December 18, 2024 • 35 mins
Hugh Millen is back for his weekly visit to talk about the news of Kirk Cousins being benched for rookie QB Michael Penix Jr., should the Seahawks use more play action against the Minnesota Vikings, and much more. Gregg and Christopher hit the text line and read back messages from listeners, and close the show with Ian Furness as he shares what he has planned for his show.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hi, Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Greg Bell's show with Christopher Kid rolls on here for
the second hour on ninety three point three KJRFM. Hugh
Millen he just heard they're disgusted after the Seahawks lost
to the Packers. Will join us as he does every
Wednesday at eleven o'clock, right after quick Headlines busted by
Frostbrewed Corslight Choose Chill. Seahawks practice today just after one o'clock.
I'm gonna be watching and see if Gino Smith is
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out there as he usually is, see if the knee injury.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Is gonna allow him to practice.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Coach Mike McDonald thinks it will, and that he'll take
most of the first team reps, and that he thinks
he will play Sunday when the Seahawks play the Vikings
at Loumenfield. I'll also be watching see if Kenneth Walker
comes back from his calf injury, but McDonald said that
he hoped that would be the case here on Wednesday.
He hasn't missed the last two games with that calf injury.
Got it in the winner of the Jets December first.
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The Falcons have announced that Michael Pennigs Junior from the
University of Washington Heisman Trophy runner up last year for
a national championship final team is It's a new starting
quarterback for Atlanta, replacing struggling Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Struggling to a mild term for Cousins.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Right now, Atlanta's using the week of playing the two
and twelve Giants for Pennix to debut the eighth overall
pick in this year's draft from the Washington Huskies. It's
going to try to lead the Falcons back from a
game down with three games left in the NFC South.
There're seven and seven, the Bucks are eight and six.
It would be I'm going to ask you, but I
think that'd be one of the most remarkable pulloffs of
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a rookie quarterback in NFL history, to lead them from
the scout team to the playoffs in a three week push.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Cracking highlights. We'd play them, but there aren't any.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Last night they lost three nothing at home to Ottawa
in the four game homestand at Climate Pledge Arena. That
one step forward, one step back continues for the crack
In their fifteen sixteen and one back under five hundred.
They head out on a four game road till that
begins Tomorrow night at Chicago. The Cubs traded former league
MVP Cody Bellinger to the Yankees as New York tiz
to resaw its offense, with Juan Soto gone to the
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met Former NFL quarterback Michael Vick is taking the head
coaching job at Norfolk State. The Bucks won the NBA
Cup in season tournament. The NBA's changed in the All
Star game format, the fourteens of eight guys playing game
pickup games basically to forty points with the winner. Ivy
League voted to send its regular season champion to the
FCS playoffs for the first time. We told you yesterday
(02:20):
John Mattier was transferring from Washington State. The quarterback now
the coaches too. Jake Dickard is officially going to be
announced today as the Wake Forest head coach, two days
after the Demon Deacons job came open. And college football
remains broken beyond repair. It seems everything except the product
on the field, everything else around it is a mess.
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Joining us now as he does every Wednesday at eleven o'clock,
Hugh Millan.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
You, good morning, Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, good to be with you, guys.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
First time to get your reaction to Michael Pennix and
the TESK. You've been in the NFL. You were a
rookie quarterback in the NFL. They're asking him to We
just talked to.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
De Orlando Ledbetter a lot about thirty minutes ago from Atlanta,
and he said that Pennix has not gotten any first
team reps all season, exclusively scout team, which is not
unusual for backup quarterbacks. They're asking him to go from
four months of scout team offense to a four offensive load.
Ledbetter said that they're not going to ease him in
at all because they can't afford to. And oh, by
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the way, you got three games left to take us
to the playoffs as we're a game behind. How tough
is this for a pennis Well?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Coincidentally, I personally, I had a little bit of a
career break while playing for the Falcons. Was backing up
Chris Miller, first round draft pick from Oregon, and we
were on a seven game losing street. Chris broke his
collarbone against Tampa, which allowed me to start the last
two games, and we beat the Rams and then beat
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the Cowboys knocked them out of the playoffs, which earned
me an opportunity to go to the Patriots. But I
was in my fifth year. Had that been my rookie year,
I would have soiled myself. No chance I would have
been ready. But but you know, Michael Pennix is a
whole nother cut of steak above wherever I was. But
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I think that he's I think he's got a chance.
He's got a good team around him. You know, he's
got good targets, and you know it's relatively soft landing.
I think the Giants are probably thinking about tea times
and and Muhammad vacations.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
And and and and I think that he has well.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Well, while it's true you're not taking reps with the
first team, I presume kirk Kiru Kirk Cousins has not
been taking scout team. So when you go on the
scout team as the backup, you're you're playing with infearior players, right,
You're all the backups, and you're going against the number
one defense, as everybody knows, right, So you you are
trying to find completions and and the way to get
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completions of the scout team.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
You can't go to your you know, you know your
third read.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
You're thinking, I'm only going to have time in the
pocket to get to my first guy. So you got
to really hone in on I manipulation, because like like,
I'm gonna throw it to my right, Okay, I'm gonna
look slightly to my left all the way through my drop.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I'm gonna put my back from the ground.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I'm gonna quickly wheel and and and whip it out
to the right because because you're only gonna get a
split second chance to get a completion.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
And so you've got that piece, and of course you're
in the meeting rooms.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I think Kirk Cousins is the type of individual that's
probably been helping him, and he's, you know, he's a
lot more prepared now than he was at the beginning
of the year. But you know, look, this guy's a thoroughbred.
IM I wouldn't be surprised that I'm not gonna forecast.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I'm not a.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
You know, a predictor, but I I do think that
there are plenty of circumstances that are available in this
situation for him to have success.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Out of curiosity, Hugh, I know you said you're not
a predictor. If they said, hey, Huey wants to do
some be a weather man. Would you take that job?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
A weather man?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, predictive weatherman.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
No, I don't. I don't do I don't do game prediction.
I'm not sir. I'm not gonna do weather.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I just to test the weather man.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well, I could do weather in Seattle. Yeah, it's gonna
rain today.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Good job. With Pennix.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Coming in as he is without the experience level, do
you expect him to bombs away succeed right away or
do you expect this to be a little rough go.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Even though it's a two and twelve Giants team.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Well, I think that they've got a pretty decent line
and uh and again, you know, depending on what kind
of rapport he can get with with Drake London and
those targets and and are they.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Healthy at wide receiver. I think they've got some good targets.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Of course he's got bees on Robinson. I think that's
kind of one of those Make sure you don't reside
on one end of the the extreme or either end
of the extreme. Don't don't run the ball too much
with Robinson because you don't let Pennis get into a rhythm.
You know, he needs to have some first down throws
on the other hand, don't have him throw every down
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because then the defense they start to get into a
rhythm about Okay, let's disavow our run responsibilities. Just immediately
get to our pass responsibilities, and then it makes it
harder on you. So I think a nice blend of
run pass is probably what I mean. If I was
on the falcon staff advising, you know, the play caller,
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and they solicited my opinion, I'd say that's an important
part of it is don't run too much, don't run
too little.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Here, yeah, just meet him around my mouth. Yeah, sorry,
you're good. WSU things are just falling apart. Coach Diggard
has accepted the job at wake Forest no longer WSU
football head coach Helly just dropped the picture saying, headed
your way, Deeke, see you soon. What's your reaction to
him making a decision to move on from WSU and
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what does.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
That leave the Koogs.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Well, my first reaction, quite honestly, is I'll just say this,
as a Husky, I don't like the Cougars. They're the rival,
and and and and so you know, you know, if uh,
you know, you know, as a general rule, am I
rooting for good things to happen the Cougars. No, so
I don't like the cougars, but I like cougars. I've
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got a lot of you know, neighbor and friends and
friends that I'm good enough that we go on vacations
together that are wazoo alums. And uh, you know there's
good cougs as such as yourself, Christopher in my opinion
at the station. You know that I've come close to
uh over the years, you know, just as a former
Husky quarterback. Uh, certainly you know the network of Husky quarterbacks,
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we all share a kinship. But you know what, we
tend to bump into Cougar quarterbacks too, just because kind
of that's the circle as we travel in. And you know,
my contemporary Mark Rippon, wonderful guy, Jack Thompson, who proceeded
wonderful guy, Drew Bledsoe, Dido, Tim Rosenbah. I've met all
these guys, Connor Holliday have shared, you know, Meal, Alex Brink.
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Every time I see Brink, like there are every Cougar
quarterback that I've ever and I've met more there. They
all seem to be just really classy guys and we
kind of respect the the the bond if that we
have for being you know, rival quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
At least I sense that. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
I don't want to speak for other people, but that's
my sense. And so I just feel really like like
aware of how gutted they must feel. I mean, I'm
trying to imagine if one of my cougar buddies had
gone into a cooma just sixteen months ago.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, really, and and he came.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Out and he said, tell me about my beloved Cougs.
And then and I said, okay, well, you're you're not
in the Pac twelve anymore. You lost your ad to
the Huskies. You've lost your quarterback who was, you know,
presumably a preseason All American. You've lost your head coach
who seemed be faith and and my cougar buddy who
said stop FN with me, Okay enough, like like now
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tell me the real truth. And I say, no, no, no,
that that that's actually happened. And so I just I
just feel awful. And of course, you know the dickard
piece of I you know, Wake Forest, I get it.
You know they're in the ACC. They're not a program
steeped in tradition. You know, it's not some huge vault up.
It's not like the bar going to Alabama. So you've
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got that certainly, you know, with acc they've got more resources.
But given how strident Dickard had been and how vocal
he had been in criticizing those who had made similar decisions,
be they players or the system or other coaches, and
and there was kind of an air of like, hey, hey,
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we don't do that. And and so now he ends
up looking like a fool for many of the words
that he's spoken. But you know, that's not the number
one thing. I just feel that there'll be a time
next season, you know, I'll get my my anti coug
you know, rivalry feeling back. But for now, I just
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I can't imagine if if I love the Kougs as
much as I love the Huskies, I can't imagine this
or just what a gut punch this would be.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
To the Seahawks. You the Falcony Vikings blitz more than
do the Packers. The Packers got home with so many
four men and still one of the lowest pressure teams
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Seven sacks, twelve quarterback hits the other night. What would
you do? Would you run more?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Would you stay in shotguns so that smith with a
bad knee can see the rush coming and get the
ball out. What do you think they should do with
Brian Flores and the Vikings, who blitz as much as
anybody in the league.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Yeah, a blitz is defined as five or more rushers,
and in that sense, the Vikings they have two hundred
and twenty six plays a five or more rush.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
That's number one in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
You go to six rushers, they are sixty one, which
is second only to the Raiders who have sixty two.
So so yeah, the numbers are there. I think it's
difficult to process that stuff. So your completion percentage is
probably going to go down, but your yards per tempt
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needs to go up. You need to to create some
big play opportunities. And you know the shotgun piece. The
Seahawks are seventh in the NFL in terms of their
propensity for shotgun and so I think you know the
reason you do that. You just have a little bit
more distance from all the action you can as opposed
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to being under center and trying to whole ass back
and everything's retreating on you. You're already at five yards. Obviously,
you can have different protections where the running back if
you're if you're under center and a blitz in the
A gap, you have to do what's called squeeze, and
so the guard has to squeeze into the A gap
and that could leave the running back on a defensive
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tackle from under center. From shotgun, now you have a
running back. He can take an a gap blitzer or
he can go coast to coast. But depending on your
your protection scheme, you know, you look, look, uh, you know,
one to two on the right side, but you can
also have have a go across underneath the quarterback and
pick pick up a blitzer coming off the edge off
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to the left. So I think you have more versatility
in your protection schemes from shotgun.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
And you can put two running backs in the backfield.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
They've done sales, done that occasionally, you know, and you
can max protect you but a tight end back there,
so so you have more versatility. But I think the
general rule most teams say, Okay, sometimes we're gonna max
it up, leave a tight end and a running back
in and try and take some shots on a two
to three manter concept. And then and then we're gonna
have some five out protections where we just force them
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to cover everybody and have hots And yeah, they may
be bringing six, but we've got five potential places to
go with the football, even empty, which.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Debor or excuse me, grub has been.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Inclined to do. So they should have some plans. I
think it's a lot better that Gino's playing than Sam Howe.
If Gino in fact is playing, I don't know what
the latest is.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, we're gonna find out this afternoon practice, but it
signs our so far. Yes, where do you stand on
play action passes? That's something that we brought up to
McDonald this week and he said that's something they're looking
at it, maybe doing more to help out the protection.
Can you do it at a shotgun viably at all?
I understand doing it out of under center, you're gonna
turn your back to the blitzers and that's not a
good idea with a quarterback with a bad knee against
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the blitzing Vikings. But do they need to do more
play action and if so, do they do it under
center or no?
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Well, play action under center is the best if you're talking,
and that generally is like a first and ten and
the Lions are the best in the league by far.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Nobody's close.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
In fact, the Lions or are number one in terms
of under center percentage, but they're also number one in
terms of under center and play action and under center
and play action over the middle of the field. I
think Jared Goff gets under sold on some of his
skill set to be able to do that. Now, yes,
you can do play action from shotgun, and it can
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either be a design pass call.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
You know, you can put let's say your your geno
and the running back Canine still left or charbon As
to the left. Charbon Ay could have protection responsibility. He's
one to two inside out mike to Sam Well, he
comes across on the on the blitz or on the
on on the on the mesh of the the fake,
and he and the running backs looking one to two.
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So you can have all the most all the protections
that you have under center, you can you can employ them,
I would say the majority of them in shotguns.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
So that's not a problem.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
You don't get as effective of a read or of
a fake because you're not turning your back to the
You know, if if you as a quarterback, if I
have my back turned the ball, they don't know, you
know that's on my hip. I can hide the ball
more because I have my back to the Okay, but
then I've got to turn and locate it. And when
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I when I turned back around, I got to say, Okay,
all the defenders I thought they were going to be
in a certain place, are they in fact in that
that certain place.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
The other part of it is r p O and
r p O s can be you know what you.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Think is play action might be, Well, it was just
it was a design run play where Gino elects to
throw the ball out there on a bubble screen or
some type of quick screen out on smoke screen or
what what have you, or even a short pass route
by the tight end and Wi stick or et cetera.
So there's there's different areas that would you know, fall
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unto the category of shotgun play action, And yeah, that's
got to be part of what they do.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Now, I will I will say this, there is a
little bit of.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
A fallacy out there, uh, which which is stated as
the fall You have to be able to run the
football effectively to have effective play action. Yeah, talked about that,
and you know what, on some level, I don't know
exactly what their opinion is and so maybe if we
had a detailed conversation, they'd be aware of what I'm
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about to say, But it seems kind of axiomatic that
that would there'd be a correlation. Hey, the better you run,
the better you play action.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
But in my.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Association with the thirty third team, this think tank that
I can't remember, we made a presentation on it, but
somebody had a presentation and they had hard data, I
mean hard data, and the summary was play action is
effective whether you're you're effective running the ball or not. Now,
at some point that would run out. But basically what
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you do is you just say, Okay, the teams that
are having running success and then they call play action passes,
are you more likely to get effective uh results from
that play action versus teams that that have been running
very poorly? And then they go play action and the
data shows there's there's next to no difference. The play
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action is more effective either way, whether you're running well
or whether you're running poorly. So they're there, and and
it's by about a yard per per attempt, which is
not insignificant. You know, if you say, like okay, six
and a half yards per attempt versus seven and a
half eight yards per attempt in Play Action, and I
don't have that right in front of me. I could,
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I could dig it up, but but uh but I
remember watching that that presentation being very skeptical, but then realize, well, hey,
that that that data is what it is, and it's comprehensive,
and it's league wide and and and it's I found
it convincing, and so in any just just keep that
in mind as a fan that you know, play Action
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doesn't necessarily need to have successful running even though one
would think that actionumatically that it would Humeillan appreciate you
is always.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Thanks for joining us. Always, thanks guys. I'll talk down
the roundtable tomorrow morning.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Rock and Roll.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Hugh Mellen joining us SUNS he does every Wednesday at
eleven o'clock here on ninety three point three KJRFM. He
thinks they should do Play Action out a Shot again
if they have to, and then he also says he
brings up that.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Ryan Grubb has said that he believes, yes, you.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Need to have a strong running game to have an
effective play Action game. Mike McDonald this week said he
knows both sides of it. He's seen the analytics that
he was talking about about. The numbers say you don't
necessarily have to run the ball well to have affective
play action.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
The Seahawks just start doing it. They're not running or
they're not doing play action.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
They were one of the lowest in the league at
both second fewest rush attempts and I think it's twenty
fifth in the league and play action pass attempts so far,
and that would those are two things they aren't doing
that would help slow down pass rushers that are overwhelming
the Seahawks offensive line up. Next, we'll readback your text
and to tell them we' text line four nine, four
or five one. Then Ian Forness will join us. At
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eleven forty five. I'll be running to Renton to go
talk to Mike McDonald and probably DK metcalf before practice
to see if Gino Smith's on the field. Lots more
to coom here On ninety three point three KJRFMO, Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
To the show. Greg Bell, Christopher Kay with you know
what the music means.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's time to read back your texting a telehom ordered
text line four nine, four or five one.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
When it's game time. It's tully time. We got one
right off the bat, who was the fact or fiction winner.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
All right, congratulates you to our winner, Gerald e U
s q u E from Seattle. Can't say that last name,
but I'm guessing it's I'm not having yes, but Gerald.
Shout to Joe from Seattle. He was on I Believe
with Softy and Fame yesterday and he tied her first
place after a fourteen week contest at one hundred and
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forty three points. So I went to a tie breaker
and yeah, congratulated, and that's huge. The winning show was
Chuck and Buck in the morning, but the biggest sautoy
aarly Gerald from Seattle.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
He did a really good job on that US one
hundred and forty three points. My goodness, that's crazy. So
shout out to Gerald.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
He is our fact in Fiction winner Factor Fiction winner
from this past year.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Chuck and Buck had thirty seven wins and thirty losses
thirty wrong. We had thirty six right and thirty one wrong,
so we lost basically by a game.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It was very close. It was fun.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Andrews is claiming the best winning percentage by going eight
and four.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Come head man, that's right.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I had twenty three correct picks, which is ten more
than anybody else at the station twenty three and seventeen.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, they had to.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
They are allowing everyone to pick, So Anderson got the
least amount of picks, but he got the most percentage point.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
So you give it to the young Anderson Hurst.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
That's We had six three hundred and seventy six unique
players participating in the contest, and they were almost a
quarter of a million total entries behind the whole fourteen
week contest two hundred and ten thousand.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Shout out all you playing, appreciate it. This is from
three six. Oh, Viva La Pinnix, well played.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I think Greg and I agree. We want the kid
to do well. It's a tough position to be in,
but I think he has a chance to really make
some do some damage down there these next three games.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Marcus.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Out of the two h six, the Seahawks should have
traded our third and fourth and fifth pick in the
draft to swap acl and get Pinnis.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
They're so lucky to have next year's MVP. Wow. Wow,
that's huge. The Seahawks did not expect.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I was told they were not in the market for
a quarterback in the first round and they did not
expect Pennicks to be anywhere near them at sixteen, but
they did not expect nobody in the NFL expected Atlanta
to take him at eight.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Now from the three six oh NL, I should work
more like an NFL paycheck. You agree to a certain amount,
but you get paid per game, so you receive X
per game. If you cried and sit out, you don't
get paid.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
That would be.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Interesting, but that's going to have to be in fine credit.
That's got it right, and that's a contract they don't
want to enter in yet. And if they do go
to contracts, then they move the big time schools off
campus and make it a private partnership. Contract wise, then
you'll be you won't have to adhere to Title nine laws.
There is talk, I've been told by a longtime college
athletic director who has also been a commissioner of a
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conference that's where it's headed, that the major programs are
going to move off campus.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
And I don't know how that's going to work logistically.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
You're taking Michigan Stadium in one hundred and ten thousand
seats off campus. I don't know how to do that,
but they're going to take their programs off campus, so
they don't have to follow Title nine rules. They can
enter into private contracts and be separate from the university.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
They'll be wearing the laundry of a school. And that's it.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
That's where at least one longtime ad and administrator says
it's headed.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It's what he killed name.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
We played audio Jetfish talking about we have a calendar
problem in regards to the portal, and this is from
the two five to three. The portal is in December
for academics kidney to be on new campus, on the
new campus in January.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
In theory academics, that's a joke.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
There's nothing about this in college football that has to
do with academics other than to get the kid into
college in time to be in the next semester. And
you don't think that if the money at stake care
that they can get a work around that and just
to admit a student mid semester. Of course they can.
That's an excuse to have the transfer portal in December.
(24:28):
Come on, the tens and hundreds of millions of dollars.
They're paying players three million dollars and you think they're
gonna say, well, sorry, the deadline for your application was
December tenth.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Get the academics. Hey, nothing about this about academics. They
cared about academics. They wouldn't let transfer.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Portals do exist like this, and they wouldn't let money
be open free agency in the middle of the season.
They wouldn't let other schools tamper with players in the
middle of their academic yere where they're supposed to be
studying and playing football. Academics absolute crock to mention academics
in the terms of n I am on a transfer portal.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
From the four two five.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
As an attorney, I am confident that written express contracts
are the answers to fix this system. Players want to
get paid, fine, sign the dotted line contract will protect
players and the schools spread the payments throughout a mandate
playoff or bow or bold game appearance to get the
last payment. Plus if another school comes after your player,
then you have to hit them with a lawsuit for
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interference with existing contractual relationship.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Right None of it's contractual right now, None of it
is afraid of getting sued.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
College presidents don't even want to get.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Into the formality of They love this ad hoc deal
because it keeps everybody from getting sued.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I hear him, He's right. Who's gonna do that?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
What college presidents are going to step up and make
this formal contracts that you can't break and you can't
infringe on it.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Who's going to do that? Sec in Big Ten? I
don't know. They're the power brokers in the sport.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
That's what they are.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Why we where we are today? From Ben the two
o six, I wonder what topics you guys should bring
with Ian and cross talk the weather? Maybe?
Speaker 5 (26:03):
I think that's a great start and is an ivy
and was on ten this morning with the Chuck and
Book Ashley Morning Show.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
So maybe stared clear from all that from the three
to six? So, how close do you think the Seahawks
are to win? They drafted Russell Wilson?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
How close to the Seahawks to what? How close do
you think the Seahawks are to when they drafted Russell Wilson?
Oh to when they drafted Russell?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Send me some Alaskas yesterday. I think they're light years ahead.
They have better skill position players, they have a better
defense up the middle. They didn't have an Ernest Jones,
they'd get to draft Bobby Wagner back then. I think
they're way ahead skill position players. They didn't have DK
anything near a DK, Metcalf and Jackson Stiff and Jigba.
They didn't have a thousand yard rusher and Kenneth Walker.
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I think they're light years ahead of where they were
in twenty eleven, the last season before they drafted Russell.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Wilson from the two oh six. Is Woolan broken or
just not the player we hoped he could be?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
He didn't look good the other night, did he?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Mike McDonald even acknowledged that that was not a game
that Woolan and he could be happy with.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
He needs to play better. But that played a thirty
six yard over his head. I thought he was going
to intercept it when he threw the.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Ball, and I could see from the he's like, well,
he's right in front of the receivers going to get
picked off.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Just panicked her head.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
He didn't trust his instincts and though he's been so
good at that in previous years where he is making plays.
But I will say I don't think Woolan is broken.
I think he still can be the player everyone expected
him to be. He just has had a lot more
mental eras on the field than you would like him
to have. Hell, he had an opportunity to bring a
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guy down and he walks carries Julian Love and himself
into the end zone. I think sometimes he just gets
in his own way and that could be detrimental to
his development, and you're seeing it this season. So I
expect them have a bounce back game. But boy, these
two receivers coming in, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
They'd say, you can't shadow Weatherspoon with you can't put
Jefferson in Witherspoon locked up on Jefferson because then Addison's
gonna go field day on the rest of your secondary.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
So yeah, he's gonna get a little bit of everything.
Woll it is this weekend.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
I believe this is our guy, Travis out of the
two six one by percent points with the pathetic eight
and four record, Ah, get out of here.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Week, thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
He definitely agrees with you there, thank you man eight
and four verses twenty three and fourteen or whatever?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
What come on?
Speaker 5 (28:33):
This is from the two o six. How about European
soccer transfer fees? Teams would have to pay the other
team to sell that sell them that player. Then the
team would have to come to terms with the player themselves.
The problem with that is they're already scholargers are already crying.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
They can't get the twenty point five million they're gonna
have to take out of their own hide starting next year.
So then you're gonna add money on top of that
to sign more players. That's the problem. They're gonna go
coming to the collective into the donors asking for more money.
That way, they're already asking for money from the donors
for the twenty point five million they're supposed to be
paying out of their own revenues.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
That's another thing.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
This was supposed to come out of college athletic department's
own revenues from TV and GATE, and now they're asking
the alumni and the donors and the benefactors to put
some of that bill ticket sales, concession prices straight out donations.
That's supposed to be less money for the college athletic departments.
If Gino remains out, is tanking the best course of action? No, Again,
(29:31):
We've talked about this a thousand times. The NFL player
doesn't tank because he has to get money to get
food on his table next year.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Then nothing guaranteed be on the year he's in.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's not like baseball with guaranteed contracts or the NBA
with its load management guaranteed contract The NFL player has
to perform in order to earn his money for next year,
because nothing's guaranteed except the year he's in.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
And that's why tanking doesn't exist by and large, at
least in the minds of the players.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Now, maybe the front office and the coaching staff like
the Jets who fired everybody.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
But it's so different than Donia. I covered Major League
Baseball as a beat writer for three or four years.
They did tank.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
They did think I'm going to Tahiti and I can't
wait till the season's over. The average player who doesn't
have anything guaranteed in the beyond the year he's in,
like three fourths of the Seahawks roster, they can't afford
to think that way, or else they won't have a
job next year.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Not to mention your tank, it doesn't guarantee you.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Any you're still what that means you'd be from what
instead of picking eighteenth, you picked twelfth or fifteenth.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
That's not gonna get you the quarterback. And it's not
gonna get you anything you need. I don't know right now.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
The Seahawks are in a really funny position in that regard.
But have you seen the Mary yet.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
He is in Tacoma and the Heritage Beta Chambers Beata Stillery.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
He's gonna be joining us next from there on ninety
three point three KJERFM.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Welcome back to the Greg Bells Show with Christopher Kidd.
We are now joined by the Mayor Ian Ferness. I
hope he is doing a lot better than he was
around seven thirty five. This more so, Mayor, how you feeling, man,
you're doing a little better?
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Ah? Probably not.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I'm fine.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
Let mean whatever, Listen, my emotions surrounding this dipstick aren't
gonna I got a ruin my week. Oh maybe it will,
who knows.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Don't let it do that to you, Mayor.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
Yeah, we'll see you know. But I'm a Chamber's Bay
Distillery today, So I'm happy about that. Yes, that's and
we'll tell you more about that at noon. Because it's
a great day to be down here. Holiday season. Second
year I've been down here on a in the holidays
during December. I'll tell you why. But it has a
lot to do with the golf tournament and the money
we make for Lensky's Hope. Even though my man Allen's
wearing a Helensky's Hope purple bracelet today, I'm not sure
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why he's doing that to me. I gotta talk to
the Lensky's about those color schemes. But we're we're down here.
We'll talk about that a little bit later. But yeah, man,
it's uh, it's a hard day. What were your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I was just disappointed.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
It sucks, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, I've heard him on your show, I've heard him
on other people.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
We're gonna play We're gonna play some of the hipocrips,
I mean, sound today from him at.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Oh no, you said to write the hippocraphy It's okay, Yeah, yeah,
And there was a lot of that today, and it's
it's unfortunate. You know, one quote that stands out is
we want guys that are here back in March down
to it on the station, you know, the janitor all
the way up to et cetera, et cetera. And here
we are, December eighteen, and he is, yeah, on his
way to wake Force. I know it's a great opportunity,
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but it's like, dude, I mean you just yeah, it stinks.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
I think the hard thing here, Chris is that listen,
coaches don't stay anywhere forever.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
They just don't.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
I mean, Nick Staban's probably the greatest college coach in
the history of the game, right and he coached at
what what, Alabama, Florida, I don't know, Alabama, LSU, Michigan State,
right am?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I right on that.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
I think it's close and uh and the NFL, like
guys don't stay forever. I think was disappointing is he
left for the first job, like like maybe the second
because maybe maybe he was offered.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
The other one.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Who knows, in Michigan State last year. But you know,
I think that's what's disappointing. But I don't know, buddy,
I don't know. It's tough times right now to be
a cooog, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Oh my goodness, Yeah, it's unfortunate, tough times. I'm gonna
try to be positive and hopefully the I know we
talked about this off waxed off air regarding the basketball
game tonight, and I'm like, yeah, you know, I'm at
the game, so I'll try to get me out the funk.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Go Koog's, so go Coog's.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
I'm just hoping Isaiah and Kellmey's don't try to do
too much in that game.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
You know, this is my city, I know this is
it's it's you know, like it's.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Those two guys are going to try to go bananas
and and I don't blame them, but uh yeah, that's
it's so weird because the game doesn't help.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Us at all.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
No, it's it's but it hurts us because Washington's net
ranking is so crappy. Can't we can't even we can't
lose yet. It's a road game and what will be
probably a fairly hostile environment. It's just and the way
today's going.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Rights did us a win on the basketball court.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
But you said, come on, man, let's let the sports
god smile upon us for just for a couple hours tonight, right,
could you please? Just good?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
You please?
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Good? You please.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
So you're at the Chambers Bay still the read what
else do?
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Yeah? Yeah, so we'll tell you exactly everything going on
down here in just a few minutes. But you know,
we're we're down here today for a couple big reasons,
and especially the golf tournament. But We've got a busy
day coming up today as far as the show. It's
a Wednesday, but short week for us. We have a
bowl game on Friday, so we'll get right to it.
Jake Dicker conversation early Brendon Funston. I think we're going
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to join him. He's going to join us at twelve
thirty today. We'll do a shorter stating with Funston today,
So get your text in four nine, four to five one.
It's usually Thursday. He's flying tomorrow traveling, but we've got
people wanting to get him on. So twelve thirty today,
Brandon Funston, Steve Pallozolo talking NFL at one today one
twenty Cougar round Table MK and Alex it's a special
(34:53):
emergency edition of that, and then coach Holmgann joined us,
coming up at two o'clock today.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Well there you have it. The Mayor and Jessman are
come up next on ninety three point three K J
R F M
Hi, Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Greg Bell's show with Christopher Kid rolls on here for
the second hour on ninety three point three KJRFM. Hugh
Millen he just heard they're disgusted after the Seahawks lost
to the Packers. Will join us as he does every
Wednesday at eleven o'clock, right after quick Headlines busted by
Frostbrewed Corslight Choose Chill. Seahawks practice today just after one o'clock.
I'm gonna be watching and see if Gino Smith is
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out there as he usually is, see if the knee injury.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Is gonna allow him to practice.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Coach Mike McDonald thinks it will, and that he'll take
most of the first team reps, and that he thinks
he will play Sunday when the Seahawks play the Vikings
at Loumenfield. I'll also be watching see if Kenneth Walker
comes back from his calf injury, but McDonald said that
he hoped that would be the case here on Wednesday.
He hasn't missed the last two games with that calf injury.
Got it in the winner of the Jets December first.
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The Falcons have announced that Michael Pennigs Junior from the
University of Washington Heisman Trophy runner up last year for
a national championship final team is It's a new starting
quarterback for Atlanta, replacing struggling Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Struggling to a mild term for Cousins.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Right now, Atlanta's using the week of playing the two
and twelve Giants for Pennix to debut the eighth overall
pick in this year's draft from the Washington Huskies. It's
going to try to lead the Falcons back from a
game down with three games left in the NFC South.
There're seven and seven, the Bucks are eight and six.
It would be I'm going to ask you, but I
think that'd be one of the most remarkable pulloffs of
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a rookie quarterback in NFL history, to lead them from
the scout team to the playoffs in a three week push.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Cracking highlights. We'd play them, but there aren't any.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Last night they lost three nothing at home to Ottawa
in the four game homestand at Climate Pledge Arena. That
one step forward, one step back continues for the crack
In their fifteen sixteen and one back under five hundred.
They head out on a four game road till that
begins Tomorrow night at Chicago. The Cubs traded former league
MVP Cody Bellinger to the Yankees as New York tiz
to resaw its offense, with Juan Soto gone to the
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met Former NFL quarterback Michael Vick is taking the head
coaching job at Norfolk State. The Bucks won the NBA
Cup in season tournament. The NBA's changed in the All
Star game format, the fourteens of eight guys playing game
pickup games basically to forty points with the winner. Ivy
League voted to send its regular season champion to the
FCS playoffs for the first time. We told you yesterday
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John Mattier was transferring from Washington State. The quarterback now
the coaches too. Jake Dickard is officially going to be
announced today as the Wake Forest head coach, two days
after the Demon Deacons job came open. And college football
remains broken beyond repair. It seems everything except the product
on the field, everything else around it is a mess.
(02:41):
Joining us now as he does every Wednesday at eleven o'clock,
Hugh Millan.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
You, good morning, Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, good to be with you, guys.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
First time to get your reaction to Michael Pennix and
the TESK. You've been in the NFL. You were a
rookie quarterback in the NFL. They're asking him to We
just talked to.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
De Orlando Ledbetter a lot about thirty minutes ago from Atlanta,
and he said that Pennix has not gotten any first
team reps all season, exclusively scout team, which is not
unusual for backup quarterbacks. They're asking him to go from
four months of scout team offense to a four offensive load.
Ledbetter said that they're not going to ease him in
at all because they can't afford to. And oh, by
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the way, you got three games left to take us
to the playoffs as we're a game behind. How tough
is this for a pennis Well?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Coincidentally, I personally, I had a little bit of a
career break while playing for the Falcons. Was backing up
Chris Miller, first round draft pick from Oregon, and we
were on a seven game losing street. Chris broke his
collarbone against Tampa, which allowed me to start the last
two games, and we beat the Rams and then beat
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the Cowboys knocked them out of the playoffs, which earned
me an opportunity to go to the Patriots. But I
was in my fifth year. Had that been my rookie year,
I would have soiled myself. No chance I would have
been ready. But but you know, Michael Pennix is a
whole nother cut of steak above wherever I was. But
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I think that he's I think he's got a chance.
He's got a good team around him. You know, he's
got good targets, and you know it's relatively soft landing.
I think the Giants are probably thinking about tea times
and and Muhammad vacations.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
And and and and I think that he has well.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Well, while it's true you're not taking reps with the
first team, I presume kirk Kiru Kirk Cousins has not
been taking scout team. So when you go on the
scout team as the backup, you're you're playing with infearior players, right,
You're all the backups, and you're going against the number
one defense, as everybody knows, right, So you you are
trying to find completions and and the way to get
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completions of the scout team.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
You can't go to your you know, you know your
third read.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
You're thinking, I'm only going to have time in the
pocket to get to my first guy. So you got
to really hone in on I manipulation, because like like,
I'm gonna throw it to my right, Okay, I'm gonna
look slightly to my left all the way through my drop.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I'm gonna put my back from the ground.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I'm gonna quickly wheel and and and whip it out
to the right because because you're only gonna get a
split second chance to get a completion.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
And so you've got that piece, and of course you're
in the meeting rooms.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I think Kirk Cousins is the type of individual that's
probably been helping him, and he's, you know, he's a
lot more prepared now than he was at the beginning
of the year. But you know, look, this guy's a thoroughbred.
IM I wouldn't be surprised that I'm not gonna forecast.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I'm not a.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
You know, a predictor, but I I do think that
there are plenty of circumstances that are available in this
situation for him to have success.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Out of curiosity, Hugh, I know you said you're not
a predictor. If they said, hey, Huey wants to do
some be a weather man. Would you take that job?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
A weather man?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, predictive weatherman.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
No, I don't. I don't do I don't do game prediction.
I'm not sir. I'm not gonna do weather.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I just to test the weather man.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well, I could do weather in Seattle. Yeah, it's gonna
rain today.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Good job. With Pennix.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Coming in as he is without the experience level, do
you expect him to bombs away succeed right away or
do you expect this to be a little rough go.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Even though it's a two and twelve Giants team.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Well, I think that they've got a pretty decent line
and uh and again, you know, depending on what kind
of rapport he can get with with Drake London and
those targets and and are they.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Healthy at wide receiver. I think they've got some good targets.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Of course he's got bees on Robinson. I think that's
kind of one of those Make sure you don't reside
on one end of the the extreme or either end
of the extreme. Don't don't run the ball too much
with Robinson because you don't let Pennis get into a rhythm.
You know, he needs to have some first down throws
on the other hand, don't have him throw every down
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because then the defense they start to get into a
rhythm about Okay, let's disavow our run responsibilities. Just immediately
get to our pass responsibilities, and then it makes it
harder on you. So I think a nice blend of
run pass is probably what I mean. If I was
on the falcon staff advising, you know, the play caller,
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and they solicited my opinion, I'd say that's an important
part of it is don't run too much, don't run
too little.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Here, yeah, just meet him around my mouth. Yeah, sorry,
you're good. WSU things are just falling apart. Coach Diggard
has accepted the job at wake Forest no longer WSU
football head coach Helly just dropped the picture saying, headed
your way, Deeke, see you soon. What's your reaction to
him making a decision to move on from WSU and
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what does.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
That leave the Koogs.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Well, my first reaction, quite honestly, is I'll just say this,
as a Husky, I don't like the Cougars. They're the rival,
and and and and so you know, you know, if uh,
you know, you know, as a general rule, am I
rooting for good things to happen the Cougars. No, so
I don't like the cougars, but I like cougars. I've
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got a lot of you know, neighbor and friends and
friends that I'm good enough that we go on vacations
together that are wazoo alums. And uh, you know there's
good cougs as such as yourself, Christopher in my opinion
at the station. You know that I've come close to
uh over the years, you know, just as a former
Husky quarterback. Uh, certainly you know the network of Husky quarterbacks,
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we all share a kinship. But you know what, we
tend to bump into Cougar quarterbacks too, just because kind
of that's the circle as we travel in. And you know,
my contemporary Mark Rippon, wonderful guy, Jack Thompson, who proceeded
wonderful guy, Drew Bledsoe, Dido, Tim Rosenbah. I've met all
these guys, Connor Holliday have shared, you know, Meal, Alex Brink.
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Every time I see Brink, like there are every Cougar
quarterback that I've ever and I've met more there. They
all seem to be just really classy guys and we
kind of respect the the the bond if that we
have for being you know, rival quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
At least I sense that. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
I don't want to speak for other people, but that's
my sense. And so I just feel really like like
aware of how gutted they must feel. I mean, I'm
trying to imagine if one of my cougar buddies had
gone into a cooma just sixteen months ago.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, really, and and he came.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Out and he said, tell me about my beloved Cougs.
And then and I said, okay, well, you're you're not
in the Pac twelve anymore. You lost your ad to
the Huskies. You've lost your quarterback who was, you know,
presumably a preseason All American. You've lost your head coach
who seemed be faith and and my cougar buddy who
said stop FN with me, Okay enough, like like now
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tell me the real truth. And I say, no, no, no,
that that that's actually happened. And so I just I
just feel awful. And of course, you know the dickard
piece of I you know, Wake Forest, I get it.
You know they're in the ACC. They're not a program
steeped in tradition. You know, it's not some huge vault up.
It's not like the bar going to Alabama. So you've
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got that certainly, you know, with acc they've got more resources.
But given how strident Dickard had been and how vocal
he had been in criticizing those who had made similar decisions,
be they players or the system or other coaches, and
and there was kind of an air of like, hey, hey,
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we don't do that. And and so now he ends
up looking like a fool for many of the words
that he's spoken. But you know, that's not the number
one thing. I just feel that there'll be a time
next season, you know, I'll get my my anti coug
you know, rivalry feeling back. But for now, I just
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I can't imagine if if I love the Kougs as
much as I love the Huskies, I can't imagine this
or just what a gut punch this would be.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
To the Seahawks. You the Falcony Vikings blitz more than
do the Packers. The Packers got home with so many
four men and still one of the lowest pressure teams
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Seven sacks, twelve quarterback hits the other night. What would
you do? Would you run more?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Would you stay in shotguns so that smith with a
bad knee can see the rush coming and get the
ball out. What do you think they should do with
Brian Flores and the Vikings, who blitz as much as
anybody in the league.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Yeah, a blitz is defined as five or more rushers,
and in that sense, the Vikings they have two hundred
and twenty six plays a five or more rush.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
That's number one in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
You go to six rushers, they are sixty one, which
is second only to the Raiders who have sixty two.
So so yeah, the numbers are there. I think it's
difficult to process that stuff. So your completion percentage is
probably going to go down, but your yards per tempt
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needs to go up. You need to to create some
big play opportunities. And you know the shotgun piece. The
Seahawks are seventh in the NFL in terms of their
propensity for shotgun and so I think you know the
reason you do that. You just have a little bit
more distance from all the action you can as opposed
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to being under center and trying to whole ass back
and everything's retreating on you. You're already at five yards. Obviously,
you can have different protections where the running back if
you're if you're under center and a blitz in the
A gap, you have to do what's called squeeze, and
so the guard has to squeeze into the A gap
and that could leave the running back on a defensive
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tackle from under center. From shotgun, now you have a
running back. He can take an a gap blitzer or
he can go coast to coast. But depending on your
your protection scheme, you know, you look, look, uh, you know,
one to two on the right side, but you can
also have have a go across underneath the quarterback and
pick pick up a blitzer coming off the edge off
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to the left. So I think you have more versatility
in your protection schemes from shotgun.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
And you can put two running backs in the backfield.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
They've done sales, done that occasionally, you know, and you
can max protect you but a tight end back there,
so so you have more versatility. But I think the
general rule most teams say, Okay, sometimes we're gonna max
it up, leave a tight end and a running back
in and try and take some shots on a two
to three manter concept. And then and then we're gonna
have some five out protections where we just force them
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to cover everybody and have hots And yeah, they may
be bringing six, but we've got five potential places to
go with the football, even empty, which.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Debor or excuse me, grub has been.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Inclined to do. So they should have some plans. I
think it's a lot better that Gino's playing than Sam Howe.
If Gino in fact is playing, I don't know what
the latest is.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, we're gonna find out this afternoon practice, but it
signs our so far. Yes, where do you stand on
play action passes? That's something that we brought up to
McDonald this week and he said that's something they're looking
at it, maybe doing more to help out the protection.
Can you do it at a shotgun viably at all?
I understand doing it out of under center, you're gonna
turn your back to the blitzers and that's not a
good idea with a quarterback with a bad knee against
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the blitzing Vikings. But do they need to do more
play action and if so, do they do it under
center or no?
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Well, play action under center is the best if you're talking,
and that generally is like a first and ten and
the Lions are the best in the league by far.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Nobody's close.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
In fact, the Lions or are number one in terms
of under center percentage, but they're also number one in
terms of under center and play action and under center
and play action over the middle of the field. I
think Jared Goff gets under sold on some of his
skill set to be able to do that. Now, yes,
you can do play action from shotgun, and it can
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either be a design pass call.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
You know, you can put let's say your your geno
and the running back Canine still left or charbon As
to the left. Charbon Ay could have protection responsibility. He's
one to two inside out mike to Sam Well, he
comes across on the on the blitz or on the
on on the on the mesh of the the fake,
and he and the running backs looking one to two.
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So you can have all the most all the protections
that you have under center, you can you can employ them,
I would say the majority of them in shotguns.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
So that's not a problem.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
You don't get as effective of a read or of
a fake because you're not turning your back to the
You know, if if you as a quarterback, if I
have my back turned the ball, they don't know, you
know that's on my hip. I can hide the ball
more because I have my back to the Okay, but
then I've got to turn and locate it. And when
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I when I turned back around, I got to say, Okay,
all the defenders I thought they were going to be
in a certain place, are they in fact in that
that certain place.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
The other part of it is r p O and
r p O s can be you know what you.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Think is play action might be, Well, it was just
it was a design run play where Gino elects to
throw the ball out there on a bubble screen or
some type of quick screen out on smoke screen or
what what have you, or even a short pass route
by the tight end and Wi stick or et cetera.
So there's there's different areas that would you know, fall
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unto the category of shotgun play action, And yeah, that's
got to be part of what they do.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Now, I will I will say this, there is a
little bit of.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
A fallacy out there, uh, which which is stated as
the fall You have to be able to run the
football effectively to have effective play action. Yeah, talked about that,
and you know what, on some level, I don't know
exactly what their opinion is and so maybe if we
had a detailed conversation, they'd be aware of what I'm
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about to say, But it seems kind of axiomatic that
that would there'd be a correlation. Hey, the better you run,
the better you play action.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
But in my.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Association with the thirty third team, this think tank that
I can't remember, we made a presentation on it, but
somebody had a presentation and they had hard data, I
mean hard data, and the summary was play action is
effective whether you're you're effective running the ball or not. Now,
at some point that would run out. But basically what
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you do is you just say, Okay, the teams that
are having running success and then they call play action passes,
are you more likely to get effective uh results from
that play action versus teams that that have been running
very poorly? And then they go play action and the
data shows there's there's next to no difference. The play
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action is more effective either way, whether you're running well
or whether you're running poorly. So they're there, and and
it's by about a yard per per attempt, which is
not insignificant. You know, if you say, like okay, six
and a half yards per attempt versus seven and a
half eight yards per attempt in Play Action, and I
don't have that right in front of me. I could,
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I could dig it up, but but uh but I
remember watching that that presentation being very skeptical, but then realize, well, hey,
that that that data is what it is, and it's comprehensive,
and it's league wide and and and it's I found
it convincing, and so in any just just keep that
in mind as a fan that you know, play Action
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doesn't necessarily need to have successful running even though one
would think that actionumatically that it would Humeillan appreciate you
is always.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Thanks for joining us. Always, thanks guys. I'll talk down
the roundtable tomorrow morning.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Rock and Roll.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Hugh Mellen joining us SUNS he does every Wednesday at
eleven o'clock here on ninety three point three KJRFM. He
thinks they should do Play Action out a Shot again
if they have to, and then he also says he
brings up that.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Ryan Grubb has said that he believes, yes, you.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Need to have a strong running game to have an
effective play Action game. Mike McDonald this week said he
knows both sides of it. He's seen the analytics that
he was talking about about. The numbers say you don't
necessarily have to run the ball well to have affective
play action.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
The Seahawks just start doing it. They're not running or
they're not doing play action.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
They were one of the lowest in the league at
both second fewest rush attempts and I think it's twenty
fifth in the league and play action pass attempts so far,
and that would those are two things they aren't doing
that would help slow down pass rushers that are overwhelming
the Seahawks offensive line up. Next, we'll readback your text
and to tell them we' text line four nine, four
or five one. Then Ian Forness will join us. At
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eleven forty five. I'll be running to Renton to go
talk to Mike McDonald and probably DK metcalf before practice
to see if Gino Smith's on the field. Lots more
to coom here On ninety three point three KJRFMO, Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
To the show. Greg Bell, Christopher Kay with you know
what the music means.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's time to read back your texting a telehom ordered
text line four nine, four or five one.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
When it's game time. It's tully time. We got one
right off the bat, who was the fact or fiction winner.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
All right, congratulates you to our winner, Gerald e U
s q u E from Seattle. Can't say that last name,
but I'm guessing it's I'm not having yes, but Gerald.
Shout to Joe from Seattle. He was on I Believe
with Softy and Fame yesterday and he tied her first
place after a fourteen week contest at one hundred and
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forty three points. So I went to a tie breaker
and yeah, congratulated, and that's huge. The winning show was
Chuck and Buck in the morning, but the biggest sautoy
aarly Gerald from Seattle.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
He did a really good job on that US one
hundred and forty three points. My goodness, that's crazy. So
shout out to Gerald.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
He is our fact in Fiction winner Factor Fiction winner
from this past year.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Chuck and Buck had thirty seven wins and thirty losses
thirty wrong. We had thirty six right and thirty one wrong,
so we lost basically by a game.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It was very close. It was fun.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Andrews is claiming the best winning percentage by going eight
and four.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Come head man, that's right.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I had twenty three correct picks, which is ten more
than anybody else at the station twenty three and seventeen.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, they had to.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
They are allowing everyone to pick, So Anderson got the
least amount of picks, but he got the most percentage point.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
So you give it to the young Anderson Hurst.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
That's We had six three hundred and seventy six unique
players participating in the contest, and they were almost a
quarter of a million total entries behind the whole fourteen
week contest two hundred and ten thousand.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Shout out all you playing, appreciate it. This is from
three six. Oh, Viva La Pinnix, well played.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I think Greg and I agree. We want the kid
to do well. It's a tough position to be in,
but I think he has a chance to really make
some do some damage down there these next three games.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Marcus.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Out of the two h six, the Seahawks should have
traded our third and fourth and fifth pick in the
draft to swap acl and get Pinnis.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
They're so lucky to have next year's MVP. Wow. Wow,
that's huge. The Seahawks did not expect.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I was told they were not in the market for
a quarterback in the first round and they did not
expect Pennicks to be anywhere near them at sixteen, but
they did not expect nobody in the NFL expected Atlanta
to take him at eight.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Now from the three six oh NL, I should work
more like an NFL paycheck. You agree to a certain amount,
but you get paid per game, so you receive X
per game. If you cried and sit out, you don't
get paid.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
That would be.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Interesting, but that's going to have to be in fine credit.
That's got it right, and that's a contract they don't
want to enter in yet. And if they do go
to contracts, then they move the big time schools off
campus and make it a private partnership. Contract wise, then
you'll be you won't have to adhere to Title nine laws.
There is talk, I've been told by a longtime college
athletic director who has also been a commissioner of a
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conference that's where it's headed, that the major programs are
going to move off campus.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
And I don't know how that's going to work logistically.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
You're taking Michigan Stadium in one hundred and ten thousand
seats off campus. I don't know how to do that,
but they're going to take their programs off campus, so
they don't have to follow Title nine rules. They can
enter into private contracts and be separate from the university.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
They'll be wearing the laundry of a school. And that's it.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
That's where at least one longtime ad and administrator says
it's headed.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It's what he killed name.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
We played audio Jetfish talking about we have a calendar
problem in regards to the portal, and this is from
the two five to three. The portal is in December
for academics kidney to be on new campus, on the
new campus in January.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
In theory academics, that's a joke.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
There's nothing about this in college football that has to
do with academics other than to get the kid into
college in time to be in the next semester. And
you don't think that if the money at stake care
that they can get a work around that and just
to admit a student mid semester. Of course they can.
That's an excuse to have the transfer portal in December.
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Come on, the tens and hundreds of millions of dollars.
They're paying players three million dollars and you think they're
gonna say, well, sorry, the deadline for your application was
December tenth.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Get the academics. Hey, nothing about this about academics. They
cared about academics. They wouldn't let transfer.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Portals do exist like this, and they wouldn't let money
be open free agency in the middle of the season.
They wouldn't let other schools tamper with players in the
middle of their academic yere where they're supposed to be
studying and playing football. Academics absolute crock to mention academics
in the terms of n I am on a transfer portal.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
From the four two five.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
As an attorney, I am confident that written express contracts
are the answers to fix this system. Players want to
get paid, fine, sign the dotted line contract will protect
players and the schools spread the payments throughout a mandate
playoff or bow or bold game appearance to get the
last payment. Plus if another school comes after your player,
then you have to hit them with a lawsuit for
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interference with existing contractual relationship.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Right None of it's contractual right now, None of it
is afraid of getting sued.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
College presidents don't even want to get.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Into the formality of They love this ad hoc deal
because it keeps everybody from getting sued.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I hear him, He's right. Who's gonna do that?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
What college presidents are going to step up and make
this formal contracts that you can't break and you can't
infringe on it.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Who's going to do that? Sec in Big Ten? I
don't know. They're the power brokers in the sport.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
That's what they are.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Why we where we are today? From Ben the two
o six, I wonder what topics you guys should bring
with Ian and cross talk the weather? Maybe?
Speaker 5 (26:03):
I think that's a great start and is an ivy
and was on ten this morning with the Chuck and
Book Ashley Morning Show.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
So maybe stared clear from all that from the three
to six? So, how close do you think the Seahawks
are to win? They drafted Russell Wilson?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
How close to the Seahawks to what? How close do
you think the Seahawks are to when they drafted Russell Wilson?
Oh to when they drafted Russell?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Send me some Alaskas yesterday. I think they're light years ahead.
They have better skill position players, they have a better
defense up the middle. They didn't have an Ernest Jones,
they'd get to draft Bobby Wagner back then. I think
they're way ahead skill position players. They didn't have DK
anything near a DK, Metcalf and Jackson Stiff and Jigba.
They didn't have a thousand yard rusher and Kenneth Walker.
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I think they're light years ahead of where they were
in twenty eleven, the last season before they drafted Russell.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Wilson from the two oh six. Is Woolan broken or
just not the player we hoped he could be?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
He didn't look good the other night, did he?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Mike McDonald even acknowledged that that was not a game
that Woolan and he could be happy with.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
He needs to play better. But that played a thirty
six yard over his head. I thought he was going
to intercept it when he threw the.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Ball, and I could see from the he's like, well,
he's right in front of the receivers going to get
picked off.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Just panicked her head.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
He didn't trust his instincts and though he's been so
good at that in previous years where he is making plays.
But I will say I don't think Woolan is broken.
I think he still can be the player everyone expected
him to be. He just has had a lot more
mental eras on the field than you would like him
to have. Hell, he had an opportunity to bring a
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guy down and he walks carries Julian Love and himself
into the end zone. I think sometimes he just gets
in his own way and that could be detrimental to
his development, and you're seeing it this season. So I
expect them have a bounce back game. But boy, these
two receivers coming in, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
They'd say, you can't shadow Weatherspoon with you can't put
Jefferson in Witherspoon locked up on Jefferson because then Addison's
gonna go field day on the rest of your secondary.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
So yeah, he's gonna get a little bit of everything.
Woll it is this weekend.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
I believe this is our guy, Travis out of the
two six one by percent points with the pathetic eight
and four record, Ah, get out of here.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Week, thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
He definitely agrees with you there, thank you man eight
and four verses twenty three and fourteen or whatever?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
What come on?
Speaker 5 (28:33):
This is from the two o six. How about European
soccer transfer fees? Teams would have to pay the other
team to sell that sell them that player. Then the
team would have to come to terms with the player themselves.
The problem with that is they're already scholargers are already crying.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
They can't get the twenty point five million they're gonna
have to take out of their own hide starting next year.
So then you're gonna add money on top of that
to sign more players. That's the problem. They're gonna go
coming to the collective into the donors asking for more money.
That way, they're already asking for money from the donors
for the twenty point five million they're supposed to be
paying out of their own revenues.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
That's another thing.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
This was supposed to come out of college athletic department's
own revenues from TV and GATE, and now they're asking
the alumni and the donors and the benefactors to put
some of that bill ticket sales, concession prices straight out donations.
That's supposed to be less money for the college athletic departments.
If Gino remains out, is tanking the best course of action? No, Again,
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We've talked about this a thousand times. The NFL player
doesn't tank because he has to get money to get
food on his table next year.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Then nothing guaranteed be on the year he's in.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's not like baseball with guaranteed contracts or the NBA
with its load management guaranteed contract The NFL player has
to perform in order to earn his money for next year,
because nothing's guaranteed except the year he's in.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
And that's why tanking doesn't exist by and large, at
least in the minds of the players.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Now, maybe the front office and the coaching staff like
the Jets who fired everybody.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
But it's so different than Donia. I covered Major League
Baseball as a beat writer for three or four years.
They did tank.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
They did think I'm going to Tahiti and I can't
wait till the season's over. The average player who doesn't
have anything guaranteed in the beyond the year he's in,
like three fourths of the Seahawks roster, they can't afford
to think that way, or else they won't have a
job next year.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Not to mention your tank, it doesn't guarantee you.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Any you're still what that means you'd be from what
instead of picking eighteenth, you picked twelfth or fifteenth.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
That's not gonna get you the quarterback. And it's not
gonna get you anything you need. I don't know right now.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
The Seahawks are in a really funny position in that regard.
But have you seen the Mary yet.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
He is in Tacoma and the Heritage Beta Chambers Beata Stillery.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
He's gonna be joining us next from there on ninety
three point three KJERFM.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Welcome back to the Greg Bells Show with Christopher Kidd.
We are now joined by the Mayor Ian Ferness. I
hope he is doing a lot better than he was
around seven thirty five. This more so, Mayor, how you feeling, man,
you're doing a little better?
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Ah? Probably not.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I'm fine.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
Let mean whatever, Listen, my emotions surrounding this dipstick aren't
gonna I got a ruin my week. Oh maybe it will,
who knows.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Don't let it do that to you, Mayor.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
Yeah, we'll see you know. But I'm a Chamber's Bay
Distillery today, So I'm happy about that. Yes, that's and
we'll tell you more about that at noon. Because it's
a great day to be down here. Holiday season. Second
year I've been down here on a in the holidays
during December. I'll tell you why. But it has a
lot to do with the golf tournament and the money
we make for Lensky's Hope. Even though my man Allen's
wearing a Helensky's Hope purple bracelet today, I'm not sure
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why he's doing that to me. I gotta talk to
the Lensky's about those color schemes. But we're we're down here.
We'll talk about that a little bit later. But yeah, man,
it's uh, it's a hard day. What were your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I was just disappointed.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
It sucks, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, I've heard him on your show, I've heard him
on other people.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
We're gonna play We're gonna play some of the hipocrips,
I mean, sound today from him at.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Oh no, you said to write the hippocraphy It's okay, Yeah, yeah,
And there was a lot of that today, and it's
it's unfortunate. You know, one quote that stands out is
we want guys that are here back in March down
to it on the station, you know, the janitor all
the way up to et cetera, et cetera. And here
we are, December eighteen, and he is, yeah, on his
way to wake Force. I know it's a great opportunity,
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but it's like, dude, I mean you just yeah, it stinks.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
I think the hard thing here, Chris is that listen,
coaches don't stay anywhere forever.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
They just don't.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
I mean, Nick Staban's probably the greatest college coach in
the history of the game, right and he coached at
what what, Alabama, Florida, I don't know, Alabama, LSU, Michigan State,
right am?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I right on that.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
I think it's close and uh and the NFL, like
guys don't stay forever. I think was disappointing is he
left for the first job, like like maybe the second
because maybe maybe he was offered.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
The other one.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Who knows, in Michigan State last year. But you know,
I think that's what's disappointing. But I don't know, buddy,
I don't know. It's tough times right now to be
a cooog, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Oh my goodness, Yeah, it's unfortunate, tough times. I'm gonna
try to be positive and hopefully the I know we
talked about this off waxed off air regarding the basketball
game tonight, and I'm like, yeah, you know, I'm at
the game, so I'll try to get me out the funk.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Go Koog's, so go Coog's.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
I'm just hoping Isaiah and Kellmey's don't try to do
too much in that game.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
You know, this is my city, I know this is
it's it's you know, like it's.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Those two guys are going to try to go bananas
and and I don't blame them, but uh yeah, that's
it's so weird because the game doesn't help.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Us at all.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
No, it's it's but it hurts us because Washington's net
ranking is so crappy. Can't we can't even we can't
lose yet. It's a road game and what will be
probably a fairly hostile environment. It's just and the way
today's going.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Rights did us a win on the basketball court.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
But you said, come on, man, let's let the sports
god smile upon us for just for a couple hours tonight, right,
could you please? Just good?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
You please?
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Good? You please.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
So you're at the Chambers Bay still the read what
else do?
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Yeah? Yeah, so we'll tell you exactly everything going on
down here in just a few minutes. But you know,
we're we're down here today for a couple big reasons,
and especially the golf tournament. But We've got a busy
day coming up today as far as the show. It's
a Wednesday, but short week for us. We have a
bowl game on Friday, so we'll get right to it.
Jake Dicker conversation early Brendon Funston. I think we're going
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to join him. He's going to join us at twelve
thirty today. We'll do a shorter stating with Funston today,
So get your text in four nine, four to five one.
It's usually Thursday. He's flying tomorrow traveling, but we've got
people wanting to get him on. So twelve thirty today,
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