Eric Sunstead

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get a copy of the book. Sorry, can't just lie,
And I'm really excited to speak to our first guest. Yes,
Eric Sunstead is a man that I met as Eric Miller,
and we're going to get more into that. But Eric,
haven't seen in a while.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
How you doing.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's been a while. It's been a while, And it
almost came to fruition a couple weeks ago. We won't
get into the details of my horrid travel experience, but
got stuck in Boston, not anywhere close to Syracuse. But
we were gonna convene for a nice golf outing with
the SU alumni crew, and it just it wasn't meant
to be for me. Do you guys have a good time?

Speaker 5 (03:14):
I did not go.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
No, I couldn't go either, So I heard about.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Your travels and the whole nightmare through. You didn't even
you weren't. You hadn't even attempted, not under solidarity, but
you had. I didn't even on there. I figured, you
know what it's having worth it? No, that was actually
the first year I haven't gone in a while. But yeah,
didn't go, Yeah, I said, you along with Scott Damon,
I have to say, are part of the people that
get people out that don't necessarily think they want to

(03:39):
go or have other things that they could, you know,
certainly make an excuse, and they may say can't they can't.
I can't make Yeah, the perfectly didn't author could not
be here tonight because can't.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
It's not a word.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Just don't want to use that word can't exactly no.
When you use it you get smacked, especially if authors
here and smack us. Now, I think of you, and
I think of this chapter because we like to, you know,
number one, find a great guest, line them up. But
then think about what aspects of the book and your
professional career has really defined Kent. Now let's go back

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to the soccer experience, because we could certainly rely on
the game's due count and that falls into play. But
can you came from Ohio Wesleyan. First of all, I
want to give a shout out to the hometown of Pittsford.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
Pittsford, New York.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
You got it up near Rochester, Correctyeah, Blububle.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
Of Rochester, New York at Pittsford.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
Mend in high schools where I went.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, yeah, Now you went to Ohio Wesleyan.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
What their freshman year?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yes, playing ball. Now, how did it come to fruition
that you found yourself in Syracuse as a sophomore year.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
I knew of Alden, our coach, Alden Shaddick. I wasn't
really thinking about Syracuse at the time. Coming out of
high school. I was recruited by a number of other schools.
Ohio Weston kind of put the full court press on
me a little bit. I went there. I liked it,
but it was the school. I realized the school was
too small and the soccer was great. I mean, we're,
you know, one of the top schools of the country

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soccer wise. But I started thinking about Syracuse my parents
went there.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
I've always loved the school. I connected with Alden.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
Ironically, my coach at Ohio Westling and j Martin, who
was one of the all time best coaches of throughout
the country. He was I think roommates with Alden at
Springfield College. One thing led to another.

Speaker 6 (05:23):
I wanted to transfer and made it work, and I'm
glad I did.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Was that I mean, because back then, let's let's not
date ourselves too much, but it was. It wasn't even email.
It was phone calls and letters.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Was it a year off two like some people.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
That's a good question. Ironically, it's it's interesting because it
was going from Division three to Division one. When you
go to Division one and Division three back in the
day you had to sit out a year three to one,
you didn't. So I went there and actually had to
get the release letter from the school. It actually took
longer than we thought it would be. I don't know
if you remember, Rick, but I missed like the first

(05:58):
two games because I wasn't officially cleared. So my first
game back, my first game for Syracuse was the Yukon game,
and we beat him in the dome. Oh boy, or
that that was great because they were you know, they
had been won the national championship a couple of years before,
and you know, we were on the underdog whatever. So
that was my first game in a Syracuse uniform, and
so I had missed a couple of games in the beginning,
but it wasn't big deal.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
So it's interesting when you talk about we spoke earlier
about Alden shadow coach. Would they cut, you know, being roommates.
Were they cut from the same cloth, Were they similar?

Speaker 5 (06:28):
They were complete opposites? Wow, I really thought that they were.
It was interesting because Alden was kind of reserved, really
knew the game. Jay knew the game really well too,
But Jay was one of those guys that was always
joking around and just very outgoing. Alden was just a
little bit more reserved. But once you got to know Alden,
as we all know, Alden was the central great guy
and he knew knew soccer like no one else.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, so it was right after your I mean it
was one year when we went that was a very
successful year where you went to the first round of
the NC Double A's and then not long thereafter lost
to Hartwick. But we were what were you so This
was eighty five. I was a junior, junior, you were
a sophomore. Was your first year there where Alden came

(07:09):
in and announced to us, a complete shock that he
was going to your school Maryland.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
Yep, went to the terms and it was a shock
out school.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
So disappointed. You know, it's like, oh my god, you
kidding me. I'm settling in here. This is going to
be great. Loved Alden is my favorite coach of all time,
and uh, you know, he was disappointing. It was a
shock because you remember.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
More Son, Yeah, I mean, you guys are indoor all winter.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
There were certain there were certain meetings where you just
kind of go and get blindsided, and that was definitely
one of them where he's leaving and you know, for
me junior, you sophomore, and you just transferred in. So
it was one full year and probably the most successful season,
and then all of a sudden, we're starting again. So
talk about the difference in coaching styles or or maybe

(07:54):
the quick departure from Alden's style to Tim and how
that affected you, because we're gonna get to in a
second your coaching career.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
Yeah, I mean it basically in my college career I
had three different coaches. You know, that's that doesn't happen
very often, except in that nowadays, when guys are transferring
grad students in the whole, you know, the college atmosphere
is completely different now, But Backvelin was it was rare
for three different coaches in my career, so it was
definitely a challenge. You know, Tim was one of those

(08:24):
guys who wanted to come in and make a name
for himself right away. What he didn't realize is that
we had such a core, unbelievable group. We had one
senior that was graduating. I mean, we were definitely one
of the better teams in the country. I mean we
were top twenty the whole year, both those years off
and on. And I think put it this way, I'm
not saying it was easy for him. It was difficult

(08:45):
to coming in there with only, you know, having no recruits.
You know, maybe a couple of recruits that he brought
in at the last minute, but he basically inherited a
full squad that was one of the best in the country.
So that's difficult.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
I pointed the example of our friend guy the team,
Kevin Ward Smith, who couldn't have been less of a
discipline problem, but got in quickly, got into trouble as
I did and other seniors. Was just it was just
looking back. Tim haggettson God, you know, May rest in
peace really was just trying to, you know, shake things

(09:19):
up and put his stamp on the team.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
He was and I think, you know, in my opinion,
I think that was a mistake because what you do
is you inherit a good team. You work with that,
the chemistry is there. You don't want to disrupt that.
Maybe you have your input, maybe you put your stamp
on a few things, but to disrupt it. As much
as I think it was disrupted, I didn't agree with it.
Having said that, we got through it and we did well,

(09:43):
you know, and again it wasn't easy for him, but
we had a core chemistry that made it work. And
you know, a few guys here and there weren't happy,
but we made it work. I think we could have
had a better record and done actually better than we did,
even though we won the biggest championship. I think we
could have gone further. But ironically, if you remember, they
stopped the automatic bids if you went to a conference

(10:04):
championship that one year so we did get an automatic bid,
which is ridiculous, and they changed it back.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Is it too late to file on the deal on that?

Speaker 6 (10:11):
It was so frustrating because Yukun fans I remember there
yelling you guys were going to the tournament.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
You're not.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
We're like, that doesn't make sense.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
We just beat you, you know.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
So anyways, that's water under the bridge.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
But so I bring up, you know, I bring up
the chapter of the book Sorry Cancer is a lie
by Arthur Lee, and I said, can't. And I realized
that shortly after you got into your adult life, you didn't,
you know, like people would have told you, not only
from the broadcasting, which we'll get to, but from coaching,
you can just jump into Babson College and become a coach.

(10:43):
How did you pull that off?

Speaker 8 (10:45):
So?

Speaker 5 (10:45):
Yeah, I mean briefly, you know, I think I told
you I blew out my knee playing in eight and
I knew I had, you know, nine months to recover.
I still wanted to keep playing, but I knew I
couldn't play right away. So I reached out to the
head coach there who's been there forever, John Anderson. He's
a legend, he's you know, he's he's still there now.
I reached out to him. It took a while to

(11:06):
connect with him, and maybe the winter of nine.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Wait wait wait Eric, so two thousand and eight and
two thousand and nine.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
Correct, Yeah, all year. At this point, I was in
my forties.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
You know, where Pat is learning to a pre and
he's coming a long way since high school because we
went to high school together. Yeah, football, lacrosse or wrestling
certainly wasn't always the easiest of times. With like this
wouldn't have happened as much. So even though we were
lifelong friends.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
I actually bought season tickets to a soccer team this year.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
But yeah, I mean I was. I was playing in
an over forty league and you know, you can't get
out of your blood you want to keep playing. You know,
I was like, still fit, I can still try to play,
and I blew out my knee. But anyways, I never
had knee problems, but you know, age will do that
to you. So long story short, you know, I connected
with coach Anderson and he said, yeah, you know I
could use a volunteer assistant. I'm like, all right, great.
So he's like he's like, well, would you be open

(11:59):
to being the goal and I'm like, I was never
a goalie. I don't I don't know if I could
do that. I don't know if that's gonna help you.
But then I started thinking about it. I'm like, you
know what, I've been a forward my whole life. I've
always wanted to score goals. Maybe that's a different perspective
from a goalie, you know, looking at it from that perspective,
I'm gonna I'm gonna show you how I'm going to
come in and try to beat you. Maybe that'll help
the goalie. So anyways, I inherited a really good goalie.

(12:21):
He was a sophomore at the time started. I think
he started his freshman year as well, even though I
wasn't there that year. But sophomore year on we had
a great rapport. His name's Pete Crowley. Great kid, big kid.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
You know.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
He got to have a big, tall, strong goalie, and
that's what he was. First year, we won our Commerce championship.
Next year I think we did, and then we went
to the Sweet sixteen the last his last two years,
and he became an All American his senior year and
it was definitely because of him, not because of me.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
But we had such a good rapport and a good relationship.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
I think it really helped him and I was willing
to work with him with him however, he wanted to
and give him some ideas from a different perspective as
a forward. And you know, I learned the goalie tricks
and the drells and all that stuff that you did
many years, for many years, and you know, it's a
learning experience what we kind of grew together and it
really worked.

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Speaker 2 (16:31):
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we're talking with Eric Sunstead. Before we went out, you
were talking about seventeen The question I have for you,
seventeen years coaching at Babson. Started out as a volunteer.
At some point, please tell me they started to pay you.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
Yeah, after a couple of years, I said, coach, listen,
can you just say throw me your bone a little bit.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
He worked it out. Yeah, And so I did get paid.
It was part time gig, you know, it's a seasonal thing.
But I came back, you know, and got paid for
most of the time. There's so many good connections with
the alums, Like my daughter's looking for a job now,
she's getting hooked up with my former players. It's such
a great connection and I think that's really valuable, especially
for a small school. But it's it's a great business school.

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So the alums have been very helpful.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
That's great because Babson it seems to be the community.
Like I remember other schools in the Northeast, certainly Syracuse
had a name. What's that school in Rhode Island that
is like Williams. No, not Williams Bryant. It was a
college and it's university, but it really seemed to like,
you know, create its own high point as another one
that had kind of come on and created an identity.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
We've seen them blossom.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, it's Brian.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
You mentioned Brian. That's a great business school too, and
my son went to Bentley. So Bentley, Bryant, and Babson
are all fantastic business schools with three bees in this
New England area. They're all really good business schools and
the great entrepreneurs come out of all the schools all
the time. I mean the bomba Sock guys.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
Those guys are Babs and kids from however many.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Years ago, Bryan, Bradley and Babson. But three D we'll
come back to soccer coaching. But I want to also
talk about you know, you go to Syracuse University School
of Business.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
Correct, No, I was actually an arts and scientist, so
I I was a psychological.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Sciences of psychology, which is great, which is perfect for
dealing with me. But you didn't go to the broadcasting
school so New House. So if you ask people that
went to Syracuse, especially that weren't playing a sport, and
you told them, you know what, one day, I'm going
to broadcast for the ACC and the and the I
guess the Big East n C Double A games and
all over the Northeast. You were involved with may Seam's.

(18:34):
People again would say you can't do that, Eric, How
did the broccasting start?

Speaker 6 (18:40):
Well, you know I did. I took a few classes
in New House.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
Obviously wasn't in the school, but you know, I got
a I got a real taste of it, and you
were in it, so you knew more than anyone how
great a school it was, and you get a flavor
of that. And I always it was always interested in broadcasting.
And then when I came to Boston, I had been
training with a few teams and I got in. I
was in contact with the USL team called the Boston Bulldogs,

(19:03):
and I was doing some stuff for them, and you know,
I started announcing with them, and I connected with the
Revolution because they were sort of like the farm team
for the Revs, not officially, but you know, they move
guys up and down all the time.

Speaker 6 (19:15):
We played with them with the Revs and stuff.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
So just connected with them and I said, you know,
if you ever meet a fill in guy, here's my
my resume tape, and let me know what you think.
And sure enough they called, and for three or four
years I was the filling guy for TV and radio,
probably you know, four or five games a year, which
say isn't a lot, but you know it was. It
was a blast. You know, I was doing games and
what's now Gillette Stadium before I did Fox Furth Stadium

(19:39):
before that before they tore it down, and then Gillette.
You know, I traveled a couple of times in New
York and Kansas City. So you know, it's really about
the resume tape. And you know, if you have a
good education, a good degree, that's going to take you places.
And if you if you're okay on air, good enough,
someone will give you a shot.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
But I'm watching his reels in the last couple of
days and really amazing that there wasn't roll on air training.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
They didn't go to Connecticut the School of Broadcaster.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
No.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
No, And I wouldn't I thank you, thank you for that, Ricky,
I wouldn't say that. I mean, there's always learning going on.
I mean there are times that I'm still doing games
for BC and I'm like, what I'm learning is you
got to like talk less sometimes, as you know, some
of the great announcers just let the game speak for itself.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah. Great Pella Cameras doesn't know that, but.

Speaker 6 (20:21):
Yeah, I know a lot of American guys don't, you know.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
And you watch the you know, the Premier League, and
some of the guys they just sit back and what
the game, do the talking, and that's what you have
to do. Sometimes it's hard not to talk about certain
players and what's going on, what you see on the field,
because you get really excited about it. We have to
step back a little and kind of chill out, you know.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
But that's especially in the role of color or play
by play right to both really need to let the
game breathe. Again, watching the reel is very impressed with
you passion your knowledge of the game, which you know
no one can no one can doubt. But it's not
an easy thing because we've seen former players, former coaches

(21:00):
stumble in that role.

Speaker 6 (21:02):
Believe me, I stumble all the time. And you know
it is it's a learning thing.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
The more games you do, the better you get, and
the more comfortable you get you're play by play guy.
I mean, I've had some really good guys that are
just total pros. You know. That always helps too, you
know that you got a good partner and they kind
of lead the way and then let you let you
go with what you got.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
With the World Cup coming up, is there any avenue
for you to participate in that arena? I don't know.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
I you know, it's kind of I'm kind of behind
the eight ball right now. I haven't really reached out
and done a lot of that. I've been real busy
with a lot of other stuff of work and family stuff.
But it's not out of a question, you know. I
I would love to be like a sideline reporter for
games or you know, I did the Women's World Cup
at Gilette many many years ago. Just sideline stuff, you know,

(21:49):
and I've always been kind of involved with that, but
I I've kind of been removed from the revs for
the last few years because they're broadcasting changed a bit.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
Brett Bratt Felman I know pretty well, but you know,
so things have changed.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
I don't know. I'm totally open to it. I want
to do as much as I can and stay in
the game, but I'll be doing a lot of Boston
college games this fall, doing some ACC games.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
So is the World Cup? Is it all over the
country again or is it mostly Westleast Street in Mexico.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
Yeah, that'll be all over Yeah, the big cities. And
ironically this is just kind of a footnote Babs. And
we've always hosted like international teams because we have a
great campus that's away from the city so the people,
you know, the guys can't go out whatever. We hosted
Juventus a few years ago. They trained with us for
two weeks while they traveled different parts of the country
to play exhibitions and stuff. So in ninety four they

(22:35):
had Batston hosted Argentina. There's some good stories about Oh Boy,
Markna and stuff. So I wasn't there then, but some
good stories because we have a hotel on campus, don't
truly help.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
The Boston Marathon. Does that run by Babson?

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Not far?

Speaker 6 (22:48):
Yes, it's a it's about a mile away.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, I remember that a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
You did it.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
I did a half marathon. We stopped in Wellesley just halfway.
My brother had a house there.

Speaker 6 (22:58):
Yeah, Babson's in Wellesley. Yeah, I'm in which is the
next town over?

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:02):
And what do you do full time?

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Eric? So?

Speaker 6 (23:03):
I worked for a federal housing program. I mean, I'm
a director for a federal housing program.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Is that all across the country.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
We subsidized vouchers national that the federal vouchers. So I'm
I'm the director of the federal program. But we're obviously
based in Massachusetts, so we have a state program as well.
But most of our you know, most of the people
that we work with are in Massachusetts, but they can
they can move anywhere in the United States.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
I was just thinking of our weekend audience, which is
in you know, California, Texas, Orlando, Allentown, and then of
course New York. I always, you know, sometimes forget when
we're talking about all this extra stuff that you do.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Believe me, it's it's a grind. Has been in the
fall seasons of grind. That's why I had to really
hang it up this year for now.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Anyways, Yeah, another thing that we talked about earlier when
catching up was Teamimpact dot Org yep, and you know,
as you mentioned it and I started doing a little research.
What an amazing organization line from New York to make
a wish, but different more so along stand relationship with
someone rather than like an event like you know, I

(24:03):
want to go to Disney World. How did you get
involved with Team Well.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
I mean it's really through BAPS and they reach out
to colleges throughout the country and they really try to place,
you know, kids with disabilities with a college team, and
that's what they did with with BAPS. And we've had
a team then back player with us for maybe twelve
years something like that. Will mcceu is his name. Great kid,

(24:27):
he's I think he's about thirteen or fourteen years old now,
so he started with us when he's really young, and
he's been a part of the team, like you cannot believe.
The guys just embrace him. He embraces the team.

Speaker 6 (24:38):
His his family is an unbelievable family.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
They're so nice. We've really gotten to know them well,
and I can't tell you how much of a difference
it makes in the kid's life and the family's life
really too. That's their only kid, you know, and he
has a disability, but you know, you wouldn't know. He's
just he's the greatest kid. And all the schools in
the New England area are really they're embracing this, this
team impact program unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
You mentioned the Crafts involved.

Speaker 6 (25:03):
Yeah, I think I think a couple of the Crafts
are on the Board of Directors. I don't know how involved.
I don't know if they helped create it or not.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
I only know this through I know a guy that
used to be on the board or maybe still on
the Border Directors. He had mentioned he was good friends
with the Crafts from their younger days, and I know
that they're involved somehow, but I need to dig in
a little deeper to find out how. I don't know
if they were part of the creation of it. Maybe
one of their colleagues was. But I know they're on
the board. What lean more than Jonathan Kraft might be
one of the Crafts is they embrace it as well?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Obviously, the other aspect of the book that we wanted
to talk about the serenity prayer or the guidance as
you've grown adult well, whether it was from college or
or after. How much does faith and the serenity prayer
in particular play a part in Eric's life?

Speaker 5 (25:47):
One hundred percent, you know, And it's I think I
touched on it briefly with you before, is it. You know,
the older you get, the more faith you have, and
I think a lot of things change and you look
at life a little bit differently, and you know it
you tie in sports and what you've learned as an
athlete growing up and how powerful that can be and
how strong that can make you when you when you
face diversity.

Speaker 6 (26:07):
I mean we all face stress all the time.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
I mean it's like at an all time high across
this country with anxiety and the politics and just reading
the news. Sometimes you just don't want to read the
news because it's like, what the heck's going on here?

Speaker 3 (26:19):
You know?

Speaker 5 (26:19):
So I think faith ties in with that, and the
older you get, the more faith you have, and the
more you want to dive into, you know, whether it's
religion or just a spirituality or whatever it is. You know,
I think I'm totally on board with that now and
I'm just kind of navigating it now. But again, I
think it's it comes with age, and it comes with
all the challenges you have in life. And I've been

(26:40):
so crazy busy for a number of years. And now
that my kids are, you know, they're adults now, you know,
now it's another phase, another challenge for them and for
all of us. So faith is huge, and I'm trying
to learn about it even more.

Speaker 7 (26:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, I'm not sure if you were exposed to as
I was. The Athletes in Action back in college was
like vibe for athletes. It was a great organization, a
lot like you know, Team Impact dot Org. Athletes in Action.
They had a guy, Walt Day, who was on campus
and I found great comfort, especially dealing with what we
were talking about earlier with a new coach and some

(27:15):
guess trials and tribulations of dealing with a new coach,
strong personality, maybe throwing people off the team for periods
of time. And it was incredible source of comfort and
strength that I got from mister Walda in the shout
out to wherever well, I think he's in the New
England area. So if you ever right let's pass. Yeah,

(27:36):
Walda was a great guy at KOLOG Greg Klog. You know,
I'm going to drop more names, and I would would
go we were roommates, but we would go to this
Bible study. Most of the more prominent athletes at Syracuse time,
Tim Green, Howard, Trish, Don McPherson of course, the quarterback
from West Hampstead here on Long Island. Great organization, you know,

(27:57):
faith based ministries and and so groups. Nothing but help.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yeah, And I really, I really wish I had I
had become more a part of that back then because
I you know, I wasn't was never really a religious person.
But you know, looking back on it now, that really
would have been really helpful on all the stuff he
had to deal with as a college kid in general
and athletics.

Speaker 6 (28:15):
I mean, we were we were going all the.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
Time, full force, year round because of of what we
you know, what were you committed to? And you know,
managing that with academics isn't always easy for a lot
of kids.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
You know, So no doubt. Now, So coming up in September,
what do we got We're going to see each other
in person?

Speaker 5 (28:34):
We got yeah, Sopember. Well, if you got it, man,
I guess they're gonna I guess honor our team from
eighty five again, and they did that fifteen years ago,
So that'll be good to see all you guys again
in person.

Speaker 7 (28:44):
Eric.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
It's funny we talked about uh was it fifteen years
ago and that boat Shed was interviewed on the news
or it was before the game where he said, oh,
I see these guys out there, and they showed a
video of us standing out in the field and said
they're not young men anymore.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
One of the players at the time from that from
ten was like, oh yeah, and the old the lums
are out there now, you know, So what are they
going to say this time? Really, all the alums are
out there.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
The rules were different, that's for sure. But Eric, we
appreciate you so much, you know, coming on. What's up
next in the terms of broadcasting.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
So, I think my first game is September nineteenth BC
NC State. I think I'm doing that game. I think
I'm doing the Duke game. I gotta look at the schedule.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Oh acc yup, unbelievable. So the game that we are
going to like be honored at as.

Speaker 6 (29:29):
Stanford Stanford yep, as the s U Stanford Gain.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
Yeah, that's probably on TV two.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah, with all your coaching experience, what will all your
advice be to a senior in high school?

Speaker 3 (29:39):
What what college should they what should they look for
in a program and a coach? Good question, good question.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
It's funny because it all depends on the school too,
because you know, like Babson, because the school's really good
and we've had success. I mean we finished fifth in
the country last year. You know whatever, we did really well.
He only had one loss. Kids are coming to us,
so it's it's almost like have to weed them out.
And the first question is how are you academically because
BAPS is really hard to get into now, so we

(30:06):
don't we can't really spend a ton of time with
guys just aren't going to get in. And then it's
a matter of figuring out who who's gonna fit in,
you know. But to answer your question, you know, kids
are sending videos.

Speaker 6 (30:16):
All the time.

Speaker 5 (30:16):
I mean, my emails are just swamped, and it's like
you gotta get why weed through them? But you got
to have a connection with a coach somehow, and maybe
that that may be at a showcase camp or something.
The key is to reach out and at least get
your name out there to let them know you're interested.
But you have to be genuine about it because there
are kids that just send this out to every school

(30:36):
on the planet, and you got to want to know
that the kid wants to come to BABS. He's got
to want business, he's got to be a good student,
he's got to be a good player. Because you can
go to many other schools with a lot of different options,
but if they want those three things, BAPS is a
place to go. And you know they have to fit
the bill, if you will. But it's tough for a
lot of kids. You know, they're just sending out these

(30:58):
resumes and these these real some of their playing and
it's kind of craps you. Sometimes unless you really stand
out on a showcase, it's hard to be seen.

Speaker 9 (31:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
It's amazing too.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Like when we were kids, there was a kid on
my lacrosse team and his dad would send films to coaches.
Coaches like, what is this we send scouts out to
watch them, you know, and he was so ahead of
his time, but we were all like sort of laughing
at them. You guy would come watch a game and
or come watch someone else you play, you know, on
your team, and you had a good game and.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
It was a highest level.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, high school.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (31:27):
Yeah, that's funny too, because we go to watch some kid.
One we'll go to watch a kid. We see another
kid and he's even better. Like, Oh, let's come after
that kid, you know.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
So yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 6 (31:37):
Yeah, that's it's it's working right now.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
That's how I got to college. I played some lacrosse
because a guy on my team was like the No.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
One recruited player in the country, Roddy Marine and Roddy Marino,
and all the scouts came to watch him.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
It three times. I had good games and guys like
oh what's your name? You know.

Speaker 6 (31:52):
Absolutely, it's part of being on a good team too.
You play with great players. It makes you better, you know, Eric.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
We appreciate you being in the arena. How did it feel?

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Awesome? It is a great show.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
I love listening to Joe Episcopaal the other night. That
was really funny. He sounds like a really good guy.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
I'm awesome, all right, Eric, I love you man. Powder
urk Rick Thatcher will be back with Ray preeby mister
three thousand after this message.

Speaker 9 (32:13):
Hi, A'm Martha Lee, CEO, an inventor of life Back,
a simple choking rescue device that thirteen years ago was
made my garage to protect my daughter.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Now all of these lives have been saved thanks to
life back, over four thousand lives and over two thousand kids.

Speaker 10 (32:31):
But still a child dies every five.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Days of joking.

Speaker 9 (32:35):
Please, our family is everything to us. Consider protecting your
family in a choking emergency with life back. Go to
lifefack dot net today.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Thanks mat, She started to choke on a piece of candy.

Speaker 7 (32:47):
She wasn't breathing.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Then Ray reached for the life back and it saved her.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
She could have easily died that day. A life back
saved her life.

Speaker 7 (32:56):
What I would say is, don't need a life back
and have it.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Have a life back, and hopefully never need it.

Speaker 9 (33:03):
Recently, the American Red Cross has added anti choking devices
as an option when standard protocol fails or is not feasible.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Go to lifefac dot net or called eight seven seven
five four three three eight two to two.

Speaker 9 (33:16):
I'm sorry to bother you, but I have thirty seconds
to give you a very important message. My name is
Arthur leeam the CEO inventor of life Back, a simple
choking rescue device that could save a life in a
choking emergency. We've saved over three thousand lives now, but
we're not there five thousand people you'd choked to death
one child every five days. Please consider protecting your family

(33:38):
in a choking emergency with life back. Go to lifefac
dot net today. Thank you for your time.

Speaker 10 (33:44):
LIFEFAC is proud to be at the forefront of innovation
in choking rescue. Recently, the American Red Cross updated its
guidelines to include anti choking devices as an option for
choking emergencies. This life saving update recognizes the importance of
tools like life AAC designed to help in traditional methods
may not be feasible or fail. LIFEAC is fair when

(34:04):
seconds matter most. Join the thousands of families who trust
Life Act. LIFEAC can make the difference between life and loss.
Go to lifeac dot com to get yours today.

Speaker 9 (34:15):
Hi, I'm Arthur Lee, inventor, founder and CEO of Life
Act and a proud father. Did you know choking is
the fourth leading cause of accidental death. Tragically, one child
dies every five days. Now, imagine your child, your spouse,
or someone you love choking. You have only seconds to act.
It's a situation no one wants to face, but it

(34:35):
can happen to anyone. That's why I created life Back.
Life Back is a life saving airway clearance device that's
already saved over three thousand lives. It's easy to use,
non invasive, and gives you the power to act when
every second counts. Don't wait until it's too late. Visit
lifeac dot net today and use promo code life to

(34:55):
save twenty percent on your life back home kit. That's
lifefact dot net. Promo code Life. Join thousands of families
who own life back life that can make the difference
between life and loss. Go to lifeback dot net and
get yours today.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Now on iHeartRadio more of the Man in the Arena
the Life Back Radio Show. Here again are Arthur Lee
and Rick Thatcher and.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Also Pad O'Rourke. As always, we miss Arthur Lee.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
He cannot be here tonight, and no, it's can't. It's
not a word.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Maybe he just doesn't like the contraction.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
He doesn't like apostropates.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
I don't think. I don't think.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
I don't even want to joke about it because he'll
come in here and he will.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Me a good tarasol exactly.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
We'll be to life Back Posterior. You know, it's this
time of the show where we rely on mister three thousand.
We'll get mister Ray Preby. How are you?

Speaker 7 (35:48):
Oh? Who's that?

Speaker 2 (35:51):
For those that can't see, it's Princess Maya Preby.

Speaker 7 (35:54):
Prince Princess number three thousand. Let me explain why she's
number three thousand. So on October twentieth, twenty twenty four,
that was two hundred and ninety eight days ago. As
a matter of fact, I saved Maya using a life back.
Since then, there's been one thousand, five hundred and twelve
saves in two hundred and ninety eight days. I mean, folks,

(36:15):
if you don't have a life back by now, you
should get one. So we've got some pretty good numbers tonight.
In two hundred and ninety eight days, one thousand, five
hundred and twelve saves. I mean, it's just absolutely amazing
right there. There will come a time when we hit
five thousand saves in one year.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
I just know it in a year, in a year,
And that's Arthur's dream is to have the five thousand
people that die every year of acciental choking eliminated.

Speaker 7 (36:41):
It will change statistics, it absolutely will. I whole hardly
know that this device will change the statistics that are
out every single year.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
A lot more people need to get protected, isn't that right?

Speaker 7 (36:54):
Absolutely? Absolutely? And speaking of protected people, let's go to
the highlight of the week. Yes, because it's going to
give you some goosebumps. It's a good one. The story
comes from the mom My son was choking and the
life back dislodged the food before ems could arrive. He
was eating some gold tish crackers and a clump became

(37:14):
lodged in his airway. He was lying on the floor
and my hunt's been noticed that he may have been
ready for a nap, but then noticed something was off.
When he approached, he saw that he was salivating and
not responding. My husband immediately did backlows in the baby
heimway maneuver without success. He remembered the device that was

(37:37):
in the kitchen. By this point he was on the
baby was unconscious and losing color. He was able to
get the device position it correctly and heard a loud pop.
At that point, my son took a huge breath At
this point, nine to one one had already been called
and they arrived within three to four minutes. We are
one hundred percent certain that the life back saved his life.

(38:00):
I simply cannot express our gratitude. Thank you so much
to everyone, and everyone should get this device. One years old.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
That's the life Save Report. Where people use the life say,
God forbid, you have to use it. Definitely report it.
And this is unsolicited testimony and I.

Speaker 7 (38:20):
Can speak from experience. It works. And again, the last
thing you want to do is be in a position
where your child, loved one parent, stranger is choking around
you and you and there's no help. This device will
provide that help.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Can you imagine even like a one year old you're like, oh,
he's just sleeping, you walk away.

Speaker 7 (38:40):
Yeah, and at that point he was unconscious, so you know,
you know, it was pretty far along.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Now, Ray, you have a catchphrase that's sweeping the country.

Speaker 7 (38:50):
I do, I think, I do, Yes, Yes, I remember
it now like that. Better to have it and not
need it than need it and not have it. The
life I say could be your own, or your child
or your parents could be a stranger who knows save
a life.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Amazing always great right, good stuff, mister three K.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
We'll see you next week. You know we're gonna soon
announce the contest pat where five thousand lives. It's gonna
be a big celebration. People at the Home office are
feverishly working on a contest and the rules and laying
it out how you know, the most fair way. I
think there's gonna be certain criteria, more more so than
pick the date, because you can do the math and

(39:31):
narrow it down to about a week, but more people
are gonna pick. Like if people pick the same day,
say November ninth, like that's the that's the day mathematically.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Can I can I choke myself three times that day
to get three saves?

Speaker 2 (39:46):
No, that's gonna be I'm afraid that's gonna be in
the rules. Pat Okay, no self affixation. You can't guess
and then win yourself, especially if the safe is against yourself.
But what number, Like you have a date in mind
or a ballparking mind, because you're always.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
I'm thinking Thanksgiving ish when we have four five hundred left? Right,
it was going like sixty seventy a week, and I
think the last couple it's still keeping that pace.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Keeping that pace.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
I think what happens a lot is you see the
dates and you see the date of the occurrence, not
always like day up. So a lot of them come
in after the fact or around holidays. It's you know,
there's a lull. But I think, what we need to do.
And next week we have Roadshow Ryan going to be
in studio. Road Show Ryan is in Chantilly, Virginia. Shantilly, Virginia.

(40:36):
Didn't even know there was a Chantilly Virginia out there,
but this gentleman road show Ryan is.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Do you think that's where Schantilly lace comes from? Who knows?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
We're gonna find out next to that. But but I
bring him up because he's doing amazing work for life
back out on the road in costcos all across the country.
He's been in Texas, He's been definitely covered New York
and Connecticut and upstate New York, Texas. Now he's in Virginia.
But he routinely comes across people that come up to
them and tell them that they use the Life Act?

(41:03):
Did you report it?

Speaker 3 (41:05):
No?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
So you know, you always say that's got to be
probably double yeah, I would think so. Yeah, So we
may even you know, if people would wake up and
report the live save. We may already be at five thousand,
so it could happen any day, but we're going to
be back to close up the manning the arena after
this message.

Speaker 10 (41:23):
LIFEAC is proud to be at the forefront of innovation
in choking rescue. Recently, the American Red Cross updated its
guidelines to include anti choking devices as an option for
choking emergencies. This life saving update recognizes the importance of
tools like life Act, designed to help when traditional methods
may not be feasible or fail. LIFEAC is there when

(41:43):
seconds matter most. Join the thousands of families who trust
Life Act. Lifeact can make the difference between life and loss.
Go to life bac dot com to get yours today.

Speaker 9 (41:54):
I'm sorry to bother you, but I have thirty seconds
to give you a very important message. My name is
Arthur Lee. I'm the CEO inventor of life Back, a
simple choking rescue device that could save a life in
a choking emergency. We've saved over three thousand lives now,
but we're not there. Five thousand people you choked to death,
one child every five days. Please consider protecting your family

(42:17):
in a choking emergency with life Back. Go to life
back dot net today. Thank you for your time.

Speaker 11 (42:22):
I was in the living room when I heard my
son Carter, who was two at the time. I looked
over and myself.

Speaker 9 (42:29):
Him grabbing for his face.

Speaker 10 (42:30):
It's true.

Speaker 11 (42:31):
I grab a life back. I put the mask on
his face and plase push pull the life back dislodge
the ice cube from his airway. When he started crying,
the most amazing sound I've.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
Ever heard in my entire life.

Speaker 11 (42:45):
Please protect your family, get.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
A life back.

Speaker 10 (42:49):
Life Back is proud to be at the forefront of
innovation in choking rescue. Recently, the American Red Cross updated
its guidelines to include anti choking devices as an option
for choking emergia. This life saving update recognizes the importance
of tools like life Act, designed to help when traditional
methods may not be feasible or fail. LIFEAC is there

(43:09):
when seconds matter most. Join the thousands of families who
trust Life Act. LIFEAC can make the difference between life
and loss. Go to life back dot com to get
yours today.

Speaker 11 (43:19):
Hi.

Speaker 9 (43:20):
I'm Arthur Lee, inventor, founder and CEO of life BAC
and a proud father. Did you know choking is the
fourth leading cause of accidental death. Tragically, one child dies
every five days. Now imagine your child, your spouse, or
someone you love choking. You have only seconds to act.
It's a situation no one wants to face, but it

(43:40):
can happen to anyone. That's why I created life Back.
Life Back is a life saving airway clearance device that's
already saved over three thousand lives. It's easy to use,
non invasive, and gives you the power to act when
every second counts. Don't wait until it's too late. Visit
lifepac dot mat today and use promo code life to

(44:00):
save twenty percent on your life back home kit. That's
lifefact dot net promo code life. Join thousands of families
who own life back life that can make the difference
between life and loss. Go to lifeback dot net and
get yours today.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Now on iHeartRadio, more of the Man in the Arena
the Life Back Radio Show Here and again are Arthur
Lee and Rick Thatcher.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
What a great message from Arthur Lee. Now I don't
know as this show is broadcast throughout the country, especially
on the weekend, because we're live on Facebook and YouTube.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Now, God bless everyone for throughout the wife like it and.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Sharon and we get to your comments. We may not
get to him today, but we will get to them eventually.
So we appreciate you so much for calling. But we
don't know the date of the airing or the commercial
messages that are shown. But we've just listened to a
very critical message from Arthur Lee's CEO in Venor Life Back.
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Get the original if you're going to go through the
trouble of protecting, not the trouble going through the steps
and protecting your family. Yeah, get the original, get the unique.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Would you get your eyes done by a doctor who
had it on sale?

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I don't think I would. No, thanks, of course No.
Go to life get the real thing. Don't mess around,
because you can, on average get a real life BacT
on Amazon. But why take the chance, Because there's a
certain percent I don't know exactly what it is, but
if you go on there, you will see counterfeits. You
will see knockoffs. You will see on Facebook.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Post color scheme, same patterns.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Everything's ripped off, including Arthur's likeness, his story, mostly daughter's likeness. Yeah,
it does mostly on average come from overseas a long
long way away. But you get the original and use
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the coupon fifteen percent off. Use code m I t A.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Man in the arena.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Meta meta so pat. It's been a great show. We've
talked to Eric Sunstead, who it's always great.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Inter think guy the Babson coach head coach for years,
Jeff recently.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Seven seventeen years at BAPS and fell into not I
wouldn't say fell into it, but just reached out. No
one's you know, a.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Co ed school.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
That's a great question, I think because when we were kids,
I think it was just a girls school.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Could be, could be, wasn't even on my uh, you know, purview.
And we talked about the amount of schools that through
the advent of the Internet and how recruiting has changed.
Some of these schools I had never heard of are
now you know, prominent, prominent programs because they embraced the
media and they and they embraced the way, and they

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marketed themselves and marketed their programs in a way that
made them a household name, like we talked before about
Brian College, and and.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Sports will grow your school. It will makes academics better
too if you have good sports.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Good sports, and then no one knows that better than
you because the terps you are there during some pretty
prolific time.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
Maryland football was real good in basketball too with Len Bias,
Lent Bias.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
And Hungry herman Ville and.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
Then Boomerasias and ye Hungry who Hungry herman was a
big center on our basketball team. And they named the
sandwich after that to this day is still a sandwich
in in College Park, Maryland, Hungry herman Vill.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
His last name was real. Do you remember the sandwich?

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Do you remember the basketball player from Syracuse Herm Hurried.
They call him the copter, which is he is just
art span of like a draft. Yeah, that's the first thing.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Washington he was. But he was a little before our time.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, no doubt. So we have a show coming up
which we're again we referenced the not knowing exactly when
this is air and I think this is, you know,
the following weekend, so we may not. We may be
airing this show while we're in Dallas for Brian Kilmead's History,
Liberty and Laughs tour Dallas. Do you know the name
of the theater.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
The wind Spear, four levels, a big opera house.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
And it's the big to date, the biggest show, biggest venue.
That's twenty four hundred and bigger than bigger than Las Vegas.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
I thought Vegas was, but that's a couple others. I
was like, Wow, this is a lot of people. Yeah, yeah,
whateveran he says, I believe.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
But we want to bring up the date that we
can absolutely promote and absolutely you know, tell people about
and get people to and Bobby, if you have that, yep,
there were to September twenty seventh.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
And can I see that?

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Let me just Virginia.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
September twenty seventh, Dominion Energy Center.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
Yes, we had to reach out to Dan de Lucy.
I believe he'd lose down there.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Pat talk about the amount of fun that you know,
from the beginning, you would go out and do stand up.
I don't know what I was doing there other than
keeping you guys company, come out in the middle sputter
out some sentence fragments and introduce you. But once we
started getting incorporated into the skits, into the show and

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to the skits. We started out with three and now
it's grown to where each book that and now he's
writing more.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Books, I know, I know, So we get more bad costumes. Yes,
we're up to I think six or seven parts each.
And we just explained a little bit with a little
bit of humor to it. Uh, what's happening in his books.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
So we start off with George Washington's Secret six, great
story about the spy ring from the spir Ring from
Long Island that changed the course of the American Revolution.
And then we move on to Thomas Jefferson, the Tripoli Pirates.
We talked about Andrew Jackson in the Battle of New Orleans,
Sam Houston.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
The Al Avengers. That next week done in Dallas.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
That's gonna be that's gonna be huge, and we expect.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
A surprise guests from Fox TV. Yes, but by.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
All means go. You know, there's a certain kinship that
exists between Brian Kilmead and Arthur Lee of Live. Fact
that Arthur is at just about every show is just
about every show that he's able to.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Go turn around the author right there, which doesn't I
love him, but he's right there.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
And he runs and he runs into he gets himself
involved in the show. Yes, he does still usher me
out of Santa Anna, capture me. He's done that a
couple of times and uh.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
Shout out shows even Yeah, absolutely, And I think even
one time we put a life back on the table
we're having dinner.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Yes, when Teddy Roosevelt was having dinner with book Book Washington,
there was a life fact and I inquired his book
t Washington. I said, what's that? And you said, don't worry,
it's the life it's going to be.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
So which which of the you know, two things, Which
is your favorite of the skits that we do, and
which is the one that offers the most challenge in
costume changes and timing.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
I know what you're going to say, Well, I think
Sam Houston and Elmo Vengers. I think it gets the
best reaction every time because there's a lot of good
lines in that skit and it's a it's such an
interesting story about how everything went down, and uh, we
just act that out, but we do it in a
goofy way, and we throw some of our own lines in.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
And because it's timely in that there's a certain thing
that you know.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Spend seven or eight minutes on each book.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
But sometimes you know, and and Brian every I've never
seen him do the same show twice, so sometimes I'll
just turn around and go all right, I'm cutting that
section out, and he'll go right on to the next skit.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
And you're running up the stairs with your bad.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
Wig and you're you know, falling out of your pants
and trying to get back out there, and they get it.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
They put these microphones on you and listen. Listen.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Comedy is the lowest form of showbiz. You stay at
the worst hotels. You promised four hundred bucks. Oh, no,
one came, here's a hundred bucks. Likely you're just treated
like terrible.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
You can you can attest.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
We fly, uh, you know, first class, get picked up
by you know, these security vans right to the back
of the these beautiful theaters we go to. One time
I was backstayed and I said, I need some ice.
The guy's talent needs some ice. I'm like, no, no,
I need some ice.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
You have the talent. I'm like, oh my god, that's
all it.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
So it's like being a movie starts, I believe. Then
you go back home on Monday and you're like, what
what just happened? And me and you were exhausted till Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I often want to say something to that effect when
I come out for the first time, like people have
an appreciation, and most people do that are there. But
when we returned from one of these shows, and I
know from talking to you, we're peeling ourselves out of
bed Monday morning, maybe Tuesday, Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Even you just exhausted because you just a lot of
these We've done two shows in a weekend where you're
flying here, you're going there, you're doing this, you do.
You get home, You're like, what's just happened? You met
all these people? You know, you went to all these places.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I mentioned the kinship between or the connection between life actors.
Of course, Arthur Lee played for Brian Kilmeat's soccer team
back in high school. They you know, remained not the closest,
but certainly a connected to each other. Brian in a
way that Brian was one of the first media opportunities
for the word or the notion of life fact to

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get out there. And now the Fox News Channel and
Brian Commuter responsible for about I think about thirty live saves,
so it's right up there on the on the media
mentioned Brian by name of the Fox News channel, which
all gets credited to Brian because.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
He was the first did ever say roadshow Ryan.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
And so I think the roadshow Ryan, it's probably coming,
it's probably there. He was involved. He was involved a
couple of weeks ago with an assist where someone saved
the life and they credited running into Ryan at Costco
and getting trained on us. Yeah, no doubt. Well this
is this has been great. We're out of time and
I think it's time. Pat, Thank you so much, thanks

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for letting me be here again. Yeah. So we'll be
back next week. On The Man in the Arena.

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