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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Don't you touch that dial at seven pm on Sunday
and you're listening to the Hard Truth with John Deeton
on iHeart WRKO six eighty am. Good evening, everybody. I
got a great show planned for today. I have Diana Dezaglio,
who is the state auditor here in the Commonwealth, and
she has been trying to implement and execute your demand
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for the legislature to be audited. Where's your tax paid
dollars going. She's in a fight of her life. She's
fighting for you, and she's fighting for me. Can't wait
to get into that interview. Let's go. I have a
special guest, someone who I've described as a rock star
in Massachusetts politics. And I say that and she actually
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has a D in front of her name as a Democrat,
not a Republican. But I'm someone, as you know, who
supports the best candidate. Sometimes that's a Republican, sometimes that's
a Democrat. I have the state Auditor, Diana Dezaglio. How
are you, Diana.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I'm doing great, John, Thanks so much for the gracious
invitation to join you here today and for the encouragement
with some of the work that we've been doing in
my office.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Really appreciate the opportunity to chat a bit.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Well, listen, it's something you know. We live in Massachusetts
and it's not too often an issue comes around that
seventy two percent or above seventy percent of all voters
agree upon whether they're a Republican or Independent or a Democrat,
and auditing the state legislature seeing where taxpayer funds and
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how they're being spent is sort of a unifying theme.
I think of all voters and if you could just
describe who you are for the audience and what you
do and why you're on this mission that I support
and seventy two percent of all voters support.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Look, I served in the state legislature for ten years.
I was a state representative for six years, as a
state senator for four years, and I represented portions of
the Merrimack Valley from the Mathuan Lawrence area all the
way up to Newburyport and subsequently ended up running for
state auditor and John one of the things that people
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questioned me on when I was running for state auditor,
one of the things I got the most questions about
was whether or not, if I was elected to the
position of State Auditor, if I would actually audit the legislature.
This wasn't an idea that I came up with personally.
I think a lot of folks think that I just
sort of, you know, I was thinking about it one
day and just came up with an audit of the legislature.
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But I actually have to give credit where credit is due,
and that is to you, the residence of Massachusetts, who
brought it to my attention consistently and asked me repeatedly
when I was on the campaign trail, if you voted
for me, would I audit the state legislature? And I
made that commitment during that campaign. Subsequently, when I got
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elected at the end of twenty twenty two and then
started in the position of state Auditor at the beginning.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Three, I moved forward to fulfill that commitment to the
voters who requested that I conduct that audit, only to
be stymied by legislative leaders, namely the Speaker and the Senate.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
President, who refused to comply.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
With an audit of the state legislature and said that
they believed it was unconstitutional for an audit of how
our taxpayer dollars are being spent in the legislature to
be conducted. I took this matter to the Attorney General's office,
but the Attorney General stood up for the Speaker and
the Senate President against the audit and said that she
didn't believe that the Speaker and Senate President should have
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to comply with the audit of the state legislature that
we were seeking to conduct. So I subsequently worked with
some advocates across all political spectrums. As we're talking about
right now. You're a Republican, I'm a Democrat. I worked
with Democrats from my own party. I worked with unenrolled Screen,
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Rainbow People, Workers Party, Independence, and everybody in between alongside
Yes Republicans who all came together to stand up for
good government and get the issue of auditing the legislature
on the ballot by helping to collect over one hundred
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thousand signatures so that we could all vote on this
very non part is an issue. We might disagree on
how money is being spent, but what we all agree
on is that we want to know how the money
is being spent right so that we can make informed decisions,
and frankly, so that we can have either agreements or
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disagreements about what we think about it, but we have
to know what's going on even to have disagreements, right, John,
So you know, people came together from all political spectrum,
from across the political spectrum, and joined together to get
this issue on the ballot. The Attorney General approved this
issue going to the ballot and said that it was
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in its proper form essentially by doing so, which means
it met constitutional muster according to the AG's office. And subsequently,
after a lot of advocacy, we ended up seeing this
pass with seventy two percent of the voting population of
Massachusetts saying yes, they want an audit to be conducted
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of the state legislature by their independently elected state Auditor's office.
And we went to go proceed once again to try
to conduct this audit, only to once again get told
to pound Sand essentially that the legislative leadership team was
not willing to play ball, that they're not willing to comply,
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and that essentially they think that they're above this seventy
two percent voter approved law. Now, John, it's worth saying
that we've actually in the office of State Auditor always
conducted audits of the state legislature up until only recent
years where a few legislative leaders decided that they were
no longer going to comply with the audits that our
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office conducts of the legislature. And you know they've gotten
away with only in recent years bucking those audits by
making ridiculous excuses claiming that it's unconstitutional, claiming that audits
never conducted, gas lighting the general public essentially and telling
the general public that the over one hundred audits that
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are up on my office's website that signal and prove
that audits always were conducted, that they're basically saying that
those don't exist and that we all must be just
essentially seeing things because those audits that say legislative audits
that they're not actually audits that were conducted. They're essentially
telling us that compliance with the law is in the
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eye of the beholder.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Actually, they are.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Literally telling taxpayers that the Speaker of the House very
recently came out and said, with respect to the law,
and I quote, compliance is in the eye of the beholder.
I don't know any of us who are driving around
on the streets of Massachusetts who might.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Get pulled over our speeding and get to tell.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
The police officer who pulls us over that we believe
compliances in the eye of the beholder.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
That wouldn't work out too well for us, would it, John.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
So we have these games being played up at the
State House, and we have been doing everything that we
can to ensure that the law is enforced and are
currently trying to get access to a court to make
sure that this law is enforced and that lawmakers stop
breaking the law. But unfortunately the Attorney General has been
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unwilling to represent our office in court. And this actually
turned around and pointed the finger back at my office
and said that it's my office's fault that she will
not enforce the law as the attorney general of Massachusetts,
which has been quite a challenge to address since you know,
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not a lot of people you know, necessarily know about
the inner workings of the Auditor's office. But we actually
can't in the auditor's office force compliance with any of
the audits that we conduct. We can take them out
of a court. We can try to enforce the law
that way, but we are required by law to be
represented by the Attorney General's office when an agency or
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department refuses to cooperate. So because the legislatures refusing to cooperate.
We have been practically begging the Attorney General to come
up with the legal aspects of the you know argument
here to be able to sue them into compliance. She
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has essentially turned back at our office and said that
I should be the one to come up with the
legal analysis to take them to court. I have spoken
back to her in a senttally said, with all due respect,
I'm not an attorney.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I don't have a law degree. I am the State Auditor.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I ran for it to be the State auditor and
not the Attorney General for a reason, and that's because
my skill set aligns with this position and not with
the position of Attorney General.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And the Attorney General's office is the people. They're the
people's attorneys.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
It's their job to help us to come up with
the legal strategy and to help enforce the law. I
can't imagine that the Attorney General's office, you know, really
really thinks that when people call them for assistance, that they,
you know, would would expect that people would appreciate them
turning back on residents of the Commonwealth every time they
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got a call, and for those residents to be told
that unless they come up with their own legal strategy,
and unless less they can essentially represent themselves that they're
not going to get any assistance from the Attorney General's office,
that would kind of make the Attorney General's office really unnecessary.
Right so, they're there to help enforce the law law,
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but they are refusing to do so right now. And
we understand that, you know, maybe the Attorney General feels
as though, you know, this is something that she doesn't
want to do, or that this creates challenges and headaches
for her and for her office. And if that's the case,
all we're asking is that the Attorney General allow us
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to get our own attorney so that we can still
go to court. We are asking that she do her
job in representing us, but since she's pretty much made
it clear that she's unwilling to do so, we do
need her to at least allow us to get our
own attorney so that we can get access to court.
But even then, John, we have seen no such luck.
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The Attorney General is not granting us permission to get
our own attorney, and we do believe that the goal
overall at the State House is to keep us from
being able to access a court of law, so that
we can get this matter adjudicated.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
We do believe that, you know, everything.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's happening essentially seems to be meant to keep us
out of the courtroom so that the law can continue
to be broken and nobody's held accountable for breaking the law.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
So is Andrea Campbell's position. And we're going to talk
more specific and we're going to get into after the
break a little more in detail. But is it basically
saying that you haven't provided a good legal theory? Is
that her position? Or is she also saying that all
of a sudden it's not constitutional and agreeing with the legislature.
But when we come back, we're going to unpack this.
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Hard Truthshow dot com. That's John at Hard Truth Show
dot com. John at Hard Truthshow dot com. Welcome back
to the show. I'm John Dean, and you're listening to
the Hard Truth on IHEARTWRKO, and I am with Diana Dezaglio,
the State Auditor. Listen, those first segment went by fast.
I want to ask you some specific questions. So let's
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let's just recap so the audience fully understands. When you
ran for auditor, people wanted you to audit the state legislature.
See where our money's going, so then then we can
have legitimate debates of how that money should be spent.
You they say no, that it's unconstitutional, and that's the
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Speaker of the House of the on the the Speaker
of the House, and the Senate President Karen Spilkem. They
say it's unconstitutional. You go to the Attorney General, you
get it on the ballot. The Attorney General blesses it
for the ballot initiative, says it's proper, says it's constitutional basic.
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You then get seventy two percent of the voters who
want this audit. You go back to the state legislature,
said listen to people have spoken. They say no, pound
saying you go back to Andrea Campbell, the Attorney General
of Massachusetts, and says, look, they won't do it. I
need you to represent me in court, and she says no,
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even though she originally blessed it. So I have to
imagine that your basically summation that they're just trying to
prevent this audit and prevent you from having access to
the court.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
He is alluding to her potential thoughts that some things
may be constitutional, essentially, you know, muddying the waters on
this issue. Publicly before, she has stated that lawmakers should
follow the law. So essentially, you know, my request has
been Look, all we're asking for is financial documents and
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state contracts, and certainly, Madam Attorney General, we should both
be able to agree that those that a review of
those documents has nothing to do with the inner workings
of you know, legislative business. It's not infringing upon their
ability to operate as the legislature.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
It has nothing to do.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
With a separation of powers, which would be you know,
only really if our office went in and sat in
the position of a legislator and tried to exercise the
authority of a legislator. You know, we have no desire
to do that. I actually was a legislator for ten years.
Not interested in going back not interested in exercising the
power of a legislator really ever again in that capacity.
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So you know, we have no interest in exercising the
power of the legislature. We have an interest in reviewing
financial documents and state contracts to make sure that the
law has been being followed and that our taxpayer dollars
are being spent appropriately. But the Attorney General is basically
saying back to us that she still does not have
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the information that she needs to be able to enforce
the law, even though we have repeatedly told her and
her team the scope of the audit.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
We have said, these are the documents.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That we want to look for for the purposes of
this current audit. What she's asking John is essentially and
I heard the Attorney General on I think it was
GBH with Jim and.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Marjorie and you know, on that show.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I believe you know, she said something to the effect
of her needing to know what any future audit could
potentially look at before she's willing to represent.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Our audit and to you know, our audit in court.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
And to that, I say, you know, with all due respect,
I don't have a crystal ball. I'm not a psychic
I can't tell DAG or anybody else what some future
potential audit might seek to examine, and that's not appropriate.
That's not an appropriate question to be asking our office.
What could some future potential auditor choose.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
To look at.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I can't answer for a future elected official. I also
can't answer for what the situation might call for in
the future. I can only speak to what we are
doing currently and the law that we're trying to currently
make sure is enforced, and what we're currently trying to examine,
and nothing that we are examining could even come close
to being viewed as being unconstitutional. And I think the
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Attorney General's Office knows that John, and I think that's
why they don't want to allow us to go to court,
is because.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
They know very well that nothing about what we're.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Seeking to examine could cross the line of being unconstitutional.
So I think that the goal is to keep us
out of court, and that's why I'm asking for us
to be allowed to get our own attorney.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You said that publicly that this whole mission of the
audit is about transparency and accountability. Can you give in
a couple examples of what you're really looking for?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yes, so essentially, look, people have been fed up with
the lack of transparency up on Beacon Hill within the
state legislature, specifically due to the fact that the state
legislature doesn't have to follow the same laws that they
impose on other entities across the Commonwealth. For example, every
city in town in the Commonwealth does have to follow
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the open meeting law, every city in town in the
Commonwealth has to follow the public records law.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Folks have recently learned that not only has our.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Legislature been frequently ranked as the least transparent and least
accessible state legislature in the entire nation, but that they
were also ranked as the least effective state legislature in
the entire nation last year or so.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
So folks are fed up.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
They want answers, they want access, and they want to
know that their tax fair dollars are being spent appropriately.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And just one of the ways that.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
We can make sure that that's happening is through this
audit of the state legislature. This is one of many
things that needs to happen up on Beacon Hell to
help to shine a light on what's going on behind
those closed doors.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So our office is trying to conduct an audit.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
We're trying to look at taxpayer dollars, how they're being spent,
get access to the receipts, the documents, and the state
contracts within the state legislative body that is being refused
to us. And when they refuse access to the state
Auditor's office, they're refusing access to the taxpayer. So we
are fighting to make sure that we can get access
to those documents so that we can make them public.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
For all of you.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, absolutely, listen, and I'm just going to offer this.
You don't need to respond to it, but I want
you to know that I and I'm not looking for
fees or anything. I will step in and do anything
I can. The Deep Law Firm I sued the federal
government and a rid of mandamus against the SEC. I
think there's a case, Diana that's ripe to sue. Andrea
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Campbell Listen, she's got no problem suing. And my audience
knows some of them are very disappointed. And I'm not
a Trump guy, all right, but she's sued twelve times
already the Trump administration. Maybe she should spend a little
time on the state that she resides and that she
serves and honor the voters and implement that. But you know,
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I believe as a lawyer, the next move is to
sue the Attorney General with a ridoman damis that says, look,
you're not doing your job, So you're asking a judge
to force her to either represent you or allow you
to seek counsel of your own choosing or the choosing
of the people. And so do you think that's a
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possibility or you're not in a position to really get
into that right now.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You know, I think that most people agree that the
AG's office can do more than one thing at a time,
right I think even the AG's office acknowledges that they
can do.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
More than one thing at a time.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
And we are simply saying, look, as you pursue justice
on other matters for the residents of the Commonwealth, that
you also pursue justice for the residents of the Commonwealth
on this very important matter. And you know, we understand
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that there are other things going on that the Attorney
General might you know, view as taking precedent. Okay, but
that doesn't mean that we should be blocked from getting
access to court, which is really what's happening, John, Really,
that's what's happening. Okay, So you know, we understand that,
you know, if the Attorney General's Office, you know, needs
additional information in some cases, you know that it might
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we might not be able to get access to a
courtroom immediately.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
But it's been several months now. There's over one hundred and.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Fifty pages of communications between my office and the Office
of ag and we can't even get the Attorney General's
Office to state that they believe that the legislature should
follow the law and that at least financial documents should
be made available to the Office of State Auditor while
we're looking.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Into some other issues.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Those are some really basic things that we would expect
the Attorney General's Office to be able to admit to,
you know, that lawmakers should follow the audit law, that
the Attorney General's Office stands with the audit law, that
they're going to make a commitment to represent the people,
that they might just be looking into some details, but
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that they are going to fully stand with the people,
that they are going to bring the legislature.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
To court if they don't comply with the law. But
they're not saying that.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
What they're saying is well, you know, you know, we
are upset with the Auditor's office because the Auditor's office
is and giving us what we need to be able
to do our jobs, and that's just not correct.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
And I think people see through that, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So you know, as much as I always appreciate seeing
the creative ways that Beacon Hill leaders can come up
with to blame my office for their inaction, the reality
is is that the voters are smarter than that, and
they know very well that I am not the attorney
for the Commonwealth. I have a psychology and Spanish degree.
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I try to use it as often as I can to,
you know, assist with the work that I do at
the State House. But I am not an attorney, and
my office's job is to audit and the AG's office's
job is to enforce the law. And if the law
is being broken, the only office that can make sure
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that it starts to get followed is the office of
the Attorney General's office. So if there's anything that the
AG needs in order to be able to enforce this law,
I've made all of our communications with the AG's office
about this matter public so that people can see what
she's been asking for. What they still feel they need
access to, because frankly, nothing we say or do is
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going to be sufficient for the Attorney General in terms of,
you know, getting action to be able to allow us
to get access to that courtroom. So I'm asking for
your assistance, for the assistance of any resident out there
who wants to ensure that.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
This gets taken to court.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
When you go online, you know, search for the one
hundred and fifty pages there of communications between me and
the Attorney General. Peruse as you see fit, look at
some of their questions, and if you can help us
to answer the Attorney General, you know, and to get
her access to things that she feels she needs access
to in order to be able to enforce the law.
Please send it to the Office of the Age, and hopefully,
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you know, at bare minimum, hopefully the Attorney General will
at least allow us to get our own attorney so
that we can bring this matter to court instead of
continuing to block our access to court.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Absolutely listen, if Adria Campbell needs it, I'll write the
damn brief for her. But the fact that you were
determined to see this through and implement and execute the
will the people just shows you what an honorable person
you are. Thank you so much for being on the show.
Amount of time it took you over your limit. I
know you're busy.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Thanks John, I appreciate coming on. It's always chat.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Absolutely have a great day. That is Diana Desaglia, the
State auditor out there doing the job of the people.
Thank you. Welcome back to the Hard Truth. This is
John Deaton. You're listening to WRKO. We're going to get
to some emails, and this email is from Greg Greg
from Worcester, who writes, John, why the hell should anyone
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listen to you? You're a never Trumper, just another rhino,
and there's no difference between you or Ed Marky. Greg.
I'm not going to try to change your mind. You
have the right to think how you want to think.
You're the right to vote how you want to vote.
And I've touched on this subject and I even address
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this in a speech that I'm going to play for
the audience. But let me make something clear. If you
take the position that because I didn't support President Trump
as a candidate and that I'm not a big Trump guy,
that that means that I'm no different than Ed Markey
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than my friend. You're a moron, and that's just the truth.
I gotta tell you the truth. The show is called
The Hard Truth, and the hard truth is that you're
likely an idiot because Ed Markey supports the Green New
Deal and he supports all these alternative energy mandates that
are crushing working people on their electric bills. They're being
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charged for solar or when when they have nothing to
do with it. I don't support that. Ed Markey has
never supported border security. He wants all these illegals to
come here and we just turn them into citizens and
let them vote. I support zero tolerance for illegal immigration.
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Ed Markey supports biological men competing against women in sports.
I got three daughters. I don't support that nonsense. So
this position that I'm no different than Ed Markey because
you view me as a rhino, or because you don't
like that I didn't vote for your guy, I call
it the moron test. That if you feel that way,
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that I need you to go look in the mirror
and if you see a reflection, you might be a moron.
You're part of the problem. Listen, if we don't get
a seat at the table, if we only allow the
Democrats and the far left radicals to run this state
for another twenty years and no one with common sense,
who has some conservative principles does not get a seat
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at the table. Then Massachusetts is a lost cause because
right now they wake up and they can they do
away with mother and father on birth certificates and nothing
can be done. They can create new gun laws that
de facto ban basically the Second Amendment and your Second
Amendment rights, and there's nothing we can do about it.
But it's people like you, Greg and Worcester who sit
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there and say, oh, just because he didn't bow down
and support the one guy that I support, therefore he's
no different than Ed Marky or Elizabeth Warren. That's just
a stupid approach. So I'm gonna play a speech I
gave at the Lincoln Reagan dinner or May third, addressing
this division. And I want you to forget for a
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minute that that speech is coming from me. All Right,
if you don't like me or you don't care about me,
that's fine, but listen to it and then tell me
what part of that speech that you actually disagree with,
because I don't think you can. I think if you
listen to what I'm about to say, then you'll have
to agree because it's pure common sense. So here is
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the speech. I hope you enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Good evening everyone, It's great to see some familiar faces.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
I got to give a shout out to the Golf
of Waymouth wherever you are.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Listen. Those that know me know I'm not.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Going to have a problem being blunt and keeping it
real tonight. And that's because we got a serious problem
in Massachusetts. Families cannot afford homes, young people can't move out,
retirees are forced to leave. It takes two or three
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jobs for some folks just to keep the lights on.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
And it's not just about bad policy.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
It's a betrayal of what Massachusetts represents. We're the cradle
of liberty, man the birthplace of freedom and the American Revolution,
a place where someone like me, born into poverty, surrounded
by drugs and violence, can still achieve the American dream.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
But we can't fix it because we don't win.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Every statewide, state wide and federal office in Massachusetts occupied
by far left radicals, radicals who favor illegal migrants over
combat vets. A governor who spends billions on these illegals,
but said there's no money to save a hospital for
the folks who've been here all their lives. I'm telling you,
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these people have lost the plot. They're trying to ban
plastic grocery bags at a time where people can't afford
the groceries in the bags, or electric cars on workers
who can't afford a charging station or the time to
wait for one as they sit in traffic off the
pike because the tea's a mess.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
And what's their solution?
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Raised taxes millionaires, tax, candy tax, prescription tax. Have you
heard about the surcharge on the car tax? That's right,
they're taxing taxes now. But potholes aren't fixed, rents aren't
coming down.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
And these an education today?
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Our kids face social emotional learning now.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
I gotta admit it sounds.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Kind of nice, but how about just.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Teach math reading a science healthcare?
Speaker 5 (30:02):
A pregnant woman living in parts of central Massachusetts has
to drive forty minutes to give birth. A fisherman in
Gloucester waits months for an appointment, but premium sore.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
And energy policy, my god, they.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Shut down nuclear, ban new gas pipelines, and force alternative
energy mandates that are crushing working people and preventing affordable
housing in the middle of an affordable housing crisis. I'm
telling you these people, they preach green and fly private,
and they're so arrogant because they've been in charge so long.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
They won't allow an audit that seventy two percent of
the voters demanded be the law. That's not democracy, that's
one party rule.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Giving the middle finger to the people they represent, and
talk about arrogance.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Eighty year old Ed Markey running again. Look I'm not
a young man by any.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Standard, but when Ed Markey first went to Washington, DC,
I was nine, the Red Sox were cursed and tickets
were a dollar twenty five at thinway. This guy has
been in Washington so long. He was actually there when
Democrats were against foreign wars, fought for free speech, and
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even waved American flags. This guy preaches the green New Deal,
votes against border security every time, and cheers biological men
competing against women just to score points with the woke elite.
That's not leadership. That's a disgrace. But the more important
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that's them.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
That's them. The most important question here tonight is who
are we.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
We're the party in Lincoln and Reagan, the namesake of
Tonight's dinner. We must be a voice for the forgotten,
a party of common sense and opportunity.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
You know, my daughters asked me, Dad, Dad, why why
a Republican?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I said.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
The answers written in history, beginning with the Republican by
the name of Abraham Lincoln who freed the slaves, shattering
the chains of bondage and oppression.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
It was Calvin Coolidge.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
A Massachusetts Republican, who stood.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Up in the nineteen twenties demanded federal laws to stop
lynchings after the tuls of Massacre. It was Teddy Roosevelt
who bust the trust taking on oil bearings and railroad.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Tycoons so small businesses could thrive.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Republicans drove the Civil Rights Act of eighteen sixty six,
and the nineteen sixty four Act passed with more GOP
votes than Democrats.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
It was Dwight Eisenhower who sent THEE hundred.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
First the Airborn the Little Rock to open schools for
black kids. And it was Ronald Reagan who gave amnesty
to three million immigrants, bringing.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Them out from the shadows, long before.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
The Democrats overwhelmed this country with their border chaos, making
a gesture like that today impossible. Republicans standing for the forgotten,
and it was the forgotten that helped President Trump win Massachusetts.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
We must learn from that election.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Massachusetts is the second best state President Trump.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Improved over twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
You want to know why that is because of forgotten
voters like the ones in Fall River.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
In't that right? Share Tom? But here's the hard truth.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
People, we don't have a seat at the table. We
don't have a seat at the table. You want to
know why. Because we tear each other apart, Maga versus rhinos,
purest versus pragmatists, perfect over good. Infighting is a luxury
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we just don't have in Massachusetts because while we argue
over who's conservative enough, Democrats win. Now, I'm not talking
about primary battles. I'm not talking about primary battles. That's healthy,
that's gonna happen. Heck, we might see a preview here tonight.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Okay, but we have to come together.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
We agree on more than we disagree.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
We believe in lower taxes so working families can keep
more of what they earn. We believe unless government overreach,
so small businesses could thrive and parents can raise their
kids it's their way. We believe in law and order,
school choice, innovation in a country where hard work still matters.
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That's not a Maga platform, that's not a Rhino platform.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
That's an American platform. And that's how we win. That's
how we win.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
We gotta knock on every single door, not just the
folks who agree with us. Listen to the mom worried
about rent, the dad fed up with energy prices, the
worker tired to see at his job leave the state.
People are not looking for ideology, They're looking for solutions,
and we have them. Tax relief, deregulation, school choice, common sense,
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energy policy, innovation, real economic growth. We just got to
stop bickering long enough, deliver that message, and we win.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Massachusetts is not a lost cause, it's not too blue
to save.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
We win by solving problems for regular people, and together, united,
we can make Massachusetts affordabar again.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Thank you, God bless everyone in here.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Welcome back to the Hard Truth. I'm John Deaton. Listen.
I told you when I started this show that there
were going to be times when I would say positive
things about President Trump or his initiatives, and there would
be times when I would give you the hard truth,
and if I disagreed with those initiatives or plans. I
(36:32):
would call that out. And I think conservatives out there
have to distinguish between when you call something out that
President Trump may be behind that violates your conservative principles,
are you going to not call it out? You know,
(36:53):
you have to decide are you a conservative Republican or
are you just a Trump supporter. I will continue to
give President Trump credit for example the border security. He's
reduced illegal crossings by ninety eight percent. That is fantastic.
The southern border has never been more secure. Many of
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you who voted for President Trump, that was the number
one issue because we know it's bankrupting Massachusetts, so he
deserves credit. Biden was full of crap when he said
that he needed a piece of paper from Congress in
order to secure the border. Okay, but there going to
be times when you don't support President Trump's plans or
(37:37):
initiatives if they go against fundamental conservativism. Now we talked
about the Big Beautiful Bill. That's one issue. If the
bill increases the deficit by five trillion dollars, I would
not support it. I have a six year old. I
am absolutely terrified for my six year old and my
(37:59):
twenty five year old, my twenty three year old. We
are robbing them of their future prosperity because we are
becoming slaves to debt. The system of government is debt slavery.
Even Elon Musk is calling this stuff out now, and
that doesn't mean that, Oh, you can't just dismiss what
(38:20):
I'm saying. Oh he's an never Trumper, so I'm not
going to pay attention to what he says. That's nonsense.
You're smarter than that. So listen. An executive order came
out that's not getting talked about enough, and we got
to talk about it. And that's the executive order where
President Trump is creating and he's using the company Pallenteer
(38:41):
to create a centralized federal database that mandates every federal
agency to share unclassified information with all other agencies. And
he tasked this company called Pallenteer to be the primary
vendor to the government. Now. Palenteer was co founded by
(39:06):
Peter Thiel Okay, who has been partners with Elon Musk.
And I think it came about through the Doze initiative
because it's a process where they're like, oh, we got
to come up with a way that helps eliminate fraud, waste,
and abuse. We also need something to help with deportations
(39:27):
and finding where these illegal immigrants are. And that's all fine,
those are great goals to have. But this Paleer Corporation,
this company, they have software that uses AI and we're
talking about now a centralized database that has every American
(39:48):
who's living here profiled in it, and we're going to
talk about that now. They're using this executive order and
Palenteer to make all the agencies cooperate because they want
to basically eliminate information silos and they want to combat fraud, waste,
and abuse. So Pallunteer is going to implement this executive
(40:11):
Order through their software platforms called Foundry and Gotham. I
got to tell you just the titles alone, Foundry, the Foundry,
Gotham sounds like something I don't want to be a
part of, if you want me to be honest. But basically,
every agency we're talking about, the IRS, Department of Homeland Security,
(40:33):
Social Security Administration, every agency is going to share all
personal sensitive information of Americans and they're going to be
able to cross reference this information in real time using
artificial intelligence. So anything you do can be used. We're
(40:54):
talking about credit card information also being gathered, and this
Foundry application it organizes and analyzes and cross references for example,
your immigration status, all your medical records, student loan debt,
basically detailed citizen profiles, detailed citizen profiles of everyone in America. Listen,
(41:24):
that sounds a lot like Big Brother to me. I
would encourage you to pick up George Orwell's nineteen eighty
four and review it because this stuff is scary. Okay,
you're going to be able. And they're saying, well, we
need to use it for law enforcement. It will enhance
law enforcement. We'll be able to find illegal migrants from
(41:47):
their immediate location when they use their phone apps or
their credit cards or they book a train, Okay, And
so that's some scary stuff. All these agencies sharing all
their information creates citizen profile. That Gotham program from Pallunteer
basically works with the CIA. Pallenteer many believe was created
(42:10):
in part by the CIA, and so you're talking about
the CIA, military FBI. It is basically unprecedented tracking. So
imagine when you're like watching movies like Mission Impossible and
you see them immediately tracking people where they are at
real time using the cameras and all that. That's where
(42:32):
we're headed, right, there's some serious risk here. We're talking
about government overreach, invasion of privacy, things that we've got
to be concerned about as Americans. I mean, I got
to tell you something. I mean, listen, we know that
at the same time that President Trump is talking about
(42:56):
the weaponization of the agencies, and we have witness that.
You have to understand President Trump will not always be
in office. So if you support President Trump, you have
to realize the man is in his eighties, this is
his last term. He can't run again, and at some
(43:16):
point in time there's going to be another president, and
that president could be a Democrat. That president could be,
you know, someone who's very left the way you think,
left the way you think, but not in a little way,
in a big way. I mean, we've seen situations where
federal agencies target Americans. Do you remember how the IRS
(43:39):
was targeting members of the Tea Party and all of
a sudden, members of the Tea Party conservatives were getting
audits by the IRS much more disproportionate to the regular population.
I mean, if you have a business and you're engaging
with the Securities Exchange Commission, or the Commodity's Futures Trade Commission,
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or the EPA or every other department education, We could
go on and on. They're going to build this database
that basically has your name right on a thumb drive
at everything we know about you, how you donate to entities.
(44:23):
Remember when I said that when Elizabeth Warren wanted to
ban bitcoin because she supported a central bank digital currency
that the Federal Reserve would issued and they'd be able
to control your money. Well, this is the similar kind
of threat basically, because now they will be able to
track everything you do in your life. That is not
(44:47):
the America that I want to live then, and so
you know, but there'll be people like me who call
this out and then they'll be discredited because oh it's
just a rhino or it's just another Trumper, and because
Trump's behind it. Listen, Trump can make mistakes, the man
is human, but they can misuse this. Okay, your firearm purchases,
(45:13):
think about that, how you spend your money, your political donations,
your life. In a click, we're going to click on
to John Deaton and now we're going to have all
this profile on everything John Daton does. Or does every
app that he's downloaded on his phone. Okay, that's what
(45:36):
we're talking about. That's not the America that I want
to live in. That is this executive order in implementing
what President Trump is having Pallunteer implement. It may have
good intentions, don't get me wrong, but you know, the
path to Hell was paved with good intentions, and the
(45:57):
Patriot Act it had good intentions. Right, we're talking about
nine eleven. We're talking about terrorism, but look how abusive
it can be. Conservatives believe in less federal government. That
is a core principle of conservatism. Right. You believe that
(46:17):
the federal government should stay out of your life as
much as possible, that the federal government should be lean
and small as much as possible. So I don't want
to give the federal government more power over my life.
I don't want to give them an ability to surveil
(46:37):
me any more than they already do. So I am completely, wholeheartedly,
one hundred percent against Palunteer and the centralized database where
all these federal agencies are going to coordinate and they're
using artificial intelligence to do it. I don't want a profile.
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I don't want the federal gover to know anything about me.
I want to pay my taxes and be left alone.
And I don't want them having a file on me
or my family, my children, or anyone else. And I
don't want them having a file on you. It's not
the America that I want to live in. And so
you know, i'd encourage you to look into it. If
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you don't agree with it, after you look into it,
contact your congressman, contact your senator. Express your discontent for this,
because this is a real threat to American freedom as
far as I'm concerned. The hard truth is paid for
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Don't you touch that dial at seven pm on Sunday
and you're listening to the Hard Truth with John Deeton
on iHeart WRKO six eighty am. Good evening, everybody. I
got a great show planned for today. I have Diana Dezaglio,
who is the state auditor here in the Commonwealth, and
she has been trying to implement and execute your demand
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for the legislature to be audited. Where's your tax paid
dollars going. She's in a fight of her life. She's
fighting for you, and she's fighting for me. Can't wait
to get into that interview. Let's go. I have a
special guest, someone who I've described as a rock star
in Massachusetts politics. And I say that and she actually
(00:45):
has a D in front of her name as a Democrat,
not a Republican. But I'm someone, as you know, who
supports the best candidate. Sometimes that's a Republican, sometimes that's
a Democrat. I have the state Auditor, Diana Dezaglio. How
are you, Diana.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I'm doing great, John, Thanks so much for the gracious
invitation to join you here today and for the encouragement
with some of the work that we've been doing in
my office.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Really appreciate the opportunity to chat a bit.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Well, listen, it's something you know. We live in Massachusetts
and it's not too often an issue comes around that
seventy two percent or above seventy percent of all voters
agree upon whether they're a Republican or Independent or a Democrat,
and auditing the state legislature seeing where taxpayer funds and
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how they're being spent is sort of a unifying theme.
I think of all voters and if you could just
describe who you are for the audience and what you
do and why you're on this mission that I support
and seventy two percent of all voters support.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Look, I served in the state legislature for ten years.
I was a state representative for six years, as a
state senator for four years, and I represented portions of
the Merrimack Valley from the Mathuan Lawrence area all the
way up to Newburyport and subsequently ended up running for
state auditor and John one of the things that people
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questioned me on when I was running for state auditor,
one of the things I got the most questions about
was whether or not, if I was elected to the
position of State Auditor, if I would actually audit the legislature.
This wasn't an idea that I came up with personally.
I think a lot of folks think that I just
sort of, you know, I was thinking about it one
day and just came up with an audit of the legislature.
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But I actually have to give credit where credit is due,
and that is to you, the residence of Massachusetts, who
brought it to my attention consistently and asked me repeatedly
when I was on the campaign trail, if you voted
for me, would I audit the state legislature? And I
made that commitment during that campaign. Subsequently, when I got
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elected at the end of twenty twenty two and then
started in the position of state Auditor at the beginning.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Three, I moved forward to fulfill that commitment to the
voters who requested that I conduct that audit, only to
be stymied by legislative leaders, namely the Speaker and the Senate.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
President, who refused to comply.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
With an audit of the state legislature and said that
they believed it was unconstitutional for an audit of how
our taxpayer dollars are being spent in the legislature to
be conducted. I took this matter to the Attorney General's office,
but the Attorney General stood up for the Speaker and
the Senate President against the audit and said that she
didn't believe that the Speaker and Senate President should have
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to comply with the audit of the state legislature that
we were seeking to conduct. So I subsequently worked with
some advocates across all political spectrums. As we're talking about
right now. You're a Republican, I'm a Democrat. I worked
with Democrats from my own party. I worked with unenrolled Screen,
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Rainbow People, Workers Party, Independence, and everybody in between alongside
Yes Republicans who all came together to stand up for
good government and get the issue of auditing the legislature
on the ballot by helping to collect over one hundred
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thousand signatures so that we could all vote on this
very non part is an issue. We might disagree on
how money is being spent, but what we all agree
on is that we want to know how the money
is being spent right so that we can make informed decisions,
and frankly, so that we can have either agreements or
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disagreements about what we think about it, but we have
to know what's going on even to have disagreements, right, John,
So you know, people came together from all political spectrum,
from across the political spectrum, and joined together to get
this issue on the ballot. The Attorney General approved this
issue going to the ballot and said that it was
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in its proper form essentially by doing so, which means
it met constitutional muster according to the AG's office. And subsequently,
after a lot of advocacy, we ended up seeing this
pass with seventy two percent of the voting population of
Massachusetts saying yes, they want an audit to be conducted
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of the state legislature by their independently elected state Auditor's office.
And we went to go proceed once again to try
to conduct this audit, only to once again get told
to pound Sand essentially that the legislative leadership team was
not willing to play ball, that they're not willing to comply,
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and that essentially they think that they're above this seventy
two percent voter approved law. Now, John, it's worth saying
that we've actually in the office of State Auditor always
conducted audits of the state legislature up until only recent
years where a few legislative leaders decided that they were
no longer going to comply with the audits that our
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office conducts of the legislature. And you know they've gotten
away with only in recent years bucking those audits by
making ridiculous excuses claiming that it's unconstitutional, claiming that audits
never conducted, gas lighting the general public essentially and telling
the general public that the over one hundred audits that
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are up on my office's website that signal and prove
that audits always were conducted, that they're basically saying that
those don't exist and that we all must be just
essentially seeing things because those audits that say legislative audits
that they're not actually audits that were conducted. They're essentially
telling us that compliance with the law is in the
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eye of the beholder.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Actually, they are.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Literally telling taxpayers that the Speaker of the House very
recently came out and said, with respect to the law,
and I quote, compliance is in the eye of the beholder.
I don't know any of us who are driving around
on the streets of Massachusetts who might.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Get pulled over our speeding and get to tell.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
The police officer who pulls us over that we believe
compliances in the eye of the beholder.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
That wouldn't work out too well for us, would it, John.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
So we have these games being played up at the
State House, and we have been doing everything that we
can to ensure that the law is enforced and are
currently trying to get access to a court to make
sure that this law is enforced and that lawmakers stop
breaking the law. But unfortunately the Attorney General has been
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unwilling to represent our office in court. And this actually
turned around and pointed the finger back at my office
and said that it's my office's fault that she will
not enforce the law as the attorney general of Massachusetts,
which has been quite a challenge to address since you know,
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not a lot of people you know, necessarily know about
the inner workings of the Auditor's office. But we actually
can't in the auditor's office force compliance with any of
the audits that we conduct. We can take them out
of a court. We can try to enforce the law
that way, but we are required by law to be
represented by the Attorney General's office when an agency or
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department refuses to cooperate. So because the legislatures refusing to cooperate.
We have been practically begging the Attorney General to come
up with the legal aspects of the you know argument
here to be able to sue them into compliance. She
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has essentially turned back at our office and said that
I should be the one to come up with the
legal analysis to take them to court. I have spoken
back to her in a senttally said, with all due respect,
I'm not an attorney.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I don't have a law degree. I am the State Auditor.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I ran for it to be the State auditor and
not the Attorney General for a reason, and that's because
my skill set aligns with this position and not with
the position of Attorney General.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And the Attorney General's office is the people. They're the
people's attorneys.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
It's their job to help us to come up with
the legal strategy and to help enforce the law. I
can't imagine that the Attorney General's office, you know, really
really thinks that when people call them for assistance, that they,
you know, would would expect that people would appreciate them
turning back on residents of the Commonwealth every time they
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got a call, and for those residents to be told
that unless they come up with their own legal strategy,
and unless less they can essentially represent themselves that they're
not going to get any assistance from the Attorney General's office,
that would kind of make the Attorney General's office really unnecessary.
Right so, they're there to help enforce the law law,
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but they are refusing to do so right now. And
we understand that, you know, maybe the Attorney General feels
as though, you know, this is something that she doesn't
want to do, or that this creates challenges and headaches
for her and for her office. And if that's the case,
all we're asking is that the Attorney General allow us
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to get our own attorney so that we can still
go to court. We are asking that she do her
job in representing us, but since she's pretty much made
it clear that she's unwilling to do so, we do
need her to at least allow us to get our
own attorney so that we can get access to court.
But even then, John, we have seen no such luck.
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The Attorney General is not granting us permission to get
our own attorney, and we do believe that the goal
overall at the State House is to keep us from
being able to access a court of law, so that
we can get this matter adjudicated.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
We do believe that, you know, everything.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's happening essentially seems to be meant to keep us
out of the courtroom so that the law can continue
to be broken and nobody's held accountable for breaking the law.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
So is Andrea Campbell's position. And we're going to talk
more specific and we're going to get into after the
break a little more in detail. But is it basically
saying that you haven't provided a good legal theory? Is
that her position? Or is she also saying that all
of a sudden it's not constitutional and agreeing with the legislature.
But when we come back, we're going to unpack this.
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I'm with Diana Desaglio, the state auditor, who's on a
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Hard Truthshow dot com. That's John at Hard Truth Show
dot com. John at Hard Truthshow dot com. Welcome back
to the show. I'm John Dean, and you're listening to
the Hard Truth on IHEARTWRKO, and I am with Diana Dezaglio,
the State Auditor. Listen, those first segment went by fast.
I want to ask you some specific questions. So let's
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let's just recap so the audience fully understands. When you
ran for auditor, people wanted you to audit the state legislature.
See where our money's going, so then then we can
have legitimate debates of how that money should be spent.
You they say no, that it's unconstitutional, and that's the
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Speaker of the House of the on the the Speaker
of the House, and the Senate President Karen Spilkem. They
say it's unconstitutional. You go to the Attorney General, you
get it on the ballot. The Attorney General blesses it
for the ballot initiative, says it's proper, says it's constitutional basic.
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You then get seventy two percent of the voters who
want this audit. You go back to the state legislature,
said listen to people have spoken. They say no, pound
saying you go back to Andrea Campbell, the Attorney General
of Massachusetts, and says, look, they won't do it. I
need you to represent me in court, and she says no,
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even though she originally blessed it. So I have to
imagine that your basically summation that they're just trying to
prevent this audit and prevent you from having access to
the court.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
He is alluding to her potential thoughts that some things
may be constitutional, essentially, you know, muddying the waters on
this issue. Publicly before, she has stated that lawmakers should
follow the law. So essentially, you know, my request has
been Look, all we're asking for is financial documents and
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state contracts, and certainly, Madam Attorney General, we should both
be able to agree that those that a review of
those documents has nothing to do with the inner workings
of you know, legislative business. It's not infringing upon their
ability to operate as the legislature.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
It has nothing to do.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
With a separation of powers, which would be you know,
only really if our office went in and sat in
the position of a legislator and tried to exercise the
authority of a legislator. You know, we have no desire
to do that. I actually was a legislator for ten years.
Not interested in going back not interested in exercising the
power of a legislator really ever again in that capacity.
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So you know, we have no interest in exercising the
power of the legislature. We have an interest in reviewing
financial documents and state contracts to make sure that the
law has been being followed and that our taxpayer dollars
are being spent appropriately. But the Attorney General is basically
saying back to us that she still does not have
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the information that she needs to be able to enforce
the law, even though we have repeatedly told her and
her team the scope of the audit.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
We have said, these are the documents.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That we want to look for for the purposes of
this current audit. What she's asking John is essentially and
I heard the Attorney General on I think it was
GBH with Jim and.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Marjorie and you know, on that show.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I believe you know, she said something to the effect
of her needing to know what any future audit could
potentially look at before she's willing to represent.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Our audit and to you know, our audit in court.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
And to that, I say, you know, with all due respect,
I don't have a crystal ball. I'm not a psychic
I can't tell DAG or anybody else what some future
potential audit might seek to examine, and that's not appropriate.
That's not an appropriate question to be asking our office.
What could some future potential auditor choose.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
To look at.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I can't answer for a future elected official. I also
can't answer for what the situation might call for in
the future. I can only speak to what we are
doing currently and the law that we're trying to currently
make sure is enforced, and what we're currently trying to examine,
and nothing that we are examining could even come close
to being viewed as being unconstitutional. And I think the
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Attorney General's Office knows that John, and I think that's
why they don't want to allow us to go to court,
is because.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
They know very well that nothing about what we're.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Seeking to examine could cross the line of being unconstitutional.
So I think that the goal is to keep us
out of court, and that's why I'm asking for us
to be allowed to get our own attorney.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You said that publicly that this whole mission of the
audit is about transparency and accountability. Can you give in
a couple examples of what you're really looking for?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yes, so essentially, look, people have been fed up with
the lack of transparency up on Beacon Hill within the
state legislature, specifically due to the fact that the state
legislature doesn't have to follow the same laws that they
impose on other entities across the Commonwealth. For example, every
city in town in the Commonwealth does have to follow
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the open meeting law, every city in town in the
Commonwealth has to follow the public records law.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Folks have recently learned that not only has our.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Legislature been frequently ranked as the least transparent and least
accessible state legislature in the entire nation, but that they
were also ranked as the least effective state legislature in
the entire nation last year or so.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
So folks are fed up.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
They want answers, they want access, and they want to
know that their tax fair dollars are being spent appropriately.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And just one of the ways that.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
We can make sure that that's happening is through this
audit of the state legislature. This is one of many
things that needs to happen up on Beacon Hell to
help to shine a light on what's going on behind
those closed doors.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So our office is trying to conduct an audit.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
We're trying to look at taxpayer dollars, how they're being spent,
get access to the receipts, the documents, and the state
contracts within the state legislative body that is being refused
to us. And when they refuse access to the state
Auditor's office, they're refusing access to the taxpayer. So we
are fighting to make sure that we can get access
to those documents so that we can make them public.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
For all of you.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, absolutely, listen, and I'm just going to offer this.
You don't need to respond to it, but I want
you to know that I and I'm not looking for
fees or anything. I will step in and do anything
I can. The Deep Law Firm I sued the federal
government and a rid of mandamus against the SEC. I
think there's a case, Diana that's ripe to sue. Andrea
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Campbell Listen, she's got no problem suing. And my audience
knows some of them are very disappointed. And I'm not
a Trump guy, all right, but she's sued twelve times
already the Trump administration. Maybe she should spend a little
time on the state that she resides and that she
serves and honor the voters and implement that. But you know,
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I believe as a lawyer, the next move is to
sue the Attorney General with a ridoman damis that says, look,
you're not doing your job, So you're asking a judge
to force her to either represent you or allow you
to seek counsel of your own choosing or the choosing
of the people. And so do you think that's a
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possibility or you're not in a position to really get
into that right now.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You know, I think that most people agree that the
AG's office can do more than one thing at a time,
right I think even the AG's office acknowledges that they
can do.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
More than one thing at a time.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
And we are simply saying, look, as you pursue justice
on other matters for the residents of the Commonwealth, that
you also pursue justice for the residents of the Commonwealth
on this very important matter. And you know, we understand
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that there are other things going on that the Attorney
General might you know, view as taking precedent. Okay, but
that doesn't mean that we should be blocked from getting
access to court, which is really what's happening, John, Really,
that's what's happening. Okay, So you know, we understand that,
you know, if the Attorney General's Office, you know, needs
additional information in some cases, you know that it might
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we might not be able to get access to a
courtroom immediately.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
But it's been several months now. There's over one hundred and.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Fifty pages of communications between my office and the Office
of ag and we can't even get the Attorney General's
Office to state that they believe that the legislature should
follow the law and that at least financial documents should
be made available to the Office of State Auditor while
we're looking.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Into some other issues.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Those are some really basic things that we would expect
the Attorney General's Office to be able to admit to,
you know, that lawmakers should follow the audit law, that
the Attorney General's Office stands with the audit law, that
they're going to make a commitment to represent the people,
that they might just be looking into some details, but
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that they are going to fully stand with the people,
that they are going to bring the legislature.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
To court if they don't comply with the law. But
they're not saying that.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
What they're saying is well, you know, you know, we
are upset with the Auditor's office because the Auditor's office
is and giving us what we need to be able
to do our jobs, and that's just not correct.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
And I think people see through that, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So you know, as much as I always appreciate seeing
the creative ways that Beacon Hill leaders can come up
with to blame my office for their inaction, the reality
is is that the voters are smarter than that, and
they know very well that I am not the attorney
for the Commonwealth. I have a psychology and Spanish degree.
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I try to use it as often as I can to,
you know, assist with the work that I do at
the State House. But I am not an attorney, and
my office's job is to audit and the AG's office's
job is to enforce the law. And if the law
is being broken, the only office that can make sure
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that it starts to get followed is the office of
the Attorney General's office. So if there's anything that the
AG needs in order to be able to enforce this law,
I've made all of our communications with the AG's office
about this matter public so that people can see what
she's been asking for. What they still feel they need
access to, because frankly, nothing we say or do is
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going to be sufficient for the Attorney General in terms of,
you know, getting action to be able to allow us
to get access to that courtroom. So I'm asking for
your assistance, for the assistance of any resident out there
who wants to ensure that.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
This gets taken to court.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
When you go online, you know, search for the one
hundred and fifty pages there of communications between me and
the Attorney General. Peruse as you see fit, look at
some of their questions, and if you can help us
to answer the Attorney General, you know, and to get
her access to things that she feels she needs access
to in order to be able to enforce the law.
Please send it to the Office of the Age, and hopefully,
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you know, at bare minimum, hopefully the Attorney General will
at least allow us to get our own attorney so
that we can bring this matter to court instead of
continuing to block our access to court.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Absolutely listen, if Adria Campbell needs it, I'll write the
damn brief for her. But the fact that you were
determined to see this through and implement and execute the
will the people just shows you what an honorable person
you are. Thank you so much for being on the show.
Amount of time it took you over your limit. I
know you're busy.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Thanks John, I appreciate coming on. It's always chat.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Absolutely have a great day. That is Diana Desaglia, the
State auditor out there doing the job of the people.
Thank you. Welcome back to the Hard Truth. This is
John Deaton. You're listening to WRKO. We're going to get
to some emails, and this email is from Greg Greg
from Worcester, who writes, John, why the hell should anyone
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listen to you? You're a never Trumper, just another rhino,
and there's no difference between you or Ed Marky. Greg.
I'm not going to try to change your mind. You
have the right to think how you want to think.
You're the right to vote how you want to vote.
And I've touched on this subject and I even address
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this in a speech that I'm going to play for
the audience. But let me make something clear. If you
take the position that because I didn't support President Trump
as a candidate and that I'm not a big Trump guy,
that that means that I'm no different than Ed Markey
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than my friend. You're a moron, and that's just the truth.
I gotta tell you the truth. The show is called
The Hard Truth, and the hard truth is that you're
likely an idiot because Ed Markey supports the Green New
Deal and he supports all these alternative energy mandates that
are crushing working people on their electric bills. They're being
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charged for solar or when when they have nothing to
do with it. I don't support that. Ed Markey has
never supported border security. He wants all these illegals to
come here and we just turn them into citizens and
let them vote. I support zero tolerance for illegal immigration.
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Ed Markey supports biological men competing against women in sports.
I got three daughters. I don't support that nonsense. So
this position that I'm no different than Ed Markey because
you view me as a rhino, or because you don't
like that I didn't vote for your guy, I call
it the moron test. That if you feel that way,
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that I need you to go look in the mirror
and if you see a reflection, you might be a moron.
You're part of the problem. Listen, if we don't get
a seat at the table, if we only allow the
Democrats and the far left radicals to run this state
for another twenty years and no one with common sense,
who has some conservative principles does not get a seat
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at the table. Then Massachusetts is a lost cause because
right now they wake up and they can they do
away with mother and father on birth certificates and nothing
can be done. They can create new gun laws that
de facto ban basically the Second Amendment and your Second
Amendment rights, and there's nothing we can do about it.
But it's people like you, Greg and Worcester who sit
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there and say, oh, just because he didn't bow down
and support the one guy that I support, therefore he's
no different than Ed Marky or Elizabeth Warren. That's just
a stupid approach. So I'm gonna play a speech I
gave at the Lincoln Reagan dinner or May third, addressing
this division. And I want you to forget for a
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minute that that speech is coming from me. All Right,
if you don't like me or you don't care about me,
that's fine, but listen to it and then tell me
what part of that speech that you actually disagree with,
because I don't think you can. I think if you
listen to what I'm about to say, then you'll have
to agree because it's pure common sense. So here is
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the speech. I hope you enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Good evening everyone, It's great to see some familiar faces.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
I got to give a shout out to the Golf
of Waymouth wherever you are.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Listen. Those that know me know I'm not.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Going to have a problem being blunt and keeping it
real tonight. And that's because we got a serious problem
in Massachusetts. Families cannot afford homes, young people can't move out,
retirees are forced to leave. It takes two or three
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jobs for some folks just to keep the lights on.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
And it's not just about bad policy.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
It's a betrayal of what Massachusetts represents. We're the cradle
of liberty, man the birthplace of freedom and the American Revolution,
a place where someone like me, born into poverty, surrounded
by drugs and violence, can still achieve the American dream.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
But we can't fix it because we don't win.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Every statewide, state wide and federal office in Massachusetts occupied
by far left radicals, radicals who favor illegal migrants over
combat vets. A governor who spends billions on these illegals,
but said there's no money to save a hospital for
the folks who've been here all their lives. I'm telling you,
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these people have lost the plot. They're trying to ban
plastic grocery bags at a time where people can't afford
the groceries in the bags, or electric cars on workers
who can't afford a charging station or the time to
wait for one as they sit in traffic off the
pike because the tea's a mess.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
And what's their solution?
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Raised taxes millionaires, tax, candy tax, prescription tax. Have you
heard about the surcharge on the car tax? That's right,
they're taxing taxes now. But potholes aren't fixed, rents aren't
coming down.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
And these an education today?
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Our kids face social emotional learning now.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
I gotta admit it sounds.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Kind of nice, but how about just.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Teach math reading a science healthcare?
Speaker 5 (30:02):
A pregnant woman living in parts of central Massachusetts has
to drive forty minutes to give birth. A fisherman in
Gloucester waits months for an appointment, but premium sore.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
And energy policy, my god, they.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Shut down nuclear, ban new gas pipelines, and force alternative
energy mandates that are crushing working people and preventing affordable
housing in the middle of an affordable housing crisis. I'm
telling you these people, they preach green and fly private,
and they're so arrogant because they've been in charge so long.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
They won't allow an audit that seventy two percent of
the voters demanded be the law. That's not democracy, that's
one party rule.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Giving the middle finger to the people they represent, and
talk about arrogance.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Eighty year old Ed Markey running again. Look I'm not
a young man by any.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Standard, but when Ed Markey first went to Washington, DC,
I was nine, the Red Sox were cursed and tickets
were a dollar twenty five at thinway. This guy has
been in Washington so long. He was actually there when
Democrats were against foreign wars, fought for free speech, and
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even waved American flags. This guy preaches the green New Deal,
votes against border security every time, and cheers biological men
competing against women just to score points with the woke elite.
That's not leadership. That's a disgrace. But the more important
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that's them.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
That's them. The most important question here tonight is who
are we.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
We're the party in Lincoln and Reagan, the namesake of
Tonight's dinner. We must be a voice for the forgotten,
a party of common sense and opportunity.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
You know, my daughters asked me, Dad, Dad, why why
a Republican?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I said.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
The answers written in history, beginning with the Republican by
the name of Abraham Lincoln who freed the slaves, shattering
the chains of bondage and oppression.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
It was Calvin Coolidge.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
A Massachusetts Republican, who stood.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Up in the nineteen twenties demanded federal laws to stop
lynchings after the tuls of Massacre. It was Teddy Roosevelt
who bust the trust taking on oil bearings and railroad.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Tycoons so small businesses could thrive.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Republicans drove the Civil Rights Act of eighteen sixty six,
and the nineteen sixty four Act passed with more GOP
votes than Democrats.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
It was Dwight Eisenhower who sent THEE hundred.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
First the Airborn the Little Rock to open schools for
black kids. And it was Ronald Reagan who gave amnesty
to three million immigrants, bringing.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Them out from the shadows, long before.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
The Democrats overwhelmed this country with their border chaos, making
a gesture like that today impossible. Republicans standing for the forgotten,
and it was the forgotten that helped President Trump win Massachusetts.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
We must learn from that election.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Massachusetts is the second best state President Trump.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Improved over twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
You want to know why that is because of forgotten
voters like the ones in Fall River.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
In't that right? Share Tom? But here's the hard truth.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
People, we don't have a seat at the table. We
don't have a seat at the table. You want to
know why. Because we tear each other apart, Maga versus rhinos,
purest versus pragmatists, perfect over good. Infighting is a luxury
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we just don't have in Massachusetts because while we argue
over who's conservative enough, Democrats win. Now, I'm not talking
about primary battles. I'm not talking about primary battles. That's healthy,
that's gonna happen. Heck, we might see a preview here tonight.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Okay, but we have to come together.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
We agree on more than we disagree.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
We believe in lower taxes so working families can keep
more of what they earn. We believe unless government overreach,
so small businesses could thrive and parents can raise their
kids it's their way. We believe in law and order,
school choice, innovation in a country where hard work still matters.
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That's not a Maga platform, that's not a Rhino platform.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
That's an American platform. And that's how we win. That's
how we win.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
We gotta knock on every single door, not just the
folks who agree with us. Listen to the mom worried
about rent, the dad fed up with energy prices, the
worker tired to see at his job leave the state.
People are not looking for ideology, They're looking for solutions,
and we have them. Tax relief, deregulation, school choice, common sense,
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energy policy, innovation, real economic growth. We just got to
stop bickering long enough, deliver that message, and we win.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Massachusetts is not a lost cause, it's not too blue
to save.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
We win by solving problems for regular people, and together, united,
we can make Massachusetts affordabar again.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Thank you, God bless everyone in here.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Welcome back to the Hard Truth. I'm John Deaton. Listen.
I told you when I started this show that there
were going to be times when I would say positive
things about President Trump or his initiatives, and there would
be times when I would give you the hard truth,
and if I disagreed with those initiatives or plans. I
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would call that out. And I think conservatives out there
have to distinguish between when you call something out that
President Trump may be behind that violates your conservative principles,
are you going to not call it out? You know,
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you have to decide are you a conservative Republican or
are you just a Trump supporter. I will continue to
give President Trump credit for example the border security. He's
reduced illegal crossings by ninety eight percent. That is fantastic.
The southern border has never been more secure. Many of
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you who voted for President Trump, that was the number
one issue because we know it's bankrupting Massachusetts, so he
deserves credit. Biden was full of crap when he said
that he needed a piece of paper from Congress in
order to secure the border. Okay, but there going to
be times when you don't support President Trump's plans or
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initiatives if they go against fundamental conservativism. Now we talked
about the Big Beautiful Bill. That's one issue. If the
bill increases the deficit by five trillion dollars, I would
not support it. I have a six year old. I
am absolutely terrified for my six year old and my
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twenty five year old, my twenty three year old. We
are robbing them of their future prosperity because we are
becoming slaves to debt. The system of government is debt slavery.
Even Elon Musk is calling this stuff out now, and
that doesn't mean that, Oh, you can't just dismiss what
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I'm saying. Oh he's an never Trumper, so I'm not
going to pay attention to what he says. That's nonsense.
You're smarter than that. So listen. An executive order came
out that's not getting talked about enough, and we got
to talk about it. And that's the executive order where
President Trump is creating and he's using the company Pallenteer
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to create a centralized federal database that mandates every federal
agency to share unclassified information with all other agencies. And
he tasked this company called Pallenteer to be the primary
vendor to the government. Now. Palenteer was co founded by
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Peter Thiel Okay, who has been partners with Elon Musk.
And I think it came about through the Doze initiative
because it's a process where they're like, oh, we got
to come up with a way that helps eliminate fraud, waste,
and abuse. We also need something to help with deportations
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and finding where these illegal immigrants are. And that's all fine,
those are great goals to have. But this Paleer Corporation,
this company, they have software that uses AI and we're
talking about now a centralized database that has every American
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who's living here profiled in it, and we're going to
talk about that now. They're using this executive order and
Palenteer to make all the agencies cooperate because they want
to basically eliminate information silos and they want to combat fraud, waste,
and abuse. So Pallunteer is going to implement this executive
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Order through their software platforms called Foundry and Gotham. I
got to tell you just the titles alone, Foundry, the Foundry,
Gotham sounds like something I don't want to be a
part of, if you want me to be honest. But basically,
every agency we're talking about, the IRS, Department of Homeland Security,
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Social Security Administration, every agency is going to share all
personal sensitive information of Americans and they're going to be
able to cross reference this information in real time using
artificial intelligence. So anything you do can be used. We're
(40:54):
talking about credit card information also being gathered, and this
Foundry application it organizes and analyzes and cross references for example,
your immigration status, all your medical records, student loan debt,
basically detailed citizen profiles, detailed citizen profiles of everyone in America. Listen,
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that sounds a lot like Big Brother to me. I
would encourage you to pick up George Orwell's nineteen eighty
four and review it because this stuff is scary. Okay,
you're going to be able. And they're saying, well, we
need to use it for law enforcement. It will enhance
law enforcement. We'll be able to find illegal migrants from
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their immediate location when they use their phone apps or
their credit cards or they book a train, Okay, And
so that's some scary stuff. All these agencies sharing all
their information creates citizen profile. That Gotham program from Pallunteer
basically works with the CIA. Pallenteer many believe was created
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in part by the CIA, and so you're talking about
the CIA, military FBI. It is basically unprecedented tracking. So
imagine when you're like watching movies like Mission Impossible and
you see them immediately tracking people where they are at
real time using the cameras and all that. That's where
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we're headed, right, there's some serious risk here. We're talking
about government overreach, invasion of privacy, things that we've got
to be concerned about as Americans. I mean, I got
to tell you something. I mean, listen, we know that
at the same time that President Trump is talking about
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the weaponization of the agencies, and we have witness that.
You have to understand President Trump will not always be
in office. So if you support President Trump, you have
to realize the man is in his eighties, this is
his last term. He can't run again, and at some
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point in time there's going to be another president, and
that president could be a Democrat. That president could be,
you know, someone who's very left the way you think,
left the way you think, but not in a little way,
in a big way. I mean, we've seen situations where
federal agencies target Americans. Do you remember how the IRS
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was targeting members of the Tea Party and all of
a sudden, members of the Tea Party conservatives were getting
audits by the IRS much more disproportionate to the regular population.
I mean, if you have a business and you're engaging
with the Securities Exchange Commission, or the Commodity's Futures Trade Commission,
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or the EPA or every other department education, We could
go on and on. They're going to build this database
that basically has your name right on a thumb drive
at everything we know about you, how you donate to entities.
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Remember when I said that when Elizabeth Warren wanted to
ban bitcoin because she supported a central bank digital currency
that the Federal Reserve would issued and they'd be able
to control your money. Well, this is the similar kind
of threat basically, because now they will be able to
track everything you do in your life. That is not
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the America that I want to live then, and so
you know, but there'll be people like me who call
this out and then they'll be discredited because oh it's
just a rhino or it's just another Trumper, and because
Trump's behind it. Listen, Trump can make mistakes, the man
is human, but they can misuse this. Okay, your firearm purchases,
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think about that, how you spend your money, your political donations,
your life. In a click, we're going to click on
to John Deaton and now we're going to have all
this profile on everything John Daton does. Or does every
app that he's downloaded on his phone. Okay, that's what
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we're talking about. That's not the America that I want
to live in. That is this executive order in implementing
what President Trump is having Pallunteer implement. It may have
good intentions, don't get me wrong, but you know, the
path to Hell was paved with good intentions, and the
(45:57):
Patriot Act it had good intentions. Right, we're talking about
nine eleven. We're talking about terrorism, but look how abusive
it can be. Conservatives believe in less federal government. That
is a core principle of conservatism. Right. You believe that
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the federal government should stay out of your life as
much as possible, that the federal government should be lean
and small as much as possible. So I don't want
to give the federal government more power over my life.
I don't want to give them an ability to surveil
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me any more than they already do. So I am completely, wholeheartedly,
one hundred percent against Palunteer and the centralized database where
all these federal agencies are going to coordinate and they're
using artificial intelligence to do it. I don't want a profile.
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I don't want the federal gover to know anything about me.
I want to pay my taxes and be left alone.
And I don't want them having a file on me
or my family, my children, or anyone else. And I
don't want them having a file on you. It's not
the America that I want to live in. And so
you know, i'd encourage you to look into it. If
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you don't agree with it, after you look into it,
contact your congressman, contact your senator. Express your discontent for this,
because this is a real threat to American freedom as
far as I'm concerned. The hard truth is paid for
by the Deeton Law Firm. I've been representing mezathelium and
(47:42):
lung cancer victims for twenty three years across the Commonwealth.
If you were a loved one been diagnosed with MESOTHELIUMA
or lung cancer and we're exposed to asbestos, you contact
me at the Deeton Law Firm. That's Deetonlawfirm dot com.
You can also reach me here at this show at
the Haartruthshow dot com. That's John at Hartruthshow dot com.
(48:07):
John at Hartruthshow dot com.
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