January 21, 2025 • 42 mins
Welcome to the London Club Council! The FAN's Brett Blakemore and Robbie Rosenhaus are opposing fans in England's biggest rivalry. They talk about Spurs being on the brink of relegation, Arsenal hanging around, and the rest of the big 6 clubs!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
We're at it again. Welcome to another meeting of the
London Club Council, now representing Tottenham Hotspur. In this corner
we do have Brett Blakemore and repping Arsenal is Robbie Rosenhaus.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
So boys, let the banter begin.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Welcome into another edition of the London Club Council. Robbie
ROSENOWCIO representing Arsenal, Brett Blakemore representing Tottenham Hotspur Football Club
and for both clubs not the best of weeks. But
for Brett's club it seems like a pit of despair.
And we'll start there because Tottenham it seems like other
than Manchester United. This year in the league, they've been
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the club that everybody has been talking about in a
negative way and.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I want to par for the course, and yes, that
does happen.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Every year we finished fifth, two points out of Champions
League and everyone talked negatively about the so with all
the stratosphere of.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Which again I was, I was gonna get to it later,
but I'll get to that now. Actually that you brought
that up, the fact that they finished fifth last year
two points out a Champions League without Harry Kane.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Just shows you what good of a job that Ange did.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
So if we go back to when Ange was hired,
I mean, Robbie Williams was singing songs about him.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I mean he even was quoted and said it felt
like a nightclub. The fans were one hundred percent behind him,
which again, you have.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
A loyal fan base, You have that loyal following, and
it seems like they do want to support this manager
and they do want to get behind him because they
appreciate his commitment to playing his certain style and trying
to kind of get through this rut which seems like
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they've hit rock bottom. And for your sake, let's hope
that they've hit rock bottom, because there are certainly other
things that could come into play that would be the
kind of the doomsday scenario, like relegation. But we're not
even gonna talk about that. So let's get into your
club a little bit here and just kind of see
where you're at with.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Your pulse on the team, with half empty or half full.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
So I'm gonna paint this picture for you, and you
tell me kind of what camp you sit in. Okay,
this is this is kind of the the negative part
of it. Okay, you sit fifteenth in the table, you
have a one goal advantage, going in a semi final,
going to the best team in Europe, going to play
at their place, it's going to be a very, very.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Tough hill to climb. You're in an FA Cup competition.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You're going to play Villa on Super Bowl Sunday here
in the States, another tough place to go should be
illegal going to be a tough hill to climb. Okay,
Europa League. They play Hoffenheim this week, a big match.
If they can get a win there, it probably secures
their plays for an automatic top eight spot in the
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final sixteen of the Europa League.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
If they do not, which is time they need off.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
To my point, that would give them two less games.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
That they would have to play, including travel to play
one of them midweek, in the middle of a Premier
League season where you're trying to just stay afloat at
this point. And this is all bad stuff that could
and may well happen. Now, let's look at the positive
side of how things could actually turn out.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Okay, their league fourmust fifteenth. We have to assume that
at some point they're going to put together a run
of games when they get healthy, especially at the best
they're going to start leaking goals and they're going and
they're going to start scoring them at the front. Okay,
they're in the FA Cup.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Maybe they get a result against Villa, who knows, they
get into anfield and Liverpool playing in all these competitions
and who knows, maybe they get a result there.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
All they need is a draw to go through to Wembley.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And as Age says, he gets trophies in a second season,
and perhaps that's the case in Europa League. If they
get the results against Hoffenheim and Elfsberg, they waltz right
into the final eight and they're sitting well in at
least two competitions, maybe three, but at least the one
that they want the most, and that's at this point,
and that's and that's the Carling Cup. Is where they said,
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I know you, you would say Europa League is probably preferred,
but it comes it comes down to whether or not
in this microcosm of the season is a trophy going
to happen. So they have a chance for that. So
I've just painted you glass half full and half empty.
And it seems like the fan base, it seems like
the fan base is kind of torn right now. On Ange,
but the board even after sacking Conte when he was
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fourth in the table or fifth in the table, and
Marinho when he was like sixth or seventh in the table.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well Conte, yeah, but go ahead, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
But well we know his rant obviously led to his
dismissal and he.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Was yes, he was, no, it was.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It was a mutiny on the bounty kind of situation.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
So do you sit in the glass half full camp
or half empty camp? Because right now, Brett, you look
at your next five or six games, Hoffenheim, Elsberg, you
play Lester and Brentford in the league. You play Lester
at home. Should be a win, but who knows, Lester
have some poor form.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Should we should have beat Everton?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah, you should have been at Everton.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, with that squad, they should have beat him.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
And I think if the second, if the second goal comes,
maybe a little bit sooner, perhaps you get a point
out of that game. Because Everton, when they let that
first goal in, it was all Tattenham from then on out.
I mean it was it.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Was a one way slope pitch down to the Everton net.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
So they play those two European games against Hoffenheim and Elsberg,
they play those two Premier League games against lester and
at Brentford, which could be tricky, although Liverpool just went
there and overcame almost a nil nil by scoring two
goals late. And then they had the two cup ties,
one mid week against Liverpool and then on super Bowl
Sunday they play Aston Villa. So I think by Super
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Bowl Sunday we're gonna have a very very good idea
of where this Tottenham team sits. And I think then
and only then is when you can make a decision
on the manager.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Do you agree and where do you sit when it
comes to half full or half empty?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I'm going to give a nuanced answer to that because
I don't think it's just all one or all the
other things. I'm I suppose glass half full. About first,
I don't think any other manager in the world, Pep, anybody,
you name it, with this crisis could do anything. Could
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they do slightly? Could they grind out more?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
You know?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Nil nil results probably you know, and we're talking about
instead of you know, the fifteen points or twenty three
points or whatever Spurs have. I don't even know if
the top of my head they have twenty four. Maybe
you bump that twenty four to twenty seven. You know
what I mean, from getting a few more draws. Whoop
the do you know? I don't think sacking Ande does
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anything at this point in time. I just don't think
it does. And I mean I'm looking at the timelines
right now. I mean Brnan Johnson doubtful, Romero late January
twenty twenty five with a muscle injury. Ow Doggy are
starting left back late February twenty twenty five, hamstring so
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lanky knee injury early March twenty twenty five Forrester are
backup keeper doubtful, the Carrio early March twenty twenty five,
the fraction ankle or Van deven hamstring injury late twenty
twenty five, Benton Kirk concussion late January twenty twenty five.
Timo Werner who doesn't even score half, not half the
time and ninth of the time he's out with the
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hamstring injury late January twenty twenty five. I remember William Odebert,
remember him, who has seen him play like twice. He's
got a hamstring injury late or mid February twenty twenty five.
Having the attacking option that can win one on one
that'd be great right now, Basuma, he's having scans on
guess what his hamstrings. That's probably gonna be another three
or four weeks right there. I think Bran Johnson is
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another three or four weeks too. So I just named
like three or four attackings. The four out of the
back five of you count the keeper, count the keeper.
That's six of the back five. You know what I mean?
That are out. It's just we got Ben Davis back though,
thank god. I just don't think that anyone else in
the world you name him, could do any better besides
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getting two or three more points from draws because they
sit back in a low block and no one wants
to see that. Obviously, I want to see that more relegation,
but regardless, So that's where I'm kind of half full on,
and I still fully believe that with a healthy team
like we saw last year. Now granted they had more
older death last year. There's another point is that they
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had the hoy Beers and the Skips. Now are they great? No,
but we don't have any older veteran depth right now
because getting to my glass half empty point, the board
has not I mean, this is Pochettino, don't sign anyone
in a window level backing that he's seeing right now,
and all everything I see linked is eighteen year olds.
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They have no business like, they haven't signed a single
outfield player and this squad is decimated. To me, this
is purely on Levy and and the board and the spending.
It's just ridiculous. You see Chelsea signing guys right now,
you see man City signing guys to support, and like,
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I hate the big club narrative with the burning passion.
I really hate the big club narrative. But if we
want to be a big club, this is small club
activity that's happening right now is the backing.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
And I just.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Think that if you know and just gonna. I think
another reason that he's staying is because of his the
way that he's like, well, still on me and I've
still got to do. Like he's not just throwing the
board under the bus like every other manager probably should,
because they deserve it and I am too. I think
that is a part of that. They know that he's
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willing to fall on the sword for them basically, so
they're keeping him around anyways. I don't know, I just
don't think it would change anything. I really don't you
maybe get a result or too for a new manager
bounce and that's it. So I think the board needs
to be fully yet blame and Levy for not spending
and not helping him.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I don't think it solves anything by sacking him now.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I just think it would cause and more and more
chaos and throw more logs kind of onto the fire
that is burning right now. And I think they kind
of need to cool down the temperature by perhaps getting
a result here this week in Europe and secure their
place in that top eight, because that's.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
A competition that obviously, I mean, they can finish. They
can finish sixteenth in the league this year, and if
they win Europa League, they'll be playing Champions League football
next year. Correct, So it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I mean Chelsea finished, I don't know eleventh, had won
the Champions League, whatever the case may be. But so
in those competitions, one doesn't have anything to do with
the other. But but the Premier League is the bread
and butter bread and that's kind of what people are
complaining about when it comes to their Premier League form.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
They're not they're not getting results.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
And even what you said here before you chime in, Basically,
you know, I don't care what you know, not that
you don't care what happens, because obviously you want to
see them win every game, but you don't care as much.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
I think is what you are trying to get across because.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Because these results, I mean, yeah, is it going to
matter if we finish ninth or thirteenth basically at this
point because it looks I don't think we're going to
finish fifteenth. So is it a matter of oh, we're
gona finish nineth We're gonna finish thirteenth. Does it really
matter at this point?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And I hope it don't get relegated. That's what I
hope for.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I understand, I understand that, and men you fans also
have that have that thought as well. But I think
both clubs have too much talent considering the fact that
the three relegated sides are the three ones that are
probable to go back down at this point.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Another thing I wanted to point out with the Everton
match is and gets a lot of flak from from
the anjout crowd about not changing his tactics. Oh, he's
very stubborn and he only does things a certain way.
Guess what happened against Everton played a back three, and
and you know what he said. He said he was
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asked about it, why did you change formation? Because oh
it changed it didn't work out. Well, why did he change?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
You know?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Two years he never changes well, which is not true.
That's I could get into more of that later. He
does tweak things and change things, but overall it's it's
the same formation, the same ideas with different tweaks, but
changes to a back three doesn't work and he gets
reamed for for change. It was just brilliant. So but
then what he said in the presser was, I've got
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eleven fit players. Gotta gotta get them all out there somehow.
So here, that's the way we could do it is
to play a back three. You have, Well, it was
Spence Poro, Davis Dragastein who was very bad. And there
was one other defender that I'm forgetting that was out
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there as well.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Archie Gray, Archie Archie Grave.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, so you've got eleven fit players, what do you
want him to do? You know you got It's just
I truly don't think that it's being correctly stated. How
much like this is like next, like Newcastle last year. Like,
to me, this is like next level injury And is
that on his training or the training staff or blah
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blah blah.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Who knows, but yeah, and it seems like he's only
got what like four first team five first team regulars
to pick from if he had his entire squad to
pick from. So it's it's been a dance that we've
done basically for two months now.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I mean, it's the same discussions that we have weekend
week at and I'm sure it is tiresome to listen
to from your end, listener, I'm talking to you that
it is from Brett's end, from talking to everybody about it.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
So how are we going to change it? The question
is what are the solutions? And I I.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Think I think that they.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Lie within, but I do think you're right that they
do that they could use an outfield player, especially up front.
I mean, you look at the most used players that
Ange has played this year, Poro and Slanky, those are
the two guys that have longed the most minutes for
them this year. Year.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
It's so good.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
What do you what do you put on the fixture
list being so congested this year?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Because if you look at last year, right, you were
out of the f A Cup very early.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Oh no, you're out of the Caravell Cup early.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
They lost They lost to Fulham in the first.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
There was an early exit from one of the cups.
There was, there was there was another exit from a cup.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I don't remember how we lost the FA Oh I
remember how we lost in the f A Cup to
freaking man City at home because they open ice body
checked the cario out of the way and it was
the foul.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
It's just ridiculous. Anyways, the rich get richer. But nevertheless,
you were as you are this year. This year, as
we discussed in our in our first little sequence there
when I talked about last half full or half empty,
you have all these competitions you're alive in.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You know, yes, the Premier League, but there's four competitions
you're playing at at this point.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Forget about competing in you're playing in four. You have
to play those eighteen games or whatever, seventeen games that
are left in the Premier League. You at least have
one more in the in the Carabo Cup, you at
least have one more in the FA Cup, and you're
going to have many more in Europe.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Hopefully for your sake. So by that point when the
when the fixture list I think kind of squeezes up again.
Hopefully your squad will be healthier. But last year finishing
fifth and not having to play all those games, do
you think that the number of games this year has
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also factored into why they've performed so poorly.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
It's a factor for sure. I'm here to tell you though,
ladies and boys and girls, welcome to being a big club.
You know what I mean. If you want to be
a big club, you got to play those fixtures. That's
just how the game is. Every other big club's doing
it so and I think it goes back to the board.
I think they got rid of myself included called for
the deadwood to go. We need to get rid of
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Hoyber and Eric Dyer and you know, because he's dire
in defense, I could go down the list right of
just like, get rid of these guys that have been
here forever that are no good. And they did that
and they made their money, and then they what did
we get? Because the idea is you get rid of
the deadwood and you use that money to then go
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and get new players that fit the now Bergwall is blossoming.
Is he the guy that you're going to play every
minute of every game at this point in his career
right now? Probably not. You know, Archie Gray is going
to blossom at some point. We weren't expecting to playing
at center back every minute of every game, you know
what I mean. So they didn't really replace them with
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ready made guys for this season right now. That doesn't
mean that Archie and Lucas are going to be bad players,
because I think they're going to be good players. But
you can't. It's just gross and competence from the board
because now you have more games. If anything, there should
have been more depth this season than there was last
season because of those you know, fixtureless and the tight fixtures.
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And by the way, last thing, at the beginning of
the season, I was moaning about the international breaks. I'm like, God,
can we just play some football for God's sake? Like,
do we have to have international break? Now I'm on
the corner with my mug just shaking around the change.
Is there an international break? Can we please have an
international break? Any form of break? We need to get healthy,
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Like I where can we and now there's none?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
There's none. As far as the.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Eye can see. So it is what it is. It's
just it's Spurs, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
So well, it is Spurs.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
And you know who does get a break though, Brett,
you know which club does get a break?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Who's that?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
That's Arsenal. You know why because they got knocked out
of the FA Cup so they won't be on FA
Cup weekend. They got dumped out by Manchester United.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Not everyone can beat man United in a cup competition
this season. Not everyone can. It was ken very.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Very disappointing to see them kicked out of that competition.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
But just overall, Arsenal have not been firing all on
all cylinders.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And there's been some blowback here with the manager, which
I'm not exactly sure.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Where it's coming from.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I mean, I get the portion of the fan base
that thinks that this team is peaked, but.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
They have to realize that Socca is so important to
what they do.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
And it is within the council that the window is closing.
Well it is not, it.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Is, it is definitely not closing. U Kayosaka is I
think twenty two or twenty three years old. Odaguard is
like twenty four or twenty five years old. Saliba is
twenty three or twenty four years old.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Either way, your defense against Spurs, the North London Arbie
my god or the good Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
And Gabriel, who everybody's giving flowers now too because of
his set piece achievements, has been a rock star out
there defensively. Forget about him scoring goals. I mean he's
been fantastic when it comes to playing in his own.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Six yard box. I mean just the clearances.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
You can see why they're one of the better defensive
teams in the league. Be that as it may. They
allowed a two nothing lead to slip away to Villa
last weekend, which annoyed me to no end. Villa is
a team that's in the mix for the top four.
They're in Europe. They're a very very good side and
you can't allow them to kind of have a sniff
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at it, and that's what they did with that first goal,
and then they get the second one. Arsenal score late,
but it goes off Kai Havert's arm. I still think
it went off as mid riffs. Nevertheless, Arsenal draw to too.
They're out of the FA c Up, the Carabell Cup.
They're down two nil to Newcastle so it's just kind
of a state of the.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Union here on Arsenal. They're European form is pristine.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I mean, don't get me wrong, I expect a result
against Dinamo Zagreb this week.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
To ask the other member of the council, Zagreb can
be a little bit of a challenge.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Yes, yes, as Chelsea fans would know, but I fully
expect them since the European form has been very good,
I expect them to get the points. They only need
one win in their last two.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Probably to secure that top eight spot to avoid that playoff,
which is what Tottenham want in the Europa League, so
that we can both avoid two legged playoffs that nobody
wants to play. So they're in that kind of as
we do as state of the union here. And they
said second in the Premier League behind Liverpool, tied with
Nottingham Forest of all teams just past the midway point.
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So I'd give them right now a B plus grade
for their season. Brett and I it's it's a mix
of emotions. But right now I can't fault them because
soccer is out, but also I can't kind of absolve
them from blowing into nothing leads. So my mind's in
a lot of places right now with this club, and
maybe you can help decipher it.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Saliba missing the Villa match concerned. I mean Timber is
not bad.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Right, No, he's not. He's he's a good player. They
play him in a lot of different positions. They play
him at center back, they play him at right back,
sometimes they play him in the midfield.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I mean he's going to be a big part of
their future with Thomas Party departing in the summertime, and Timber.
Timber is a good player, it's just the Party was responsible.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
For He's responsible for a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Well, there's that, but he also scored a great goal
against Spurs a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
But nevertheless, well that certainly even things out, doesn't it. Yeah,
sar tongue firmly in cheap there you do. I mean
you've got a little bit of time to get the
form back though, because it means the grab all jokes
aside because Chelsea lost him like what two years ago,
and then Wolves that should Wolves are not a good
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football club, the fan has learned. And then you get
Yourna Girona. Youirona Girona on the road in Champions League.
All of that build up to then host the Champions
man City right, which which we all know will be
a one to one or a nil nil game, even
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though I think the last time they played it was
actually a good game. I think Calfiory had like a
banger of a goal, so yes.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I believe it was. Believe it wound up to two
if I remember.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Correctly, something like that, But yeah, any other to me.
To me, that's the biggest thing is you've got a
little ramp to get to man City and to winnable
games in Champions League. For you guys, even without soccer
and without you, do you feel like the open play
chances have been any better though?
Speaker 4 (24:02):
No, I mean they're one of the worst teams in
the league when it comes to creating chances from open play,
and I think a lot of that has to do
with the various injuries that they've had. But again that's
not an excuse for the players that go in there.
They should be able to perform better.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
But when you see Odigar go out for a long
period of time and then you see Socca go out
for a long period of time and they're not playing together,
those two work very very well together. Down that right
flank and Martinelli. Yes, he scored a goal, that's great,
but they're moving him all over the pitch. A couple
of years ago he was a budding superstar and his
form has kind of fallen off, so they do have
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some choices up front. Trisard just missed a winning goal
though it probably would have been offside last week.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
But it.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Frustrates me that they're not taking their chances because they're
creating so few of them by the statistics. So when
they do get those chances, they need to take them.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
And that's why they're not higher closer to Liverpool, and
that's really why they didn't get that result against Newcastle
in the Carabo Cup, which I still think that they
can go to Saint James's Park and turn that around.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I do.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Bournuth went up there last week for one, so why
can Arsenal go up there and win.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I would much rather play Newcastle in the final than
you lot, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Oh of course, No, of course, just because of the
I mean the risk of losing of getting your getting
to your first final and however many years and then
losing to Arsenal is not worth the reward of actually
beating Arsenal in a final.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I think just winning the final against Newcastle would be
reward itself, Like, you don't need the risk of going
into the game and having that rain of Yes, what
would it be sweet.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
If they got to it and beat Arsenal. Yeah, it
would be the greatest thing for you ever.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
But it's not worth the risk of going there and
Losing's go there against Newcastle and try and do that,
and if we lose to them, good for them and
good for their fans.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
But I'll be losing Robbie's number for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah. Correct, you would be blocked for a while. If
if you guys beat us in a cup final, that
would be I might not see you for for it
could be two weeks. Just wow, see you later anyways,
Not really. Maybe do you feel like I mean, I
feel like that's really it with Arsenal right now. I
don't feel like there's a they're they're hanging around. They
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they're not in like world beating form, but they're not
like in like, oh my god, sound the alarms form either.
I think they're just kind of hanging around until soccer
gets back. So there's much to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
They have to stem the tide. You you put it
succinctly there.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
They have to they have to hold form and they
really have to kind of hold their place.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Is the league out of reach I'm not.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I'm not gonna say that yet because there's way too
many games to go now. If there were nine or
ten games to go and they were still seven, six
or seven behind, then potentially, but there's still double that
amount left even more, and they still have to play
Liverpool once, so I'm not ruling that out. And Liverpool
almost just dropped two points at Brentford over the weekend.
They were nil nil until the ninetieth minute and they
got rescued late. So again, but that's what champions do
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they they get late.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Winners like that.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
So speaking of Liverpool, you know who just drew Liverpool
last week, won one and are still continuing to win
over and over and over again. Nottingham Forrests just won't
go away. Chris Wood has freaking fourteen league goals this year.
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
There.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
They're unbeaten in their last eight matches. It's their longest
streak in the top division since nineteen ninety five. I'm
not going to say that this is a Lester like
run because Lester won the damn League, and I still don't.
I don't think there's a universe where that happens. For Forrest.
I just this season, there's just no way that can happen.
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But I still don't think there's a way that they
get the top four. I think eventually it has to
run out eventually, but I can't say that every single week.
And then they keep winning.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
They just keep winning.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
They don't stop.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Their last like handful of games, Everton, a team that's
perch beaten but would talk about that later, beat them.
Wolve's bad team, they beat them, They played Luton beat them,
they drew to Liverpool who probably probable champions, and they
beat a Southampton team three too. I'm just they just
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keep winning and I don't. I just can't wrap my
head around why it's happening. And I don't know. Maybe
I need to just watch more Forest and figure it out,
because what is Nuno cracked? You know that anyone else?
I just don't. I don't get it, but they keep winning,
so I can't rip them. They keep winning well.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
They have an excellent goalkeeper in Cells who may get
the Golden Glove this year.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
I mean he's been just as really.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Fantastic, made a lot of great plays out at short
stop this.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
They have a lot of other good players too, bred
I mean Anthony gives White, I mean Chris Wood as
you mentioned up front, I mean Brooks, and they unreal.
They have a very very solid squad.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
And again this is this is not a small club, Okay,
this is a club that had been in Europe, has
have has had some European glory before.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
You'll let's do it together. You'll never sing that. You'll
never sing that champions of Europe. You'll never sing that.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Yeah, I get that. I get that all the time.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
But forrest now, let you know to their to their.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Credit, have been absolutely fantastic this season, and I think
that they have a legitimate chance to finish top four.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I don't think that this is a fluke anymore. I
think that they are here to stay.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
And right now, if you ask me gun to gun
to your head, do they finish top four, I'm gonna
say yes.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Just due to the ash, I don't have the button
bar seas of clubs like Chelsea and man City and
Newcastle who just dropped a four to one loss to
Bournemouth over the weekend, and teams like Bournemouth who were
in the mix, I can see.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I can see.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Farth nipping fourth or fifth if potentially they award that
fifth spot to the Premier League.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
So I'm gonna predict right, are in Europe next year?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I think in Europe is pretty safe for them. I
think that's a safe but I don't know if it's
Champions League, Okay, don't know, but yeah, you have to
see through the forest, through the trees with that.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
And drum rolls here correct and the button bar unfortunately
is closed.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, that would be a uha joke for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I hated getting that never mind be as as it
may that AHA drop, but you gave it to me
and uh well sometimes we're.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Deserving of the aha last week.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
So yeah, what do you think of Arling Holland? Speaking
of Man City? Uh huh uh nine and a half
year contract with Man City. He is committed through twenty
thirty four, which is not really there.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I don't think that that will ever see the end
of his deal there. He'll want He's gonna wind up
in Spain halfway.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Through this deal.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
That's that's Is that right? You know what I don't get,
and I mean this could go This is kind of
another tangent. I just I don't understand, Like like Tren
Alexander Arnold right boyhood Liverpool. I think boyhood Liverpool fan.
I know he's he is a Scouser and like, oh,
I've done all there is to do here, so I'm
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going to Real Madrid. Like to I get, you get
the trophies. I think we've had this conversation on the
pot before I get you get the trophies. I get
all that, you get the glory and they're the best
team in the world and you play in a fantastic stadium.
But it's just like the league is such a formality
down there, you know what I mean, Like, I just
don't see the glory in winning La Laga because it's
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just everyone anyone who goes down there to Real Madrid
does it.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
I think if you're Tron Alexander Arnolds, it's a new challenge.
I think kind of that's.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
What challenge is there. There's no challenge there. I'm gonna
waltz to a Champions League.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Oh boy, I'm going to a foreign country. I'm playing
for one of the best clubs in the world. I
think that I am one of the best players in
the world. So I'm going to play for the most
prestigious club in Europe and they want me, well, I'm
going to go play for them. I've done all that
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I can do here. I've won Champions Leagues. I've won leagues,
I've won Cups, I've won this, I've won that. I've
won everything there is to win here at my home
town club. Now I'm going to take my talents to Madrid.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
And I don't bounce the South beach.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I don't. I don't blame him one bit. Now, if
he was going to uh like Dubai or like like Ronaldo,
did I mean just to make their league legitimate?
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I mean that would then that would bring alarm bells
for me. But no, I don't going.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I just don't understand it.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
It's just like there's no challenge in it. There's no
why is there no?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Why is there no challenging If Barcelona is still in
the league, at Atletico Madrid is still a good team, Uh,
you have obviously within that. How about the Champions League?
Did you do you do you know where Real Madrid
is in the Champions League table right now.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Off the top of my head, I did not know
they sit.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Just outside of teams that are are are eliminated.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I believe they're in like eighteenth or nine teeth place
in the table something.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Like they are in, which is twentieth twentieth exactly. Yeah, yes,
so again nobody you know, three wins, three losses for
Real Madrid.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
You know they're just gonna just go there.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
They need him, just goes to show you they need him.
I mean, he's a fantastic player, don't get I mean
he he's not the best defender, but I mean going forward,
he's one of the best, if not uh the best
in the Premier League, in maybe the world.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Going back, going back to Arling Holland. Though you think
he's gonna be in Spain, but just men city in general,
like Foden starting to score goals. Now, I don't know,
objects in the mirror could be closer than they appear.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, yeah, they're starting to put stuff together. Listen, they
went on a ten or twelve game.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
A matter of time where they just i mean couldn't
get any results. I mean it wasn't even dross, I
mean it was it was lost after loss after law
and City after years of just stacking up wins and
just kind of unbeaten runs forget wins. Just to see
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that many l's pile up, it's just mind boggling. So
you knew that they were always going to get it together,
and they have and they're definitely a threat for the
top four.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
One thing, as we wrap up, there's two teams in
the Big six that we have not touched on yet.
One of them plays Man City this Saturday. That is Chelsea.
They win again. They look dominant three to one against Wolves,
as you would expect. They do drop points to Bournemouth
at home, but Bournemouth is kind of having a sneakily
good season as well. Yeah, this to me is a
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big This is a measuring stick game on Saturday with
Chelsea and man City. Of all right, you're both vying
for top four. Chelsea look like they're in better overall
form this season, but man City might be a little
more hotter going into it. So this to me could
be a bell to bell game.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Oh, I'm fascinated by it. I think both teams will
be up for it. I think the way City are playing,
I think Chelsea now kind of boosted by their three
to one win over Wolves to getting back on track
after they had gone winless in a few games. I
think they're going to be ready to roll for a
hot city team.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
So I'm not going to predict this one way or
the other, but I do think there's going to be
some goals and I think it's going to be action
packed as both teams really try and fight for the
top four and try and stay within touching distance of Liverpool,
because I think with a win by either side they
can claim that they're still right in this title race,
especially if Liverpool don't pick up full points over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Ten thousand votes on Footbomb of who will win, fifty
two of the vote going to Chelsea to win. That
last team that we need to mention to get all
the boxes ticked for the Big six is a team
currently in thirteenth and the table with twenty six points
who had just lost to Brighton three to one. I
believe Ameron said that maybe the worst play in Man
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United history right now, the worst team. Yeah, not good,
twenty six points, twenty two matches they're selling they're getting
rid of. I mean Rashford is going to go if
he hasn't already gone and I haven't seen it yet.
I mean this, to me, this is this is a
different type of disaster from Spurs because Spurs have a
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project that have just I mean called an excuse all
you want, call me a fraud, all you want. I
think injuries is like eighty five percent of the problems,
you know, maybe eighty percent. This to me is just
just bad form and a mess of a club, you
know what I mean. Like they they're spending money, they
just don't know what to do with it, and they're
they're in this weird like gray area where they're trying
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to rebuild and change the way they play, but not
at the same time. It's just to me, this is
a different Spurs and United are both gross and competence,
but I think it's two different flavors of the same dish,
so to speak.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Well, United, I think I think their main issue is
is the players. I do not think it's the manager.
I just think their squad. I just think their squad
isn't good enough.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
I just think that the player recruitment has been so poor,
whether it be and and these are marginal players I mean,
I mean, I mean Hoyland Garte, I mean MASRAWI I mean,
they bought Harry Maguire for a record British fee and
he stinks.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
I mean, it's just it's just, it's just he I mean,
their squad is that gets you going, okay, So it's
just their Their squad to me is just And then
you look back and one of their all time greats
who uh you and I did not have the pleasure
of seeing a player named Dennis Law passed away this
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past week for Manchester United, and they did a lot
of tributes for him at the stadium. They had a
lot of the old Manchester United players there, the greats
Robson and Lewin and all the all the players of yesteryear.
And you look at the squad now and they're not
a lot of them aren't fit to wear the United shirt.
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I mean, And to your point about Rashford going anywhere,
he's not because he's on three hundred pounds away three
hundred thousand pounds wages and nobody's gonna pay that. So
you know, Arsenal has sniffed around it and then they
realized the wage scale that's not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
So you know, he makes a ton of money. You know,
his star was bright at one point, but he's gonna
have to tough it out there until he probably goes abroad.
I think that manager, I think he knows what he's doing.
I mean, he didn't just turn into a bad manager
when he came over from winning titles in Portugal. I
mean they clearly, you know, had the wrong guy when
it came to ten Hog and they're dealing with some
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of his players, is like Anthony, who's terrible.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
And I just think it's it's a very very long rebuild.
I think it's a longer rebuild that what than what
you lot have, because at least the Spurs have the
makings of you know, those young players where oh wow,
we've seen flashes from Bernfal, we've seen Mikey Moore.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
And that against Liverpool was like I mean.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Yeah, yeah, no, yeah no, that was no of course
that was that was after he should after he should
have been sent off. But that's the debate that we
maybe maybe, but that doesn't matter. How he wasn't and
he scored. Mikey Moore another another young kid who another
upset when he gets taken off, but he had the
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beautiful feed into Charleston for the second goal uh in
the game against Everton. So these players aren't ready made,
but they may be in a couple in a couple
of years time. And that's what I think the fan
base is hoping for. In you United's case, these are
players that were brought in to compete. Now, I mean
Tan Hawk want to he won a trophy, so they
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were at least good enough to get through a cup
competition to at least bring bring that home. But as
as long as I can remember this, this United stiate
has been in the mud and I don't know when
they're when they're going to come out of this malaise
because five six, seven years it's been and they just
they just haven't been up to it.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, I agree, I don't I don't know when it's
going to happen, but yeah, they they're just in a
state of disarray, I feel. And the new stadium is coming,
it's like, I don't know, it's we'll see what happens
with them, but my expectations are very low for them,
and I don't think they're going to help out very
much with that coefficient number in Europe when they like
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Rangers at home that they could lose that game. Yeah,
they could lose that game. So anyways, I think we've
covered all of our bases. We've got my Spurs stuff
out of the way, and I think we've touched on
the Big Six.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
So yeah, no, no, absolutely, and as Spurs and Arsenal
go along, we will continue to cover it here on
the London Club Council. We'll be back next week as
we recap the weekend of action as Tottenham take on Leicester,
Arsenal take on Wolves. Hopefully six points for both of
our clubs and we'll talk to you next time. For
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Brett Blake Moore, I'm Robbie Rosenhales here on the London
Club Council
We're at it again. Welcome to another meeting of the
London Club Council, now representing Tottenham Hotspur. In this corner
we do have Brett Blakemore and repping Arsenal is Robbie Rosenhaus.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
So boys, let the banter begin.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Welcome into another edition of the London Club Council. Robbie
ROSENOWCIO representing Arsenal, Brett Blakemore representing Tottenham Hotspur Football Club
and for both clubs not the best of weeks. But
for Brett's club it seems like a pit of despair.
And we'll start there because Tottenham it seems like other
than Manchester United. This year in the league, they've been
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the club that everybody has been talking about in a
negative way and.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I want to par for the course, and yes, that
does happen.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Every year we finished fifth, two points out of Champions
League and everyone talked negatively about the so with all
the stratosphere of.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Which again I was, I was gonna get to it later,
but I'll get to that now. Actually that you brought
that up, the fact that they finished fifth last year
two points out a Champions League without Harry Kane.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Just shows you what good of a job that Ange did.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
So if we go back to when Ange was hired,
I mean, Robbie Williams was singing songs about him.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I mean he even was quoted and said it felt
like a nightclub. The fans were one hundred percent behind him,
which again, you have.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
A loyal fan base, You have that loyal following, and
it seems like they do want to support this manager
and they do want to get behind him because they
appreciate his commitment to playing his certain style and trying
to kind of get through this rut which seems like
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they've hit rock bottom. And for your sake, let's hope
that they've hit rock bottom, because there are certainly other
things that could come into play that would be the
kind of the doomsday scenario, like relegation. But we're not
even gonna talk about that. So let's get into your
club a little bit here and just kind of see
where you're at with.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Your pulse on the team, with half empty or half full.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
So I'm gonna paint this picture for you, and you
tell me kind of what camp you sit in. Okay,
this is this is kind of the the negative part
of it. Okay, you sit fifteenth in the table, you
have a one goal advantage, going in a semi final,
going to the best team in Europe, going to play
at their place, it's going to be a very, very.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Tough hill to climb. You're in an FA Cup competition.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You're going to play Villa on Super Bowl Sunday here
in the States, another tough place to go should be
illegal going to be a tough hill to climb. Okay,
Europa League. They play Hoffenheim this week, a big match.
If they can get a win there, it probably secures
their plays for an automatic top eight spot in the
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final sixteen of the Europa League.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
If they do not, which is time they need off.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
To my point, that would give them two less games.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
That they would have to play, including travel to play
one of them midweek, in the middle of a Premier
League season where you're trying to just stay afloat at
this point. And this is all bad stuff that could
and may well happen. Now, let's look at the positive
side of how things could actually turn out.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Okay, their league fourmust fifteenth. We have to assume that
at some point they're going to put together a run
of games when they get healthy, especially at the best
they're going to start leaking goals and they're going and
they're going to start scoring them at the front. Okay,
they're in the FA Cup.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Maybe they get a result against Villa, who knows, they
get into anfield and Liverpool playing in all these competitions
and who knows, maybe they get a result there.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
All they need is a draw to go through to Wembley.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And as Age says, he gets trophies in a second season,
and perhaps that's the case in Europa League. If they
get the results against Hoffenheim and Elfsberg, they waltz right
into the final eight and they're sitting well in at
least two competitions, maybe three, but at least the one
that they want the most, and that's at this point,
and that's and that's the Carling Cup. Is where they said,
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I know you, you would say Europa League is probably preferred,
but it comes it comes down to whether or not
in this microcosm of the season is a trophy going
to happen. So they have a chance for that. So
I've just painted you glass half full and half empty.
And it seems like the fan base, it seems like
the fan base is kind of torn right now. On Ange,
but the board even after sacking Conte when he was
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fourth in the table or fifth in the table, and
Marinho when he was like sixth or seventh in the table.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well Conte, yeah, but go ahead, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
But well we know his rant obviously led to his
dismissal and he.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Was yes, he was, no, it was.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It was a mutiny on the bounty kind of situation.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
So do you sit in the glass half full camp
or half empty camp? Because right now, Brett, you look
at your next five or six games, Hoffenheim, Elsberg, you
play Lester and Brentford in the league. You play Lester
at home. Should be a win, but who knows, Lester
have some poor form.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Should we should have beat Everton?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah, you should have been at Everton.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, with that squad, they should have beat him.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
And I think if the second, if the second goal comes,
maybe a little bit sooner, perhaps you get a point
out of that game. Because Everton, when they let that
first goal in, it was all Tattenham from then on out.
I mean it was it.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Was a one way slope pitch down to the Everton net.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
So they play those two European games against Hoffenheim and Elsberg,
they play those two Premier League games against lester and
at Brentford, which could be tricky, although Liverpool just went
there and overcame almost a nil nil by scoring two
goals late. And then they had the two cup ties,
one mid week against Liverpool and then on super Bowl
Sunday they play Aston Villa. So I think by Super
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Bowl Sunday we're gonna have a very very good idea
of where this Tottenham team sits. And I think then
and only then is when you can make a decision
on the manager.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Do you agree and where do you sit when it
comes to half full or half empty?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I'm going to give a nuanced answer to that because
I don't think it's just all one or all the
other things. I'm I suppose glass half full. About first,
I don't think any other manager in the world, Pep, anybody,
you name it, with this crisis could do anything. Could
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they do slightly? Could they grind out more?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
You know?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Nil nil results probably you know, and we're talking about
instead of you know, the fifteen points or twenty three
points or whatever Spurs have. I don't even know if
the top of my head they have twenty four. Maybe
you bump that twenty four to twenty seven. You know
what I mean, from getting a few more draws. Whoop
the do you know? I don't think sacking Ande does
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anything at this point in time. I just don't think
it does. And I mean I'm looking at the timelines
right now. I mean Brnan Johnson doubtful, Romero late January
twenty twenty five with a muscle injury. Ow Doggy are
starting left back late February twenty twenty five, hamstring so
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lanky knee injury early March twenty twenty five Forrester are
backup keeper doubtful, the Carrio early March twenty twenty five,
the fraction ankle or Van deven hamstring injury late twenty
twenty five, Benton Kirk concussion late January twenty twenty five.
Timo Werner who doesn't even score half, not half the
time and ninth of the time he's out with the
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hamstring injury late January twenty twenty five. I remember William Odebert,
remember him, who has seen him play like twice. He's
got a hamstring injury late or mid February twenty twenty five.
Having the attacking option that can win one on one
that'd be great right now, Basuma, he's having scans on
guess what his hamstrings. That's probably gonna be another three
or four weeks right there. I think Bran Johnson is
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another three or four weeks too. So I just named
like three or four attackings. The four out of the
back five of you count the keeper, count the keeper.
That's six of the back five. You know what I mean?
That are out. It's just we got Ben Davis back though,
thank god. I just don't think that anyone else in
the world you name him, could do any better besides
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getting two or three more points from draws because they
sit back in a low block and no one wants
to see that. Obviously, I want to see that more relegation,
but regardless, So that's where I'm kind of half full on,
and I still fully believe that with a healthy team
like we saw last year. Now granted they had more
older death last year. There's another point is that they
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had the hoy Beers and the Skips. Now are they great? No,
but we don't have any older veteran depth right now
because getting to my glass half empty point, the board
has not I mean, this is Pochettino, don't sign anyone
in a window level backing that he's seeing right now,
and all everything I see linked is eighteen year olds.
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They have no business like, they haven't signed a single
outfield player and this squad is decimated. To me, this
is purely on Levy and and the board and the spending.
It's just ridiculous. You see Chelsea signing guys right now,
you see man City signing guys to support, and like,
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I hate the big club narrative with the burning passion.
I really hate the big club narrative. But if we
want to be a big club, this is small club
activity that's happening right now is the backing.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
And I just.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Think that if you know and just gonna. I think
another reason that he's staying is because of his the
way that he's like, well, still on me and I've
still got to do. Like he's not just throwing the
board under the bus like every other manager probably should,
because they deserve it and I am too. I think
that is a part of that. They know that he's
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willing to fall on the sword for them basically, so
they're keeping him around anyways. I don't know, I just
don't think it would change anything. I really don't you
maybe get a result or too for a new manager
bounce and that's it. So I think the board needs
to be fully yet blame and Levy for not spending
and not helping him.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I don't think it solves anything by sacking him now.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I just think it would cause and more and more
chaos and throw more logs kind of onto the fire
that is burning right now. And I think they kind
of need to cool down the temperature by perhaps getting
a result here this week in Europe and secure their
place in that top eight, because that's.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
A competition that obviously, I mean, they can finish. They
can finish sixteenth in the league this year, and if
they win Europa League, they'll be playing Champions League football
next year. Correct, So it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I mean Chelsea finished, I don't know eleventh, had won
the Champions League, whatever the case may be. But so
in those competitions, one doesn't have anything to do with
the other. But but the Premier League is the bread
and butter bread and that's kind of what people are
complaining about when it comes to their Premier League form.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
They're not they're not getting results.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
And even what you said here before you chime in, Basically,
you know, I don't care what you know, not that
you don't care what happens, because obviously you want to
see them win every game, but you don't care as much.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
I think is what you are trying to get across because.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Because these results, I mean, yeah, is it going to
matter if we finish ninth or thirteenth basically at this
point because it looks I don't think we're going to
finish fifteenth. So is it a matter of oh, we're
gona finish nineth We're gonna finish thirteenth. Does it really
matter at this point?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And I hope it don't get relegated. That's what I
hope for.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I understand, I understand that, and men you fans also
have that have that thought as well. But I think
both clubs have too much talent considering the fact that
the three relegated sides are the three ones that are
probable to go back down at this point.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Another thing I wanted to point out with the Everton
match is and gets a lot of flak from from
the anjout crowd about not changing his tactics. Oh, he's
very stubborn and he only does things a certain way.
Guess what happened against Everton played a back three, and
and you know what he said. He said he was
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asked about it, why did you change formation? Because oh
it changed it didn't work out. Well, why did he change?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
You know?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Two years he never changes well, which is not true.
That's I could get into more of that later. He
does tweak things and change things, but overall it's it's
the same formation, the same ideas with different tweaks, but
changes to a back three doesn't work and he gets
reamed for for change. It was just brilliant. So but
then what he said in the presser was, I've got
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eleven fit players. Gotta gotta get them all out there somehow.
So here, that's the way we could do it is
to play a back three. You have, Well, it was
Spence Poro, Davis Dragastein who was very bad. And there
was one other defender that I'm forgetting that was out
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there as well.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Archie Gray, Archie Archie Grave.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, so you've got eleven fit players, what do you
want him to do? You know you got It's just
I truly don't think that it's being correctly stated. How
much like this is like next, like Newcastle last year. Like,
to me, this is like next level injury And is
that on his training or the training staff or blah
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blah blah.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Who knows, but yeah, and it seems like he's only
got what like four first team five first team regulars
to pick from if he had his entire squad to
pick from. So it's it's been a dance that we've
done basically for two months now.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I mean, it's the same discussions that we have weekend
week at and I'm sure it is tiresome to listen
to from your end, listener, I'm talking to you that
it is from Brett's end, from talking to everybody about it.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
So how are we going to change it? The question
is what are the solutions? And I I.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Think I think that they.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Lie within, but I do think you're right that they
do that they could use an outfield player, especially up front.
I mean, you look at the most used players that
Ange has played this year, Poro and Slanky, those are
the two guys that have longed the most minutes for
them this year. Year.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
It's so good.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
What do you what do you put on the fixture
list being so congested this year?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Because if you look at last year, right, you were
out of the f A Cup very early.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Oh no, you're out of the Caravell Cup early.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
They lost They lost to Fulham in the first.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
There was an early exit from one of the cups.
There was, there was there was another exit from a cup.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I don't remember how we lost the FA Oh I
remember how we lost in the f A Cup to
freaking man City at home because they open ice body
checked the cario out of the way and it was
the foul.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
It's just ridiculous. Anyways, the rich get richer. But nevertheless,
you were as you are this year. This year, as
we discussed in our in our first little sequence there
when I talked about last half full or half empty,
you have all these competitions you're alive in.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You know, yes, the Premier League, but there's four competitions
you're playing at at this point.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Forget about competing in you're playing in four. You have
to play those eighteen games or whatever, seventeen games that
are left in the Premier League. You at least have
one more in the in the Carabo Cup, you at
least have one more in the FA Cup, and you're
going to have many more in Europe.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Hopefully for your sake. So by that point when the
when the fixture list I think kind of squeezes up again.
Hopefully your squad will be healthier. But last year finishing
fifth and not having to play all those games, do
you think that the number of games this year has
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also factored into why they've performed so poorly.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
It's a factor for sure. I'm here to tell you though,
ladies and boys and girls, welcome to being a big club.
You know what I mean. If you want to be
a big club, you got to play those fixtures. That's
just how the game is. Every other big club's doing
it so and I think it goes back to the board.
I think they got rid of myself included called for
the deadwood to go. We need to get rid of
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Hoyber and Eric Dyer and you know, because he's dire
in defense, I could go down the list right of
just like, get rid of these guys that have been
here forever that are no good. And they did that
and they made their money, and then they what did
we get? Because the idea is you get rid of
the deadwood and you use that money to then go
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and get new players that fit the now Bergwall is blossoming.
Is he the guy that you're going to play every
minute of every game at this point in his career
right now? Probably not. You know, Archie Gray is going
to blossom at some point. We weren't expecting to playing
at center back every minute of every game, you know
what I mean. So they didn't really replace them with
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ready made guys for this season right now. That doesn't
mean that Archie and Lucas are going to be bad players,
because I think they're going to be good players. But
you can't. It's just gross and competence from the board
because now you have more games. If anything, there should
have been more depth this season than there was last
season because of those you know, fixtureless and the tight fixtures.
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And by the way, last thing, at the beginning of
the season, I was moaning about the international breaks. I'm like, God,
can we just play some football for God's sake? Like,
do we have to have international break? Now I'm on
the corner with my mug just shaking around the change.
Is there an international break? Can we please have an
international break? Any form of break? We need to get healthy,
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Like I where can we and now there's none?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
There's none. As far as the.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Eye can see. So it is what it is. It's
just it's Spurs, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
So well, it is Spurs.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
And you know who does get a break though, Brett,
you know which club does get a break?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Who's that?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
That's Arsenal. You know why because they got knocked out
of the FA Cup so they won't be on FA
Cup weekend. They got dumped out by Manchester United.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Not everyone can beat man United in a cup competition
this season. Not everyone can. It was ken very.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Very disappointing to see them kicked out of that competition.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
But just overall, Arsenal have not been firing all on
all cylinders.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And there's been some blowback here with the manager, which
I'm not exactly sure.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Where it's coming from.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I mean, I get the portion of the fan base
that thinks that this team is peaked, but.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
They have to realize that Socca is so important to
what they do.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
And it is within the council that the window is closing.
Well it is not, it.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Is, it is definitely not closing. U Kayosaka is I
think twenty two or twenty three years old. Odaguard is
like twenty four or twenty five years old. Saliba is
twenty three or twenty four years old.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Either way, your defense against Spurs, the North London Arbie
my god or the good Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
And Gabriel, who everybody's giving flowers now too because of
his set piece achievements, has been a rock star out
there defensively. Forget about him scoring goals. I mean he's
been fantastic when it comes to playing in his own.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Six yard box. I mean just the clearances.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
You can see why they're one of the better defensive
teams in the league. Be that as it may. They
allowed a two nothing lead to slip away to Villa
last weekend, which annoyed me to no end. Villa is
a team that's in the mix for the top four.
They're in Europe. They're a very very good side and
you can't allow them to kind of have a sniff
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at it, and that's what they did with that first goal,
and then they get the second one. Arsenal score late,
but it goes off Kai Havert's arm. I still think
it went off as mid riffs. Nevertheless, Arsenal draw to too.
They're out of the FA c Up, the Carabell Cup.
They're down two nil to Newcastle so it's just kind
of a state of the.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Union here on Arsenal. They're European form is pristine.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I mean, don't get me wrong, I expect a result
against Dinamo Zagreb this week.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
To ask the other member of the council, Zagreb can
be a little bit of a challenge.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Yes, yes, as Chelsea fans would know, but I fully
expect them since the European form has been very good,
I expect them to get the points. They only need
one win in their last two.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Probably to secure that top eight spot to avoid that playoff,
which is what Tottenham want in the Europa League, so
that we can both avoid two legged playoffs that nobody
wants to play. So they're in that kind of as
we do as state of the union here. And they
said second in the Premier League behind Liverpool, tied with
Nottingham Forest of all teams just past the midway point.
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So I'd give them right now a B plus grade
for their season. Brett and I it's it's a mix
of emotions. But right now I can't fault them because
soccer is out, but also I can't kind of absolve
them from blowing into nothing leads. So my mind's in
a lot of places right now with this club, and
maybe you can help decipher it.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Saliba missing the Villa match concerned. I mean Timber is
not bad.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Right, No, he's not. He's he's a good player. They
play him in a lot of different positions. They play
him at center back, they play him at right back,
sometimes they play him in the midfield.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I mean he's going to be a big part of
their future with Thomas Party departing in the summertime, and Timber.
Timber is a good player, it's just the Party was responsible.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
For He's responsible for a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Well, there's that, but he also scored a great goal
against Spurs a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
But nevertheless, well that certainly even things out, doesn't it. Yeah,
sar tongue firmly in cheap there you do. I mean
you've got a little bit of time to get the
form back though, because it means the grab all jokes
aside because Chelsea lost him like what two years ago,
and then Wolves that should Wolves are not a good
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football club, the fan has learned. And then you get
Yourna Girona. Youirona Girona on the road in Champions League.
All of that build up to then host the Champions
man City right, which which we all know will be
a one to one or a nil nil game, even
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though I think the last time they played it was
actually a good game. I think Calfiory had like a
banger of a goal, so yes.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I believe it was. Believe it wound up to two
if I remember.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Correctly, something like that, But yeah, any other to me.
To me, that's the biggest thing is you've got a
little ramp to get to man City and to winnable
games in Champions League. For you guys, even without soccer
and without you, do you feel like the open play
chances have been any better though?
Speaker 4 (24:02):
No, I mean they're one of the worst teams in
the league when it comes to creating chances from open play,
and I think a lot of that has to do
with the various injuries that they've had. But again that's
not an excuse for the players that go in there.
They should be able to perform better.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
But when you see Odigar go out for a long
period of time and then you see Socca go out
for a long period of time and they're not playing together,
those two work very very well together. Down that right
flank and Martinelli. Yes, he scored a goal, that's great,
but they're moving him all over the pitch. A couple
of years ago he was a budding superstar and his
form has kind of fallen off, so they do have
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some choices up front. Trisard just missed a winning goal
though it probably would have been offside last week.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
But it.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Frustrates me that they're not taking their chances because they're
creating so few of them by the statistics. So when
they do get those chances, they need to take them.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
And that's why they're not higher closer to Liverpool, and
that's really why they didn't get that result against Newcastle
in the Carabo Cup, which I still think that they
can go to Saint James's Park and turn that around.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I do.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Bournuth went up there last week for one, so why
can Arsenal go up there and win.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I would much rather play Newcastle in the final than
you lot, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Oh of course, No, of course, just because of the
I mean the risk of losing of getting your getting
to your first final and however many years and then
losing to Arsenal is not worth the reward of actually
beating Arsenal in a final.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I think just winning the final against Newcastle would be
reward itself, Like, you don't need the risk of going
into the game and having that rain of Yes, what
would it be sweet.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
If they got to it and beat Arsenal. Yeah, it
would be the greatest thing for you ever.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
But it's not worth the risk of going there and
Losing's go there against Newcastle and try and do that,
and if we lose to them, good for them and
good for their fans.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
But I'll be losing Robbie's number for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah. Correct, you would be blocked for a while. If
if you guys beat us in a cup final, that
would be I might not see you for for it
could be two weeks. Just wow, see you later anyways,
Not really. Maybe do you feel like I mean, I
feel like that's really it with Arsenal right now. I
don't feel like there's a they're they're hanging around. They
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they're not in like world beating form, but they're not
like in like, oh my god, sound the alarms form either.
I think they're just kind of hanging around until soccer
gets back. So there's much to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
They have to stem the tide. You you put it
succinctly there.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
They have to they have to hold form and they
really have to kind of hold their place.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Is the league out of reach I'm not.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I'm not gonna say that yet because there's way too
many games to go now. If there were nine or
ten games to go and they were still seven, six
or seven behind, then potentially, but there's still double that
amount left even more, and they still have to play
Liverpool once, so I'm not ruling that out. And Liverpool
almost just dropped two points at Brentford over the weekend.
They were nil nil until the ninetieth minute and they
got rescued late. So again, but that's what champions do
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they they get late.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Winners like that.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
So speaking of Liverpool, you know who just drew Liverpool
last week, won one and are still continuing to win
over and over and over again. Nottingham Forrests just won't
go away. Chris Wood has freaking fourteen league goals this year.
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
There.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
They're unbeaten in their last eight matches. It's their longest
streak in the top division since nineteen ninety five. I'm
not going to say that this is a Lester like
run because Lester won the damn League, and I still don't.
I don't think there's a universe where that happens. For Forrest.
I just this season, there's just no way that can happen.
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But I still don't think there's a way that they
get the top four. I think eventually it has to
run out eventually, but I can't say that every single week.
And then they keep winning.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
They just keep winning.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
They don't stop.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Their last like handful of games, Everton, a team that's
perch beaten but would talk about that later, beat them.
Wolve's bad team, they beat them, They played Luton beat them,
they drew to Liverpool who probably probable champions, and they
beat a Southampton team three too. I'm just they just
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keep winning and I don't. I just can't wrap my
head around why it's happening. And I don't know. Maybe
I need to just watch more Forest and figure it out,
because what is Nuno cracked? You know that anyone else?
I just don't. I don't get it, but they keep winning,
so I can't rip them. They keep winning well.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
They have an excellent goalkeeper in Cells who may get
the Golden Glove this year.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
I mean he's been just as really.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Fantastic, made a lot of great plays out at short
stop this.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
They have a lot of other good players too, bred
I mean Anthony gives White, I mean Chris Wood as
you mentioned up front, I mean Brooks, and they unreal.
They have a very very solid squad.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
And again this is this is not a small club, Okay,
this is a club that had been in Europe, has
have has had some European glory before.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
You'll let's do it together. You'll never sing that. You'll
never sing that champions of Europe. You'll never sing that.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Yeah, I get that. I get that all the time.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
But forrest now, let you know to their to their.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Credit, have been absolutely fantastic this season, and I think
that they have a legitimate chance to finish top four.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I don't think that this is a fluke anymore. I
think that they are here to stay.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
And right now, if you ask me gun to gun
to your head, do they finish top four, I'm gonna
say yes.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Just due to the ash, I don't have the button
bar seas of clubs like Chelsea and man City and
Newcastle who just dropped a four to one loss to
Bournemouth over the weekend, and teams like Bournemouth who were
in the mix, I can see.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I can see.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Farth nipping fourth or fifth if potentially they award that
fifth spot to the Premier League.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
So I'm gonna predict right, are in Europe next year?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I think in Europe is pretty safe for them. I
think that's a safe but I don't know if it's
Champions League, Okay, don't know, but yeah, you have to
see through the forest, through the trees with that.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
And drum rolls here correct and the button bar unfortunately
is closed.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, that would be a uha joke for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I hated getting that never mind be as as it
may that AHA drop, but you gave it to me
and uh well sometimes we're.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Deserving of the aha last week.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
So yeah, what do you think of Arling Holland? Speaking
of Man City? Uh huh uh nine and a half
year contract with Man City. He is committed through twenty
thirty four, which is not really there.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I don't think that that will ever see the end
of his deal there. He'll want He's gonna wind up
in Spain halfway.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Through this deal.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
That's that's Is that right? You know what I don't get,
and I mean this could go This is kind of
another tangent. I just I don't understand, Like like Tren
Alexander Arnold right boyhood Liverpool. I think boyhood Liverpool fan.
I know he's he is a Scouser and like, oh,
I've done all there is to do here, so I'm
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going to Real Madrid. Like to I get, you get
the trophies. I think we've had this conversation on the
pot before I get you get the trophies. I get
all that, you get the glory and they're the best
team in the world and you play in a fantastic stadium.
But it's just like the league is such a formality
down there, you know what I mean, Like, I just
don't see the glory in winning La Laga because it's
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just everyone anyone who goes down there to Real Madrid
does it.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
I think if you're Tron Alexander Arnolds, it's a new challenge.
I think kind of that's.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
What challenge is there. There's no challenge there. I'm gonna
waltz to a Champions League.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Oh boy, I'm going to a foreign country. I'm playing
for one of the best clubs in the world. I
think that I am one of the best players in
the world. So I'm going to play for the most
prestigious club in Europe and they want me, well, I'm
going to go play for them. I've done all that
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I can do here. I've won Champions Leagues. I've won leagues,
I've won Cups, I've won this, I've won that. I've
won everything there is to win here at my home
town club. Now I'm going to take my talents to Madrid.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
And I don't bounce the South beach.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I don't. I don't blame him one bit. Now, if
he was going to uh like Dubai or like like Ronaldo,
did I mean just to make their league legitimate?
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I mean that would then that would bring alarm bells
for me. But no, I don't going.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I just don't understand it.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
It's just like there's no challenge in it. There's no
why is there no?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Why is there no challenging If Barcelona is still in
the league, at Atletico Madrid is still a good team, Uh,
you have obviously within that. How about the Champions League?
Did you do you do you know where Real Madrid
is in the Champions League table right now.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Off the top of my head, I did not know
they sit.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Just outside of teams that are are are eliminated.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I believe they're in like eighteenth or nine teeth place
in the table something.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Like they are in, which is twentieth twentieth exactly. Yeah, yes,
so again nobody you know, three wins, three losses for
Real Madrid.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
You know they're just gonna just go there.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
They need him, just goes to show you they need him.
I mean, he's a fantastic player, don't get I mean
he he's not the best defender, but I mean going forward,
he's one of the best, if not uh the best
in the Premier League, in maybe the world.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Going back, going back to Arling Holland. Though you think
he's gonna be in Spain, but just men city in general,
like Foden starting to score goals. Now, I don't know,
objects in the mirror could be closer than they appear.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, yeah, they're starting to put stuff together. Listen, they
went on a ten or twelve game.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
A matter of time where they just i mean couldn't
get any results. I mean it wasn't even dross, I
mean it was it was lost after loss after law
and City after years of just stacking up wins and
just kind of unbeaten runs forget wins. Just to see
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that many l's pile up, it's just mind boggling. So
you knew that they were always going to get it together,
and they have and they're definitely a threat for the
top four.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
One thing, as we wrap up, there's two teams in
the Big six that we have not touched on yet.
One of them plays Man City this Saturday. That is Chelsea.
They win again. They look dominant three to one against Wolves,
as you would expect. They do drop points to Bournemouth
at home, but Bournemouth is kind of having a sneakily
good season as well. Yeah, this to me is a
(35:45):
big This is a measuring stick game on Saturday with
Chelsea and man City. Of all right, you're both vying
for top four. Chelsea look like they're in better overall
form this season, but man City might be a little
more hotter going into it. So this to me could
be a bell to bell game.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Oh, I'm fascinated by it. I think both teams will
be up for it. I think the way City are playing,
I think Chelsea now kind of boosted by their three
to one win over Wolves to getting back on track
after they had gone winless in a few games. I
think they're going to be ready to roll for a
hot city team.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
So I'm not going to predict this one way or
the other, but I do think there's going to be
some goals and I think it's going to be action
packed as both teams really try and fight for the
top four and try and stay within touching distance of Liverpool,
because I think with a win by either side they
can claim that they're still right in this title race,
especially if Liverpool don't pick up full points over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Ten thousand votes on Footbomb of who will win, fifty
two of the vote going to Chelsea to win. That
last team that we need to mention to get all
the boxes ticked for the Big six is a team
currently in thirteenth and the table with twenty six points
who had just lost to Brighton three to one. I
believe Ameron said that maybe the worst play in Man
(37:10):
United history right now, the worst team. Yeah, not good,
twenty six points, twenty two matches they're selling they're getting
rid of. I mean Rashford is going to go if
he hasn't already gone and I haven't seen it yet.
I mean this, to me, this is this is a
different type of disaster from Spurs because Spurs have a
(37:31):
project that have just I mean called an excuse all
you want, call me a fraud, all you want. I
think injuries is like eighty five percent of the problems,
you know, maybe eighty percent. This to me is just
just bad form and a mess of a club, you
know what I mean. Like they they're spending money, they
just don't know what to do with it, and they're
they're in this weird like gray area where they're trying
(37:55):
to rebuild and change the way they play, but not
at the same time. It's just to me, this is
a different Spurs and United are both gross and competence,
but I think it's two different flavors of the same dish,
so to speak.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Well, United, I think I think their main issue is
is the players. I do not think it's the manager.
I just think their squad. I just think their squad
isn't good enough.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
I just think that the player recruitment has been so poor,
whether it be and and these are marginal players I mean,
I mean, I mean Hoyland Garte, I mean MASRAWI I mean,
they bought Harry Maguire for a record British fee and
he stinks.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
I mean, it's just it's just, it's just he I mean,
their squad is that gets you going, okay, So it's
just their Their squad to me is just And then
you look back and one of their all time greats
who uh you and I did not have the pleasure
of seeing a player named Dennis Law passed away this
(39:00):
past week for Manchester United, and they did a lot
of tributes for him at the stadium. They had a
lot of the old Manchester United players there, the greats
Robson and Lewin and all the all the players of yesteryear.
And you look at the squad now and they're not
a lot of them aren't fit to wear the United shirt.
(39:21):
I mean, And to your point about Rashford going anywhere,
he's not because he's on three hundred pounds away three
hundred thousand pounds wages and nobody's gonna pay that. So
you know, Arsenal has sniffed around it and then they
realized the wage scale that's not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
So you know, he makes a ton of money. You know,
his star was bright at one point, but he's gonna
have to tough it out there until he probably goes abroad.
I think that manager, I think he knows what he's doing.
I mean, he didn't just turn into a bad manager
when he came over from winning titles in Portugal. I
mean they clearly, you know, had the wrong guy when
it came to ten Hog and they're dealing with some
(39:59):
of his players, is like Anthony, who's terrible.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
And I just think it's it's a very very long rebuild.
I think it's a longer rebuild that what than what
you lot have, because at least the Spurs have the
makings of you know, those young players where oh wow,
we've seen flashes from Bernfal, we've seen Mikey Moore.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
And that against Liverpool was like I mean.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Yeah, yeah, no, yeah no, that was no of course
that was that was after he should after he should
have been sent off. But that's the debate that we
maybe maybe, but that doesn't matter. How he wasn't and
he scored. Mikey Moore another another young kid who another
upset when he gets taken off, but he had the
(40:46):
beautiful feed into Charleston for the second goal uh in
the game against Everton. So these players aren't ready made,
but they may be in a couple in a couple
of years time. And that's what I think the fan
base is hoping for. In you United's case, these are
players that were brought in to compete. Now, I mean
Tan Hawk want to he won a trophy, so they
(41:08):
were at least good enough to get through a cup
competition to at least bring bring that home. But as
as long as I can remember this, this United stiate
has been in the mud and I don't know when
they're when they're going to come out of this malaise
because five six, seven years it's been and they just
they just haven't been up to it.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, I agree, I don't I don't know when it's
going to happen, but yeah, they they're just in a
state of disarray, I feel. And the new stadium is coming,
it's like, I don't know, it's we'll see what happens
with them, but my expectations are very low for them,
and I don't think they're going to help out very
much with that coefficient number in Europe when they like
(41:52):
Rangers at home that they could lose that game. Yeah,
they could lose that game. So anyways, I think we've
covered all of our bases. We've got my Spurs stuff
out of the way, and I think we've touched on
the Big Six.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
So yeah, no, no, absolutely, and as Spurs and Arsenal
go along, we will continue to cover it here on
the London Club Council. We'll be back next week as
we recap the weekend of action as Tottenham take on Leicester,
Arsenal take on Wolves. Hopefully six points for both of
our clubs and we'll talk to you next time. For
(42:25):
Brett Blake Moore, I'm Robbie Rosenhales here on the London
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