Tottenham Trophy Triumph! - London Club Council

Welcome to the London Club Council! The FAN's Brett Blakemore and Robbie Rosenhaus are opposing fans in England's biggest rivalry. They break down TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR WINNING EUROPEAN SILVERWARE, Arsenal's future, the allure of Real Madrid, and Chelsea's top 5 hopes. 

The guys on Twitter: @BrettKFAN @robbierosenhaus

MONTAGE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPjT1CBsGnc

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
We're at it again. Welcome to another meeting of the
London Club Council. Now representing Tottenham Hotspit in this corner
we do have Brett Blakemore and repping Arsenal is Robbie Rosenhaus.
So boys, let the banter begin.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Welcome into a very special episode of the London Club Council.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
My name is Robbie Rosenhaus.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Representing Arsenal and representing Tottenham is a jubilant, ecstatic, exciting,
beaming Brett blake start from the triple b Moniker boxed
up from box to beaming as his Tottenham Hotspur team.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
From box to Billboo. Here we are from.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Box to Bill BeO Brett Blakemore.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Indeed, Tottenham win their first trophy in seventeen years. And
we'll get to Arsenal briefly later in the pod, and
we'll talk about the top five and how the race
is shaping up for an incredible last day where six
teams are in the mix. But right now this podcast,

(01:20):
at least the first part of it is aa t
all about Tottenham because coming up with their first trophy
something that I did not personally think was going to happen. Clearly,
no but putting aside the match itself and.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
We'll get into it. I think the listeners just.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Want your overall feelings and kind of take on the
entire ride and run it's been so far this season,
culminating in this moment before we break down anything about
the game and where they're going from here, just kind
of give us a synopsis of of kind of the

(02:05):
climax of everything that this season is built towards good
and bad.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yeah, you know, May twenty first, twenty twenty five is
a day I'll remember forever. Like it's there's no hyperbole
with that, Like it's it's just a fact. My voice
is still a little gone from yesterday at the bar,
which which we'll talk about. Also, banging montage is done.

(02:33):
Can't put it in the podcast, but link will be
in the description so you can. It's it's gonna be
a video with like some slideshow stuff, just to get
it in a video form, because that's because Twitter doesn't
let you post MP three's, so whatever. Anyways, it was unbelievable.
And again, if you had have told me at the

(02:54):
beginning of the season, we're in the Champions League and
we get a trophy that I see that as an
absolute win. It has stunk. This Unfortunately, this podcast has
suffered because of my apathy for the sport for at
times of how bad they've been in the prem But

(03:16):
it all worked out and my faith in Big Ange
has been rewarded. They did it his way. There was
definitely a plan B. IF for those of you who
say that there's no plan B with Big Ang, yes
there is, because he locked that sum bitch down as
soon as they got up one nill they I mean,

(03:37):
they still pressed and they still tried to counter, but
they really didn't do much of anything after that. They
just locked it in and hey, a trophy is a trophy.
The goalpost will be moved. There will be people online,
and not necessarily you, but there will be people online saying, well,
the game's stunk, Well you're still seventeenth. Well I'm not

(03:59):
in for any of that. The banter for years has
been Spurs don't win trophies, Spurs lose in big moments
war a trophy. Domino's UK said how many pizzas they've
sold since last time Spurs have won a trophy and
Spurs replied to him and said how many? How many? Now, lads,
I mean, that's it. It is a trophy. It is

(04:20):
a major European trophy. It's not the Champions League, but
a major European trophy that spurs half.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Well.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
There are oftentimes that a lot of things could be
true at once, and here as we've seen kind of
their form, I mean, their form in the league has
been you know, an f but their form in Europe
was clearly an a. So while those two things are

(04:46):
true at the same time, the same can be said
for the fact that the game was awful, like from
a neutral standpoint, but from a Tottenham standpoint that doesn't matter.
So we're looking at it from different points of view,
So you can't jump into my body, who's again really

(05:09):
you know, rooting against Tottenham, but again taking join the
fact that United have crumbled and we'll get to them
a little bit later and what that means for them.
But from a neutral standpoint, just everything that I've read
and listened to in the basically twenty four twenty two
hours since Tottenham lifted the trophy, it's basically this is

(05:32):
kind of great for Tottenham and great for their fans,
and but we can't dismiss the fact that you know,
these these two sides, you know, just just gave us
a really kind of glimpse into what this league is
all about.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
But that shouldn't dismiss what they accomplished.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
But again, at the same time, you can still you
can still say, Okay, now we've shown it against this
kind of competition, we be a terrible you know, united side,
and we took care of business against the teams that
we needed to beat. Now it's going to be put
up or shut up as they re enter the Champions

(06:12):
League and in that case wherever.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
They you know, may finish.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
If they flame out and don't even make the round
of you know, sixteen or whatever the case may be,
then people can shoot back at you and said you
belong in Europa da da d dah this and that.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Because I think we can both agree that.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Making the leap from where they are to top four
next year is a very very tall task unless they
reinvest a lot of money in the squad at several
areas we've seen now at the back, what they can
do in terms of playing with a healthy Van Deven

(06:51):
and a healthy Romero who may may leave the club,
Udogi play probably here in months well maybe I don't know.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
This changes everything. Who knows it?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
May you know he played his best game in months, yep.
But for and we can get into the game a
little bit. But you know, and you see now why
he didn't start Son. I mean, let's be fair like, yeah,
it was a disaster and when when when he was
on the ball and when he was running after They tried,
but it just it just wasn't working. But subbing in

(07:25):
Danco for Brennan was a stroke of genius, going a
five at the back and just having them pump balls
in from the left and right, especially the right where
and there were two moments where United could have scored
and you could have easily been on the end of
a two to one score where Garnacho fired and Vicario
had to stick out his left hand, which was about
a seven out of ten save for me, maybe eight

(07:45):
out of ten. It was good, but it wasn't. It
wasn't It wasn't a ten out of ten, but it
was something that you'd expect a good keeper to save.
And then obviously the Van Deven clearance was, you know,
a nine point five out of ten.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
I mean, I'm not saying it was save of the year,
but it I would definitely put it like that's of
world class safe. It was really good.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Listen, it was not I wouldn't say it was a
five star, but it was a four star save.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
It was good.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
He got down with his left arm and he and
he and he and he parried it away and he
and he did a good job. Also on the van
where on the play where Van Derven cleared it, and
you know, you go back and look at that replay,
did you see who bumped into Vicario?

Speaker 3 (08:27):
It was Slanky?

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, yeah, so it hadn't even been Viccario's like, what
do you want for Cario? Like, yes, he kind of
fumbled it a little bit of what do you expect
when you know two hundred and thirty pound man or whatever.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Selanky is a big.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Big guy, barrels into you in the box. Now he
was trying to clear it too. But to that point,
Brett and and and kind of I wanted to get
this this kind of overriding fact. Did you did you
think that late in the game, after conceding all these
goals this year, that they would be able to hold
up because you knew that you were gonna be under fire.

(09:03):
I mean you saw how they were setting up and
to be and to be honest with you, I thought
they set up shop a lot earlier than I thought
they were going to.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Like they they packed it in.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
I mean, and then there was one time I think, uh,
somebody got hurt late and then they were writhing in pain.
I think it was Romero and that took a couple
more minutes and stuff.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
So I mean they were you.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Know, it's not like they were time that I wasn't.
It wasn't time wasting FC No, But no, they they
they packed it in the box defensively, and they were
clearing a lot of balls, and it was just it
was okay, back to basics. Let's clear out the balls.
Let's let's just let's clear it all. Let's just clear
out the clearances. And I mean, uh and and and

(09:44):
they did a really good job of that.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah, you gave me a lot to chew on there.
For one. Let's let's go back to the start. It
was an ugly game for neutrals, does not matter whatsoever,
but completely around.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
But we agree with that. But that's where the fig
comes in.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
And I'll let you continue that two things could be
the same and from it from different points of view,
it can it could be, you know, and you have
to respect the fact.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
That but people are just rob But people are using
that as ammunition to just diminish the win.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Which they you are not which which right? Which which you?

Speaker 2 (10:16):
And I agree that they should not use it as ammunition.
If people want to take shots at Tottenham, they should
take shots at the fact that their league form almost
got them, you know, relegated. Like, don't talk about campaign.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Never near relegated. That's because the.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Other three that's neither here nor they're in a regular
season when when the when the three teams weren't as
bad as they were, they would have but again they
may have fought more in the in the second half
of the season. So but but that's beside the point
today about their European campaign. And and and like you
said in the in the in the match, you know,
it didn't matter if it was boring or not.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
They got it done.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Yeah. I mean, in five years when the new players
are walking the halls of Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, they're to
see that picture and no one's gonna remember that the
game was a thicker.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
It's just a.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Fact to that point. I just have one small thing
before I let you continue. I see all the medals, right,
everybody getting all the medals and everything. Right, you see
that picture of them holding the trophy, right, two part
question here. One one of your most important players, Van Derven,
is way in the back.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
He definitely should have been in the front.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
And for some not to have a medal on for
that picture is beyond the scope of.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Oh, yeah they didn't give him. Yeah, they just gave him.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
That was weird. I think he went up.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Well, what happened is basically, they give out fifty medals
and they can't give everybody medals because they're giving up.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Runners up medals.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
And if they sit there and give out one hundred medals,
it would take an hour and nobody wants that, so
they kind of limit it to certain people. The staff
got something, they only have a certain amount. Yeah, he
doesn't have a medal on.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Yeah, so I'm showing for those of you, and that's
everyone listening since a podcast. I was showing Robbie my
new phone background, which is.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
The trophy. But he doesn't have the medal on. Now
he'll get one.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
It's weird, but you would.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Think that, like somebody in the squad Mikey Moore was
wearing a metal like you would.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Think, like he scored at Elfsberg, like you know, you
would think that, you know Timo Werner, you know, he
didn't do much but smile.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I mean, you would think he.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Would give at least for the picture, gives.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
On the reddle for the picture was.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
To be on the wall.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
You would.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
People are gonna ask, like, why didn't he have a
medal on him. He's gonna have to explain. But nevertheless,
it shouldn't take away from the moment. And and like
you said, it was it was a cool thing for
for him to be the one to lift it.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Yeah, especially for him. I mean it's a big and yeah,
they they didn't start him. I thought it was smart.
Even if you want to you know, well.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
You saw why.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
I I don't know if that's entirely.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
He shot Brett. I'm sorry, man, he shot.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
He's not as good as he used to.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Listen, now the gloves are off because he's won a
trophy and now he can retire and him and Keane
are gonna go down, as you know, two of the
greatest players ever to play for that club.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
At least this century. But he shot like.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
He's on the eighteen, like he's he's having beers at
the at the uh.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I think the.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Off on seventeen. I think you think.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
He's teeing off on the seventeenth.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, he just did handshakes with you and I and drinking.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
It's not that bad. He's coming off an injury. He
hasn't played a full night while that's fair, that's fair.
I mean maybe he's on the sixteen green, but I
thought it was the right move where Charlaston, it was
the right movie.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Nothing else.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
He provides, He provides pace and you know what he was.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
He was working on physicality.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
He's committing those dirty tackles that you needed in the
you know, the dark.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
As soon as Richie got that yellow and like here
comes Sonny like shot there right exactly.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
When you when he got that, you knew he was
out of there, Yes, exactly here again.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
It was a it was a feisty It was a
feisty first.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Here's what I'll say. I it was nervous the whole time. No,
I mean my heart was going a mile a minute.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
And tell the listeners where you were watching the match.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Yeah, so with Minneapolis Spurs at Palmer's Bar, it was
hip to hip in there, back to back like jam
packed like Sardine's and there the entire time. The video
by the way, if you when you watch the montage,
I put the video in there of the moment when
the trophy draft was ended and the place just went bananas. Yeah,

(14:40):
it was a blast, and I was nervous the whole time.
But I didn't really think we would win, Like not
that I thought we were gonna lose. If there's a
difference between thinking we're gonna lose and not knowing if
we would win, you know what I mean. So first
goal goes in, I'm like, we could do this like
this as possible. When Vandaven made that clearance, I mean

(15:03):
they should put a statue outside the stadium for that clearance.
Like honestly, well just Vandaven just flying through the air.
It was that unbelievable. That was the moment I was like.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
He should I mean, Hoyland should have scored that. If
you go back and watch that, and I know it's
I'm nothing fine from his clearance. It was a great clearance. No,
but because of he was able to make the great
clearance because Hoyland was ineffective and putting any pace on
that ball, like, oh for nothing, I if you go
back like that one, I thought more he should have

(15:33):
scored the than the next one you're going to talk about.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
So well, yeah, then so there was that clearance where
I thought like luck is finally on our side, like
we're going to do this thing. And then there was
the big Vicario save. I think it was, well, there's
a Garnacho save too, but there was one I'm thinking of. No,
the one I'm thinking of. I think it was either
a cross or a corner where it wasn't a freeheader,

(15:59):
but I can't who it was. Maybe it was Maguire,
I can't remember, but diving saved from Vicario on the
ahead of right in the box, just beautiful. And that's
when I knew it was probably pretty likely it was
gonna happen. They just weren't scoring. But even up until
the final whistle, I was like, there's gonna be some

(16:20):
where's the boogeyman around the corner? You know, where's it
gonna come from? And it didn't come and Spurs are
European champions. Oh, it's just like the biggest relief possible.
It is, like I know, I'm just I'm sounded like
a broken record. But like even the next day, I'm
still finding it hard to articulate, like just how big

(16:44):
of a relief that was. I mean, there was tears
everywhere in the bar, you know, me and the head
and good buddy John just embraced just right after it
just tears everywhere. People were crying, and yeah, it was.
It was unbelievable. It was unbelievable night. And now we
look at the future, and now we look at Ange,

(17:06):
and we look at Champions League, and you know, this
game against Brighton at home is completely irrelevant. It's gonna
be a victory toward the probably gonna lose. It's coming
down from such a big high. But I'm here to
say I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times.

(17:27):
When you see the players react like that, and you
see James Madison holding up a giant banner of and
with the meme sunglasses on, I don't know how you
sacked that guy after he just he's the most successful
manager in what forty one years.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Unfortunately for you, everything you just said was true, But
it won't matter.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
I just think.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
And doing just a little research and just doing a
little intel because your intelligent wrong, But I think more
of the right phrase to use here is because reading
the tea leaves is.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Pretty much what.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Kind of anybody with a brain can do and see that.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
This wouldn't be the.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
First time that a manager has won a trophy and
gotten sacked. Carlo Ancelotti won the Double and got sacked.
Roberto Da Matteo won the Champions League at Chelsea and
got sacked. There's been several other managers. Ten Hogg won
a trophy and got sacked. I know your emotional attempt,
those are different. I think the fact that they've got

(18:52):
bigger plans now it would have been a certainty if
they had lost, But now that I think that they
have bigger plans, I think it's still pretty much a
certainty that he will not be back because going into
the Champions League next year and again, I gotta get
used to saying that, so I just want to make

(19:12):
sure that I.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Get that out correctly.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Tottenham Hotspur are going to be in the Champions one hundred.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Million dollars it's going to take for them to compete
next year in both in both leagues.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
If you look at their squad depth.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Okay, I think they were without I know they were
out without Madison, but again, Kol had a decent year.
Has Madison really lived up to expectations? We both agreed
he wasn't. Again if we thought he was going to
be an A, he's been a B at best.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
So I think that's fair.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
And and but you know, you can say the same
for a couple of people on Arsenal this season.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Especially Odegar who had who had.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
A an awful season, but by his standards compared to
the next one. We'll get to Arsenal in a couple
of minutes. I just think that moving forward, you need
if you get a new manager in there and somebody
with uh with Champions League kind of pedigree. Now somebody's
gonna you know, club that's going to a track. You know,

(20:24):
this isn't some small club like they play in an
amazing stadium in London and now they're back in Champions
League and somebody's gonna want that job. I just don't
think when push comes to and again this comes down
to Levy and you know.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
It, you know what he's gonna do.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
So what if he if he brings him back and
they start off the league next year and they and
he spends the money and brings in his guys and
they don't get off to a flying start next year
because Champions League, Remember.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
They got the Super the Super Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
They're gonna play either PSG or a PSG or hang on.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Number one, PSG number two.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Or into Milan.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, there you have it, inter nationality. But I just
think that they need somebody else to go in there
and spend that money because now they're gonna the fans
and there's gonna media, and there's gonna be a lot
of pressure on them to reinforce the squad.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
You know it, and I know.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
It, because on a week to week basis, they're not
good enough. And the fact that they won this competition
is a blessing for you and a blessing for your
fan base that they got to go on this run.
And that's not.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Taking anything away from them.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
It's not like they were you know in the you know,
in the in the Champions League and saw like you know,
City and Real Madrid and Liverpool on the other side,
and they had to play like bum sides and they
just got to a final and lucked out like no,
like they earned it.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Nobody should take anything away from.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Them, but that doesn't change the fact that they still
stink on a week two week basis in the league
and they have to reinforce it. And I just don't
think the combination of his tactics and his just stubbornness
to play that high line and.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Robbie, did you watch the game? Did you watch the final?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
But but but then why didn't he do it in
the league? Then?

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Because we were focused on he said post game once
the January window hit, we're winning Europa like he said that.
He's like, we were focused on Europa and the league
took a back seat. And I understand that's unacceptable.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
In like December, like you were way down there.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
Okay, So that's that's what.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
It's a very very sentimental thing to want to keep
this manager. But I think that he just and I
don't have anything against the man. I think I want
you to keep him because I don't sure it is
I listen, I really do, because I think he's very
entertaining with very abrasive with the media.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
The clown stuff was out of order.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
He should have chosen a different word.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
He should have chosen like hero or even zero is
not not the right word.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Hero or villain would have been a proper.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
I don't know if it's.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
That that was the wrong term, And you know what,
that's from a journalist that covers them on a day
to day basis and has had more than one run
in with him. So I'm not going to be grudge
either one of them. Andrew was right, the journalist was
probably right for calling him out, but not in that way. Nevertheless,
putting all that aside, we disagree here, but I understand
why you want to keep him and why you want

(23:45):
to continue this project. If it was me as a fan,
I would want a new voice. And I understand you
saying some of the fans, some of the players love him,
But don't you think that some of these relationships have
been deteriorated over the last couple of months.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
With the players. Yeah, with some of the players, no, zero,
They watch Mickey Van Deven's post game watch, Sonny's post
game watch, James Madison praiding around the field, an ange banner. No,
the only people who get upset are people that are
chronically online that can't stand not winning every single game.

(24:20):
Those are the people who hate as it's with the players,
it's obviously not. They just look how hard they just
played for him, Robbie. And if you want to talk
about the league is the only thing in trophies don't matter,
then you should be firing your manager as far as
I'm concerned, because he hasn't brought you dittley squat in
like six years.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
If you had won, if you had finished.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
It doesn't matter, it doesn't It just doesn't matter. If
we finished tenth, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. The
league eighth and seventeenth irrelevant, does not matter whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
I would agree, I would agree with you on that
premise where once you know you're not going to qualify
for Europe and you're not going to get relegated, it's
very easy for you. And that's I think that's very
much part of the reason why Tottenham were so effective
in their European campaign is.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Not roll out there.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
And they weren't able to save their best, save their healthy,
best best players healthy for the most important games.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Right.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Don't you remember? Was it.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
What fixture was it early in this season?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Was it Arsenal? Was it Chelsea where they rushed back?

Speaker 4 (25:46):
It was Chelsea Chelsea where they.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Rushed back Romero and van event they both got.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Hurt, both got hurt or they both got hurt.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Yep, and that set them back like another two months,
but another two months, right, And if you look at
the stats of Spurs with Romero and Van Derven and
without Romeiro, it is night and day.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Oh without a doubt, No, it's it's like the wild,
the Minnesota Wild with or without.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Ninety Imagine you guys losing, you know, Saliba and Gabriel.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
But for three months, Brett, and that's why they didn't win.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
I'm not talking about one player, Robbi. I'm talking about five.
The entire back five, including the Cario were gone for
three plus months and then and then it was over.
Like you literally can't win with that. We're we're we're
asking a eighteen year old center midfielder in Archie Gray
to play center back for us for a month. Yeah,

(26:41):
twice a.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Week, but we can't. But we cannot.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
But again, it's like look over here, but don't look
over there.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Let's go back to it.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
We're just not accepting that as a factual thing that happens.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
I'm accepting that as a fact. But you could also
accept the fact.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
That you lost one nil to a relegated you lost
to two relegated sides at home this year.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Is that fair? No, it's not fair. Fact, And you can't.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Dismiss those Okay, let's that should that shouldn't happen under
any circumstances with any lineup that you throw out there.
But I'm not I don't want to just isolate those two.
It's just my illustration of the bigger point about Ange.
I think the win is great, but it doesn't outweigh

(27:23):
the Look over here and look at what's going on.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
You have No, I.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Didn't say that it doesn't outweigh the league place. You're
saying the league place.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
This is the perfect question, and we can we can
end the age discussion on this, and that we can we.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
I haven't even got to defend ADS yet. I'm just well, no, well,
this is well.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
This is this is this is where you're going to
defend Ange.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Okay, this because this is the overriding question that I have.
Past performances for.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
You, are they indicative of future results? And if that's
the case, then then then your opinion of then your
opinion of and should be convoluted at best, it should
be it should be I just think that it's it's
it's mixed. It's mixed feelings, is it not. I mean,

(28:15):
you're fully pro ange and you're you're avoiding what's going
on in the league and and you're just throwing the
trophy in.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
My face, which is great and it's and it's and
it's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
But you know, three quarters of their games this season
basically they've they've lost.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
So how how do you balance that?

Speaker 2 (28:34):
And what is the number one reason or two reasons
why he should be given money and time to take
this club into Europe's elite competition and have another crack
at the Premier League when not.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Just this year, but if you look at last season or.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
They finished fifth, right, but but then again, but then
what happens we finished and what happens, Well he didn't
make the Champions League. Well, another trophyless season, yes you did,
and all your Arsenal fans and all the Chelsea fans.
Another trophyless season for Spurs. But the top four isn't
a trophy. But now, all of a sudden, the tables
have turned. Now all of a sudden, it's league position

(29:16):
is everything, and you gotta be top four or else
you're terrible and you should be sacked. You guys are
a bunch of hypocrites and a bunch of frauds. You
change the goalposts again when it benefits.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
You that I've made my points on why they should
get rid of Ange, and if I was a Tottenham
fan I would love him to death and thank him
for what he did for the club. Now you're going
to tell the listeners why you think and putting aside
the fact, well the players love him and stuff I want.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
That is vitally important to this conversation.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
It is, I'm sure it is because because you want,
you want a manager that players are going to play for.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Look at Conte. It was like mutiny. It was like
Muty on the bounty. It was ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah he got them changing football and what happened.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah yeah, he's self imploded too.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
But just give the listeners a few reasons and give
the Spurs fans who are listening who are anti Ang
because I'm sure you've talked to me several times. Oh
I had people are people a bar because it kept
getting too toxic about Ang. So describe the feelings and
the thoughts you have from not only John the head

(30:19):
of Minneapolis Spurs, but yourself and kind of the feeling
about Ange as you walked out of the bar yesterday,
and moving forward, you've now heard the anti Spurs opinion
and anti Ange and ang out opinions.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
So tell the listeners why you and John and others.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Are and in yeah, you're the you're the anti Spur.
As Pa would say, it was in the bar when
I was there, when we were some of us were
doing the the Ang's chance, the whooo, and people will
turn around and do this like the like the cut
it out sign. I'm like, no, like the man just
brought us a trophy for the first time in seventeen years,

(30:56):
and you're gonna say if good rits buddy out of there?
It was I thought it was obvious that he did
not get nearly a fair shake in the prem this
year for a handful of reasons. A would again call
it an excuse. All you want is just a fact.
When you play without your entire defense for three months

(31:18):
and you have to play twice a week, it's going
to take a toll. It's just a fact. And then
I think after it got to a certain tipping point,
especially near January, where we'ren't thirteenth, we've got no shot,
But we've got a shot at Europa. That's where we're
going to put our focus in. I thought it was
pretty plainly obvious. Obviously, seventeenth isn't acceptable in any way,
shape or form. But I think he did it for

(31:39):
a reason to win something in his second year b
I'd say the players fully back him, and I think
that is immensely important. But see just the fair shake
aspect of it. Think about it. Let's say, let's say
Levy acted like a big time owner and not penny

(32:00):
pincher that he is. We would not have signed just
a couple of eighteen year olds in the summer window,
you know what I mean. A big club would have
been able to sustain those injuries, would have been able
to have the depth to where we do have our
entire back line out. But we've got enough depth to
where it's not gonna matter. We didn't, and why because

(32:20):
lev did not invest with Ange. And that's the problem.
That's why he didn't get a fair shake, is because
he didn't get a fair shape because of the injuries.
But then because of Levi's previous action in the previous
summer window, we didn't have enough bodies to overcome those injuries.
So I think all of that put together, it's hard
for me to put even the majority of the blame

(32:42):
on Ange for being in seventeenth and despite all that.
So that's why I think he didn't get a fair
shake in the prem and why seventeenth looks a lot
worse than it or it is a lot worse than
it probably look. You know what I'm trying to say.
Man brought us a trophy, said he's gonna win something
with us, said success is gonna come to Spurs, and

(33:04):
he brought it. And I think at the very I
don't know what Leev's gonna do. We talk about this
every week. What should happen and what will happen? What
will happen? No idea Levy could pull the trigger. I
think it'd be idiotic, but he could. He could just say,
you know what, we're going in a different direction because
you were seventeenth. I think that's ridiculous. I think seeing

(33:25):
the celebrations, seeing the pitch invaded at totamhawts Per Stadium
for the watch party, seeing the streets of the high Road,
that the fact is that people are so high on
this club right now in celebratory you can't just overlook
that because a look over here, we are really injured
in February, you know what I mean. I just don't
think you can discount that. What should happen is Ange

(33:47):
gets at least the first ten games of the prem
with a new summer window with actual senior player purchases
to help this squad have some depth. If they do
do that and in ten games in we're still looking like, boy,
we're losing to Burnley at home, we can talk and

(34:08):
I think that would be the line. But at the
very least you have to let him get a window
in and at least a dozen games in the PREM.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Now, this is coming from somebody who was basically engine
for ninety eight percent of the time that he's been there. Now,
there was a time in the last three to four
months where you've been on this podcast and you've also

(34:38):
in private waivered.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
The fact that he won a trophy.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Know you did you kind of you said, this is
and I quote, this is the first time you told
me this.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
This is the first time.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
And I think it's on the podcast, or maybe you
told me in private, or maybe we were just on
the phone.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
You told me this is the.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
First time when i've I'm kind of in the where
I can see it from both sides or something like.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
That, where and you were like, wait a second, like
if this ends badly and we haven't and we don't
wind up with anything, like I can see something where
we can make a change, But.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Now everything is sunshine and rainbows because they want and
that's fine.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
I would have stayed with him the whole time. What
I was saying is like, I see the road where
this goes poorly. That's what I'm saying. But I never
wavered in my belief of ange. I believe I've wavered
in uh oh, this could get to a tipping point where.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Where this guy even can't defend him and he's got
to go right right where I can't. As much as
I like him, I can't defend the record, and he's
got to go. I think that changed with just a
one zero win yesterday, which it's a very fine line,
and we can discuss it until the cows come home
and until the Spurs come marching home, which they will

(35:55):
and they're gonna have tomorrow. But hopefully you're listening to
this as you're at the pariade.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
If somebody's at the break.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
That would be unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
Please, But you can say seventeenth, you can say it
was an ugly game. But you can't take this wallpaper
off my phone ever, it will never go away. So
and that's and you can't take the picture off of
the walls in the stadium. Can't take the trophy home.
It's now the third Europa League, Spurs have one. That's
three h four major European trophies, three Europa Leagues. So

(36:24):
just no matter what you say, you can't take it
away and Spurs go marching on.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Well that has.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Concluded these Spurs portion of our podcast. We we thank
you so much for flying Tottenham Marilines. Yeah no, but.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Lock position.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah yeah, it's it's cool for you, it's cool for
the fans. I didn't want to see it.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
You're stomach.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
I was. I was cringing yesterday, but it happened.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
And you know what, I've seen your baseball team win
a World Series. I've seen your football team when not
one but two Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
I've only seen one, so that I was not alive
for the first. I mean I was alive for the first.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
You want alive? Yeah, I was a kid, I was
a kid, and you were alive people when they beat
the when they beat the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Drew bloods go crazy.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, Drew bloodsoe exactly go crazy as we transitioned from
Tottenham to the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
And you've seen my hockey team, Okay.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Then no, no, that would be that would be incorrect.
Although I've seen your college football team, the Wisconsin Badgers
and Rose Bowl and.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
They lost three types. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yes, well my school hasn't been there since nineteen forty,
so excuse me, nineteen sixty, I should say, let me
correct that for those of us so who are listening
in the greater Minneapolis Saint Paul area.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
But onto my club just briefly here.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
I mean, uh, like I said, your season's done and
you clinched, which is good.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, getting the over Newcastle, I mean, you know, watching
that game start to finish, because the games are obviously
there's no jeopardy. There wasn't a ton of jeopardy unless somehow,
some way they lost and a million different things happened
where they they would have had a sweat out the
last day against Southampton of all the ball teams, but
they ended up getting to win at home. And I

(38:20):
thought it was a pretty thorough performance, declared Rice, with
a really nice goal. For me, he's been their their
player of the season and he's just been he's been fantastic.
I mean, buying him for one hundred million was a
stroke of genius, everybody said, or they they had questions as.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
To whether or not he's a lot of money at
the time.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, a lot of kind of offensive flair at his
locker and he's obviously showed that with that goal and
the two free kicks against Real Madrid and scored against
Manchester United in the final minutes last season, So he's
shown that he's had that and the ability to play
more up the pitch and just just kind of putting

(39:00):
the putting that game aside, and just an overriding question
here as for kind of pressure points for Arsenal before
we kind of move on to the top five, because well,
we'll give a season review. Maybe we'll give our season
grades as to certain players on the squad. You can
give grades to Tottenham players and I'll give grades to

(39:21):
the Arsenal players.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Yeah, that may be. That may just be an end
of season episode two. Right, Well, that's what well, that's.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
What I mean.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
No, not right now, just after the season.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yeah, we'll do a whole episode on that, but just
for now, from a pressure point standpoint, is next year
the year that kind of everything comes to a head,
because for me it is you finish second three years
in a row. You go to a semi final of
a Caravell Cup and get your pants pulled down by Newcastle.

(39:51):
You go to a semi final of a Champions League
and you can't muster a goal in just after huffing
and puffing against the side that was giving up goals
for fun, against the team that's below you in the league,
and aston Villa that cut you to ribbons at their place.
So your your FA Cup run was less than stellar.

(40:14):
I think next year he's got to win something and
they're going to reinforce this summer and they're going to
bring in a striker and making go on withes about
how they lost Havertz for for months and how soccer
was out for a long time and that's fine and
and and Gabriel was out.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
For I don't think anyone Liverpool this year though.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
But but it's still disappointing to see city fall off.
And if I would have said to you at the
beginning of the season, that city we're going to finish
with the points that they were going to finish, And
you and I both guessed who was going to be
the team that won the league. In your heart of hearts,
you would have said Arsenal, just like I would have

(40:52):
and and that's.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
The cold heart truth.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
So that's why it's sool Thankstone.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
It's five, it's not three sixteen. But yeah, but they
did end up having a decent showing in the Champions League.
They ended up knocking out Real Madrid, So I can
take some positives from the season. I just can't take
a trophy like you can from the season.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
But they'll both be in the same place next season, and.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
The pressure will squarely be on our tetis shoulders, Like
he's going to now be given a huge budget from
all reports to go out and get a striker, and
when they get somebody and get him in there, he's
going to come in and be expected to score fifteen
to twenty goals across all competitions next year and everything
will kind of filter down from there. They're taking a

(41:42):
fifteen year old on their Asian tour this this fifteen
year old Max Dowman, who's supposedly a wonder kid. So
we'll see how they integrate him. But the future is
certainly bright for them, and despite it being a disappointing
season with no trophies, I think the pressure is squarely.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
On him next season.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Do you agree with that or do you do you
think that kind of they're just the they're they're they've
reached their ceiling where they're where you don't expect more
from them, where this is just them and kind of
you'll just accept it from from kind of a neutral
or anti arsenal point of view.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
It's interesting, right because I think I remember when we
had Robbie Lylon good dude, he basically saying, well, it's
hard to win trophy, and you know, we're doing pretty well. Basically.
It was almost like he was saying, we're kind of
happy with where we're at, you know what I mean,
And if we don't win trophies, that's fine because we're

(42:42):
going to be in the top four. We're gonna be
the Champions League. And that's that, which is true, Like
you are. Anyone picking you outside the top four would
be ludicrous, you know what I mean, Even though it
could have come down to the last game and if
you know so and so would have won and drew
and blah blah blah, weird mathematical formula for you to
miss out on the top five this year, which it'll

(43:05):
probably be five next year too, if we're being hopeful anyways.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
You would think so with probably eight or nine teams
in Europe, where Crystal Palace winning the FA Cup, Newcastle
if they miss out going into a conference league, winning
the Carabell Cup and so on.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
So I guess my point is right now, the pressure
is coming from kind of the fringe. I would say,
this is how I feel anyways, that it's coming from
the fringe Arsenal fans, it's coming from the Twitter, chronically
online people that I was talking about that he needs
to win a trophy means because the majority, I would again,

(43:41):
this is all just feeling. There's no facts here. This
is just my feelings. The majority, I think, are okay
with where you're at, where you've been, where you're going.
But if he doesn't win anything next year, and again
it's like Netflix, you know, just waiting for next season.
If he doesn't win anything next year, I think you

(44:02):
would be hypocrites to not put pressure on them, and
not just you specifically. I just mean that the base
Arsenal fans, because that's been the whip that you have
hit Spurs with for decades, you know what I mean?
Almost two decades. Now it's time to win something and
I don't does an FA Cup fill you up?

Speaker 3 (44:23):
For me?

Speaker 4 (44:23):
It would? But are you above an FA Cup if
you're mckel Arteta, I don't know. Are you above a
League Cup? Or is it only We've got to win
the Premier League and that's that, Or you've got to
win the Champions League because that's gonna be tough. I
think both of them are gonna be tough. I don't
see Liverpool going anywhere. City surely can't. Well. I guess
it depends on what happens with the Bruna their whole

(44:43):
other thing. But it's are you above Is it only
those two competitions? Or are you above?

Speaker 2 (44:49):
No?

Speaker 3 (44:49):
It's easy to say.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
It's easy to sit here and say it's those two
or boss, But then you know, you get into a
final like City did when they've had like their worst
season in forever. But oh my god, they're in an
f A Cup final against Pallace, a team that they
on paper should be, but they end up not winning
and going home with no trophies.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
So a zero. Who would have thought we see the day.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Who would have thought that get to a final and lose.
I mean that's almost even worse. So I can't I
can't sit here and.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Tell you that. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we elimated them
from the Carabout Cup.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yes, yes, Tottenham eliminated them from the Carabou Cup and
then went on to beat Liverpool one miil at home
and then go pumped.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
What a moment. Yeah, but that that game stunk. Anyways,
Arsenal trophies go on.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
No, just that.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
I I would think that in most Arsenal fans' minds,
challenging for the league next year has to be priority
number one. Forget Champions League.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
That's challenging for the league's but they they have to.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
See a couple of years ago it came to your
club getting a result against City, they didn't and then
Arsenal capitulated in the last couple of matches this year.
I mean the race was over in what March early April,
so it didn't even get to the match where the
Arsenal were going to play at anfield late in the season.

(46:25):
We were looking at that for months as to how, oh,
that would be.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
So cool if they were within you know, a.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Couple of points, a handful, even five points you know,
would have got them where if they would have won,
they would have been within two and been within a.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Game a weekend of passing them.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
But it never got to be. Liverpool ended up going
on the road getting some results. They got that result
at Forrest that they that they didn't deserve or early
in the season, and it just seemed like everything was
kind of lining up for them this year with kind
of a last dance mentality with Ali Lexander Arnold going
to Spain and even though there was a first year manager.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
By the way, that is seculation. That is a joke
that he's going to Real Madrid, and people are defending that.
Just quick side note, he's not going out of his
comfort zone to another country. He's going to a place
where you can sneeze and win a trophy. There's nothing
brave about going to Real Madrid. I think it's a
joke that he's gone there.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
I wholeheartedly disagree with you. If a club like Real
Madrid comes, you've won everything to win, You've won everything.
If he did not win a trophy there or if
he did not win let's say the Champions League there,
He's won a Premier League, he's won a Champions League,

(47:42):
he's won an FA Cup, he's won a Capril, he's
won all four trophies there as a member of Liverpool.
So he's done all there is to do. Now he's
going to play for Real Madrid. Your guy, Gareth Bale,
or he would have been your guy. And Tottenham made
out like bandits on that they sold him for a
hundred dred million and this was ten years ago, so

(48:03):
and listen on avb really wasted a lot of that money.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
We don't have to go into that. But this is
for the Tottenham fans out there. But Bail was a
fantastic player.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
And won I think five Champions Leagues with Real Madrid.
So if dred Alexander Arnold is going to Real Madrid
to win more Champions leagues? Yes, is he going to
be in only a three or four team race in
the Premier League? Excuse me? In La Liga?

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Yeah, but he would have been in the three or
four team racing.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
It's a two horse race in It's at.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Least a four horse in the last couple of years.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
I believe they won a league title and they were
in a few Champions League finals. I mean, they're they're
a really good side in Spain. I mean, Spain has
some sides that are that are no joke too.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
I mean so, I mean BARSA eighty five, Real Madrid
eighty one, third place, Athletic CO Madrid seventy three. I
mean that that is well, you're.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Having a little bit of an off year, but there
they're still there's still a historic they've been up there.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
I mean it's been a three horse race. I think
one of the last couple of years. It was definitely
a three horse race down to the wire.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
But nevertheless, we we agree to disagree there because I
think he owes it to himself to take that big
money move and to go play in Spain and to
go play abroad.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
There's just no glory in it.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
I I disagree. I think that if he was going
to play for some Turkish oh, I'll tell you this much,
if he was going to play in Saudi, then I
would complain because.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
That's the money, not for glory, correct, But there's there's
no glory in going to Real Madrid, there's just none.
They're gonna win trophies whether they're going, whether you're there
or not.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
And why can't Why can't Alexander Arnold go there and
win you know, two or three Champions Leagues when he
wouldn't have won another one at Liverpool.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
You don't know that.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
But he's going to go back and he's going to
play for England and still be loved there and play
every two years.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Two years for them for the rest of his career.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
What's that Afield.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
When he when he's in a white jersey either a
Euro's a World Cup every two years.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
I just think it was the right move for him.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Wow, we got to do a Trent Alexander Arnold.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
I just don't. I don't get it there, Robbie, you
and me could be on the bench for Real Madrid
and win a champions like simple as.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
This isn't Kevin. This isn't Kevin Durant joining the Warriors
to win a title like this is this is totally different.
I just think I just think it's.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
It's like the height of their power.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
So so what do you want Alexander Arnold to do?
Go to Brentford, you know, go to Fulham.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Go to stay at Liverpool probably, but.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Well, uh, Liverpool aren't like your club, not exactly known
for paying high wages. A la most Salah who decided
to stay at the club, but only after months and
months and months and months of speculation. Why because he
was holding out for more money. I would too. He's

(51:03):
been the greatest goalscorer of this league, has seven for
the last couple of years.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
We've had this conversation about Real Madrid before though, that like,
I just don't I just don't get.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
So you don't see the allure of it.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I've been not to say that I've been following the
sport for a much longer time than you, but I've
gained such an appreciation for Barcelona and Real Madrid and
what they mean to world football. And it's like going
to play for the Yankees, are going or going to
play for the Red Sox, the Red Sox. I won't
say that that's no chance the Red Sox. It's like
going to play for one of those Restraint, There no

(51:39):
chance there, Joe the going to play Fenway, going to
play the Yankee Stadium, going to play for those other
two iconic franchises, putting on Uh, it's just like, for example,
like a college kid going to go to Notre Dame
and putting on the Golden Hall helmet, like that's au thing.
So you know, there's a reason why Cooper Flag went

(52:01):
to Duke. I mean the duke playing at Cameron Indoor
is one of the coolest things, like playing in a
high school gym with your friends. So yeah, I don't
fault to him.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
You do that.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Actually, I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
That actually is a better argument than what you were saying,
because that actually makes sense to me. You know, like
like a kid, you know, wanting to but I don't know,
like when you're that dominant where like winning the Laaliga,
which they didn't by the way, this year, but most
times they do. Winning La Liga for Real magor is irrelevant,

(52:36):
like not not irrelevant, but just it doesn't because they
do it all the time. It's not special. There's nothing
in there for that if if But Liverpool winning the
Premier League, even though they've done it before, that matters.
That's something in Arsenal winning the Premier League that matters.
Man City winning the Premier League that matters. Real Madrid

(52:57):
winning Laaliga is like them walking in the park. They
do it all the time. It's you know, it's like
going through a drive through for them, it's like just
eating McDonald's again.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
You know. It's well, let me twist this question around
here to with the Tottenham finish. Okay, if Harry Kane
decides I've now won a trophy and in a year
or two he comes back to the Premier League to
break the goal scoring record, right, your eyes just perked out, right,

(53:29):
So like, if he goes, would you begrudge him if
he wanted to play for Manchester United? Because they are
Manchester United. I mean, for listen, Arsenal's not Manchester United.
Manchester United are arguably the biggest global brand you know

(53:50):
in the I mean Beckham's played for them, Rooney.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
I mean you can go down the line.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Are they the biggest club in football? Man United?

Speaker 3 (53:56):
That is right?

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yes, you recording?

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Would you fault him for going to United and not
going back to Timeham?

Speaker 4 (54:10):
Absolutely one. I would you've done it all, You've wont
you got your trophy, We've got our trophy. Let's let's
reunite one last time. Let's get you the Premier League
scoring championship. Will probably win hopefully probably take that back, entertain,
hopefully win another trophy together and we'll see what happens.

(54:32):
You know that to me, And he tweeted out congratulations
of Spurs last night. I checked his Twitter, so I
knew he'd be watching. It's it's a sad. It's a
sad almost like tragedy play that we had to leave
each other to to get trophies without each other. It's

(54:52):
it's sad, you know, it's almost like a like the
end of a sad chick flick, you know, where they
had to leave each other to find love or something
like that. But no, I'd happily. I would big grudge
him if he went to United or City or Liverpool
and especially one of you mugs. No chance, No, no,
that'll never happen. So no, that's definitely not no son,

(55:15):
What are we talking about.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
No, So we just know.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
So we certainly disagree on whether or not, you know,
we think there's a lot of pressure going into next season,
and you think that they should revisit it. We we
should revisit kind of the topic of whether or not
he's on the hot seat come the end of next season.

(55:39):
And I think kind of early into next season, and
again their their league form.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Has been pretty good.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
They've they've kind of hit the ground running here the
last couple of seasons in the league and especially in Europe,
so I expect him to do that, especially with with reinforcements.
But I still think the pressure is going to ratchet
up next year, especially if they're not where everybody wants them,
all the Arsenal fans want them to be when it

(56:06):
comes to the League eure Rope. I think they'll be fine.
It's it's just a matter of the kind of fending
off a reloading Manchester City. Obviously, Liverpool will be there.
Chelsea are are going to be probably improved next year.
You would think that a lot of their younger players
are going to get better so and perhaps they'll stay healthier.
They've had health issues, just like Arsenal and Tattenham have.

(56:29):
So I just I'm happy with the season and will
go over a kind of a season review. But I'm
kind of left wanting more.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
I could, Oh, you're left sorry, I hit a button there,
You're left wanting more?

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Yeah, I'm left wanting more.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
You can take certain things from this season, but without
any jeopardy in the last couple of months of the
league season and everything relying on Champions League. You saw
what happened for Tottenham, it paid off where they kind
of focused on Europe and for Arsenal they focused on

(57:12):
Europe and they ended up coming up predictably short.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
So you had no choice once March hit, you had
the focus on Europe.

Speaker 6 (57:21):
Yeah, no, there's no doubt about it, and they were
able to secure second place, which leads us to our
next topic, which is the top five kind of where
the teams sit.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
And you see those three teams sitting on sixty six.
City will qualify with a win pretty much or a
draw unless some one of the other teams in contention
scores a lot of goals. But looks like with the result,
City will qualify. Chelsea need to win obviously, Forrest need

(57:52):
to win and have help. So how do you handicap this?
And is there one team kind of you want to
pick out from there that that you want to talk
about their season?

Speaker 4 (58:03):
And there is one who means.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
The most to if they were to qualify for.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Champions Who it means the most is Forest It's not
even close, which they is entirely possible they win, and uh,
you know Villa draw and United drop points. I think
it's possible for them. But uh, the team I want
to talk about is Chelsea and our neighbors to the important.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
For them Actually, to be honest with you.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
Well, it's definitely more important to Forest. I mean they
they were relegation fodder a year ago. You know, to
be in the Champions League would be unbelievable for them.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I'm coming from a different angle where it's more important
financially and for the stability of the club for Chelsea
to make Champions League next year.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Not from a fans stand.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
I think Bully is a little richer for than whoever
the Forest owners are. But I think the team that
I'm most excited to see what happens with. I mean,
that's the game in hell, I don't even know how
I'm going to watch the games on Saturday, because that's
the game I want to see the result of.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
More more on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
They're all on Sunday or Sunday, it doesn't irrelevant. That's
the game that I have circled on my calendar because
if Chelsea lose and they're out of the Champions League,
I mean, could they drop the farthest they could drop
is seven, so they're they're in Europe right for sure,

(59:37):
But then they win the conference, could.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Bump the.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
Guarantee yep, So that would just be and I and
our friend Malina congratulated me on the the Championship the
Europa League trophy. Jesse did as well. But for every
other Chelse not them. Boy, would that be delicious to watch,

(01:00:04):
you know what I mean? Just to see them completely
capitulate at the last second, lose to Forest on the road.
I believe that would be just excluding those two people,
that would be just so delicious, especially given the fact
that Spurs are in the Champions League and they will

(01:00:26):
not be so delicious if that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
I think Forrest the last few weeks have kind of
been sputtering towards the finish line here. I mean drawing
that game with Lester at home, seeing the owner appear
on the pitch arguing with new No.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
That one's tough, tough.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
I just I just have a feeling I predicted Chelsea
to make Champions League at the beginning of the season,
and I'm going to stick with it now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
I think they'll find a way.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
To get a win, not even a draw. I think
they're gonna win on Sunday at Forrest somehow, some way
and get a result and get into Champions League, because
the way Forest have played have been uninspiring and I
just don't I just don't see a way back now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
That ground is tough to play out and I may
be wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Here and I've jinxed it for the Blues, but just
kind of looking around those other clubs, I mean, you're
you are right, and that it would mean the most
kind of to the fan base and to just see
a new team well I mean not even Forest, not
exactly new and back in the seventies they were in

(01:01:40):
Europe every season, but.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
That was before you and I were both born.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
So it would be nice to see those teams the
team for me, and don't get me wrong, seeing Forrest
and they would be cool. But Newcastle for me is
the one that I think has a lot of jeopardy
because because if you see all the rumors about Alexander Esach,
I mean, he was arguably the best striker in the

(01:02:07):
league this year and for him to not play Champions
League next year if Newcastle somehow don't get a result
would be kind of something that would be thrown back
into the forefront.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
So Newcastle or.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
A club that they played well, they won a Caravel
Cup this year. I do think that they will get
a result. But if something rye against Everton, you know,
watch out there. I'll say this anything, I mean, anything
can happen. It's one match, so that's why I'm throwing
it out there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
I just think there's a lot of jeopardy there too
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Especially with their striker. You see rumors of Anthony Gordon
perhaps leaving as well, so it'd be interesting to see
what happens with Newcastle on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
Here's my official prediction for how this shapes out. I
think Villa beat United and I think they get in
so that would put them at sixty nine. Nice. I
think Forrest beat Chelsea in a horrible to watch one
nil Forest special maybe two nil with like a last

(01:03:11):
second counterattack, and I think Newcastle win as well. I
think that puts Chelsea down to seventh. I just have
a and this is coming from our friend Jesse who's
a Chelsea fan who's been texted he has got no
confidence going this weekend. None and Anthony Taylor is doing
it as well, so good luck for that. That's just

(01:03:33):
how that is my gut feeling of how it's gonna transpire.
So we'll see what happens. But that would be devastating
for Chelsea if they didn't make Champions League. It's it's
not so much of who it means the most to
to make it, it's who would be the most devastated
by not making it. And I think the answer that
question is Chelsea.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
No, that's fair, and they'll be obviously the prominent match
up on Sunday as as as like you said, that's
the UH. That's kind of the match where where both
squads have a lot to play for. All the other
matches will be taking place at the same time here

(01:04:16):
at ten am Central Time, eleven am Eastern back here
in the States, mid afternoon over.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
In the UK.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
I think we've pretty much kind of run the UH
on the gauntlet here. I think we've we've covered a
lot here just kind of talking about Ange and his future.
Perhaps by the next time, yeah we chat, there will
be something decided with him. But Arsenal take on Southampton

(01:04:45):
on the weekend, Tottenham take on Brighton and both games
really don't mean much. I think I think both of
us will Yes, we'll be watching our squads and it'll
be a victory lap for for for Tottenham and for
our it'll be finishing out a second place campaign. But
we'll both have one eye on the Chelsea Forest match

(01:05:06):
as well as the Newcastle and.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Villa United Villa United matches, and to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
See who joins London North London in the Champions League
next year. That size says it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
All of us are in the Champions League's have you
ever seen that Bob's Burger's clips is like it's like
looking in a mirror. That's because we're in the same
We're both in the Champions League. Wednesday nights come to
North London.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
We have we have a club here in Minneapolis, folks.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
And we'll end on this note before we say goodbye.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Let's call First Avenue.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
It was popularized by Bye Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Prince Brett and I are are actually going this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
We'll let you know on next weekends.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
On next week's episode, we're going to see a band
called Hotspur Fatigue. They're opening I always love thatway. Yeah,
So Hotspur Fatigue progressive rock band.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
Watching Tottenham on a Wednesday night. You played Thursday because
of fucking shy, what a feel and what anight? Oh
what tonight? Playing Wednesday nights next year? And we got
a trophy? Baby, come on, I'm trying to get you
to end this podcast by annoyance. I'm gonna keep going
until we until we end the show. Is that that?

(01:06:32):
Did I do it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
I think so, folks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
I've i've, i've, I've exhausted all my Tottenham takes for
today and we we we hope you enjoy the final
weekend of Premier League action. But again, it's it's a
momentous occasion for one of the clubs. We've been doing
this podcast now for three seasons and I would have
put the little money that I have in my bank

(01:06:56):
account that Tottenham would not be the one to win
the trophy from the two of us first and lo,
and behold, there they are with the Europa League trophy.
So for bruplake More representing the Europa League champion, Tottenham Hotspur,
for myself, Robby Rosenas representing second place, second place is

(01:07:20):
first loser. So I'm gonna get that tattooed. It's just
a matter of which eyebrow am I left or my right?

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
And we'll be back with you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Next week to recap the season and much more, and
a special guest we'll be joining us. Stay tuned right
here on the London Club Europa.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
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It's just audio only. It's a little slide show, but
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