he's not a top five quarterback. I know
he's not a top ten, But when you get to
twelve thirteen, he's right in that discussion, that's what I think.
I think. I know Fame was saying that he believes
Kirk Cousins isn't done. I'm like, fine, I don't know
what you were thinking by saying that, because he's on
one leg. Yeah, and I don't know if he's going
to get better. He ain't young, and he's not a
(11:44):
spring chicken anymore. Nope, And they tried their best, he
wasn't healthy. He's not playing it down again for the
Atlanta Falbers. Yeah, and I don't see that. Look at
the situation. He wasn't in Minnesota and then he leaves
and he's not nearly the same player. I think the
best ball you got out of him was in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Well, I think a lot of it's the situation, right, Yeah,
what happened to Sam Donald pretty terrible, then goes into
that situation all of a sudden it's a Pro Bowl. Yeah, yeah,
So I think it's just more about the situation that
he's in, which that's another thing like we could talk
about with the offense coordinator of the hiring, is how
do you get the most out of him? Because I
think the most likely scenarios that keep Geno. I don't
see them trying to upgrade or they that we've been
(12:23):
wrong before. Yeah, this whole station thought Russ was in
the bag.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
We got res No. Well, actually, I won't say everyone,
but there was a lot of people that didn't believe
that they would make such a big statement, a big trade,
and you know, shocked everyone. March seventeen and twenty twenty three,
was it? Wow? Yeah, and just said, you know, twenty
twenty two. Yeah, Wow, time's flying and traded Russ. So
that's going to be We're gonna have the Geno Watch.
(12:48):
I guess we can call it Geno Watch. Geno Watch.
That is the biggest question, because they've already answered the
OC question. Yeah, got him, Clint Kubiak. And if you're
just now tuning in, it's the Greg Bill Show, Christopher Kidd.
Instead of Greg Bill, we have Anderson Hurst in the building.
So it's what'd you call it? The hype, lightskin hype,
the light skin hype. There we go. Yeah, because the
hype of white was Anderson and Jackson Jackson. It's not
(13:10):
Anderson and Jackson today. So lightskin hype, light skin hype.
There you go. It all works out. It's a name.
But yeah, four nine four or five to one. I'm curious,
you guys, what was more shocking the fact that the
commanders got beat down the way they did or the
fact that the chiefs are on their way for a
three Pete and I do want to get into the
(13:31):
Josh Allen legacy because I think I'll save it for
the next segment. So what we're gonna do next We're
gonna take a little time out here. Can you listen
to The Greg Bell Show with Christopher Kidd on ninety
three point three kJ r FM.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Now back to Greg Bell and Christopher Kidd on your
home for the NFL Playoffs and Super Bowl fifty nine
Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFL touch Down.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Welcome back to the Greg Bells Show with Christopher Kid.
We have Anderson Hurst filling in today. And you guys
all saw the NFL Playoffs, NFC Championship, AFC Championship game.
No I didn't, Chris fill me in what happened? Well,
the Chiefs have done it yet again, no surprise, They're right.
I was so rooting for the Bills. I think a
lot of people were. I mentioned last week that I'm
(14:22):
getting fatigued a little tired of the Chiefs winning. But
I'm also I'm intrigued by greatness and we might be
getting that. If they can win three in a row.
I won't be upset. I really really I won't, because
would you.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, I guess if this wasn't there third in a row,
if they're like third or fourth year, yeah, something like that,
we have a chance.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
To see someone be more dominant than Tom Brady. Yeah, Like,
I know, tom Brady has the longevity because he's won
a thousand of them. But we're talking one, two, three
in a row. You gotta think about it.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
The closest mahomes to Tom Brady. Oh he is knocking
on his door, do you think so?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah? If he wins three in a row, that alone
puts him right there. He's very close. All he needs
to do is win a fourth one, Yeah, because there's
no telling that. Maybe he doesn't win another one, maybe
he stops at four and then okay, he didn't reach Brady,
so Brad so Brady's probably still the goat. But right now,
the way he's playing, you could argue that, how can
(15:22):
he not win eight or nine?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, he's only twenty nine, So that's the thing. At
least six or seven more years at that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
But one thing that Tom Brady was able to do
was avoid taking hits. Yeah, like he didn't. He wasn't
a guy that was going to break out of the
pocket and run down the sideline, but he knew how
to avoid sacks, get the ball out of his hands,
just turn his body certain angles. Hell, give up on
a play, not trying to do too much. It's like, okay,
(15:48):
I'm gonna take a sacre. Let me just get down.
He did that his entire career and he was able
to play till his fifty. Yeah, there's one major injury. Yeah,
and Mahomes not so much. He's had not major injuries.
But you know he was banged him not saying Tom
Brady never got banged up, but that's what separates the two.
Tom Brady was. You know what, Patrick Mahomes should honestly
just call up Brady, not saying that he hasn't already
(16:09):
done this. Maybe he has, but he should honestly take
a page out of his playbook and say, Tom Brady
showed me the way to get down and avoid these
sacks despite having a poor offensive line one year or
mediocre whatever the case may be. That way, I can
play to forty and I can try to top year
seven super Bowls because that would be the key for
Patrick Mahomes. But I do want to get to another quarterback,
(16:30):
and that's Josh Allen because the big discussion probably around
the world is does this loss take a hit to
his legacy. I'm gonna say flat out now now I
don't think it does. And here's why. He just ran
into Patrick Mahomes a year after year. It's almost to
the players that ran into Tom Brady year and year
out when they got to the AFC Championship game, or
(16:50):
if he played for the Bucks, they ran into him,
and that's just his greatness. He is arguably one of
the Tom Brady is the greatest. Patrick Mahomes is one
of degrade knocking on his door. And every year comes
down to that. And as you mentioned it earlier, Anderson,
you almost have to play perfect to beat Patrick Mahomes
and the Chiefs. That's insane. Yeah, I'm gonna disagree with
(17:13):
you here a little bit. And the thing is would
so you do think it hits it hurts his legacy.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I think because if there was a year I think
to beat Mahomes, it would have been this team.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
How do you think people that played against Jordan and
Tom Brady for true and every year they say, oh,
it's our year, and they think, oh, Jordan's gonna have
a bad year, Old Brady's gonna have and it doesn't matter.
No was their greatness. So in ten years, if Josh
Allen only gets one Super Bowl, I'm not gonna hold
it against him, be like, Bro, you went up against
freaking Patrick Mahomes every year.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, but that's that's his legacy. Though everyone's gonna do
that as his legacy is losing to Patrick. And I
can't knock him for that. Patrick's better player, right, it's
not knocking him. But I think if he played in
almost any other era, I guess maybe against Tom Brady
and those guys, but who knows what it have looked,
you would have lost.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But I I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I think he's just that talented of a player and
it sucks that like for him that he happened to
be like he's only one year younger than Patrick.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
But let me spin it this way for you Anderson,
what could he have done differently to give his team
a chance to win? Because that fourth and one, we
both agreed that was a first down, the throw that
he threw up just for that wasn't on him. What
more could he have done? Maybe a two point conversion?
Could It's not even that what he could have done
it Just so that's why I'm even more lean and
(18:27):
saying it's not on him and it doesn't hurt his
legacy because he did everything he could.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
There's a difference between it being his fault that they lost,
his fault. No, No, it's what I'm saying. There's a difference
between it being his fault that he lost and having
it hurt his legacy, because I think it still can
hurt your legacy, but it not not be his fault. Right,
It wasn't his fault. He was one of the best
players on the field, if not the best player last night.
But he's not going to reach the heights that I
think his talent level has and what he probably should be.
(18:53):
Because he plays in the same conference as Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I think one year he can get Mahomes. But again,
it ain't this year. It should have been, honestly should
have been. I think a lot of people are probably
with you, but Mahomes does things. I know they went
fifteen to two or whatever, but there are all close games. Yeah,
they were not Chiefs of the past winning by twenty
points kind of what the Bills did this season. With
a lot of teams, they were blowing them out. Even
the Lions had a good run where they were. I mean,
(19:18):
I remember that factor fiction pick when I went with
the drags plus the points and boy did they show up.
I think it was like you thought that the Lions
weren't for real. Huh. I just thought the Jags could
have a game where everyone plays lights out, backup quarterback
goes in there and they shock the world, and the
Lions like, hey, we have reseat guys, and that's not
what happened. But AnyWho, back to Josh Allen, I just
(19:41):
believe that when you put those two on the line
in a game like that, I thought Josh Allen did
everything he could everything. I don't think there's anything he
could do differently that says, oh, yeah, they win the
game because Josh Allen. And that's where I'm like, you know,
I'm not gonna let it bother your legacy. Same with
Lamar Jackson. It's like, bro, you have it.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Some people don't look like you're looking at Well, that's
logic perspective, and that's fine.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I'll be logical, you can be. I'm not. I'm not
saying you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I'm like, twenty years from now, people are gonna look
back and be like, oh, Josh Allen, Yeah fine, it's
like damn, you know, you know, never.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Won a Super Bowl, but you know, I hope he
wins super Bowl. That's what I think exactly. That's why
I disagree. I think Josh will get one. You think
so yeah, I think he's gonna get one. I think
Lamar's gonna get one. I think Josh is gonna get one. Eventually,
we're handing out super Bowls like op his favorite things
over here. I don't know if if they get If
let's say they win three in a row, right, the
next discussion will be can they win a fourth? At
some point attrition kicks in.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, especially if Travis Kelcey retires, which is a lot
of Well, if they win three in a row, I
think Travis Kelzy probably comes back. You think, so, well,
why not? Why not on top?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Baby? Well, they are on top? But why does he
even get a fourth?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Like?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Double it double it up? Yeah? Go four in thirty six.
That's pretty old for a tight end. It is. But
he's been he's everyone plays with something, so I'm sure
he's banged up, but he's on the field. So the
injury report says he's good to go if he wants to,
and he can, and they can win a fourth one
if they win the third in a row. I really
(21:07):
don't see why he wouldn't return and help Mahomes in
that offense do something really special. They need him because
it's like, yeah, he would be he would be huge
piece to that team.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, a huge piece. Yeah, Any's the greatest tighten of
all time.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah. I mean it's hard to argue with What more
can we say? He's thirty fifty years old out here
still routing folks up. No tell him what he's gonna
do in the Super Bowl. He didn't have an amazing
game yesterday. He didn't need to, but didn't need didn't
need to. Imagine if you had an amazing game, Oh
my gosh, Well, they probably wouldn't buy ten or more points.
But I believe the bill. Well they're also holding. I
mean I don't know. I think there was like there
(21:42):
was three or four calls on Kelsey for holding him. Yeah,
he would have got the ball. Well he didn't get
the ball.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah, Like they couldn't even throw him because he was
being hugged. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
So that's another discussion. I want to ask, how big
of a story do you think the refs were yesterday?
To me, the refs, no, not much. Really, the Bill
Dalton Kink was a ref involved in that one. He
just dropped the ball. The only one you could really
argue is the fourth and one, and we had a discussion.
We thought it was the first Okay, cool, the defense
still got stup on the field and do something. I
(22:15):
know that it's very cliche, very Dug Chris, I know,
but that's just the fact of the matter. The refs
are not going to tilt the game that much. Dalton
Kincaid had an opportunity to make a really crazy catch
to either tie the game or we're talking about something
completely different.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
The Bills are going to win it all. That's we
discussed today. If the Bills had won, if don Kinka
makes that catch, that's where we're going at James Cook
balling out, that's where it discussed. Awesome yesterday he was
I thought they're gonna continue to run the football, But
I get why they didn't. There's a clock element. You know,
how much time can you really can we really run
the football? That would we want to and still throw
(22:53):
it when you're in the league. Yeah, and you're getting
nine yards to carry. Yeah. I think they just get
they want to be aggressive. They knew who they're playing.
You can't be you can't be a little too sweet
knowing that you got one of the greatest number two
of all time back there thirteen seconds a year ago
would happened. Everyone remembers that all they got so mad
they have to change the overtime rules. I was a
(23:14):
couple of years ago. Yeah, okay, you get my point.
Ye was it two years ago? Two years ago, even three?
I don't know. Time just don't work in the same
when you're in radio. I swear it doesn't any who.
They had to change the rules for that guy. Yeah,
so there's no safe bet. I get them being ultra
aggressiment throwing the football and trying to get it down
the field because the Chiefs know you want to run
(23:35):
it and I care. Like you said, they were averaging
nine yards of pop. They were, they were moving it.
They even stop it. I think, what was that The
second to first drive and the second half, they just
ran it, ran it, ran it, ran it, touchdown, loved it.
I said, oh, this is physical football, and I thought, okay,
they might try to do that again. But they also
got to realize we got to be aggressive too. We
(23:56):
got to be aggressive and put that ball in the
air because they got that's what they got Amari Cooper
four for those big time drives third and nine. Who
am I gonna give it to?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
You won't half third nine? If you run the ball
eight yards of carry, you won't have to do that.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
You wouldn't. But in certain scenarios, I thought the Chiefs
when they needed to, they got some pretty big stops. Now,
I don't think the ref though, were a big big
play in this entire game. Yeah, I do think they
missed some calls.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
But as someone kind of tends to root for the
Chiefs a little bit more than root against them, me,
I really, yeah, like more often than not, I don't
care that much. I don't like, I'm not a Chiefs fan.
I'm not like I get it. Like, I don't care
if they don't win the Super Bowl. I mean more
would want the Eagles to lose and the Chiefs to win.
For really, Yeah, I just can't stand the touchbush man.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Oh yeah, back to back to they cannot do that.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, But I think the refs were definitely a bigger
story in the Houston game than they were in this game.
Even though even in the Houston game, the kicker missed
two field goals that would have won the game if
they had done that. So, yes, you can point to
the refs and in big moments they more often than not.
At ten, it seems to like the call see to
go the Chiefs way more often than not in the
big moments. But there you can also point to so
(25:04):
many other moments that like the teams miss opportunities on
Like you said, with the Dalton k and k catch,
you need to come down with that and that that
changed the whole game.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
You're gonna go down and probably score it. It doesn't even
matter what the ref. Dude, Oh we didn't get the
ball back on fourth and one or fourth and inches.
We have Dalton kin kate yea hidd't me exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, when I think about the Xavier Worthy catch that
they call the catch that a lot of people are thinking, well,
you know.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
What, let's table that. You know, we're running a little late,
got it. So when we come back Xavier Worthy, I'm
sure the Bills would love to have him. They had
an opportunity, they said, I we'll trade out.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
True.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Nonetheless, you're listening to the Greg Beill Show, Christopher Kid,
we got Anderson Hurst filling in for Greg. We'll come
back more and we'll talk a little bit about that
game between the Chiefs and the Buffalo Bills next on
ninety three point three KJRFM got Now.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Back to Greg Bell and Christopher Kidd on your home
for the NFL Playoffs and Super Bowl fifty nine. Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFL touch Down.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Welcome back to the Greg Bill Show. Because of a kid,
I got Anderson Hurst filling in helping the brother out. Anderson,
you posed an excellent question. Yeah, why don't you run
that back for our listeners.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So the first thing I want you guys to text
us in your opinions that we talked about last segment
is how much of a factor do you think the
ref's played in last game? In the Chiefs and Bills
game from last night? Texting your thoughts whether you think
it's a big deal. They made every single call with
the Chiefs way, and if they had played a fair game,
then the Bills would have won, or if you think
(26:34):
it made no difference at all, the Chiefs would have won.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Either way, let me know your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
He's nine four or five to one, it's the total
more do text line when it's game time, it is.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yes, sir. Also at eleven three ish, we'll have Luke Johnson,
he covers the Saints for NOLA dot Com, and he'll
give us all the insight on Clint Kubiak, because that's
one thing people want to know, like, who is Clint?
How is he gonna help this Sea offense? We know
what Ryan Grubb was able to do. It didn't work out,
(27:04):
mainly because the offensive line was just not helping in
a lot of scenarios. I mean, what will more come
a man call if the out line cannot block for
two seconds that the old line cannot get guys off
the ball push dudes back. But he did figure out
the counter that was very helpful. The counter was able
to move your guard and tackle different spaces, clearing the
way for Zach Charburney, who had a really good had
(27:26):
a couple of good games when he was a good
second half of the season for sure, because he was
able to get those guards moving, those tackles moving, creating space.
So I'm in the rest of it. Hear what he
has to say and how this Clint Kubiak can help.
But what about you?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Are you surprised about the Clint Kubiak signing for the
offensivecordaated position.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
No, I like it. All Saints didn't have like an
amazing offense last year, So that's another reason. Another question
we can ask, like, Yo, what happened? You guys were
smoking hot? I know injuries played a part in that,
but I'm curious to hear what Luke thinks or he
was front and center he will be to give us
some of those answers to what went wrong, because yeah,
(28:02):
they I think their first two games they were putting.
They had eighty points combined. They were on fire, and
they beat the Cowboys, who coming into the season, you know,
another year, they were the favorite to do something. I
don't know what they were favorite to do. But it
didn't last long because Dak Dak Haskrat Dak Prescott tore
his hamstring off the bone. So when you do stuff
(28:24):
like that, you're done for the year. But yeah, they
looked exciting. And the biggest thing is I want to
see how he's gonna get decay of the football. I
feel like we say that every year about avyoc that's
come in, how you need to decay football, you need
to get debeaivotball. Yeah, I want to see how he's
going to give the ball to Big one four because
there's just too many times while I'm watching games saying, wow,
(28:47):
DK only had three targets today. Huh yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Well, the biggest question I have is his dad, Gary Kubiak.
So Clint Kubiak's dad was a coach the Texans for
the longest time, and I think he's had a couple
other stints. But he's known for his running game. That's fine,
and that's like kind of he is. That's fine an
outside zone guy like you handing the ball off more
often than not.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You know what that means? Yeah, you know that means
understanding if you can run the football, well what the
passing game should be amazing. Yeah, you should be able
to throw DK the ball whenever you want.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Because I'm not saying that like that means that DK
won't get involved. I'm just saying, like, if we're looking
for more of a balance, because we all know that
Ryan Grubb pretty pass heavy, pretty pass heavy guy. Uh,
but how is that gonna work with a pretty subpar
offensive line at least at this point, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Some you can need a good offensive line to run
the ball. You can't just hand it off to ken
Walker and expect them to break three tackles in the backfield.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Wide zone is something that they're strong with. Yep, But
wide zone, what does that mean? You gotta have good
old lineman guys that can get out wide and and move.
And the seahowfs could move forward. The only thing they
could move was on the counterplays where tackles and guards
again are pulling and getting outside. Knocked the microphone all
withy my bed. He was so excited to tell that
a counterplay. It was a really cool play. When they
(29:57):
start running, I was like, this is nice man, it's
working like you're you're getting seven yards of pop. Okay,
just keep doing that. And then teams said, yeah, we
know you want to run a counter bra so you
have to find something else. But you gotta be able
to adjust. And that's that's one thing that Ryan Grubb
tried to do, but it just it wasn't enough and
him and Mike m Ryan Grub and Mike McDonald just
(30:18):
weren't seeing id I I to eye on that, and
that's cool. You know, differences it works out. That's sometimes
how it works. Some guys just don't see how to
eye and you got to move on from that, because yeah,
the seahow're trying to do bigger and bigger and better things.
They they want to be in the super Bowl at
some point. So enough of that. We'll give you more though, because,
as I mentioned, Luke Johnson, he covered the stands for
New Orleans, n O, LA dot com, NOLA dot com,
(30:40):
and he will join us next here again it's the
Greg Bell Show, Christopher Kid, I got Anderson Herst film,
and we'll talk to Luke Johnson next on nineteen point
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