Guest Physical Education Teacher Joseph Ansalone

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We're growing.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Teacher Appreciation Day.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Come up and joe An Slone, a teacher, a physical
education teacher from Queens, New York is going to join
us and we're going to celebrate him. Joe An Slone,
how you guys doing. I guess it's up to your students,
but we appreciate you. Do you feel appreciated by the
students these days?

Speaker 4 (02:19):
You know?

Speaker 5 (02:20):
Truthfully, I love what I do. I wouldn't change it
for the world. The only other profession that I would
do without being a teacher would be playing short stuff
for the Yankees. But I love That's not going to happen,
so teaching is.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
It might be he's not good.

Speaker 6 (02:35):
Well, I love what I do.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
My students, you know, bless me every day, and like
I said, I wouldn't change that for the world.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Oh that's awesome. And how long?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Give us a little bit of the background. How long
you've been in education.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
I've been in education since about twenty seventeen. I've been
in New York City schools in the d week since
twenty eighteen, and I work in Flushing, so I get
to teach help and physical education, primarily phized.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
But yeah, I've been in the die since twenty eighteen,
which is it's flown by.

Speaker 7 (03:03):
You know.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
I've seen a lot of a lot of craziness since
twenty eighteen with the pandemic.

Speaker 8 (03:08):
And Joe if you I remember this from coaching, and
years later kids would come up and say something like it,
or I remember when you did this, or you know.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
This helped me, or you made it fun.

Speaker 8 (03:20):
And have you got that in your career where you
meet a kid later on and they point something out
that you did that you didn't even realize.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
It actually happened to me last month, not for the
first time, but where it really kind of set in.
I guess my wife and I are expecting our first child.
I heard, oh, thank you.

Speaker 6 (03:39):
I have a little bit of a different outlook.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
On certain things now. And one of one of my
first students, he was one of my first kindergarteners. He
came up to me after school and I remembered his name,
and I teach a lot of kids every single day,
so I remember his name. He was much told than me,
and he couldn't believe that I remembered his name. And
he said, hey, mister Ray, you know, I remember when
we played this game and how much of a difference

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it made, and the way you explained, you know, about sportsmanship.
He's like, and that's something that I kind of held
near and dear to my to my heart. And I
looked at him and I was like, that's crazy. You know,
something so simple that you know, I.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
Didn't really think made an impact. You know, this kid
came up to me.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
He's well in you know, high school, eleventh or twelfth grade,
and the simple fact that I remember his name he was.

Speaker 6 (04:23):
He was flabbergasted.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
And it made me feel good too, because it makes
you feel like you're doing something right.

Speaker 8 (04:27):
Well, I think it's in teacher appreciation. It shows that
impact that they do have. I I can remember I
could play basketball and mister McGovern, I can remember Missus
Kane telling me how I read these things. I remember
Missus Colleen, he took one of my papers and told me,
you know how it was good, Madame Tyler, Missus Tyler

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for sure.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (04:50):
But I think that in teacher appreciation is that when
we grow up and we remember those moments, that we
should remember of them when we thank our teachers for
the job they do. And Joe just said, you know
something he didn't really think too much about.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Do you guys have any of those memory? Sure?

Speaker 9 (05:10):
I have had an eighth grade soul Studies teacher named
mister Hardick and McKenna, and he was great. It's just
everything about his class made me very interested in the
social studies. And then years later we're getting married, you know,
prekina or before you get so we go to this
house and I walk in and.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
There he is.

Speaker 9 (05:25):
He does precain it with his wife, and I said,
the least I go, this is the guy I always
talk about.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
This is the guy you know, teachers that affected your life.
And he was thrilled. He was like, oh, thanks so much.

Speaker 9 (05:34):
Yeah, and we haven't stayed in touch, but what it was,
it was like a It was a great moment for
him too, when we were in touch for the whole
time between that and I was getting married, and he
was very nice to me.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
But he's just a teacher.

Speaker 9 (05:45):
I always remembered always his class was different to me
and maybe he loved this subject.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
You well, a lot of.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Us were in touch today talking about this show, and
one teacher came to mind because he stood out amongst
a great number of us, Ray han Uh. It was
the earth science teacher and we still talk about his
class and saw an article about him and we just bonded.
I mean, he broke the norm like he wasn't the
run of the mill going through the motions guy.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
He was very animated.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Class to class people weren't even the same class, would
talk about, you know, their experience.

Speaker 9 (06:19):
And everyone did an imitation of him. Really very serene.
Mister Hahn, he would call Rick and I have a
lot in common where we lost our both lost our
dads when we were young. So coaches were like father
figures to us, more than more than the average person,
because you know, we both grew up with, you know,
without a father. So Catillo and maybe.

Speaker 8 (06:41):
Bevl Loqua there's the bev so the real Seinfeldt, right,
because he's the massive pequle Jim Coat, Yes he was.

Speaker 9 (06:48):
You had him both had him Adam for wrestling in
like seventh eighth grade and my brother Jimmy had him
for he was a wrestling coach all.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Through his career. Yet and was he a good coach?
Excellent coach? Hall of fame, Hall of fame roughly's.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
But do you remember them name? Mister?

Speaker 10 (07:04):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah, I vaguely remember it. I went to play you,
so I the losing end of the massive peak.

Speaker 9 (07:13):
You're probably most money with Mims, right, Coach Mims a
wrestling coach.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Well, did you play in high school?

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Yeah, I played baseball in high school and Massi Peak
was coming off of a county championship every year, them
in Them and MacArthur in Levittown. So Massa Peak was
always been a powerhouse in pretty much every aspect of athletics.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
And Joe An Slone, physical education teacher from Queens, New York,
do you carry the way in on the subject of
the Chiefs, which is getting a lot of attention.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
We got to leave the chiefs the way they are.

Speaker 6 (07:47):
You know, it's once again, it's it's Long Island history.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
You know, Long Island was founded by Native Americans all
those years ago, and I think it's just the way
of paying homage to them. You know, we don't always
have to necessarily dissect every with a microscope.

Speaker 6 (07:59):
But that's just my personal opinion.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
I have very fond memories just being in Massive Peak
as a kid. You know, you got all American there.

Speaker 6 (08:05):
It's a great town.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
That's why we're good in sports.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
I already mentioned it after the show tonight.

Speaker 9 (08:11):
The vocal as her CEO get Rid of the name
she heards education CEO Chief Operating Officer.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Get Rid of the name chief. Are you serious? It's
all ridiculous.

Speaker 8 (08:21):
That's why we got to stay in the arena because
I think the path that we were on talking about
with Joe having a chalk a kid come up and
explain the usefulness of his efforts right his teaching, and
us all remembering it that when we get this new
world of attacking the teacher didn't do, the teacher is

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going to go to school. I mean I sat, I
boycotted my class in fifth grade, didn't go in my parents.
It was like too bad, you know, And I think
that we need to appreciate our teachers. And when we're
ready to go after him and say you didn't teach
Billy right, or you said something, remember those homes Like
we just said about a teacher that helped us.

Speaker 9 (09:03):
And our parents didn't fall for that. You were terrified
if you teacher called home. Yeah, now that you can
teach you how home and they take the kid's side.

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Speaker 6 (09:46):
You know, I like to think that I'm you know,
I'm a gym rat.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
I go to the gym every day, but you know,
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he's choking is not exactly ideal. And a lot of
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It's a great product and it really does a lot
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The peace of mind.

Speaker 8 (10:44):
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in school because it's very dang, Joe would now you know,
they got to eat quick. They're laughing. It's a perfect environment.
They have small wind pipes because they're not matured yet.
And sixty seven kids have been saved in school well
with life that that.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
We know about.

Speaker 8 (11:05):
Yeah, that's right, that's right. And uh, you know that
I think teacher appreciation. I appreciate Joe telling that story absolutely.

Speaker 10 (11:14):
Joe.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
I have a brother in law. I have a brother
inlaw named Rondi Angelo.

Speaker 9 (11:17):
He's been a teacher over at Burch Lane for about
fifteen years and he said, this is what's gonna happen next.
He goes Now, I have kids I taught, coming into
the teaching system and teaching in my schools and coming
into substitute teachers and getting full time jobs and saying
to him, you know, you know one of the reasons
I went into the teaching fields.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
How cool is that. I'm sure that'll happen to you two.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
That's exactly it.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
I know. I have a couple of teachers in mind
that I still keep in touch with on social media
and I and I let them.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
Know that all the time because it is true, you know.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
So I hopefully, you know, one day I'm blessed enough
to have that. But I I do have a good
report of my students, and uh, you know, it's like
I said, I love what I do and I wouldn't
trade it for anything unless I'm playing short.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Stuff for the most of that's shortstop again.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
What are you having?

Speaker 6 (11:57):
We're a girl, so we're having a boy.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Yeah, I'm very excited, you know, getting the room ready
and everything, so kind of setting in down the baby
do on on August twenty fourth, which is actually my
favorite number.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
Twenty four is my favorite number. It you know, it's
pretty cool.

Speaker 9 (12:11):
Everything's working itself out well, we'll be well passed four
thousand saves by August twenty fourth, maybe five thousand.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
I like that that would change it really. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Well, Joe Anselone, you're I can go out on a limit,
say you're one of our favorite educators. Yeah, yeah, why not?
Joe Anselone. Everybody, thanks so much. Teacher Appreciation Week, what's
the school again?

Speaker 6 (12:30):
Ps? One sixty three and Flushing Heights.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
PS One sixty three and Flushing Heights, Joe, thanks again.
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Here again are Arthur Lee and Rick Thatcher.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
And also Paddle Rourke talking for the moment with Joe Anceloon, an.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Educator for teacher appreciation.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
I think it's just a day. It wouldn't have been
nice to talk more about it.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Please tell us about this woman that we were just
introduced to. We're going to talk about I mean, it's
happening more and more. Where we talk about the patent,
we talk about fairness, we talk about patent infringement, all this,
we're going to.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
Talk about our situation.

Speaker 8 (15:16):
Last night I saw the commercial right and the new
awareness is giving me hope.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Another commercial you did a commercial about the kN alcoholic
and now a hose company says it's the same.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Thing with us.

Speaker 8 (15:29):
We have to do something. You know, you don't die
from getting a knock off hose. It's wrong, it shouldn't happen,
or we should protect our American entrepreneurs, but you won't die.
Our problem is these things will kill you.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
And we have.

Speaker 8 (15:44):
To tackle this problem a dangerous products that are illegal.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Right, and then we certainly should.

Speaker 8 (15:51):
Look at better protection for our Americans that are coming
up with something, working to get it popular, working to
get it sold, and then getting wiped out because they
come in and they don't have any of the costs
associated with doing it or marketing.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
It or all the hard work. All yeah, blu sweat
and tears.

Speaker 8 (16:10):
But see they for We've always thought like China's cheaper, right,
But that's not the thing.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
They don't have to develop, they don't have to market.

Speaker 8 (16:18):
They just like with us, they just they take our
videos that we pay to do, they take our data
that we paid to get. They ignore the FDA that
costs money. So the reason it's cheaper is because they
don't have to do any of the work nor the marketing,
which is a huge expense. Now you go, you google
their product, you see the same thing for ten dollars

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less than you buy it.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
You just they didn't spend the money.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
I did a Google search, got an eight hundred number.
You were with me. I'm not convinced that I was
talking to.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
That company. I want to talk to someone in marketing. Okay, yeah,
I'm the person.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
And they didn't sound like the person.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Did not at all, did not at all, But I
noticed it. And for those lists something at home, iHeartRadio
or I think the radio station's La Houston Orlando you
have with you. You're mentioning like not only the notes today,
but actual products that have been received through the Internet
that are knockoffs. Some look dangerously close to that, others

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are clearly not.

Speaker 8 (17:17):
Look this plastic Bizuka looking thing is just one of
the many examples of the depth of this problem. But
once again that it's important to note and you need
your money because it's the typical story of how you
get destroyed. But these are illegal and they're still on

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for sale right This cannot be sold in the United
States until it's FDA registered and what it has to
go through its qualification qualifications with the FDA, So it's
against the law. And there's hundreds of them, and to me,
it's hope that this situation is finally coming to light.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Now it doesn't necessarily tariffs.

Speaker 8 (17:59):
What the find I don't know enough about it, but
I do know is the problem with intellectual property theft
and then being able to find successful copy ignore laws, patent, FDA, FTC,
every law. We are boomboom and decimate that.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Mark and crush the entrepreneur. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (18:17):
The woman that's coming on I just got a quick
note from because Laura was kind of enough to find
her and her story is very painful.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, listen, we should go to Molly. Molly joining us.

Speaker 7 (18:30):
I love listening to you guys right now because you're
talking about obviously something near and dear to my heart,
which is infringement. I've kind of been there, done that,
and maybe I just quickly tell you who I am.
I am a five time world jump rope champion. I
started jump rope when I was seven years old. Love
listening to you guys talking about sports. I also play softball.
I'm a left fielder, not a short stop, but I

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grew up as a jock and passionate about competitive jump rope.
I know that's a quirky sports, but I literally kind
of paid the way and jump rope. In two thousand
and seven, I quit my job and I decided I
wanted to have a jump rope business.

Speaker 10 (19:03):
So I started working with kids.

Speaker 7 (19:05):
And I took my world championships, and I kept competing
at the time, and I designed a jump rope technology
so I could go faster and quicker in the sport.
Little did I know that I was going to create
the next best jump rope literally in the world for
all sports. So two thousand and seven eight I applied
for a US patent.

Speaker 10 (19:23):
I got two.

Speaker 7 (19:24):
It takes a long time to get a patent, you know,
in my case, four years, about forty thousand dollars. Yeah,
you guys says something interesting and I'm going to jump ahead.
But when somebody steals, they don't have to do all
the R and D. I mean, it takes years. We're
experts in what we do. The time, the research, the testing,
you know, and then the patent process. So going back

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to that time, you don't know when you're creating the
next best thing, next thing. I know, it's twenty twelve
and I have over one hundred and fifty in fringers.
That's a lot of people stealing. And when you don't
do anything about it, your sales go down. The integrity
of your product goes down. So finally, in twenty fifteen,
I'm jumping.

Speaker 10 (20:03):
I had just to make this quick.

Speaker 7 (20:05):
I stopped doing everything I love, which is coaching kids.
I close down my shop and I get an attorney,
and I'm like, I'm going to fight, right, you have
to fight these guys. And you guys said earlier it's
hard to do. It's almost impossible to do. But if
you put all your you know, chips in, you can
do it. So for three years I fought those infringers
Amazon shops, you know, the little mom and shops here

(20:27):
and there. I got ITC recognition for all the viewers
out there. What that means is, I'm a US made
and manufacturing company. I'm proud of that. But the ITC
will help stop imports coming from overseas and in my case, China.
So there was a band stopped of my jump ropes
coming over. That's a big deal.

Speaker 10 (20:45):
So I did all that leg work and I was.

Speaker 7 (20:47):
I set up all these licensing deals and finally in
twenty eighteen, I go for my largest infringer, my last one.
They've sold probably hundreds of millions of jump ropes, right,
so they're the big guy.

Speaker 10 (21:00):
I go in, I go to sue them.

Speaker 7 (21:02):
I go to court and the court says, you know,
we're going to stay this case, and for any viewers,
that means we're just going to put it on hold.
And Rogue got to put in what's called an IPR.
And I've learned that about ninety percent of cases like
mine are put on hold and they go to this
IPR process, and basically my infringement case, where I have

(21:23):
all this evidence that they've stolen my jump rope technology,
I don't get to talk about that anymore. I have
to now prove the validity of my patents. So you
guys have to imagine at this point, this should be easy, right.
I have itc recognition, I've gone years, I have all
these licensing deals. So I go to this administrative court
called the p TAB, the Patent Trial and Appeal Board,

(21:43):
and about I don't know, i'll call it. Six months
into the process, we get our final written decision back
and both my patents are canceled. And I'm asking my
attorneys what just happened? How did my patents just get canceled?
And they said, okay, there's a mistake. They did this wrong.
We appealed, We go to the federal courts. I get
a ruling, it's called a rule thirty six. It's like
two days later. I didn't get a true appeal. So

(22:07):
long story short, and I'm doing this fast.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Oh take your time.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
That all process took about four years. I spent five
hundred thousand dollars trying to prove the validity of my patents.
My patents got canceled the moment that road put in
for the IPR, I lost all my licensing deals, which
meant all the money that I was putting towards.

Speaker 10 (22:25):
That effort were gone.

Speaker 7 (22:27):
And at the end of all of it, I found
out there's thousands of other inventors in the United States
who have lost and had their patents canceled through this process.
And I've learned that eighty four percent of the patents
that are adjudicated at the p TAB you lose your patents.
And so I don't know if you guys know this,
but in district court validity of your patents can come
up along with infringement. Invalidity rate is around twenty percent.

(22:51):
Don't you think eighty four percent is quite high?

Speaker 4 (22:53):
Yeah, a little bit. OK.

Speaker 7 (22:55):
So what you'll learn is in twenty twelve, Congress passed
a bill called the America Invents Act. And what that
did is it created.

Speaker 10 (23:02):
The Patent Trial and Appeal Board.

Speaker 7 (23:04):
It was supposed to be a faster, cheaper alternative for
court litigation for infringement. The keyword there is alternative. As
an inventor, you have no choice. You are automatically sent
to the p TAB. You have no voice, you have
no due process, you have no judge, you have no jury,
you never get to talk about infringement. And it's just

(23:25):
a biased, hindsight process. I've just learned so much about
this in the last three years. It's disgusting and it's
killing American innovation. I had forty five employees. I have
one employee. Now my products made in America. All my employees,
don't you know, they're gone. Rogue sources about eighty percent
of their jump ropes from China, of course, and they're

(23:48):
still selling.

Speaker 10 (23:49):
So here, I am, was.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
There ever a reason given for the cancelation of your patent?

Speaker 13 (23:55):
Yep?

Speaker 10 (23:55):
So here you have my jump rope.

Speaker 7 (23:58):
They'll take a car part that looks a lot like
the end of my jump rope, and they'll say, look
at this car park, doesn't it look like the end
of her jump rope, and doesn't this jump rope over
here from the nineteen seventies kind of have the same
thing going on. Isn't it obvious that Molly would have
made this jump rope? And they're like, yeah, it's obvious.
My point is is that's how easy it is to
invalidate a patent. I have dozens of inventors who can

(24:20):
come on the show. They will explain how their patents
were invalidated. You will find it ridiculous.

Speaker 8 (24:26):
Well, you know, you know what I've noticed, it's almost
the patent itself is almost worthless because you went through
the extreme because you are a human and you are
a fighter, and you believe in our country and our system.
The problem is not everyone even considers fighting that hard right,
because what happens is they just knock you off. They

(24:49):
don't care that you have a patent. You would technically
that they would hear you would go against the company,
right and see you and friends on my patent, and
you would litigate against them. They're all in China, so
you don't have the option to face the company that's
infringing upon you and forget about the fact that then
they pick it apart to do what they did to you.

(25:11):
But I think the whole protection of the patent has
just disintegrated, like it's virtually worthless.

Speaker 7 (25:19):
Since two thousand and seven, our patent law has been decimated.
Two thousand and seven there was a Supreme Court decision
that got rid of injunctions. Twenty twelve created the p
TAB which invalidates patents. Twenty fourteen, there was another Supreme
Court case that you know, messed with software patents, and
in twenty seventeen they now deemed our patent rights not

(25:41):
a private right anymore, but a public right. So yes,
they have definitely done that. You said something about fighting
fighting you're infringe here these days is nearly impossible. Imagine
being an attorney and knowing that the chances of going
to court and getting it stayed and being sent to
the p TAB and having your patents in validated. Why
would you take that case as an attorney. Inventors are

(26:04):
not getting attorneys, they can't find anyone on contingency, so
it's just impossible to fight.

Speaker 8 (26:10):
Well, I think it goes back in our product is
not only the patent being infringed, And I've almost come
to the fact that it's worthless, but that they circumvent
FD eight, they circument safety laws, rules, interstate commerce. They're
breaking the law. Forget about my patent. These products are

(26:31):
not legal and they're still being sold by the thousands.
So you can tell that the system is extremely broken
by the fact that not only do I have baton,
but they're not even supposed to be able to sell
them legally anyway.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
So it wouldn't exactly.

Speaker 7 (26:48):
I mean, it's just turned into this huge you know,
I think by weakening the patent system, it's also just
weakening infringe or how do I say, it's allowing for
its condoning people to steal at even a greater rate.
I don't know if you knew this, but if you're
you're being infringed, you have counterfeits, right are they coming
from China. I don't know if you know this, but

(27:11):
with the United States is the only country in the
world who has this p TAB court, your Chinese infringer,
even if you do anything about it, your their counterfeits
and all of that. Let's say let's say you did
something about it, they can go and they can go
to the p TAB whenever they want, and they can
go to invalidate your patents.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
No, I've kind of given up. Why was this even
set up? This sounds so corrupt, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 8 (27:35):
Well guess why because the patent office is now owned
by the Chinese, per their ability to take patents.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
So to me, the patents isn't like the American government
can come in and go. They shouldn't be running this.

Speaker 7 (27:46):
What it surprise you guys to know who lobbied for
that bill years before. It's all the big tech companies today.
That's what got them big today is our patent system.
It's like they climbed the ladder. My husband always says this.
They climb the ladder and they pulled it up behind them.
They don't want you and I in our garage to
grow big and be the next best thing. I mean,
doesn't that just make sense?

Speaker 8 (28:08):
Well, plus the you know, the system is designed this
for them to such a beautiful thing. Like you said,
we put in the work, we do the marketing, we
grow the market, we get interest, we get the things selling,
and they go okay, thank you, and then they zooping
and without all that cost, decimate your brand. But like
I said, in our case, it's also illegal because they're

(28:30):
violating the FDA and our safety guidelines. But I'm hoping
in your story for people to hear and that you
know that guy's running a commercial pointing it out. The
problem when you fight in a vacuum is just like
when your parents would say because I said so, and
you're like, well.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
What do I do to fight that? Right?

Speaker 8 (28:50):
You're fighting in a vacuum. We need the public to
be aware of what's happening. Fifty five percent of sellers
on Amazon are Chinese. Seventy seven percent of news tell
as a Chinese. So they're going to destinate our industry
by knocking off things that are successful. They don't steal
things that don't sell. That's the remaining thirty percent of Amazon.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
The cocentrating on the answer, Well, they don't bother.

Speaker 8 (29:16):
If you don't hit a million dollars bus and sales,
and they don't knock you off. As soon as you do,
they swoop in and wipe you out. So you know,
we we have to raise awareness. We have I will
fight till the death because this thing's going to kill someone,
and that's my problem. It's one thing to steal my product,
and we fight you like you did. I have to

(29:36):
fight because these ridiculous products that are out there are
going to kill someone, but real quick.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Just because it sounds so cool, what is competitive jump roping?

Speaker 5 (29:47):
Like?

Speaker 4 (29:47):
What is that? Like?

Speaker 8 (29:49):
I used to do the box and I used to spin,
I used to be able to do the flippy thing.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
That was it?

Speaker 7 (29:53):
Yeah, no, that's great and I'm glad you asked. Not
everyone asks. So what I competed? I don't compete anymore,
but you can. You can think of a jump rope competition.
It's sort of like a gymnast, you know, they have
their different entities like beam and floor. So a jump
rope has three different entities that they have to sort
of work on. The first one is a freestyle event,
and so that would be you know, you're crossing your

(30:14):
arms under your legs, behind your back, you're doing gymnastics,
and there's music choreographed to it. That was not my
favorite thing, but it is quite cool to watch. The
second one is called our power event. It's called a
triple under. When you jump up in the air, the
rope has to pass under your feet three times, you land,
and then you do it again again and again consecutively,
so you get one chance you go on the floor.

(30:36):
If you did two, you did two. But right now
the world record is sitting over five hundred triple unders
in a row.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
WI five, Where do you stand?

Speaker 10 (30:44):
But I'm old.

Speaker 7 (30:46):
But my record back in the day was one hundred
and seventy five, which was quite good back then. And
that five hundred is the male I think the women.

Speaker 10 (30:54):
I think the women record is around four fifty. So
it's good.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Well, you mentioned two genders. I'm just curious. Do you
have any situations?

Speaker 10 (31:05):
Don't I don't work in the organization.

Speaker 7 (31:06):
I used to sit on the board for the International
rope Skipping Organization, so I don't think so, I don't know.

Speaker 10 (31:13):
So it's a good question. Why you can ask those questions?

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Just kidding, they're still too.

Speaker 10 (31:18):
They're still too as far as I know.

Speaker 7 (31:20):
They're like, yeah, but funny story not funny. Probably a
black I don't know. Two thousand and five to ten, uh,
the women were faster than the men.

Speaker 10 (31:31):
Yeah, yeah, anyway.

Speaker 7 (31:34):
The last event is called the speed event. You alternate
your feet as fast as you can. It's a thirty
second sprint and a three minute sprint. And that's really
where I prevailed. I was a fast speed jumper. That's
why I designed my jump rope technology at the time,
just so I can you know, you get a couple
extra jumps in there, right, I mean that's cool.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, your jump rope different and patentable in the first place.

Speaker 7 (31:54):
A lot of different things went into it. Because you're
on the floor, like this is literally meant or competitive
jump rope. At the time I was making it, you
get on the floor, we were getting a lot of
rope brakes. I also had just gone through a car
accident and I broke my ankle and my hip was
all jacked up, so I was sort of jumping out
of alignment. So the jump ropes, if I was out

(32:15):
of alignment, were sort of cutting on the side of
the wire. So see, let's see. I had to make
it durable. It was a duel bearing system. The jump
rope itself couldn't have any one hundred and eighty degree movement,
so I made sure it only moved to certain degrees
and just fast right and no shearing right there was
just it was just this perfect and it is still perfect,

(32:38):
this perfect speurerope that would just never cut, it wouldn't break,
It's fast, It's set ginness world records.

Speaker 10 (32:44):
I mean, it's just a beautiful rope. It's simple.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Oh you know what.

Speaker 8 (32:47):
It's such a shame, but you should be proud of
yourself for such a I am.

Speaker 10 (32:51):
I still have my you know what.

Speaker 7 (32:52):
I have talked to former USPDO directors and they said,
you have valid patents. The system is rigged, it is biased.
I mean I just got off a call with the
US and Better group right now. We're just talking about
the changes that the USPTO is going through and how
there's this new discretionary denial and actually, if you would, Molly,
if you would have sued today, you would have had
your patents today. So it's just it's a political mess,

(33:16):
you know. And it's a shame because our patents were
meant to allow people like me, like you to protect
our IP for twenty years. It's not that long, right, right,
so we could grow and we could stop our in friendship.

Speaker 8 (33:30):
Also with the concern I have is going forward is
people saying, yeah, I could do it, but I'm not
gonna because I'm just going to make it and they're
going to knock it off anyway. So what's the point, right,
And I think that's said at this time they are
not wrong, because even if you have a patent, they're
still going to knock it off and they're still going
to send the Damazon, they're still going to sell it.
And you know, your patent is worthless in the sense

(33:53):
of now what do we do with it?

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Right, your story.

Speaker 8 (33:56):
Goes even to the level of being useful and then
saying that we're just kidding.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Were allowed and then to take it over and so
what's an acusing time.

Speaker 7 (34:03):
Yeah, you go a whole decade, you put patent all
over your product, and then all of a sudden it's
not passible anymore.

Speaker 10 (34:08):
Weird.

Speaker 8 (34:09):
I was sad because, like as a kid growing up,
you know, I was an inventor type kid and I
always you know, my uncle had one and I would
meet him and say, well, you know, you got a
patent and you show it.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
To me, and now it's worth It's absolutely worthless. And
we need the education source of pain.

Speaker 8 (34:26):
Well, we need the education for the poor guy who
puts his life savings into gets it on you know,
gets a popular on Amazon, and he loses everything because
he still believes in it.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
We have to look into this.

Speaker 10 (34:38):
More, Yeah, look into it more.

Speaker 7 (34:39):
Definitely, the p tab is a tribunal, you get three judges.
They're not judges, they're not appointed by the president. They're
usually former attorneys and so they're toggling between Google and
p TAB judges. I mean, it's just it's it's.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Ridiculous in any way that Doge had any insight into
this or interest looking at.

Speaker 10 (34:57):
In the last few months, what are they doing.

Speaker 7 (35:00):
I do know that there's just there's been sort of
an uproar at the USPTO. I know, the mandate to
go back to work is causing you know a lot
of p TAB judges and examiners themselves, you know, maybe
they're working remotely.

Speaker 10 (35:13):
So it's been favorable for inventors.

Speaker 7 (35:16):
Like I said, it's a shame even in my story
that if I would have sued my infringer today, right,
there's not enough p TAB judges. So maybe my case
would have stayed in district court, my infringer would have lost,
they would have settled because they stole. I mean, there's
just so much evidence towards that that it's kind of
sad that the validity of my patent really had to
do more with again a political setup, rather than the

(35:37):
validity of my true patents.

Speaker 10 (35:39):
I mean, it's just.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
So you can't go back now because they took away
your pet I cannot.

Speaker 10 (35:43):
I mean, I'm a fighter. I believe there's a one
percent chance.

Speaker 7 (35:45):
And you know, maybe I can go to President Trump
and be like, hey, why don't you, you know, set
a tone and give me my patents back and to
kind of show the American people. I tell you what though,
if I can change the law in a way that
that makes sense. So right now, just so you guys
know what I'm up to a US inventor and myself
or we're asking for one thing, and that's due process.
In my story, when I went to court, I should

(36:06):
have the right to stay in court and not be
forced to go to the administrative court. And right now
that's not the case. But I think that's a fair ask.
I think you guys think that's a fair ask. And
so that's what we're working on in Congress and just
asking for a simple piece of legislation that says, when
an inventor goes to court, give them the right to
stay in court.

Speaker 8 (36:24):
Do you think that it would have been whack them
all anyway, because the next company would just knock it
off and put it on Amazon anyway, and then you'd
have to just because that's what we're doing now. We
whack them, they come up, they change, they just keep
coming up that there's no finality to.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Say you have to stop doing this. They just keep
popping up.

Speaker 7 (36:41):
I think that's another fish to fry, and I don't
know what that is yet, other than what we're doing today.
We have to be social about this. We have to
keep doing these podcasts. It would be cool if Amazon
would say, hey, you can toggle this thing over and
you can only view the real inventor's products. Right, if
you don't want to see Chinese anymore, we're going to
let I see just the inventors.

Speaker 10 (37:01):
I mean, what a great idea that would be.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Yeah, well that's the head of the dragon.

Speaker 8 (37:05):
That's that brings Paton back to its former glory where
it actually meant something. Until they do that, they're just
gonna keep going around. We have a good little girl here,
mass Beakle. She made a shirt, she designed it and
it started to sell. They knocked it off in a
day because it went viral on TikTok. Then within two
days it was in here and up for sale. Think

(37:27):
about all the employees she had to get rid of
because of this disgusting thing, and all that money.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Now goes to China.

Speaker 10 (37:34):
It really does.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Her employees don't have jobs.

Speaker 8 (37:37):
But once again, I go back to being a little
kid and being so proud when I got my pattern
that it meant something. It's so heartbreaking, it means nothing,
and our government has just turned it into worthless. We
do all the work and they come in and do it.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Well, Molly, we appreciate what was the name of the company,
the jump rope.

Speaker 7 (37:55):
My company name is jump in Rope j U m
p n r PE so Jumping Rope dot com.

Speaker 9 (38:02):
So in lacrosse jump rope every day in practice was
one of our stations.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Sure, no one ever wore out of rope. No whatever
you're breaking ropes and worrying about. And we were going.
We were pretty good, you know. We thought we were
cool because we didn't wear out ropes.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Competitive.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Yes, yeah, we were competitive.

Speaker 7 (38:18):
We were being Yeah, they're going at high rates and
if they step on that yanke it.

Speaker 10 (38:22):
I mean it's got to be.

Speaker 8 (38:25):
It's such a good exercise and they say it's good
for increasing your speed and your vertical leap.

Speaker 7 (38:29):
Right, these are I think it's what made me a
great ad. I mean I was a four sport letter
you know, athlete in high school. All sorts of college
offers for soccer, soccer, softball, and basketball.

Speaker 10 (38:39):
So did you jump rope?

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (38:41):
But you know what, not only did the disgusting system
kind of crush your business, it also crushed your ability
to be enthusiastic for the benefits of jumping rope, right,
which is a really nice.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Thing for people to know.

Speaker 8 (38:54):
I remember when my daughter was running, I told the
jumping rope because I researched it. It's one of those
things can help you get a little quicker, faster.

Speaker 10 (39:03):
And you hit, you hit the nail on the head.

Speaker 7 (39:04):
From two thousand and seven to twenty fifteen, I worked
with thousands of kids. I stopped doing that in fifteen
so I could fight infringements.

Speaker 5 (39:11):
Right.

Speaker 10 (39:12):
That really put my passion on hold.

Speaker 7 (39:14):
That stopped me from working with kids, getting more kids active,
more kids confident.

Speaker 10 (39:18):
And it sucks. It's just it's sad.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
That's the ass.

Speaker 8 (39:21):
Look, this thing's going to kill someone and they because
they stole my idea. Yeah, you had to leave something
that was gaining momentum that would have helped children and
raise awareness to what a wonderful physical look. So it
doesn't just kill the product and your employees, it kills
the benefit, the benefit.

Speaker 10 (39:39):
The morale, the soul, the spirit, the American.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Dream, everything, the pride that you showed before describing and
talking about the achievement and the success and the company, well,
you know, and then to have that invalidated and taken
away as just criminal.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
And we hope that we can before maybe.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
We have together make that passion to.

Speaker 10 (40:00):
Start fighter and we just have to work together. We
have to get and now we know each other, we
have to jump up more.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Tonight I'm going online leather and it has like ball
bearings in the It.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Was so cool.

Speaker 7 (40:16):
What you guys need is my technology with the beads
because that one it's called a resistance rope.

Speaker 10 (40:21):
That's what I'll get you guys.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
We're gonna work.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
I had some Colorado and some jump ropes going back
to Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Maybe get next show, Pat and I and Arthur's doing.

Speaker 10 (40:34):
Okay, we'll do a jump up show the next show.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Before we go. Where do you stand on the double
Dutch situation?

Speaker 9 (40:43):
You were saying triple time in this and that you
can go fast. I was about to ask are you
holding the rope?

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Because there is Yeah.

Speaker 7 (40:51):
So I actually failed to tell you that there is
team competition too. So and everything I said you do
with the team of four, and then that also includes
double and so the double dutch will be like the freestyle.
You're going to see the tricks in the music, and
then you're going to also see the really fast feet
inside of the double dutch.

Speaker 8 (41:07):
You got to read my book because there's a chapter
on the games Do Count? And it talks a little
bit from Brian's Morning. It's original book about the impact
of sports and friendships and that's all the other things
that got crushed.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
And Brian's writing a follow up book. And I think
Molly would be a great candidate.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
But send us some life backs in my book. Yes,
one question, go ahead, who counts?

Speaker 7 (41:27):
There's these little clicking devices. Let's say you're going into
a concert and they'll click right. So there's three judges
and if they're off by two jumps, you have to
redo it.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Wow, but they that fast because when you guys get going.

Speaker 7 (41:41):
So I was a judge trainer, an international judge trainer,
and you had to pick the best of the best
because those were the fastest.

Speaker 10 (41:46):
Thoughes right, it was a big deal.

Speaker 7 (41:48):
But the sport is evolving, and I know they're getting
into some new, you know, new age kind of clicking stuff.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Pat's wife has uh bicycli spin City, same type of thing.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Size in one place.

Speaker 10 (41:59):
The feet are going yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool.
And just move everyone should just be moving so much
way or the other.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Fantastic.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
So happy that you joined us on the Man in
the Arena in your case, of course it's the quote
from Teddy Roosevelt. It's the man in the Arena. But
of course I love the woman in the Arena. So
we thank you so much for joining me. Hope this
is the last time we're in touch. We'll get this
barn system going on.

Speaker 8 (42:21):
The challenge that you faced and we're facing was given
to us to make a bigger impact. The only thing
I can think of or hope for is that we
were challenged and brutalized so we can help others.

Speaker 7 (42:33):
I agree, and I just think the American people need
to understand that the inventors are out there.

Speaker 10 (42:38):
You and I the real inventors.

Speaker 7 (42:41):
And if they think they're saving a couple of dollars
here and there, you know, for the for the products,
you know.

Speaker 10 (42:45):
Just to get a deal, they're really hurting the big picture.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Molly joining us, We'll take a quick break and we'll
come back and wrap up this episode of The Man
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Speaker 12 (44:51):
Now on iHeartRadio, more of the Man in the Arena
the Life Back Radio Show. Here again are Arthur Lee
and Rick Thatcher.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
And also Paddle. How great was Molly?

Speaker 8 (45:03):
I think the godwink of this morning seeing this hand
on Fox, the guys saying, yeah, I got a bat and.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
I really can't do anything about it.

Speaker 8 (45:11):
Commercial and cream, you know, so this this product's out
there killing people. Typical story, right, they knock off a
product and they just make it and just disregard pattern,
any laws, regulations, copyrights. The ad that you see is
they just took our ad, remove life back and put
on their right in our case, you're going to die

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and it's illegal, like we we you know, the patent's worthless, right,
that's Molly's She's right, it's worthless because they just knock
it off and then you're going to go after China
and then you get I didn't even know you go through.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
This whole process and.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Then they canceled.

Speaker 9 (45:48):
They get your patent trial appeal board, a bunch of lawyers,
pockets lined by the big company.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
And then they just took it away. Anyway, So what
is the part of the PSA.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Going for taxes?

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Get your property taxes reduced, come on file, and then
they raise them, cancel your.

Speaker 8 (46:08):
She lost everything because they stole her patent and she
thought and they the only solution they had was to
negate it. So it is not only worthless in the
sense they just go around rupt insult to injury is
that even if you do fight it, they'll just take
yours away. But in the PSA side is if you
are a young kid like me thinking, oh my god,

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I'm going to make this thing, and you get a
patent and they're gonna get knocked off and they're going
to steal it, and they're going to take all the
money and you're gonna put in all the work. The
hope comes from like Brian talking about it on Fox
and Friends and mister wonderful, we're getting killed.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
You know. We get into data now with the tariffs.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
And do you think this conversation about trade in general
will help this situation?

Speaker 8 (46:52):
Well, and this came to Danny, this is almost separate.
We need hopefully the whole tariff. We're going to do
whatever app happens, but we need to isolate this piece
of it. Right, these are illegal and they're coming in
and being sold. Right, they have to be registered with
the FDA and they have to pass certain requirements, so

(47:15):
they're just bypassing that.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
This one kills you because you.

Speaker 8 (47:19):
Hold this valve and it pushes it in, So this
one could actually kill you this thing, this bizuka is just.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
It's also pushes in first, Yeah, it pushes their in.

Speaker 8 (47:31):
It's got this tube, so you're jamming it now, it's
just like basically falling apart.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
But yeah, looks like a garden weasel than it.

Speaker 8 (47:42):
I always think of like, yes, but so all this
crap is out there and is illegal and needs to
be stopped. But in the bigger picture, this board woman
brought her passion and had a good company and just
got decimated and the people got fired. That's your typical
pattern infringement, and no one cares. They may get they

(48:04):
knock it off, sund Amazon. Our case is someone's going
to die and need to be stopped. In the big picture,
havishmaff figure out. But we need to stop the influx
of illegal medical products. That'd be a good start, right,
it happens in medical get pattern, just stop illegal medical products. Right, then,

(48:26):
let's take this story. Let's protect our pattern again. Right,
Let's not let them steal it. She said it perfectly
to some extent. If you could go through a program
on Amazon that you show them you have patent so
that no one else allowed to sell it, because that's
the problem, or you could.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Filter it out. Yeah, but you's get back.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
To protecting our integrity is the country and be eighty
four percent.

Speaker 9 (48:50):
They say, no, you know, there's some fakes, there's some
you know, real but the eighty four percent, you're taking
your patent away.

Speaker 8 (48:58):
Come on, man, well that's look at mine. The Patent
Office issued one exact same pattern.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
That's the other thing where she had hers negated. You
had someone come along from because they don't. Later, but
the US Patent Office granted a new patent for a
very similar device.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Languages.

Speaker 8 (49:20):
But here's the but here's the thing. But that's why
the PSA side is, don't think the patent's going to
protect you. Their commercial says didn't do us any good,
doesn't mean nothing. We needed to mean something again. In
the meantime, we like that has to fight because they're
going to kill someone and they're illegal, like these are

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on Walmart and Amazon.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
They're illegal.

Speaker 8 (49:44):
They need to be stopped until we get that at
least go through the FDA, at least prove you're safe
and effective, and then we hope that the visibility of
this situation with Daris and China gives us protection back
so we can start innovative and keep it and make
it and make it successful.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
They benefit Amazon does from the marketing dollars. If they
steal a commercial and put it on they pay for that.
They also get a slight bit of revenue from the sale.
But what responsibility do they have to honest business that
goes through the process and is also doing business on Amazon.
What responsibility? The government's going to drop the ball.

Speaker 8 (50:27):
See the Amazon was the conduit to take the knockoff
from on the corner to the mass in the world.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
Right because now they don't exist. You can't go and
get them. You can't soothe them, you can't find their
warehouse in Brooklyn and prosecute. I can't.

Speaker 8 (50:43):
I could litigate that you stole my patent. So Amazon
is not necessarily doing wrong. But they have the ability
to be the savior. They have the ability to take
that new responsibility and do it to help us. And
it's not going to hurt them. It's not going to
make any difference to them. Probably help them because they
take a percent, so US product may be a little
more expensive. These things are so cheap because one they

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fall apart and two they don't have to market. Three,
they don't have to pay for testing and studying. They
don't have to pay FT eight fees. Yeah, they're cheaper.
The point of the matter is they're cheaper because they
bypass all the cost with marketing and registration and compliance
and testing. So that's why they're cheaper. Amazon has the
ability to be the filter. They won't affect them money

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wise more expensive the more they.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Make do the right thing.

Speaker 8 (51:33):
Well, we just have to all work together to get
the pattern worth something to protect our country from dangerous
These are going to kill people. They're gonna ruin thirteen
years of work because you're going to think you use
the sucking device and pushed the name and killed you.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
It's illegal. It's not repty Ridge. It's just a mess.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
I predict in this arena, we're gonna be talking a
lot more with Molly and her colleagues that are also
inventors that are also getting screwed over.

Speaker 8 (52:00):
Maybe the godwink is that her her real value that
she was put on this planet for is to help
expose this problem. Right, that her passion led her to
get in the arena and then get crushed and be
marred with blood and leave.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
And leave all the good work she was doing not
only her own company, but you know, transferring that on.

Speaker 8 (52:20):
A pictures that she's supposed to help raise awareness to
solve the bigger problem, to save our country because otherwise
fifty five percent of sellers on Amazon, we're seventy percent.
We're not going to have a country because we're not
going to have money. It's all going to leave the country,
and all these jobs are going to leave the country.

(52:41):
Amazon ain't going and.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
It's happening for forty years.

Speaker 8 (52:44):
Yeah, but now it's accelerated because they have the Mecan
Sunrise mold.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
You know you work there? Yep, no one's working there. Well,
I wouldn't classify it as work, you know work.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Did you ever work at Sunrise? Well, of course did
job there at one point? Yes? What did you do? Who?

Speaker 10 (53:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (53:01):
Yeah, for like a week and a half, Wow, and
a mom and pop sneak a store they sold like
keads and cons and then Footlocker.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
Came in and wiped us. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (53:10):
So we don't have this three thousand this week For
next week, I just want to say, oh, my prediction
number was thirty nine thirty nine.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
I think we're up to thirty nine thirty nine. But
check it out.

Speaker 8 (53:18):
While we were on, I got a text save the
one and a half year old boy choked on lollipop
and then she wrote five.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
That was five five today. So it's been a great show.
Thank you Arthur, thank you Pat Man. So we'll be
back next week.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
I'm Rick.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
I'm with Arthur Lee, CEO and ventor of Life BacT
on the Man in the Arena.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
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