December 11, 2024 • 48 mins
Welcome to the London Club Council! The FAN's Brett Blakemore and Robbie Rosenhaus are opposing fans in England's biggest rivalry. They have a full-on therapy session for Spurs and touch on the other big 6 clubs.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
We're at it again.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome to another meeting of the London Club Council. Now
representing Tottenham Hotspit.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
In this corner we do have Brett Blakemore and repping
Arsenal is Robbie Rosenhause.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
So boys, let the banter begin. Welcome into the NFC
North Round Table. I'm Brett Blakemore representing the Green Bay Packers,
thirteen time World champion, four time Super Bowl champion green
Bay Packers. Alongside me representing Minnesota Vikings. It's Riber Rosenhause. Oh,
this is our soccer podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Okay? Oh? No, okay, Well I thought the lines were
crossed there.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
You know, I was just expecting to talk about foot.
They said it was a football podcast, so I was
going to break down the Lions Packers game break down
Sam Darnold, you know, maybe talk a little Aaron Jones
in there. But I guess if we want to talk
about European football, that's fine too.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Was was it Kermit the Frog that said it ain't
easy being green Bay or it ain't easy being Ange?
I mean, which one are we going to go with today?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, let's just get right into it. I imagine this
is going to be at least eighty percent eighty percent
Spurs talk. Obviously, the match of the week was Spurs Chelsea,
which is always entertaining. No matter what they're all, drama
always ensues, something crazy happens every time these two teams
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get together, and this one was no different. I was
at Palmer's because I saw the shock and surprise when
we didn't get one defender back. We got two defenders
back in in Christian Romero and Mickey Van Devenn most
importantly and Shakhor. Neither one of them finished the match.
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They're both taken out with injury, one worse than the
other by the sounds of it. But two no lead
for Spurs and complete capitulation. Some of the worst penalties
conceded I think I've ever seen, especially, I mean, both
of them were awful and just let Chelsea right back
in the game. The The first goal for Chelsea was
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just great finish. I think maybe Vicario gets that, but
when it's off the post and then from outside the box,
you know it's one of those goals you just have
to Could they have closed down the space, sure, but
that's this one you got a tip your cap to.
When that second penalty was given, I walked out. I
didn't even see that. I still haven't seen what he
what Cole Palmer did on the pen, walked out of
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the bar, went home and that was it, because I
know it was. It was done, So yeah, get himself sucked.
I don't want to be here talking about it, to
be frank.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
With you, No, I know, well again this is.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
The second podcast. I don't want to be here.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
No, I understand, but again, and you know, your two
minutes synopsis there of the game kind of is a
microcosm of just how your entire season has gone. I mean,
and we can get into a lot of the things
that have gone wrong. We can get into the manager
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and some of the decisions. We can get into the defending.
But I wanted to start here, and I want to
go back to last season for a second, okay, and
I want to start with the manager because and we'll
get to the players, and I have a couple of
things to say about Van Devenn, about Romero, about some
of the other the midfield, which was a train wreck persuma,
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I mean giving the ball away and then going I mean,
just you.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Hear do you hear the commentators line? It was like
halfway through the first half. He said, this looks like
a weird footballing experiment where both teams are deciding not
to play with the midfield.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, it was. It was. It was awful until it
was fun until Chelsea turned it up in Lavia and
then he and they just started cruiting an Enzo and
it was it was quite a display in the second half.
One team turned up but one didn't. But I want
to go back to last season when Tottenham played Manchester
City late in the season and the fan base seemed
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to be divided as to the glimmer of hope that
you had to get into Champions League, but also hand
Arsenal the league by getting a result against Manchester City
and if you remember, and I know you do, and
just comments he could not believe the fans that were
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rooting against his club and the fact that he doesn't
get the history and he doesn't realize that that although
there were there have been thirty seven other matches played
in the season, that match Mathema could have given it
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obviously we know to their most bitter and hated rivals
and it would have been something that that Arsenal fans
could have held over Tottenham for decades to come. But
then tottena fans could have said, you know what, we
helped you win the league and what it just would
have been back and forth and it would have been
something that neither fan base could have avoided. I tracked
all the way back to that because if you take
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away the first couple of months of Andre's reign, his
record has not been good in the Premier League, and
I go back to just just the root issue and
the fact that couple you know, just strike out. But
again any but but when I go to when I
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when I say that any club can get a new
manager bounce, you know, and that's and that's something that's
common where you get you get a new manager in
and and away you go. Before we get to the players,
I want to focus in on the manager and going
back to that decision and just your unway and support
for Ange. I'm going to say it because you have
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been engine the entire way, and I would say in
the last couple of weeks there have been maybe a sliver,
a slight crack in the foundation of a gin for you.
But I still don't think even after this week, you're
in the Angou camp and I want you to tell
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our listeners, why you're still engine and why you still
believe that this is the path because how you explained it, Well,
if we just keep getting rid of managers, and you know,
we keep bringing in people, and we keep restarting it,
we're never going to be on that level. So are
you still angin?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Without a doubt? Unquestionably, there is no cracks in my
resolve for engine.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
There.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
What there were cracks in is I was concerned, and
I am a little more confident today than I was
last week, to be honest with you, because just are
the things I've heard and things I've read. Certain of
my cracks were I'm not sure Levy's gonna let him
finish it. I think Lev's gonna you know, because if
there's too much heat, Levy panics. We've seen that before.
(07:11):
Everything that I'm hearing, which is just me listening to
Alistair Gold's podcast and reading his articles. Everything that I'm
hearing not like I'm some insider.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Well we wouldn't think you'd be yeah, exactly three miles away.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Correct. Everything that I'm hearing is that the players are
still fully on board and vocally so, and that Spurs
aren't and Spurs and Levy still are backing him to
defend the things that rebuild, and they flushed the squad
in that first and they got rid of a lot
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of people, and it's show it's showing its teeth right
now because they didn't really replenish the dead wood that
they got rid of. And now with all the injury
concerns and stuff, now you're align on an eighteen year
old Archie Gray to come in and play d You're
relying on an eighteen year old Lucas Berghall, who are
great players, but not exactly for the now.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So to that point, Brett bringing in all these young
kids and looking at the long term view, does that
frustrate you as a fan where it's like, Okay, we
have these young kids and there for the future, but
we're eventually going to sell them, like I mean, we're
we're they're gonna be We're they're gonna get to if
they become great, or then they're gonna want to go
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to these other big clubs, and so you're never going
to really get the best years out of them. They
try to buy a proven striker in Selankey who has
done it in the Premier League, and you know, he's
getting his chances. I much beautiful he did. I'd much
rather see him as an out and out kind of
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number nine, rather than having to backtrack like like Harry
did all those years when he had to do a
ton of the work where the midfield and we talked
about the midfield. But is it then this goes to
the manager too, because he has his say in who
starts and also the recruitment. Do you do you think
it's more of the actual money being spent or do
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you think it's the strategy in bringing in these young
kids two to play early and and you see, I
mean they're they're in there. I mean, I mean Gray's
in there and berg Ball's in there. I mean they're
playing in the PREMI this isn't This isn't the Caravell Cup.
Like they're they're playing legitimate games and you're an eleventh
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right now, like this is this is not acceptable. If
if you're a Spurs fan who has seen yourself in
a Champions League final in the last decade and fought
for the Premier League, you know a few a few years,
you know this in the last and in the last
decade or so, so so where you are right now
with this manager, you know, is it the strategy or
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is it is it the money being spent.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I think the strategy and the money go hand in hand.
I think the strateg is around the money. I think
and look rebuilds. Everyone wants to rebuild until it's time
to rebuild, you know what I mean. Everyone says we
got to rebuild, we gotta flush the squad. And then
what comes around on the backside of that. Sometimes it's
not fun. Sometimes it's frustrating. Sometimes the results don't go
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your way. And I just think you just can't keep
reflushing the squad and calling for a rebuild and calling
for a new manager and a new project and then
never see it through. And I do think, you know,
the investment obviously could be better. Levy is prime suspect
number one. And if anyone thinks I'm a Levy sympathizer
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just because I don't really care about the season ticket
prices going up, You're wrong. He's got a huge he's
got the majority of a part to play in it.
He's been the one constant in this trophy drout has
been him. Everything else has changed. So yeah, the investment
needs to be better. The recruitment. Actually think the recruitment,
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they've hit on the players, like I think Bergvall is
going to be and Archie are going to be really
good players. But it's just ends. I think Selankey is
really good. Uh, Koleseevsky was really good. Like they've hit
on these players. There's just not been enough of them.
It's not been enough to sustain, to get through these
tough times, get through these injuries. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Well, speaking of the injuries, and you'll let me right
to my next point. Mickey manned then Okay, yeah, last
season missed a significant amount of time with a hamstring. Okay,
this season missed a significant amount of time again with
a hamstring comes.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Too fast for the human body.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, clearly, when he's out there, he is a Rolls Royce.
He is a great defender. He yes, he he is not,
you know, prone to egregious errors if it's because he
can obviously use his pace to make up for a lot.
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And the question I have for you, though, bred is
he's not reliable and and and and and I would
think that at some point you're gonna need to go
out and I know you've talked about potentially going out
and getting some some some help up front, but the
center backs and playing Archie Gray back there and Davis
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is hurt, and it just seems like the center back
depth is not there. And I think that is where
teams UH have have really attacked you. I mean, whether
it be on set pieces, whether it be from open play.
I mean some of the defending.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
There are some three teams in the Premier League that
have conceded less goals in Spurs this year.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
But no, but it's if you saw the way that
they played defense though Bran. I mean it was wide open.
I watched that entire match, take off to touchdown, and
the fact is in that second half. I mean in
the first half Chelse he could have had a few
other goals, but in the second half, I mean, forget
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about the penalties, I mean just some of the Forster
how to make a couple of saves. I just I
was appalled at how wide open. I mean, it just
seemed like Chelsea flipped the switch and Tottenham were And
I don't want to go back to the game and
kind of relitigate everything to happen, because we talked about
that in the first couple of minutes. Here but to
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throw away a two nil lead when you were basically
handed two goals on a silver platter, and again for.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Him, Okay, did slip, but they worked for him.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Listen, go Okay, I didn't, I didn't want to. Let
let me not exaggerate them. Okay, they were handed opportunities
and took advantage of them. Okay, that normally wouldn't have
been presented to them had the player not screwed out.
But again, that happened in a game all the time,
and they took advantage, and kudos to them. That doesn't
take anything away from the two nil lead, but I'm
going to take everything away from the fact that they
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they just it seemed like they weren't in They couldn't
complete a pass, they couldn't get out of their own end.
It was very, very frustrating to watch from a sort
of neutral point of view. I mean, I don't like
either club clearly as an Arsenal fan, but just rooting
for an entertaining match. And that's what we got back
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to Van Derven, like the center back depth, is that
something that is your number one most kind of alarming
squad kind of problem here at this moment, or do
you think it's in the midfield where we talked about
where kind of it was. It was. It was a
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disaster basically.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I mean, I think you could make an argument for
everywhere on the pitch. I think you could make an
argument for getting someone up front. I know that that
that I've read that that's the priority, is another body
up front. You could argue for midfield, for Bentencore being
race and being suspended for seven games because of that.
(15:03):
Guess what, Basuma, that's a penalty that was awful. That
was his fifth yellow card, So he's going to get
suspended for a game. So, I mean, the the hits
just keep coming. I don't even being out.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I don't even know if if I blame Besuma or
I blame Age. I mean, Ange was not the He
didn't bring Basuma in, that's not That's not a guy
that he signed. So he was there.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
That was a contest, and that Conte didn't use him.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Right, and so he was pre Ange and he threw
he threw him out there. I just again and Son,
I mean we.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Didn't tell him to go in for that challenge, no.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I mean, I mean it was Listen, the sar challenge
was I mean the Basuma challenge was awful. The Star challenge,
I wouldn't. I wouldn't tell uh kids in prior Lake
soccer down the road here to do? I mean back
to the goal. Where is Palmer going? He's not going anywhere.
I mean, if my team did that, I'd be furious.
I mean, because that's just it's just awful defending and
just awful decision making in a game that's so highly
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charged up that anything basically that's going to be borderline.
The referee is going to take a hard look at.
And I thought, I thought both calls as as I'm
sure you did. We're we're definitely worthy of penalties.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Penalties. Now I'll say this should have been sent off.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, that was awful. The fact that he got his
stud up like that. I mean, if he would have
connected with I forget what tot was it Sar, if
he would have connected with stars Shin, he could have
broken his leg. Now, anytime a stud comes up like that,
I'm always looking orange at worst, so that's you know,
and if it's yellow, then I'm mad.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
He didn't even get a yellow.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
He didn't, which was which was which was surreal. I mean,
just just a nasty nasty, nasty tackle. But you know,
just so, I wanted to ask you one more thing
on the match with the strategy when you went up
to Now, okay, no, I know.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
That what you're gonna ask me.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
The answers, No, so Nuno Spirito Santo who was your
manager for a brief amount of time right now he's
the manager.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
At five months.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah, he's the manager at nod in the Forest. Right,
do a pretty good job this year, right, Chris Wood
leading the line? Right, Okay, the Earth. But they go
up to Manchester United, right, they go up. It was
a three to one, right, go up three to one? No,
immediate immediately takes off his front line guys, puts five
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at the back and says, come and beat me, and
they held on. Now would you have preferred that Ange employed?
Obviously you're gonna tell me no because you just said.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
It about night where you were going.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
But again, you know we all who we all made
to dares to do well you dare to do and
you paid for it. So if you're going to play
like that every time and you're just gonna and you're
just gonna play, for lack of a better term, balls
to the wall. He kind of got what you asked for.
But I guess my answer, my question has already been answered.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Look here's what I want to get across with Ange too.
And this was something you know, back when I was
kind of exploring clubs and who I liked and who
I connected to, that mentality of Spurs and attacking football
spoke to me. And the fact that they want to
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play the game a certain way. I mean, this goes
back to you know, to Bill Nicholson, you know what
I mean, Like he kind of instilled this mentality into
this club of we play the game a certain way,
we play attacking football, we do things our way, and
if we're going to fail at doing that, then so
be it. Basically, and I think Ange was made to
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be a Tottenham manager for that mentality. I would rather
wait a little bit longer and win it our way, then,
you know, win one. I don't know. Maybe maybe that's
a preposterous statement, but I can. I think he fits
the club DNA way more than a Conte or a Marinho.
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Like the club DNA is something this first takes seriously,
or at least they used to until that brief run
of managers which I just mentioned.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
But and.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
An embodies to dares to do and I think just
giving up on that because I mean he was asked
point blank, I'll even go with this. He was asked
point blank and oppressor. I can't remember what it was. Was
a couple of months ago. He's he was asked, if
you're up to nil in the Champions League final, would
you sit back? And is that finally a situation where
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you would be more pragmatic? And he said, well, probably
the only reason we were up to Nils because the
way we were playing. He's like, what better way to
kill the game? Offen they get a third and you know,
to be fair, it was a complete capitulation and I
think the players should be ripped up and down left
and right for that Chelsea game. Yeah, I mean they
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had a handful of chances where they could have They
could have had three. Uh, there was a corner off
the score.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Dude, Sun has to score, he has to score. He
has to score that goal. Well, that makes the three
to three and then it's bananas from that from that
point and I believe that was in like the seventy
something minutes. You don't like that, yeah, yeah, so that
the biggest chance from me.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
They had some chances. This was definitely and I think
this is just credit to Chelsea. This was the first
game where you know, we had some rotten performances, you know,
rotten rotten performances the last month and change. But even
so in those we still had some possession. We had
I think the majority possession in most of them, City
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was close. I think we were like forty five percent,
which we just you know what a great game that was.
Remember that. I'm going to go back and watch those
highlights to feel joy. This was the first one We're
just lost in possession, and I think that is more
of a credit to Chelsea. But like I said, only
three teams have conceded less goals and Spurs in the
Premier League this year. So and that's the wide open
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thing is a little overrated.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Well that's that, and that's fair. And Chelsea ripped you apart.
And maybe that was just because I watched that match
start to finish, and I have not watched every single
Tottenham match start to finish, although I did watch a
lot of that Ipswitch match and they did not look good.
That was awful.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
But that's one goal conceded, you know what I mean? Yes,
that's offensive capitulation that game.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yes, and the first half of that game was was
was awful, but about your opponent. But before we get
to Arsenal, Brett Blake Moore and Robbie Rosens here in
the London Club Council as we recap a four to
three defeat by Spurs to Chelsea, who sit in second
place ahead of the Arsenal, and you could argue they're
in the best form of any domestic side in England
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right now in the Mare League. They are running hot,
they are scoring goals. They didn't they didn't keep a
clean sheet clearly against your club, but they had kept
a clean sheet the game the match before. And uh,
it looks like they have a decent run of games
coming up here and it does not look like they're
going away now. I said last week on the podcast
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that I did not put them in the title race.
And you see social media now the Chelsea fans, Oh no,
we don't. We don't want to be you know, we
don't want to be known in the title race. And
you know, we just want to go about our go
about our business and and but but you can't ignore it.
It's like it's like when you go on, America's got
talent or the voice, and you just stand out about everybody.
People are going to take you seriously. They're going to
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want to support you, and they're going to want to
see what you can do. And I have to give
you know them bouquets because they really have played well.
And and and like I said in our group chat
earlier today when we talked about where Chelsea would be
this week in Kazakhstan, halfway across the world, playing in
Conference League, they can afford to play younger players and
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guy zero zero degrees fahrenheit that guys that don't necessarily
play in the Premier League. So they have the perfect
scenario right now where they can focus strictly on the
league and obviously FA Cup and things like that. But
in European football they don't need to play their A
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guys against the likes of Astana and third and fourth
rate European clubs, where they can just boss that league
and they'll probably win the Conference League. And and yes,
and and that would have got them a berth in
the Europa League if they weren't already going to make
the Champions League, which now looks more and more likely
week by week. So just a couple of words on
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Chelsea and what you saw, without disparaging your club, just
kind of some kind words here, as hard as it
is gritting your teeth. I mean, they've been super impressive
and we'd be remiss to ignore their sense the last
month or two.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And I think I hint by the way, the the
the con or the controversial USA game here against Honduras
here in Minnesota that was six degrees fahrenheit. Chelsea would
be playing in zero degrees right, so slightly different there,
and they're Honduras's keeper had to be subbed out for
hypothermia that game, so well, we'll see how that goes.
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But the US decided to play here in February. I
went it was fun regardless, So good luck playing in
that game, Chelsea. I hope you have fun. But I
think I kind of hinted that at already that Chelsea
that was the first game that they that Spurs were
Boston possession, you know what I mean? Yeah, No, I
think that has a lot to do. I mean, they
are just a quality side. Palmer is unbelievable. Yeah, they're
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one hundred say it or not, They're one hundred percent
in the mix for the title race, whether or not
they're going to be in it, you know in April,
who knows. But as it stands right now, one hundred percent,
they're in their form. Yeah, without a doubt. They're well
well Sanchez.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah they well, they have about eighteen keepers on on
their payroll right now, at about half of them on loan.
And and but we'll see what happens when they go
to Astana, uh and play frost by de FC. Moving
on to the arsenal. A draw against Fulham. This is
an informed Fulham side that has gotten results against some
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big sides in the last month or so. They sit
in the top half of the table. They sit above
your club at this at this moment, and uh they
the arsenal did not create a ton of chances. Uh late.
I mean you could say his whole body was offside.
I don't know it was looking at it. I don't
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know what you were looking at, but I was looking
at it. It was exceedingly close. I mean, and it
wasn't it wasn't halfway down his body and not and
nothing that he did affected the play. He was running
to get back on site, you know, law Robbin. But
but all I'm saying is that it wasn't the most
agreat I understand, off sides is offsides, just like running
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a red light is running a red light. I get that,
but it pains me more because it was such a
nice goal and it was such a great feed and
the fact that that was taken from us out of
London rival, I thought, really stunted a lot of the
good feelings that had been kind of brewing at the club.
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And now kind of it's been a stop start and
now they fall into third. You know, cities still have
their issues. You know, Liverpool they didn't play this week
because of the torrential rains that were up north, so
that match will be rescheduled for later this year, but
it could be tricky. I mean, who knows how everything
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will be playing later this year, who knows who will
be injured? And you know right now, I mean we
both would have thought that Liverpool would have went into
Goodison Park and did the job, but who knows what
will happen this year when it does get rescheduled. But
just kind of looking at Arsenal and kind of seeing
where they are. I mean, there's a reason why we
started with your club and spend twenty minutes on them.
It's because there's not a ton really to mention. I
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mean the fact that I don't have a healthy right
back and they played Thomas Party back. There is a problem.
I mean, you know, these guys can't stay healthy's and
Chenko's another one that comes back one game, can't stay healthy.
Tomyasu's played five minutes this year and that was when
I was at the match against Southampton.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
He made them Yeah, but if you're going to figure
at ams.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I'm not kidding. Tomoyasu, our first choice right back, has
played I believe five to ten minutes this year, and
they were at the match that I was at back
in October. Well, he came on for a cameo, he
waved high to Robbie Rosenhouse and then he went off
and sat in his seat. But Arsenal still sitting third.
I still think they're in the title race there. They
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still have the firepower, they still have clearly the defense.
They've been without Gabriel the last couple of games, so
that clearly with the partnership that he's formed with Saliba,
that they missed that a little bit. Just like you
know that when you're putting in second choice center backs
and you don't have the likes of a World Cup
winner or the fastest man on the planet. I mean
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that it hurts. It hurts, just like when Arsenal and
missing Odegarde and people have people have criticized, you know,
the fact that they don't have another midfielder who can
really step in and do what he does. I mean,
he's a special player, so what he's missing. A lot
of the chances they create, especially from open play, go away.
But he's back healthy. They still should have won that match.
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I'm a little disappointed. But this week they take on
arrested Everton's side, and and and we'll see what happens
up at Goodison Park their last trip up to Goodison
and with Chelsea playing on Sunday and Liverpool playing after
after that as well, Arsenal will have a chance to
close the gap on both of those two squads.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
How much XG do you think Arsenal created from open
play against Fulham?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Probably under one we've talked about this and zero point
two right, So Fulham in that good right side right
they did a really good job of clamping down and
there was it seemed like they were trying to feed
everything down the right flank and it just wasn't working,
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and there was a lot of balls in soccer's court.
There was a lot of in his area of the
pitch where he likes to work down that right side.
But it just seemed like there wasn't a lot going
on in the in the middle of the park. Oder
Guard didn't have a ton of chances. Haverts was not
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too involved. There wasn't a ton going on. I just
there wasn't a lot created that as you said, from
open play. You know, they scored the one goal obviously
on the set piece. They should have scored the second
one from open play that was off sides. But again
they're they're not churning out the results like they were
last year or even two years ago. So it just
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figures that they're not the machine that they were the
last two years. When city completely falls off, and again
that's just bad luck or or bad karma or just
I don't know at this point how to put my
finger on why they're not beating these mid table sides
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like Bournemouth when they went to But I know that's
a tough place to play and a big sides have
gone there. But look looking ahead, they have Monaco as
we tape this on Tuesday. They have Monaco on Wednesday,
and they're gonna look to be in that top eight
that gets that buy and doesn't have to play those
knockout rounds in February. Liverpool we know is going to
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be there. They have. They just won again today in
Spain in Girona. They're six wins from six games in
the Champions League, very very impressive. They have to be
viewed as one of the favorites, if not the favorite,
to win it, alongside of clubs like Real Madrid. So
I know I'll be looking forward to that match tomorrow
and see if Arcelal can get back uh to their
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winning ways at least and continue their winning ways in
Europe and get back to their winning ways this week
against Everton, who's much lower than them in the tables.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
And my squad on Thursday back in Europa League against
Rangers up in Scotland. That could be a little fiery.
You've got and former Celtic manager Fraser Forrester, former Celtic keeper,
so there could be some could be some fireworks.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
This is a third, This is a third for sure,
but this is the third place Rangers team. This is
not a dominant ranger side that has won games in
the Champions League before. I mean, they're europe the league
for a reason. Should should be able to go up
there and get the victory. I don't see it, and
I don't see any I know that they had their
problems in Turkey. I mean I know that that that's.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
A good side and is one of the best strikers
in the world.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
They had their I know, yeah, no doubt about it,
and they're allowed that. But I expect him to go
up to Scotland and get a result and continue to
kind of push their way towards uh a, a Europa League,
you know, quarterfinals and then and then and then so
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on and so forth, a run that they're certainly capable
of against sides that they should be able to dominate,
even with a weekend side without let's say Van der
Ben who got hurt or former Merrow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Can I briefly, because we didn't mention, can I say
the thing that Romero said because he had some interesting comments.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, very yeah. Yeah, So let's talk about a little
bit as we as we kind of transition. Well, we
started with a lot of times. Well listen, I knew
that this was this is big going to be no
but this was going to be a Tottenham heavy episode,
as we discussed before we went on the air. I mean,
there's not a lot going on with my club right now.
I mean, they sit in third, they come off a
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draw against Fulham, and they're gonna take on Everton this week,
and they take on Monaco tomorrow in a Champions League
where they've done well, and I firmly expect them to
get one of the eight buys along with Liverpool, which
we just mentioned. All the noises around your club right now,
I mean there's no two ways around it. I mean,
Tottenham Hotspur should not be sitting at eleventh, and despite
me picking them much lower than you thought, and we're
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not out at the station right now, but you'd be
hitting the gasp when I predicted them, I don't know,
seventh or eighth or whatever it was, and you said
I was nuts. Now, maybe that was a little bit
of wishful thinking, and and nobody in their right mind
would ever think Tottenham Hotspur would finish eleventh or even
sit at eleventh at this point, which is why people
are freaking out. But you don't seem to be freaking
out and jin and just back to your club for
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a second. I mean, they have a winnable match this week.
It's Sunday, It's it's it's the late match. And I
firmly expect him to get three points in the Europa
League this week and get three points on Sunday and
you'll be back on track. And next week it's party
time on this on this episode, on this podcast, because
I think they'll be back to winning ways. Do you
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see them slipping up this week or do you see
a full.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Six points a hundred percent that could slip up. It's
it's completely not out of the question, especially with the injuries.
But I want to talk about Romero and I'm paraphrasing here.
The quotes are easily looked upable, but basically a he
retweeted something and then immediately unretweeted it that basically confirmed
he's he would leave the club if they fired in
(34:49):
like he's something along the lines of he's the only
one that's had ambition at the club, so take that
for whatever you want. But the other thing, and he said,
literally he just ripped Levy to shreds publicly on a
Telemundo of all places said that. You know, it's always
the same thing when there's troubles, it's the manager, it's
(35:12):
the staff, it's the players, and no one talks about
who's really responsible. I think is the words Brett.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
He's an employee. He needs to shut up. That's my
view on it. He needs to shut his mouth and
you can't. And you know what, to be honest with you, Brett,
he's put in. He's mailed in some performances too. Now now,
there have been some matches when he's been awesome in
big matches. I remember specifically there have been a couple
of matches against Manchester City against Arsenal when he was
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in there and he was playing very very well. You
know as well as I do. If you're going out
there and you're mailing it in some of these games,
you have no right to speak like that, especially to
an outlet in in your home country where you know
it's going to get back. It's just causing more noise,
just like Paedro Poro and we can get to that too,
and that kind of factors it deleting his his his
(36:00):
x account because he retweeted some Squawk of Football tweet
about how he was involved in the most Premier League
goals by a Tottenham defender since whenever. And this goes
all the way back to Brennan Johnson. I mean earlier
this season when he deactivated his Instagram, when your fan
base basically turned on him, and then he just scored,
kept scoring goal after goal after goal and not really celebrating,
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and it was like a silent protest, like I'd never
want my players to feel like that, and it just
it just seems like it's too toxic at this moment
and your fans. While I love the passion and I
understand that you want them to do well and you
wanted to play attractive football, and you know, but you
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but well did well. You want them to do well
and you wanted to play attractive football. I didn't lie there.
You all do. You all do. But Rameiro needs to
shut his mouth. And I think that everybody just needs
to come together and harmony because it just seems like
everybody's pulling in one different direction, and one day after
the next, it's one story after the other, and there's
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a lot of noise around your squad. I just think
if you eliminated that, I mean, we got that going on,
not to mention the not to throw in the NHL here,
we got a lot of that going on with the
New York Rangers, where they're trading players, putting them on waivers,
trade rumors, Brady Kuchuk, will they trade for him? Soft tampering,
I mean, all this noise that goes on. You just
want to get the players out there and play and
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channel what they did against Manchester City, you know, and
channel what they did for the first you know, fifteen
to twenty minutes of that game against Chelsea where they
took advantage of some Chelsea slip ups. I don't know, Ill, literally,
I don't know Brett. To me, i'd be a confused
fan right now if I was you and just I
don't know which way is up, And anytime I watched Tottenham,
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I have no idea what to expect, and I'm not
sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing,
because I've had that before with the Vikings when they've
had bad defenses. Because now this year they do not
to the NFL, we go I'm trying to check off
all the other sports on my big goal card because
if I mentioned baseball in the NBA, by the end
of this I may yell bingo, But just going back
to the NFL, if the Vikings or the Packers don't
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have a good defense, you don't know what you're going
to get because the team can allow thirty forty points
at any point and right now, your defense, whether it
be healthy or not, I don't see them, as you said.
I know that they've allowed the third fewest, but they're
not getting the results and something, something is not right.
And we've tried to break this down for forty minutes
(38:36):
now mostly and I don't think that we've come up
with a singular answer as to who's responsible. But if
we had like a kind of a pie chart to blame,
I would put most of it on the players. And
I think you're right that, and is just you know,
he's he's taking a lot of the bullets because he
is the face of the club and and even own.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
The transfers for the younger kids instead of me. And
he fell on the sword for that, which, by the way, again,
for whatever it's worth, Conte would have never done that.
Marinho would have never done that. I mean, is that
worth three points in the standing snow? But I don't know.
I just I think everyone wants to rebuild until it's
time to rebuild. And when you go through refreshing the squad,
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there's going to be results in stretches like this, especially
when injury starts to stack up. And even when they
weren't stacking up, the results were still sometimes like this.
But I just want them to see something through, to
be different and to stick to you know, if to
dares to do is their motto, they should stick through
this and be brave and stick through this and see
a project through. And is not a trophy manager. He's
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not a conte he's not a come in and magically
fix it. He is a project manager. That's what he does.
That's what he's done ever's been is build something new.
And how are you bringing in a project manager and
then say, oh it's not instantly working. Oh you're on
it here, buddy, I get the results. I haven't been there.
But he's a project guy.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Okay, Okay. So so to wrap up this Tottenham portion
of the segment here before we touch on a couple
more things and then say goodbye for this week looking
at the overall season, okay, And I don't want the
answer of winning a trophy. I don't want that to
be the answer to the question. I'm going to post
(40:26):
what defines success for you this season? Besides besides winning
a trophy?
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, because that's obvious.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I mean if I if I asked you that, then
you know what, we can find two people on the
street that that that can do a Vikings podcast and
we can have them say, well, what defines success for you?
Winning the Super Bowl? All right, that's nice. This segment
was sponsor by Quick Trip. Okay, so yeah, all right,
and we left Quick.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Trip, yes, driven by Plowers. Yeah, anything like that. I've
been working on my PA no, my success. I mean,
here's here's the thing. And we talked with this before
we hit record. The goalposts move right. So when am
said I want to win everything and I always win
things my second year, then everyone goes arrogant, naive? What
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a loser? Like? What an idiot? Not a loser? What
an idiot? Basically? How arrogant is that? But if he
would have came out and said what success for me, Well,
just if we make some progress, that'd be nice. Loser
mentality doesn't have any ambition, So to ask me what
success is but not trophy, you're kind of paint me
in a to have a loser mentality, So I to
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be honest, I think seeing more progress of what the
project is and physically being able to see the eye
test and be like, I know this is going in
the right direction at this point in the season. I
think that would be a good turnaround to then go
into the next season, hopefully have a good transfer window,
and go from there.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Again and again, they said at eleven, but it's not
like they're, you know, fifteen to twenty points out of
you know, fifth or sixth or whatever you know there, Yeah, exactly,
So I don't have the table in front of me,
but I'm sure they're only you know, six or seven
points out of the top six or something something or
something along those lines.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
But be the sex they are five points, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Five points that yes, So I said, yeah, so be
that as it may you. I think the answer is
you want to see more consistency. And I know we've
talked about that week after weeek after week week, and
that's what I've seen from Arsenal the last couple of years.
Now this year it's been a little more stop start,
but the last couple of years that's what I was
seeing every week, whether it be a dominant performance or
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whether it be late winners. That's how they were able
to stay at the top of the league for so
long until late in the season when obviously things didn't
go their way. City overtook them. And that was that.
From from what I see from Tom and them, they
certainly have it in them. But it's it seems like
they have to play a perfect brand a football. And
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just because it seems like to me Brett and and
and again I don't I don't want to go on
too too long on on on how they play, but
it's it just seems like Spurs are the perfect team
and they and this is it's funny because and we'll
we'll and we'll finish up after this, because because we've
been going on. But just just an overarching question here,
(43:33):
because I should have asked this before. But wouldn't it
help them if they get ahead in somebody like like
that game right like against Chelsea. Right they're they're ahead
to now right tid them. All they want to do
is play on the counter like that's that's It's like
they have guys playing they for Johnson up the wing,
(43:56):
Son up, like.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
We want to have the ball. We don't no, but Werner.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
And like they can send guys through and you doggy
and just I mean just send I mean they have
a lot of team speeds, So wouldn't you think that
like that would play into their hands so perfectly. But
again they aside from this Chelsea match, they have not
gotten the head in a lot of these matches. Now,
if they were to get ahead against lesser sides, and
(44:22):
I'm and I'm saying, I'm not saying that this couldn't
happen against Chelsea, but it didn't be. They weren't able
to hit them on the counter because Chelsea were that
good and they were scoring goals. But if you have
lesser sides and you get the lead against them, you.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Could expose those teams and you can score a lot
of a lot of goals. And just like they did
against City.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Look at the City match, right, City were chasing the
game and all of a sudden, boom you hit them
on the counter. Boom, Madison, boom, Like that's that's the
that's the blueprint, right, Like that's the isn't it or not?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
I think we hit them on the us I think
is what happened. I think and I think the same
thing with the Cuckaria goals. Yeah, he slipped one hundred percent.
But the only reason they could take advantage of that
is because we were so high, pressed up in their grill.
And I think we caused a lot of turnovers against
City where where the keeper had to play it long,
which then spurs win that send it right back yet, right,
(45:21):
So I think that's the idea. Is the press more
than it is the absorb and then counter like we
would against Kante. We want to press, cause a turnover
and then spring even more in your face. So I
wouldn't really call it a counter, but your point still
stands that that is kind of the blueprint and have
a lot of ideally would like to have all the
(45:41):
ball the whole time. That's number one, right. Then number
two is, well, if we can't have the whole ball,
if we can have the ball the whole time, then
we want to press and take the ball. I would
be willing to bet their top three in the league.
I don't have the stats right in front of me
of winning the possession and the opponent's third. I bet
my life on it that the at least top three,
if not top one at that So that's kind of
(46:04):
the game plan. Again, I just I don't see how
it would help anybody to hit the reset button yet again. Okay,
it's everything that I'm hearing from the players to upstairs
and Romero publicly defending him, Sonny publicly defending him. And
it's not the you know, you know how it is
(46:25):
in the NFL where he's our quarterback and then a
week later he's the backup, you know what I mean.
It's not the oh, here we go there, it's the
vote of confidence. So now he's gone, Like, to me,
this feels like, no, this is the project we're working on,
and it's a project, not a insta turnaround trophy manager type.
Wow's my thing.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Well, we started the episode with Ange, we ended the
episode with Ange, and I think it's fitting because your
club and your manager right now are in the crosshairs.
And if we're not talking about Wolves, or we're not
talking about west Ham who just beat Wolves, those two
managers low Paateagy and Gary O'Neil right now are the
(47:07):
only two managers with lower odds to be sacked than
Ange pastacocu so and fourth on that list, by the way,
is Eddie Howe. Now I'm not exactly sure why that
would be. Potentially he would go and take again, I
don't I don't know, maybe in the mix for I
(47:28):
know they just hired somebody else for England, but I
thought that perhaps he was in the mix for that.
But again the top three are ang Gary O'Neil and
Julian lopategy at west Ham. But again you're talking about
not being in trouble your team engine and that's kind
of one of the get out of you in this
Tottenham therapy session. I thought I was fair and balanced,
(47:49):
like Fox News just kidding.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
That's their slogan. Yeah, don't get mad at us because
I said it.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
But no me, I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Yeah exactly, well us we you know, yeah, but no,
this was a fun episode of the London Club Council
and this was a Tottenham therapy session. And we'll be
back next week. I'm predicting right now and Brett can
clip this that Tottenham gets the win over Rangers and
get the win on Sunday in the Premier League to
get six points and it's a happy Brett Blake Moore
(48:19):
next week as we tape another edition of the London
Club Council for a not so jubilant Brett Blake Moore
and a sort of jubilant Robbie Rosenhaus. This has been
another episode of the London Club Council.
We're at it again.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome to another meeting of the London Club Council. Now
representing Tottenham Hotspit.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
In this corner we do have Brett Blakemore and repping
Arsenal is Robbie Rosenhause.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
So boys, let the banter begin. Welcome into the NFC
North Round Table. I'm Brett Blakemore representing the Green Bay Packers,
thirteen time World champion, four time Super Bowl champion green
Bay Packers. Alongside me representing Minnesota Vikings. It's Riber Rosenhause. Oh,
this is our soccer podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Okay? Oh? No, okay, Well I thought the lines were
crossed there.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
You know, I was just expecting to talk about foot.
They said it was a football podcast, so I was
going to break down the Lions Packers game break down
Sam Darnold, you know, maybe talk a little Aaron Jones
in there. But I guess if we want to talk
about European football, that's fine too.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Was was it Kermit the Frog that said it ain't
easy being green Bay or it ain't easy being Ange?
I mean, which one are we going to go with today?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, let's just get right into it. I imagine this
is going to be at least eighty percent eighty percent
Spurs talk. Obviously, the match of the week was Spurs Chelsea,
which is always entertaining. No matter what they're all, drama
always ensues, something crazy happens every time these two teams
(01:33):
get together, and this one was no different. I was
at Palmer's because I saw the shock and surprise when
we didn't get one defender back. We got two defenders
back in in Christian Romero and Mickey Van Devenn most
importantly and Shakhor. Neither one of them finished the match.
(01:57):
They're both taken out with injury, one worse than the
other by the sounds of it. But two no lead
for Spurs and complete capitulation. Some of the worst penalties
conceded I think I've ever seen, especially, I mean, both
of them were awful and just let Chelsea right back
in the game. The The first goal for Chelsea was
(02:19):
just great finish. I think maybe Vicario gets that, but
when it's off the post and then from outside the box,
you know it's one of those goals you just have
to Could they have closed down the space, sure, but
that's this one you got a tip your cap to.
When that second penalty was given, I walked out. I
didn't even see that. I still haven't seen what he
what Cole Palmer did on the pen, walked out of
(02:41):
the bar, went home and that was it, because I
know it was. It was done, So yeah, get himself sucked.
I don't want to be here talking about it, to
be frank.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
With you, No, I know, well again this is.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
The second podcast. I don't want to be here.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
No, I understand, but again, and you know, your two
minutes synopsis there of the game kind of is a
microcosm of just how your entire season has gone. I mean,
and we can get into a lot of the things
that have gone wrong. We can get into the manager
(03:19):
and some of the decisions. We can get into the defending.
But I wanted to start here, and I want to
go back to last season for a second, okay, and
I want to start with the manager because and we'll
get to the players, and I have a couple of
things to say about Van Devenn, about Romero, about some
of the other the midfield, which was a train wreck persuma,
(03:43):
I mean giving the ball away and then going I mean,
just you.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Hear do you hear the commentators line? It was like
halfway through the first half. He said, this looks like
a weird footballing experiment where both teams are deciding not
to play with the midfield.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, it was. It was. It was awful until it
was fun until Chelsea turned it up in Lavia and
then he and they just started cruiting an Enzo and
it was it was quite a display in the second half.
One team turned up but one didn't. But I want
to go back to last season when Tottenham played Manchester
City late in the season and the fan base seemed
(04:18):
to be divided as to the glimmer of hope that
you had to get into Champions League, but also hand
Arsenal the league by getting a result against Manchester City
and if you remember, and I know you do, and
just comments he could not believe the fans that were
(04:41):
rooting against his club and the fact that he doesn't
get the history and he doesn't realize that that although
there were there have been thirty seven other matches played
in the season, that match Mathema could have given it
(05:01):
obviously we know to their most bitter and hated rivals
and it would have been something that that Arsenal fans
could have held over Tottenham for decades to come. But
then tottena fans could have said, you know what, we
helped you win the league and what it just would
have been back and forth and it would have been
something that neither fan base could have avoided. I tracked
all the way back to that because if you take
(05:23):
away the first couple of months of Andre's reign, his
record has not been good in the Premier League, and
I go back to just just the root issue and
the fact that couple you know, just strike out. But
again any but but when I go to when I
(05:43):
when I say that any club can get a new
manager bounce, you know, and that's and that's something that's
common where you get you get a new manager in
and and away you go. Before we get to the players,
I want to focus in on the manager and going
back to that decision and just your unway and support
for Ange. I'm going to say it because you have
(06:03):
been engine the entire way, and I would say in
the last couple of weeks there have been maybe a sliver,
a slight crack in the foundation of a gin for you.
But I still don't think even after this week, you're
in the Angou camp and I want you to tell
(06:25):
our listeners, why you're still engine and why you still
believe that this is the path because how you explained it, Well,
if we just keep getting rid of managers, and you know,
we keep bringing in people, and we keep restarting it,
we're never going to be on that level. So are
you still angin?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Without a doubt? Unquestionably, there is no cracks in my
resolve for engine.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
There.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
What there were cracks in is I was concerned, and
I am a little more confident today than I was
last week, to be honest with you, because just are
the things I've heard and things I've read. Certain of
my cracks were I'm not sure Levy's gonna let him
finish it. I think Lev's gonna you know, because if
there's too much heat, Levy panics. We've seen that before.
(07:11):
Everything that I'm hearing, which is just me listening to
Alistair Gold's podcast and reading his articles. Everything that I'm
hearing not like I'm some insider.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Well we wouldn't think you'd be yeah, exactly three miles away.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Correct. Everything that I'm hearing is that the players are
still fully on board and vocally so, and that Spurs
aren't and Spurs and Levy still are backing him to
defend the things that rebuild, and they flushed the squad
in that first and they got rid of a lot
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of people, and it's show it's showing its teeth right
now because they didn't really replenish the dead wood that
they got rid of. And now with all the injury
concerns and stuff, now you're align on an eighteen year
old Archie Gray to come in and play d You're
relying on an eighteen year old Lucas Berghall, who are
great players, but not exactly for the now.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So to that point, Brett bringing in all these young
kids and looking at the long term view, does that
frustrate you as a fan where it's like, Okay, we
have these young kids and there for the future, but
we're eventually going to sell them, like I mean, we're
we're they're gonna be We're they're gonna get to if
they become great, or then they're gonna want to go
(08:26):
to these other big clubs, and so you're never going
to really get the best years out of them. They
try to buy a proven striker in Selankey who has
done it in the Premier League, and you know, he's
getting his chances. I much beautiful he did. I'd much
rather see him as an out and out kind of
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number nine, rather than having to backtrack like like Harry
did all those years when he had to do a
ton of the work where the midfield and we talked
about the midfield. But is it then this goes to
the manager too, because he has his say in who
starts and also the recruitment. Do you do you think
it's more of the actual money being spent or do
(09:11):
you think it's the strategy in bringing in these young
kids two to play early and and you see, I
mean they're they're in there. I mean, I mean Gray's
in there and berg Ball's in there. I mean they're
playing in the PREMI this isn't This isn't the Caravell Cup.
Like they're they're playing legitimate games and you're an eleventh
(09:31):
right now, like this is this is not acceptable. If
if you're a Spurs fan who has seen yourself in
a Champions League final in the last decade and fought
for the Premier League, you know a few a few years,
you know this in the last and in the last
decade or so, so so where you are right now
with this manager, you know, is it the strategy or
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is it is it the money being spent.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I think the strategy and the money go hand in hand.
I think the strateg is around the money. I think
and look rebuilds. Everyone wants to rebuild until it's time
to rebuild, you know what I mean. Everyone says we
got to rebuild, we gotta flush the squad. And then
what comes around on the backside of that. Sometimes it's
not fun. Sometimes it's frustrating. Sometimes the results don't go
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your way. And I just think you just can't keep
reflushing the squad and calling for a rebuild and calling
for a new manager and a new project and then
never see it through. And I do think, you know,
the investment obviously could be better. Levy is prime suspect
number one. And if anyone thinks I'm a Levy sympathizer
(10:41):
just because I don't really care about the season ticket
prices going up, You're wrong. He's got a huge he's
got the majority of a part to play in it.
He's been the one constant in this trophy drout has
been him. Everything else has changed. So yeah, the investment
needs to be better. The recruitment. Actually think the recruitment,
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they've hit on the players, like I think Bergvall is
going to be and Archie are going to be really
good players. But it's just ends. I think Selankey is
really good. Uh, Koleseevsky was really good. Like they've hit
on these players. There's just not been enough of them.
It's not been enough to sustain, to get through these
tough times, get through these injuries. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Well, speaking of the injuries, and you'll let me right
to my next point. Mickey manned then Okay, yeah, last
season missed a significant amount of time with a hamstring. Okay,
this season missed a significant amount of time again with
a hamstring comes.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Too fast for the human body.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, clearly, when he's out there, he is a Rolls Royce.
He is a great defender. He yes, he he is not,
you know, prone to egregious errors if it's because he
can obviously use his pace to make up for a lot.
(11:57):
And the question I have for you, though, bred is
he's not reliable and and and and and I would
think that at some point you're gonna need to go
out and I know you've talked about potentially going out
and getting some some some help up front, but the
center backs and playing Archie Gray back there and Davis
(12:20):
is hurt, and it just seems like the center back
depth is not there. And I think that is where
teams UH have have really attacked you. I mean, whether
it be on set pieces, whether it be from open play.
I mean some of the defending.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
There are some three teams in the Premier League that
have conceded less goals in Spurs this year.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
But no, but it's if you saw the way that
they played defense though Bran. I mean it was wide open.
I watched that entire match, take off to touchdown, and
the fact is in that second half. I mean in
the first half Chelse he could have had a few
other goals, but in the second half, I mean, forget
(13:03):
about the penalties, I mean just some of the Forster
how to make a couple of saves. I just I
was appalled at how wide open. I mean, it just
seemed like Chelsea flipped the switch and Tottenham were And
I don't want to go back to the game and
kind of relitigate everything to happen, because we talked about
that in the first couple of minutes. Here but to
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throw away a two nil lead when you were basically
handed two goals on a silver platter, and again for.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Him, Okay, did slip, but they worked for him.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Listen, go Okay, I didn't, I didn't want to. Let
let me not exaggerate them. Okay, they were handed opportunities
and took advantage of them. Okay, that normally wouldn't have
been presented to them had the player not screwed out.
But again, that happened in a game all the time,
and they took advantage, and kudos to them. That doesn't
take anything away from the two nil lead, but I'm
going to take everything away from the fact that they
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they just it seemed like they weren't in They couldn't
complete a pass, they couldn't get out of their own end.
It was very, very frustrating to watch from a sort
of neutral point of view. I mean, I don't like
either club clearly as an Arsenal fan, but just rooting
for an entertaining match. And that's what we got back
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to Van Derven, like the center back depth, is that
something that is your number one most kind of alarming
squad kind of problem here at this moment, or do
you think it's in the midfield where we talked about
where kind of it was. It was. It was a
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disaster basically.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I mean, I think you could make an argument for
everywhere on the pitch. I think you could make an
argument for getting someone up front. I know that that
that I've read that that's the priority, is another body
up front. You could argue for midfield, for Bentencore being
race and being suspended for seven games because of that.
(15:03):
Guess what, Basuma, that's a penalty that was awful. That
was his fifth yellow card, So he's going to get
suspended for a game. So, I mean, the the hits
just keep coming. I don't even being out.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I don't even know if if I blame Besuma or
I blame Age. I mean, Ange was not the He
didn't bring Basuma in, that's not That's not a guy
that he signed. So he was there.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
That was a contest, and that Conte didn't use him.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Right, and so he was pre Ange and he threw
he threw him out there. I just again and Son,
I mean we.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Didn't tell him to go in for that challenge, no.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I mean, I mean it was Listen, the sar challenge
was I mean the Basuma challenge was awful. The Star challenge,
I wouldn't. I wouldn't tell uh kids in prior Lake
soccer down the road here to do? I mean back
to the goal. Where is Palmer going? He's not going anywhere.
I mean, if my team did that, I'd be furious.
I mean, because that's just it's just awful defending and
just awful decision making in a game that's so highly
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charged up that anything basically that's going to be borderline.
The referee is going to take a hard look at.
And I thought, I thought both calls as as I'm
sure you did. We're we're definitely worthy of penalties.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Penalties. Now I'll say this should have been sent off.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, that was awful. The fact that he got his
stud up like that. I mean, if he would have
connected with I forget what tot was it Sar, if
he would have connected with stars Shin, he could have
broken his leg. Now, anytime a stud comes up like that,
I'm always looking orange at worst, so that's you know,
and if it's yellow, then I'm mad.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
He didn't even get a yellow.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
He didn't, which was which was which was surreal. I mean,
just just a nasty nasty, nasty tackle. But you know,
just so, I wanted to ask you one more thing
on the match with the strategy when you went up
to Now, okay, no, I know.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
That what you're gonna ask me.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
The answers, No, so Nuno Spirito Santo who was your
manager for a brief amount of time right now he's
the manager.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
At five months.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah, he's the manager at nod in the Forest. Right,
do a pretty good job this year, right, Chris Wood
leading the line? Right, Okay, the Earth. But they go
up to Manchester United, right, they go up. It was
a three to one, right, go up three to one? No,
immediate immediately takes off his front line guys, puts five
(17:38):
at the back and says, come and beat me, and
they held on. Now would you have preferred that Ange employed?
Obviously you're gonna tell me no because you just said.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
It about night where you were going.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
But again, you know we all who we all made
to dares to do well you dare to do and
you paid for it. So if you're going to play
like that every time and you're just gonna and you're
just gonna play, for lack of a better term, balls
to the wall. He kind of got what you asked for.
But I guess my answer, my question has already been answered.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Look here's what I want to get across with Ange too.
And this was something you know, back when I was
kind of exploring clubs and who I liked and who
I connected to, that mentality of Spurs and attacking football
spoke to me. And the fact that they want to
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play the game a certain way. I mean, this goes
back to you know, to Bill Nicholson, you know what
I mean, Like he kind of instilled this mentality into
this club of we play the game a certain way,
we play attacking football, we do things our way, and
if we're going to fail at doing that, then so
be it. Basically, and I think Ange was made to
(18:53):
be a Tottenham manager for that mentality. I would rather
wait a little bit longer and win it our way, then,
you know, win one. I don't know. Maybe maybe that's
a preposterous statement, but I can. I think he fits
the club DNA way more than a Conte or a Marinho.
(19:15):
Like the club DNA is something this first takes seriously,
or at least they used to until that brief run
of managers which I just mentioned.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
But and.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
An embodies to dares to do and I think just
giving up on that because I mean he was asked
point blank, I'll even go with this. He was asked
point blank and oppressor. I can't remember what it was. Was
a couple of months ago. He's he was asked, if
you're up to nil in the Champions League final, would
you sit back? And is that finally a situation where
(19:47):
you would be more pragmatic? And he said, well, probably
the only reason we were up to Nils because the
way we were playing. He's like, what better way to
kill the game? Offen they get a third and you know,
to be fair, it was a complete capitulation and I
think the players should be ripped up and down left
and right for that Chelsea game. Yeah, I mean they
(20:07):
had a handful of chances where they could have They
could have had three. Uh, there was a corner off
the score.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Dude, Sun has to score, he has to score. He
has to score that goal. Well, that makes the three
to three and then it's bananas from that from that
point and I believe that was in like the seventy
something minutes. You don't like that, yeah, yeah, so that
the biggest chance from me.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
They had some chances. This was definitely and I think
this is just credit to Chelsea. This was the first
game where you know, we had some rotten performances, you know,
rotten rotten performances the last month and change. But even
so in those we still had some possession. We had
I think the majority possession in most of them, City
(20:48):
was close. I think we were like forty five percent,
which we just you know what a great game that was.
Remember that. I'm going to go back and watch those
highlights to feel joy. This was the first one We're
just lost in possession, and I think that is more
of a credit to Chelsea. But like I said, only
three teams have conceded less goals and Spurs in the
Premier League this year. So and that's the wide open
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thing is a little overrated.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Well that's that, and that's fair. And Chelsea ripped you apart.
And maybe that was just because I watched that match
start to finish, and I have not watched every single
Tottenham match start to finish, although I did watch a
lot of that Ipswitch match and they did not look good.
That was awful.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
But that's one goal conceded, you know what I mean? Yes,
that's offensive capitulation that game.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yes, and the first half of that game was was
was awful, but about your opponent. But before we get
to Arsenal, Brett Blake Moore and Robbie Rosens here in
the London Club Council as we recap a four to
three defeat by Spurs to Chelsea, who sit in second
place ahead of the Arsenal, and you could argue they're
in the best form of any domestic side in England
(21:59):
right now in the Mare League. They are running hot,
they are scoring goals. They didn't they didn't keep a
clean sheet clearly against your club, but they had kept
a clean sheet the game the match before. And uh,
it looks like they have a decent run of games
coming up here and it does not look like they're
going away now. I said last week on the podcast
(22:19):
that I did not put them in the title race.
And you see social media now the Chelsea fans, Oh no,
we don't. We don't want to be you know, we
don't want to be known in the title race. And
you know, we just want to go about our go
about our business and and but but you can't ignore it.
It's like it's like when you go on, America's got
talent or the voice, and you just stand out about everybody.
People are going to take you seriously. They're going to
(22:41):
want to support you, and they're going to want to
see what you can do. And I have to give
you know them bouquets because they really have played well.
And and and like I said in our group chat
earlier today when we talked about where Chelsea would be
this week in Kazakhstan, halfway across the world, playing in
Conference League, they can afford to play younger players and
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guy zero zero degrees fahrenheit that guys that don't necessarily
play in the Premier League. So they have the perfect
scenario right now where they can focus strictly on the
league and obviously FA Cup and things like that. But
in European football they don't need to play their A
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guys against the likes of Astana and third and fourth
rate European clubs, where they can just boss that league
and they'll probably win the Conference League. And and yes,
and and that would have got them a berth in
the Europa League if they weren't already going to make
the Champions League, which now looks more and more likely
week by week. So just a couple of words on
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Chelsea and what you saw, without disparaging your club, just
kind of some kind words here, as hard as it
is gritting your teeth. I mean, they've been super impressive
and we'd be remiss to ignore their sense the last
month or two.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And I think I hint by the way, the the
the con or the controversial USA game here against Honduras
here in Minnesota that was six degrees fahrenheit. Chelsea would
be playing in zero degrees right, so slightly different there,
and they're Honduras's keeper had to be subbed out for
hypothermia that game, so well, we'll see how that goes.
(24:23):
But the US decided to play here in February. I
went it was fun regardless, So good luck playing in
that game, Chelsea. I hope you have fun. But I
think I kind of hinted that at already that Chelsea
that was the first game that they that Spurs were
Boston possession, you know what I mean? Yeah, No, I
think that has a lot to do. I mean, they
are just a quality side. Palmer is unbelievable. Yeah, they're
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one hundred say it or not, They're one hundred percent
in the mix for the title race, whether or not
they're going to be in it, you know in April,
who knows. But as it stands right now, one hundred percent,
they're in their form. Yeah, without a doubt. They're well
well Sanchez.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah they well, they have about eighteen keepers on on
their payroll right now, at about half of them on loan.
And and but we'll see what happens when they go
to Astana, uh and play frost by de FC. Moving
on to the arsenal. A draw against Fulham. This is
an informed Fulham side that has gotten results against some
(25:23):
big sides in the last month or so. They sit
in the top half of the table. They sit above
your club at this at this moment, and uh they
the arsenal did not create a ton of chances. Uh late.
I mean you could say his whole body was offside.
I don't know it was looking at it. I don't
(25:45):
know what you were looking at, but I was looking
at it. It was exceedingly close. I mean, and it
wasn't it wasn't halfway down his body and not and
nothing that he did affected the play. He was running
to get back on site, you know, law Robbin. But
but all I'm saying is that it wasn't the most
agreat I understand, off sides is offsides, just like running
(26:07):
a red light is running a red light. I get that,
but it pains me more because it was such a
nice goal and it was such a great feed and
the fact that that was taken from us out of
London rival, I thought, really stunted a lot of the
good feelings that had been kind of brewing at the club.
(26:31):
And now kind of it's been a stop start and
now they fall into third. You know, cities still have
their issues. You know, Liverpool they didn't play this week
because of the torrential rains that were up north, so
that match will be rescheduled for later this year, but
it could be tricky. I mean, who knows how everything
(26:51):
will be playing later this year, who knows who will
be injured? And you know right now, I mean we
both would have thought that Liverpool would have went into
Goodison Park and did the job, but who knows what
will happen this year when it does get rescheduled. But
just kind of looking at Arsenal and kind of seeing
where they are. I mean, there's a reason why we
started with your club and spend twenty minutes on them.
It's because there's not a ton really to mention. I
(27:15):
mean the fact that I don't have a healthy right
back and they played Thomas Party back. There is a problem.
I mean, you know, these guys can't stay healthy's and
Chenko's another one that comes back one game, can't stay healthy.
Tomyasu's played five minutes this year and that was when
I was at the match against Southampton.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
He made them Yeah, but if you're going to figure
at ams.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I'm not kidding. Tomoyasu, our first choice right back, has
played I believe five to ten minutes this year, and
they were at the match that I was at back
in October. Well, he came on for a cameo, he
waved high to Robbie Rosenhouse and then he went off
and sat in his seat. But Arsenal still sitting third.
I still think they're in the title race there. They
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still have the firepower, they still have clearly the defense.
They've been without Gabriel the last couple of games, so
that clearly with the partnership that he's formed with Saliba,
that they missed that a little bit. Just like you
know that when you're putting in second choice center backs
and you don't have the likes of a World Cup
winner or the fastest man on the planet. I mean
(28:24):
that it hurts. It hurts, just like when Arsenal and
missing Odegarde and people have people have criticized, you know,
the fact that they don't have another midfielder who can
really step in and do what he does. I mean,
he's a special player, so what he's missing. A lot
of the chances they create, especially from open play, go away.
But he's back healthy. They still should have won that match.
(28:45):
I'm a little disappointed. But this week they take on
arrested Everton's side, and and and we'll see what happens
up at Goodison Park their last trip up to Goodison
and with Chelsea playing on Sunday and Liverpool playing after
after that as well, Arsenal will have a chance to
close the gap on both of those two squads.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
How much XG do you think Arsenal created from open
play against Fulham?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Probably under one we've talked about this and zero point
two right, So Fulham in that good right side right
they did a really good job of clamping down and
there was it seemed like they were trying to feed
everything down the right flank and it just wasn't working,
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and there was a lot of balls in soccer's court.
There was a lot of in his area of the
pitch where he likes to work down that right side.
But it just seemed like there wasn't a lot going
on in the in the middle of the park. Oder
Guard didn't have a ton of chances. Haverts was not
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too involved. There wasn't a ton going on. I just
there wasn't a lot created that as you said, from
open play. You know, they scored the one goal obviously
on the set piece. They should have scored the second
one from open play that was off sides. But again
they're they're not churning out the results like they were
last year or even two years ago. So it just
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figures that they're not the machine that they were the
last two years. When city completely falls off, and again
that's just bad luck or or bad karma or just
I don't know at this point how to put my
finger on why they're not beating these mid table sides
(30:39):
like Bournemouth when they went to But I know that's
a tough place to play and a big sides have
gone there. But look looking ahead, they have Monaco as
we tape this on Tuesday. They have Monaco on Wednesday,
and they're gonna look to be in that top eight
that gets that buy and doesn't have to play those
knockout rounds in February. Liverpool we know is going to
(31:00):
be there. They have. They just won again today in
Spain in Girona. They're six wins from six games in
the Champions League, very very impressive. They have to be
viewed as one of the favorites, if not the favorite,
to win it, alongside of clubs like Real Madrid. So
I know I'll be looking forward to that match tomorrow
and see if Arcelal can get back uh to their
(31:21):
winning ways at least and continue their winning ways in
Europe and get back to their winning ways this week
against Everton, who's much lower than them in the tables.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
And my squad on Thursday back in Europa League against
Rangers up in Scotland. That could be a little fiery.
You've got and former Celtic manager Fraser Forrester, former Celtic keeper,
so there could be some could be some fireworks.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
This is a third, This is a third for sure,
but this is the third place Rangers team. This is
not a dominant ranger side that has won games in
the Champions League before. I mean, they're europe the league
for a reason. Should should be able to go up
there and get the victory. I don't see it, and
I don't see any I know that they had their
problems in Turkey. I mean I know that that that's.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
A good side and is one of the best strikers
in the world.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
They had their I know, yeah, no doubt about it,
and they're allowed that. But I expect him to go
up to Scotland and get a result and continue to
kind of push their way towards uh a, a Europa League,
you know, quarterfinals and then and then and then so
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on and so forth, a run that they're certainly capable
of against sides that they should be able to dominate,
even with a weekend side without let's say Van der
Ben who got hurt or former Merrow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Can I briefly, because we didn't mention, can I say
the thing that Romero said because he had some interesting comments.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, very yeah. Yeah, So let's talk about a little
bit as we as we kind of transition. Well, we
started with a lot of times. Well listen, I knew
that this was this is big going to be no
but this was going to be a Tottenham heavy episode,
as we discussed before we went on the air. I mean,
there's not a lot going on with my club right now.
I mean, they sit in third, they come off a
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draw against Fulham, and they're gonna take on Everton this week,
and they take on Monaco tomorrow in a Champions League
where they've done well, and I firmly expect them to
get one of the eight buys along with Liverpool, which
we just mentioned. All the noises around your club right now,
I mean there's no two ways around it. I mean,
Tottenham Hotspur should not be sitting at eleventh, and despite
me picking them much lower than you thought, and we're
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not out at the station right now, but you'd be
hitting the gasp when I predicted them, I don't know,
seventh or eighth or whatever it was, and you said
I was nuts. Now, maybe that was a little bit
of wishful thinking, and and nobody in their right mind
would ever think Tottenham Hotspur would finish eleventh or even
sit at eleventh at this point, which is why people
are freaking out. But you don't seem to be freaking
out and jin and just back to your club for
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a second. I mean, they have a winnable match this week.
It's Sunday, It's it's it's the late match. And I
firmly expect him to get three points in the Europa
League this week and get three points on Sunday and
you'll be back on track. And next week it's party
time on this on this episode, on this podcast, because
I think they'll be back to winning ways. Do you
(34:23):
see them slipping up this week or do you see
a full.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Six points a hundred percent that could slip up. It's
it's completely not out of the question, especially with the injuries.
But I want to talk about Romero and I'm paraphrasing here.
The quotes are easily looked upable, but basically a he
retweeted something and then immediately unretweeted it that basically confirmed
he's he would leave the club if they fired in
(34:49):
like he's something along the lines of he's the only
one that's had ambition at the club, so take that
for whatever you want. But the other thing, and he said,
literally he just ripped Levy to shreds publicly on a
Telemundo of all places said that. You know, it's always
the same thing when there's troubles, it's the manager, it's
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the staff, it's the players, and no one talks about
who's really responsible. I think is the words Brett.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
He's an employee. He needs to shut up. That's my
view on it. He needs to shut his mouth and
you can't. And you know what, to be honest with you, Brett,
he's put in. He's mailed in some performances too. Now now,
there have been some matches when he's been awesome in
big matches. I remember specifically there have been a couple
of matches against Manchester City against Arsenal when he was
(35:40):
in there and he was playing very very well. You
know as well as I do. If you're going out
there and you're mailing it in some of these games,
you have no right to speak like that, especially to
an outlet in in your home country where you know
it's going to get back. It's just causing more noise,
just like Paedro Poro and we can get to that too,
and that kind of factors it deleting his his his
(36:00):
x account because he retweeted some Squawk of Football tweet
about how he was involved in the most Premier League
goals by a Tottenham defender since whenever. And this goes
all the way back to Brennan Johnson. I mean earlier
this season when he deactivated his Instagram, when your fan
base basically turned on him, and then he just scored,
kept scoring goal after goal after goal and not really celebrating,
(36:23):
and it was like a silent protest, like I'd never
want my players to feel like that, and it just
it just seems like it's too toxic at this moment
and your fans. While I love the passion and I
understand that you want them to do well and you
wanted to play attractive football, and you know, but you
(36:44):
but well did well. You want them to do well
and you wanted to play attractive football. I didn't lie there.
You all do. You all do. But Rameiro needs to
shut his mouth. And I think that everybody just needs
to come together and harmony because it just seems like
everybody's pulling in one different direction, and one day after
the next, it's one story after the other, and there's
(37:06):
a lot of noise around your squad. I just think
if you eliminated that, I mean, we got that going on,
not to mention the not to throw in the NHL here,
we got a lot of that going on with the
New York Rangers, where they're trading players, putting them on waivers,
trade rumors, Brady Kuchuk, will they trade for him? Soft tampering,
I mean, all this noise that goes on. You just
want to get the players out there and play and
(37:29):
channel what they did against Manchester City, you know, and
channel what they did for the first you know, fifteen
to twenty minutes of that game against Chelsea where they
took advantage of some Chelsea slip ups. I don't know, Ill, literally,
I don't know Brett. To me, i'd be a confused
fan right now if I was you and just I
don't know which way is up, And anytime I watched Tottenham,
(37:51):
I have no idea what to expect, and I'm not
sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing,
because I've had that before with the Vikings when they've
had bad defenses. Because now this year they do not
to the NFL, we go I'm trying to check off
all the other sports on my big goal card because
if I mentioned baseball in the NBA, by the end
of this I may yell bingo, But just going back
to the NFL, if the Vikings or the Packers don't
(38:13):
have a good defense, you don't know what you're going
to get because the team can allow thirty forty points
at any point and right now, your defense, whether it
be healthy or not, I don't see them, as you said.
I know that they've allowed the third fewest, but they're
not getting the results and something, something is not right.
And we've tried to break this down for forty minutes
(38:36):
now mostly and I don't think that we've come up
with a singular answer as to who's responsible. But if
we had like a kind of a pie chart to blame,
I would put most of it on the players. And
I think you're right that, and is just you know,
he's he's taking a lot of the bullets because he
is the face of the club and and even own.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
The transfers for the younger kids instead of me. And
he fell on the sword for that, which, by the way, again,
for whatever it's worth, Conte would have never done that.
Marinho would have never done that. I mean, is that
worth three points in the standing snow? But I don't know.
I just I think everyone wants to rebuild until it's
time to rebuild. And when you go through refreshing the squad,
(39:21):
there's going to be results in stretches like this, especially
when injury starts to stack up. And even when they
weren't stacking up, the results were still sometimes like this.
But I just want them to see something through, to
be different and to stick to you know, if to
dares to do is their motto, they should stick through
this and be brave and stick through this and see
a project through. And is not a trophy manager. He's
(39:45):
not a conte he's not a come in and magically
fix it. He is a project manager. That's what he does.
That's what he's done ever's been is build something new.
And how are you bringing in a project manager and
then say, oh it's not instantly working. Oh you're on
it here, buddy, I get the results. I haven't been there.
But he's a project guy.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Okay, Okay. So so to wrap up this Tottenham portion
of the segment here before we touch on a couple
more things and then say goodbye for this week looking
at the overall season, okay, And I don't want the
answer of winning a trophy. I don't want that to
be the answer to the question. I'm going to post
(40:26):
what defines success for you this season? Besides besides winning
a trophy?
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, because that's obvious.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I mean if I if I asked you that, then
you know what, we can find two people on the
street that that that can do a Vikings podcast and
we can have them say, well, what defines success for you?
Winning the Super Bowl? All right, that's nice. This segment
was sponsor by Quick Trip. Okay, so yeah, all right,
and we left Quick.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Trip, yes, driven by Plowers. Yeah, anything like that. I've
been working on my PA no, my success. I mean,
here's here's the thing. And we talked with this before
we hit record. The goalposts move right. So when am
said I want to win everything and I always win
things my second year, then everyone goes arrogant, naive? What
(41:19):
a loser? Like? What an idiot? Not a loser? What
an idiot? Basically? How arrogant is that? But if he
would have came out and said what success for me, Well,
just if we make some progress, that'd be nice. Loser
mentality doesn't have any ambition, So to ask me what
success is but not trophy, you're kind of paint me
in a to have a loser mentality, So I to
(41:41):
be honest, I think seeing more progress of what the
project is and physically being able to see the eye
test and be like, I know this is going in
the right direction at this point in the season. I
think that would be a good turnaround to then go
into the next season, hopefully have a good transfer window,
and go from there.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Again and again, they said at eleven, but it's not
like they're, you know, fifteen to twenty points out of
you know, fifth or sixth or whatever you know there, Yeah, exactly,
So I don't have the table in front of me,
but I'm sure they're only you know, six or seven
points out of the top six or something something or
something along those lines.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
But be the sex they are five points, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Five points that yes, So I said, yeah, so be
that as it may you. I think the answer is
you want to see more consistency. And I know we've
talked about that week after weeek after week week, and
that's what I've seen from Arsenal the last couple of years.
Now this year it's been a little more stop start,
but the last couple of years that's what I was
seeing every week, whether it be a dominant performance or
(42:45):
whether it be late winners. That's how they were able
to stay at the top of the league for so
long until late in the season when obviously things didn't
go their way. City overtook them. And that was that.
From from what I see from Tom and them, they
certainly have it in them. But it's it seems like
they have to play a perfect brand a football. And
(43:10):
just because it seems like to me Brett and and
and again I don't I don't want to go on
too too long on on on how they play, but
it's it just seems like Spurs are the perfect team
and they and this is it's funny because and we'll
we'll and we'll finish up after this, because because we've
been going on. But just just an overarching question here,
(43:33):
because I should have asked this before. But wouldn't it
help them if they get ahead in somebody like like
that game right like against Chelsea. Right they're they're ahead
to now right tid them. All they want to do
is play on the counter like that's that's It's like
they have guys playing they for Johnson up the wing,
(43:56):
Son up, like.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
We want to have the ball. We don't no, but Werner.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
And like they can send guys through and you doggy
and just I mean just send I mean they have
a lot of team speeds, So wouldn't you think that
like that would play into their hands so perfectly. But
again they aside from this Chelsea match, they have not
gotten the head in a lot of these matches. Now,
if they were to get ahead against lesser sides, and
(44:22):
I'm and I'm saying, I'm not saying that this couldn't
happen against Chelsea, but it didn't be. They weren't able
to hit them on the counter because Chelsea were that
good and they were scoring goals. But if you have
lesser sides and you get the lead against them, you.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Could expose those teams and you can score a lot
of a lot of goals. And just like they did
against City.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Look at the City match, right, City were chasing the
game and all of a sudden, boom you hit them
on the counter. Boom, Madison, boom, Like that's that's the
that's the blueprint, right, Like that's the isn't it or not?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
I think we hit them on the us I think
is what happened. I think and I think the same
thing with the Cuckaria goals. Yeah, he slipped one hundred percent.
But the only reason they could take advantage of that
is because we were so high, pressed up in their grill.
And I think we caused a lot of turnovers against
City where where the keeper had to play it long,
which then spurs win that send it right back yet, right,
(45:21):
So I think that's the idea. Is the press more
than it is the absorb and then counter like we
would against Kante. We want to press, cause a turnover
and then spring even more in your face. So I
wouldn't really call it a counter, but your point still
stands that that is kind of the blueprint and have
a lot of ideally would like to have all the
(45:41):
ball the whole time. That's number one, right. Then number
two is, well, if we can't have the whole ball,
if we can have the ball the whole time, then
we want to press and take the ball. I would
be willing to bet their top three in the league.
I don't have the stats right in front of me
of winning the possession and the opponent's third. I bet
my life on it that the at least top three,
if not top one at that So that's kind of
(46:04):
the game plan. Again, I just I don't see how
it would help anybody to hit the reset button yet again. Okay,
it's everything that I'm hearing from the players to upstairs
and Romero publicly defending him, Sonny publicly defending him. And
it's not the you know, you know how it is
(46:25):
in the NFL where he's our quarterback and then a
week later he's the backup, you know what I mean.
It's not the oh, here we go there, it's the
vote of confidence. So now he's gone, Like, to me,
this feels like, no, this is the project we're working on,
and it's a project, not a insta turnaround trophy manager type.
Wow's my thing.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Well, we started the episode with Ange, we ended the
episode with Ange, and I think it's fitting because your
club and your manager right now are in the crosshairs.
And if we're not talking about Wolves, or we're not
talking about west Ham who just beat Wolves, those two
managers low Paateagy and Gary O'Neil right now are the
(47:07):
only two managers with lower odds to be sacked than
Ange pastacocu so and fourth on that list, by the way,
is Eddie Howe. Now I'm not exactly sure why that
would be. Potentially he would go and take again, I
don't I don't know, maybe in the mix for I
(47:28):
know they just hired somebody else for England, but I
thought that perhaps he was in the mix for that.
But again the top three are ang Gary O'Neil and
Julian lopategy at west Ham. But again you're talking about
not being in trouble your team engine and that's kind
of one of the get out of you in this
Tottenham therapy session. I thought I was fair and balanced,
(47:49):
like Fox News just kidding.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
That's their slogan. Yeah, don't get mad at us because
I said it.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
But no me, I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Yeah exactly, well us we you know, yeah, but no,
this was a fun episode of the London Club Council
and this was a Tottenham therapy session. And we'll be
back next week. I'm predicting right now and Brett can
clip this that Tottenham gets the win over Rangers and
get the win on Sunday in the Premier League to
get six points and it's a happy Brett Blake Moore
(48:19):
next week as we tape another edition of the London
Club Council for a not so jubilant Brett Blake Moore
and a sort of jubilant Robbie Rosenhaus. This has been
another episode of the London Club Council.
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