September 8, 2024 • 35 mins
This is our full spoiler review of "Beetlejuice Beetlejuice." Enjoy... and Justice for Bob!!!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome back to the help on Hollywood. This is our
spoiler review of Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. If you did not catch
our non spoiler review. If you haven't seen the movie yet,
go watch that video and then come back here for
our discussion of the things we like and things we
really don't like about Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. Like we said before,
we did overall enjoy this movie. It's fun, but it's
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not without its flaws and issues, And Jamie, I'm gonna
start with my biggest issue, popcorn. This has stayed with
me for days and it's been years that a movie
character's death has impacted me so much, and that one
(00:48):
I was surprised when it happened. Two still like disappointed
at the end that they were gone, and then days
after reminiscing and just thinking they did that they did
that guy wrong. And that guy that they did wrong
was Bob. Bob the guy with the shrunken head, among
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many other people with shrunken heads in this film, but
he's like the main one who would take a bullet
for Beetlejuice. Tossed to the side, tossed to the curb, unceremoniously,
needlessly and painfully. I think, like, okay, we'll get into
the lead up to this. But basically in this movie,
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Monica Blucci's character, she plays Dolores, who is Beetlejuice's wife.
Like that was a fun flashback where it shows how
they met, like back during the plague and Beetlejuice was
like a grave robber and then she was the soul
sucking colts leader and they end up killing each other,
but they but not before they married each other in
this quickie kind of wedding ceremony, and so Beatlejuice's wife, Dolores,
(01:56):
she becomes free from like she's she's dismembered places in
several boxes. Danny DeVito's character accidentally revives her with electricity
and she puts herself literally back together, stables herself together,
and then she is on a mission to find Beetlejuice.
But while on that mission, whoever she runs into, she
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because she's a soul sucker, she sucks the souls out
of these dead people in the afterlife, which means and
they literally shrivel up into like this baggy flash and
die even more so again. And then after this they're
gone for good from what we are told in this movie.
And so like, okay, her intro, Jamie was fantastic. Like
what did you think about her intro?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, I thought it was super cool. I think I
thought it was funky. I thought it was creative. I
thought it was super cool. How she's just very you know,
with great attitude and like just piecing herself together and
stapling herself together. It was very like sensual. I don't know,
it just it looked really cool. It looked really really cool,
and it was a great introduction to a character that
(03:02):
I don't think was utilized properly in this movie. But
I'll let you get into more of that. The I
love that we also get the backstory of Beetlejuice, which
is something that's totally new, and I think it really
fits his character very well. We know who he was
when he was alive and that you know, and he
becomes this you know, horrid spirit. I suppose. I don't know,
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if you're human you can actually be a demon, but whatever,
I don't know about how I feel about the mechanics
of sucking, the soul sucking and why there's a body
left over, and like you know whatever. But it is
in typical Tim Burton fashion, right to have something that's
very tactile like that, and the body plops on the
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ground like very very tim Burton. It was fine, like
Quip in his style. It was cool. But I don't
feel like this really cool character with lots of potential
was utilized almost at all effectively in this film.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
After her intro, like her appearance just it goes downhill,
and her plot of trying to find Beetlejuice an afterthought
throughout the entire movie, which I thought was going to
be the main topic among like the main most important
things in this film. But basically, yeah, back motivations and
so basically she goes for character to character and then
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you know Beetlejuice in Beetlejuice fashion. He dresses Bob in
like to look like Beetlejuice, and so Bob has like
pinstripe suit, he has like the wild hair because the
theory is that if Dolores runs into Bob, Bob will
be killed and that'll give Beetlejuice time to escape. Hilarious,
(04:46):
hilarious concepts and idea, and again that's perfectly in line
for Beetlejuice's character and so and but Bob doesn't complain.
He like, okay, obviously he can't complain because his mouth
is so tight.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
But he's on board. He's on board.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
He doesn't like, not the biggest fan of it, but
he's on board. He's a team player. And then there's
a part where Dolores finds like the office where Beetlejuice
works and or is his you know, soul second Company works,
and and you could see him like hiding underneath a
desk and and you look at it, he like he's sad,
Like he's sweating bullets buckets. He's sweating because he's so
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scared of Dolores. Fortunately she walks by doesn't find him.
The Williem Defoe's character, who plays Wolf Jackson.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
He is an actor who died and now.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
He's a detective with the same kind of charisma and
character in the afterlife. And so there's a scene where
he gets Bob into a confession room because he wants
to find Beetlejuice so you can find Dolores. And he's
like interrogating Bob, and of course Bob is like he's
he's a solid true player because he's not gonna rite
out Beetlejuice. And no matter what Beatle Juice does, I
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can't even talk to him if you wanted to. And
so and so Bob is left in the in the
interrogation room. We later in the movie Dolores again. Dolores's
job is to just pop up places and set people's
souls on her mission. But that's all she does throughout
the entire film. She goes to the interrogation room Bob's
in there by himself. And this is what I'm thinking.
My wheels are churning because in my head, surely Bob
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is not gonna die.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
They're not gonna kill Bob.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
This this sweet, loving, simple minded heart of stone character.
And and so I figured, okay, Dolors doesn't go in there,
because the detective has set Bob as a trap. And
so once Dolorus goes in, the police come and then
like a confrontation happens, and she escapes. YadA, YadA, YadA,
things happen. No, she goes in, she grabs Bob tells like, says,
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tell me what beetle Juice is. That's all she says
about this entire movie. Where is Beetlejuice, she's Bob's soul.
He shrivels up into a fleshy sack, he pops on
the ground and she leaves.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
End of scene. End of scene.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
She continues on that's it, and I was left jaw dropped.
I'm like, oh my god, they just did Bob dirty
justice for Bob because the worst part about this and
we weren't saying this beforehand. I know, I'm going on
this ranto jail through me jump like like I thought, okay,
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They're They're building Dolores to be this big bad who's
some who, this unsympathetic character, who who killed this very
you know, likable character that we are all made to
like and be on his side. So like, oh, this
this build up must be for something. The final battle
must be big. Beetle Juice maybe finds out that she
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killed Bob and you know, maybe there's a little soft
spot for Beetlejuice and she finds out you killed Bob,
and then they had this big, mystical, you know, afterlife
battle scene at the in the climax.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
No, no, not at all.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Dolores shows up to this wedding ceremony, interrupting beetle Juice's
marriage to Lydia, and then like you know, things happened.
A sandworm gets drawn out and then the sandworm eats Dolores.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yea, so.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
It was well it was for nothing? Yeah, what what
is What was Dolores's plot? What does she do in
this film?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
She could have been removed from this film entirely and
nothing would have changed except Bob would still be alive.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I think it's because I viewed a few Bob as
like maybe like a simple like like a golden retriever,
like a golden lab like who was willing to do
anything to help you, to be there to support you,
and then you just kill them.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, Like so this has for.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
It struck me emotionally. Okay, that's what.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You sound distraught? You sound distraught Justice for Bob, Justice Bob. Well,
you know, and that was a turning point for me too,
because I felt like, up until this point, like the
movie was like delightfully demented, but like when she killed Bob,
it was like it was extra long and drawn out too,
and like you see his eyeball throw in the back
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of his head and then his eyeballs pop and it's
just and it was for like for what reason? And right,
it was like at that point it like crossed the
line for me. It felt like this is like too
demented or no reason killing. Yeah, it went too far.
It went too far at that point, and then for
it to all have been for nothing. So here's my
(09:28):
only hope, here's my only hope for this is that
this is all leading up to what the climax that
we felt like we really needed from that character in
this movie, that maybe we're gonna get in the next movie, right,
that maybe Dolores and the Shitty Fiance that they are
going to be teaming up in the afterlife and they
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are going to come back as the big bads of Beetlejuice,
Beetle just beetlejuice, and you know, and then maybe it
will have been for something at that point. Also, also,
here's my hope for you, James. I hope that when
they feet Dolores ultimately, that all those souls get released
and that maybe Bob comes back. Maybe Bob comes back
to Beetlejuice, because you're right, he was like the golden retriever,
(10:11):
right when when all the other shrunken heads were escaped
running off, ran off immediately, Bob stayed behind. Bob was loyal.
I felt that, like there were really satisfying moments with
Beetlejuice's character, like when he saves he saves Astrid right
from from the dude and he stamps that passport and
(10:35):
he say, you know, and then he sends that the
shitty ghost to hell and saves Astrod and Lydia. You know,
that was really really satisfying for Beetlejuice's character. But I
would like to see Beetle just care about Bob. And
I would like to see Beetle just welcome Bob back
with open arms and be like, good job, buddy, you know,
(10:56):
or something like if this is too good for this yeah,
and for Tim Burton, Like but if this is like
Tim's idea of like people will just laugh, like who
cares about Bob? Fucko, like screw Bob then then screwed him?
Like then then then he's wrong, right, He's gonna have
(11:18):
a lot of very angry fans.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Indeed, if they had, if they had made Bob like again, unlikable,
you know, likeuse Beetle Juice is so he's he's the villain.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
But he's likable, he's.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Bob like if you made him that kind of way, like, okay,
you can, you can have some fun with that whatever.
But he's such a again, dedicated loyal friend to Beetlejuice,
willing to be like the scapegoat. And you know, if
Dolores found him first before beetle Juice, give beetle Juice
the time to escape and like and doing all of that.
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And then again just the the sad and the fear
one that he had with from delorous of Dolores, and
then too this sadness of like his soul getting sucked out.
I'm like, whoa that? And so that yeah, oh my goodness.
So that was a lot for me.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
So yeah, and I think I think if if the
next movie has nothing to do with Dolores and they
never bring her back, then that that diminishes this movie
a lot more, a lot more, yeah, because like you said,
there was no reason for this character whatsoever. If she
doesn't have like she could have been written out. Now
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the actress who plays this character is currently dating Tim Burton.
He always has right a role for his current boo
or wife or whoever he's with at that time. I
would just really really hate for this to be a
character that he wrote in just so that she would
have a role and then ultimately was meant like nothing
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that that would be I feel like that's a crime
against cinema, against the audience, and so yeah, because that's
why I'm hoping for the sequel to to vindicate him
on that. If not, that's that's a that's a crap
move to him.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
It really is, like I was really disappointed because that
was such a big like, oh, Beatle, Like this battle
between two like like powers of force, like Beetlejuice, a
demon who can like literally do anything like make magic
happen and make anything happen, versus like this somebody who
can go toe to toe with him on a mystical
after life level.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, that would have been very interesting to see.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
But literally all she does after her grand introduction is
wander halls, suck souls, confronts him at the church Yoo's Beetlejuice,
wears Beetle Juice.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Tell me what Beatle Juice is. Well, blah blah blah
blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
It gets eaten by a snake what two minutes in
to like her final appearance yeah, and like you really
didn't need this. This is so disappointing. So that was
that was a big disappointment. There's so much more to
this movie to go into, but I will reiter rate
justice for Bob. He's too good for this franchise. My goodness.
But let's see, so we have that Jenna Ortegus. Let's
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talk about Jenna Ortega's character. So she's Asterid. We meet
her at a boarding school where people know her as
like the kind of weird kid. Her mom is uh
Lydia Deets, who is like this very famous noell uh
clairvoyance she has. She has like this show of her
own where she can talk to the dead. And Jenna's
biggest gripe with her mom is that, you know, her
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dad went to the Amazon somewhere presumably died, but she,
according to Jenna's character Asterid, she believes that her mom
you know, doesn't want to contact her dad or is
not able to, and so that causes friction because Jenna Asterid,
she really misses her dad and wants to have that connection,
but she feels like her mom like is not doing
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something right or refuses to and so that's the rift
between mother and daughter that we have. So I thought
that was a really good idea. And so that's Jenna's
motivation to go into the afterlife after meeting this boy,
this nice boy she presumably you know, she meets, which
that leads to a twist. Did you see this twist
coming about?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I didn't. I did not foresee that he was dead.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
No, yeah, who's this who's this kid? And what's the twist?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So this kid is actually a murderer who murdered his family,
and Astred can see him. She escaped from her mother's
house after the fiance proposes to her mother at her
grandfather's wake, and so she takes off on the bicycle
and ends up crashing through the fence of this home
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where she finds a boy sitting in his treehouse and Jeremy,
and they, you know, they have a really great time.
He invites her back, and so she's she keeps coming
back to this boy's house and she really likes him,
and he invites her over on Halloween and surprise, surprise,
he's a ghost, which leads, you know, Astra to the
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realization of, holy crap, my mother was right. She wasn't
making this up. Ghost surreal Damn it because you're right.
The frishes she and then she also has the power
to see ghosts and she gets tricked into going into
the underworld with him. Turns out that he is actually
a murderer who killed both of his parents and then
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died while escaping from the cops and falling out of
the treehouse, and so he's trying to manipulate Astrid. He
makes her read this incantation, takes her into the underworld
with him, and he's it's a spell that swaps her
soul for his so that he can come back to life.
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And that leads, you know, all of the adults of
the movie to go and try to save her. They
summon Beetlejuice. They all go into the afterlife and they
try to save Astrid from this horrible fate.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I myself, yes, because remember we did talk about like
what the plot of this movie was.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
And my, my, my, what.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I suggested was that somehow, yeah, no, no, Asterid goes
into the afterlife. She has lost into the afterlife, gets
pulled into the afterlife, and then it's it's Lydia when
on a writer's character who summons beetle juice, because in
the trailer it shows Jenna Ortega's character say beetle juice,
beetle juice, and then you made to believe maybe she
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said it three times and he comes out. But then
my theory was no, I think she somehow gets into
the afterlife. And then Lydia went on a writer's character
summons beetlejuice so they could both find her and save her.
So I got so point for James. But yeah, so
that twist was a good one, that Jeremy was actually dead.
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There were like clues because when she first goes to
his bedroom, she sees like the book for the recently deceased,
and he says, oh, I I found this or I
got this book from a library, and you may and
you're made to believe that it's the book that the
characters like Alec Balden and Geena Davis the book that
they got. It's like, oh, okay, that's a fun nod. But
then like there are more clues kind of sprinkled around.
(18:06):
Then you realize, oh, he's dead, and then oh he's
not so nice. He's actually really bad and he's trying
to switch places with jenneral Or Taga's character on the
lie that oh if you come over here, I can
show you your dad. And so again, the dad is
a big motivation for general Ortega's character to go to
the afterlife.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I enjoyed the that she got like her Casper moment
with this ghost. Right, they kiss and then they're floating
in the air, and then he takes her into the underworld,
and then he turns out to be bad. My only
criticism or critique here is just that I think that
Jenner Ortega plays like the same character almost in every movie. Yeah,
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and this this guy, Jeremy reminds me very much of
her love interest from Wednesday. As a matter of fact,
I was thinking the whole time, I like, is that
the same exact actor from When Day? Because he looks
a lot like him, you know, with the lama hair
on the front. So in that way, I'm like, I
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kind of want to see Jenna do something a little
bit different, But I mean it works for this movie.
She's a little bit more innocent in in this in
this movie. But I do like that she gets her
happy ending, right, she gets she she finds her father,
The father saves her from Jeremy and and Beetlejuice, and
and that's all very satisfying. But you know, yeah, I
(19:32):
think it was. It was an acceptable twist and a
good way to get them all into the world of
the undead. I have a question for you, though, Yeah,
I'm just gonna switch directions just a little bit. Delia Deats,
Delia Deats, you were talking about how much you love
her representation in this movie and how she sparkles on
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the screen. Were you expecting the twist with her that
that she kicks the bucket?
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I was surprised.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well, I know they made a point like in the
movie and earlier when she says she wants to do
this like kind of seance or she wants to honor
the death of her husband, which is again the reason
why they all meet up again at thet in winter
Place or whatever the town it is. And she made
it a point like, oh, yeah, these snakes are safe,
like they're defanged. And so when she said that, in
my head, I'm like, are they again? So that just
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kind of top bubble popped in my head. I'm like,
is are they? Then they moved on and then as
soon as like in that scene where she's at the cemetery,
she's videos hitting herself in front of her husband's grave
and she's doing like, you know, the whole spiel and stuff.
She holds the snakes up and the way the snakes
were coiled, I'm like, oh, those snakes are gonna bite her.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Oh those snakes are gonna get her.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
And then sure enough she got bit boom boom left
and right of the of the jugular and dies instantly.
And I loved how like afterwards she goes to the
afterlife and she's like, like, where's the VIP lounge? Like
I'm famous, I can't be here, like this is embarrassing,
da YadA.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
So that was really funny. Again, Catherine O. Harris, he's
just so freaking hilarious everything, and she she knows exactly
what movies she's doing. Yeah, and she was. She was
spot on.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
So it wasn't like a shocking thing that she died.
It was surprising, for sure, but I think it fell well.
And you know, continuing the story of now she's in
the afterlife and she's re reunited with her husband, who
is like who was comically killed. Yeah, the actor who
we shall not name because there's a reason why he's
not shown in this movie, like in live action for
(21:33):
crimes that are horrid, but and so I thought that
was hilarious and like the fact that they actually had
the husband being in the movie so often. Again, So, yeah,
so the husband dies, which I love the clamation because
they use a lot of claymation for this, And so
they use the clamation scene of like you know, revealing,
Oh my husband died, like how did it happen? Like, Oh,
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he's on a plane flying to an island to watch
birds mates, and then the plane went down. And then
when others like, oh, he died in the plane crash,
like no, he survived the plane crash, but it crashed
into the ocean, like oh he drowned. No, it's like
it's a hot he die, like, oh, he was floating
and then like a shark bit his head off. Yeah,
and so that that was funny.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I love that they used claymation for that, that they
didn't bring this actor back, but he was still like
essential to the story, and they the ways that they
worked around having him in his likeness and the fact
that his head gets bitten off so that when we
see the remainder of his body later, you know, in
the afterlife, it's just you know, it's just a torso
(22:37):
just a torso yeah, no head also completely different voice.
They didn't even try it. I feel like they didn't
even try to replicate his voice. You didn't exactly because
you didn't need to. And I think in that way,
they kept the continuity of the story without giving this
guy any like credit, you know, which is I like
the way that they did that. I really really I was.
(22:59):
When the claimation came up, I'm like, ah, you know,
I had a big reaction to that.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, let's see. So yeah, Katherin O'Hara was great. I
do want to go just bounce back very quickly. But
then we can move on back to General Ortega's motivation
finding her her father. They do find him, like working
like the stamp booth that is like the immigration center
and so and then yeah, very convenient, but that's that's okay.
But my thing is that, like this was pre big motivation.
(23:26):
But I was unsatisfied with the reunion because I think
like the father was only in two maybe three scenes.
One of them is like she's being dragged off and
he sees her, I'm gonna help you. He rescues her,
and then they're having coffee with Ronona Writer's character in
like this lobby whatever, and after that, like he ushers
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them out through stairs back into.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
The real world.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
And for how much Jenner Ortega's character, like how angry
she was at her mom for you know, not being
able to or either choosing to or not being able
to and in her mind talk to her father like
she there wasn't that emotional. I didn't feel that that,
you know, that that spot in my heart where like, oh,
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like they get to embrace each.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Other and they missed each other, and I loved you
and I will always care for you. I always watch you,
and YadA YadA YadA, so like they had like but
there wasn't that emotional scene. Yeah, they like they, oh,
I love you, yeada, I've been watching you, YadA YadA YadA.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I wish you guys you know, won't fight because I
love you both on watching you. But there wasn't. There
wasn't that much. And so again he was only in
two to three scenes at most, and then that was it.
And so I thought that wasn't that didn't pay off
exactly how I wanted it to pay off.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I would have liked to have seen as should cry,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, yeah, that would have been or at least like
been embracing a hug, like a three away hug, like
like longer than like a second or two before they
walk up the stairs or whatever. But I had that
emotional impact and it shows, you know, the father died
in the Amazon because piranhas killed him, so that that
was a funny gimmick or whatever.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Yeah, but like you.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Can have you could have a I know, the movie
has a very good pacing, so it moves from scene
to scene to scene, which is good. At the same time,
I think you could have stretched that maybe a few
more minutes longer. Nothing too crazy, But like I didn't
feel the emotional impact that general Ortega's character. I think
she would have had for longing and missing her father
so much, so that that was a little nitpick there.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Willem Dafoe.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Willem Dafoe, he plays Jack Wolfman, who is this actor
who passed away, sorry wolf Jackson. Wolf Jackson, this actor
who loved doing his own stunts and then but one
day he died because he was using like a live
grenade in the scene and blew his brain or like
his skull open and you see his brain exposed, and
(25:43):
that's how he died, but like he in the real world,
he's an actor who does like these big movie like
detective or cop movies, and like he's like the slick
cop and YadA YadA, YadA. Yeah, and then he carries
that character that persona answered the afterlife and becomes a
detective of sorts. And every time he's on scene, he
was hilarious. He was charming, he was smooth, suave, he
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was great. His assistants whose only job is subrium coffee,
that was a great bit.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
That was yeah, every scene yep.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Willem Dafoe knew the assignments and he aced it. So
that was a great addition to the to the movie.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
I would say the standout performers for me are him
or Willem Dafoe or Michael Keaton and Catherine O'Hara. Just
every time they are on screen, I was smiling. I was,
you know, completely satisfied and entertained and delighted. Like it
was just pure joy anytime any of the three of
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them were on the screen. And I think that's what
makes you love this movie so so much. I mean,
they were just a lot of high highs that were
some of the low lows. Right, that was the bob.
There were some of the criticisms that we have here,
but yes, yeah, with the part of the brain hanging
out and the fact that he's like, I'm an actor
or you know, or you know, keep reminding him that
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he's an Actress's just it's a real niceome.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
It's a little meta also, and it's just real funny
and it's it really works.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
It worked. What do you think about the climax?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
The wedding scenes again, so beetle Juice goes back his
his his plot is to marry uh Lydia and you know,
and and do that. So he tries the whole thing
spiel again in a church that was supposed to be
the wedding for justin the Rose and one in the
Manona writer's character. So that didn't pan out because he
interrupts it. And so what do you think about that climax?
I think there are highs in that in that final scenes,
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in those final scenes, but there are also a couple
of low's. But what are your thoughts on on how
it ended?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
I mean, I think what what bothered me the most
we already covered was the beatle Juice's wife, Like have
be useless, they having no part in that part, no
part in that fight or whatever, not showing any of
her powers, not you know, not doing anything, just keetting
eaten by worm. But I thought, Okay, I feel like
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the ending was a little bit rushed. That climax was
a little bit rushed. There were a few potholes beyond
the wife at the very very end, when Winona's character
Lydia Wright is just saying beetlejuice, beetlejuice, beetlejuice again, but
very slow and and like he's not even trying to
stop her anymore, Like you know, he's just kind of
given up at the end. Yeah, And the loophole in
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the contract was awfully convenient, and and how was astrod
able to like read the book that quickly and find
that law, that that loophole in the middle of all
of the chaos. And but the the musical, what was
with the music? What was with the singing? I know
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there had to be singing, right, but like, I don't know,
it felt like it made Beetlejuice a little too romantic,
and it was I was, I was so cringing and
uncooked to justify it in a fun way but also like,
what the heck am I watching? What is happening?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
The way I justify it is I think that you
know beatle juice. Yeah, like he wants to his mission
is to marry you know, letty you go into the real.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
World again or whennot. But at the end of the day,
he's also a showman. Done the flot.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Just fill your guts.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Who wants to go first?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
All right, I will see.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
I'm willing to do the work good.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
I think from my dream, really mort Ma militarial.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
He's like he's a he's a goofball, he's a demon.
So like, yeah, he could have done things like very
quickly and end of the ceremony and win and be
like be the big dad who wins at the end.
But he has to have fun with it, and it
is fun. It's not worth it. Yes, if there isn't pazzaz,
it's not worth it.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I mean I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. It was
just I didn't know what the hell I was watching.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, there's a part where it seemed like it was
going out too long, but then like it but then
like it hit a point again where I'm like, okay,
I'm back on board and so like it worked for me.
The just some thoroau you know, character confessing that he's
only dating and only wanted to marry went on a
writer's character.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Uh so he could be rich.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
That was satisfying.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, that was satisfying. Again, Michael Keatin as Beetle Juice fantastic.
He's he's great. They didn't do any classification of like
why he looks older, so you know, yeah, I don't
think you needed one.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
No, I don't think you need The makeup did a
good job of like covering them. I don't think anybody's
going to really care about that. But I do have
a question, James, I do a question for you because
I have this. I had this feeling towards the end,
and maybe it's because I'm just really messed up in
the head. Did you kind of feel like you wanted
Beetlejuice to marry Lydia, like you just wanted wanted this
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to happen, because Okay, it's just me, I'm just messed up.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, Okay, if they did Okay, so if they wanted
to set up like the we're gonna make a part
three movie, ye marry them and then like it ends
with Beetlejuice winning, It's like, oh, it's kind of like
Thanos winning more I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Beetlejuice snap his fingers and win or whatever, and then like,
oh that's how it ends, and then like like people
can't wait for the third movie. So I think they
could have done that. I think they definitely are going
to make a third one because of the money it's
making and overall positive reviews. Yeah, so I think they
will make up a third one. But yeah, that would
been a great ending. It would have been cool if
they had a battle with Dolores and Beetlejuice and you
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know the Deep's family they take part and maybe they
they are the ones who like read an incantation or
something and then to feed them both and YadA, YadA whatever.
So there are multiple ways this could have ended better.
Still a fun movie. The last thing I want to
add is what are your thoughts on Baby Beetlejuice.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Oh lord, no, not it was it was no.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
No when when it was unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I will say, however, the the design of the baby
and what it did was pretty funny.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
I thought. I thought I liked that part.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
The whole giving birth to it, with with the Winona
Writer's character and Jenna Ortega's character were like, yeah, I
probably didn't need that, but the aftermath of the baby
just being there, like gnawing on Monona's leg and like
looking up side eyed, that I thought that looked cute
and creepy.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
And I thought that was fun.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
But it was like nibbles, it like little nibbles.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Fine, she's fine. That was fun.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
And then the baby crawling on the walls and stuff
and like it was very good. Animatronics are very good
practical effects that, so I liked it.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
So I thought that was funny.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I just you know, when I said, delightfully demented, but
something's crossed the line, like Bob and the baby cross
the line, Like it was just no, I don't need
that visual look I've given birth. I just know, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
The birth was not necessary.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I didn't need it, but you know, it's great for
the movie. It's great. It's fantastic, it looks cool. It's
super super creepy, but it gives me the Hibby gbs.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
So okay, well those are my thoughts on beetlejuice, beetle juice,
anything else you want to add.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
I think this is mostly covered.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I want to see this. I want to see another movie.
I want to see Beetle Juice, Beetle Juice, Beetle Juice.
I want to see Dolores come back and have some meaning.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I wanted to be like Tim Burtons, like, no, you
don't get to do that.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Like, but if she doesn't come back, it's even more meaningless.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
So I just after what they did to Bob, if
Bob can't come back, Dolores can't come back.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
But for that, I.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Think that she will come back, she will be thoroughly defeated,
and that all of the souls that she sucked will
return to life.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
And done this movie, then they should have just done
in this movie her in a grandiose way. Bob comes
back in this movie, everybody's happy, like that's all they
had to do.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
James has broken.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
You can tell Tim Burton.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you're hurting.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I'm hurt, ridiculous. Okay, Well, let us know what you
think about Beetle Juice, Beetle Juice. What do you think
about Bob's demise?
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Was justified?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Was unjustified? It was unjustified, I'm telling you right now. Well,
comment down below let us know what you think and
all that jazz baby beetlejuice in the background. That is
baby beetlejuice somewhere roaming around right now. But yeah, thank
you so much for tuning into the spoiler review of
Beetle Juice.
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Welcome back to the help on Hollywood. This is our
spoiler review of Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. If you did not catch
our non spoiler review. If you haven't seen the movie yet,
go watch that video and then come back here for
our discussion of the things we like and things we
really don't like about Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. Like we said before,
we did overall enjoy this movie. It's fun, but it's
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not without its flaws and issues, And Jamie, I'm gonna
start with my biggest issue, popcorn. This has stayed with
me for days and it's been years that a movie
character's death has impacted me so much, and that one
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I was surprised when it happened. Two still like disappointed
at the end that they were gone, and then days
after reminiscing and just thinking they did that they did
that guy wrong. And that guy that they did wrong
was Bob. Bob the guy with the shrunken head, among
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many other people with shrunken heads in this film, but
he's like the main one who would take a bullet
for Beetlejuice. Tossed to the side, tossed to the curb, unceremoniously,
needlessly and painfully. I think, like, okay, we'll get into
the lead up to this. But basically in this movie,
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Monica Blucci's character, she plays Dolores, who is Beetlejuice's wife.
Like that was a fun flashback where it shows how
they met, like back during the plague and Beetlejuice was
like a grave robber and then she was the soul
sucking colts leader and they end up killing each other,
but they but not before they married each other in
this quickie kind of wedding ceremony, and so Beatlejuice's wife, Dolores,
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she becomes free from like she's she's dismembered places in
several boxes. Danny DeVito's character accidentally revives her with electricity
and she puts herself literally back together, stables herself together,
and then she is on a mission to find Beetlejuice.
But while on that mission, whoever she runs into, she
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because she's a soul sucker, she sucks the souls out
of these dead people in the afterlife, which means and
they literally shrivel up into like this baggy flash and
die even more so again. And then after this they're
gone for good from what we are told in this movie.
And so like, okay, her intro, Jamie was fantastic. Like
what did you think about her intro?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, I thought it was super cool. I think I
thought it was funky. I thought it was creative. I
thought it was super cool. How she's just very you know,
with great attitude and like just piecing herself together and
stapling herself together. It was very like sensual. I don't know,
it just it looked really cool. It looked really really cool,
and it was a great introduction to a character that
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I don't think was utilized properly in this movie. But
I'll let you get into more of that. The I
love that we also get the backstory of Beetlejuice, which
is something that's totally new, and I think it really
fits his character very well. We know who he was
when he was alive and that you know, and he
becomes this you know, horrid spirit. I suppose. I don't know,
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if you're human you can actually be a demon, but whatever,
I don't know about how I feel about the mechanics
of sucking, the soul sucking and why there's a body
left over, and like you know whatever. But it is
in typical Tim Burton fashion, right to have something that's
very tactile like that, and the body plops on the
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ground like very very tim Burton. It was fine, like
Quip in his style. It was cool. But I don't
feel like this really cool character with lots of potential
was utilized almost at all effectively in this film.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
After her intro, like her appearance just it goes downhill,
and her plot of trying to find Beetlejuice an afterthought
throughout the entire movie, which I thought was going to
be the main topic among like the main most important
things in this film. But basically, yeah, back motivations and
so basically she goes for character to character and then
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you know Beetlejuice in Beetlejuice fashion. He dresses Bob in
like to look like Beetlejuice, and so Bob has like
pinstripe suit, he has like the wild hair because the
theory is that if Dolores runs into Bob, Bob will
be killed and that'll give Beetlejuice time to escape. Hilarious,
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hilarious concepts and idea, and again that's perfectly in line
for Beetlejuice's character and so and but Bob doesn't complain.
He like, okay, obviously he can't complain because his mouth
is so tight.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
But he's on board. He's on board.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
He doesn't like, not the biggest fan of it, but
he's on board. He's a team player. And then there's
a part where Dolores finds like the office where Beetlejuice
works and or is his you know, soul second Company works,
and and you could see him like hiding underneath a
desk and and you look at it, he like he's sad,
Like he's sweating bullets buckets. He's sweating because he's so
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scared of Dolores. Fortunately she walks by doesn't find him.
The Williem Defoe's character, who plays Wolf Jackson.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
He is an actor who died and now.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
He's a detective with the same kind of charisma and
character in the afterlife. And so there's a scene where
he gets Bob into a confession room because he wants
to find Beetlejuice so you can find Dolores. And he's
like interrogating Bob, and of course Bob is like he's
he's a solid true player because he's not gonna rite
out Beetlejuice. And no matter what Beatle Juice does, I
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can't even talk to him if you wanted to. And
so and so Bob is left in the in the
interrogation room. We later in the movie Dolores again. Dolores's
job is to just pop up places and set people's
souls on her mission. But that's all she does throughout
the entire film. She goes to the interrogation room Bob's
in there by himself. And this is what I'm thinking.
My wheels are churning because in my head, surely Bob
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is not gonna die.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
They're not gonna kill Bob.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
This this sweet, loving, simple minded heart of stone character.
And and so I figured, okay, Dolors doesn't go in there,
because the detective has set Bob as a trap. And
so once Dolorus goes in, the police come and then
like a confrontation happens, and she escapes. YadA, YadA, YadA,
things happen. No, she goes in, she grabs Bob tells like, says,
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tell me what beetle Juice is. That's all she says
about this entire movie. Where is Beetlejuice, she's Bob's soul.
He shrivels up into a fleshy sack, he pops on
the ground and she leaves.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
End of scene. End of scene.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
She continues on that's it, and I was left jaw dropped.
I'm like, oh my god, they just did Bob dirty
justice for Bob because the worst part about this and
we weren't saying this beforehand. I know, I'm going on
this ranto jail through me jump like like I thought, okay,
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They're They're building Dolores to be this big bad who's
some who, this unsympathetic character, who who killed this very
you know, likable character that we are all made to
like and be on his side. So like, oh, this
this build up must be for something. The final battle
must be big. Beetle Juice maybe finds out that she
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killed Bob and you know, maybe there's a little soft
spot for Beetlejuice and she finds out you killed Bob,
and then they had this big, mystical, you know, afterlife
battle scene at the in the climax.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
No, no, not at all.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Dolores shows up to this wedding ceremony, interrupting beetle Juice's
marriage to Lydia, and then like you know, things happened.
A sandworm gets drawn out and then the sandworm eats Dolores.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yea, so.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
It was well it was for nothing? Yeah, what what
is What was Dolores's plot? What does she do in
this film?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
She could have been removed from this film entirely and
nothing would have changed except Bob would still be alive.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I think it's because I viewed a few Bob as
like maybe like a simple like like a golden retriever,
like a golden lab like who was willing to do
anything to help you, to be there to support you,
and then you just kill them.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, Like so this has for.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
It struck me emotionally. Okay, that's what.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You sound distraught? You sound distraught Justice for Bob, Justice Bob. Well,
you know, and that was a turning point for me too,
because I felt like, up until this point, like the
movie was like delightfully demented, but like when she killed Bob,
it was like it was extra long and drawn out too,
and like you see his eyeball throw in the back
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of his head and then his eyeballs pop and it's
just and it was for like for what reason? And right,
it was like at that point it like crossed the
line for me. It felt like this is like too
demented or no reason killing. Yeah, it went too far.
It went too far at that point, and then for
it to all have been for nothing. So here's my
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only hope, here's my only hope for this is that
this is all leading up to what the climax that
we felt like we really needed from that character in
this movie, that maybe we're gonna get in the next movie, right,
that maybe Dolores and the Shitty Fiance that they are
going to be teaming up in the afterlife and they
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are going to come back as the big bads of Beetlejuice,
Beetle just beetlejuice, and you know, and then maybe it
will have been for something at that point. Also, also,
here's my hope for you, James. I hope that when
they feet Dolores ultimately, that all those souls get released
and that maybe Bob comes back. Maybe Bob comes back
to Beetlejuice, because you're right, he was like the golden retriever,
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right when when all the other shrunken heads were escaped
running off, ran off immediately, Bob stayed behind. Bob was loyal.
I felt that, like there were really satisfying moments with
Beetlejuice's character, like when he saves he saves Astrid right
from from the dude and he stamps that passport and
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he say, you know, and then he sends that the
shitty ghost to hell and saves Astrod and Lydia. You know,
that was really really satisfying for Beetlejuice's character. But I
would like to see Beetle just care about Bob. And
I would like to see Beetle just welcome Bob back
with open arms and be like, good job, buddy, you know,
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or something like if this is too good for this yeah,
and for Tim Burton, Like but if this is like
Tim's idea of like people will just laugh, like who
cares about Bob? Fucko, like screw Bob then then screwed him?
Like then then then he's wrong, right, He's gonna have
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a lot of very angry fans.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Indeed, if they had, if they had made Bob like again, unlikable,
you know, likeuse Beetle Juice is so he's he's the villain.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
But he's likable, he's.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Bob like if you made him that kind of way, like, okay,
you can, you can have some fun with that whatever.
But he's such a again, dedicated loyal friend to Beetlejuice,
willing to be like the scapegoat. And you know, if
Dolores found him first before beetle Juice, give beetle Juice
the time to escape and like and doing all of that.
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And then again just the the sad and the fear
one that he had with from delorous of Dolores, and
then too this sadness of like his soul getting sucked out.
I'm like, whoa that? And so that yeah, oh my goodness.
So that was a lot for me.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
So yeah, and I think I think if if the
next movie has nothing to do with Dolores and they
never bring her back, then that that diminishes this movie
a lot more, a lot more, yeah, because like you said,
there was no reason for this character whatsoever. If she
doesn't have like she could have been written out. Now
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the actress who plays this character is currently dating Tim Burton.
He always has right a role for his current boo
or wife or whoever he's with at that time. I
would just really really hate for this to be a
character that he wrote in just so that she would
have a role and then ultimately was meant like nothing
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that that would be I feel like that's a crime
against cinema, against the audience, and so yeah, because that's
why I'm hoping for the sequel to to vindicate him
on that. If not, that's that's a that's a crap
move to him.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
It really is, like I was really disappointed because that
was such a big like, oh, Beatle, Like this battle
between two like like powers of force, like Beetlejuice, a
demon who can like literally do anything like make magic
happen and make anything happen, versus like this somebody who
can go toe to toe with him on a mystical
after life level.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, that would have been very interesting to see.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
But literally all she does after her grand introduction is
wander halls, suck souls, confronts him at the church Yoo's Beetlejuice,
wears Beetle Juice.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Tell me what Beatle Juice is. Well, blah blah blah
blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
It gets eaten by a snake what two minutes in
to like her final appearance yeah, and like you really
didn't need this. This is so disappointing. So that was
that was a big disappointment. There's so much more to
this movie to go into, but I will reiter rate
justice for Bob. He's too good for this franchise. My goodness.
But let's see, so we have that Jenna Ortegus. Let's
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talk about Jenna Ortega's character. So she's Asterid. We meet
her at a boarding school where people know her as
like the kind of weird kid. Her mom is uh
Lydia Deets, who is like this very famous noell uh
clairvoyance she has. She has like this show of her
own where she can talk to the dead. And Jenna's
biggest gripe with her mom is that, you know, her
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dad went to the Amazon somewhere presumably died, but she,
according to Jenna's character Asterid, she believes that her mom
you know, doesn't want to contact her dad or is
not able to, and so that causes friction because Jenna Asterid,
she really misses her dad and wants to have that connection,
but she feels like her mom like is not doing
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something right or refuses to and so that's the rift
between mother and daughter that we have. So I thought
that was a really good idea. And so that's Jenna's
motivation to go into the afterlife after meeting this boy,
this nice boy she presumably you know, she meets, which
that leads to a twist. Did you see this twist
coming about?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I didn't. I did not foresee that he was dead.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
No, yeah, who's this who's this kid? And what's the twist?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So this kid is actually a murderer who murdered his family,
and Astred can see him. She escaped from her mother's
house after the fiance proposes to her mother at her
grandfather's wake, and so she takes off on the bicycle
and ends up crashing through the fence of this home
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where she finds a boy sitting in his treehouse and Jeremy,
and they, you know, they have a really great time.
He invites her back, and so she's she keeps coming
back to this boy's house and she really likes him,
and he invites her over on Halloween and surprise, surprise,
he's a ghost, which leads, you know, Astra to the
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realization of, holy crap, my mother was right. She wasn't
making this up. Ghost surreal Damn it because you're right.
The frishes she and then she also has the power
to see ghosts and she gets tricked into going into
the underworld with him. Turns out that he is actually
a murderer who killed both of his parents and then
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died while escaping from the cops and falling out of
the treehouse, and so he's trying to manipulate Astrid. He
makes her read this incantation, takes her into the underworld
with him, and he's it's a spell that swaps her
soul for his so that he can come back to life.
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And that leads, you know, all of the adults of
the movie to go and try to save her. They
summon Beetlejuice. They all go into the afterlife and they
try to save Astrid from this horrible fate.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I myself, yes, because remember we did talk about like
what the plot of this movie was.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
And my, my, my, what.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I suggested was that somehow, yeah, no, no, Asterid goes
into the afterlife. She has lost into the afterlife, gets
pulled into the afterlife, and then it's it's Lydia when
on a writer's character who summons beetle juice, because in
the trailer it shows Jenna Ortega's character say beetle juice,
beetle juice, and then you made to believe maybe she
(17:25):
said it three times and he comes out. But then
my theory was no, I think she somehow gets into
the afterlife. And then Lydia went on a writer's character
summons beetlejuice so they could both find her and save her.
So I got so point for James. But yeah, so
that twist was a good one, that Jeremy was actually dead.
(17:46):
There were like clues because when she first goes to
his bedroom, she sees like the book for the recently deceased,
and he says, oh, I I found this or I
got this book from a library, and you may and
you're made to believe that it's the book that the
characters like Alec Balden and Geena Davis the book that
they got. It's like, oh, okay, that's a fun nod. But
then like there are more clues kind of sprinkled around.
(18:06):
Then you realize, oh, he's dead, and then oh he's
not so nice. He's actually really bad and he's trying
to switch places with jenneral Or Taga's character on the
lie that oh if you come over here, I can
show you your dad. And so again, the dad is
a big motivation for general Ortega's character to go to
the afterlife.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I enjoyed the that she got like her Casper moment
with this ghost. Right, they kiss and then they're floating
in the air, and then he takes her into the underworld,
and then he turns out to be bad. My only
criticism or critique here is just that I think that
Jenner Ortega plays like the same character almost in every movie. Yeah,
(18:48):
and this this guy, Jeremy reminds me very much of
her love interest from Wednesday. As a matter of fact,
I was thinking the whole time, I like, is that
the same exact actor from When Day? Because he looks
a lot like him, you know, with the lama hair
on the front. So in that way, I'm like, I
(19:08):
kind of want to see Jenna do something a little
bit different, But I mean it works for this movie.
She's a little bit more innocent in in this in
this movie. But I do like that she gets her
happy ending, right, she gets she she finds her father,
The father saves her from Jeremy and and Beetlejuice, and
and that's all very satisfying. But you know, yeah, I
(19:32):
think it was. It was an acceptable twist and a
good way to get them all into the world of
the undead. I have a question for you, though, Yeah,
I'm just gonna switch directions just a little bit. Delia Deats,
Delia Deats, you were talking about how much you love
her representation in this movie and how she sparkles on
(19:54):
the screen. Were you expecting the twist with her that
that she kicks the bucket?
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I was surprised.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well, I know they made a point like in the
movie and earlier when she says she wants to do
this like kind of seance or she wants to honor
the death of her husband, which is again the reason
why they all meet up again at thet in winter
Place or whatever the town it is. And she made
it a point like, oh, yeah, these snakes are safe,
like they're defanged. And so when she said that, in
my head, I'm like, are they again? So that just
(20:23):
kind of top bubble popped in my head. I'm like,
is are they? Then they moved on and then as
soon as like in that scene where she's at the cemetery,
she's videos hitting herself in front of her husband's grave
and she's doing like, you know, the whole spiel and stuff.
She holds the snakes up and the way the snakes
were coiled, I'm like, oh, those snakes are gonna bite her.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Oh those snakes are gonna get her.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
And then sure enough she got bit boom boom left
and right of the of the jugular and dies instantly.
And I loved how like afterwards she goes to the
afterlife and she's like, like, where's the VIP lounge? Like
I'm famous, I can't be here, like this is embarrassing,
da YadA.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
So that was really funny. Again, Catherine O. Harris, he's
just so freaking hilarious everything, and she she knows exactly
what movies she's doing. Yeah, and she was. She was
spot on.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
So it wasn't like a shocking thing that she died.
It was surprising, for sure, but I think it fell well.
And you know, continuing the story of now she's in
the afterlife and she's re reunited with her husband, who
is like who was comically killed. Yeah, the actor who
we shall not name because there's a reason why he's
not shown in this movie, like in live action for
(21:33):
crimes that are horrid, but and so I thought that
was hilarious and like the fact that they actually had
the husband being in the movie so often. Again, So, yeah,
so the husband dies, which I love the clamation because
they use a lot of claymation for this, And so
they use the clamation scene of like you know, revealing,
Oh my husband died, like how did it happen? Like, Oh,
(21:54):
he's on a plane flying to an island to watch
birds mates, and then the plane went down. And then
when others like, oh, he died in the plane crash,
like no, he survived the plane crash, but it crashed
into the ocean, like oh he drowned. No, it's like
it's a hot he die, like, oh, he was floating
and then like a shark bit his head off. Yeah,
and so that that was funny.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I love that they used claymation for that, that they
didn't bring this actor back, but he was still like
essential to the story, and they the ways that they
worked around having him in his likeness and the fact
that his head gets bitten off so that when we
see the remainder of his body later, you know, in
the afterlife, it's just you know, it's just a torso
(22:37):
just a torso yeah, no head also completely different voice.
They didn't even try it. I feel like they didn't
even try to replicate his voice. You didn't exactly because
you didn't need to. And I think in that way,
they kept the continuity of the story without giving this
guy any like credit, you know, which is I like
the way that they did that. I really really I was.
(22:59):
When the claimation came up, I'm like, ah, you know,
I had a big reaction to that.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, let's see. So yeah, Katherin O'Hara was great. I
do want to go just bounce back very quickly. But
then we can move on back to General Ortega's motivation
finding her her father. They do find him, like working
like the stamp booth that is like the immigration center
and so and then yeah, very convenient, but that's that's okay.
But my thing is that, like this was pre big motivation.
(23:26):
But I was unsatisfied with the reunion because I think
like the father was only in two maybe three scenes.
One of them is like she's being dragged off and
he sees her, I'm gonna help you. He rescues her,
and then they're having coffee with Ronona Writer's character in
like this lobby whatever, and after that, like he ushers
(23:47):
them out through stairs back into.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
The real world.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
And for how much Jenner Ortega's character, like how angry
she was at her mom for you know, not being
able to or either choosing to or not being able
to and in her mind talk to her father like
she there wasn't that emotional. I didn't feel that that,
you know, that that spot in my heart where like, oh,
(24:10):
like they get to embrace each.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Other and they missed each other, and I loved you
and I will always care for you. I always watch you,
and YadA YadA YadA, so like they had like but
there wasn't that emotional scene. Yeah, they like they, oh,
I love you, yeada, I've been watching you, YadA YadA YadA.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I wish you guys you know, won't fight because I
love you both on watching you. But there wasn't. There
wasn't that much. And so again he was only in
two to three scenes at most, and then that was it.
And so I thought that wasn't that didn't pay off
exactly how I wanted it to pay off.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I would have liked to have seen as should cry,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, yeah, that would have been or at least like
been embracing a hug, like a three away hug, like
like longer than like a second or two before they
walk up the stairs or whatever. But I had that
emotional impact and it shows, you know, the father died
in the Amazon because piranhas killed him, so that that
was a funny gimmick or whatever.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Yeah, but like you.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Can have you could have a I know, the movie
has a very good pacing, so it moves from scene
to scene to scene, which is good. At the same time,
I think you could have stretched that maybe a few
more minutes longer. Nothing too crazy, But like I didn't
feel the emotional impact that general Ortega's character. I think
she would have had for longing and missing her father
so much, so that that was a little nitpick there.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Willem Dafoe.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Willem Dafoe, he plays Jack Wolfman, who is this actor
who passed away, sorry wolf Jackson. Wolf Jackson, this actor
who loved doing his own stunts and then but one
day he died because he was using like a live
grenade in the scene and blew his brain or like
his skull open and you see his brain exposed, and
(25:43):
that's how he died, but like he in the real world,
he's an actor who does like these big movie like
detective or cop movies, and like he's like the slick
cop and YadA YadA, YadA. Yeah, and then he carries
that character that persona answered the afterlife and becomes a
detective of sorts. And every time he's on scene, he
was hilarious. He was charming, he was smooth, suave, he
(26:05):
was great. His assistants whose only job is subrium coffee,
that was a great bit.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
That was yeah, every scene yep.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Willem Dafoe knew the assignments and he aced it. So
that was a great addition to the to the movie.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
I would say the standout performers for me are him
or Willem Dafoe or Michael Keaton and Catherine O'Hara. Just
every time they are on screen, I was smiling. I was,
you know, completely satisfied and entertained and delighted. Like it
was just pure joy anytime any of the three of
(26:41):
them were on the screen. And I think that's what
makes you love this movie so so much. I mean,
they were just a lot of high highs that were
some of the low lows. Right, that was the bob.
There were some of the criticisms that we have here,
but yes, yeah, with the part of the brain hanging
out and the fact that he's like, I'm an actor
or you know, or you know, keep reminding him that
(27:02):
he's an Actress's just it's a real niceome.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
It's a little meta also, and it's just real funny
and it's it really works.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
It worked. What do you think about the climax?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
The wedding scenes again, so beetle Juice goes back his
his his plot is to marry uh Lydia and you know,
and and do that. So he tries the whole thing
spiel again in a church that was supposed to be
the wedding for justin the Rose and one in the
Manona writer's character. So that didn't pan out because he
interrupts it. And so what do you think about that climax?
I think there are highs in that in that final scenes,
(27:37):
in those final scenes, but there are also a couple
of low's. But what are your thoughts on on how
it ended?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
I mean, I think what what bothered me the most
we already covered was the beatle Juice's wife, Like have
be useless, they having no part in that part, no
part in that fight or whatever, not showing any of
her powers, not you know, not doing anything, just keetting
eaten by worm. But I thought, Okay, I feel like
(28:05):
the ending was a little bit rushed. That climax was
a little bit rushed. There were a few potholes beyond
the wife at the very very end, when Winona's character
Lydia Wright is just saying beetlejuice, beetlejuice, beetlejuice again, but
very slow and and like he's not even trying to
stop her anymore, Like you know, he's just kind of
given up at the end. Yeah, And the loophole in
(28:29):
the contract was awfully convenient, and and how was astrod
able to like read the book that quickly and find
that law, that that loophole in the middle of all
of the chaos. And but the the musical, what was
with the music? What was with the singing? I know
(28:50):
there had to be singing, right, but like, I don't know,
it felt like it made Beetlejuice a little too romantic,
and it was I was, I was so cringing and
uncooked to justify it in a fun way but also like,
what the heck am I watching? What is happening?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
The way I justify it is I think that you
know beatle juice. Yeah, like he wants to his mission
is to marry you know, letty you go into the real.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
World again or whennot. But at the end of the day,
he's also a showman. Done the flot.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Just fill your guts.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Who wants to go first?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
All right, I will see.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
I'm willing to do the work good.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
I think from my dream, really mort Ma militarial.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
He's like he's a he's a goofball, he's a demon.
So like, yeah, he could have done things like very
quickly and end of the ceremony and win and be
like be the big dad who wins at the end.
But he has to have fun with it, and it
is fun. It's not worth it. Yes, if there isn't pazzaz,
it's not worth it.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I mean I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. It was
just I didn't know what the hell I was watching.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, there's a part where it seemed like it was
going out too long, but then like it but then
like it hit a point again where I'm like, okay,
I'm back on board and so like it worked for me.
The just some thoroau you know, character confessing that he's
only dating and only wanted to marry went on a
writer's character.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Uh so he could be rich.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
That was satisfying.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, that was satisfying. Again, Michael Keatin as Beetle Juice fantastic.
He's he's great. They didn't do any classification of like
why he looks older, so you know, yeah, I don't
think you needed one.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
No, I don't think you need The makeup did a
good job of like covering them. I don't think anybody's
going to really care about that. But I do have
a question, James, I do a question for you because
I have this. I had this feeling towards the end,
and maybe it's because I'm just really messed up in
the head. Did you kind of feel like you wanted
Beetlejuice to marry Lydia, like you just wanted wanted this
(30:52):
to happen, because Okay, it's just me, I'm just messed up.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, Okay, if they did Okay, so if they wanted
to set up like the we're gonna make a part
three movie, ye marry them and then like it ends
with Beetlejuice winning, It's like, oh, it's kind of like
Thanos winning more I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Beetlejuice snap his fingers and win or whatever, and then like,
oh that's how it ends, and then like like people
can't wait for the third movie. So I think they
could have done that. I think they definitely are going
to make a third one because of the money it's
making and overall positive reviews. Yeah, so I think they
will make up a third one. But yeah, that would
been a great ending. It would have been cool if
they had a battle with Dolores and Beetlejuice and you
(31:34):
know the Deep's family they take part and maybe they
they are the ones who like read an incantation or
something and then to feed them both and YadA, YadA whatever.
So there are multiple ways this could have ended better.
Still a fun movie. The last thing I want to
add is what are your thoughts on Baby Beetlejuice.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Oh lord, no, not it was it was no.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
No when when it was unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I will say, however, the the design of the baby
and what it did was pretty funny.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
I thought. I thought I liked that part.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
The whole giving birth to it, with with the Winona
Writer's character and Jenna Ortega's character were like, yeah, I
probably didn't need that, but the aftermath of the baby
just being there, like gnawing on Monona's leg and like
looking up side eyed, that I thought that looked cute
and creepy.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
And I thought that was fun.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
But it was like nibbles, it like little nibbles.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Fine, she's fine. That was fun.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
And then the baby crawling on the walls and stuff
and like it was very good. Animatronics are very good
practical effects that, so I liked it.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
So I thought that was funny.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I just you know, when I said, delightfully demented, but
something's crossed the line, like Bob and the baby cross
the line, Like it was just no, I don't need
that visual look I've given birth. I just know, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
The birth was not necessary.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I didn't need it, but you know, it's great for
the movie. It's great. It's fantastic, it looks cool. It's
super super creepy, but it gives me the Hibby gbs.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
So okay, well those are my thoughts on beetlejuice, beetle juice,
anything else you want to add.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
I think this is mostly covered.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I want to see this. I want to see another movie.
I want to see Beetle Juice, Beetle Juice, Beetle Juice.
I want to see Dolores come back and have some meaning.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I wanted to be like Tim Burtons, like, no, you
don't get to do that.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Like, but if she doesn't come back, it's even more meaningless.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
So I just after what they did to Bob, if
Bob can't come back, Dolores can't come back.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
But for that, I.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Think that she will come back, she will be thoroughly defeated,
and that all of the souls that she sucked will
return to life.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
And done this movie, then they should have just done
in this movie her in a grandiose way. Bob comes
back in this movie, everybody's happy, like that's all they
had to do.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
James has broken.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
You can tell Tim Burton.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you're hurting.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I'm hurt, ridiculous. Okay, Well, let us know what you
think about Beetle Juice, Beetle Juice. What do you think
about Bob's demise?
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Was justified?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Was unjustified? It was unjustified, I'm telling you right now. Well,
comment down below let us know what you think and
all that jazz baby beetlejuice in the background. That is
baby beetlejuice somewhere roaming around right now. But yeah, thank
you so much for tuning into the spoiler review of
Beetle Juice.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Beetle Juice common down below. What are your thoughts? Follow
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Speaker 1 (34:34):
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Speaker 3 (34:45):
All of the above, all of the above Until next time.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
I'm James Beetle.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
We'll see you then. As
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