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Speaker 1 (00:04):
We're at it again.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome to another meeting of the London Club Council. Now
representing Tottenham Hotspur. In this corner we do have Brett
blakemore and repping Arsenal is Robbie Rosenhause. So boys, let
the banter begin.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Well, Welcome into another edition of the London Club Council.
I'm bred Blake when representing Tottenham Hotspur. With me representing
the Arsenal is Robbie Rosenhouse.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Robbie, how are you?
Speaker 5 (00:32):
I'm doing okay, And for those of you that can't
see me on camera, I'm actually wearing a which is everyone,
not the Chelsea Blue as we welcome in our guests here,
and not the Tottenham blue but more of a kind
of a Manchester City blue. I guess yeah on camera.
But I'm doing well. Arsenal are doing okay and we're
looking to get healthier as we kind of journey together
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on our European campaign.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, it's a blue moon here. On the episode Break
International Break which stunk. If you're a fan of the USMNT,
we'll get to that later, but with us as well.
Long returning guest a Marinadanovich, Chelsea correspondent Malina, how are you.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
I'm great. I haven't had to watch Chelsea play in
a week and a half weeks. The next time we play,
we have the FA Cup break this weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
None of our teams are in that.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Yeah, who needs cup competitions anyways? Not us?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
No, no, no, So well, the good news for you
is that you get Spurs coming to the Bridge April third,
and we all know how that's gonna go. Last year
I had this delusional confidence that for whatever reason, I
thought we were the form at least we were playing
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well Spurs. Chelsea had not had good form at that
point in time. Serves me right for being optimistic, because
they just got embarrassed. I think it was it was
it two oh or was it three? No, but they
just looked they looked like they didn't even belong in
the same pitch. So probably on the way. But let's
start with your club though. Speaking that, going into you're
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saying you're you're thankful that you haven't had to watch them.
What's been the biggest I mean, you guys are still
in the mix for top four, you know, like, what's
kind of the biggest complaint?
Speaker 6 (02:21):
We're in the mix for top four, not because we've
been that great. It's just everyone else has been slightly
worse than us, slightly more inconsistent. And I do think
that the first half of the season, obviously, like where
we got most of our points.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Is carrying us now.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
The biggest criticism, I don't. All of my criticism just
go back to the squad building, the owner, not necessarily ownership,
but the recruiting, because I don't think the squad was
built in good faith.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
They don't.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
The January But actually that's my biggest gripe, the January window.
If we had addressed problems in the January window, I
don't think we'd be as bad right now. I don't
like all of our forwards are either out or out
of form, and Kunku, to me, the biggest disappointment to
me this season is him, and specifically in this run,
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where he has had the opportunity to make this team
his own, to make the impact. There's nobody behind you, like,
no one other than josh At or not josh A Chipong.
Oh my god, Tyreek George. That's and he's an academy boy.
He's seventeen, eighteen years old. You've had the opportunity to
make this team, your own finally for the first time
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your Chelsea's career, and you just haven't and you absolutely haven't.
I think also the center midfield could have been addressed.
I think we should have brought back either Leslie or
Andre Santos for Enzo and Catato to get breaks.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
And just the squad.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Building is just the biggest, Like every problem that you
see on the pitch, ninety to ninety five percent of
them can go back to the squad building. Because let
me put it this way, right, if we look look
at the defense, it is not fair to tell Levi
Colevill at twenty one, twenty two years old, to be
like you are the marshal of this back line.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It is your back line.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
When we know, especially for like center backs, they their
peaks come a little bit later, right like twenty five,
twenty six, twenty Seve. Virgil Van Dyke was not virgil
Van Dyke at twenty two. He was at Celtic, probably
not even at Celtic at twenty.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Two years old.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So I don't think it's fair.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
It would be like putting Jerrell Kwansa in the back
line of Liverpool without a KNT or without a Virgil
Van Dyke and telling him do it.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I don't think that's fair.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
So yeah, all the problems to me, like you can
look at the pitch stuff. You could look at the manager.
He can he could probably do a little bit better.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
But it's like, come on man, Yeah, Well, the one
thing that stock out to me in your answer was
that it wasn't built in good faith. So because me
as a Spurs fan, I would give, you know, my
kidney for Spurs to stop caring about wages and just
get the right players. You guys don't give a damn
about wages, which I'm jealous of. But it wasn't then
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good What do you mean by it wasn't built in
good faith? Can you expand on that?
Speaker 6 (05:20):
In good faith? I mean I think individually.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
All of our players are brilliant.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
All of the ones that we've bought, I think individually
they're amazing. However, I do not think there was any
sort of considerations into how the pieces fit together, because
it's not a game of individual pieces. This is a
game of how the pieces fit together. You look at
Nottingham Forest, you can't tell me a squad who was
still the really writing relegation on the last day of
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the season last season. Now are very comfortably third in
the league and about to get champions League football. You
can't tell me that their squad is better.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Than ours on an individual to individual basis.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
How the units work as a whole, so much better,
so much more seamless. And I think that has to
do a lot with the profiles. Their center back profiles
are freaking insane. I think they have a good mix
of age and experience and the youth. I just that's
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what I mean in like, not good faith, because the
pieces are brilliant, but the pieces are are not like
interlocking properly right now.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
And it seems like the Chelsea fan base is really
up in arms about the strategies that Bowley and his
staff have kind of put into practice here with these
long term deals. And this wasn't something that they've kind
of just started doing. I mean, we go back to
when Mutric was brought in and players like that early
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on in his tenure, and he's continued to do that. Now.
It may work when you're bringing in like a l
Mein or somebody like that, where you know that it's
world class, you know he can't miss, But in Chelsea's case,
you know you're bringing these guys in, giving them these
long term deals and you're basically going in blind where
they're for me. I think Chelsea need to buy Premier
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League ready players. That's why they were interested in Garnaccio
because he was he was at United and I know
that you know, whether or not he confid or not.
He's the type of player that the type of profile
somebody who's done it in the Premier League, albeit on
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a bad club, young right, exactly, that's Chelsea's profile and
the fact that he's done it in the Premier League,
in his Premier League tested, rather than these other guys
that they brought in like an end Zo. I mean,
Caseto was obviously he came from Brighton, but some of
these other guys that have come from these other countries,
I mean, you don't know until you throw them in
the fire in the best league in the world. And
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that's why Arsenal have gone out and gotten like a
Havertz from Chelsea or you know, the other other players
from from inside. Even Sterling. Yes, I know he hasn't
he hasn't really you know, played well, but still that's
what they've.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
Done, like like thirty year olds just going to man
City from from Chelsea and.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Right, right, yeah, exactly. You know, it's it's very rare
that you get at Bruno Fernandez to come into a
club and basically kind of just reshape the entire mentality
coming from a different country in a different league and
and act and and becoming your captain. I feel like
Chelsea when they were kind of obviously Palmer has been
a big part of what they've done offensively, but I
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feel like in their in their pomp, at their at
their best, they had a leader on the pitch. They
had leaders on the pitch.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
And and we don't have to list all of them.
Their banners are all in the stadium, but just one
of those guys, whether it be and and you look
at the different levels, right, you look at drug Lampard
Terry check. Four leaders at four different levels, right, Brett.
I mean, that's what you're looking for on the pitch,
You're looking for leaders, and that's what you're looking for
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at Spurs, right.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
And what is characteristic of the four names you just listed, Robbie,
Each position in the pitch had a grown ass man
leading in from the back to the defense, to the
midfield to the front.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
There is no gap there. There is no gap there.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
If someone is slacking, you know who's about to bitch
at you. If you misplaced pass, you know who's bitching
at you. If you do not put in the full
effort into a goal saving tackle, you know John Terry's
about to rip you throw it out.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
These guys don't have that because they're all the same age.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
It like Enzo Fernandez is what twenty three years old,
He's a senior member of the squad. That's insane. Nah,
that is insane. And something else that I think is
important here. I think I hate that all them are
so young because you do have to develop these players, right,
like they do have to get better, but you have
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to do it.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
It doesn't just happen.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
So what happens when you just like completely destroy their confidence.
We don't know what Trajectoryly like Colbo would have been
in if he had entered the squad when we were
you know, when we had Rudiger and Christensen and at
Ziago Solva.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Like he's the leader, but like he needs to be led.
He is a baby. He is a child. But I think, also,
not to be completely.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Negative, I think you're seeing certain players do that like
get older and get a little bit more mature.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I think Kiesto has been insane.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
I think somebody that we need to talk about and
somebody that deserves a lot of apologies from a lot
of people. Mark Kukarea. I think people are very, very
very quick to stamp out players when they don't light
the world on fire, especially when they.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Played for a club like Chelsea. If within the first five.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Games you're not you know, the best thing in the
entire world ever, you're a flop.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Well, now Coukara.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Has been at Chelsea. What I think it's his second
or third season.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Now look at him.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
He had Socca in his pocket in the first match,
the two two draw. I mean Socca didn't do much
and he didn't play in the second match. So there.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, I'll never say Cucka is not good. I still
just can't stand him just out there.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
He's annoying.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
And you need those types of players, like really like
almost a Diego Costa, a left back type of player,
somebody who gets really in under the skin of the opposition.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Like you need those types of players.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
And I commend Cuckaroia for every bit of shit house
because that reminds me of the Chelsea of my my childhood.
That reminds like being annoying and aggressive and obnoxious.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Do it Chelsea specialty?
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yeah, I mean, I mean Flora Maluda was one of
the dirtiest midfielders in Europe. I mean he used to
slide in late and get cards go over. But he
was a fantastic midfielder. And you had tons of those
players that were elegant when they needed to be, but
also ship ship house and get in on a nasty
tackle when they needed to be. And that's why and
that's why Chelsea won all those leagues and trophies and
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and things of the like. But this yeah, yeah, and
we'll see if if Chelsea you're gonna be physical? Uh
coming up in what nine days time?
Speaker 7 (12:27):
You were?
Speaker 5 (12:28):
You guys are the standalone game next Thursday.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
You'll be fine. What about It'll be a showcase for
you guys at the bridge. Gosh, you'll be.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Can we can we just talk about Ree James.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
What a beauty Huh unbelievable England win three nil? Uh
they beat Latvia. He was fantastic. I mean, twokele just
just pushing all the right buttons. There a manager that
Chelsea should it's never never gotten rid of, well.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Never should have gotten rid of. And as I was
to like when he scored, I like, I love Reece
James the way I think people love their children.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
That's what I envisioned that to be. And as happy
as I.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Was, I see them like I see Twoco celebrating and
I see re celebrating, and I'm like, in an alternate universe,
this is this is for club and country.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
It just made me really sad.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
But you know, speaking of Chelsea managers, where are you
at on the Enzo train? Do you feel like we've
talked about the squad building and the piece is fitting together,
But how much of that is on Enzo though to
make those pieces, to force them together or is it
there's nothing really he can do?
Speaker 6 (13:43):
I I the style of play recently has just really
made me want to vomit.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
To be completely.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Honest, it's been very slow and the thing that bothers
me so much. You can play like that when you're
Man City and you have the Kevin de Bruno's and
the Rodris and the early Hollins and all of that, right,
you cannot play that way when you have a Robert
Sanchez ngal We have the fact that we've gone fifteen
minutes without me mentioning that absolute terrorist.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
I just yeah, I mean that that was gonna be
my first question. But we went off on a tangent there,
and I knew we were going to get to him
at some point, so I was actually looking at my
watch every couple of minutes to see how long it
was going to be until we mentioned your caper.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
We can do a whole episode on him. But back
to end, Zoe Aresca. It's so slow, to the point
where like it's so easy for the opposition to play
against us because they know we're going to reset and
we're going to be slow. We're going to be slow
as hell. All they have to do is just sit
there and wait because our press isn't particularly good. It
hasn't been particularly good. If there's no available passing lane,
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no one thinks to create a passing lane. They just
pass it back, pass it back, pass it back. That's it,
back by the bank, and it's killing me slowly. However,
I do think there's a lot of mitigating factors, like
I don't think they can play the the football we
were playing up until a certain point, because you have
Nannia who's amazing on the on the wings, Nico Jackson
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and everything that he does well the whole to play
the channels, the creating lanes for himself, the creating opportunities
for his teammates. Cole not be not firing on also
not firing on any cylinders, to be honest in Cuckoo,
Jayden Sancho poor form. I think Pedro Nato has been
pretty good, but again, like that's not enough. You can't
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have one of your forwards playing even remotely well if
you want this to work. I give him a lot
of grace and Zoo Moresca because this is his first
big job. It's a lot of pressure, it's a lot
of scrutiny, and I think in general we have to
be a little bit more gracious with managers because this
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is one of the few jobs in the world where
you learn on the job all the time, like you
are learned, and so the thing I like about Inzo
Moresca is he's not afraid to try new things, even
like I've looked at lineups before and been like what
and then it somehow works, you know, and then sometimes
it doesn't work. He'll try it once or twice. If
by the second or third time it doesn't work, he's
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not doing it again. And I appreciate a manager who
tries new things other than just like the play style
is just killing me. But I really think that's the
injuries doing doing the things.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
How do you how do you view this European campaign
so far? I mean the first leg against Copenhagen wasn't
exactly or been convincing. Yeah, I was gonna say that,
but I'll leave it to you the self named tortured
Chelsea fan Malayna Datovich who joins us here in the
London Club council.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
The European campaign, I mean, getting into Europa League next
year is obviously not your goal and that would be
the reward for winning conference league. But how much importance,
uh do you do you still put on winning a
trophy this year? Or is it simply finishing and if
you if you finish in the top four, and I
mean those last four matches that you have, I mean,
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I don't know if you've looked at the schedule. It's Liverpool,
it's a new forest, It's forest Forest away, Newcastle away.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
It's Liverpool at home, Newcastle away, Uh.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
United home at home and not away. Yeah, four in
a row, I mean, and Chelsea's may have that European
campaign still going on, so it's gonna be wild times.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
They should come may I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
To answer your question, hold on, my mind just blanked. Yes,
win the trophy. I don't care win the trophy. I
need the trophy. It's been two years without a trophy.
It's the longest I've gone over.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Open that book, Brett, open.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
That Oh look at Okay, this is gonna be the podcast.
Listeners won't get this, but that's fine. Robbie got me
a book as a gift and.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
This is just this is just mean. Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's a book of the true story of Tottenham silverware
in the twenty first century. Here's my problem with this.
It's a bunch of empty pages. Haha, haa, so funny.
Here's my problem is that they have every month. We're
going on a whole tangent. Now they have every month
on this. So it's like February two thousand and six.
I'm gonna tell you, no club won a trophy in
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February two thousand and six.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
There weren't any trophies.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Actually, they wore the Carabello Coupany.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
You could have said like August, but that's you know
what I mean. But then again you you win the
Audio Cup. I don't know if that was in there,
but I just thought it was.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I don't see the K League All Stars cut in
here anywhere, so I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
You know, No, I think I think when Arsenal play
Tottenham in Hong Kong this summer, as Chelsea are wrout
around the freeways and highways of the United States of America,
I think I think perhaps we should put it up
for a cup there.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
But no, I mean, it's it's it's very interesting to
see the paths of all three of these clubs. As
as we kind of talk about Chelsea, Tottenham and Arsenal,
all three are still alive for European trophies.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
I mean, there is a world. There is a world
where all three of our clubs within European trophies, which
is just I mean, it is beyond the scope something
that I never thought that, I mean because I never
thought that Chelsea would be down that that low considering
where they were at their height. But I do like
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what you had to say about winning a trophy it's
been too long. It's been two years. And I know
we got off on and we laughed about Brett, but
Brett has a legitimate chance in two years. Listen, listen,
Brett has a legitimate chance to win a trophy. This year.
It won't be It won't matter what they do in
the game.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Against Chelsea for that.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
For that's relevant, but it's still very important because as
we know, Brett's to least favorite teams are Chelsea Wolton.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
We'll talk about Spurs a little bit, but like the
fact that people are so up in arms that they
came out flat against Fulham where the prem literally does
not matter anymore. We're not getting relegated, we're not getting
top four. Who cares?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
You know? Anyways, did you did you feel that way?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
One more thing before we move on. I think it
was what was it three or four years ago, Melina,
you guys finished in was an eighth, ninth, tenth, eleven? Well,
well right, yeah, there you go. So how did it
feel towards the end of the season there when you
were kind of playing out the string, it was just.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Get to forty points and leave me alone, right, I celebrate?
Listen to this.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I We'll never forget this day.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
March sixth, twenty twenty three, Born with Away is when
we secured over forty points and the day we officially
could not be relegated, four match days away from the
end of the season. I celebrated that day like I'd
won a champions League. I said, I don't have to
worry about this team until August. I'm sick and tired,
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thank you God. And that's exactly what you will feel
when you get to forty points. If you get to
forty points, it's just it's honestly just, it makes you.
It humbles you a lot, It makes you realize the
important things of life.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
I since the last time we spoke to you, Brett
has had those feelings, albeit brief, but he's had those
feelings of potentially dropping down to the championship.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I have text yeah, but that's end game. That's just reactionary.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
It's getting yes see.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
I think with Spurs, like Spurs and United are obviously
like the the downfall of the Big six right now,
but I always felt that for Spurs it really was
just the injuries. I have never viewed Spurs as as
bad as like the fifteenth or fourteenth place that they
were for a while.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I think United are just that bad. I think they
are bad.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
I think United we're at higher risk and like actual
real risk of a relegation battle than Tottenham ever were.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I don't know, yeah, me at least, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
I love that you said that because I've been fighting
this battle with Robbie for all year long basically that,
and and we do stink, like, don't get me wrong,
like we've had you know, our stinker percentage is as
high as it's ever been where we just come out
completely flat. And I want to do my brief Spurs
monologue since we're going to Spurs, because it is it's
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getting bad. Like with the fan base, it's getting bad.
And each each one of us has our fair share
of toxic fans that you know, the worst of the worst,
from AFTV the people outside, to the worst of the
worst from you know, Chelsea fan TV, who are right,
who are protesting.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Chelsea Twitter don't exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
So we've all got it. But I mean, I can't
go to the Tottenham anymore. I'm putting a temporary hold
on that because I'm I'm still an angin guy despite
all of this. Because I just think at our base,
we've been changing managers so often and it just doesn't
work because we've got some Conta players and some Marino
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players still and some like it's just it's not one
manager's vision. And I just think just because of that,
I want to just see one out, just to change
it up, just to you know, see a project through.
And I think he's the guy to do it. But
if I say that, like that sentence that I just said,
if I said that on Spurs Twitter or Spurs Reddit,
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I'm a cultist. Apparently I'm a part of a cult
that oh man the and Colts back at it again
because he just lost to Fulham, so he's out of
his depth and he never changes even though he does.
I mean it is at an all I mean, it's
at an all time toxic.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
Hi.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
I just don't understand like that that's the that you're
in the minority in your fan base, because I would
stick with Ange.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I think your ownership is the problem. I think you
could put Pep Guardiole in there.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
It might work for two months, three months whatever. After that,
I don't know, because you have to spend money to
make money, and I've always said about Spurs like I
feel like Daniel Levy only really cares about only looks
at Tottenham the way he looks at the f one
and the concerts and the NFL just as a revenue stream.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
When this goes.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
For all of the ownership groups, it is an honor
and a privilege to be to be the caretaker.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
You do not own these things. These are hours, these
are the fans.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
You have the privilege in the honor of being the
caretakers of these.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
It is your job and your duty. The size of Tottenham.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Should be colossal compared to whoever, whatever artists you can
bring in, whatever NFL team you can bring in. However
many f one like go car thingies you can do combined.
So to me, everything will say the same at tot
him until Daniel Levy decides.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
I I understand though, Brett, that you you know you
have never wavered on Ange and it's it's it's admirable,
it's it's admirable to a fault because if you look
behind it again, I'm not gonna go on an Ange
out rant because but the longer he stays in there,
the better it is I think for my club. Because
I just again I'm not going to go into I'm
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not gonna be one of those because I'm not a
Spurs fan, so I'm not somebody who's gonna challenge you
and knows every detail like you do of the club.
I'm going to trust your judgment in the fact that
you think that he should begin the club. I'm entitled
to my opinion. I just don't think again, they started
out with nine wins in ten games in when he
first got the job, and everybody wanted to put a
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crown on his head.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Okay, I remember he was up for the England manager
job people were talking about and Liverpool they're talking about that.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Now he's not even in the prem at all.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
I think so, I honestly think it comes down to
one person and one person only forget that son. We
knew that his his fault. He would he would fall
off a little bit. All the young fifteen and the
young and the young kids would be inconsistent. They'd have
great games like the one you'll win over Liverpool, you know,
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like that, like that, like that amazing like that amazing match,
or or when they wanted Europe and all those young
kids scored it at Tottenham Stadium. Who would score for
the first time in a Tottenham shirt. But but then again,
you know you have them going on the road and
laying eggs or losing to Ipswich at home without without
without tip switch.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Good teams have love tip switch.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Okay, thank you the switch.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
So so I'm gonna put away my opinion because you
know it, the listeners know it, Molina knows it, everybody
knows it by now, and obviously everybody knows your opinion.
So I'm gonna kind of rephrase this as a question. Okay,
what would be your breaking point with this man?
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Like?
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Is there is that? Like?
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Are you because you've been called old and and cold
this and while I don't think that's what you are,
because we talk about Tottenham more than the listeners here,
you talk about them. Yeah, but I just I just
want to know if there is a point of where
because if they go out of Europe, there is a
better than zero chance he gets let go and does
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not get to manage the team next season.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
That's would you agree, woul Would you agree with I
think that's entirely possible. Yeah, I wouldn't, but I think
it's a possibility. Yeah, I'll answer.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
It's probable I wanted to say it was possible.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
So it's a simple answer. It's a it's a very
simple answer. Once the players stopped backing him, and once
once you start hearing the rumblings of uh oh Kolsevski's
frustrated with with angelab blah, We've gotten none of that.
We've gotten repeated backings publicly.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
I mean, you name it.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
There is some bit with Romero that he's upset, but
he's upset at the medical staff, not not Ange.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
So it is what it is. And American go to
Real Madrid. I don't give it right.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Yeah, he can link today to Atletico Madrid. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
the the uh he's good. Yeah. The timing of that
was was interesting as well. And six yeah exactly, you're
better off hanging on the bands a band in momrrow.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
I would agree with that as well. Yeah, So that's
my simple answer. Once the players start, once they start
voicing frustrations, that's when I'd changed my mind. But because
they back him so much, and every player present and
past raves about and and how great he is, why
would you throw that out for a conte who just
today Jed Spence came out and said that wrecked my
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confidence when Kante said I was a club signing, wrecked it.
And you want to do that because he'll change his
tactics at halftime.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
But he's a piece of shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
But here's the difference between your two clubs, right, I
mean Grand Potter comes into Chelsea and can't win a
game and they get rid of him within what three
four months? I mean, how long did grand Potter last for?
Four months? Six months?
Speaker 6 (28:52):
You know?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Six months? Right?
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Well?
Speaker 5 (28:54):
I know, I mean, but that but again, that was
I think because he didn't he didn't get all he didn't.
I don't like, you know, got his players in. I
don't think he got the he got the requisite players
in and his style. I don't think the Tottenham fans
liked either. So I don't think that was a perfect.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Marriage and last thing on Spurs and then we got
to move on a the style of play. Anyone who
says that we need to go back to defensive football,
who were also calling for Conte to get done, is
a bunch of frauds. I said at the beginning of
the season, I say it now, Spurs need to be
attacking football. That is our club. That's end of story.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
And two.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
The last thing, last last thing. Daniel Leavy will always
say that he spends money on players with the transfer fees, right,
you have to look at the wages. The wages are
the lowest in the league, like top bottom three in
the league wages. But oh we spent sixty million to
bring in so and so. Yeah, but the wages are
terrible because he's eighteen. You have to look at the wages.
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That's the big problem. Because we could have went and
got like a Jack Grealish or somebody, but his wages
would have been through the roof. What he would have
helped up front probably you know, more than what we've
got now. So anyways, that's my last thing on Spurs.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Before we go. We've got a couple of minutes left.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Robbie Arsenal, you guys are boring right now, Like let's
talk about boring.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
I mean we sit, we sit high atop the perch
in second and then below us, I think there's what
eight teams within eight points of one another all the
way from Chelsea down to Brentford, so very interesting European races.
I thought for a minute there that Arsenal would kind
of get dragged back into the tidal race. That didn't happen.
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I thought for a minute there that Arsenal would get
kind of dragged back down to the forest Chelsea area.
I don't think that will happen. If you see some
of their fixtures coming up, I think they should be
able to to get some results. They have Everton coming up.
They play, they play fulla no it is, it is,
and Fulham's tricky also, but they get they get, they
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get Fulham.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
And Hall team they're as club.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
And they get the and they get the noon noon,
the lunchtime kickoff over over in London a couple of
weekends from now, uh at Everton. So yes, while they're boring,
boring Arsenal, I'm just very much looking forward to their
uh mouth watering tie against Real Madrid.
Speaker 9 (31:19):
I mean, yeah, I'm sure you are, you know, and
I actually you know, I was sitting there watching the
Real Atletico tie and I found myself rooting for Real
Madrid to win because I think that that Atletico plays
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football would have absolutely killed the tie, and I think
killed the way Arsenal play.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
I just don't think it would have been a stylistic
uh advantage for them if they're going to get Real Madrid.
It's kind of strength on strengths. So I mean they
can play finesse with finesse and if they if they break,
if they if they are able to break them down.
Do I expect him to go through? No? But are
they do the odds makers think that they have a chance. Yeah,
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because basically it's like Real Madrid or a slight favorite
in the tie to go through. So while you'll say
that they're boring right now, and let's.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Not talking about I know, what's the big like a
topic of Arsenal.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Yeah, well, there's not a there's not a ton of
drama going on. Sokker hopefully will come back soon. He's
been out way too long. I mean, they obviously have
striker issues. Marino scored against your squad, Malina, but and
he's and he scored too, and he scored to the
game before, and he's not a striker.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Robert Sanchez just experienced brain death and came back to like,
oh my god, I think that man has I got
a text from my Arsenal best friend during that game
and he said, I don't know how the fuck you
watch this every week? He said, I don't know either
my friends.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
It's it's it's weird because in the in the games
against Arsenal, excuse me, in the games against Tottenham and
Chelsea this year, Vicario had a boo boo and Sanchez
had a boo boo as well. Boy, if we can
just see both your.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Faces, would you take that? Kea?
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Yeah? Would you?
Speaker 6 (33:18):
You were asking me to pick between.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I would debble and like.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
I, who is really bad? I don't know just the
two worst options that you could possibly know?
Speaker 4 (33:30):
I Sanchez, I think I would Sanchez.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Let me let me just say this. Kepa to me
is in my personal See, there are some players that
I hold in my personal hall of fame. Balatelli is
won for just some things that they've pulled off on
the pitch to some wild antics. Kepa refusing to come
off in that penalty shootout is one of the all
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times he kept waving them off like he was Roger
Dorn in Major League. No, I'm not coming out for
a pinch runner. No, that's not happening. And finally, last
that was tremendous. It was yeah, you lost, just brilliant,
absolutely brilliant. But I do think and and and Brett
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and I have a have a mutual really good friend
who is a huge Chelsea fan, and.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
I look forward to the text every week of what
is Sanchez doing?
Speaker 6 (34:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:26):
What what is what is Sanchez doing? Exactly? That should
be the name of your Chelsea podcast, Sanchez Donna Podcast.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
And there's gonna be a segment weekly segment, what did
Robert do this week?
Speaker 5 (34:43):
That's good? No, that's good, and and it's uh yeah,
I think you I think you would take camp it
back if you had a gun to your head. I
think you would. I mean Sanchez misery. It's been it's
been so bad. But I mean, I mean, just back
to Arsenal for a second. I mean, yeah, you're right,
there's not a lot going on. I'm looking forward to
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their their European ties in a couple of weeks time,
and we'll see if they can get healthy. They do
have the first leg at home, so we'll sing.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Let's speaking of European trophies. I want to get your
thoughts on this because west Ham kind of the west
Ham one the Conference league right a couple of years
ago with Declan Rice if Spurs, let's say hypothetically, all right,
and it's not gonna happen but let's just say, let's
say Spurs win Europa. Can they sing Champions of Europe?
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You'll never sing that.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Can the big one before you sing that one?
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Yeah you can't, okay man, Yeah you got it.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Yeah, yeah, I think you can initially, but I don't
think it can be a running bit. I think you
can celebrate it like that, but it can't be a
running bit.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Do Spurs have one Europa before? So that is they
have a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah they're in the sixties, but yeah they do, so
champions of the sixties. You'll never sing that.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
You won the league in black and white. You won
the league and.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
This one the Arsenal Real Madrid tie. Take it from
someone who has.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Been there many times. I've been you know, I've won.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
At the Bernabow. We've never lost at the Burna be Well,
we have lost one time at the Bernabow.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
It sucks. It is horrible.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
It is infinitely worse than you can ever imagine, because
not only do you have to play some of the
best players in the world. The real Madrid juju is
unlike anything I've ever seen in my life. So not
only will you have to just be better, you have
to like conjure up your own black magic to thwart
the burna beow witchcraft and.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
People like I do.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
People don't understand it until they go there, and you're
like Man City, they were about to go to the
to the Champions League Final. What do you mean they
scored two goals in ninety seconds at the end of
the game.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
That only happens to them.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
It's like playing the Packers at Lambeau.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Well, hopefully Arsenal don't run into any hazards or hazards
as they entered the burner. Thank you very.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Much, Melina, thank you for coming on. Would do you
have any other trips to London? I had a trip
to London around this time. I didn't it didn't end
up happening. Now I'm happy I didn't book it because
of how toxic hats over there, so so it all
works out for a reason.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
So do you have any trips plan and what else
do you have going on?
Speaker 6 (37:29):
I actually do have a trip plan London in October
for my dad's birthday. My dad's a Liverpool fan and
so I am finagling some Liverpool tickets hopefully to take
him for his birthday.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
He's never been, so it'll be fine.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
But yeah, that's it. I'm not really up to much.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
That's risky.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Uh, getting a trip before the schedule comes out, that's
my big because what if you're on the road, you're
you're done for.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Oh they can go to Everton, they go to that
nice new stay. Yeah they can do that, right, Yeah,
that'll be fun. So planning planning trips to Europe are
always fun, especially for three people like us who have enjoyed.
Brett and I have been. Brett's been over there twice.
I've been over there once and obviously you've been over
there multiple times. So it's it's quite a trip and
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I'm sure. I'm sure you'll have a fun time with
your dad.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Schedule release day is a circle the calendar. Let's see
what we can do.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Day this year?
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Oh no, there we go.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Can't wait?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
So all right, well, Lea, thank you for coming on. Robbie,
thank you as always. So that wraps up another edition
as a London Club Council. Hopefully I'm more upbeats the
next time we talk, and hopefully with a win at
the Bridge.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Yeah, I'll keep dreaming.