April 28, 2025 • 26 mins
Welcome to the London Club Council! The FAN's Brett Blakemore and Robbie Rosenhaus are opposing fans in England's biggest rivalry. They talk about Robbie being on the Arsenal, being on the verge of winning a Champions League, and Spurs being in the dumps.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
We're at it again. Welcome to another meeting of the
London Club Council. Now representing Tottenham Hotspur. In this corner
we do have Brett Blakemore and repping Arsenal is Robbie Rosenhaus.
So boys, let the banter begin.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome into another edition of the London Club Council.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Robbie rose anouncier representing Arsenal, Brett Blakemore representing Tottenham.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
About a month since we've last spoken.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
With you, and there has been a ton going on
with both clubs.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We'll get to Arsenal in just a couple of minutes.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Let's start with Brett's club Tottenham and Poro Romero van
Derven They're coming back, Benton Kerk Kulasewsky, They're coming back.
Son is coming back. All these players did not feature
on the weekend against Liverpool and here they are with
their full squad against Bodo Glimped this week. It's all
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or nothing for Tottenham and again with bad feelings at
the club, how do you as a fan balance the
excitement for a europe The League semifinal with the constant
thrashings that they take weeknd week down in the league.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
And good morning, No, I look it shout out Pa there,
you know, right now, I'm not excited at all. And
and you know what, if they come out and win
two nil or three nil and look dominant on Thursday,
I'll probably have a different tune. But it's hard to
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at this moment right now to separate the two until
it happens in Europa and they are rotating and you're right,
they're not, you know, the I would say the A
or the B plus team played against Liverpool. They look
like the F team, as they do frequently in the
Premier League these days. I just it's hard to separate
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it right now, and I'm almost like at a point
of apathy, you know. It's it's to the point where
them losing five to one to Liverpool didn't even like
I turned it off when it was two one because
I knew where it was going, Like there was no
need to watch it whatsoever. So it's tough, and this
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is easily the you know, the hardest season. Obviously, there
hasn't been many with me as like a diehard diehard,
but like, man, I can imagine, even like the people
have been following for like fifty years, this has got
to be up there for like the toughest ones there are.
So there's a definite sense of like apathy is the
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word I keep coming back to, where it's just like
it's like teflon almost, like you know, you've been hurt
so much over the year that it's just it doesn't
even like affect anymore. It's you're like numb to it.
So yeah, I mean, if they win on Thursday, it
may turn the whole thing around, And maybe they won't.
They'll have to go to they'll have to go on
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the road and not have to worry about it because
the result was so good at home that would be ideal,
and then you're in a European final that would be great.
But yeah, until it gets to that point, it is
a I have to see it to believe it type
morale with me, because if I don't see the full thing,
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not glimpses, we're past glimpses, Like glimpses are dead to me.
If I don't see the full thing right now, the
morale will continue to be down.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Well, there have been mitigating factors, as we know, an
unprecedented injury crisis in the middle of the winter when
all the fixtures were piling up and he was playing
eighteen and nineteen year olds and at that point everybody
had sympathy for him.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
But as players got healthy, obviously the results didn't change.
And now you see the fan base starting to turn
on Ange. I understand that you are still gin, but
does the league form trump whatever comes in Europa League
at the end of the season, or are you still
going to feel the way you feel now regardless of
what happens this week and beyond in the month of
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May in Europe.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I'm not even sure that I am engine anymore. And
that's not to say like a manage out like sack
him today. That's not what I'm saying. I just want
this feeling to be over as quickly as humanly possible,
and I'm open to exploring whether or not that includes
and or not I still like and as a person,
(04:40):
I think he's got a raw deal. I think, you know,
all the mitigating factors do play a huge factor. He
just came out and the press today and said, you know,
we finished fifth last year, and this year, if you
finished fifth, people are going to praise you for it.
We got ripped for finishing fifth last year under my reign,
which he's right percent fact, because the English teams have
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done so well in Europe years included, so he's got
a solid point there. But at the same time, we're
what two places away from relegation. I mean, we're safe
from it, but all the teams are going down or
locked into going down. But the fact that we're down
there at all, I mean, is there a big difference
between tenth and sixteenth or wherever we are at the
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end of the day. No, you're still gonna be in
the Premier League the next year. But just from a
status point of view, it stinks. I don't know. It's
not again, I don't I'm not actively saying an sjoutsack him.
I just want to love my club again, and I
just I want to go in the path of least
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resistance to that feeling. And I don't know whether or
not it'll ever happen with AND's just because of the
damage that's been happened that's happened this year, whether that
was in his control or not. But that's kind of
where I'm at is. Whatever the quickest path is to
me belting out some Spurs song and a voice memo
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in the group chat, that's how I want to feel
as quickly as possible. And I'm not sure that it's
gonna happen with Angrew the Helm. I hope it does.
I hope it's I hope that they win Europa. He
comes back and they make a run Champions League and
you know, finish top four. That'd be our top five.
That'd be great. But uh, you know, I just I'm
not sure if it's in the cards. And the defending
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too like and we score a lot of goals under edge,
but the defending is just hideous. And it's not even
like they're caught up too high and they get caught behind.
That's that's the narrative, right, too high of a line,
they get caught from hind like Mickey's cleaning all that up.
The defending that I'm talking about is just crossing the box.
No one's there's a guy unmarked for a free header
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that that buries it. You know, it happens all the time.
It happens several times a game where people they get
beat on routine defensive plays. So I don't know if
that is and I don't know if that's you know,
Ryan Mason, I don't know if it's someone else. That's
an assistant coach. I don't know what's the problem there,
but it's been a problem the whole time, and I
just don't know if you're gonna be able to come
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back from that. So yeah, I'm not that's a long
winded way of saying. I'm still like Ange, I'm not
sure if it's gonna work out though.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And to that point, I mean just going back a
couple of years here, I mean we've had a couple
of sliding doors moments with Liverpool and Arsal and you
look at the two clubs yesterday and Liverpool go on
and yes, when you turned it off at two to one,
it was a carnation. You know, most Sola's goal in
the second half was would have been celebrated a lot
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more had it not been you know, the fourth one.
But nevertheless, Liverpool a few years ago were right in
the mix for the final couple of places in European
spots with Tottenham.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So was Arsenal.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Now Arsenal have finished second in a row three years
in a row. Now that's a hat trick of being
the first loser. So I'm not taking any pride in that.
And we'll get to Arsenal in a couple of minutes,
but just one more kind of overriding thing. And as
we head towards this ever so important European semi final,
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when we look back on this season, regardless of and
you just said, it really doesn't affect whether or not
he wins Europa League. Kind of, I'm kind of in
the middle now whether or not I want him in
or out where for me and man Gin forever?
Speaker 4 (08:39):
For me? If he wins Europa he should get another season.
But I don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So that's kind I don't think it's gonna happen either.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
If if we're both giving predictions here and again Bred
has been giving his thoughts here on the state of
Tottenham before we move to Arsenal, But just is it
if we were doing a kind of part of blame,
who would get more than fifty percent? Would it be
the players? Would it be Ange or would it be
Daniel Levy with the recruitment strategy in not only last
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summer but obviously in the winter time when they did
not go out and get anybody but tell who's been
a nice player but again has not made any significant impact.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
I think Levy has so much more to do with
it than like, yeah, the defending has been bad. There's
been times where and has been bad. But Levy and
the wages, and I just read an article from Matt
law in was it the Telegraph, I think is who
he writes for The Guardian The Guardian where basically Spurs
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may have to sell to buy this summer even though
they could spend two hundred million pounds and still be
under the PSR. So yet they still think they have
to sell to buy. Preposterous. Now, if that's all posturing.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Because Romero's going, well, Romero's going, we know that. Yeah,
he's got twenty seven years old. He's out of there.
I mean, he's put in five six years to the club.
He's an international play he's a World Cup winner.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
He's out of there.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And the stuff that he said to the media in
South America, you know what the sooner he's he's a good,
very good player, but he's he's out of there, and
you could and he's he's he's and he's gonna sell
them a lot of money too.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So that's the Yeah, just to what you said, there,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
But it's just like other clubs would not do that.
You know, and if you want to spin zone it
and say, well, the worst thing you could do is
say how rich spurds are, because then people would upcharge
us for all the transfers we want to do. Like
that's fine, and if it is, I'll even throw out
the asterisks. If it's all forty chess and he's just
posturing so he doesn't have to pay as much in
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transfer fees, good on you. Covenant collapse around that being said,
if it is at face value, they need to sell
to buy, even though he could spend two hundred million
pounds and still be under the Province of State in
ability rules. That's that is unacceptable to me. You don't
care about the team, you don't care about the success.
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And it's not just the transfer spending. I've been banging
on the drum because he'll if you ask him, he'll say, well,
we're in the top and you know so and so
for you know, transfer fees, and we're right up there.
If you look at the wages, they're nowhere near. They're
nowhere near. There's a reason why they went and got
Bergvall and Archie Gray who are eighteen. They don't have
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to pay as high wages than going to get say
Jack Grealish or somebody like that. There's a reason for
that because they don't want to pay the wages. The
wages are you know, bottom half, if not bottom third
of the prem So a lot of it is on
Levy and unfortunately they can sack and they can get
rid of players, you know, not to go conte on
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the bit, but they can change the manager, they can
change the players, but it's going to stay the same
until Levy is either out of power or has an
investor like some Saudi guy in and starts feeding the
money so we can spend money on players because and wages.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
As we kind of wrap up here on Tottenham and
transitioning to my club, Arsenal, I mean you looked at
the dichotomy of what was going on over the weekend
between Liverpool playing You never walk alone.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
In the most iconic song in football to a boxer
walking out at Tottenham.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
High to North London Forever, the Arsenal anthem, and I'm
going to spare you my version of it because you're
going through enough right now with your football club and
your fans or the people who are occupying that stadium
for those fights over the weekend heard that anthem belt
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it out.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I'm not sure whose decision it was, but it's tone
deaf and it's dumb, and.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
It shows that you're probably really is is just obtuse
to what's going on. And I hope for your sake, Brett,
that they really get it right, because this year, no fan,
as much as I don't like Tottenham and I don't
like their fans and I root against them.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You didn't deserve this. For how much time and energy
you have spent over the last couple of years defending
this man.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And defending this club, and for them to put in
these performances. I totally understand your apathy, and you're just
kind of just you just want to wash your hands
with this season and kind of put the dice in
a in a in a barrel, roll them out and
see what comes up next season, because lord knows, it's
got to be better than what has happened this season.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Moving over to my clubs, well, hang on, hang on it, yeah, yeah,
hang out, go ahead. I don't blame the club at
all for the boxing thing. I just want to I
just want to point that out, okay, because.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
No, not the club, I know it's not the club,
but who but whoever's running the operations for.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
It was probably whoever the boxing. They probably just gave
it up to the boxing promote is just like, go ahead,
do your thing, you know what I mean, Like they
probably didn't even care, so or like not that they
didn't care, but like they probably just gave it up,
like they all, right, boxing guy, here's the board, here's
how to play the music. There you all right, We're done,
We're out of here. So and the most ironic thing
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about it, too, is that the boxer I don't even
know who it is, don't care. He's a bum. I
don't even care if you want or not. Bum. He's
playing North London forever in our stadium, but he's having
the fight in our stadium, which is generating money for
the club. So joke's on him. We're gonna take all
that money. So yeah, you can play your little tune, uh,
(14:37):
but we're pocketing all the money forward anyway, So appreciate
your investment in the Tottenham Hotspur Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
The Revenge of the Nerds exactly. Yeah, okay, well no, no, no,
I mean that, I mean that, I mean that works.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
And you know what if the song's not gonna work
for him, and the song's not gonna work in the stadium,
then maybe they'll play it in a couple of days time,
or actually they'll play it next week as Arsenal uh
take on PSG. They're heading to Paris and it should
be really a fascinating tie. We haven't spoken on the
podcast through a bunch.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Of different different things.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Real Madrid, the two legged tie, Arsenal come through, and
not to gloss over it, it was it was more impressive,
I think the second leg than the first because the
first leg you saw the free kicks and Marino with
a really nice third goal.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
But the second leg, you know the rim ontata.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
As everybody as everybody was saying, is the big comeback,
as everybody was anticipatating because this was Arsenal's history. Well
it was never to be and they never got a
sniff of it, so that was kind of put to rest,
which is what was most impressive for me. And now
they'll take on a ps PSG side that for me,
after they beat Liverpool, were the favorite to win the
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competition and I still think they're the favorite. I still
think that they're going to eat Arsenal over two legs,
So I'm not going to go out on a women
predicted Arsenal are going to win. But from what you've
seen from Arsenal, and forget the league for him, Yes,
they've drawn against Palace and teams like that and Brentford
and but they're going to finish second or at worst,
(16:16):
I would think finish third because there's only so many
games to go in Europe. Going up against this PSG side,
seeing what you saw on the second leg against Real Madrid,
the fourteen time champions, do you think that they have
what it takes to get through two legs.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I didn't think they had what it takes to beat
Real Madrid, neither did Molina when she was on the pod.
So and they did that, so who's to say. I
don't think anything's out of the question for them. As
much as it makes me physically hurt and physically sick
to my stomach, I don't think it's out of the
question that they beat PSG. So to me, Real Madrid
is the team to beat with Imbappe and Vinnie and
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they took care of them just fine. So with several
free kicks from Declan Rice at the Emirates, so I
don't know. I think it's possible. I wouldn't rule them
out at all. I don't I if I were you,
I would be just as optimistic as i'd be. I
don't know about more optimistic, but I would be equally
as optimistic as I was going into Real Madrid and
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after too. I think I think it's totally not that
it's your Champions League to lose. God, it just sucks
to say not that it's your Champions League to lose,
but you certainly can win it, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
On the other side, yet, Barcelona, who's playing really really
well right now and yeah obviously has uh you know,
lamal And and Lewandowski and just just an assortment of
tremendous players, and they're going to take on a Milan
side that's that's gotten through some really good sides too,
including Bayern Munich and Harry Kane, so that I expect
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Barcelona to go through. But in the in the in
the Arsenal draw, I just don't think even with Marino
healthy and they announced that Ben White is healthy, Califiori
is going to be out, but everybody else other than
the long term injuries like we know of Gabrielle, who's
gonna be out at center back.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Kirior is going to play and he's been brilliant.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Havertz obviously has been out for a few months, and
they're gonna start, and they're gonna start Marino up front,
so we're gonna see if this makeshift sort of front
can work again. I'm not sure if he's gonna play
Martinelli or or Tressard on the left, but the key
for me is Soaka and Odagard on the right. You
see what kind of partnership that they have when you
have two guys on the pitch that can link up
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like that so well. I mean you saw it with
Son and Kane.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I mean they.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Knew exactly where where each other was going to be.
Kin would be so good at that hold up play
and Son would run down the wing and Kane would
exactly know the way to the pass and spring Son.
And that's kind of what.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I what I like more towards.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
The box when it comes when it comes to Sokka
and Oda guard. So I hope to see more of that,
keep more possession because as we saw in the last
two ties against European opposition, PSG generated a ton of
chances against Liverpool and Villa, and who's to say they
won't generate a ton against you know, makeshift defense with
without their.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
One of their bet defenders in Gabriel.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
So it should be U.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It should be fascinating.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I think that they'll they'll win it, they'll win it home,
but somehow they'll they'll they'll lose by a couple of
goals on the road, So I'm not.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Going to predict that that they're going to get through here.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Even though you say that the possibilities are endless.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
I think that I think the possibilities are endless to
Pack the Prince. There's there's two things I love saying,
Pack de Prince and I love saying PSG. I love
saying that as well, which is a total inside joke
that I don't think anyone else is going to get.
But maybe I'll link I'll link it in the podcast description.
What I'm talking about when I say that number one
PSG is brilliant. So anyways, yeah, it's gonna be I
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mean you talk about I mean, these are four big
clubs in the final four, Arsenal, PSG, Barcelona, ter you
know those are clubs you want in the final four
of the Champions League. So it'll be a fun finish
for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
And not only that, but I think we could both
agree that if they go through the likes of Real Madrid,
PSGG and PSG number three Barcelona, if they go through
those three clubs.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
You've earned it.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Spanish teams and the team that was the that's the
favorites right now, in with in the bookies' minds.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
In PSG slight favorites.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Though yes, I would say that they've absolutely earned it,
no doubt about it. But again, we could be talking
in a month's time about Arsenal, Tottenham and dare I
say the most likely of all the London teams to
win a European trophy Chelsea as the hat trick of
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European trophies making their way to London. It would be
It would be quite a fascinating site, winn't it, Brett.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
I don't know how. I don't know how they would
sing the song, you know, because we as the whole
city of London could just sing Champions of Europe. You'll
never sing that, you know. I don't know how that
would work. We just rise in Unison all one day
in London and yeah, you know what you know, what
would you.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Would you take an Arsenal Champions League parade and trophy
if it meant.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
You winning the Europa League?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And I know that this is an old sports radio
hypothetical questions.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
What's your mount rushmore of.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, exactly no, but it actually was a good hypothetically.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
What's your kitchen items?
Speaker 7 (21:42):
Even because it's legit, because it's it's close to happening.
I mean, both teams are in semi finals, So would
you sign for both teams winning right now?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
If you could?
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Would you accept the summer of me gloating that they
won the chance just you could get back in the
league next year and beat and I don't potentially beat
Arsenal in.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
A knockout stage. Every worth it.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Every bit of me in my brain. Can I can
hear my friend John Aikeden, I can hear Parker Fox,
I can hear Molina shouting no, no, no, we don't
want Arsenal winning the Champions League, No no, no. I
can hear your friend Matt saying absolutely not. It's a
little part of me that would be okay with that
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because we need a trophy and we need a pad
and to win a European Trophy I think would be
a big deal and would get a big monkey off
of our back as a club. So it would suck.
I would hate it, and we'd have our own parade,
you know, right down the road. But man, I there
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there is a part of me that I think to
win European Now, I'll say this, if it was like
a League Cup, maybe i'd feel differ, right, But to
get into the Champions League and to win a European trophy, I'm.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, you're getting not only getting a trophy, you're getting
the summer to celebrate.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You don't care who the manager is, and you're.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Gonna be playing in the Champions League next year.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah I think I might.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I think I might. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
So that folks, if you if you heard the last
two minutes of this podcast, it means Brett didn't edit
this out.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
No, I left it in.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I left it in. Yeah. Uh, just real quick on
the top four race and then we can we can
call it.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
There, yeah, because because obviously it's I mean, it's actually
a top five race now, want to call it that?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Yep, So poor Forrest. I did say they would drop
out eventually, but I didn't think it'd be this late
in the season. But they're in the the Europa League
spot in sixth right now. But they're tied with Chelsea.
But Chelsea are literally in the fifth spot by gold differential.
So but Chelsea's next game against Liverpool, uhuh. But then again,
Liverpool's a dead team, they got nothing to play for,
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so they've already won the press, So how much are
they going to be in that versus Chelsea, who need
to win to secure that top five Again, Spurs finished
fifth last season, would have been in a Champions League
spot this year if you guys would have got your
crap together in the Champions League last year. But that's
neither here nor.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
There, right.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
But yeah, it's a fun little race between City Chelsea
and Nottingham Forest. And if you'd have told me that
at the start of the season, I would have laughed
you out of the building. So so yeah, it'll be
a fun finish for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
No no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Chelsea have some really tough games to finish the season,
and I think that even though I did predict them
to make the top five, they are definitely going to
have the toughest road of all of all the teams
I think we can pretty much pencil in Newcastle as
well a third or fourth spot. I think they're they're
just playing way too well right now. They don't have
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Europe uh to to to concern themselves with. They can
just keep grinding our results.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
In the league.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
And yeah, so I think that's a that's a really
good way to look look at the top four race.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
So again, we've uh, we've covered your club.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I think hopefully we've cheered you up and and the
Spurs fans that.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Listen really well, you know what you know, I'll say this.
I'll say this, Robbie. I talked about it more than
I thought I would and articulated my thoughts more than
I thought I would coming into it. So there is
a little bit of like I've got it off my
chest more than I thought that I would feel. So
so there's well, there's your solace for you.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Well, as the eighties song goes, I think it was
Elvis Costello that's saying it, things can only get better.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah, well, I can't smile without you, but I need
to smile with you. Spurs come on.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yes, So anyways, yes, So the moments have been few
and far between for Spurs but again they're they're greatest
moments potentially may still be to come, and we'll be
back with you after Arsenal take on PSG and Tottenham
take on Bodo Glimpt. This week will recap the European
action and previewed next week's second legs of the ties
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as Arsenal and Tottenham hunt European trophies for the first
time in their histories.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
For Brett Blake
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Moore and Robbie Rosenhause, this has been another edition of
the London Club Council
We're at it again. Welcome to another meeting of the
London Club Council. Now representing Tottenham Hotspur. In this corner
we do have Brett Blakemore and repping Arsenal is Robbie Rosenhaus.
So boys, let the banter begin.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome into another edition of the London Club Council.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Robbie rose anouncier representing Arsenal, Brett Blakemore representing Tottenham.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
About a month since we've last spoken.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
With you, and there has been a ton going on
with both clubs.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We'll get to Arsenal in just a couple of minutes.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Let's start with Brett's club Tottenham and Poro Romero van
Derven They're coming back, Benton Kerk Kulasewsky, They're coming back.
Son is coming back. All these players did not feature
on the weekend against Liverpool and here they are with
their full squad against Bodo Glimped this week. It's all
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or nothing for Tottenham and again with bad feelings at
the club, how do you as a fan balance the
excitement for a europe The League semifinal with the constant
thrashings that they take weeknd week down in the league.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
And good morning, No, I look it shout out Pa there,
you know, right now, I'm not excited at all. And
and you know what, if they come out and win
two nil or three nil and look dominant on Thursday,
I'll probably have a different tune. But it's hard to
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at this moment right now to separate the two until
it happens in Europa and they are rotating and you're right,
they're not, you know, the I would say the A
or the B plus team played against Liverpool. They look
like the F team, as they do frequently in the
Premier League these days. I just it's hard to separate
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it right now, and I'm almost like at a point
of apathy, you know. It's it's to the point where
them losing five to one to Liverpool didn't even like
I turned it off when it was two one because
I knew where it was going, Like there was no
need to watch it whatsoever. So it's tough, and this
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is easily the you know, the hardest season. Obviously, there
hasn't been many with me as like a diehard diehard,
but like, man, I can imagine, even like the people
have been following for like fifty years, this has got
to be up there for like the toughest ones there are.
So there's a definite sense of like apathy is the
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word I keep coming back to, where it's just like
it's like teflon almost, like you know, you've been hurt
so much over the year that it's just it doesn't
even like affect anymore. It's you're like numb to it.
So yeah, I mean, if they win on Thursday, it
may turn the whole thing around, And maybe they won't.
They'll have to go to they'll have to go on
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the road and not have to worry about it because
the result was so good at home that would be ideal,
and then you're in a European final that would be great.
But yeah, until it gets to that point, it is
a I have to see it to believe it type
morale with me, because if I don't see the full thing,
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not glimpses, we're past glimpses, Like glimpses are dead to me.
If I don't see the full thing right now, the
morale will continue to be down.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Well, there have been mitigating factors, as we know, an
unprecedented injury crisis in the middle of the winter when
all the fixtures were piling up and he was playing
eighteen and nineteen year olds and at that point everybody
had sympathy for him.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
But as players got healthy, obviously the results didn't change.
And now you see the fan base starting to turn
on Ange. I understand that you are still gin, but
does the league form trump whatever comes in Europa League
at the end of the season, or are you still
going to feel the way you feel now regardless of
what happens this week and beyond in the month of
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May in Europe.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I'm not even sure that I am engine anymore. And
that's not to say like a manage out like sack
him today. That's not what I'm saying. I just want
this feeling to be over as quickly as humanly possible,
and I'm open to exploring whether or not that includes
and or not I still like and as a person,
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I think he's got a raw deal. I think, you know,
all the mitigating factors do play a huge factor. He
just came out and the press today and said, you know,
we finished fifth last year, and this year, if you
finished fifth, people are going to praise you for it.
We got ripped for finishing fifth last year under my reign,
which he's right percent fact, because the English teams have
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done so well in Europe years included, so he's got
a solid point there. But at the same time, we're
what two places away from relegation. I mean, we're safe
from it, but all the teams are going down or
locked into going down. But the fact that we're down
there at all, I mean, is there a big difference
between tenth and sixteenth or wherever we are at the
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end of the day. No, you're still gonna be in
the Premier League the next year. But just from a
status point of view, it stinks. I don't know. It's
not again, I don't I'm not actively saying an sjoutsack him.
I just want to love my club again, and I
just I want to go in the path of least
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resistance to that feeling. And I don't know whether or
not it'll ever happen with AND's just because of the
damage that's been happened that's happened this year, whether that
was in his control or not. But that's kind of
where I'm at is. Whatever the quickest path is to
me belting out some Spurs song and a voice memo
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in the group chat, that's how I want to feel
as quickly as possible. And I'm not sure that it's
gonna happen with Angrew the Helm. I hope it does.
I hope it's I hope that they win Europa. He
comes back and they make a run Champions League and
you know, finish top four. That'd be our top five.
That'd be great. But uh, you know, I just I'm
not sure if it's in the cards. And the defending
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too like and we score a lot of goals under edge,
but the defending is just hideous. And it's not even
like they're caught up too high and they get caught behind.
That's that's the narrative, right, too high of a line,
they get caught from hind like Mickey's cleaning all that up.
The defending that I'm talking about is just crossing the box.
No one's there's a guy unmarked for a free header
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that that buries it. You know, it happens all the time.
It happens several times a game where people they get
beat on routine defensive plays. So I don't know if
that is and I don't know if that's you know,
Ryan Mason, I don't know if it's someone else. That's
an assistant coach. I don't know what's the problem there,
but it's been a problem the whole time, and I
just don't know if you're gonna be able to come
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back from that. So yeah, I'm not that's a long
winded way of saying. I'm still like Ange, I'm not
sure if it's gonna work out though.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And to that point, I mean just going back a
couple of years here, I mean we've had a couple
of sliding doors moments with Liverpool and Arsal and you
look at the two clubs yesterday and Liverpool go on
and yes, when you turned it off at two to one,
it was a carnation. You know, most Sola's goal in
the second half was would have been celebrated a lot
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more had it not been you know, the fourth one.
But nevertheless, Liverpool a few years ago were right in
the mix for the final couple of places in European
spots with Tottenham.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So was Arsenal.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Now Arsenal have finished second in a row three years
in a row. Now that's a hat trick of being
the first loser. So I'm not taking any pride in that.
And we'll get to Arsenal in a couple of minutes,
but just one more kind of overriding thing. And as
we head towards this ever so important European semi final,
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when we look back on this season, regardless of and
you just said, it really doesn't affect whether or not
he wins Europa League. Kind of, I'm kind of in
the middle now whether or not I want him in
or out where for me and man Gin forever?
Speaker 4 (08:39):
For me? If he wins Europa he should get another season.
But I don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So that's kind I don't think it's gonna happen either.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
If if we're both giving predictions here and again Bred
has been giving his thoughts here on the state of
Tottenham before we move to Arsenal, But just is it
if we were doing a kind of part of blame,
who would get more than fifty percent? Would it be
the players? Would it be Ange or would it be
Daniel Levy with the recruitment strategy in not only last
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summer but obviously in the winter time when they did
not go out and get anybody but tell who's been
a nice player but again has not made any significant impact.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
I think Levy has so much more to do with
it than like, yeah, the defending has been bad. There's
been times where and has been bad. But Levy and
the wages, and I just read an article from Matt
law in was it the Telegraph, I think is who
he writes for The Guardian The Guardian where basically Spurs
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may have to sell to buy this summer even though
they could spend two hundred million pounds and still be
under the PSR. So yet they still think they have
to sell to buy. Preposterous. Now, if that's all posturing.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Because Romero's going, well, Romero's going, we know that. Yeah,
he's got twenty seven years old. He's out of there.
I mean, he's put in five six years to the club.
He's an international play he's a World Cup winner.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
He's out of there.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And the stuff that he said to the media in
South America, you know what the sooner he's he's a good,
very good player, but he's he's out of there, and
you could and he's he's he's and he's gonna sell
them a lot of money too.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So that's the Yeah, just to what you said, there,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
But it's just like other clubs would not do that.
You know, and if you want to spin zone it
and say, well, the worst thing you could do is
say how rich spurds are, because then people would upcharge
us for all the transfers we want to do. Like
that's fine, and if it is, I'll even throw out
the asterisks. If it's all forty chess and he's just
posturing so he doesn't have to pay as much in
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transfer fees, good on you. Covenant collapse around that being said,
if it is at face value, they need to sell
to buy, even though he could spend two hundred million
pounds and still be under the Province of State in
ability rules. That's that is unacceptable to me. You don't
care about the team, you don't care about the success.
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And it's not just the transfer spending. I've been banging
on the drum because he'll if you ask him, he'll say, well,
we're in the top and you know so and so
for you know, transfer fees, and we're right up there.
If you look at the wages, they're nowhere near. They're
nowhere near. There's a reason why they went and got
Bergvall and Archie Gray who are eighteen. They don't have
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to pay as high wages than going to get say
Jack Grealish or somebody like that. There's a reason for
that because they don't want to pay the wages. The
wages are you know, bottom half, if not bottom third
of the prem So a lot of it is on
Levy and unfortunately they can sack and they can get
rid of players, you know, not to go conte on
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the bit, but they can change the manager, they can
change the players, but it's going to stay the same
until Levy is either out of power or has an
investor like some Saudi guy in and starts feeding the
money so we can spend money on players because and wages.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
As we kind of wrap up here on Tottenham and
transitioning to my club, Arsenal, I mean you looked at
the dichotomy of what was going on over the weekend
between Liverpool playing You never walk alone.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
In the most iconic song in football to a boxer
walking out at Tottenham.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
High to North London Forever, the Arsenal anthem, and I'm
going to spare you my version of it because you're
going through enough right now with your football club and
your fans or the people who are occupying that stadium
for those fights over the weekend heard that anthem belt
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it out.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I'm not sure whose decision it was, but it's tone
deaf and it's dumb, and.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
It shows that you're probably really is is just obtuse
to what's going on. And I hope for your sake, Brett,
that they really get it right, because this year, no fan,
as much as I don't like Tottenham and I don't
like their fans and I root against them.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You didn't deserve this. For how much time and energy
you have spent over the last couple of years defending
this man.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And defending this club, and for them to put in
these performances. I totally understand your apathy, and you're just
kind of just you just want to wash your hands
with this season and kind of put the dice in
a in a in a barrel, roll them out and
see what comes up next season, because lord knows, it's
got to be better than what has happened this season.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Moving over to my clubs, well, hang on, hang on it, yeah, yeah,
hang out, go ahead. I don't blame the club at
all for the boxing thing. I just want to I
just want to point that out, okay, because.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
No, not the club, I know it's not the club,
but who but whoever's running the operations for.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
It was probably whoever the boxing. They probably just gave
it up to the boxing promote is just like, go ahead,
do your thing, you know what I mean, Like they
probably didn't even care, so or like not that they
didn't care, but like they probably just gave it up,
like they all, right, boxing guy, here's the board, here's
how to play the music. There you all right, We're done,
We're out of here. So and the most ironic thing
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about it, too, is that the boxer I don't even
know who it is, don't care. He's a bum. I
don't even care if you want or not. Bum. He's
playing North London forever in our stadium, but he's having
the fight in our stadium, which is generating money for
the club. So joke's on him. We're gonna take all
that money. So yeah, you can play your little tune, uh,
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but we're pocketing all the money forward anyway, So appreciate
your investment in the Tottenham Hotspur Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
The Revenge of the Nerds exactly. Yeah, okay, well no, no, no,
I mean that, I mean that, I mean that works.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
And you know what if the song's not gonna work
for him, and the song's not gonna work in the stadium,
then maybe they'll play it in a couple of days time,
or actually they'll play it next week as Arsenal uh
take on PSG. They're heading to Paris and it should
be really a fascinating tie. We haven't spoken on the
podcast through a bunch.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Of different different things.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Real Madrid, the two legged tie, Arsenal come through, and
not to gloss over it, it was it was more impressive,
I think the second leg than the first because the
first leg you saw the free kicks and Marino with
a really nice third goal.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
But the second leg, you know the rim ontata.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
As everybody as everybody was saying, is the big comeback,
as everybody was anticipatating because this was Arsenal's history. Well
it was never to be and they never got a
sniff of it, so that was kind of put to rest,
which is what was most impressive for me. And now
they'll take on a ps PSG side that for me,
after they beat Liverpool, were the favorite to win the
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competition and I still think they're the favorite. I still
think that they're going to eat Arsenal over two legs,
So I'm not going to go out on a women
predicted Arsenal are going to win. But from what you've
seen from Arsenal, and forget the league for him, Yes,
they've drawn against Palace and teams like that and Brentford
and but they're going to finish second or at worst,
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I would think finish third because there's only so many
games to go in Europe. Going up against this PSG side,
seeing what you saw on the second leg against Real Madrid,
the fourteen time champions, do you think that they have
what it takes to get through two legs.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I didn't think they had what it takes to beat
Real Madrid, neither did Molina when she was on the pod.
So and they did that, so who's to say. I
don't think anything's out of the question for them. As
much as it makes me physically hurt and physically sick
to my stomach, I don't think it's out of the
question that they beat PSG. So to me, Real Madrid
is the team to beat with Imbappe and Vinnie and
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they took care of them just fine. So with several
free kicks from Declan Rice at the Emirates, so I
don't know. I think it's possible. I wouldn't rule them
out at all. I don't I if I were you,
I would be just as optimistic as i'd be. I
don't know about more optimistic, but I would be equally
as optimistic as I was going into Real Madrid and
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after too. I think I think it's totally not that
it's your Champions League to lose. God, it just sucks
to say not that it's your Champions League to lose,
but you certainly can win it, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
On the other side, yet, Barcelona, who's playing really really
well right now and yeah obviously has uh you know,
lamal And and Lewandowski and just just an assortment of
tremendous players, and they're going to take on a Milan
side that's that's gotten through some really good sides too,
including Bayern Munich and Harry Kane, so that I expect
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Barcelona to go through. But in the in the in
the Arsenal draw, I just don't think even with Marino
healthy and they announced that Ben White is healthy, Califiori
is going to be out, but everybody else other than
the long term injuries like we know of Gabrielle, who's
gonna be out at center back.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Kirior is going to play and he's been brilliant.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Havertz obviously has been out for a few months, and
they're gonna start, and they're gonna start Marino up front,
so we're gonna see if this makeshift sort of front
can work again. I'm not sure if he's gonna play
Martinelli or or Tressard on the left, but the key
for me is Soaka and Odagard on the right. You
see what kind of partnership that they have when you
have two guys on the pitch that can link up
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like that so well. I mean you saw it with
Son and Kane.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I mean they.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Knew exactly where where each other was going to be.
Kin would be so good at that hold up play
and Son would run down the wing and Kane would
exactly know the way to the pass and spring Son.
And that's kind of what.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I what I like more towards.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
The box when it comes when it comes to Sokka
and Oda guard. So I hope to see more of that,
keep more possession because as we saw in the last
two ties against European opposition, PSG generated a ton of
chances against Liverpool and Villa, and who's to say they
won't generate a ton against you know, makeshift defense with
without their.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
One of their bet defenders in Gabriel.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
So it should be U.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It should be fascinating.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I think that they'll they'll win it, they'll win it home,
but somehow they'll they'll they'll lose by a couple of
goals on the road, So I'm not.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Going to predict that that they're going to get through here.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Even though you say that the possibilities are endless.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
I think that I think the possibilities are endless to
Pack the Prince. There's there's two things I love saying,
Pack de Prince and I love saying PSG. I love
saying that as well, which is a total inside joke
that I don't think anyone else is going to get.
But maybe I'll link I'll link it in the podcast description.
What I'm talking about when I say that number one
PSG is brilliant. So anyways, yeah, it's gonna be I
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mean you talk about I mean, these are four big
clubs in the final four, Arsenal, PSG, Barcelona, ter you
know those are clubs you want in the final four
of the Champions League. So it'll be a fun finish
for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
And not only that, but I think we could both
agree that if they go through the likes of Real Madrid,
PSGG and PSG number three Barcelona, if they go through
those three clubs.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
You've earned it.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Spanish teams and the team that was the that's the
favorites right now, in with in the bookies' minds.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
In PSG slight favorites.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Though yes, I would say that they've absolutely earned it,
no doubt about it. But again, we could be talking
in a month's time about Arsenal, Tottenham and dare I
say the most likely of all the London teams to
win a European trophy Chelsea as the hat trick of
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European trophies making their way to London. It would be
It would be quite a fascinating site, winn't it, Brett.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
I don't know how. I don't know how they would
sing the song, you know, because we as the whole
city of London could just sing Champions of Europe. You'll
never sing that, you know. I don't know how that
would work. We just rise in Unison all one day
in London and yeah, you know what you know, what
would you.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Would you take an Arsenal Champions League parade and trophy
if it meant.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
You winning the Europa League?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And I know that this is an old sports radio
hypothetical questions.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
What's your mount rushmore of.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, exactly no, but it actually was a good hypothetically.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
What's your kitchen items?
Speaker 7 (21:42):
Even because it's legit, because it's it's close to happening.
I mean, both teams are in semi finals, So would
you sign for both teams winning right now?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
If you could?
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Would you accept the summer of me gloating that they
won the chance just you could get back in the
league next year and beat and I don't potentially beat
Arsenal in.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
A knockout stage. Every worth it.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Every bit of me in my brain. Can I can
hear my friend John Aikeden, I can hear Parker Fox,
I can hear Molina shouting no, no, no, we don't
want Arsenal winning the Champions League, No no, no. I
can hear your friend Matt saying absolutely not. It's a
little part of me that would be okay with that
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because we need a trophy and we need a pad
and to win a European Trophy I think would be
a big deal and would get a big monkey off
of our back as a club. So it would suck.
I would hate it, and we'd have our own parade,
you know, right down the road. But man, I there
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there is a part of me that I think to
win European Now, I'll say this, if it was like
a League Cup, maybe i'd feel differ, right, But to
get into the Champions League and to win a European trophy, I'm.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, you're getting not only getting a trophy, you're getting
the summer to celebrate.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You don't care who the manager is, and you're.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Gonna be playing in the Champions League next year.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah I think I might.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I think I might. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
So that folks, if you if you heard the last
two minutes of this podcast, it means Brett didn't edit
this out.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
No, I left it in.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I left it in. Yeah. Uh, just real quick on
the top four race and then we can we can
call it.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
There, yeah, because because obviously it's I mean, it's actually
a top five race now, want to call it that?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Yep, So poor Forrest. I did say they would drop
out eventually, but I didn't think it'd be this late
in the season. But they're in the the Europa League
spot in sixth right now. But they're tied with Chelsea.
But Chelsea are literally in the fifth spot by gold differential.
So but Chelsea's next game against Liverpool, uhuh. But then again,
Liverpool's a dead team, they got nothing to play for,
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so they've already won the press, So how much are
they going to be in that versus Chelsea, who need
to win to secure that top five Again, Spurs finished
fifth last season, would have been in a Champions League
spot this year if you guys would have got your
crap together in the Champions League last year. But that's
neither here nor.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
There, right.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
But yeah, it's a fun little race between City Chelsea
and Nottingham Forest. And if you'd have told me that
at the start of the season, I would have laughed
you out of the building. So so yeah, it'll be
a fun finish for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
No no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Chelsea have some really tough games to finish the season,
and I think that even though I did predict them
to make the top five, they are definitely going to
have the toughest road of all of all the teams
I think we can pretty much pencil in Newcastle as
well a third or fourth spot. I think they're they're
just playing way too well right now. They don't have
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Europe uh to to to concern themselves with. They can
just keep grinding our results.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
In the league.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
And yeah, so I think that's a that's a really
good way to look look at the top four race.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
So again, we've uh, we've covered your club.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I think hopefully we've cheered you up and and the
Spurs fans that.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Listen really well, you know what you know, I'll say this.
I'll say this, Robbie. I talked about it more than
I thought I would and articulated my thoughts more than
I thought I would coming into it. So there is
a little bit of like I've got it off my
chest more than I thought that I would feel. So
so there's well, there's your solace for you.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Well, as the eighties song goes, I think it was
Elvis Costello that's saying it, things can only get better.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah, well, I can't smile without you, but I need
to smile with you. Spurs come on.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yes, So anyways, yes, So the moments have been few
and far between for Spurs but again they're they're greatest
moments potentially may still be to come, and we'll be
back with you after Arsenal take on PSG and Tottenham
take on Bodo Glimpt. This week will recap the European
action and previewed next week's second legs of the ties
(26:17):
as Arsenal and Tottenham hunt European trophies for the first
time in their histories.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
For Brett Blake
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Moore and Robbie Rosenhause, this has been another edition of
the London Club Council
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