November 11, 2024 • 30 mins
Welcome to the London Club Council! The FAN's Brett Blakemore and Robbie Rosenhaus are opposing fans in England's biggest rivalry. They react to both their clubs feeling down, especially Spurs, going into the international break.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
We're at it again. Welcome to another meeting of the
London Club Council. Now representing Tottenham Hotspit in this corner
we do have Brett Blakemore and repping Arsenal is Robbie Rosenhaus.
So boys, let the banter begin.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Welcome into another edition of the London Club Council with
Brett Blake Moore. My name is Robbie Rosenouse representing Tottenham
and Arsenal. And it wasn't the best of weeks for
either club as we head in to a two week
international break, and before we get to the troubles of
Tottenham and we get to why Tottenham for some reason
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have been now known as doctor Tottenham on social media
and it's been a long time certain in certain in
certain fan bases. I want to get to the premiere
match of the Premier League of the weekend and that
is Arsenal and Chelsea. As Arsenal have now gone four
matches without a winning the Premier League, they draw one
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to one against Chelsea.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
The game helps neither one really in the standings. Yes,
they sit both.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Third and fourth, but both of those teams definitely wanted
to come out with three points.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Neither one does. It was a spirited match, It was
a lively match.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Obviously both teams had tons of chances, Brett, but we
can kind of pinpoint them, you know, one by one
Gusto early, Havertz or Tressard late on that one cross.
But overall I thought it was a stalemate and I
thought it was a point earned by both teams, not
two points dropped.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Well, I would disagree with some of that.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
I feel like I've seen this game a thousand times
where it's at the bridge, each team kind of huffs
and puffs, but no one.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Really does anything and it ends up being a one.
I think it was.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Was it last year where it was like the long
goal from Rice at like midfield to end up making
that one?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I think?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
But I just feel like this is a game that
I see every time these two clubs play, especially at
the bridge. I feel like it's a game where it's
just bound to be a draw, which at least that
I was right about in my predictions, at least in
the group shat because we missed a week of the pod.
I mean, if you look at the XG, if you're
an x G person, it's one point five to five
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versus one point five to four is the is the
XG spread A tenth of a point of XG separates
the two clubs according to that. Whether you believe in
that or not is up to you. But that, to me,
I think illustrates the A. It was even and B
there wasn't really much in the game either because both
of them only deserved the right all in the half.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Right, but the But the big picture though, and just again,
this game is so early in the season and we'll
look back later in the season as to whether or
not this drop two points where either side affects either
one in their chase for top four or lo and
behold the title. But on the big picture aspect of it,
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and just kind of getting to we'll go, I'm going
to give you an Arsenal kind of topic and then
I want to go to a broader kind of Arsenal
slash Chelsea topic. Arsenal for me, this year have not
had the same They haven't had the same creative kind
of where.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
With all in the final third.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
A lot of that has to go with Odegard being
out for the last month, and I get that, but
still there hasn't I mean, Hards has scored some goals,
but I mean out of that last international break, you know,
after they beat Southampton in front of my own two eyes,
they have come out and not won a game since.
And they've gone to Bournemouth and loss. Yes, they've they've
they've drawn some some good sides like Chelsea and Liverpool, but.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
It just seems like the.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Spark is missing and I'm not sure exactly how to
get it back.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Yeah, I mean, that's that was the big point I
was going to make. Since you were in London October fifth,
it is now November eleventh, eleven to eleven. Make a wish,
and what you're wishing for is just three points in
one Premier League match, because since October fifth they haven't
gotten a single one.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Now you win in the chase.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Not only that, you have one win in the Champions
League against shak Tar, which wasn't I think admittedly not
your best game, but you won, and then away at
Preston which that you just rolled.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
That was a good rule.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Well of course, but yeah, but that was expected, right.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Correct, So they're really the form has not been there,
and then the loss to Newcastle as well.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
It's just the form is not there.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
I mean, you know, your favorite Arsenal fan Lee is
calling for Michel's head that he should go.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
So obviously there's frustration because you're.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
So used to the way that Arsenal in the past
two or three years has been. Anything that you're favorite
to win, you go in and typically win. You do
not drop points very often, and that's why you were
able to compete with City Moron City later. But for
whatever reason that I don't know if it's the injuries
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or the spark or the desire. I mean, if you
go down the list of sports cliches and adjectives, but
something's missing there for the Gunners, and I think it's
pretty obvious.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And if you compare the two sides on Sunday, Arsenal
and Chelsea, and you see that this is basically, you know,
the second year of a project, and the first year
really under this new manager, but second year really under
where they've gotten all these players. And you look at
the this is the fifth year that Ourtet has been there.
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You know, there wasn't that big a golf in the
two sides on Sunday. You know, if you look at it,
you know there just wasn't. I mean, it was a
pretty even game and you know, if you want to
look at the measuring stick as to you know, at
one point this year, you know, in October or late September,
Arsenal were title favorites. I mean, they were actual favorites
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to win the Premier League and people predicted the win
that permit, as did I.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
So I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Even a shot at you. That's just a fact.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Again again again, and they and they very well may,
but right now it does not look like that is
going to be the case. But you look at the
table from third to thirteenth, it's separated by four points.
I mean, Chelsea and Manchester United are separated by four
points and that's third to thirteenth, and Tottenham and Arsenal
are right in the mix there. But going back to
Chelsea for a second, like you know, just comparing them
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to what Arsenal is doing, like they they're in only, like,
like I said, their second year of trying to figure
all this out, and they seem to have found their
way getting results, scoring goals, you know, kind of shoring
it up at the back, and you know they haven't
been allowing three four goals like they had been, and
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they've been they've obviously been scoring so you know, it's
a really nice goal. You and I were watching together
that Neto scored. Yeah, they could have had one or
two others. But you know, Chelsea, you're heading in the
right direction. Are personal right now? Are still headed in
the right direction. It's just it just it feels like
they've hit a wall. And I think at some point
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and at some point they're going to start racking up
points against bad teams again because they've played some you know,
I listen, you can get on them for Bourne menth
and that's that's all well and good. And that was
just a terrible, terrible game.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Didn't show up. No, it's just bad, very palace. They
just didn't show up.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Well, they went down to ten men, but that that
didn't help either. But again the but they you know
and gary Neville, people like Gary Neville expect them to
get points when they go down to ten men, Like
I just don't like what like you're gonna you're gonna
call a hockey game and expect just because you know,
the while they're playing the Sharks that just because they're
they're shorthanded, you know, eric and 's gonna go down
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and score a goal every time, you know, when he's
on the penalty kill.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
I mean, counterpoint.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
And there's plenty to criticize about my club, which we'll
do momentarily, and I'm gonna rip them, so don't worry.
But we went down ten men in the Europa League
against somebody who had forgot who even who they are,
Cara Bag I think, and still won three nil.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Well there's that, yeah, but yeah, but but Cara backs.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
A little different, a little different.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
A lot different, because Carabac is not a Premier League side.
Come on, yeah, I mean even even the worst cup
in the Premier League is still is still a top
twenty club in England.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Be that as it may.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Arsenal have not gotten the results Chelsea have, and right
now they sit tied in the table and they sit
third and fourth and they sit right behind. Before we
get into your club, Manchester City, who we should mention
briefly here as we put it off. The Arsenal Chelsea game.
Another bad result for City. They lose two to one
to Brighton, and Brighton, as we've as we've discussed numerous
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times in this podcast, or a team that will pop
up and get you, they got Arsenal a couple of
years ago that ended their title dreams. You know they've
gotten you at home, I believe at the Tottenham Stadium
they beat.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You, so sorry, excuse me. Earlier this year they came
back from two nothing in beat you three to two
at their place. So yeah, when I when when I
was in London Brighton, when they when I was.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
In Brighton, yeah, I thought you're talking City.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I was like, huh but yes at the end, yes,
you're right now, I'm back on page.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
No, it's okay. We'll get to him in a couple
of minutes. But back to City. Just it's it's been
quite a stop.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Start for them to start the season, and uh, I
don't know if they have the same spark now. Losing
Rogery is a enormous deal. I mean, he's the best,
you know, he's the he's the ballan door winner. I mean,
so not having him is a big deal. But they
still should have enough to cope with it. And right
now they're not churning out results like they should be.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Well, I actually again, I'll kind of disagree with you
because I don't think it's been stop start for the City.
I think it's been full speed ahead, foot all the
way down on the gas and then just slamming on
the brakes is what's happened. Because they came to Todd
tomots Pers Stadium for thefl Cup, a game that Pep
said he's not going to try and he didn't. He
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didn't bring on Holland when he could have losed that
game to one, which we know, as we know, no
one comes into tottenhahawsper Sadium and gets points, as we know.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Heavy sarcasm for those not aware. But then after that.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Came losing the Bournemouth away in the league in the
Premier League not good, getting crushed battered by Sporting in
the Champions League for one not good, and then losing
to Brighton at the MX. That's four losses in a
row for them. That's unheard of for City and I
get a normal team has these ups and downs, but
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this isn't a normal team and they're used to just
rolling no matter what. And yeah it's for them, this
is a normal team. That would be a catastrop or
that would be a you know, well, we're in a
little bit of a rut right now.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
We've got to find some works and things out for City.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
This is a cataclysmic failure because any points dropped is
another point, another three point.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
It's that Liverpool are going to take. I mean, this is.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Liverpool's it's not we're six weeks out from Christmas, but
it's Liverpool's lead to lose at this point because they
are on fire.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, no, without a doubt in Liverpool off to a
tremendous start under their new manager and you know, City,
you're now playing catch up and that wasn't always the case,
although you know last year they did you know, Chase
Arsenal for most of the season, remember Arsenal had you know,
I believe they had an eight point lead at one point,
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is that right? I believe it was as many as
eight and have to be corrected on that, one of
our loyal listeners would have to go back and correct
and look that up. But yeah, it was a big
lead last year. And now Liverpool right now have have
the lead over the entire table. They have a five
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point lead on City and obviously nine points on the
four teams sitting third through six, which would be Chelsea, Arsenal,
Forest and Brighton. But I think City, you know, have
their work cut out for them and both in the
Champions League. They're not in an enviable spot, just like
Arsenal when they dropped points to uh into Milan last week.
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And you know, neither team's in good form and Liverpool
taken advantage of it. So you know, kudos to them.
They should be favored to win the league. They're playing
the best football, most solids in tremendous form. Alexander Arnold
is a fantastic player, and you know, Andy Robertson, I mean,
they have really really good players. I mean, Lewis Diaz
is fantastic. I mean there's this no no fluke. I
mean they're you know that they're they're really good and
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they are definitely you know, playing playing the system the
way he wants them to play, and he's you know,
he's he's kind of striking a tune from them, as
as you say. But again, the weather is going to
be it's gonna get colder. The fixtures are going to
come fast and furious. I mean you and I have
both discussed that, you know, when it comes to American Thanksgiving,
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that that's when all the fixtures get kind of bunched up.
When we get start getting you know, two games a
week for like a month or six weeks, you know,
whether it be Cups or European games or even sticking
a couple of Boxing Day games in there, things like that.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
So you know things will start to shake out once
we get to the new year.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
But right now Liverpool deserve to be where they are
and full marks to them.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Liverpool this season has lost one game. Can you recall
what game that was? Off the top of your head?
I didn't remember this was it?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
No?
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I can't recall if top my head.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
It's this year's lester. It was one nil at home
to Nottingham Forest.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Okay, and that.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Was all the way back on September fourteenth. They did
not lose before that. They have not lost since. And
not only that. I mean I'm looking at their fixture
lists right now. I'm trying to find draws anywhere they
drew to you, right, other than that, that's their only
other they drew, Yeah, and before that was friendly. So
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they've lost one, they've drawn one. I mean, they're unbelievably
good this year. Obviously I could have just looked at
the table, but I do it the hard way just
because I'm so.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
That's but again, what we talk about too. I mean
it's there.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
It's clearly twenty eight points for Liverpool, twenty three for
City and then everyone else kind of like you said,
three through thirteen, and that includes my club, which I
think is a good transition to tenth. I talked the
entire week my club, that being Tattenham. I talked a
whole week to you guys that if we win and
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some results go our way, we're gonna be third in
the table going into the international break and we get
ipswitch at home.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
What just a layup for us? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (14:49):
We get a relegation side at home, which our home
form has been great this year. I mean, even against
you guys at our place, I still think the performance
was pretty good. The only real duds we had were
all Away, Palace Away, Coventry away, Those are real duds.
But home has been really good. And then everything works
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out in our favor exactly. The results that I wanted
to happen happened. Villa lost, Forrest lost, you guys drew,
Even though that was after the game, everything was lining
up for Spurs that the door was wide open and
all we had to do was just Vince McMahon walk
through the door right and then you know our are
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seawan to go further into the wrestling, but our Shawn
Michael's cape gets caught in the ramp and we fall back.
Can we slam our heads and get a concussion? That's
just pure Spurs right there. And I hate spursy. I
hate the word.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I think it sucks.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
I think anytime we lose a match and it's called spursy,
it pisses me off.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
If I had gun to my head. What is spursy?
It is this, It is the door is wide open.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
All you have to do is walk through against a
bad team and you find a way to lose.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
That is Spurs.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Not conceding goals at the end of a game, not
giving up a two goal lead. That to me, that
happens to every club. Sure it may happen to us
a little bit more, but the confluence of events that
I mean, think about this and I can get more
into x's and o's, but think about this.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Let's say we do win that game.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Let's say we come back and win three to two
and it's ugly, doesn't matter, we get three points. This
is the talking point as a Spurs fan. We're third
in the prem We're in the quarterfinals of the care
About Cup. We're in a playoff bid or a playoff
by in Europa League. Life is good at that? I mean,
what are we missing here? And there's still stats if
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I want to go Homerism on it and say, oh,
we're the we're the Premier League scoring leaders right now,
we're scoring more goals than anyone and blah.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Again the game. It sucks and the game was terrible.
They didn't Is there of anything out of it? Shameful
defending I everyone is once again scapegoing Brenton Johnson for
one of the goals. Personally, I think it's on the
center backs for not even being in the six yard box,
but that's called me crazy.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
It just.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
And the international break too. Is weird that this is
the seventh straight loss going into an international break for Spurs.
So I don't know if they just they're already on
the plane to Argentina. I don't know, but something's got
to change. And fell on the sword. He didn't pull
a conte, which I appreciated, even though he probably doesn't
mean it. He's probably just falling. I mean, don't you
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think he's just that's defending the players, you know, like he's.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Hey, you know what, you can't throw the players on
the buzz after they go before they go on vacation
for two weeks. And we talked about the match, and
we talked about certain players and how you know, Son
was hit or miss. I thought he was a little
better than you thought.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
And you I was not a fan of Son.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
You did not I love Son.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
He was bad.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
He was bad.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Okay, Well, here's the one question I have for you
in terms of the the substitutions. Yeah, Werner, not Pursuma, really,
I mean that one didn't make too much sense to me.
I just I understand bringing him on for you know, try.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
And get paid and yeah, getting.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
An attacker and try and get somebody, you know, because
the wingbacks just were kind of bottled up for most
of the game. So I thought maybe bringing on Persuma
and trying to play into the middle of the middle
of the park and trying to get something down the
middle perhaps would have worked. But that's not what they did.
They brought on Werner. I mean, he had one chance
that he fired into the you know, eighteenth row, so
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which he's in, which he's known to do so. And
I'm not gonna this isn't a Timo Werner bash fest.
This is just a more of a kind of a
I thought that they would bring on Pursuma because I
think he could have provided a little bit more control
in midfield, maybe a little bit more steel, and perhaps
gotten you kind of a gritty.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Goal rather than you know, one of those you know,
anwall goals.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
There were times where I think it was a game
against Villa where he took off Sonny at halftime. And
by the way, I made a great montage for that
week that never got to be never, never was heard
because I was on top of the world. And now
naturally when I'm back to the you know, the the.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Gallows were we're recording again. That's just how that goes. Whatever.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
I'm not gonna say it's a conspiracy, but I'll let
you draw your own conclusions.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Timo Werner, is.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
You better get used to conspiracy theories now?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I know, well before I get to this team of point.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
So he brings on he takes off Sonny at like
the sixty minute mark, and everyone's like, what is Ange doing?
But it works and he's a genius you know what
I mean, Oh, what a great play.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
We all doubted him.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
What a genius, and this time he kind of waits
for the subs and he's an idiot.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Why isn't he taken? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (19:53):
The subs I could have been earlier. You know, Basuma
and Madison on in the eighty fourth minute, a little late,
but you know, I going into a break and you've
got injuries. No Mikey Moore. There's a couple other players,
no Oda Bear, that were not on the bench for
bench options. So I kind of get that. But here's
my thing too about Timo. He's got his flaws.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Temo to me is like he's like have you ever
met someone that.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Like collects old cars and there's one that's like really
broken down and when you when you hit the gas,
it kind of makes like a weird noise and you're like, yeah,
it's not perfect, but like does the job, you know,
I mean, it's it's my old car.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
That's kind of how I feel about Timo, Like I'm
well aware of the flaws a Timo burner. We can
pick an all day long about how he can't finish,
he can't hit the broad speedboat with no brains. But
like at the end of the day, it's like, yeah,
but it's tema, you know, like it's just he's got
a lot of pacing.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Put a cross in. So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
I think for a depth option off the bench in
this eightieth minute, I think it's fine.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
But that's maybe I had my expectations and my too low.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Maybe that Brad that was nitpicking.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
We can look at the big picture, and that is
that Tottenham did not put in an effort worthy of
what their fans played in the first half and the
second half it was too little, too late. Now Selanky
had the chance late, he possibly could Yeah, that was
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he could have. He could have got more on it, you.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Know, well the VR one.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Well the VAR one also, But I'm talking about late
when he when he had the chance. I mean, he
gets himself at the good positions. You know, he's been
playing better. But he did go through that streak where
he didn't score for I mean, I don't know how long,
but it was a very long time. But now it
seems like he's finding his way and he's getting more chances.
But overall, I mean I can't be any more disappointed.
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If I was you with with that effort against a
bad team at home, going into a two week low.
It just puts you in a bad mood. It puts
the fan base in a bad mood. It gets them
toxic again. It goes back to what you said at
the beginning. You know, we could have been sitting, you know,
which is a comfortable one or two now win. We
could have been sitting third quarterfinals, good show, good spot
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in Europa League, and you know, in a way we
go and instead we're sitting in tents wondering if you know,
if we can't beat if Twitch, how are we.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Going to beat man City in two weeks. Well, and
that's kind of what you're sitting at and I don't
blame you.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
The good news is that Spurs have always, at least
in recent history, I found a way to beat City.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
It's like the one team that they managed. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Absolutely, So THEA does not scare me at all. We've
got results there probably more times than we haven't, at
least in the recent years, so it doesn't scare me
at all, which is weird. But then again, I can
never It's just a team that you can't predict. You know,
if I would have predicted the ipsarch. I would have
said four to one three one spurs something like that
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and goes to show you just can't predict it. But
we did beat City, you know, last week, so granted
it wasn't a true City side, but still you're playing
against Pep, so we'll see what happens. But yeah, it
again the only thing that gives me. And I'm still
you won't get me to budge on Angin. I know
you're specifically you Robbie are not specifically trying to get
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me to go an out, but I won't budge on
and Gin. It would take something catastrophic for me to
change because I just think this. I think this club
needs stability. There hasn't been any stability at this club
for a years since Potch basically since the heart of
the Potch Rain, where it's just been you know, as
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you said with Robbie Lyle, we change managers more than
you change socks. And I think it's time to stop
with that. And this is the guy to give time to.
And the good news is is we're only three points
out of third place, so wow. I mean, if you
look at it that way, it's not that bad. I
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mean put it this way, if we were six right
now and three points out of third place, the toxicity
you know in the online fan base would be cut
in half, I think, But because there's just so many
teams hanging around that area. Now we're technically and well
we're not technically we are intent. I was gonna say
technically because I thought it was a goal difference, but no,
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we are truly intent. We're still three points out of
third and striking distance, anything can happen. So I mean,
as the season we made top four with Conte, they
were I think they were in eighth a couple of
weeks or I think three or four weeks out and
just the cards fell where they were and Arsenal capitulated
that season and Spurs capitalized and they snuck into the
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top four. So and I think top five is gonna
be good enough for Champions League too.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
But we'll see.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
We can help ourselves by going deep into Europa League
because it's the success of the England clubs.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
YadA YadA, YadA, hole efficiency ranking correct.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah, so even if we don't win Europa, even if
we make a deep run and get fifth, we would
still help ourselves potentially get into the Champions League, so
in a roundabout roundabout where we go.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
But that's enough about my club. I think I've game sucked.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, No, I mean I mean that that one.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
I mean, actually, you know, it's actually good and bad
the fact that we're going into this two week international break.
Because it's it's bad that that's the last game that
they played, but it's good that that it'll be so
far removed from it the next time they play that
you'll have forgotten about it by then, like it's still
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fresh in their mind obviously.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Because of the way they play it and because of
the result. But I just think that when they come back,
you know, and there has been something where there's every
time they're either going to an international break or have
a chance to get in the top four, they spit
all over themselves. I don't know if it's I don't
know if it's a trend or whatever. I mean, it's
definitely a trend, but I don't know if it's something
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mentally or whatever. But it's just it's like a baseball
team that like every time they try to get to
five hundred, they lose another game, Like they ken get
five hundred, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Like you have that you know, early in the season,
you know.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Your team's twenty two and twenty three, and it's like, oh,
here we go.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
It's to five hundred, no another loss. So but we
win and then we lose.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
So to them, just needs to be more consistent, Brant, Like,
I just think that you can't put in performances like this,
like it just it sucks. And you know, I just
think that they're capable of better than that. And it's
got to be disappointing.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But it takes alls in the fact that you did
see Sun come out after the game. He took blame obviously,
and she fell on the sword. But some did come
out afterwhichs with some comments and said that we owe
the fans because that was so bad and everything else.
So I and they've you know, they they've stepped up.
But when but but words aren't enough. They should they
should they should have went out there and won. And
it's embarrassing. It really is embarrassing the fact that they
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lost their promoted side with everything that they had on
the line, with knowing that they could arrested their bodies
for two weeks given their all, and that's what's kind
of got to be the most frustrating for you.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Last thing on my club, because I think you made
My point for me is that they have to be
more consistent, and that's been I mean, I mean I'm
looking at the last five fixtures loss, win, loss, win, loss.
I mean, they just have to be more consistent. But
I think, in my opinion, I think that starts from
the top down. And I mean Levy has been consistently
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doing what he's doing, you know, so at least that's consistent.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
That's that's real, that's real, copium right there, friend, Matt there.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
But but my point is is that I think that
consistency starts from the top down and that includes the
manager position. And if we pan, I mean we're never
no club ever City are finding this out, even though
they win a lot of games. But no club ever
is going to find a manager in less you know,
you're I guess, unless you're a city or in this
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year's case, Liverpool, You're never going to find a manager
who wins every single game. It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Well, Brett Ange did did did do that in this
in the Scottish League. He was winning every single game
with Celtic, Like this is different. You know, so it's
a different challenge for him. I'm not I'm not disparaging
the job that he's doing, but I'm just saying it's
a different challenge. Like he's not he's not going out
there and beating Kilmarnick and Inverness every week.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
You know in these teams of.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Scotland that the mother will be better than Motherwell exactly,
but just just back to your point. He's doing a
fine job and you're right to keep them to keep
the engine movement going. But they can't be putting in
these DUTs like it.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Just it just like because I'm excusing it. I don't
think I'm defending the performance at all. I mean, correct
me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
I'm not saying no, I'm just.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
What I'm saying is that over the law, in the
big picture, in the forest and not the trees. I
think what will long term get rid of this inconsistency
is to have some consistency within the club.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I think that's more than fair so.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
And I think A said it last week or two
weeks ago, was in the montage, which I'll link in
the description too if you want to hear the montage.
It's a little outdated now, but regardless, you don't fall
off mountains or you don't climb mountains, and you don't
fall off cliffs.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
In one week is basically what he said.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
And again it's going to be this up and down,
probably this whole season until they finally learn to be
more consistent. But I think the club needs to be
consistent before the players need to be consist you know
what I mean, or not need to be The club
needs to be consistent in order for the players to
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be more consistent. In my personal opinion, I think that
starts with keeping a manager and keeping a vision, so
I'm still all for that, but this performance unacceptable and
I think everyone said the right things, including je.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, no, no, and that's and that's a perfect way
to uh to kind of wrap things up as we
head into an international break as Tottenham and Arsenal both
don't get the results that they wanted, Arsenal sitting fourth,
Tottenham and tenth, but only three points separate the two
and we'll see what happens when they come Well, we'll
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both come out of the break as Tottenham take on
Manchester City and arsen will be back in action as
well for bright Blake Moore and Robbie Rosenhales.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
This has been another edition of the London Club Council
We're at it again. Welcome to another meeting of the
London Club Council. Now representing Tottenham Hotspit in this corner
we do have Brett Blakemore and repping Arsenal is Robbie Rosenhaus.
So boys, let the banter begin.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Welcome into another edition of the London Club Council with
Brett Blake Moore. My name is Robbie Rosenouse representing Tottenham
and Arsenal. And it wasn't the best of weeks for
either club as we head in to a two week
international break, and before we get to the troubles of
Tottenham and we get to why Tottenham for some reason
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have been now known as doctor Tottenham on social media
and it's been a long time certain in certain in
certain fan bases. I want to get to the premiere
match of the Premier League of the weekend and that
is Arsenal and Chelsea. As Arsenal have now gone four
matches without a winning the Premier League, they draw one
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to one against Chelsea.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
The game helps neither one really in the standings. Yes,
they sit both.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Third and fourth, but both of those teams definitely wanted
to come out with three points.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Neither one does. It was a spirited match, It was
a lively match.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Obviously both teams had tons of chances, Brett, but we
can kind of pinpoint them, you know, one by one
Gusto early, Havertz or Tressard late on that one cross.
But overall I thought it was a stalemate and I
thought it was a point earned by both teams, not
two points dropped.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Well, I would disagree with some of that.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
I feel like I've seen this game a thousand times
where it's at the bridge, each team kind of huffs
and puffs, but no one.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Really does anything and it ends up being a one.
I think it was.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Was it last year where it was like the long
goal from Rice at like midfield to end up making
that one?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I think?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
But I just feel like this is a game that
I see every time these two clubs play, especially at
the bridge. I feel like it's a game where it's
just bound to be a draw, which at least that
I was right about in my predictions, at least in
the group shat because we missed a week of the pod.
I mean, if you look at the XG, if you're
an x G person, it's one point five to five
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versus one point five to four is the is the
XG spread A tenth of a point of XG separates
the two clubs according to that. Whether you believe in
that or not is up to you. But that, to me,
I think illustrates the A. It was even and B
there wasn't really much in the game either because both
of them only deserved the right all in the half.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Right, but the But the big picture though, and just again,
this game is so early in the season and we'll
look back later in the season as to whether or
not this drop two points where either side affects either
one in their chase for top four or lo and
behold the title. But on the big picture aspect of it,
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and just kind of getting to we'll go, I'm going
to give you an Arsenal kind of topic and then
I want to go to a broader kind of Arsenal
slash Chelsea topic. Arsenal for me, this year have not
had the same They haven't had the same creative kind
of where.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
With all in the final third.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
A lot of that has to go with Odegard being
out for the last month, and I get that, but
still there hasn't I mean, Hards has scored some goals,
but I mean out of that last international break, you know,
after they beat Southampton in front of my own two eyes,
they have come out and not won a game since.
And they've gone to Bournemouth and loss. Yes, they've they've
they've drawn some some good sides like Chelsea and Liverpool, but.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
It just seems like the.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Spark is missing and I'm not sure exactly how to
get it back.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Yeah, I mean, that's that was the big point I
was going to make. Since you were in London October fifth,
it is now November eleventh, eleven to eleven. Make a wish,
and what you're wishing for is just three points in
one Premier League match, because since October fifth they haven't
gotten a single one.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Now you win in the chase.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Not only that, you have one win in the Champions
League against shak Tar, which wasn't I think admittedly not
your best game, but you won, and then away at
Preston which that you just rolled.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
That was a good rule.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Well of course, but yeah, but that was expected, right.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Correct, So they're really the form has not been there,
and then the loss to Newcastle as well.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
It's just the form is not there.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
I mean, you know, your favorite Arsenal fan Lee is
calling for Michel's head that he should go.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
So obviously there's frustration because you're.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
So used to the way that Arsenal in the past
two or three years has been. Anything that you're favorite
to win, you go in and typically win. You do
not drop points very often, and that's why you were
able to compete with City Moron City later. But for
whatever reason that I don't know if it's the injuries
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or the spark or the desire. I mean, if you
go down the list of sports cliches and adjectives, but
something's missing there for the Gunners, and I think it's
pretty obvious.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And if you compare the two sides on Sunday, Arsenal
and Chelsea, and you see that this is basically, you know,
the second year of a project, and the first year
really under this new manager, but second year really under
where they've gotten all these players. And you look at
the this is the fifth year that Ourtet has been there.
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You know, there wasn't that big a golf in the
two sides on Sunday. You know, if you look at it,
you know there just wasn't. I mean, it was a
pretty even game and you know, if you want to
look at the measuring stick as to you know, at
one point this year, you know, in October or late September,
Arsenal were title favorites. I mean, they were actual favorites
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to win the Premier League and people predicted the win
that permit, as did I.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
So I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Even a shot at you. That's just a fact.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Again again again, and they and they very well may,
but right now it does not look like that is
going to be the case. But you look at the
table from third to thirteenth, it's separated by four points.
I mean, Chelsea and Manchester United are separated by four
points and that's third to thirteenth, and Tottenham and Arsenal
are right in the mix there. But going back to
Chelsea for a second, like you know, just comparing them
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to what Arsenal is doing, like they they're in only, like,
like I said, their second year of trying to figure
all this out, and they seem to have found their
way getting results, scoring goals, you know, kind of shoring
it up at the back, and you know they haven't
been allowing three four goals like they had been, and
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they've been they've obviously been scoring so you know, it's
a really nice goal. You and I were watching together
that Neto scored. Yeah, they could have had one or
two others. But you know, Chelsea, you're heading in the
right direction. Are personal right now? Are still headed in
the right direction. It's just it just it feels like
they've hit a wall. And I think at some point
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and at some point they're going to start racking up
points against bad teams again because they've played some you know,
I listen, you can get on them for Bourne menth
and that's that's all well and good. And that was
just a terrible, terrible game.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Didn't show up. No, it's just bad, very palace. They
just didn't show up.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Well, they went down to ten men, but that that
didn't help either. But again the but they you know
and gary Neville, people like Gary Neville expect them to
get points when they go down to ten men, Like
I just don't like what like you're gonna you're gonna
call a hockey game and expect just because you know,
the while they're playing the Sharks that just because they're
they're shorthanded, you know, eric and 's gonna go down
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and score a goal every time, you know, when he's
on the penalty kill.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
I mean, counterpoint.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
And there's plenty to criticize about my club, which we'll
do momentarily, and I'm gonna rip them, so don't worry.
But we went down ten men in the Europa League
against somebody who had forgot who even who they are,
Cara Bag I think, and still won three nil.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Well there's that, yeah, but yeah, but but Cara backs.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
A little different, a little different.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
A lot different, because Carabac is not a Premier League side.
Come on, yeah, I mean even even the worst cup
in the Premier League is still is still a top
twenty club in England.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Be that as it may.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Arsenal have not gotten the results Chelsea have, and right
now they sit tied in the table and they sit
third and fourth and they sit right behind. Before we
get into your club, Manchester City, who we should mention
briefly here as we put it off. The Arsenal Chelsea game.
Another bad result for City. They lose two to one
to Brighton, and Brighton, as we've as we've discussed numerous
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times in this podcast, or a team that will pop
up and get you, they got Arsenal a couple of
years ago that ended their title dreams. You know they've
gotten you at home, I believe at the Tottenham Stadium
they beat.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You, so sorry, excuse me. Earlier this year they came
back from two nothing in beat you three to two
at their place. So yeah, when I when when I
was in London Brighton, when they when I was.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
In Brighton, yeah, I thought you're talking City.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I was like, huh but yes at the end, yes,
you're right now, I'm back on page.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
No, it's okay. We'll get to him in a couple
of minutes. But back to City. Just it's it's been
quite a stop.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Start for them to start the season, and uh, I
don't know if they have the same spark now. Losing
Rogery is a enormous deal. I mean, he's the best,
you know, he's the he's the ballan door winner. I mean,
so not having him is a big deal. But they
still should have enough to cope with it. And right
now they're not churning out results like they should be.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Well, I actually again, I'll kind of disagree with you
because I don't think it's been stop start for the City.
I think it's been full speed ahead, foot all the
way down on the gas and then just slamming on
the brakes is what's happened. Because they came to Todd
tomots Pers Stadium for thefl Cup, a game that Pep
said he's not going to try and he didn't. He
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didn't bring on Holland when he could have losed that
game to one, which we know, as we know, no
one comes into tottenhahawsper Sadium and gets points, as we know.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Heavy sarcasm for those not aware. But then after that.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Came losing the Bournemouth away in the league in the
Premier League not good, getting crushed battered by Sporting in
the Champions League for one not good, and then losing
to Brighton at the MX. That's four losses in a
row for them. That's unheard of for City and I
get a normal team has these ups and downs, but
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this isn't a normal team and they're used to just
rolling no matter what. And yeah it's for them, this
is a normal team. That would be a catastrop or
that would be a you know, well, we're in a
little bit of a rut right now.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
We've got to find some works and things out for City.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
This is a cataclysmic failure because any points dropped is
another point, another three point.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
It's that Liverpool are going to take. I mean, this is.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Liverpool's it's not we're six weeks out from Christmas, but
it's Liverpool's lead to lose at this point because they
are on fire.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, no, without a doubt in Liverpool off to a
tremendous start under their new manager and you know, City,
you're now playing catch up and that wasn't always the case,
although you know last year they did you know, Chase
Arsenal for most of the season, remember Arsenal had you know,
I believe they had an eight point lead at one point,
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is that right? I believe it was as many as
eight and have to be corrected on that, one of
our loyal listeners would have to go back and correct
and look that up. But yeah, it was a big
lead last year. And now Liverpool right now have have
the lead over the entire table. They have a five
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point lead on City and obviously nine points on the
four teams sitting third through six, which would be Chelsea, Arsenal,
Forest and Brighton. But I think City, you know, have
their work cut out for them and both in the
Champions League. They're not in an enviable spot, just like
Arsenal when they dropped points to uh into Milan last week.
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And you know, neither team's in good form and Liverpool
taken advantage of it. So you know, kudos to them.
They should be favored to win the league. They're playing
the best football, most solids in tremendous form. Alexander Arnold
is a fantastic player, and you know, Andy Robertson, I mean,
they have really really good players. I mean, Lewis Diaz
is fantastic. I mean there's this no no fluke. I
mean they're you know that they're they're really good and
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they are definitely you know, playing playing the system the
way he wants them to play, and he's you know,
he's he's kind of striking a tune from them, as
as you say. But again, the weather is going to
be it's gonna get colder. The fixtures are going to
come fast and furious. I mean you and I have
both discussed that, you know, when it comes to American Thanksgiving,
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that that's when all the fixtures get kind of bunched up.
When we get start getting you know, two games a
week for like a month or six weeks, you know,
whether it be Cups or European games or even sticking
a couple of Boxing Day games in there, things like that.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
So you know things will start to shake out once
we get to the new year.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
But right now Liverpool deserve to be where they are
and full marks to them.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Liverpool this season has lost one game. Can you recall
what game that was? Off the top of your head?
I didn't remember this was it?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
No?
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I can't recall if top my head.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
It's this year's lester. It was one nil at home
to Nottingham Forest.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Okay, and that.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Was all the way back on September fourteenth. They did
not lose before that. They have not lost since. And
not only that. I mean I'm looking at their fixture
lists right now. I'm trying to find draws anywhere they
drew to you, right, other than that, that's their only
other they drew, Yeah, and before that was friendly. So
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they've lost one, they've drawn one. I mean, they're unbelievably
good this year. Obviously I could have just looked at
the table, but I do it the hard way just
because I'm so.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
That's but again, what we talk about too. I mean
it's there.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
It's clearly twenty eight points for Liverpool, twenty three for
City and then everyone else kind of like you said,
three through thirteen, and that includes my club, which I
think is a good transition to tenth. I talked the
entire week my club, that being Tattenham. I talked a
whole week to you guys that if we win and
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some results go our way, we're gonna be third in
the table going into the international break and we get
ipswitch at home.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
What just a layup for us? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (14:49):
We get a relegation side at home, which our home
form has been great this year. I mean, even against
you guys at our place, I still think the performance
was pretty good. The only real duds we had were
all Away, Palace Away, Coventry away, Those are real duds.
But home has been really good. And then everything works
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out in our favor exactly. The results that I wanted
to happen happened. Villa lost, Forrest lost, you guys drew,
Even though that was after the game, everything was lining
up for Spurs that the door was wide open and
all we had to do was just Vince McMahon walk
through the door right and then you know our are
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seawan to go further into the wrestling, but our Shawn
Michael's cape gets caught in the ramp and we fall back.
Can we slam our heads and get a concussion? That's
just pure Spurs right there. And I hate spursy. I
hate the word.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I think it sucks.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
I think anytime we lose a match and it's called spursy,
it pisses me off.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
If I had gun to my head. What is spursy?
It is this, It is the door is wide open.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
All you have to do is walk through against a
bad team and you find a way to lose.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
That is Spurs.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Not conceding goals at the end of a game, not
giving up a two goal lead. That to me, that
happens to every club. Sure it may happen to us
a little bit more, but the confluence of events that
I mean, think about this and I can get more
into x's and o's, but think about this.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Let's say we do win that game.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Let's say we come back and win three to two
and it's ugly, doesn't matter, we get three points. This
is the talking point as a Spurs fan. We're third
in the prem We're in the quarterfinals of the care
About Cup. We're in a playoff bid or a playoff
by in Europa League. Life is good at that? I mean,
what are we missing here? And there's still stats if
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I want to go Homerism on it and say, oh,
we're the we're the Premier League scoring leaders right now,
we're scoring more goals than anyone and blah.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Again the game. It sucks and the game was terrible.
They didn't Is there of anything out of it? Shameful
defending I everyone is once again scapegoing Brenton Johnson for
one of the goals. Personally, I think it's on the
center backs for not even being in the six yard box,
but that's called me crazy.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
It just.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
And the international break too. Is weird that this is
the seventh straight loss going into an international break for Spurs.
So I don't know if they just they're already on
the plane to Argentina. I don't know, but something's got
to change. And fell on the sword. He didn't pull
a conte, which I appreciated, even though he probably doesn't
mean it. He's probably just falling. I mean, don't you
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think he's just that's defending the players, you know, like he's.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Hey, you know what, you can't throw the players on
the buzz after they go before they go on vacation
for two weeks. And we talked about the match, and
we talked about certain players and how you know, Son
was hit or miss. I thought he was a little
better than you thought.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
And you I was not a fan of Son.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
You did not I love Son.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
He was bad.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
He was bad.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Okay, Well, here's the one question I have for you
in terms of the the substitutions. Yeah, Werner, not Pursuma, really,
I mean that one didn't make too much sense to me.
I just I understand bringing him on for you know, try.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
And get paid and yeah, getting.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
An attacker and try and get somebody, you know, because
the wingbacks just were kind of bottled up for most
of the game. So I thought maybe bringing on Persuma
and trying to play into the middle of the middle
of the park and trying to get something down the
middle perhaps would have worked. But that's not what they did.
They brought on Werner. I mean, he had one chance
that he fired into the you know, eighteenth row, so
(18:39):
which he's in, which he's known to do so. And
I'm not gonna this isn't a Timo Werner bash fest.
This is just a more of a kind of a
I thought that they would bring on Pursuma because I
think he could have provided a little bit more control
in midfield, maybe a little bit more steel, and perhaps
gotten you kind of a gritty.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Goal rather than you know, one of those you know,
anwall goals.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
There were times where I think it was a game
against Villa where he took off Sonny at halftime. And
by the way, I made a great montage for that
week that never got to be never, never was heard
because I was on top of the world. And now
naturally when I'm back to the you know, the the.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Gallows were we're recording again. That's just how that goes. Whatever.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
I'm not gonna say it's a conspiracy, but I'll let
you draw your own conclusions.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Timo Werner, is.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
You better get used to conspiracy theories now?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I know, well before I get to this team of point.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
So he brings on he takes off Sonny at like
the sixty minute mark, and everyone's like, what is Ange doing?
But it works and he's a genius you know what
I mean, Oh, what a great play.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
We all doubted him.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
What a genius, and this time he kind of waits
for the subs and he's an idiot.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Why isn't he taken? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (19:53):
The subs I could have been earlier. You know, Basuma
and Madison on in the eighty fourth minute, a little late,
but you know, I going into a break and you've
got injuries. No Mikey Moore. There's a couple other players,
no Oda Bear, that were not on the bench for
bench options. So I kind of get that. But here's
my thing too about Timo. He's got his flaws.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Temo to me is like he's like have you ever
met someone that.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Like collects old cars and there's one that's like really
broken down and when you when you hit the gas,
it kind of makes like a weird noise and you're like, yeah,
it's not perfect, but like does the job, you know,
I mean, it's it's my old car.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
That's kind of how I feel about Timo, Like I'm
well aware of the flaws a Timo burner. We can
pick an all day long about how he can't finish,
he can't hit the broad speedboat with no brains. But
like at the end of the day, it's like, yeah,
but it's tema, you know, like it's just he's got
a lot of pacing.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Put a cross in. So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
I think for a depth option off the bench in
this eightieth minute, I think it's fine.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
But that's maybe I had my expectations and my too low.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Maybe that Brad that was nitpicking.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
We can look at the big picture, and that is
that Tottenham did not put in an effort worthy of
what their fans played in the first half and the
second half it was too little, too late. Now Selanky
had the chance late, he possibly could Yeah, that was
(21:23):
he could have. He could have got more on it, you.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Know, well the VR one.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Well the VAR one also, But I'm talking about late
when he when he had the chance. I mean, he
gets himself at the good positions. You know, he's been
playing better. But he did go through that streak where
he didn't score for I mean, I don't know how long,
but it was a very long time. But now it
seems like he's finding his way and he's getting more chances.
But overall, I mean I can't be any more disappointed.
(21:50):
If I was you with with that effort against a
bad team at home, going into a two week low.
It just puts you in a bad mood. It puts
the fan base in a bad mood. It gets them
toxic again. It goes back to what you said at
the beginning. You know, we could have been sitting, you know,
which is a comfortable one or two now win. We
could have been sitting third quarterfinals, good show, good spot
(22:12):
in Europa League, and you know, in a way we
go and instead we're sitting in tents wondering if you know,
if we can't beat if Twitch, how are we.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Going to beat man City in two weeks. Well, and
that's kind of what you're sitting at and I don't
blame you.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
The good news is that Spurs have always, at least
in recent history, I found a way to beat City.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
It's like the one team that they managed. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Absolutely, So THEA does not scare me at all. We've
got results there probably more times than we haven't, at
least in the recent years, so it doesn't scare me
at all, which is weird. But then again, I can
never It's just a team that you can't predict. You know,
if I would have predicted the ipsarch. I would have
said four to one three one spurs something like that
(22:58):
and goes to show you just can't predict it. But
we did beat City, you know, last week, so granted
it wasn't a true City side, but still you're playing
against Pep, so we'll see what happens. But yeah, it
again the only thing that gives me. And I'm still
you won't get me to budge on Angin. I know
you're specifically you Robbie are not specifically trying to get
(23:19):
me to go an out, but I won't budge on
and Gin. It would take something catastrophic for me to
change because I just think this. I think this club
needs stability. There hasn't been any stability at this club
for a years since Potch basically since the heart of
the Potch Rain, where it's just been you know, as
(23:40):
you said with Robbie Lyle, we change managers more than
you change socks. And I think it's time to stop
with that. And this is the guy to give time to.
And the good news is is we're only three points
out of third place, so wow. I mean, if you
look at it that way, it's not that bad. I
(24:02):
mean put it this way, if we were six right
now and three points out of third place, the toxicity
you know in the online fan base would be cut
in half, I think, But because there's just so many
teams hanging around that area. Now we're technically and well
we're not technically we are intent. I was gonna say
technically because I thought it was a goal difference, but no,
(24:24):
we are truly intent. We're still three points out of
third and striking distance, anything can happen. So I mean,
as the season we made top four with Conte, they
were I think they were in eighth a couple of
weeks or I think three or four weeks out and
just the cards fell where they were and Arsenal capitulated
that season and Spurs capitalized and they snuck into the
(24:46):
top four. So and I think top five is gonna
be good enough for Champions League too.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
But we'll see.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
We can help ourselves by going deep into Europa League
because it's the success of the England clubs.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
YadA YadA, YadA, hole efficiency ranking correct.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah, so even if we don't win Europa, even if
we make a deep run and get fifth, we would
still help ourselves potentially get into the Champions League, so
in a roundabout roundabout where we go.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
But that's enough about my club. I think I've game sucked.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, No, I mean I mean that that one.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
I mean, actually, you know, it's actually good and bad
the fact that we're going into this two week international break.
Because it's it's bad that that's the last game that
they played, but it's good that that it'll be so
far removed from it the next time they play that
you'll have forgotten about it by then, like it's still
(25:39):
fresh in their mind obviously.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Because of the way they play it and because of
the result. But I just think that when they come back,
you know, and there has been something where there's every
time they're either going to an international break or have
a chance to get in the top four, they spit
all over themselves. I don't know if it's I don't
know if it's a trend or whatever. I mean, it's
definitely a trend, but I don't know if it's something
(26:03):
mentally or whatever. But it's just it's like a baseball
team that like every time they try to get to
five hundred, they lose another game, Like they ken get
five hundred, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Like you have that you know, early in the season,
you know.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Your team's twenty two and twenty three, and it's like, oh,
here we go.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
It's to five hundred, no another loss. So but we
win and then we lose.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
So to them, just needs to be more consistent, Brant, Like,
I just think that you can't put in performances like this,
like it just it sucks. And you know, I just
think that they're capable of better than that. And it's
got to be disappointing.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But it takes alls in the fact that you did
see Sun come out after the game. He took blame obviously,
and she fell on the sword. But some did come
out afterwhichs with some comments and said that we owe
the fans because that was so bad and everything else.
So I and they've you know, they they've stepped up.
But when but but words aren't enough. They should they
should they should have went out there and won. And
it's embarrassing. It really is embarrassing the fact that they
(26:56):
lost their promoted side with everything that they had on
the line, with knowing that they could arrested their bodies
for two weeks given their all, and that's what's kind
of got to be the most frustrating for you.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Last thing on my club, because I think you made
My point for me is that they have to be
more consistent, and that's been I mean, I mean I'm
looking at the last five fixtures loss, win, loss, win, loss.
I mean, they just have to be more consistent. But
I think, in my opinion, I think that starts from
the top down. And I mean Levy has been consistently
(27:29):
doing what he's doing, you know, so at least that's consistent.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
That's that's real, that's real, copium right there, friend, Matt there.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
But but my point is is that I think that
consistency starts from the top down and that includes the
manager position. And if we pan, I mean we're never
no club ever City are finding this out, even though
they win a lot of games. But no club ever
is going to find a manager in less you know,
you're I guess, unless you're a city or in this
(28:02):
year's case, Liverpool, You're never going to find a manager
who wins every single game. It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Well, Brett Ange did did did do that in this
in the Scottish League. He was winning every single game
with Celtic, Like this is different. You know, so it's
a different challenge for him. I'm not I'm not disparaging
the job that he's doing, but I'm just saying it's
a different challenge. Like he's not he's not going out
there and beating Kilmarnick and Inverness every week.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
You know in these teams of.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Scotland that the mother will be better than Motherwell exactly,
but just just back to your point. He's doing a
fine job and you're right to keep them to keep
the engine movement going. But they can't be putting in
these DUTs like it.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Just it just like because I'm excusing it. I don't
think I'm defending the performance at all. I mean, correct
me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
I'm not saying no, I'm just.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
What I'm saying is that over the law, in the
big picture, in the forest and not the trees. I
think what will long term get rid of this inconsistency
is to have some consistency within the club.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I think that's more than fair so.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
And I think A said it last week or two
weeks ago, was in the montage, which I'll link in
the description too if you want to hear the montage.
It's a little outdated now, but regardless, you don't fall
off mountains or you don't climb mountains, and you don't
fall off cliffs.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
In one week is basically what he said.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
And again it's going to be this up and down,
probably this whole season until they finally learn to be
more consistent. But I think the club needs to be
consistent before the players need to be consist you know
what I mean, or not need to be The club
needs to be consistent in order for the players to
(29:46):
be more consistent. In my personal opinion, I think that
starts with keeping a manager and keeping a vision, so
I'm still all for that, but this performance unacceptable and
I think everyone said the right things, including je.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, no, no, and that's and that's a perfect way
to uh to kind of wrap things up as we
head into an international break as Tottenham and Arsenal both
don't get the results that they wanted, Arsenal sitting fourth,
Tottenham and tenth, but only three points separate the two
and we'll see what happens when they come Well, we'll
(30:22):
both come out of the break as Tottenham take on
Manchester City and arsen will be back in action as
well for bright Blake Moore and Robbie Rosenhales.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
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