October 2, 2024 • 34 mins
Gregg and Christopher are live as we're one day away from Week 5 in the NFL! The fellas talk about news regarding NIL coming to high school sports in North Carolina, could this be an issue for high school students is there any positivity that can from high school students getting paid... Gregg revisits the reasoning behind Mike Macdonald going for two instead of attempting the extra point against the Detroit Lions. The NCAA is looking to move towards a super college league, but how will this be managed, will the big dogs stay on top no matter what?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I got the furniture out of the way. Good morning, Chris,
Good morning to you, Greg. NBA season starting training.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yeah, I've been cifling through some of the media days.
Draymond's was entertaining just because a reporter didn't ask a
great question. He said, Hey, are your teammates should they
be worried about you? And Draymond's thinking, why would they
be worried about me? He never got to the point
of his question. He should have said, Hey, Draymond, is
there a concern that you're going to continue getting ejected
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and having those same issues you've always had? Is that
something that you've gotten better at or re expecting anything different?
Maybe Draymond would have responded a little differently, but nonetheless, Yeah,
I've been paying attention to that. Haven't watched the Lakers one,
but I did see a clip of Lebron and Bronni
talking and I just said, that's really cool. Lebron's son
has in the league with him and they are doing
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media day as they prepare for another long NBA season
in which the Lakers are probably not going to do anything.
But hey, what am I hearing to play?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Two James boys are can do anything.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I don't think their roster didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I don't see unless Lebron averages fifty a game, which
he's very capable of doing, which is insane to say.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I just don't know what. I don't know much about
this roster.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
It doesn't strike me as a deep playoff team, but
they have a long season.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
We'll see what happens. If Anthony Davis can be a.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Top five player, which is a big if it seems,
then I don't see them doing too much, but should
be a fun season for sure. I'm really excited to
see what the Minnesota Timberwolves are gonna be able to
do now that they made a big trade. That was
kind of shocking to see Karl Anthony Towns make his
way to the New York Knicks. But the Knicks are
also a team that had a really good season last
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year and now you add Carl Anthony Towns.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Okay, this might be something.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So a lot of storylines, a lot of news going
around the NBA. It should be another fantastic year, so
we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
See as soon as I mentioned NBA, there you go.
I saw Steve Kerr saying that everyone's job in Golden
State's up for grabs except Steph Curry.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That's pretty easy, my goodness, one of the best players ever.
That's how it should be.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So yeah, the NBA that we care about, the expansion committee,
that the Border Governy is two years I guess probably now,
leading toward maybe a twenty twenty seven start. The way
this is playing out, Adam Silver's trying to pump the
breaks on people's expectations. How it works. The Border Governors,
which are a group of team owners, form an expansion Committee,
which is another group of team owners, and they review
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the cities that want to bid for new NBA teams.
Adam Silver has tried to pump the breaks on the
expectations of this, but that's where they're headed, and all
signs are that those talks will go fall into winter
that perhaps the league, from what we've been told, could
announce as early as first quarter, first three months of
twenty twenty five the two new cities that they're going
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to expand to to get the thirty two teams, and
the odds remain very high that Seattle and Las Vegas
will get the two new teams that the Sonics will return.
Some indication early on it might be a twenty twenty
six to twenty seven season of Climate Pledge Arena. It
looks like that it's a possibility now that the expansion
teams could begin playing twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And they will not change their name. I know, Ian
gave me a little He gave me a little talking to.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, that was part of the agreement for the settlement
of the trials.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So don't worry, lazies, gentlemen. It will still be the SuperSonics.
It will not be the Seattle I don't know, the Seattles.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Green and Gold, the Sonics. So we're all waiting in
Seattle for that. Headlines bought you by Frostbrewed, Corsli, Choos Chill.
The Seahawks signed Jason Peters to the practice squad about
this time yesterday during our show, twelve and a half
months after they did that the last time. If and
when he gets elevated to the active roster, he began
becomes thefl's oldest player. See Chris talking about NBA.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Jason Peters is the Lebron James of the NFL. Yeah,
he is, just in terms of playing.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Not quite as impactful. He hasn't practiced since the first
week of January. Jason Peters, so nine months on the shelf.
It's gonna be a bit till he's ready for a game.
He of course is known as a former All Pro tackle,
but he has played guard is recently in twenty twenty
two with the Cowboys, so it may not be that
he's just here for tackle, and we know that they
have issues as Seahawks do with both guard and the tackle.
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We'll see how soon Jason Peters can get up to
playing shape. Probably last year it was three plus weeks
he was on the practice squad acclivating until he was
activated for a game. Mentioned that one of three Giants
come to Leeuwinfield Sunday one, twenty five start on Channel
seven here locally CBS broadcast. Malik Neighbors is the big
story back in New York this week. He's in the
league's concussion protocol, but there is hope there in New
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York that because the Giants played last Thursday, the rookie
phenom wide receiver may be able to clear his concussion protocol.
In the ten days the Giants had between their game
and their twenty to fifteen lost the Cowboys and the
game Sunday here in Seattle. Of course, Seattle is a
one game lead on San Francisco atop the NFL See
West through four weeks of the season. The Seahawks and
forty nine Ers play at Luminfield four days after this
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coming game next Thursday Night. Raiders say they'll entertain trade
offers because wide receiver Devonte Adams once won. A lot
of folks are linking the Steelers to winning the trade
for Adams. But no team in the league runs more
than Pittsburgh so far this season. Of course, that maybe
because the Steelers are anyone to throw the ball to.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Hey hey, hey, hey, George Pickens is pretty solid man.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
They got one guy, so every defense schemes to go against.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Pickens, and he's still a problem.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
They still have no other answer being Pickens. No team
in the league has run it more, not as much
as effectively as the Ravens, but no teams want more
times than the Steelers have so far. Jets have also
been linked, possibly to Devonte Adams to team up with
Aaron Rodgers. Maybe the Jets could score more than nine
points if they did that. Week five of the NFL
season begins Tomorrownight Buccaneers at Falcons five point fifteen right
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here on ninety three point three KJRFM the Thursday Night game.
As we talked about on the show yesterday, Gonzaga is
joining the PAC twelve for the twenty two twenty six
academic year. Biggest get yet for Washington State and Oregon
State remaking the conference. The Zags are going to be
in the Remay League and everything but football course, because
they don't have football at Gonzaga. The new Pactrowal still
needs one more football school to reach eight football members
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and that'll give them NCAA viability and qualifications for the
College Football Playoff, the thinking course in the PAC twelve. Now,
the Remay PAC twelve is adding Gonzaga and their basketball
pool in the media rights attractiveness of that could attract
another school that has a football program to be that
eighth football team in the new PAC twelve. Major League
Baseball playoffs began yesterday. The Tigers beat the trash Cans
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in Houston. Like I mentioned in Game one of their
best of three wildcard series, Tigers can eliminate Houston today
with a win or win the marl in Game three
Mets one at Milwaukee to stay hot Kansas City one
at Baltimore, San Diego beat Atlanta Game two and all
the best of threes are today. The crack and play
their final preseason game tonight at Climate Pledgerina in Edmondson.
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Excuse me versus Edmonton and Climate Pledgerina is still in
Seattle as it moved since I was in Detroit. Six
thirty pre game show here on ninety three point three
KJRFM with our guy Mike ment In. Game time is
at seven with the Washington State broadcaster, year Everett Fitch
Hugh right here on ninety three point three KJRFM. And
we're six days away from the season opening in the
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NHL next Tuesday against Saint Louis at Climate Pledge Arena.
Remember that's a Mattine game because of National television one
thirty start next Tuesday. We'll have it of course here
on ninety three point three KJRFM, your home of the Kraken.
We're also the home of the Sounders. They played a
night at Vancouver seven thirty on our sister station nine
to fifty kr AM. Three games left in their regular season,
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the Sounders of clinch yet another playoff spot in the
Western Conference. Already in college football, the Washington Husky's host
Michigan Saturday four thirty at sold out Husky Stadium. It's
a rematch Acurds the last seasons National Championship game. The
two teams are completely different, coaching staffs, everything souped, the
nuts different than they were in January. We cover that
game in Houston. It's gonna be a one thirty pre
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game show here with Dave Softy Maller and the Husky
Hanks for the four thirty kickoff at Husky Stadium. Four
to one. Washington State Cougars have a bye this week,
and Chris, I don't know if you saw this, but
we saw this coming from a modelite, didn't we. A
judge in North Carolina ruled yesterday to permit high school
athletes in that state to earn compensation for then iol
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getting next year. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I saw that and I think it just changes everything.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Because high school it's it's usually depending on the sport,
everyone can play. There's only a few sports basketball, m
I'm trying to think what other Oh maybe golf, no track.
Anybody can play baseball, Okay, I'm saying that everyone is
available to play. Now you get into you know, football, basketball,
where it depends on the school, but a lot of
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football programs they just allow everyone to play, and if
you're not good enough, guess what, you just won't play.
So now this opens up just a ton, just a
lot of drama that's needed for a lot of these teenagers.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So I don't think it's necessary.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Where you get to college, there's really an opportunity for
you to make something of yourself in this regard, where
in high school you're just doing it because you probably
really enjoy it and it's fun. Now it's really become
all right, well, if you're good, you can get paid,
and that I think it's just gonna be really tough
to gauge for high schoolers in my opinioncause when I
was in high school, I had a job, but it
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wasn't to play sports. It was working at a restaurant
as a dishwasher, you know, just a regular job. Because
I understood that I was doing a sport for fun
and if I want to take it serious, I did
have opportunity to get a scholarship and do that at
the next level. And now it's kind of well, if
you have talent and you're really good, you can get paid.
I just think it's gonna be a little messy, but
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maybe I'm wrong and maybe it works out.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
But from looking at it, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Here's a thought. How about their studies and their academics
because you know what's going to happen here. I'm thinking
as a high school coach, now, coach baseball at a
high school level, you need to as an educator and
a coach at high school care number one about the
well being and academic progress of the player. Period and
of story. Stop now you get nil involved, and these
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players are going to get recruited. They're going to get schools,
the pop power programs in these states are going to
recruit players to leave what might be a perfect academic fit.
Or say a player and has special needs or a
learning disability, or his parents, his grandparents, his twin sisters
and brothers all went to that school. Yeah, and now
you're rooting them out of all of that to go
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play football, to get paid a stipend a little bit
of money, which not good.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
It's ridiculous, not good, not good.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
It's a total antithesis to what the mission of a
high school coach needs to be, which has developed people
to be adults, not to make as much money as
soon as you can. Yeah, you got such a small
percentage of high school players to play college sports.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Everyone's so quick to want to be an adult, but
in high school, really really take that time to enjoy
just being the last hourrah of your teenage quote unquote
years before you get into that adult life because it
comes quickly. And I guess the good news is they're
getting a different experience in high school. Of now you
have a chance to get paid. But on the optics,
(11:15):
I'm just not a big fan of it. And to
your point about the education, Now, obviously you can find
loopholes in any school system anywhere across the nation about
maybe a student struggling in the classroom and still being
able to participate going to state playoff games, et cetera,
et cetera. But now with this, I think it'll just
illuminate that situation and make it more of a quote
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unquote problem where a student is struggling in school, but
boys he and athletes, he's going to get paid, but
now he doesn't really learn anything else.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Out that student at that school that's struggling. His guidance
counselor knows his stories, is teacher know them? The parents
know the school, the principal they have, and they may
have a special education program or an IEP that it's
tailored to that's students' needs, and you're gonna rip him
out of all of that structure he may have or
she may have to go somewhere just to pursue academic prowess,
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get some state titles and maybe some bucks on the side.
Where's the kid going to be developing himself as a
young adults A couple couple thousand dollars? But I mean
you could get that working at McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the point I was making
in regards to Yeah, I had a job. I was
working as a dishwasher rapp Pazutos shout out Corey Pazuto
and the fan for allowing me to work there while
I was running track. I still had other responsibilities as
a student. Had to go to track and participate in
that obviously practice, but then also had a nice little
part time job where I'd work a certain few hours
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every week. So I was learning so much more than
just oh, well, Chris, you can run track and get
paid now because you're one of the top fifteen fastest guys.
In the state, which would have been nice. But what
I've really learned as much as I got older, and
where would I be now? So I think it definitely
has its disadvantages. But maybe this all will work out.
That's the whole.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Here's another thing, Chris on my private text line not
four nine, she asked, who's gonna put up the money
for these high school students?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Well, I think now it comes back to car dealers.
I think, yeah, I think that's where that gets into.
Now where I don't I've never thought about this, but
I remember someone texted in last week and said, so,
where does the money for concessions go?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
All that ticket prices? Where does that money go?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
My guess it goes right back into the school to
do a plethora of different things.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
My high school, it was for funding the entire student activities.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Fine, and that would make sense. So I look at
oday as an example, where does all that money go.
I think it goes right back into the school to
get a new stadium that they're looking that they're building
that I think is going to be probably asked coach
call on that, But they're working on that. They're doing
so many other things. And now you look at kids
that are getting paid. Okay, so now that money is
not going back to the school, it's going to the players,
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which okay, that's cool. But I thought you were building
upon making this high school the best it can be
for your students, for your teachers, for everyone there, and
now I think that's going to be looked over, which
could be a problem.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Just glad I'm not raising high school student athletes in
North Carolina right now, but I mean, what's going to
stop another school from doing another state from doing it?
And then they'll point it. It's just a slippery slope
mess and yeah, yeah, I know, get off my line
right well, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I don't think. I don't think that's the yad on.
I mean I would not.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I'm not mad at those that are getting paid in
high school, but I think you're just drawing a very
thin line of responsibilities and being a student athlete. Now
you're being a I don't even know what the word
is because you're still a student. But I think athlete
has just now been magnetized to a new level just
because Okay, you're seventeen, sixteen years old and now you
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can get paid to play a sport and you don't
even really quote unquote need a job because this is
your job now. So it just it gets real dicey, man.
I'll just leave it at that. It gets dicey, and
we'll see how this works out over the next four
to five years.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Some states have resisted it so far.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Well let's see if they continue.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Because so let's see if that continue and individual state.
Georgia has as recently as this summer banned nil high
school money for athletes. They were doing it last year
and then they banned it starting this year. The Athletic
Association in Georgia banned the nil collectives and that was
what it was, collectives like in college third parties. Outside
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the school framework, we're paying athlete at paying fifteen year olds.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Man, I just think you're taking away the innocence of
being a high school student.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
If that makes any sense at.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
All, absolutely does. Coming up next, we're gonna talk about
Mike McDonald going for two down eight late in the
fourth quarter Monday night. We'll discuss its thinking, where it
came from, and how the NFL apparently incorrectly officiated the play.
We'll also talk to Seahawk injuries and where it stands
on this short week. Eleven o'clock, Hugh Millon is gonna
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come on and talk about Geno Smith, talk about how
the Lions discect to the Seahawks defensively, schematically even though
the including with the Seahawks missing six starters. We're talking
a little Washington, Michigan. Eleven thirty five is your chance
to win one thousand dollars on Factor fiction from the
Emerald Queen Casino. All that and more coming up next
on ninety three point three KJRFM. Welcome back, Greg Rests
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Show with Christopher Kid Rolls on here from the Seahawks
Virginia Mason Athletic Center. I'm out here because they're practicing.
They're gonna have a Mike Donald press conference at noon
locker room at twelve point fifteen. Coming up at eleven
Hugh Millen. We'll talk about the Seahawks, how they got
ransacked defensively at Detroit. We'll talk about Geno Smith. We'll
talk about Washington, Michigan. A lot of interest on the
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text line about the subject. Chris and I just spent
a little of time talking about nil in high school sports,
and Chris, there's a lot more to this. We're going
to try to talk to the WIA how about this,
perhaps have him on the show. The detective director makes
pretty good about coming on if we can ask him
about what Washington permits. It's not exactly outlawed. There are
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ways for nil benefits for high school players in Washington.
We'll talk about that. We'll do some more of that tomorrow.
A lot on the text line about that and the
interest of that and four nine four five one. I'm
tell them we'll do text line or be back to
your text eleven thirty.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
The one thing that I talked to you off air
off Wax about was I didn't even mention the fact
that if a student high school student doesn't play a
good game or haws a couple of bad weeks, what
does that look like in college? Okay, I understand how
that works, but for a high school kid, I feel
as if there's more emotion involved into it, you have teammates,
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it's I feel it's just becomes more of an issue
now the more I start thinking about it. It's cool
to get paid, but now you're being treated as pretty
much an employee, and if you're not doing your job,
it's are you able to handle the repercussions of that
as a high schools dudent especially well.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And then are they contracts? What is outlined? What is permitted,
what's not permitted? What's a lot? How do you get
your money? Oh? How about the educator? How about the
academic experience of a young fifteen sixteen year old girl
or boy? How about that? Where does that rank it?
All of this it's already gone away in college, but
that doesn't mean has to go away from the kids
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we're still raising under our own ruse unbelievable four four
to five one, and tell them we do text on
lots more to talk about there, And I said, we're
going to dig in a little bit deeper to people
who are been doing guidelines in this state about nil
trying to get ahead of the wave that's cresting across
high school sports now. Of all things, the Seahawks on
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Monday night got within twenty eight twenty with three minutes
left in the third quarter, and of course, to everyone thinking, oh, okay,
kick the extra point down seven, you're still chasing Seven's
had you been chasing the whole game? No, Mike McDonald's,
we're going for two down eight. It's been last few
years in the NFL, it's been a discussion among the
analytics community, among the old fashions about going for two
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down eight points and why. And the first attempt at
to for the Seahawks to get the twenty eight twenty
two in Detroit, LA, third quarter was a pass to
Gina Smith to DK Metcalf left sideline. Metcalf made a
really nice play to lean away from the defender who
had already pass interfered with him. A flag was on
the field caught the pass from the press box. It
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looked like he was out of bounds. The line judge,
who was actually a fourteen year veteran line judge's refereed
in two Super Bowls. I looked up last night. He
ruled it incomplete. Randy Bains the line judge, and how
it's supposed to happen, And there was some discussion on
the text line about this yesterday. The NFL Rules Rule fifteen,
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Section two Delta D says all tries, all point after
touchdown tries conversion tries are subject to a replay review
initiated by either New York or the booth replay official.
That's per fifteen Article two D. In the NFL rule book.
The rule states only the replay of quote. Only the
replay official or Senior Vice President officiating or his or
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her designate may initiate a review of a two point play.
And that's what Mike McDonald was waiting on. He couldn't
tell because he was forty yards up the field straight
on the same sideline that Metcalf was diving onto, whether
Metcalf had got that first knee and bounds, and so
he in his headset, his coaches upstairs told him the
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booth was reviewing it, and McDonald took that to mean
that the league was reviewing it. Now they have the
system this year where they had the quick review right
where there's the booth review guy, instead of going through
the whole protract that stopping the game and going to
New York. If a quick replay review by the booth official.
Every NFL game has a replay official in the boot
within the stadium, and there was one there the other night,
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Gerald Fry in Detroit, and his he could he has
the power to look at any close play, not even
just a scoring play, and decide whether it needs to
be reviewed or not. The assumption by Mike McDonald was
that's what the process was taking place in Detroit, and
then it didn't happen. So the Seahawks took the offense
or the defensive pass interference penalty. They tried a second
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time a two point play, and then Geno Smith overthrew
Jake Bobo, so they don't get the two points. And
then you see the replays and you say, aha, it
looks like Metcalf may have gotten that first knee in
with his left toe back foot dragon. So in Detroit,
following the game Monday night, McDonald was asked if he
thought Metcalf caught the two point passing bounds, and McDonald said, quote,
looked like it. Initially, it's tough, it's moving fast. And
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then the explanation I got was that they were looking
at it. The booth was looking at it, and they
confirmed that it was incomplete. So that's what happened. That's
what McDonald was told through his headset then Tuesday yesterday
and his weekly Day After Coaches radio show. This is
what McDonald said, quote, what was going through my mind
was we didn't have a clear look at it from
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up top, meaning his guys, and they were getting it reviewed.
They were reviewing it in the booth. In hindsight, you
forced the issue a little more. I guess. So McDonald
has learned, first time head coach, only his fourth career
game as a head coach, the fourth game, with the
red challenge flag in his back pocket, how do you
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force the issue? You throw the challenge flag right then
the officials could either come over and say, well, it's
a two point play, it's all the booth or reviews
are done by the booth, and you are somewhat forcing
the NFL to look at it, or at least give
them more time to than just in the play clock
forty second play clock or the least says okay, you
can challenge this. But either way, that's what McDonald meant
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by in hindsight, you force the issue a little more.
I guess that's a new rookie head coach learning his
way around game mechanics and game situations. Next time he's
going to throw the challenge flag, whether it's supposed to
be reviewed in the booth or in New York or not,
to try to quote in his words, force the issue
a little more. Okay. So now let's go to the
analytics side of why McDonald is even going for two
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in the first place. This is what McDonald said on
his radio show yesterday. Quote, without going through all the numbers,
it does favor going for two. Just play it out
at some point if you get two opportunities to get
a two point conversion about evens out. What's he mean
by that? The NFL, since they instituted of two point
play about ten years ago up until through twenty twenty two.
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According to an ESPN report, last year, forty eight percent
of two point conversions in the NFL were successful. So
that tells McDonald that does roughly a fifty to fifty
chance that you're going to go for two and make it.
So that's what he meant by If you go for
two twice, meaning twenty eight twenty and then if you
score another touchdown, you'd have to go try to be
twenty eight twenty eight. The odds are you're going to
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get one of those two and the game's gonna be tied. Anyway,
That's what the numbers tell you. This is an analytics
way looking at it. McDonald's guy is Brian Airs. He
is a research analyst for the Seahawks, was under Pete
Carroll and when Mike McDonald got here, Chris, he went
to Brian Airs, like the days after he got hired,
and he became Airs became McDonald's analytics guy. And Airs
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is in the press box during games, and he has
already given McDonald charts trends, when to go forward on
fourth and one, when not to, when to go for two,
when to try on side kicks, all kinds of analytics
situations that Airs is up in the press box in
real time reminding or advising McDonald on these situations and
analytics what the analytics say about it. And that's what
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happened on Monday night. So McDonald was saying, well, I
got a fifty percent chance in make him two anyway,
I'm gonna have to go for two twice because I'm
probably gonna get on average one of these two anyway.
McDonald explained on his radio show and in after the
game Monday night to Try that he wanted to win
the game in regulation by late in the third quarter.
He didn't want to keep matching the lines with sevens
and going to a possible overtime. Remember that game didn't
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have any field goals. If you get here's what he
said yesterday quote, if you get to the first one.
Now you need the touchdown with the standard extra point,
and that's the path to win the game in regulation
if you only make one meaning of the possible two
point tries. Now you're looking at go into overtime because
you'd be done twenty eight twenty having to go for two
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again to make a twenty eight twenty eight. And now
you're still at a fifty to fifty proposition about winning
the game, meaning in overtime. The numbers have shown him
that there's fifty percent chance of winning an overtime game.
So that is his thinking analytics driven, and he is
much more reliant on that. Pete Carroll wasn't ignorant of analytics,
but he wasn't employing a full time's analytics guy in
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the press box with a direct line to the coach
during the games. That explains all of it. That explains
the rules. I don't think the NFL reviewed it long enough.
They just looked a cursory look if that and said nope,
incomplete onto the next play. But that explains how that
all occurred.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Monday night, Chris, Oh yeah, I had questions about it,
and I still don't really like it. But whatever, they lost,
so it's not as if it changes anything.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
And well, here's the other thing. You're assuming that the
Seahawks are actually going to stop Detroit from scoring anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
There was just a lot of us like, bruh, how
about you just keep kicking the extra point and then
if you tie the game, if you get to a
point where you could take the lead or tie it, okay,
go for two. But then you would still need your
defense to get a stop. But whatever, I understand why
he did it.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Cool. You didn't get to stop you needed.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
But the reason I spent nine minutes explaining it right
now is to give you the listener a glimpse into
how Mike McDonald thinks yep, and what his approach is
and how he went straight to Brian Eris soon after
he got hired because he wanted that to be that
integral into his game management and game situations. That's different,
but that's what you get with a thirty seven year
old head coach, the youngest in the NFL. Interesting. I
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thought it was when I finally had time to see
straight and not be on one hour of sleep yesterday,
I dived a little more into it, and I found
it very interesting. The origins of all of it, and
also how the NFL was supposed to adjudicate it. And
I also found it interesting that Mike McDonald said that
next time, I'll just throw the challenge flag and forced
the issue a little more. Coming up next, did you
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see the proposed College Football super League, Chris, I have?
All right, we're going to talk about that. It's got
an interesting element that has ties to European football, but
it's half baked. It's not all the way there. They're
almost there with a great idea, but it's not all
the way there. We'll talk about that next. Hugh Mellon's
coming up at eleven eleven thirty five Factor Fiction your
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the telelemordue text line four nine, four to five one.
When it's game time, it's totally time. We'll read back
your tech. A lot of text about nil and high
school sports a new frontier. We'll talk about some of
that at eleven thirty. Speaking of college sports, high school sports,
the proposed college football super league. There was a proposal
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by the sports executives and administrators put out yesterday. The idea,
and this is common, There's going to be a super
league for sure. The way that the haves and have nots,
and the money and the revenues that are going to
get even disparity between the haves and have nots is
about to get gigantic. So the idea is to split
the one hundred and thirty six teams in the Football
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Bowl Subdivision, the top level currently used to be Old
Division one A, into two leagues. The details are that
the top seventy two programs there's mostly the current Power five,
notably also includes Washington State, would compete in the Group
of eight excuse me, a Power twelve conference made up
of a dozen six team geographic based divisions. The remaining
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sixty four football programs, mostly the current Group of five,
which is Mountain West, Army, Navy, the American Athletic Association
Think Memphis, they would compete in a Group of eight conference.
A group of the top teams from the Group of
eight would be eligible for promotion to play up into
the Power twelve the following season. Similar to the structure
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of European soccer leagues. But there would get this, Chris,
that sounds good, right, give an incentive for the outside
of the top power schools to join the Power schools
by succeeding at the lower level. Sounds good. Yet there
would be no relegation among the Power twelve schools. What's
that mean? That means that the Power twelve school the
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ones with all the money, are protecting their resources and
protecting their status as the top league with no chance
of going down. They don't want to agree to well,
if you don't succeed, that you go down while another
team comes up. If there's no relegation, top league is
eventually going to balloon to only the teams that can
afford to stay there. That's the flaw, and that's the
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that's a team the Power twelves, as they're gonna called
protecting themselves while still saying they gave the little guys
a chance. That's that's the problem there. Anyway, listen to
this is there The Power twelve Conference of seventy two
schools would be divided into geographic divisions the East, the Mideast,
the Great Lakes, the Midwest, the Carolina is the mid South,
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the southeast, the South, the plains plains with Colorado, Kansas,
Kansas State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, some of the old
most of the old Big Eight. For instance, this there'll
be a Texas Division, There'll be a Southwest Division of Arizona,
Arizona State, Coles, Stanford, UCLA, and USC and then the
West Power twelve the Power twelfth Conference West Division proposed
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to be BYU Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington and Washington State.
The group of a conference schools the lower sixty four
group of five currently the West Division. There would be
Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego State, San
Jose State, UNLV and Utah State. How does that sound, Chris?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
You like that sounds like a mess. It sounds cool,
but when you dive into it, it just sounds. As
you mentioned, if you're a top team and you got
the bread, you're good. It doesn't matter what happens during
the record during the season. If you have a rough year,
you're good. You are paying big bucks. You get to
stay on top. Whereas if you are a team that
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is on the fringe and you have a really good season,
you may not be accepted. So it's like you win,
if you lose, you lose. It doesn't make sense in
my head, but maybe they can fine tune it so that, yeah,
if you do have a rough year and you're one
of these powerful schools, you don't get to stay up
that top. You have to come down and play at
a lower level because you didn't have a good year.
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That's obviously how it should work. But I understand greed
rules everything, so that probably will not ever happen. But
it's interesting to see that they're trying to make the
super League happen, and it likely will.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Despite tuesday's announcement. The release says that they included in
death specifics on a formal governance and revenue model for
this new college. They're gonna call it the College Student
Football League. The CSFL.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Sounds fun.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
The statement yesterday noted that the league is still quote
a long way from being a realistic and viable proposition.
But the point is this is where the sport's going
to hit. College football is going to go to the
havelves to protect the haves and the have nots, who
will least have a morsel or two at the table
to perhaps fight and scrap for. But this is where
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it's headed. The revenue models and television revenue that goes
to all the SEC and the Big ten schools right
now currently, and it's headed to having their own set
of regulations that the rest of the Division one A
old Division one A. The FBS is not interested in
trying to keep with because they don't have the revenue
sources that the Big ten and the SEC to currently do. Anyway,
lots more to chew on there, but it is food
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for thought to see this is down the road where
the sport is headed. And at least yesterday was an
example of at least a formulation of an idea of
way where it might go. Good news for Cougar fans at
Washington State and we be fans at Oregon States included
in that top echelon in a West division. Coming up next,
Hugh Millen, We're going to talk about what he thought
(34:32):
at Gino Smith, what he thought about his first four weeks.
We can talk about with Ben Johnson Lions offensive coding
it did to the Seahawks on Monday nights. Schematically, we'll
talk to some Washington Michigan as well. Factor Fiction comes
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three point three KJRFM
I got the furniture out of the way. Good morning, Chris,
Good morning to you, Greg. NBA season starting training.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yeah, I've been cifling through some of the media days.
Draymond's was entertaining just because a reporter didn't ask a
great question. He said, Hey, are your teammates should they
be worried about you? And Draymond's thinking, why would they
be worried about me? He never got to the point
of his question. He should have said, Hey, Draymond, is
there a concern that you're going to continue getting ejected
(00:30):
and having those same issues you've always had? Is that
something that you've gotten better at or re expecting anything different?
Maybe Draymond would have responded a little differently, but nonetheless, Yeah,
I've been paying attention to that. Haven't watched the Lakers one,
but I did see a clip of Lebron and Bronni
talking and I just said, that's really cool. Lebron's son
has in the league with him and they are doing
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media day as they prepare for another long NBA season
in which the Lakers are probably not going to do anything.
But hey, what am I hearing to play?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Two James boys are can do anything.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I don't think their roster didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I don't see unless Lebron averages fifty a game, which
he's very capable of doing, which is insane to say.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I just don't know what. I don't know much about
this roster.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
It doesn't strike me as a deep playoff team, but
they have a long season.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
We'll see what happens. If Anthony Davis can be a.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Top five player, which is a big if it seems,
then I don't see them doing too much, but should
be a fun season for sure. I'm really excited to
see what the Minnesota Timberwolves are gonna be able to
do now that they made a big trade. That was
kind of shocking to see Karl Anthony Towns make his
way to the New York Knicks. But the Knicks are
also a team that had a really good season last
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year and now you add Carl Anthony Towns.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Okay, this might be something.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So a lot of storylines, a lot of news going
around the NBA. It should be another fantastic year, so
we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
See as soon as I mentioned NBA, there you go.
I saw Steve Kerr saying that everyone's job in Golden
State's up for grabs except Steph Curry.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That's pretty easy, my goodness, one of the best players ever.
That's how it should be.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So yeah, the NBA that we care about, the expansion committee,
that the Border Governy is two years I guess probably now,
leading toward maybe a twenty twenty seven start. The way
this is playing out, Adam Silver's trying to pump the
breaks on people's expectations. How it works. The Border Governors,
which are a group of team owners, form an expansion Committee,
which is another group of team owners, and they review
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the cities that want to bid for new NBA teams.
Adam Silver has tried to pump the breaks on the
expectations of this, but that's where they're headed, and all
signs are that those talks will go fall into winter
that perhaps the league, from what we've been told, could
announce as early as first quarter, first three months of
twenty twenty five the two new cities that they're going
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to expand to to get the thirty two teams, and
the odds remain very high that Seattle and Las Vegas
will get the two new teams that the Sonics will return.
Some indication early on it might be a twenty twenty
six to twenty seven season of Climate Pledge Arena. It
looks like that it's a possibility now that the expansion
teams could begin playing twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And they will not change their name. I know, Ian
gave me a little He gave me a little talking to.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, that was part of the agreement for the settlement
of the trials.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So don't worry, lazies, gentlemen. It will still be the SuperSonics.
It will not be the Seattle I don't know, the Seattles.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Green and Gold, the Sonics. So we're all waiting in
Seattle for that. Headlines bought you by Frostbrewed, Corsli, Choos Chill.
The Seahawks signed Jason Peters to the practice squad about
this time yesterday during our show, twelve and a half
months after they did that the last time. If and
when he gets elevated to the active roster, he began
becomes thefl's oldest player. See Chris talking about NBA.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Jason Peters is the Lebron James of the NFL. Yeah,
he is, just in terms of playing.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Not quite as impactful. He hasn't practiced since the first
week of January. Jason Peters, so nine months on the shelf.
It's gonna be a bit till he's ready for a game.
He of course is known as a former All Pro tackle,
but he has played guard is recently in twenty twenty
two with the Cowboys, so it may not be that
he's just here for tackle, and we know that they
have issues as Seahawks do with both guard and the tackle.
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We'll see how soon Jason Peters can get up to
playing shape. Probably last year it was three plus weeks
he was on the practice squad acclivating until he was
activated for a game. Mentioned that one of three Giants
come to Leeuwinfield Sunday one, twenty five start on Channel
seven here locally CBS broadcast. Malik Neighbors is the big
story back in New York this week. He's in the
league's concussion protocol, but there is hope there in New
(04:42):
York that because the Giants played last Thursday, the rookie
phenom wide receiver may be able to clear his concussion protocol.
In the ten days the Giants had between their game
and their twenty to fifteen lost the Cowboys and the
game Sunday here in Seattle. Of course, Seattle is a
one game lead on San Francisco atop the NFL See
West through four weeks of the season. The Seahawks and
forty nine Ers play at Luminfield four days after this
(05:05):
coming game next Thursday Night. Raiders say they'll entertain trade
offers because wide receiver Devonte Adams once won. A lot
of folks are linking the Steelers to winning the trade
for Adams. But no team in the league runs more
than Pittsburgh so far this season. Of course, that maybe
because the Steelers are anyone to throw the ball to.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Hey hey, hey, hey, George Pickens is pretty solid man.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
They got one guy, so every defense schemes to go against.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Pickens, and he's still a problem.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
They still have no other answer being Pickens. No team
in the league has run it more, not as much
as effectively as the Ravens, but no teams want more
times than the Steelers have so far. Jets have also
been linked, possibly to Devonte Adams to team up with
Aaron Rodgers. Maybe the Jets could score more than nine
points if they did that. Week five of the NFL
season begins Tomorrownight Buccaneers at Falcons five point fifteen right
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here on ninety three point three KJRFM the Thursday Night game.
As we talked about on the show yesterday, Gonzaga is
joining the PAC twelve for the twenty two twenty six
academic year. Biggest get yet for Washington State and Oregon
State remaking the conference. The Zags are going to be
in the Remay League and everything but football course, because
they don't have football at Gonzaga. The new Pactrowal still
needs one more football school to reach eight football members
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and that'll give them NCAA viability and qualifications for the
College Football Playoff, the thinking course in the PAC twelve. Now,
the Remay PAC twelve is adding Gonzaga and their basketball
pool in the media rights attractiveness of that could attract
another school that has a football program to be that
eighth football team in the new PAC twelve. Major League
Baseball playoffs began yesterday. The Tigers beat the trash Cans
(06:35):
in Houston. Like I mentioned in Game one of their
best of three wildcard series, Tigers can eliminate Houston today
with a win or win the marl in Game three
Mets one at Milwaukee to stay hot Kansas City one
at Baltimore, San Diego beat Atlanta Game two and all
the best of threes are today. The crack and play
their final preseason game tonight at Climate Pledgerina in Edmondson.
(06:57):
Excuse me versus Edmonton and Climate Pledgerina is still in
Seattle as it moved since I was in Detroit. Six
thirty pre game show here on ninety three point three
KJRFM with our guy Mike ment In. Game time is
at seven with the Washington State broadcaster, year Everett Fitch
Hugh right here on ninety three point three KJRFM. And
we're six days away from the season opening in the
(07:17):
NHL next Tuesday against Saint Louis at Climate Pledge Arena.
Remember that's a Mattine game because of National television one
thirty start next Tuesday. We'll have it of course here
on ninety three point three KJRFM, your home of the Kraken.
We're also the home of the Sounders. They played a
night at Vancouver seven thirty on our sister station nine
to fifty kr AM. Three games left in their regular season,
(07:38):
the Sounders of clinch yet another playoff spot in the
Western Conference. Already in college football, the Washington Husky's host
Michigan Saturday four thirty at sold out Husky Stadium. It's
a rematch Acurds the last seasons National Championship game. The
two teams are completely different, coaching staffs, everything souped, the
nuts different than they were in January. We cover that
game in Houston. It's gonna be a one thirty pre
(08:00):
game show here with Dave Softy Maller and the Husky
Hanks for the four thirty kickoff at Husky Stadium. Four
to one. Washington State Cougars have a bye this week,
and Chris, I don't know if you saw this, but
we saw this coming from a modelite, didn't we. A
judge in North Carolina ruled yesterday to permit high school
athletes in that state to earn compensation for then iol
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getting next year. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I saw that and I think it just changes everything.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Because high school it's it's usually depending on the sport,
everyone can play. There's only a few sports basketball, m
I'm trying to think what other Oh maybe golf, no track.
Anybody can play baseball, Okay, I'm saying that everyone is
available to play. Now you get into you know, football, basketball,
where it depends on the school, but a lot of
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football programs they just allow everyone to play, and if
you're not good enough, guess what, you just won't play.
So now this opens up just a ton, just a
lot of drama that's needed for a lot of these teenagers.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So I don't think it's necessary.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Where you get to college, there's really an opportunity for
you to make something of yourself in this regard, where
in high school you're just doing it because you probably
really enjoy it and it's fun. Now it's really become
all right, well, if you're good, you can get paid,
and that I think it's just gonna be really tough
to gauge for high schoolers in my opinioncause when I
was in high school, I had a job, but it
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wasn't to play sports. It was working at a restaurant
as a dishwasher, you know, just a regular job. Because
I understood that I was doing a sport for fun
and if I want to take it serious, I did
have opportunity to get a scholarship and do that at
the next level. And now it's kind of well, if
you have talent and you're really good, you can get paid.
I just think it's gonna be a little messy, but
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maybe I'm wrong and maybe it works out.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
But from looking at it, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Here's a thought. How about their studies and their academics
because you know what's going to happen here. I'm thinking
as a high school coach, now, coach baseball at a
high school level, you need to as an educator and
a coach at high school care number one about the
well being and academic progress of the player. Period and
of story. Stop now you get nil involved, and these
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players are going to get recruited. They're going to get schools,
the pop power programs in these states are going to
recruit players to leave what might be a perfect academic fit.
Or say a player and has special needs or a
learning disability, or his parents, his grandparents, his twin sisters
and brothers all went to that school. Yeah, and now
you're rooting them out of all of that to go
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play football, to get paid a stipend a little bit
of money, which not good.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
It's ridiculous, not good, not good.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
It's a total antithesis to what the mission of a
high school coach needs to be, which has developed people
to be adults, not to make as much money as
soon as you can. Yeah, you got such a small
percentage of high school players to play college sports.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Everyone's so quick to want to be an adult, but
in high school, really really take that time to enjoy
just being the last hourrah of your teenage quote unquote
years before you get into that adult life because it
comes quickly. And I guess the good news is they're
getting a different experience in high school. Of now you
have a chance to get paid. But on the optics,
(11:15):
I'm just not a big fan of it. And to
your point about the education, Now, obviously you can find
loopholes in any school system anywhere across the nation about
maybe a student struggling in the classroom and still being
able to participate going to state playoff games, et cetera,
et cetera. But now with this, I think it'll just
illuminate that situation and make it more of a quote
(11:38):
unquote problem where a student is struggling in school, but
boys he and athletes, he's going to get paid, but
now he doesn't really learn anything else.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Out that student at that school that's struggling. His guidance
counselor knows his stories, is teacher know them? The parents
know the school, the principal they have, and they may
have a special education program or an IEP that it's
tailored to that's students' needs, and you're gonna rip him
out of all of that structure he may have or
she may have to go somewhere just to pursue academic prowess,
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get some state titles and maybe some bucks on the side.
Where's the kid going to be developing himself as a
young adults A couple couple thousand dollars? But I mean
you could get that working at McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the point I was making
in regards to Yeah, I had a job. I was
working as a dishwasher rapp Pazutos shout out Corey Pazuto
and the fan for allowing me to work there while
I was running track. I still had other responsibilities as
a student. Had to go to track and participate in
that obviously practice, but then also had a nice little
part time job where I'd work a certain few hours
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every week. So I was learning so much more than
just oh, well, Chris, you can run track and get
paid now because you're one of the top fifteen fastest guys.
In the state, which would have been nice. But what
I've really learned as much as I got older, and
where would I be now? So I think it definitely
has its disadvantages. But maybe this all will work out.
That's the whole.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Here's another thing, Chris on my private text line not
four nine, she asked, who's gonna put up the money
for these high school students?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Well, I think now it comes back to car dealers.
I think, yeah, I think that's where that gets into.
Now where I don't I've never thought about this, but
I remember someone texted in last week and said, so,
where does the money for concessions go?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
All that ticket prices? Where does that money go?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
My guess it goes right back into the school to
do a plethora of different things.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
My high school, it was for funding the entire student activities.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Fine, and that would make sense. So I look at
oday as an example, where does all that money go.
I think it goes right back into the school to
get a new stadium that they're looking that they're building
that I think is going to be probably asked coach
call on that, But they're working on that. They're doing
so many other things. And now you look at kids
that are getting paid. Okay, so now that money is
not going back to the school, it's going to the players,
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which okay, that's cool. But I thought you were building
upon making this high school the best it can be
for your students, for your teachers, for everyone there, and
now I think that's going to be looked over, which
could be a problem.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Just glad I'm not raising high school student athletes in
North Carolina right now, but I mean, what's going to
stop another school from doing another state from doing it?
And then they'll point it. It's just a slippery slope
mess and yeah, yeah, I know, get off my line
right well, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I don't think. I don't think that's the yad on.
I mean I would not.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I'm not mad at those that are getting paid in
high school, but I think you're just drawing a very
thin line of responsibilities and being a student athlete. Now
you're being a I don't even know what the word
is because you're still a student. But I think athlete
has just now been magnetized to a new level just
because Okay, you're seventeen, sixteen years old and now you
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can get paid to play a sport and you don't
even really quote unquote need a job because this is
your job now. So it just it gets real dicey, man.
I'll just leave it at that. It gets dicey, and
we'll see how this works out over the next four
to five years.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Some states have resisted it so far.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Well let's see if they continue.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Because so let's see if that continue and individual state.
Georgia has as recently as this summer banned nil high
school money for athletes. They were doing it last year
and then they banned it starting this year. The Athletic
Association in Georgia banned the nil collectives and that was
what it was, collectives like in college third parties. Outside
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the school framework, we're paying athlete at paying fifteen year olds.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Man, I just think you're taking away the innocence of
being a high school student.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
If that makes any sense at.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
All, absolutely does. Coming up next, we're gonna talk about
Mike McDonald going for two down eight late in the
fourth quarter Monday night. We'll discuss its thinking, where it
came from, and how the NFL apparently incorrectly officiated the play.
We'll also talk to Seahawk injuries and where it stands
on this short week. Eleven o'clock, Hugh Millon is gonna
(15:56):
come on and talk about Geno Smith, talk about how
the Lions discect to the Seahawks defensively, schematically even though
the including with the Seahawks missing six starters. We're talking
a little Washington, Michigan. Eleven thirty five is your chance
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on ninety three point three KJRFM. Welcome back, Greg Rests
(16:29):
Show with Christopher Kid Rolls on here from the Seahawks
Virginia Mason Athletic Center. I'm out here because they're practicing.
They're gonna have a Mike Donald press conference at noon
locker room at twelve point fifteen. Coming up at eleven
Hugh Millen. We'll talk about the Seahawks, how they got
ransacked defensively at Detroit. We'll talk about Geno Smith. We'll
talk about Washington, Michigan. A lot of interest on the
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text line about the subject. Chris and I just spent
a little of time talking about nil in high school sports,
and Chris, there's a lot more to this. We're going
to try to talk to the WIA how about this,
perhaps have him on the show. The detective director makes
pretty good about coming on if we can ask him
about what Washington permits. It's not exactly outlawed. There are
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ways for nil benefits for high school players in Washington.
We'll talk about that. We'll do some more of that tomorrow.
A lot on the text line about that and the
interest of that and four nine four five one. I'm
tell them we'll do text line or be back to
your text eleven thirty.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
The one thing that I talked to you off air
off Wax about was I didn't even mention the fact
that if a student high school student doesn't play a
good game or haws a couple of bad weeks, what
does that look like in college? Okay, I understand how
that works, but for a high school kid, I feel
as if there's more emotion involved into it, you have teammates,
(17:49):
it's I feel it's just becomes more of an issue
now the more I start thinking about it. It's cool
to get paid, but now you're being treated as pretty
much an employee, and if you're not doing your job,
it's are you able to handle the repercussions of that
as a high schools dudent especially well.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And then are they contracts? What is outlined? What is permitted,
what's not permitted? What's a lot? How do you get
your money? Oh? How about the educator? How about the
academic experience of a young fifteen sixteen year old girl
or boy? How about that? Where does that rank it?
All of this it's already gone away in college, but
that doesn't mean has to go away from the kids
(18:28):
we're still raising under our own ruse unbelievable four four
to five one, and tell them we do text on
lots more to talk about there, And I said, we're
going to dig in a little bit deeper to people
who are been doing guidelines in this state about nil
trying to get ahead of the wave that's cresting across
high school sports now. Of all things, the Seahawks on
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Monday night got within twenty eight twenty with three minutes
left in the third quarter, and of course, to everyone thinking, oh, okay,
kick the extra point down seven, you're still chasing Seven's
had you been chasing the whole game? No, Mike McDonald's,
we're going for two down eight. It's been last few
years in the NFL, it's been a discussion among the
analytics community, among the old fashions about going for two
(19:13):
down eight points and why. And the first attempt at
to for the Seahawks to get the twenty eight twenty
two in Detroit, LA, third quarter was a pass to
Gina Smith to DK Metcalf left sideline. Metcalf made a
really nice play to lean away from the defender who
had already pass interfered with him. A flag was on
the field caught the pass from the press box. It
(19:35):
looked like he was out of bounds. The line judge,
who was actually a fourteen year veteran line judge's refereed
in two Super Bowls. I looked up last night. He
ruled it incomplete. Randy Bains the line judge, and how
it's supposed to happen, And there was some discussion on
the text line about this yesterday. The NFL Rules Rule fifteen,
(19:58):
Section two Delta D says all tries, all point after
touchdown tries conversion tries are subject to a replay review
initiated by either New York or the booth replay official.
That's per fifteen Article two D. In the NFL rule book.
The rule states only the replay of quote. Only the
replay official or Senior Vice President officiating or his or
(20:20):
her designate may initiate a review of a two point play.
And that's what Mike McDonald was waiting on. He couldn't
tell because he was forty yards up the field straight
on the same sideline that Metcalf was diving onto, whether
Metcalf had got that first knee and bounds, and so
he in his headset, his coaches upstairs told him the
(20:40):
booth was reviewing it, and McDonald took that to mean
that the league was reviewing it. Now they have the
system this year where they had the quick review right
where there's the booth review guy, instead of going through
the whole protract that stopping the game and going to
New York. If a quick replay review by the booth official.
Every NFL game has a replay official in the boot
within the stadium, and there was one there the other night,
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Gerald Fry in Detroit, and his he could he has
the power to look at any close play, not even
just a scoring play, and decide whether it needs to
be reviewed or not. The assumption by Mike McDonald was
that's what the process was taking place in Detroit, and
then it didn't happen. So the Seahawks took the offense
or the defensive pass interference penalty. They tried a second
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time a two point play, and then Geno Smith overthrew
Jake Bobo, so they don't get the two points. And
then you see the replays and you say, aha, it
looks like Metcalf may have gotten that first knee in
with his left toe back foot dragon. So in Detroit,
following the game Monday night, McDonald was asked if he
thought Metcalf caught the two point passing bounds, and McDonald said, quote,
looked like it. Initially, it's tough, it's moving fast. And
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then the explanation I got was that they were looking
at it. The booth was looking at it, and they
confirmed that it was incomplete. So that's what happened. That's
what McDonald was told through his headset then Tuesday yesterday
and his weekly Day After Coaches radio show. This is
what McDonald said, quote, what was going through my mind
was we didn't have a clear look at it from
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up top, meaning his guys, and they were getting it reviewed.
They were reviewing it in the booth. In hindsight, you
forced the issue a little more. I guess. So McDonald
has learned, first time head coach, only his fourth career
game as a head coach, the fourth game, with the
red challenge flag in his back pocket, how do you
(22:27):
force the issue? You throw the challenge flag right then
the officials could either come over and say, well, it's
a two point play, it's all the booth or reviews
are done by the booth, and you are somewhat forcing
the NFL to look at it, or at least give
them more time to than just in the play clock
forty second play clock or the least says okay, you
can challenge this. But either way, that's what McDonald meant
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by in hindsight, you force the issue a little more.
I guess that's a new rookie head coach learning his
way around game mechanics and game situations. Next time he's
going to throw the challenge flag, whether it's supposed to
be reviewed in the booth or in New York or not,
to try to quote in his words, force the issue
a little more. Okay. So now let's go to the
analytics side of why McDonald is even going for two
(23:13):
in the first place. This is what McDonald said on
his radio show yesterday. Quote, without going through all the numbers,
it does favor going for two. Just play it out
at some point if you get two opportunities to get
a two point conversion about evens out. What's he mean
by that? The NFL, since they instituted of two point
play about ten years ago up until through twenty twenty two.
(23:35):
According to an ESPN report, last year, forty eight percent
of two point conversions in the NFL were successful. So
that tells McDonald that does roughly a fifty to fifty
chance that you're going to go for two and make it.
So that's what he meant by If you go for
two twice, meaning twenty eight twenty and then if you
score another touchdown, you'd have to go try to be
twenty eight twenty eight. The odds are you're going to
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get one of those two and the game's gonna be tied. Anyway,
That's what the numbers tell you. This is an analytics
way looking at it. McDonald's guy is Brian Airs. He
is a research analyst for the Seahawks, was under Pete
Carroll and when Mike McDonald got here, Chris, he went
to Brian Airs, like the days after he got hired,
and he became Airs became McDonald's analytics guy. And Airs
(24:23):
is in the press box during games, and he has
already given McDonald charts trends, when to go forward on
fourth and one, when not to, when to go for two,
when to try on side kicks, all kinds of analytics
situations that Airs is up in the press box in
real time reminding or advising McDonald on these situations and
analytics what the analytics say about it. And that's what
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happened on Monday night. So McDonald was saying, well, I
got a fifty percent chance in make him two anyway,
I'm gonna have to go for two twice because I'm
probably gonna get on average one of these two anyway.
McDonald explained on his radio show and in after the
game Monday night to Try that he wanted to win
the game in regulation by late in the third quarter.
He didn't want to keep matching the lines with sevens
and going to a possible overtime. Remember that game didn't
(25:08):
have any field goals. If you get here's what he
said yesterday quote, if you get to the first one.
Now you need the touchdown with the standard extra point,
and that's the path to win the game in regulation
if you only make one meaning of the possible two
point tries. Now you're looking at go into overtime because
you'd be done twenty eight twenty having to go for two
(25:29):
again to make a twenty eight twenty eight. And now
you're still at a fifty to fifty proposition about winning
the game, meaning in overtime. The numbers have shown him
that there's fifty percent chance of winning an overtime game.
So that is his thinking analytics driven, and he is
much more reliant on that. Pete Carroll wasn't ignorant of analytics,
but he wasn't employing a full time's analytics guy in
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the press box with a direct line to the coach
during the games. That explains all of it. That explains
the rules. I don't think the NFL reviewed it long enough.
They just looked a cursory look if that and said nope,
incomplete onto the next play. But that explains how that
all occurred.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Monday night, Chris, Oh yeah, I had questions about it,
and I still don't really like it. But whatever, they lost,
so it's not as if it changes anything.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
And well, here's the other thing. You're assuming that the
Seahawks are actually going to stop Detroit from scoring anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
There was just a lot of us like, bruh, how
about you just keep kicking the extra point and then
if you tie the game, if you get to a
point where you could take the lead or tie it, okay,
go for two. But then you would still need your
defense to get a stop. But whatever, I understand why
he did it.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Cool. You didn't get to stop you needed.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
But the reason I spent nine minutes explaining it right
now is to give you the listener a glimpse into
how Mike McDonald thinks yep, and what his approach is
and how he went straight to Brian Eris soon after
he got hired because he wanted that to be that
integral into his game management and game situations. That's different,
but that's what you get with a thirty seven year
old head coach, the youngest in the NFL. Interesting. I
(27:06):
thought it was when I finally had time to see
straight and not be on one hour of sleep yesterday,
I dived a little more into it, and I found
it very interesting. The origins of all of it, and
also how the NFL was supposed to adjudicate it. And
I also found it interesting that Mike McDonald said that
next time, I'll just throw the challenge flag and forced
the issue a little more. Coming up next, did you
(27:29):
see the proposed College Football super League, Chris, I have?
All right, we're going to talk about that. It's got
an interesting element that has ties to European football, but
it's half baked. It's not all the way there. They're
almost there with a great idea, but it's not all
the way there. We'll talk about that next. Hugh Mellon's
coming up at eleven eleven thirty five Factor Fiction your
chance to win one thousand dollars from the Emerald Queen Casino,
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(28:10):
Show with Christopher get entering its jazz portion. I'm at
the Seahawks headquarters in rent in the Virginia Mason Athletic Center,
where the Seahawks are reviing for preparations already for the
Giants coming in here one in three New York against
three and one Seattle at Womenfield on Sunday one, twenty
five pm. It's Channel seven locally. We'll talk to Hugh
Milton at eleven o'clock about the Seahawks, about Gino Smith,
(28:33):
who leads the NFL in Pyrd's passing and is completing
seventy three percent of his throws to four games. That's
even better than when he led the league a couple
of years ago at sixty nine. Seventy percent's nine point eight.
We'll talk to you at eleven o'clock, as we always
do on Wednesday. Factor Fiction comes up at eleven thirty five.
Your chance to win one thousand dollars from the Emerald
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the telelemordue text line four nine, four to five one.
When it's game time, it's totally time. We'll read back
your tech. A lot of text about nil and high
school sports a new frontier. We'll talk about some of
that at eleven thirty. Speaking of college sports, high school sports,
the proposed college football super league. There was a proposal
(29:17):
by the sports executives and administrators put out yesterday. The idea,
and this is common, There's going to be a super
league for sure. The way that the haves and have nots,
and the money and the revenues that are going to
get even disparity between the haves and have nots is
about to get gigantic. So the idea is to split
the one hundred and thirty six teams in the Football
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Bowl Subdivision, the top level currently used to be Old
Division one A, into two leagues. The details are that
the top seventy two programs there's mostly the current Power five,
notably also includes Washington State, would compete in the Group
of eight excuse me, a Power twelve conference made up
of a dozen six team geographic based divisions. The remaining
(30:02):
sixty four football programs, mostly the current Group of five,
which is Mountain West, Army, Navy, the American Athletic Association
Think Memphis, they would compete in a Group of eight conference.
A group of the top teams from the Group of
eight would be eligible for promotion to play up into
the Power twelve the following season. Similar to the structure
(30:23):
of European soccer leagues. But there would get this, Chris,
that sounds good, right, give an incentive for the outside
of the top power schools to join the Power schools
by succeeding at the lower level. Sounds good. Yet there
would be no relegation among the Power twelve schools. What's
that mean? That means that the Power twelve school the
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ones with all the money, are protecting their resources and
protecting their status as the top league with no chance
of going down. They don't want to agree to well,
if you don't succeed, that you go down while another
team comes up. If there's no relegation, top league is
eventually going to balloon to only the teams that can
afford to stay there. That's the flaw, and that's the
(31:08):
that's a team the Power twelves, as they're gonna called
protecting themselves while still saying they gave the little guys
a chance. That's that's the problem there. Anyway, listen to
this is there The Power twelve Conference of seventy two
schools would be divided into geographic divisions the East, the Mideast,
the Great Lakes, the Midwest, the Carolina is the mid South,
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the southeast, the South, the plains plains with Colorado, Kansas,
Kansas State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, some of the old
most of the old Big Eight. For instance, this there'll
be a Texas Division, There'll be a Southwest Division of Arizona,
Arizona State, Coles, Stanford, UCLA, and USC and then the
West Power twelve the Power twelfth Conference West Division proposed
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to be BYU Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington and Washington State.
The group of a conference schools the lower sixty four
group of five currently the West Division. There would be
Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego State, San
Jose State, UNLV and Utah State. How does that sound, Chris?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
You like that sounds like a mess. It sounds cool,
but when you dive into it, it just sounds. As
you mentioned, if you're a top team and you got
the bread, you're good. It doesn't matter what happens during
the record during the season. If you have a rough year,
you're good. You are paying big bucks. You get to
stay on top. Whereas if you are a team that
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is on the fringe and you have a really good season,
you may not be accepted. So it's like you win,
if you lose, you lose. It doesn't make sense in
my head, but maybe they can fine tune it so that, yeah,
if you do have a rough year and you're one
of these powerful schools, you don't get to stay up
that top. You have to come down and play at
a lower level because you didn't have a good year.
(32:58):
That's obviously how it should work. But I understand greed
rules everything, so that probably will not ever happen. But
it's interesting to see that they're trying to make the
super League happen, and it likely will.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Despite tuesday's announcement. The release says that they included in
death specifics on a formal governance and revenue model for
this new college. They're gonna call it the College Student
Football League. The CSFL.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Sounds fun.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
The statement yesterday noted that the league is still quote
a long way from being a realistic and viable proposition.
But the point is this is where the sport's going
to hit. College football is going to go to the
havelves to protect the haves and the have nots, who
will least have a morsel or two at the table
to perhaps fight and scrap for. But this is where
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it's headed. The revenue models and television revenue that goes
to all the SEC and the Big ten schools right
now currently, and it's headed to having their own set
of regulations that the rest of the Division one A
old Division one A. The FBS is not interested in
trying to keep with because they don't have the revenue
sources that the Big ten and the SEC to currently do. Anyway,
lots more to chew on there, but it is food
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for thought to see this is down the road where
the sport is headed. And at least yesterday was an
example of at least a formulation of an idea of
way where it might go. Good news for Cougar fans at
Washington State and we be fans at Oregon States included
in that top echelon in a West division. Coming up next,
Hugh Millen, We're going to talk about what he thought
(34:32):
at Gino Smith, what he thought about his first four weeks.
We can talk about with Ben Johnson Lions offensive coding
it did to the Seahawks on Monday nights. Schematically, we'll
talk to some Washington Michigan as well. Factor Fiction comes
up at eleven thirty five, brought to you by the
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