August 28, 2025 • 18 mins
Chris Fronzak of Attila joins me at Inkarceration Festival to talk about the band’s wild new album, why they’ve stayed independent, and his unfiltered thoughts on the current state of metal. We also dive into his life off stage—from racing Porsches at Daytona to crazy tour stories and pre-show rituals. If you love raw, honest interviews with your favorite artists, this one is a must-watch!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo, what up? This is Franz from Matila. We got
a new album coming out soon. Stay tuned. You're listening
to the Kevin Powell podcast. Let's go, baby, I'm about
to go steal a forklift and just drive it into
things for just to prove a point, right that I
can do it, that I can do it.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And I also they might be like, all right, you're
helping the rest of the day.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'll be like, I'm playing the concert, and that's how
I'm gonna pay my bill. So let me wreck shit
with the fucking forklift. I don't know, and that's how
we're starting the ope.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So Hey, it's Kevin pel Day three Incarceration with Kevin
pell Podcast and I'm sitting right across from Chris from Matilla.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Chris, how we feel today? I'm feeling great. I woke
up like an hour ago and I had a vodka
breakfast and now I'm just simply existing. Very excited to
play Incarcerations, one of my favorite festivals. I feel like, actually,
I'm fucking up bad. I'm breaking the fourth wall. I
(01:01):
keep looking Hey, what's up? Hello, Hello, Hi. It's like
I'm talking to you, but I'm just being a total
fucking dipshit. I mean, I'll break the fourth wall. I'm
just gonna look at you. I'm doing good, very very exerted,
very excited for incarceration. One of my favorite festivals, besides
(01:23):
Welcome to Rockville down in Daytona, which you guys just played. Yeah,
NASCAR fest my favorite. NASCAR is a big part of
my life. Yes, did you get the race around the track?
I actually brought my Porsche there the first time we played,
and I did race it around the track in about
fifteen cops put their lights on. I didn't know they
had incarceration cops, and they told me like, shoot it,
(01:46):
shut it the fuck do And I'm like, I'm fucking
playing the show. And they're like, you're not allowed to
go on the track. And I'm like, but I have
a fucking race car, so why can't I go on
the track. My car is a race car. Shut up.
And I was like, all right, do it again. So yeah,
I have personally raced on Daytona Motors Speedway too twice,
(02:07):
two times. Okay, so keep doing it. I'm a part
time driver, yeah, yeah, I'm a NASCAR driver.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
And when's a lot of time you were here at
Ache incarceration was two years ago, so we took one
year off, but two years ago we are here.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
How do you feel about the new layout so far?
I don't know anything about it, Okay, I haven't seen
anything at all.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I mean day three it's a little I mean it
kind of flooded yesterday and you'll hear all the construction.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
It looks a little wet. Yeah, but I like it
when things are wet, So I mean, of course I
think it'll be good. What's what's with the new layout? Like,
what's going on? So they switch it up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
And Dan Jansen talked to him yesterday and they were like,
you know what we want to I mean they've been
taking feedback from fans over the years and they wanted
to kind of switch up where the stages are and
the media in tents different.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
From where it was last year. And when you look
out of.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
The stage and you see where the VIP is, you're
gonna go okay because where people sit the VIP they
have perfect It's like, so they made it way better. Yeah,
I mean it's always to complain, but it's still pretty good.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's awesome. Yeah, I love that. If it rains today,
I just have this tradition where if we play and
it rains while we play, I have to I have
to go into the grass and roll in the mud
like like a pig, like a hog, and you know,
sometimes the mud gets in my mouth and I have
to eat it. If it gets in my mouth, I
(03:28):
have to swallow mud. That's okay. So it's just a
pre show thing. That's what I do.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Speaking of pre show things, what do you do to
like warm up get ready for a festival like this?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I usually just drink a lot of vodka and like
jack off a little bit, all right, you know, like edging.
I mean what edging is. Of course, that's what I do. Okay,
So I get I get real excited, and then I
drink vodka. I mean that's a good way to hit
the stage. Yeah, because I come out there like very aggressive,
like I'm ready to go, and you know I'm gonna
unleash wrath. I'm very angry you have.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I mean, I've listened to a few new singles as
they've come out, and you take order with Dicky l
And yeah, I was that's my boy, Dickie's awesome.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
That was awesome. That song is cool as shit. We
haven't played that song live yet actually, but Dicky Allen's awesome.
He's one of my closest friends. I think a lot
of the new songs we put out are really fucking cool.
I like America's Rejects. We're playing that one today. And yeah,
we also have a full album that we're about to release.
We don't have an exact date yet, but I would
(04:31):
say it's not what people are gonna expect, Like it's
not like it's not like we're trying to make a
fucking what octane album, like serious octane. Everyone just sounds
the same. Like, I like, our whole concept going into
this album is that we just hate everything, like all
the like honestly, like I'm not I'm not even gonna
(04:52):
be like a fucking I'm not even gonna lie to anyone,
Like I hate almost all the bands, like on this
festival and on everything I think sounds the same. It's
like octane core. Like now, it's like it's like the
same shit, the same chorus, the same you get predicted. Yeah,
it's predictable. It's fucking boring. So we wrote an album
(05:12):
that's kind of like it's like you you don't know
what's gonna happen? Like it goes from like song one
is an ass beater, like you want to just punch
holes in drywall. Song two is a country song, and
then it's like it goes to something else and then
we end with like a Southern Baptist like black church
(05:34):
choir gospel song mixed with like tech death metal. So
it's like we just like we want to get you
to do what you want. We want exactly because we're
unsigned and we produce our own music, so we write
music to basically like mind fuck you. We want you
to listen to our ship and be like, what the
(05:55):
hell is happening. So that's kind of the direction we're
going because we we are inspira for our new music
was the lack of inspiration with everyone else where. We
hear a song on Octane and we're like, this is
the stupidest shit we've ever heard in our life, Like
this song sucks, and then we're like, that's our inspiration
to not be like that. I just figured out before
(06:16):
we started rolling.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You're like, you remind me of someone I think we
interacted on Twitter years and years and years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
So in Dying Arms, you did a feature with them
for I did. I did.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
That was a good one, and they did a tour
back in West Virginia and I hopped on stage.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
With in Dying Arms, Did you do my part? I did?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And you reacted to it? And I think that might
be where you remember that that's like sick yas ago,
that's sick. That's all the video. I'll show you later.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
That in Dying Arms song that I did a feature
on is so sick. Think that song.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Slaps Ryan's my boy. He's such a great guy, certified banger.
So twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six with this album,
but like it could be either because we don't have
a fall tour planned yet, but so it could be
like fall.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Or winter twenty twenty five or most likely twenty twenty six,
I think for the new album.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, okay, how many new singles in twenty twenty five?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Maybe I think we're gonna drop at least like two
more before the end of the year, because we got it.
We realized it's been like almost eight months. I think
it's been actually, yeah, eight months since we dropped America's
Rejects and that was our last single, and it's like, damn,
that's actually like kind of too long, Like we got
to drop something right.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
A lot of bands, somehow, some way either predict that
they were gonna play a festival like Incarceration, and they
already like had the distributors put the song ready to
go for like July whatever day. It was on Friday,
and I was like, what a perfect time to drop
an album, drop a song. It's a lot of prevail
to drop their new album on Friday here the day
(07:55):
before they played the festival. It was like pretty smart genius.
But they're like I interviewed him yesterday. They're like, yeah,
we didn't plan that. It was just this is the
day we want to do it.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Well, maybe they didn't plan it. Maybe they're lay body,
you know.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
What I mean?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah you would know that's yeah, yeah yeah. Like the
band's like whenever you're signed and this and that, you
don't really decide anything. And I think that's the cool
part about Tila is that we decide everything. Like we
are unsigned, we do whatever the fuck we want. If
we we can click a button and drop the album
tomorrow if we want it, We're not going to do it, okay,
(08:29):
but we could. We could drop a song tomorrow. We
could just like we can do anything we want. But
these are things that a label would have a heart
attack about.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So absolutely, So you have an interesting dynamic that I
think you can answer better than anybody here at the
entire festival. What's the best approach to releasing something rather
be an EP and album on a single? Like, there's
a lot of differences between twenty years ago, ten years ago,
five years ago and now.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Major difference. So when I started at Tilla twenty years ago,
doing a full album was very standard, Like there was
no such thing as singles. It was just you dropped
an album, there you go. And the biggest difference is
twenty years ago everyone didn't have brain rot from fucking
TikTok social media. So twenty years ago, if you released
(09:18):
an album, people would sit down like roll a blunt
with their friends, smoke the bunt, listen to the whole
album front to back, no skips like the good old days.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
They could also why the physical album and actually do
something with it.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, exactly, they bought the physical CD at the time,
they would flip it open, put it in like because
me and my friends did this twenty years ago. We'd
smoke a fat fucking blunt. We would save up our
money for the good stuff, put the CD in, and
then we would pass around the CD booklet that had
the lyrics because you didn't have a phone to look
up lyrics, so you just looked at the booklet and
(09:54):
you're like, ah, cool. And then there's like we used
to do like little hidden like shit in the CD booklet,
hidden photos, like hidden.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It was cool, almost like when video games used to
play like things in with the case yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And then we would do like a hidden track where
it's like, you know you after song ten, it plays
silence for like six minutes and then you get something
else like that. Shit. I really I really miss that.
That was like the best era to be alive. Now.
Basically we're dealing with a bunch of like people who
have mushy brains, like mushy brains, brain rot. They don't
(10:28):
really have an attention span beyond fifteen seconds maximum. So
I think, if you're a band coming up now in
twenty twenty five, first of all, good fucking luck. Second
of all, be prepared. People don't have an attention span,
So if you don't capture their attention within fifteen seconds
or less, like you're not gonna succeed. So it's probably
(10:48):
harder to be a band now than it was when
we started twenty one years ago. So singles are the
way now. Singles are the Singles are the way now,
just because I don't want to do singles, like because
I want to do like an I want to do
an album that's like thematic, that has like like the
songs flow into each other and there has like a theme.
(11:08):
But that's just simply people just start smart enough for that.
Everyone's brains are mushy and stupid. So we got a
hugging tractor. Awesome. Yeah, crank up the generator, dude.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh yeah, well, good thing. These are noise isolating, so
we're good. Oh cool, So it sounds good.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So I look like the man yelling at the wall
or something like there's like nothing happening. I look like
I'm schizophrenic. That's awesome. I love it. Yeah. So yeah, No,
singles are the move just because you get the same
attention from a single that you do from a full album.
And it's stupid. I hate it. I fucking hate it, dude,
(11:48):
like it. Albums should pull way more weight, but people
if you drop an album go like, put it on
for like a few seconds and turn it off. It's like,
if you guys are all saying get the exactly, then
it's you're cooked. So singles make a lot more sense.
I put it out and people are like, all right,
one song, not a big commitment, Like, sorry, I don't
(12:11):
have three minutes of my day, but I got to
listen to this whole song before I get my fucking
uber eats order, Like you know, I.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Mean, I'll be honest if I see a song as
over five six minutes long, Oh hell no, I'm always
like nope.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Now in the classics, I'm like, I don't really want
to listen to it. Yeah, that's a long commitment. I agree.
I think the perfect song length is like two minutes
and thirty seconds or three minutes. Actually, between two thirty
and three thirty is the perfect song length. Anything above
that you better fucking blow my balls off for me
to pray to be worth it. Are you a fan
of the band Nails? I do like Nails. That's that's
(12:46):
what I like. A minute and a half. Hell yeah,
just the fasketball. You know this about me. But I
grew up on grindcore, so I listened to Daughter's Locusts
Heavy Heavy Lo Lo, me and him call it us
all these bands like every song was like sixty seconds
or less.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I was like awesome, Like all albums like twenty songs
and you're like, oh that was like ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, twenty songs like ten minutes, Yeah, perfect. I love it.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I have like add BRAIND so our labels the way
to go anymore or no? I believe labels do serve
a purpose. I think their purpose is to help.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Elevate bands that are up and coming, like newer bands
that need the resources. I think that once you're established
and you have a big fan base, there's actually no
point in a label unless they're really providing something to
the table, whether that's like a huge like marketing budget
(13:41):
to push you or some kind of like insider resources
Spotify or some shit, you know what I mean. There's
really no point for a bigger band to ever be
on a label. And that's why we've been unsigned for
what like six or seven years now. We put out
an album, it goes to our distro kid personally, and
(14:03):
we make phenomenal money because we don't have.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
A fucking label. I can't believe you used distro Kid.
I thought only like local bands use that. I mean,
well Bro totally use his distro kid.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Sweet.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
We put the money right and we're doing something right,
all right, cool yeah, distro Kid's good.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
All right, awesome, Well I want to know we've got
an album coming out eventually. How did so? You guys
are self produced?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
You do everything your own and you know there's no
pressure from anybody.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You kind of do what you want. How do you
approach writing a song? We usually come up with a concept,
like some kind of like overall concept before we write it.
We'll just be like, Okay, we want we want this
one to be an ass beater, we want this one
to have like southern twang. We want this one. Or
we'll put a movie on and we'll watch a movie
together and be like, however we feel after we watch
(14:55):
this movie, let's write a song. Like let's sit down
and watch Whoopoo Wall Street and then write a song
about how we feel. You know, we'll do shit like that.
That's pretty interesting with the movie. I mean, there's a
lot of bands that do movie and sometimes we choose colors.
Oh yeah, yeah, we'll be like we're gonna write a
new song. Right now from scratch? What color do we want?
(15:18):
Do we want red? Or green? Or orange or blue? Like?
What color are we feeling? And it's a very strange,
like it almost seems like autistic. I guess it's like
we're gonna choose a color and write a song based
off of color. But what we do is in the
studio we have lights that change to the color. Yeah,
so we're like, what kind of song do we want
to do? And we're like, I'm feeling hot right now,
(15:41):
Like we're gonna do red, and then we turn the
whole studio red and then we write a song based
on red, like how red makes us feel? That's cool.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, we're weird. I mean it's weird. I mean it
makes sense, So it's cool. It makes sense. So what's
your perfect ideal pizza? Crust, sauce?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So my ideal pizza would be I've always told this
to everyone, this is the best pizza, hands down. It's
gonna be sausage, bacon, olives, pepperoni. Good, there we go.
What's the crust? What's the sauce? Garlic crust? MARINERA. Honestly,
(16:22):
I haven't even really eaten pizza much since we went
to Connecticut because we went to this place called Sally's,
which is actually like voted number one pizza in the world.
So we're like, all right, let's try it out. Sally's
in New Haven, Connecticut. Tried it out, and I was like,
the best pizza in the world. So I haven't even
really eaten pizza much since then, because, like you know,
(16:44):
when you have something so good, you just don't want
it anymore because you know it's not gonna be as good.
Oh yeah, that's Sally's. So shout out to Sally's. Put
my face on the wall, or give me a free
pizza next time.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Maybe maybe we got the was a day four no oi,
oh day four oil.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
He's a fucking menace. But his pizza reviews he puts
Sally's like way high up, Like Sally's is in out
of like thousands, Sally's, I think is in his top ten.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Oh okay, so it's it is good if I ever
go through Connecticut Sally's. Yep, got it all right? Twenty
twenty five or halfway through it? Well, what can fans
expect from you guys? It'd be more shows. We talked
about a couple single.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Well, we're spending our summer in Europe. That should be cool,
except they don't have air conditioning, which is weird for
ice cubes and I love ice cubes. They don't have it. Whatever.
Other than that, just new music. Like I said, we
have a whole new album out, and we have a
new booking agent who's amazing. So we're gonna just do
bigger and better tours and release new music. I don't
(17:54):
know how much we're gonna do in twenty twenty five,
but I know that twenty twenty six is going to
be a big year for it to do. Got that
already starting the works, kind of getting some stuff and
we're already dipping our toes in the water. Good. Any
final words that you want to say to fans, I
would just say to fans, if you like Attilla, you're
probably one of the coolest people on the planet because
(18:16):
a lot of people are fucking stupid right now. So
if you like Attilla, you're cool, and be on the
lookout for new music. We will drop a new single
and we'll have some new tours coming up soon. So
excited to see you.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Oh yeah, On's appreciate a little bit of your time today.
Thank you, so much to you here in a little
second off era. Thank you, sir, my man. It's for
all its matilla.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Check them out.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Got new music in the works, probably some tour stuff,
probably some stuff in twenty twenty six you heard from
Men himself.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Go to Sally's Pizza. Thanks for checking us out. We'll
see you next to piece
Yo, what up? This is Franz from Matila. We got
a new album coming out soon. Stay tuned. You're listening
to the Kevin Powell podcast. Let's go, baby, I'm about
to go steal a forklift and just drive it into
things for just to prove a point, right that I
can do it, that I can do it.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And I also they might be like, all right, you're
helping the rest of the day.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'll be like, I'm playing the concert, and that's how
I'm gonna pay my bill. So let me wreck shit
with the fucking forklift. I don't know, and that's how
we're starting the ope.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So Hey, it's Kevin pel Day three Incarceration with Kevin
pell Podcast and I'm sitting right across from Chris from Matilla.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Chris, how we feel today? I'm feeling great. I woke
up like an hour ago and I had a vodka
breakfast and now I'm just simply existing. Very excited to
play Incarcerations, one of my favorite festivals. I feel like, actually,
I'm fucking up bad. I'm breaking the fourth wall. I
(01:01):
keep looking Hey, what's up? Hello, Hello, Hi. It's like
I'm talking to you, but I'm just being a total
fucking dipshit. I mean, I'll break the fourth wall. I'm
just gonna look at you. I'm doing good, very very exerted,
very excited for incarceration. One of my favorite festivals, besides
(01:23):
Welcome to Rockville down in Daytona, which you guys just played. Yeah,
NASCAR fest my favorite. NASCAR is a big part of
my life. Yes, did you get the race around the track?
I actually brought my Porsche there the first time we played,
and I did race it around the track in about
fifteen cops put their lights on. I didn't know they
had incarceration cops, and they told me like, shoot it,
(01:46):
shut it the fuck do And I'm like, I'm fucking
playing the show. And they're like, you're not allowed to
go on the track. And I'm like, but I have
a fucking race car, so why can't I go on
the track. My car is a race car. Shut up.
And I was like, all right, do it again. So yeah,
I have personally raced on Daytona Motors Speedway too twice,
(02:07):
two times. Okay, so keep doing it. I'm a part
time driver, yeah, yeah, I'm a NASCAR driver.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
And when's a lot of time you were here at
Ache incarceration was two years ago, so we took one
year off, but two years ago we are here.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
How do you feel about the new layout so far?
I don't know anything about it, Okay, I haven't seen
anything at all.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I mean day three it's a little I mean it
kind of flooded yesterday and you'll hear all the construction.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
It looks a little wet. Yeah, but I like it
when things are wet, So I mean, of course I
think it'll be good. What's what's with the new layout? Like,
what's going on? So they switch it up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
And Dan Jansen talked to him yesterday and they were like,
you know what we want to I mean they've been
taking feedback from fans over the years and they wanted
to kind of switch up where the stages are and
the media in tents different.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
From where it was last year. And when you look
out of.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
The stage and you see where the VIP is, you're
gonna go okay because where people sit the VIP they
have perfect It's like, so they made it way better. Yeah,
I mean it's always to complain, but it's still pretty good.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's awesome. Yeah, I love that. If it rains today,
I just have this tradition where if we play and
it rains while we play, I have to I have
to go into the grass and roll in the mud
like like a pig, like a hog, and you know,
sometimes the mud gets in my mouth and I have
to eat it. If it gets in my mouth, I
(03:28):
have to swallow mud. That's okay. So it's just a
pre show thing. That's what I do.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Speaking of pre show things, what do you do to
like warm up get ready for a festival like this?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I usually just drink a lot of vodka and like
jack off a little bit, all right, you know, like edging.
I mean what edging is. Of course, that's what I do. Okay,
So I get I get real excited, and then I
drink vodka. I mean that's a good way to hit
the stage. Yeah, because I come out there like very aggressive,
like I'm ready to go, and you know I'm gonna
unleash wrath. I'm very angry you have.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I mean, I've listened to a few new singles as
they've come out, and you take order with Dicky l
And yeah, I was that's my boy, Dickie's awesome.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
That was awesome. That song is cool as shit. We
haven't played that song live yet actually, but Dicky Allen's awesome.
He's one of my closest friends. I think a lot
of the new songs we put out are really fucking cool.
I like America's Rejects. We're playing that one today. And yeah,
we also have a full album that we're about to release.
We don't have an exact date yet, but I would
(04:31):
say it's not what people are gonna expect, Like it's
not like it's not like we're trying to make a
fucking what octane album, like serious octane. Everyone just sounds
the same. Like, I like, our whole concept going into
this album is that we just hate everything, like all
the like honestly, like I'm not I'm not even gonna
(04:52):
be like a fucking I'm not even gonna lie to anyone,
Like I hate almost all the bands, like on this
festival and on everything I think sounds the same. It's
like octane core. Like now, it's like it's like the
same shit, the same chorus, the same you get predicted. Yeah,
it's predictable. It's fucking boring. So we wrote an album
(05:12):
that's kind of like it's like you you don't know
what's gonna happen? Like it goes from like song one
is an ass beater, like you want to just punch
holes in drywall. Song two is a country song, and
then it's like it goes to something else and then
we end with like a Southern Baptist like black church
(05:34):
choir gospel song mixed with like tech death metal. So
it's like we just like we want to get you
to do what you want. We want exactly because we're
unsigned and we produce our own music, so we write
music to basically like mind fuck you. We want you
to listen to our ship and be like, what the
(05:55):
hell is happening. So that's kind of the direction we're
going because we we are inspira for our new music
was the lack of inspiration with everyone else where. We
hear a song on Octane and we're like, this is
the stupidest shit we've ever heard in our life, Like
this song sucks, and then we're like, that's our inspiration
to not be like that. I just figured out before
(06:16):
we started rolling.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You're like, you remind me of someone I think we
interacted on Twitter years and years and years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
So in Dying Arms, you did a feature with them
for I did. I did.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
That was a good one, and they did a tour
back in West Virginia and I hopped on stage.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
With in Dying Arms, Did you do my part? I did?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And you reacted to it? And I think that might
be where you remember that that's like sick yas ago,
that's sick. That's all the video. I'll show you later.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
That in Dying Arms song that I did a feature
on is so sick. Think that song.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Slaps Ryan's my boy. He's such a great guy, certified banger.
So twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six with this album,
but like it could be either because we don't have
a fall tour planned yet, but so it could be
like fall.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Or winter twenty twenty five or most likely twenty twenty six,
I think for the new album.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, okay, how many new singles in twenty twenty five?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Maybe I think we're gonna drop at least like two
more before the end of the year, because we got it.
We realized it's been like almost eight months. I think
it's been actually, yeah, eight months since we dropped America's
Rejects and that was our last single, and it's like, damn,
that's actually like kind of too long, Like we got
to drop something right.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
A lot of bands, somehow, some way either predict that
they were gonna play a festival like Incarceration, and they
already like had the distributors put the song ready to
go for like July whatever day. It was on Friday,
and I was like, what a perfect time to drop
an album, drop a song. It's a lot of prevail
to drop their new album on Friday here the day
(07:55):
before they played the festival. It was like pretty smart genius.
But they're like I interviewed him yesterday. They're like, yeah,
we didn't plan that. It was just this is the
day we want to do it.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Well, maybe they didn't plan it. Maybe they're lay body,
you know.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
What I mean?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah you would know that's yeah, yeah yeah. Like the
band's like whenever you're signed and this and that, you
don't really decide anything. And I think that's the cool
part about Tila is that we decide everything. Like we
are unsigned, we do whatever the fuck we want. If
we we can click a button and drop the album
tomorrow if we want it, We're not going to do it, okay,
(08:29):
but we could. We could drop a song tomorrow. We
could just like we can do anything we want. But
these are things that a label would have a heart
attack about.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So absolutely, So you have an interesting dynamic that I
think you can answer better than anybody here at the
entire festival. What's the best approach to releasing something rather
be an EP and album on a single? Like, there's
a lot of differences between twenty years ago, ten years ago,
five years ago and now.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Major difference. So when I started at Tilla twenty years ago,
doing a full album was very standard, Like there was
no such thing as singles. It was just you dropped
an album, there you go. And the biggest difference is
twenty years ago everyone didn't have brain rot from fucking
TikTok social media. So twenty years ago, if you released
(09:18):
an album, people would sit down like roll a blunt
with their friends, smoke the bunt, listen to the whole
album front to back, no skips like the good old days.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
They could also why the physical album and actually do
something with it.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, exactly, they bought the physical CD at the time,
they would flip it open, put it in like because
me and my friends did this twenty years ago. We'd
smoke a fat fucking blunt. We would save up our
money for the good stuff, put the CD in, and
then we would pass around the CD booklet that had
the lyrics because you didn't have a phone to look
up lyrics, so you just looked at the booklet and
(09:54):
you're like, ah, cool. And then there's like we used
to do like little hidden like shit in the CD booklet,
hidden photos, like hidden.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It was cool, almost like when video games used to
play like things in with the case yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And then we would do like a hidden track where
it's like, you know you after song ten, it plays
silence for like six minutes and then you get something
else like that. Shit. I really I really miss that.
That was like the best era to be alive. Now.
Basically we're dealing with a bunch of like people who
have mushy brains, like mushy brains, brain rot. They don't
(10:28):
really have an attention span beyond fifteen seconds maximum. So
I think, if you're a band coming up now in
twenty twenty five, first of all, good fucking luck. Second
of all, be prepared. People don't have an attention span,
So if you don't capture their attention within fifteen seconds
or less, like you're not gonna succeed. So it's probably
(10:48):
harder to be a band now than it was when
we started twenty one years ago. So singles are the
way now. Singles are the Singles are the way now,
just because I don't want to do singles, like because
I want to do like an I want to do
an album that's like thematic, that has like like the
songs flow into each other and there has like a theme.
(11:08):
But that's just simply people just start smart enough for that.
Everyone's brains are mushy and stupid. So we got a
hugging tractor. Awesome. Yeah, crank up the generator, dude.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh yeah, well, good thing. These are noise isolating, so
we're good. Oh cool, So it sounds good.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So I look like the man yelling at the wall
or something like there's like nothing happening. I look like
I'm schizophrenic. That's awesome. I love it. Yeah. So yeah, No,
singles are the move just because you get the same
attention from a single that you do from a full album.
And it's stupid. I hate it. I fucking hate it, dude,
(11:48):
like it. Albums should pull way more weight, but people
if you drop an album go like, put it on
for like a few seconds and turn it off. It's like,
if you guys are all saying get the exactly, then
it's you're cooked. So singles make a lot more sense.
I put it out and people are like, all right,
one song, not a big commitment, Like, sorry, I don't
(12:11):
have three minutes of my day, but I got to
listen to this whole song before I get my fucking
uber eats order, Like you know, I.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Mean, I'll be honest if I see a song as
over five six minutes long, Oh hell no, I'm always
like nope.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Now in the classics, I'm like, I don't really want
to listen to it. Yeah, that's a long commitment. I agree.
I think the perfect song length is like two minutes
and thirty seconds or three minutes. Actually, between two thirty
and three thirty is the perfect song length. Anything above
that you better fucking blow my balls off for me
to pray to be worth it. Are you a fan
of the band Nails? I do like Nails. That's that's
(12:46):
what I like. A minute and a half. Hell yeah,
just the fasketball. You know this about me. But I
grew up on grindcore, so I listened to Daughter's Locusts
Heavy Heavy Lo Lo, me and him call it us
all these bands like every song was like sixty seconds
or less.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I was like awesome, Like all albums like twenty songs
and you're like, oh that was like ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, twenty songs like ten minutes, Yeah, perfect. I love it.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I have like add BRAIND so our labels the way
to go anymore or no? I believe labels do serve
a purpose. I think their purpose is to help.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Elevate bands that are up and coming, like newer bands
that need the resources. I think that once you're established
and you have a big fan base, there's actually no
point in a label unless they're really providing something to
the table, whether that's like a huge like marketing budget
(13:41):
to push you or some kind of like insider resources
Spotify or some shit, you know what I mean. There's
really no point for a bigger band to ever be
on a label. And that's why we've been unsigned for
what like six or seven years now. We put out
an album, it goes to our distro kid personally, and
(14:03):
we make phenomenal money because we don't have.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
A fucking label. I can't believe you used distro Kid.
I thought only like local bands use that. I mean,
well Bro totally use his distro kid.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Sweet.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
We put the money right and we're doing something right,
all right, cool yeah, distro Kid's good.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
All right, awesome, Well I want to know we've got
an album coming out eventually. How did so? You guys
are self produced?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
You do everything your own and you know there's no
pressure from anybody.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You kind of do what you want. How do you
approach writing a song? We usually come up with a concept,
like some kind of like overall concept before we write it.
We'll just be like, Okay, we want we want this
one to be an ass beater, we want this one
to have like southern twang. We want this one. Or
we'll put a movie on and we'll watch a movie
together and be like, however we feel after we watch
(14:55):
this movie, let's write a song. Like let's sit down
and watch Whoopoo Wall Street and then write a song
about how we feel. You know, we'll do shit like that.
That's pretty interesting with the movie. I mean, there's a
lot of bands that do movie and sometimes we choose colors.
Oh yeah, yeah, we'll be like we're gonna write a
new song. Right now from scratch? What color do we want?
(15:18):
Do we want red? Or green? Or orange or blue? Like?
What color are we feeling? And it's a very strange,
like it almost seems like autistic. I guess it's like
we're gonna choose a color and write a song based
off of color. But what we do is in the
studio we have lights that change to the color. Yeah,
so we're like, what kind of song do we want
to do? And we're like, I'm feeling hot right now,
(15:41):
Like we're gonna do red, and then we turn the
whole studio red and then we write a song based
on red, like how red makes us feel? That's cool.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, we're weird. I mean it's weird. I mean it
makes sense, So it's cool. It makes sense. So what's
your perfect ideal pizza? Crust, sauce?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So my ideal pizza would be I've always told this
to everyone, this is the best pizza, hands down. It's
gonna be sausage, bacon, olives, pepperoni. Good, there we go.
What's the crust? What's the sauce? Garlic crust? MARINERA. Honestly,
(16:22):
I haven't even really eaten pizza much since we went
to Connecticut because we went to this place called Sally's,
which is actually like voted number one pizza in the world.
So we're like, all right, let's try it out. Sally's
in New Haven, Connecticut. Tried it out, and I was like,
the best pizza in the world. So I haven't even
really eaten pizza much since then, because, like you know,
(16:44):
when you have something so good, you just don't want
it anymore because you know it's not gonna be as good.
Oh yeah, that's Sally's. So shout out to Sally's. Put
my face on the wall, or give me a free
pizza next time.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Maybe maybe we got the was a day four no oi,
oh day four oil.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
He's a fucking menace. But his pizza reviews he puts
Sally's like way high up, Like Sally's is in out
of like thousands, Sally's, I think is in his top ten.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Oh okay, so it's it is good if I ever
go through Connecticut Sally's. Yep, got it all right? Twenty
twenty five or halfway through it? Well, what can fans
expect from you guys? It'd be more shows. We talked
about a couple single.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Well, we're spending our summer in Europe. That should be cool,
except they don't have air conditioning, which is weird for
ice cubes and I love ice cubes. They don't have it. Whatever.
Other than that, just new music. Like I said, we
have a whole new album out, and we have a
new booking agent who's amazing. So we're gonna just do
bigger and better tours and release new music. I don't
(17:54):
know how much we're gonna do in twenty twenty five,
but I know that twenty twenty six is going to
be a big year for it to do. Got that
already starting the works, kind of getting some stuff and
we're already dipping our toes in the water. Good. Any
final words that you want to say to fans, I
would just say to fans, if you like Attilla, you're
probably one of the coolest people on the planet because
(18:16):
a lot of people are fucking stupid right now. So
if you like Attilla, you're cool, and be on the
lookout for new music. We will drop a new single
and we'll have some new tours coming up soon. So
excited to see you.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Oh yeah, On's appreciate a little bit of your time today.
Thank you, so much to you here in a little
second off era. Thank you, sir, my man. It's for
all its matilla.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Check them out.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Got new music in the works, probably some tour stuff,
probably some stuff in twenty twenty six you heard from
Men himself.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Go to Sally's Pizza. Thanks for checking us out. We'll
see you next to piece
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