Protection

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The following is a paid podcast. iHeartRadio's hosting of this
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to the Man in the Arena, a show that
celebrates courage, resilience, and the unyielding spirit of those who
face life's greatest challenges. Add On brought to you by
Life Back, the revolutionary airway clearance device that has saved
over thirty three hundred lives in thirty countries. This show
is a tribute to the heroes who refuse to stand

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on the sidelines. Inspired by Theodore Roosevelt's timeless words, it
is not the critic who counts, not the man who
points out how the strong man stumbles or where the
doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit
belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.
We explore stories of those who are actively making a difference,

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fighting for life and transforming adversity into triumph. Founded in
twenty twelve by Arthur Lee, Life Fact represents the power
of invention and determination, a father's drive to protect his
own and then others. Today, we bring you stories of bravery, innovation,
and inspiration showing that even in the toughest arenas, there's

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always a way to fight for hope. Stay tuned for
stories of real life heroes, groundbreaking achievements, and the relentless
pursuit of saving lives. Welcome to the Man in the Arena.
I'm Rick Thatcher, co host Arthur Lee. Unfortunately not here,
but you know this show is brought to you by
Life Fact, the revolutionary airway clearest advice that has now

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saved over thirty four hundred lives in thirty different countries.
It's right there in the title. The credit belongs to
the man or woman in the arena who's actually in
the arena.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Life Act was created in twenty twelve. The story of
Life Fact a father's drive to protect his daughter and
then the world. He's changing the world and life beack is.
So we talk about the man in the arena and
we spend a lot of time. Guys. Patrick O'Rourke, welcome,
How you doing, Rick doing well? And Gabby Thatcher Hello,
Hey Gabby, thanks for having Yeah. We may have mentioned

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Arthur Lee not able to join us. He's, as we say,
in the trade on assignment. But it's going to be
a great show. We've got Carisa Romano coming up, Betsy McCoy.
We're going to hear from road Show Ryan who's on assignment.
He's doing the Costco Road Show and we're so proud
of him. He's out there in Comack, New York. Folks
that are listening, you're listening in Los Angeles, you're listening
in Houston, Florida, and New York right here where we're

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taping seven to ten am. How exciting, guys, How exciting
to be in four new cities.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
It's actually so exciting. You guys have grown so.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Much on this show. The Man in the Arena, we
talk about folks that are like Arthur Lee definitely in
the arena, stood by the criticism and came up with
this life saving device. He also wrote a book. So
if you want to follow along and you want to
tune in weekly in these four cities, Sorry, can't is
a lie, go to live fact dot net. Make sure

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you have the real life fact. But also order this
book because tonight we're going to be talking about chapter
two and it's titled Perfection. And a lot of thoughts
come to mind because Gabby Arthur He's shared this book
with you and Chapter two is not a long chapter
like many of the chapters, but it talks about perfection

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and folks' perception of it and how they deal with it.
So what did you think when you read the book?
What did you think of perfection as a concept? For instance,
when you were growing up playing soccer?

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Well, you were my coach, so you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Growing up for me, like, do you feel pressure?

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
When I was your.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Coach, absolutely, I always felt the pressure actually.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
A little to be getting this type of information.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
No, I actually put a lot of pressure onto myself
because I think, Yeah, from a young age, I always
strived for a perfection.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Would you consider yourself a perfectionist?

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Yeah, growing up I would, But now I'm an anti perfectionist.
I would say, Okay, I chase failure rather than being
perfect the first time.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
You mean taking chances more so than you chase failure?

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Right, No, No, no, no, I mean it.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I mean I mean in school up big time.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
Yeah, absolutely, because that's where you learn and that's where
you grow. Right, So you know what I mean because
growing up, as I was saying, I always wanted to
be perfect, right, playing soccer.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
And you saw how that could hold you back and
I'm sorry to cut you off. I'm not perfect this
conversation thing.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Go ahead, No, it's okay.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
No, yeah, absolutely, wanting to be the best is I
think everybody's first instinct. And when you're trying something new,
you want to be perfect the first time. But that's
very unrealistic. It's not how you grow. I think that's
how you silo yourself off into, you know, staying in comfort,
rather than pushing yourself to try new things.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
And what about it in school?

Speaker 4 (04:47):
In school?

Speaker 5 (04:48):
Same thing for school, I was it's pretty good in school.
I didn't have to try too hard to do well.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
I saw your report cards. Yeah you did do it.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, I was always doing well. But when it came
to presenting, that's where I fell short.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Did you worry about being perfect?

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
I worried about it to the extent where I couldn't
even speak, and I'd cry in front of the class.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
And look and look how far you've come. You used
your own podcast. Yes, let's talk about it.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Let's talk about.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
It recorded in these same studios. Yep, and Pat, let's
let's switch over to you know again, we're both different generation.
Growing up, you played lacrosse yep. Definitely a student. I
remember you from Espucco High School.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
I lacked a little in these student in the department,
but I wasn't motivated by it. As kids, you know,
sports was everything to.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Us, right, So from that aspect, like your coaches, the
demands that were put on you, I know your mom
was very involved. Did you have a concept of perception
or chasing it?

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, definitely. And what you learn is, especially when you're
a young kid, you get good at one level and
then you go to the next level and go, oh,
I got to do a lot more work. I thought
I was the best guy. I'm definitely not the best
guy here. Then you go from high school to college,
it's the same thing again. Uh oh, I thought I
was the best guy. You experienced this too. You played
soccer in college, and that's base that's a career, that's

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anything you do, any job, you have, anything you pursue,
you always realize that someone better than me and I
got to get better and that one that's what motivates you. Perfection.
I don't think you ever really reach it. I thanks
driving for it's.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
It's definitely something that you chase. And we're going to
talk more. Oh gosh, why not define this term. I
knew I was looking for perfection right from the dictionary,
which I spend very little time with the conditioned state
or quality.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
This is perfection.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
We're talking about the condition, state, or quality of being
free or as free as possible from all flaws or defects.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I thought it was my kids. Everyone thinks that kids
are perfect. You're like, wow, that my kid is perfect.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, And you're listening to the man in the arena.
You're here with Rick Thatcher, Patrick O'Rourke, Gabby Thatcher, and
you're on in these great cities of Los Angeles, Houston, Orlando,
and New York where we're broadcasting from or taping from
you know what. Later in the show we're going to
be hearing from you know what. We're going to go
quickly out to roadshow Ryan in a couple of sets seconds.

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But Carissa Romano is a physician assistant that I've known
for a very long time, and she was the first
person I spoke to when I learned that there's a telephobia,
a scientific term for a fear, a fear of imperfection.
But it definitely falls into that chasing perfection, and some
people in our modern world. That pursuit of perfection can

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often seem like an unattainable goal, which we've talked about.
For some this quest becomes more than just a challenge.
It turns into a phobia, a tellophobia, intense fear of imperfection.
And there's some causes and we're going to talk about
that later. Let's go out to roadshow, Ryan, So live
Back actually representing life back in Costco all across the country,

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happens to be in Collmack, New York. But coming listen,
coming to a Costco near you. Costco, we should say
before we get to road show, a very forward thinking
corporation went right ahead and installed about a year and
a half ago, live back in each of the There
are food courts across the country, across the globe. We
had to save in an Iceland, but now we're a

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physical presence, not only next to the ad in the
food court, but now out on the floor rugshow, Ryan,
how are you tonight, sir? Doing well? Thank you?

Speaker 6 (08:14):
Rick.

Speaker 7 (08:15):
It's a pleasure to be on the man in the arena.
And I want to say hi to all the new
listeners at in Los Angeles, Houston, Orlando. It's great to
be here talking about Life Back. A lot of people
at this specific location here in Comac, New York already
knew about.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Life Back or had it.

Speaker 7 (08:33):
So I have a choking Charlie here to demonstrate how
to use it just in case of an emergency, they'll
be prepared to know how to use it. It's a
very simple airway clearance device. Place push pull saves over
thirty four hundred lives up to date. As Rick said,
Costco's worldwide are now carrying Life Back in their food courts.

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So if you're eating the big hot dog at Costco,
you know that you'll be safe there because they have
a life Fact and road show.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
You just started off with these this year. It started
on Long Island, but you're getting ready to go nationwide,
right yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:07):
So this is this is my third road show at
my third different Costco, and I just want to share
some stats. I've been keeping tracks, some tallies of some
unreported saves that we have at these locations. In total,
we're up to twelve unreported saves.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
We absolutely encourage road show take it away. What do
you do when someone walks up to your Costco and says, hey,
road Show Ryan, I used this Life Act device to
save a member of my family or a stranger.

Speaker 7 (09:37):
First off, I say thank god. You know, if they
didn't have the Life Act, it could have been a
completely different situation, whether it was themselves or someone that
they love, they could have lost, but thanks to Life Act,
they're still here with us. And then number two, I
try to gauge if they'd be interested in reporting the
Life Save because it helps us get the stories of
these people out there to help just raise awareness.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
About Life Act overall.

Speaker 7 (10:00):
Some of them aren't too willing to give their information.
They would like to keep things private, which is totally okay,
but we try to let people know about how if
they report it will help promote it and we can
send them a free replacement unit and.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Replacement to warranty doesn't wear out, but we will send
you to a replacement that's listed in the warrant. And
you're listening to Road show, Ryan here with the man
in the arena. He's in the arena at Costco in Comak.
Thanks so much, road Show. I'm here with Patrick O'Rourke,
Gaby Thatcher, and I'm Rick Thatcher and we're going to
be right back after these messages.

Speaker 8 (10:36):
I'm sorry to bother you, but I have thirty seconds
to give you a very important message.

Speaker 9 (10:40):
My name is Arthur Lee.

Speaker 8 (10:41):
I'm the CEO inventor of life back, a simple choking
rescue device that could save a life.

Speaker 10 (10:47):
In a choking emergency. We've saved over three.

Speaker 8 (10:50):
Thousand lives now, but we're not there. Five thousand people
you choke to death, one.

Speaker 10 (10:54):
Child every five days.

Speaker 8 (10:56):
Please consider protecting your family in a choking emergency with
life back.

Speaker 9 (11:01):
Go to lifepac dot net today. Thank you for time.

Speaker 11 (11:04):
LIFEAK is proud to be at the forefront of innovation
in choking rescue. Recently, the American Red Cross updated its
guidelines to include anti choking devices as an option for
choking emergencies. This life saving update recognizes the importance of
tools like LIFEAC designed to help in traditional methods may
not be feasible or fail. LIFEAC is there when seconds

(11:25):
matter most. Join the thousands of families who trust life Aact.
Life AAC can make the difference between life and loss.
Go to lifeac dot com to get yours today.

Speaker 10 (11:35):
Hi.

Speaker 8 (11:35):
I'm Marfur, the inventor, founder and CEO of life BAC
and a proud father. Did you know choking is the
fourth leading cause of accidental death. Tragically, one child dies
every five days. Now imagine your child, your spouse, or
someone you love choking. You have only seconds to act.
It's a situation no one wants to face, but it

(11:55):
can happen to anyone. That's why I created life back
life saving airway clearance device that's already saved over three
thousand lives. It's easy to use, non invasive, and gives
you the power to act when every second counts. Don't
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and use promo code life to save twenty percent on

(12:17):
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Speaker 1 (12:33):
Now on iHeartRadio, more of the Man in the Arena,
the Life Back Radio Show.

Speaker 12 (12:39):
Here again are Arthur Lee and Rick Thatcher.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
CEO inventor. Arthur Lee too busy to join us tonight.
He's out saving lives, changing the world. And we're so
happy that he invented this and he's out there again
changing the world. I'm back with Patrick O'Rourke. Of course,
Gabby Thatcher coming up later this year. We're going to
have Carissa Romano, a local physician assistant who I've known

(13:04):
forever and I knew that she'd be a perfect person
to talk to about telephobia, fear of imperfection, a problem
that arises from being too perfect. So we always get
to the book Sorry Can't Is a Lie, And for
each show, we're going to talk about a different chapter
from Arthur's book. Arthur is an author and he wrote

(13:26):
Sorry Can't Is a Lie. It's a great book. Go
to life fact dot net order your copy, and while
you're there, if you look around your house, look around
your car and you do not see a life fact,
get one, because the warners will find out about it
and they will take you to task. So we're going
to talk about chapter two. It's called Perfection. And in
the book, Pat Arthur talks about a couple of instances,

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one from his childhood, one from his adulthood, and also
we can talk about life fact, but the one that
he starts with is his approach when he was a
kid building model airplanes. Now he just from the outset,
says in the book, I mean, it didn't hold him
back at all, and he had friends that would stop
short and not even want to attempt it because perfection,

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or he knew it wasn't gonna be perfect, so they
didn't even do it.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Well, you always think that because you see the box
and you see, oh, this is how it's supposed to
come out.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
It looks good.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
You put three parts together and you're like, this isn't
coming out like this, especially when you're a kid. The
clues overrunning and everything else like that.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
So right, I.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Always just plow straight ahead.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
You're like, author, plows straight ahead. Make it. And if
it didn't come out to his liking, what did Arthur do?
He put firecrackers in it, so I had and he
celebrated blowing it up.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
But I had brothers who would remind me of how
badly it looked. So I was always it's a tough household.
This is gone.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
You know you mentioned your family. I think a lot
of the Murray's, the Murray family, Bill Murray, Patrick, Brian Doyle,
because that must have been what your house was like
a lot of comedy.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yes, yes, that's how I survived. That's how I got
out of a lot of beatings. It was making them
all laugh. Right, I was the youngest to so right,
I had to think of something.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, now, crafts for you, Gabby, I was witnessed to it.
But you know, can you think of anything puzzles, anything
that you played with as a child that needed to
be perfect or didn't need to be perfect puzzles.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
No, I wasn't a puzzle girl.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
I was just grasping at anything that was around the house.
I know you're a Polly Pockets fan. Yeah, but anyway,
perfect as a child, like crafts.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
Maybe in school, I think I always wanted to act
perfect and be perceived as perfect from my teachers and
those around me. I think that was like my biggest thing, right,
Not when it came to making things. I wasn't very crafty.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Not crafty, No, not very crafty.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
I spent most of my time playing sports.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
And yeah, you know what we should do, You know
we should talk about was your proficiency at a very
early age for it not only jumping into hot tubs,
but also riding a bike at an incredibly young age.

Speaker 13 (15:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Fun fact, I learned how to ride a bike when
I was two years old.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Fantastic major older brother looks silly, silly. Now. Second example
in the book, Arthur Lee again wrote a book called
Sorry Kant is a Lie. Chapter two deals with perfection,
the pursuit of it, how it may hold us back.
But he built a treehouse as an adult, and many
of the folks we all went to high school together,

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and many of his friends, for various reasons, thought he
was a little crazy. But putting up a treehouse, building
it for his daughter Jackie, putting it up, and comparing
how he approached it to how his father approached it
vastly different approaches. Now, I don't know if you guys
know this, but Arthur's dad helped put a man on
the moon in the book Engineer Norwegian engineer. I hope

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it's Norway. Arthur will correct us if it's not, if
it's another Scandinavian country. But can you appreciate the difference
in approaches, because we in the book there's a difference
of Arthur's drawings and his father's drawings.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
But his dad has a lot less leeway of making
mistakes when you know, you try to put people on
the moon. Then building a treehouse in here, great, it
was in his front.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yard, Yeah, it was in his front yard.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
That's insane.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, the neighbors were ecstatic, and we heard reports as
the construction was underway from many of our friends would be,
you know, reporting in do you know what Arthur's up to?
Arthur is a can do.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
We'll fix that later.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah. Yeah, we were.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
Sketch compared to his father's. His dad down to the
sixteenth of an.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Inch, right, and his was just kind.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Of eleven inches is.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah. But he sat out, and you know, he knew
that it wasn't gonna be perfect, but he sat out.
I think I'd just jump up in the tree if
I was going to do such a thing, And but
he sat and looked at the tree and wind and
the wind, how the wind was treating the tree, and
went up and he did this like he invented life
act mostly, I mean he did it for himself, but
also for his daughter Jackie. His wife Leanne not so happy.

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Can you just make sure it's not too big?

Speaker 3 (17:56):
It's kind of an inventor's mind. Like you know, a
lot of people. I don't approach things like that, would
you No, Like you said, we get up the tree
and go all right, how do we build this? We
don' don't worry about the wind. Don't worry about this,
don't nail it into the tree, don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, I know who to call. I know to call
someone like Arthur Lee see you in ventor life fact.
I know his friend Mike Singer is a can do guy.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
That's why I bought that. It for twenty five years,
and they always had friends do it. It always falls apart
three weeks later you're like, don't hire friends. You can't
yell at them right and they give you a deal.
But it stakes so.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, great example, and Gabby, you can attest to this
is I thought when my your oldest sister was born Ryan,
as she got of age, I thought, you know what
I'm gonna I'm going to start building something. And I
went to Wood Kingdom and I thought I'd find the
plans for a cottage, not a treehouse, but a cottage.
Unfortunately for me, Wood Kingdom had a life, just a

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perfect cottage already built. Here's the price, fantastic. I don't
have to because I'm dangerous around a hammer screwdriver.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
And that lasted so long. We had that for how
many years? Twenty five twenty two years.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
So Rick definitely didn't build it.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
No, Rick definitely didn't build because would lasted a week.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
But a tool kits about a knife. Basically, if our
friends have all the.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Tools for anyone listening, you're listening to the man in
the arena, a life fact production, Rick Thatcher. I'm joined
by Gabby Thatcher and Patrick O'Rourke, and we're talking about
perfection and the limitations that may put on us. We're
talking about Arthur Lee chapter two, Perfection, and I love
the fact that when he was building his treehouse he

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had a friend and I wish Arthur was with us
so he could tell us who this friend was and
name names. Because the friend came over and said, I
could never do that, It'd have to be perfect. And
that's when Arthur turned to him and said, well, I
guess you'll never have a treehouse unless he wanted to
get Arthur to build it for him anyway. So talk
more about any impressions that you got from the book overall,

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or this chapter in particular Perfection.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Just basically this life lessons it thinks he's learned over
the years, inspirational from the Wingman to perfect Where do
you start a project? What do you want to get
what motivates you all that stuff?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's a good read, and why people are so interested
in it is because a lot of people and roadshow
Ryan attests to this because he's out there talking to
the public, people that are just shopping and see the
life fact. And there's all kinds of stories about people
coming up with an understanding of it and awareness of
it because of the great marketing that Laura Bonelli, our president,
has done in the past few years where the name

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recognition is now on the radar. Back there in twenty
sixteen when there were four lives saved the entire year,
so invented in twenty twelve, he had a four year
period where Arthur Lee was out there knocking on doors,
spending a lot of time with the warners, doing a

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lot of work at the warners, friends of theirs from
What's second grade, and utter frustration. I can't imagine where
it's come. I can imagine because we're living it, but
I can't imagine the frustration during those four years of
no answers, no saves. He'd be asked, hey, does this
thing work by a fire department or a police department,

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or a hospital or a school, and he had no evidence.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
Now people would also ask if it would be approved
or if anyone would take him serious with it as well.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Absolutely so that was another.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Big absolutely so registered with the FDA his class to
medical device. We went from four lives and the treehouse
in the front yard four lives Saved in twenty sixteen
to now over three thousand, four hundred lives. Later in
the show, stay tuned, you want to listen to Ray Preeby.
We call him mister three thousand life fact News. But

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why do we call him mister three thousand?

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Do you know?

Speaker 7 (21:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (21:43):
I do because his beautiful daughter was the three thousand
life saved.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
And you say that so, well, ironically, that's a great
guy he is. And you know, if Arthur was here,
he always says that you know, there's God wents abound,
but he says that he could think of no other person. Well,
there's great pull among the thirty four hundred, no, no question.
But Ray was a special person at the time he
saved his daughter on a Florida Highway cake Coral, Florida.

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And you know what amazed me is if we talked
a little bit about or I did, about the awareness
from where it's started and where it's come to where
two other motorists when he pulled over and got his
life act to save his daughter in the back seat, Maya,
two other motorists came by with life acts of their own.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Because he's on Fox TV all the time, he's becoming
the new Mike Lindell, Mike Pillow. He's commercial on all
the time. So you have name recognition. People going out
and get it. They know it works absolutely.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
And the viral videos we say this all the time,
the viral videos that are either a nannycamp or a
police body camp. Those people we have to mention. Egx
Up Grill and Major Hill of the Third that story
was on Inside Edition Fox News sharing it and the
people's willingness to share the story. Very vulnerable one yeoman.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
I mean, you know you can save your loved one.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
You might think to have one of these. Yeah, but
I bring up one woman now, I was just out
of chop HQ, and I hope also Betsy McCoy is
able to join us in a little bit. But out
of chop HQ. And they always play the same testimonials
that come through on a zoom. They've been recorded, but
some of them are live and they all capture these
harrowing stories. Now I want to talk about Leanne Natris,

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who saved herself and I hope she doesn't mind me
using her last name, but she saved herself standing at
the kitchen, and that answers a very popular question, can
you use this on yourself? Yes, she was, kids were
in the other yard, kids were in the other room.
Husband was in the yard, and she was choking on
cherry pits and combination of cherry's cherry pits and she

(23:40):
used to save herself. And that she didn't have any
video of it. But her sharing that story, that's tad embarrassing. Yeah,
I've never heard that either. Wow. Yeah, Well, you can
imagine Pat in the time that you've been with us
at Life back and you go back to when I
started thirty four hundred stories, and Donnie Yisley, the keeper

(24:00):
of all saves all information and the stories. I can't
imagine the energy that this woman has emotional to connect
with these families and hear the stories and share and
author is like their savior and their dad. But the
link is Donnie Eisley, And we can't say enough great
things about her. She provides us with the information every night.

(24:22):
There is either a text on the phone or an
email that goes out at the end of the day,
and we're going to get an update from Donnieisley. She's
at least going to send it the information. She's a
little bit camera shy.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
I remember we with author I forget where I think
in Chicago a couple of years ago, and he's getting
it on his phone every twenty minutes. He's like, oh, no,
this I thought he was kidding. No, and he's like, oh,
another one to tonight too, this evening while we were
out to dinner, right right. Amazing.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, I mean it's upward of a dozen. Like a
dozen I would say would be maybe a long day.
But again, think back to twenty sixteen, where you go
two thousand and eight, You'll start with two friends. There
were four lives the entire year, and then the second
year was a whopping seven or nine. And from where
it's gone to every day. It's really a testament to

(25:08):
Arthur Lee and the great job the news gets out there,
media shares it also great marketing shout out to Laura
Benelli and young folks like Gabby Fatcher talking about it
on her show and spreading awareness all, and that's why
we're here on the Man in the Arena. We're Thatcher.
I'm here with PADL. Rourke and Gabby Thatcher and upcoming.

(25:28):
But that's why we're here spread awareness about great stories
about men and women in the arena, talk about the book,
but also to spread awareness about life back and how
those five thousand people a year that die of a
choking emergency, it just doesn't have to happen. And we
should point out that standard protocols. You might be saying

(25:48):
standard protocols, you know, I just do that. I would
just give them back blows and the h maneuver abdominal thrust.
Guess what did you know doesn't always work anywhere from
thirty to fifty percent. We talk about numbers. Fifty percent,
it's one in two if you are choking and they
have a full airway obstruction, one in two with standard protocols,

(26:11):
depending on who's administering it. If it's just a lay person,
it's one and two. Do the stats go way up
to seventy percent success rate if it's someone that's trained
in basic life support CPR, so wapping numbers. Did you know, Gabby,
did you know that those stats like if you were
thinking about, you know, someone chokes in school, what do
I do? Did you know about the failure rate?

Speaker 5 (26:33):
No, I had no idea prior to you joining life
back in me meeting everybody. I gotta be honest, I
had no idea.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
And I don't think Arthur knew when he learned of
a seven year old in twenty twelve that perished being brought.
He was visiting a friend in the hospital. And it
amazes me that he learned of a seven year old
and immediately thought of standard protocols. Why didn't they do this?
Why didn't they do that?

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (26:55):
They did. It just doesn't always work, and that wasn't
acceptable to him. He went home, started talking to his friends,
started tinkering in the garage, and came up with this
simple life saving device called life Fact.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
And also, we're talking about handicap.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
Absolutely, yeah, a whole other category that you can't always perform.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Absolutely, someone's in a wheelchair. What is the plan someone
in a wheelchair? And that brings in the Americans with
Disabilities Act, where Arthur would be quick to point out
everyone with the company will be quick to point out
you're in Hey, you're in violation. Look at your choking poster,
and show me on that choking poster that you have
so prominently displayed in the break room, where's the option

(27:34):
for someone in a wheelchair. The choking poster is important.
It's in every restaurant, it's in every costco, everywhere where
food is consumed. And again, ask those folks, what is
the option for someone in a wheelchair? And so the
American with Disabilities Act without a good choking poster, without
a life act. Because we'll talk about the Red Cross
when we get back. But the Red Cross just recently updated.

(27:56):
Government moves slow.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
So first might get better the next four years, but
we'll find that out.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yes, oh absolutely, first major update to the Red Cross
guideline choking protocols in forty seven years. So important words
in their wording about life BAC aeroclear devices.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
They basically say it works, it works, and use it.
That's the American Red Cross.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
So you're listening to the man in the arena. We're
so happy you joined us. I'm Rick Thatcher. I'm here
with Patrick O'Rourke Gaby Thatcher, and we'll be back after
these brief messages.

Speaker 8 (28:29):
I'm sorry to bother you, but I have thirty seconds
to give you a very important message.

Speaker 9 (28:33):
My name is Arthur Lee. I'm the CEO.

Speaker 8 (28:35):
Inventor of life back, a simple choking rescue device that
could save a life in a choking emergency.

Speaker 10 (28:41):
We've saved over three.

Speaker 9 (28:43):
Thousand lives now, but we're not there.

Speaker 8 (28:45):
Five thousand people you choke to death, one child every
five days. Please consider protecting your family in a choking
emergency with LIFEBAC.

Speaker 9 (28:54):
Go to lifefac dot net today. Thank you for your time.

Speaker 11 (28:57):
LIFEFAC is proud to be at the forefront of innovation
and choking rescue. Recently, the American Red Cross updated its
guidelines to include anti choking devices as an option for
choking emergencies. This life saving update recognizes the importance of
tools like LIFEAC designed to help when traditional methods may
not be feasible or fail. LIFEAC is there when seconds

(29:18):
matter most. Join the thousands of families who trust life aact.
LIFEAC can make the difference between life and loss. Go
to life bac dot com to get yours today.

Speaker 8 (29:28):
Hi, I'm Arthur, the inventor, founder and CEO of LIFEAC
and a proud father. Did you know choking is the
fourth leading cause of accidental death tragically. One child dies
every five days. Now imagine your child, your spouse, or
someone you love choking. You have only seconds act. It's
a situation no one wants to face, but it can

(29:49):
happen to anyone. That's why I created Life Back. LIFEVAC
is a life saving airway clearance device that's already saved
over three thousand lines. It's easy to use, non invasive.
It gives you the power to act when every second counts.
Don't wait until it's too late. Visit lifefact dot net
today and use promo code life to save twenty percent

(30:10):
on your life back home kit. That's lifefact dot net
Promo code Life. Join thousands of families who own life
fact Life thatac can make the difference between life and loss.
Go to lifeac dot net and get yours today.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Now on iHeartRadio, more of the Man in the Arena,
the Life Back Radio Show. Here again are Arthur Lee
and Rick Thatcher.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Memory Thatcher. I'm here with Gabby Thatcher, Patrick o'rour and
PA Physician Assistant Extraordinary Carrissa Romano. Carissa, Welcome to the man.
Let's say let's just get it right. The woman in
the arena.

Speaker 14 (30:50):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, Now, Carissa, we go way back, and when we
talk about the arena of healthcare, it's got to be
more than twenty five years when I called you this
afternoon and we spoke, because now we should say I
met you. You were in primary care and you were
phenomenal at being a physician assistant. And let's be honest,
most folks that I've spent thirty years in that industry
calling on different offices, there were two physician assistants in

(31:13):
my entire kind of like the life back story, two
PA's physician assistants in my entire territory now on average
to an office, right, Yeah, and you studied right here
at Torol and how was that?

Speaker 14 (31:28):
I loved it. I actually ended up teaching there many
years later. And the PA.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
Profession now is now physician associate. They've changed the actual
name for it. So we've really advanced in New York there.
I think there's about doubled or tripled the amount of
schools from when I graduated, So it's really expanding, and
it's wonderful because there's such a shortage for our primary
care providers in our state and our country, so it's

(31:53):
really filling the gap.

Speaker 14 (31:54):
So it's really important.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
And I started to say the feeling in most of
the offices as a pharmaceutical report presentative, as I would
go in and interact with patients, even though that was forbidden,
but I did talk to a lot of patients. The
feeling amongst a lot of patients was I want to see.
In the beginning, it was, oh, you know, physician associate,
you know some people. But I think now between NP

(32:18):
and PA, I think the feelings in a lot of offices, Yeah,
I want to see them. They care, They're more connected.
Do you see the same thing.

Speaker 6 (32:26):
Yes, And we also have less administrative duties than the
doctor has to worry about sustainability of their practice and
the business aspect, where we really could concentrate on listening
and taking care of the patient. Why we came to
go in medicine to begin with.

Speaker 14 (32:41):
So that's important.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, I think. I mean, you're doing a great job.
We met again twenty five years ago, but you've made
the switch from primary care to mental health, which is
why I thought it would be great to have a
conversation with you about this fear that I just learned about.
I knew a fear of imperfection, being imperfect. You're in
mental health now and talk about your practice right now.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
I work for a non for profit Rise Well. We
are located throughout Long Island and New York City. We
have many clinical programs working in fiction, medicine, residential, we
provide outreach.

Speaker 14 (33:15):
So it's amazing.

Speaker 6 (33:17):
Right now, we have a mobile RV that we go
out and provide substance use detox and provide linkages to
more inpatient for substance use outpatient treatment facility.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah, the tie in, especially in the first s aid,
I mean, I don't remember there being such a conversation
about narcamp and narcotics. They talk about EpiPens, talk about
fire extinguishers, you talk about live facts. Most of the
first responders that we talk to, when they talk about
their preparedness, let's say a police officer, EMT, ambulance, fire department,

(33:52):
they're very well aware. They talk about having narcam.

Speaker 6 (33:56):
Absolutely and that's a lot of what we do. It's
these opioid over to prevention and so oftentimes when we
go into offices or businesses, they have these nolocks own
boxes next to the ad life back very often could
be right there, and that really should be hand in
hand when we go out and do NARCAN training just

(34:16):
individuals and businesses.

Speaker 14 (34:17):
We also make sure that you know people.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
It's technically not supposed to be in your car because
of the heat, but it really should be everywhere. It
should be next to your band aids because just people
think that it's not my family, it's not my friends,
but you don't know. I saw somebody just riding their
bike along one ten and fall over and we had
to do an opioate overdose NARCAN.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Now that would you say, I'm no, I'm just guessing
that the amount of folks you treat and if if
it's a phobia, they're not usually seeking out help for that, right,
it's more of the when phobia becomes a psychosis. But
I'm sure it's got to be much lower on your
radar than say these more serious mental health.

Speaker 14 (34:58):
So we took about phobias.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
Bogies aren't actually as common as you would think because
a lot of them are socially acceptable. We have come
in our generation to just especially with social media, look
and you see only the perfect picture. You don't see
people complaining about the problems that they have. They only
post when they look pretty. You know, they only talk about,

(35:20):
you know, their success and their business. They only talk
about their trophies that they win. They don't look at
the hours that they spend struggling and the terrible pictures
and you know, the children jumping off the couch, you know,
hitting their head. You don't look at all of that, right,
So in our society, we're constantly comparing and thinking that
everybody else has a nice, easier life, and what's going

(35:42):
on and this fear.

Speaker 14 (35:43):
So we talk about this fear of perfection. One of
the issues is that people.

Speaker 6 (35:47):
Think that this is what we're supposed to do and
their fear of failure, that we want to be perfect
because there's such shame in that vulnerability of not being perfect.
So I think a lot of times people do come
forward in certain careers medicine, engineering, you talk about athletes before,

(36:07):
because their coaches have this just high expectation and there's
a lot of vulnerability. Yeah, and people don't want to
show that. And it is and it ties back to
the book of that vulnerability that we don't want to see.

Speaker 14 (36:23):
Like, you know, even before you mentioned that.

Speaker 6 (36:25):
Story about how vulnerable it is, people don't shot that
in society.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, it's almost lawless. Yes, And Arthur calls these folks
just simply heroes for sharing that vulnerability and it's okay,
and they quickly, I mean almost all of them, say
quickly if I can save you know, they think of
others first and rather than protect their you know, their
image or what image people have of them. You mentioned

(36:53):
our topic of perfection. Did that affect you at all
in PA training and you mentioned medicine or in practice?

Speaker 14 (37:00):
Well, yeah, absolutely. I was very young when I went
to PA school.

Speaker 6 (37:03):
There's also imposter syndrome that is very similar to perfectionism
or telephobia. A telephobia is that fear of failure, whereas
imposter syndrome is fear of feeling like you're a fraud
when really that you're quite capable and you have that ability,
but you just have such insecurities that you feel that
other people are going to look at you that you're

(37:25):
not capable of doing it. And you see a lot
and that intertwines with the telephobia and the imposter syndrome, like,
you know, you want to open up a business and
you think you have all of the knowledge to do so,
but you just feel like you're going to fail, and
you just don't want to move forward that other people
are going to think that you're not capable when you
really are.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
It's a great point. Now, when we met, you were
very entrepreneurial, right, I don't think you thought of failure
not only as being a physician associate, but you also
had that courage to strike out on your own and
start a business.

Speaker 14 (38:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (38:01):
I think a lot of times what happens as you age,
as you have more responsibilities and you get children, you
have less of that chance of going out and making
that jump because.

Speaker 14 (38:11):
You have more to lose.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Oh, that's when we're younger.

Speaker 14 (38:14):
I feel like we sometimes have that fearlessness.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, and we used to talk about I think it
was some exercise program that we were trying to push
each other from a distance. Pen id X And then you,
I don't think you are married at the time, and
God blessed you've been blessed with beautiful, beautiful, three beautiful children.

Speaker 14 (38:33):
And you can't be perfect with three boys.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
You cannot be perfect. I cannot be perfect. Well, you've
been listening to carrisa Romano physician assistant on The Man
in the Arena back with Pada rourc, Gabby Thatcher, and
myself Ret Thatcher. We'll be right back.

Speaker 8 (38:48):
I'm sorry to bother you, but I have thirty seconds
to give you a very important message.

Speaker 10 (38:52):
My name is Arthur Lee.

Speaker 8 (38:53):
I'm the CEO inventor of life Back, a simple choking
rescue device that could save a life in a choking emergency.

Speaker 10 (39:00):
We've saved over three.

Speaker 9 (39:01):
Thousand lives now, but we're not there.

Speaker 8 (39:04):
Five thousand people you choked to death, one child every
five days. Please consider protecting your family in a choking
emergency with life Back.

Speaker 9 (39:13):
Go to lifefac dot net today. Thank you for your time.

Speaker 13 (39:16):
I was in the living room when I heard my
son Carter, who was two aayt the time. I looked
over and I saw him grabbing for his face. It's true.
I grab a life back. I put the mask on
his face and place push, pull the life back, dislodge
the ice cube from his airway. When he started crying,
the most amazing sound I've ever heard in my entire life.

Speaker 14 (39:39):
Please protect your family, get.

Speaker 9 (39:41):
A life back.

Speaker 11 (39:43):
Life Back is proud to be at the forefront of
innovation in choking rescue. Recently, the American Red Cross updated
its guidelines to include anti choking devices as an option
for choking emergencies. This life saving update recognizes the importance
of tools like life BAC designed to help in traditional
methods may not be feasible or fail. LIFEAC is there

(40:03):
when seconds matter most. Join the thousands of families who
trust Life Act. Lifeact can make the difference between life
and loss. Go to lifeac dot com to get yours today.

Speaker 8 (40:14):
Hi, I'm Arthur Lee, inventor, founder and CEO of life
AAC and a proud father. Did you know choking is
the fourth leading cause of accidental death. Tragically, one child
dies every five days. Now imagine your child, your spouse,
or someone you love choking. You have only seconds to act.
It's a situation no one wants to face, but it

(40:34):
can happen to anyone. That's why I created life Back.
Life back is a life saving airway clearance device that's
already saved over three thousand lives. It's easy to use,
non invasive, and gives you the power to act when
every second counts. Don't wait until it's too late. Visit
lifefact dot net today and use promo code life to

(40:54):
save twenty percent on your Life Back Home kit. That's
lifefact dot net. Pro Life joined thousands of families who
own life Fact life that can make the difference between
life and loss. Go to lifefac dot net and get
yours today.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Now on iHeartRadio more of the Man in the Arena,
the Life Back Radio Show.

Speaker 12 (41:18):
Here again are Arthur Lee and Rick Thatcher.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
I'm Rick Thatcher with the CEO, inventor of Life Back,
Arthur Lee. Arthur, you authored the book Sorry cantas a
lie I'm gonna say, within the last couple of years,
but it really illustrates your path and also lays out
a blueprint for others that can create their own greatness.

Speaker 8 (41:39):
If you think about it. You know what we've done
as a team. Eleven years ago, I went in my garage,
I heard of a choking death and decided to make
a difference. And throughout that time there were lessons that
came in that were learned, and there were parts of
my past that gave me the foundation to persevere, to
handle adversity, to come up with solutions. You know, the

(42:02):
journey has been incredible, but part of me says, not
only are we saving lives with Life Act, but if
we share our generations experiences that maybe we can help
other people in that avenue too, and it'll be you know,
it'll be kind of personal, like we all develop our
foundation ourselves. There's nothing that we can take. We can

(42:23):
try and guide ourselves, but internally we got those mechanisms,
those instances, those lessons that drive us forward.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Right now, stepping back, because paramount to this whole Life
BacT story is the origins, the genesis of how Life
Act became a reality. So back in going to say
twenty twelve, when you created the company, tell us about
the inspiration the story.

Speaker 8 (42:49):
Well, you know, I was in the book, it's the
Wingman chapter, but I was visiting my friend Stevie, and
he was mom was in the hospital get an operation,
and I just keeping him company, right, wanted to go.

Speaker 9 (43:01):
Home, my pal.

Speaker 8 (43:03):
I said, all right, I'm going to stop it and
keep him company. And he points across at the hospital
and I'll never forget the look. It was a steel
gurney and you know, like a hospital could be a
cold environment. And he says, last time I was here,
there was a seven year old on that gurny dead
and I was like, right away, my daughter's seven, so
b perk up. And he says she choked to death.

(43:25):
And there they tried all the procedures. Nothing worked. And
then he went into talking about the wailing of the parents,
the mother on the floor. That was just like Jello,
the staff, him and his mom. And that started creeping
into me, that pain, and I was like, well, I
took the course. When Jackie was born. I felt comfortable

(43:47):
that if she did choke, I could save her. And
I didn't feel that after that moment.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Because you heard this, did more, you learned of the stats.

Speaker 8 (43:55):
Yeah, and it's well that night I went home and
I said, my hope was like a buy something right,
I could just get something be done. I was finishing
up my career. I was ready to retire, and nothing
that existed felt comfortable. There's plenty of suction devices, but
they have a tube, and I know I'm going to
be freaking out. You know, situation, Well, you got minutes

(44:19):
and then that's when the research started. Right, five thousand
people a year, one child every five days, four minutes,
response time seven minutes, and all this information. Never knew
this in a million years, never even thought of it.
Choking's the fourth leading cause of accidental death. Who the heck,
knew that you got poisonings, car accidents, slips and falls, choking, choking, Yes,

(44:45):
so I kind of was in a little bit of
a panic mode only because of responsibility. I now know
that this might not work, So I got to do something.
So just started tinkering and experimenting and trying to come
up with something that was dad proof, meaning super simple,
superintuitive and affected. And by that time I had studied

(45:10):
lang Hill and Guldner, which are two medical studies that
will tell you the force generated by the Heimlich. So
I said, Okay, this is the number I have to hit.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
And I said, and talk about those numbers for a minute,
because it's the science that you discovered that really backs
up the downfall of standard protocols. The comparison of the
abdominal thrust or Heimlich.

Speaker 8 (45:33):
It was physics. When we do abnominal thrusts at backblows,
we're trying to generate force from the human body by
squishing it or smashing it. So what is happening is
you're trying to make force to push the object. Both
those studies measured it right, and it goes from zero
you die to a maximum of seventy when it comes

(45:53):
shooting out and goes across the room. And we've had
stories like that. A friend he said, he put a
dent in his wall. I'm like this, son, that's seventy
that's the MAC.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
That's a hard projectile.

Speaker 8 (46:04):
Yeah, it was pretty cool. That sounded like it. Think
that doll you squish and he thus the ball out.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
So and by the way, pardon the interruption for a second,
but no medical background. Right, you came from air freight.
Now where did this thirst for science purely out of
protecting your daughter and finding an answer?

Speaker 8 (46:22):
Yeah, pretty much. And the good thing was, as I
started my research, I said, okay, it's physics, not physiology, right,
I don't have to be a doctor, because what we
basically have is a stuck pipe. Right. And I went
on depot and it was a little sink, pungent, and
I still remember it very clear. I put it on
my face and I pushed it and they made a

(46:43):
pop and I said, oh my god, I think there
are some force. Yeah, And then it went back to
my shop, took my whole saw, cut it out, drove
the hole, put it actually used a little coke bottle
and shaped it on my standard because I didn't want
to spend the money on a mask and it.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
We're coming back. My name is Rick Thatcher. We've got
more coming up. Stay tuned.

Speaker 11 (47:04):
Life AAC is proud to be at the forefront of
innovation in choking rescue. Recently, the American Red Cross updated
its guidelines to include anti choking devices as an option
for choking emergencies. This life saving update recognizes the importance
of tools like LIFEAC designed to help when traditional methods
may not be feasible or fail. LIFEAC is there when

(47:25):
seconds matter most. Join the thousands of families who trust
Life Aact. LIFEAC can make the difference between life and loss.
Go to lifeac dot com to get yours today.

Speaker 8 (47:35):
Hi, I'm Martha, the inventor, founder and CEO of life
BAC and a proud fall them. Did you know choking
is the fourth leading cause of accidental death Tragically, one
child dies every five days. Now, imagine your child, your spouse,
or someone you love choking. You have only seconds act.
It's a situation no one wants to face, but it

(47:55):
can happen to anyone. That's why I created life BACA,
a life saving airway clearance device that's already saved over
three thousand lives. It's easy to use, non invasive, and
gives you the power to act when every second counts.
Don't wait until it's too late. Visit lifefact dot net
today and use promo code life to save twenty percent

(48:17):
on your life back home kit. That's Lifeact dot net
promo code Life. Join thousands of families who own life
back life that can make the difference between life and loss.
Go to life aac dot net and get yours today.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Now on iHeartRadio, more of the Man in the Arena,
the Life Back Radio Show.

Speaker 12 (48:39):
Here again are Arthur Lee and Rick Thatcher.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
The Man in the Arena. I'm Rick Thatcher, along with
Gabby Thatcher, Patrick O'Rourke, and Chris Romano and Betsy McCoy.
Let me just say a little bit about this young lady.
Betsy McCoy I met about a year ago. She was
the former lieutenant governor with George Pataki. Such a well
accomplished she wrote a book Beating Obamacare, all about suggestions

(49:03):
and ways that it could be better the healthcare process.
So Betsy McCoy then went on twenty years ago she
started a program called rid Reduce Infection deaths. So I
don't know if you've ever heard of this or where
these stats. One hundred thousand people every year die from
hospital acquired infection. Crazy, A lot of sepsis, a lot

(49:26):
of seed diff I don't know that folks die. But
Betsy designed this kit that has many components that will
prepare someone, especially if they're going in for an elective procedure.
Here at Live Fact, we chase five thousand. We say chase.
I think that's an old softball or baseball term, like
how far are we down? So we're chasing five thousand lives,
they're chasing one hundred thousand. So one hundred thousand people

(49:49):
every year die. That's a football stadium. And then some
of an hospital card. They didn't go in to get
the infection. They went in for a hip replacement. Cesarean
section elective procedures, hip replacement, he replacement, any of those things, colonoscopy.
Maybe all of those standard procedures get complicated at times
with a hospital acquired infection. And we were hoping to

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have Betsy. But I will continue to speak of her
because we just spent some time together at Shop HQ, Minneapolis, Minnesota.
Betsy joined us I go out every month. The folks
in Minnesota as particularly shop HQ. They show the videos,
they share the stories, and I go on and demonstrate
much like Road Show Ryan at the Costcos. Now it's

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important and people call in and they get it either
the first time or they call in and order them
as gifts. But it's just very fulfilling to know that
all those folks that are scrolling on the screen, you know,
they're protected. We say, I know, roadchh O. Ryan out
at Costco is always saying it, I know. Gabby says it.
Pats her to say it, and Chris, we say, you know.

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Once we give you this life back, however you get it,
and hopefully you get the real one. Go to life
affect dot net, l I f E VAC dot net.
Beware the knockoffs, the counterfeits, but we say, we hope
you never have to use it. Right and right, yeah,
I don't want to steal Ray's line, because he's going
to be joining us in a sec. Before we get

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to Ray. Donnie Eisley again, always we love her. She
shares with us. The number total lives saved to date
twenty one eighty one, two one hundred eighty one children,
and when you think of the children, you've got three
at home, can you. I mean, it's really an amazing
impact on those kids, the families, the communities that are

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forever saved or forever saved from a suffering a tragedy,
which and we look at pictures of these families, it's
such a different history for the family that they're not
they're not there anymore. Whoever the loved one is that
was saved, I can't imagine. Yeah, it's it's amazing and
it's so great connecting hallsaves. Can't say enough about the
Hall of Saves. You go in and it's depiction of

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three thy four hundred and plus lives and more going
up every day, that families and the Son of Memorial.
It's a celebration of these families that have been saved.
So prior to this number being shared, we always go
after the numbers being shared to updates. We talked about
them before. But mister three thousand, Ray Preeby from Cape Coral, Florida,

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is joining. So I love when I can change your number,
tell me one more eighty two children.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
I've been saying, so.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
One changed since Dona communicated with both of us and
we'll get an email later the final tally, which will
include this oneable amazing. I'm the Man in the Arena
and we thank you tonight. Give Maya and the rest
of the family a big hug for us because we
call our princess.

Speaker 15 (52:43):
Absolutely definitely will guys, God blessed, love you guys. And
before I go, I want to give some prayers sent
out to the flight fifty three forty two that went
down at Reagan International Parts and prayers and thoughts out
to the families. It's a tragedy and may God look
over all of them.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
And we can't go without hearing your words of advice
that have now become it's really catching on as a
catchphrase like that have it and don't need it, well said, Ray.
You know Roadshow Ryan is using that phrase on a
daily basis. The costco he's gonna make up T shirts
he should wear that. Yeah, from your mouth to his mouth,
road sho Ryan. Anyway, Ray, we thank you so much.

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We can't wait to see you next week on The
Man in the Arena Houston, La Florida and New York.
Right here where we're taping. We thank you so much
for listening on the Man in the Arena. I want
to thank Carissa Romano. I want to thank Patrick O'Rourke
as always, and Gabby Thatcher, thank you so much for
being the voice of the next generation. I'm Rich Thatcher.
Thanks so much. We'll see you next week on The

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Man in the Arena.

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