Can Governor Newsom Appeal to African American Voters?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I continue to believe that Gavin Newsom does not have
a very good shot of winning the governor the presidential
nomination for the Democrats in twenty twenty eight. I think
he's a long shot to win the nomination, and I
think he's an even longer shot to win the whole thing.
And right now might be an example of why. And

(00:25):
I'm sort of wondering if Newsom himself is starting to
realize this. So this past weekend there was a big
shindig in South Carolina. The South Carolina Democrats hosted Congressman
James Clyburn's fish fry in Columbia, South Carolina. This is

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a big deal. Apparently, Jim Clyburn, the Democrat congressman from
South Carolina, is the reason Joe Biden became president. For
those who don't remember, in twenty nineteen into twenty twenty,
Joe Biden's presidential primary campaign was flailing. It was broken

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and weak, and it was clear that other people were
doing much better than him, guys like Pete Boodagij. Even
Pete Boutagige was doing better. Amy Klobeshar was doing better.
All these different Democrats were doing better, and critically, Bernie
Sanders was doing better. Biden did not have an impressive

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showing in Iowa, he did not have an impressive showing
in New Hampshire. And what happened. The Democrats all realized
Bernie's gonna win this thing. So we got to figure
out what we're doing here. We need a candidate who
cancredibly beat Bernie. And the one thing Bernie has always
been weak with is African American voters. And none of

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the other options in the field, Elizabeth Warren, Pete Boudage,
Jamie Klobe Shark, none of them are connecting with African
American voters. The only person that African American voters like
and trust because they connected with him during the Obama
years is affable Used car salesman Joe Biden. So Jim Clyburn,

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being the adult in the Democrat room and realizing that
Bernie Sanders was an unacceptable option, that Trump would clean
Bernie Sanders clock, that Trump would probably clean the clock
of these other lightweights, knowing that they needed to get
the black vote, turned out backed the person who had
the best chance of getting the Black vote, Joe Biden.

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Key backs Joe Biden, Biden wins South Carolina, Biden then
dominates Super Tuesday and lo and behold, Biden is the
twenty twenty nominee. So South Carolina is critical for Democrats,
and Jim Clyburn's endorsement is critical for Democrats if they

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want to win the presidency. So when Jim Clyburn has
this fish fry in Columbia, South Carolina, it's, you know,
interesting to see the kinds of people who take the
time out of their schedules to go. And we've got

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Governor Wesmore, the governor of Maryland there, and we've got
Tim Walls, the governor of Minnesota there at this fish
fry that took place this last weekend. Not there is
Gavin Newsom. Now is wes More a real contender for

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the presidency? Maybe? I don't really know much any which
way about Wesmore. Frankly, I do know a lot about
Tim Walls. I think Tim Walls is, you know, he
had his brush with the glitz and the glam and
the fame of a presidential contest. He clearly wants more.

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He's clearly signaling that he wants to run for president
in twenty twenty eight. I find it very difficult to
believe that he's gonna do any good. He keeps trying
to pitch himself as and Democrats keep trying to talk
themselves into the notion that Tim Walls is exactly the
secret sauce they need. Democrats are doing badly with men,

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They're doing badly, especially with young men, and they keep saying, well,
we need a guy who can relate to white, blue collar,
working class dudes who keep voting overwhelmingly for Trump and Republicans.
And the problem is that that's not really who Tim
Walls is. He's not like a guy's guy. He's and

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and nor was that the base of his support in Minnesota.
I have a bit of an insight into Minnesota politics,
my wife being a native of Minnesotan, her my in
laws still living there. It's actually really funny. My mother
in law is not I love my mother in law
to death. My mother in law is not a super

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political gal. She's very conservative, she's very pro life. Hasn't
always been crazy about everything with Trump, but you know, prefers, prefers,
you know, pro life policies over whatever Kamala Harris would
have served up. She's not a super charged political kind

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of per though. But boy does she hate Tim Walls.
She hates Tim Walls. She hates Tim Walls more than
you hate you, and I hate Gavin Newsom. Okay, like
every every bit of loathing that you there, my beloved
power talk listeners, every bit of loathing that you may

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have for Gavin Newsom, my mother in law has for
Tim Walls and more. This fairly non politically charged woman, boy,
she hates Tim Walls. So I have a bit of
an insight into Tim Walls and his you know, his work,
and his political support in Minnesota, and my wife always
she repeats the line that I think is great. Tim

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Walls is not the governor of Minnesota because he has
you know, white guy farmers voting for him. He's the
governor of Minnesota because he's the candidate of Somalian women
who live in Minneapolis. That's who. That's his base of
support is super left winging urbanites, not rural Minnesotans wearing

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Carhart jackets going to work. No, that's his base. His
base of support is urbanite liberals. So the notion that
he's really gonna grab the support of that kind of population,

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including the population of African Americans, I'm not sure that
Walls is necessarily the guy for that, but again suspiciously
not at this event is Gavin Newsom. And I do
think Iowa and South Carolina are gonna be real challenges
for Newsom. Why well, California African Americans have you know,

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always kind of looked at Gavin Newsom. Not a scance,
but like there were always these tensions in racial politics about,
you know, especially when Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newsom has had
to appoint people to different Senate seats, and when the
Senate seat that Alex Padilla filled ultimately was vacant. Basically,

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after Kamala Harris got elected Vice President of the United States,
her Senate seat was vacant, and it was Gavin Newsom's
responsibility at the government as the governor to nominate someone
to replace her. And there was real anger among California
African Americans that Gavin Newsom replaced a black female senator

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with a Latino male Alex Padilla. Now, Newsom tried to
kind of make up for it. He sort of tried
to make up for it. Alex Padilla had been the
California Secretary of State. He nominated a black woman, Shirley Weber,
to the Secretary of State position that Padilla had vacated.

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And then when Dianne Feinstein died, he appointed Lafonza Butler
to be the US Senator. But Butler stated that she
wasn't going to run for reelection. Adam Schiff wound up
getting that seat. So California African Americans kind of were like, well, no,
not super in love with Gavin Newsom. And that's the

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problem with Newsom again. He's he does fine in California
because he's got all the money behind him in California.
He's got the Getty family, he's got the Willie Brown
Magic Circle, he's got now Silicon Valley money. He had
everyone behind him. So and and how do you win

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a statewide office in California. You win statewide office in
California by having more money than your other Democrat opponents,
which allows you to run ads in the Los Angeles
television market. If you do that, then you get the
appropriate name recognition, and that's how you win. You don't
win on the strength of being a great debater. You
don't win on the strength of accomplishments, God forbid. You

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win on the strength of name recognition, and you get
name recognition with money and campaign ads, Well, that's not
necessarily how you win presidential contests or presidential primary contests.
You don't necessarily win it with more money. You have
to appeal to people in different kinds of ways. And

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I just don't see Gavin Newsome connecting with the kinds
of voters he's got to connect with, especially in the
early running of the Democrat primaries. The idea of Gavin
Newsome walking through the Iowas date fair in whatever three

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thousand dollars outfit he's wearing, because he's basically I have
the theory that Gavin Newsom is never wearing an outfit
that costs less than three thousand dollars. The idea of
him eating a corn dog, you know, this guy who
dines at the French laundry, just doesn't seem like that's
gonna work. The guy who is so comfortable dining at

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the French laundry apparently that he even goes there during
the COVID pandemic. So I just don't see that happening.
And I also don't see him necessarily really fitting in
with South Carolina. I don't see him fitting in with
African American voters and that's just his own appeal, likability, sensibility.

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The I mean, I think Walls has a better shot
of connecting with Iowans and South Carolina South Carolinians than
Gavin Newsom does. Walls at the very you know, say
what you will about him. I don't think he gives
off the air of being a Cadillac liberal. Newsome one
hundred percent has consciously promoted projected that image. If you

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don't think that's true, then tell him to get a haircut.
I mean, I mean, there's he He's got the Gordon Gecko,
you know, pat Riley's slicked back hair haircut, the whole
point of which is to make you look like a
billionaire like he Clearly people have told him, hey, you

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realize what that haircut makes you look like? Right? I
don't know. Maybe he's got so many yes men in
his life, he's got knowing the fact that it's sort
of a sad thing that perhaps Gavin Newsom has nobody
in his life who loves him enough to tell him
you look like a freaking moron. Just get a normal haircut.

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You've got great hair, You've got a great hair line.
You know, maybe that's assisted in some way. But however,
you've got it, You've got a great hairline. Just get
a normal haircut. Look at Tom Cruise. Get a haircut
like that. You know, mission impossible. To accept it. My

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wife has a theory. I don't think it's unique to her,
but she certainly ascribes to it that the quality of
a Tom Cruise movie is inversely proportionate to hair length.
So the longer is hair, the worse the movies. Mission impossible,
two worst, Mission impossible, Mission impossible. One. Short haircut great,
Top Gun, short hair great. Few good Men, short haircut great.

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Jack Reacher short haircut pretty good. Last Samurai long haircut
not so hot anyway. So just on likability, I don't
see Gavin Newsom going very far. But when we return,
I want to talk about just I want to try
and list out catastrophe after catastrophe after catastrophe after catastrophe

(14:04):
that Newsom would have to respond to on the campaign
trail that's next on the John Girardi Show. I want
to see if I can list out the full list
of Gavin Newsome catastrophes, because people sort of idly still
talk about him as oh boy, he's a formidable candidate.

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I've heard conservatives say this, like they hear Gavin Newsom
talk and they get convinced by the snake oil appeal.
You know, he's you know, he's a smooth talker, he's affable.
But I just don't think he's a real credible contender
because you got to actually like if anyone brings up
his record, and his record is not one of like

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partisan Democrat accomplishments that make Republicans mad and Democrats happy.
He's got problems that everyone can you can recognize as
problems and that an ambitious Democrat primary opponent will point out.
So here are some of the value neutral politics neutral

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catastrophes that have happened under Gavin Newsom. One wildfires. We
had really bad wildfires in twenty nineteen twenty twenty, Newsom
committed to doing stuff to fix it and prevent it.
And then in January of twenty twenty five, we have
the worst wildfire ever, destroying tons of homes in Los

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Angeles construction new housing. We've had a problem. It's been
a problem for a long time. It was a problem
with when Newsom was campaigning in twenty eighteen, and it's
still a problem today that we're not building enough new
homes in California to meet demand, and that's causing the

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housing market to price out. Basically everybody under I don't
know a very upper middle class income. People who do
get houses are very often paying extremely small amounts in
down payments, so they have to get mortgage insurance. The
cost of housing in California is out of control. It

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was a problem in twenty eighteen when Newsom ran for governor.
It's still a problem today with no real solution in sight.
That's just a flat out political reality gas prices. Gas
prices were high in California, we knew. Some took office,
and starting next year, gas prices are going to be

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astronomically higher in direct response to a bill Gavin Newsom
passed last year. By the way, gas prices are really high.
They're going to be higher than every other state in
the Union by a long shot. That has to be

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on new I mean again, high gas prices doesn't cut
Republican democrats. It's not like Democrats like high gas prices
and Republicans don't like it. Nobody likes high gas prices,
Nobody likes wildfires, nobody likes overly expensive housing and cost
of living what else do we have the high speed rail.

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There was not one inch of operable track for the
high speed rail in twenty eighteen when Newsom ran for governor.
There is still exactly zero inches of operable track for
the high speed rail and huge questions about whether they'll
ever get the funding, whether California will ever get the
funding to pay for it. So the high speed rail

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and the high speed rail is now at this point
open to criticism from the like of Ezra Kleine, New
York Times columnist, you know, leading liberal light in political commentary.
Liberals are getting ticked off at this. Someone's gonna bring
it up, Gavin Newsom's bullet train that he just can't build.
Someone will be if the idea of a bullet train

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is great, but clearly Gavin Newsom's not the man to
do it, Why would you trust him to do it?
And then they'll talk about I was able to do
all kinds of infrastructure. Pap pap pap pap, pap up
the budget. Gavin Newsom inherited from Jerry Brown a relatively
stable state budget. Today, Gavin Newsom has a state budget

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with a structural deficit every year ten to twenty billion
dollars in deficit spending structural deficit, meaning that it's not
just going to be a fluky thing where one year
we'll have a ten billion dollar deficite, but maybe the
next year we'll have a ten billion dollars surplus. No,

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it's just they've over committed in spending, and they've over
committed relative to the amount of revenue that they can
expect to get year over year by about twenty billion
dollars ten to twenty billion dollars every year, and that
number could go up. Healthcare. In his efforts to fix
the whole structural deficit thing, Gavin Newsom is having to

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roll back his own introduced policies of expanding medical eligibility.
Gavin Newsom ran on a platform of universal, single payer
healthcare for California. He abandoned the single payer idea. He
then switched to I'm just going to expand medical eligibility
so that every single person can be covered in California.

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He expanded, expanded, expanded. He then expands it to illegal
aliens who newsflash, there are a lot more illegal aliens
apparently than Newsom anticipated. It was a a lot more
expensive than Newsom anticipated. It's totally busting the budget, and
Newsom had to embarrassingly roll it back. JB. Pritzker is

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in a similar situation. By the way. Now, expanding medical
eligibility might cut a certain way. Maybe Republicans don't like it,
and some Republicans don't like it, and some Democrats do.
But the fact that Newsom had to roll back his
own policy is universally recognizable as an embarrassing failure. Again,

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not a thing that's going to cut along partisan lines.
No matter which way you slice it, people will criticize him.
Look at how you improvidently did this, and now you're
cutting I mean, an ambitious Democrat would say, you're cutting
health insurance for lower income immigrants and minority communities. Homelessness

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the state twenty twenty four and more than that by now.
But by the first half of twenty twenty four, California
had spent twenty four billion dollars in combating homelessness, and
the state auditors said, Wow, you spent that really improvidently.

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You have no metrics for determining whether or not that
money was effectively spent. The programs were so poorly conceived
that you don't even have the data to see whether
it worked, and it seems it hasn't worked. We've spent
and Newsom has admitted as much by trying to shift
the blame to local government figures who are administering all

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this state money. Again, nobody likes homelessness. And by the way,
no one has had more time to work on the
issue of homelessness than Gavin Newsom for eight years is
by that time in the twenty twenty eight primaries, eight
years as governor, eight years as lieutenant governor, seven years
of Sanford Cisco, a city where homelessness has been a

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huge problem for decades, and over his seven years as
Maria of San Francisco, homelessness massively increased. Nobody likes homelessness.
Nobody thinks more homelessness is a good idea. This is
not a Republican thing, not a Democrat thing. He is
open to attack. So just issue after issue after issue

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after issue, Newsome has catastrophic failures that aren't really partisan, cooded,
and those are the reasons why I just can't fathom
that he's gonna win. And then you get to social issues.

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Now he's ticked off both the left and the right
with his stance on transgenderism. By admitting that boys playing
girls sports is unfair, He's ticked off the Democrat base,
whom you need to win to win the primary, and
he sticked off Republicans by saying, well, if you think
it's unfair, why didn't you do anything about it? Number one,
this is obviously a crass political turn you're doing. And two,

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why did you sign legislation letting you know male inmates
into female prisons? Why did you sign legislation so that
kids can socially transition at school without the parents knowing
about it. Again, that's going to be a thing that
cuts both ways in a bipartisan fashion for him. Democrats

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are going to be unhappy with his views on trends
and Republicans will be for these reasons, I submit to you,
my dear friends, I do not fear Gavin Newsom. I
do not fear him in the Democrat primary, and I
do not fear him running against jd Vance for president
in twenty twenty eight. I think he is unbelievably vulnerable

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and beatable. When we return, more thoughts from this past
weekend and a biological as if there's any other kind
a boy winning the girls' state championships in several track
and field events. That's next on the John's Already Show.
I have a few final thoughts from the weekend, my

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coverage of all the events surrounding the California State High
School Track and Field Championships that took place up Buchanon.
Basically the long and short of it, a male one,
the women's girls competition for high jump, tied for first
and high jump, won the triple jump by a mile,

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and came in second place in the long jump. And
a couple of thoughts from the whole weekend. So I
want to start with talking about Diane Pierce, the Clovis
City Council member currently the mayor pro tempore of the
City of Clovis. The mayor designation in Clovis kind of

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bops between bops among the various members of the Clovis
City Council. I don't think the mayor being the mayor
of Clovis doesn't necessarily mean all that much. I think
it just means you preside over the meetings of the
Clovis City Council. But I think it's largely ceremonial. You
just have one vote on the city Council, just like
anyone else. You don't have veto power the way that say,

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the mayor of Fresno does now. Diane Pierce has been
the subject of a lot of local criticism and is
really at the heart of a kind of philosophical debate
that happens all the time in local politics. Whenever there's

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usually a usually when it's a conservative member of the
city council or the county Board of Supervisors, either the
presdent city Council or in this case, the Clovid City Council.
This philosophical debate happens where people just sort of assert
things without actually debating the underlying philosophy, which is, what

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is the role of a city council member? What is
their job? Should they engage with topics that are of
national concern or of statewide concern, or should they pretty

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much one hundred percent restrict themselves to the business of
local government potholes, hiring cops, et cetera. Very often this
is the criticism that's given, and Diane Pierce herself has
been an intense object of this criticism. Lynn Ashbeck, a

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long serving member of the clov City Council, has been
very vocal in criticizing Diane Pierce for precisely this. She
had an op ed in the Fresno b blasting Diane
Pierce after Miss Pierce tried to get the City of
Clovis to go on board with efforts legal efforts by

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other cities in the state of California to contest California's
designation as a sanctuary state. Meaning California has state laws
on the books that limit the ability of California law enforcement.
Whether that's local cops, whether that's the California Highway Patrol,

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all police in California are kind of bound by this
other than federal officers, Like this doesn't apply to federal
officers like the DEA or the FBI. Local police and
state police agencies in California cannot cooperate with ICE, the
Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency in certain respects assisting them

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in deportation efforts. California has state laws on the books
that limit the ability of state police to cooperate with them.
So Diane Pearce was saying, Look, there are other cities
in California that are wanting to put together lawsuit to
challenge California's state law. I think we should join them.

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I think we should join in these efforts to try
to bring California more into conformity, to get rid of
basically this sanctuary state designation, and whether that's through lawsuits,
whether it's through constitutional challenges, whatever it may be. And
her proposal basically got completely stymied at the Clovi City Council.

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She'd gathered community support and said, hey, I'd love to
have people be here to be in support of what
I'm doing, and here, I think this is an important thing.
I think this would be a good thing for Clovis
to stand up for. And she got local folks to
come to a Clovi City Council meeting and give their
quick citizen testimony, and that seriously ticked off Lynn Ashbeck,

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seemingly so much so that she writes an op ed
in the Fresno b about it, with the idea being basically,
this is beyond the preserve of the city of Clovis.
And the thing is, is it the role of city
government is in part it's yes, certainly it's fixing potholes, Yeah,

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it's hiring cops. But the role of city government is
not always a political and philosophically neutral. Very often questions
about profound matters of disagreement at the federal and statewide
political level do in fact touch upon an impact local government.

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You know, the example that's always given is you shouldn't
be focused on that stuff. You should be focused on
more potholes and more police. One as if you can't
walk in chew gum at the same time. But two
the idea of hiring more police circa twenty twenty one,
twenty twenty twenty twenty one. For those of you who

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have memories longer than a goldfish, the topic of whether
to hire more police was a hotly disputed topic of
deep ideological division. Only very recently. We act as though

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fixing potholes and hiring cups the bread and butter of
local government work doesn't emerge from some kind of philosophical presuppositions.
It does. And we also act as though these big
matters don't ever touch our little, humble community. They do.

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Policing touches our community. Illegal immigration touches our community. You
don't think crime committed by illegal aliens has ever impacted Clovis.
Could impact Clothes, of course, it could impact Clovis. Clothes
is a big city. At this point, it's got like
one hundred twenty thousand people, right, This isn't like a
town of five thousand folks. Illegal immigration genuinely touches upon

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politics in Fresno, and Clovis it one hundred percent does.
It's a totally reasonable thing for a city to say, Hey,
our local government has to do the work of policing
in ways that relate to persons who are in the
country illegally, some of whom commit crimes, so we would

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like to do something about it, like joining efforts to
help get this overturned. Pierce has taken a ton of
flack for holding positions on those kinds of topics, and
yet here she is leading the charge on the transgender debate.

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Statewide track meets held in Clovis. It touches upon Clovis.
Clovis hosts this event, hosts these athletes, wants a safe,
welcoming environment, and yet we're letting a boy compete with
the girls, letting a boy have accommodations with the girls.
And here's Diane Pierce, a Clovis City council member. There's
not much that the Clovis City Council can do to

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change state law regarding boys competing girl sports. It's something
that's sanctioned by a statute that was passed by the
California legislature back in twenty thirteen. And yet what happens
to Diane Pierce. Diane Pierce standing on an island when
she's talking about stuff like illegal immigration and the sanctuary

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state laws of California. Dian Pierce has left abandoned on
an island, talking about that left somewhat on an island
by other members of the Close City Council got mad
at her for talking about say sexually offensive material in
the children's section of the Clovist branch of the Presdent
County Library, getting mad at her for raising a county

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issue in a city council meeting. They all flocked to her.
Every local Republican politician except Lynn Ashbeck, I guess was
at that press conference. Vince Fong sent somebody. I assume

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Vince Pong was in DC, but he sent a stafford there.
Shannon Grove was stuck in Sacramento. She sent a message.
She wanted Diane to read her message at the press conference.
David Tongypat was there, Gary Brettefeld was there, Nathan Magzig
was there. Everyone flocked to her. You know Gary Bredefeld,

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another politician locally who has received that kind of a
treatment of the kind that Diane Pierce has so often received.
So I this was one of my big reflections from
the day, was from the weekend, rather was the leadership
role she played. I don't know what's next, what could

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be in the future for Diane Pierce. All I'd say is,
if there's a higher office up there than Clovis City
council member, I hope she runs four because I think
she'd do a great job when we return my conviction
that no one has ever changed anyone's mind with a bullhorn.
Next on the John Girardi Show, at the risk of

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hitting to the right and criticizing people on the right
and the idea there should be no no enemies on
the right, well, I think I'm going to do just
that at least a little bit. One of the things
from the past weekend that I noticed was some of
the interaction, not all, maybe not most, some of the

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protesters who were in favor of keeping boys out of
girls' sports who were outside of Buchanan's Veterans Memorial Stadium,
and one of the protesters had a bullhorn into which
he was yelling for most of the afternoon, much of
the afternoon on Saturday, yelling phrases no boys and girl sports,

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no boys and girl sports. And you know, being out
on the corner with them and seeing some of the
interactions that took place. Now, there was a very aggressive
pro transgender protester who attacked someone and was arrested for it.
So no one was being on the conservative side was
being violent, certainly, But I just just my contention. No

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one's ever been persuaded by a bullhorn. The bullhorn is
not an an item used for persuading someone to agree
with you. No. No one has ever had a certain
kind of political idea heard someone yelling about it into
a bullhorn and thought, Aha, well that makes sense. I
will now change my mind. The bullhorn is not the topic,

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not the weapon of persuasion. The pen is mightier than
the sword, the bullhorn is weaker than both. I think
conservatives are not always able to understand their interlock hutters

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the people they're talking with, and we have to maybe
do a better job of understand not compromising the truth
by any means, but seeing people where they are, hearing
where they are, and actually having a reasonable discussion with
them in a way that doesn't devolve into yelling. Now,

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maybe I'm being you know, too much of a you know,
an altar boy here, but I'm just saying, if you
actually want to persuade people, bullhorns are not the thing.
Yelling is not the thing. And I think too many
folks on the right devolve into that kind of activity,

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evolve into those kinds of stunts. I mean, I know
in the stadium during the event, the presence of the
bullhorn for a bunch of parents who were just there
to watch their kids compete in the state track and
field event was actively making them dislike the conservative protesters
more and more and more the more the bullhorn was
going on. So again, no one's ever been convinced by

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a bullhorn that'll do it. John Jorroady Show, See you
next time on Power Talk