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I want to talk about the state of the American
conservative movement. I think that there are two centers of
the universe. I don't even know if there is a
center of the universe, but in terms of the conservative world,
there are two. The first is obvious. That's the White House.
It's where President Trump is and you don't even explain
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why that would be a center of the universe. But
there's a second one, and that would be the non
government part of the conservative world, in other words, all
the rest of us. And I believe even after the
passing of passing is the wrong word, even after the
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killing of Charlie Kirk, Turning Point is still the center
of the conservative universe. Turning Point is really the first
group that I can think of in which the right,
broadly speaking, was organized. The left has organized foreff They've
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had lots of different groups that they've always been organized,
and it was one of the strengths that they have.
Part of the reason for that is they have all
of these people who are employees of nonprofits, and the
purpose of the nonprofit is basically to get more money
for themselves and elect democratic public officials. So therefore they
have all of this time to do the organizing and
do all of that works. Republicans, most conservatives have regular
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old lives, hard to organize them, who's going to do it,
and so on? But Turning Point has done this. It
predominantly focuses on younger conservatives, but it's reach I think
has grown beyond that. They held a big meeting over
the weekend. I'm very vague on this. Paul sent me
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some information. Do you claim that your wife was at
this or what was? One of Paul's daughters and his
wife have been at the Turning Point meeting out in
Arizona for the last several days, so they have first
hand knowledge of all of this. But when Turning Point
puts on one of these big deals, everyone who is
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The term influencer is kind of overused, but it makes
sense here. Everyone who is at any fashion an influencer
in the conservative world wants to be part of this
because it's where the action is. Some didn't speak, probably
because they weren't allowed to speak. Most others did speak
because Turning Point is always trying to perceive itself as
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an umbrella organization tolerant of lots of views. So what
happened there, I think it's indicative of where the conservative
movement is. I can't summarize the whole thing, but I've
cherry picked out three things worth talking about, and I'll
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now if you want to see how the mainstream media
focuses on the conservative movement. It's stuff like this. There's
a headline js online preddition of the journal on Monday
and this podcast released on Monday. By the way, I
have found that it is more important than ever to
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mention when the podcast is released, because I now think
most people are just behind, and when I say behind,
they're like two or three podcasts away from the one
that I'm most I'm just maybe it's just the way
people react to me. I just heard ninety six, I
just heard this one, I just heard the other one.
And they all do number them. They don't say the
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Monday podcast. They say whatever the number is and the behind.
So giving you a frame of reference of when this
is being released is probably important. So anyway, this is
in the Monday, December twenty second see newspaper. Here's the
hellline Mega clashes at turning point event see newspaper. Headline
writers are, by and large terrible. I was a headline editor.
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I was the editor of my student newspaper, and one
of the things that editors do, even the sub editors,
is you write headlines. Most people hated it because writing
a headline headline is just a pain in the ass.
First of all, you have to fit the number of
characters that are available. You have to decide how big
the headline is going to be, and that determines based
on the space that you have, the number of characters
that you have, and then you've got to boil out
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and summarize a story to be able to essentially tell
the whole story in like five or six words. I
liked doing that. Most people didn't. When people in the
media now, the way newspapers are run, they've got like
an editor sitting in the case of gonna add some
central part of the universe, editing for sixteen newspapers. They
barely read the story. They crank something out. And this
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is more than anything else in the media, It's where
their bias comes out. Mega clash is a turning point
of it. Well, first of all, now you know exactly
where the story is gonna come from, instead of focusing
on anything that anyone said, or anything interesting or anything
positives like they clashed. Well, of course there were a
clash because the conservative movement doesn't see eye to eye
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on all issues. You couldn't put together any group of
anybody other than saying the AOC crowded the squad where
they don't clash because there you're not allowed to clash.
You're required to think the way everybody else thinks. It's
kind of like China. You don't think this way, you're
sent off on your disappeared, but they do rightly focus
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on a couple of things, including the fact that Candae
Owans didn't speak. Now, if you've not followed this, there's
a reason that she didn't speak. Candie Owans has been
crapping all over Turning Point ever since Charlie Kirk was killed.
She had a meeting with Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, who
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now runs the organization, and they said it kind of,
you know, found agreement on certain things. But Candace Owans
has essentially suggested that Charlie was killed by Turning Point people,
or that they knew about it or enabled it. When
interviewed about this, she says, I'm just asking questions. She's
not asking questions. She's made accusations, So she didn't speak
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at this. And one of the story is is that
lots of people were talking about her. None of those well,
it's no kidding. They might have been talking about the
Arizona Cardinals football game too. The point though, I'm bringing
this up is I think what Erica Kirk and the
Turning Point people are trying to do is keep a
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very big tent. But there are limits. If you're suggesting
that people running this organization killed my husband you're probably
outside the tent. But Tucker Carlson did speak. Tucker Carlson
is someone who he's wandering to the edge of this
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big conservative tent. Tucker has been incredibly successful, but as
I've said in a few past podcasts, I'm I've been
confused about what he's been up to for the last
I don't know, six to nine months, in which just
seems to me that he's become obsessed with the issue
of Israel to the point of exclusion of being interested
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in anything else. The Israel issue is one of those
issues in which some conservatives disagree. However, I think you'd
be hard pressed to find many conservatives who think that
it is the most important issue confronting America. It's an issue,
but it dwarfs in comparison to numerous other problems that
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we face, including the fact that the Democrats have gone
all out Marxist. Nonetheless, Pucker's all over this. Now, I
was not at the event. I could haul in Paul's
wife here in a comment and what she thought of
what was going on at the event. Well, that's it.
But I do have and again, everybody interprets things differently.
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We all have biases. I try when I report on
things that I've seen or observed or have a thought on,
to be free of these biases and report things accurately.
And then the bias comes in when I express my opinion. Now,
this is one guy's take. He posted an X under
the name Wells Jordan. It's the Reverend Jordan Wells bombshell
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at Amfest America Fest. That's the Turnt group. Dead silence
from the tp USA. That's turning pot USA crowd as
Tucker Carlson spans his entire speech shilling for Islam. Zero cheers, crickets.
You could hear a pindrop Tucker Catarlson. That's a guy's name. See,
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it doesn't work if you're pronounce Qatar Cutter the way
some people pronounce it. But if you're pronounce a Qatar,
it's a pretty clever Tucker Catarlson. Okay, that's not bad.
But if you said Tucker Cutterlson, it wouldn't work. I've
argued forever. Whatever Qatar's name is just everybody decided. And
you know, half the people say cutter, the other says
I don't care, but it is just all the side.
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I prefer to say Qatar because it rolls off the
tongue better, and it's what they call the country as
long as they've been alive. Paul agrees with you, o
this right? Well, that all right fine? Anybody who disagrees
with that, what are you gonna do about it? Tucker
Katar Elson is officially gone. This is the guy writing,
though this is not my opinion, the man who once
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exposed the establishment is now a paid mouthpiece for Islamic
apologists and Qatar's agenda daily anti Israel, rants soft on
jihadist sympathizing regimes, but suddenly Islam gets the kid gloves treatment,
and other words, guy's asking the question of Tucker's challenged
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every establishment that there is, and it's the reason that
he got to where he was, and it's also the
reason that he met a lot of people at Fox
and elsewhere uncomfortable. But the challenging just seems to stop
when it comes to the Islamist movement. Now, whatever the
motivation for it is, Tucker's become, in my opinion, just
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the one note singer. And based on this and now again,
this person obviously disagrees with Tucker on this position, but
his point that he was making is that none of
it resonated with the Turning Point crowd that without regard
to and they're sure there are people in the Turning
Point crowd that are more in the Candice Owns Tucker
Carlson point of view on things in Israel, and quite
a few that are more closer to the Ben Shapiro
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position on the issue, very pro Israel. Nonetheless, I don't
think it was what any of them particularly wanted to hear.
And according to this guy, it just didn't resonate. It
fell flat. I want to tell you, though, who didn't
fall flat. I'm glad we picked up on this as
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quickly as we did. For those of you who stop
paying attention to music and know nothing about hip hop
or rap, and you stop paying attention to music forty
years ago and you know nothing about hip hop or rap.
Nicki Minaj is a big deal. Again. The term influencer
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probably there probably needs to be a better word, because
it covers almost every rapper or hip hop artist is
an influencer. I mean, one of them holds up a
bottle of vodka and instantly that's the bottle of vodka
the people are ordering at the bars. It's remarkable the
power that they have their brand endorsers, and that's because
a lot of the people who follow them identify with
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what they have to say. You know, the Kardashians just
made a field day out of this. Put your name
on something. The youngest one, what's her name, The one's
last name is Jenner. What's her first name? Kylie? Yeah.
I mean she's a billionaire with the product, and it's
just it's she creates a brand and publicizes the brand. Well.
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Nicki Minaj is a big deal, and she has made
a turn. It's been rather quick, and I don't know
if everyone could trust it yet that she could turn
just as quickly the other way. But Nicki Minaj is
broadly speaking mega. The first conservative comments that she made
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that I was aware of came a few months ago
when she joined in with those voices that are trying
to draw attention to the genocide in Africa of Christians.
There is an incredible growth in Christianity in Central Africa,
Catholicism and a number of Protestant religions, primarily because of
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missionary work that's gone on there. This is a tremendous
threat to Muslims who believe that if you're not a
Muslim you should be killed and they're being slaughtered right
and left. Several commenters pointed out about this, Pope Leo
commented on it, a number of others, and Nicki Minaj
on her social media posts simply echoed and reposted something
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and threw in a comment on her own about the
terrible genocide that's going on. Again, it's not a clear
right versus left issue, but it certainly seems to me
that the left has been rather silent on the slaughter
in Africa of Christians. When Nicki Minaje said that, then
she launched off a little over a week ago on
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Gavin Newsom. Now we all know why Gavin. First of all,
California is important, but secondly, Gavin Newsom's probably going to
be the Democratic candidate for president in twenty twenty eight,
and Nicki Minaj launched off on him. Then she showed
up a turning point. No, again, she's not a political speaker,
and I don't think that she's well versed on every
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issue that there is that's out there. The significance of
Nicki Minaj being a turning point is that Nicki Minaj
is a turning point. We've joked over the years about
the number of celebrities that are on our side, the conservatives,
you could other than really obscure ones. You can cut
them on one hand. Take out country music, and we've
had like none. Name all the rock and roll conservatives
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that you can think of. Forever and ever, it was
only one Ted Nugent. Then we got kind of got
Kid Rock, who sort of crosses rock and roll at
hip hop. I mean that, Okay, Paul named the third one.
It's remarkable. There's a sillion people. There are sum that
have had you know, that's been at what Yeah, I
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just mean that you've been able to identify, though for years,
as being figures of the right that we could count
on as having our side. Ted Dugit was forever and
he was in the ra and everything else, and then
Kid Rock for the last number of years. But otherwise
it's been the desert. Then named the number of like actors.
I mean, for the longest time, it was Tom Sellick
and nobody else, and Cline East would partly he was
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much more moderate. He just wasn't liberal. Nonetheless, it's been
expressed that there have been many, many, many more, and
many people have commented to this. They've been simply silenced,
you can't work, you'll be ostracized, You're done if you
express it. Finally, I think not only the fact that
Trump won, but he carried the popular vote in twenty
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four It's just changed things. I mean, the silencing of
people has really slowed down. People aren't afraid anymore. So
all of a sudden, Nicki Minaje comes around. She was
at turning point, which is I say, it's a huge deal.
And again, if you're like, I don't know what percentage
of my audience is A lot have heard of her,
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but I don't know anything else beyond that. How many
people would like know something beyond just they know her name?
Of my percentage in my audience thirty five, suffice to say,
suffice to say that she's huge And in the case
of your daughter, she would be Yeah, I would say
she's close to what Whitney Houston would have been back
when we were younger, thirty or forty years ago. Right,
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you're right, Taylor step showed off the Chiefs game. It
hit a whole new crowd of people. Nicki minaj going
to turning Point, it's the same kind of thing. We're
going to play a segment here. No again, I don't
think Nicki Minaj is deeply considered every conservative issue. So
she appeared on stage jointly with Eric A. Kirk and
they had like a conversation. We're gonna play just a
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couple minutes of it here and the significance of it
is that it happened. So the first voice you'll hear
is eric and then she talks to Nicki Minaj.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So, with regard to the current administration, what has been
maybe the biggest surprise for you or something that you
just really has been put on your heart that you've
learned about our president and our vice president.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Well, I have the utmost respect and admiration for our president.
He he has I don't know if he even knows this,
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but he's given so many people hope that there's a
chance to beat the bad guys and to win, and
to do it with your head held high and your
integrity intact. He's from Queens, New York like me. So,
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but what it's shown me personally is sometimes you know,
even in the worst feeling times in your life, you
think that you're never going to come back from it,
but you do. And our president shows that he's been
through every single thing a person could be through publicly
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having a constantly be lied on. It's not really that
funny until you are in that person's shoes that's being
lied on. You'll never understand what it feels like. That
person is a human being. They have a family who
has to read those lies, and that's not and it's
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just not fair. But this administration is full of people
with heart and soul and they make me proud of them.
Our vice president, he makes me well.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I love both of them.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
But they're both powerful men, smart, strong, all of that.
But both of them have a very uncanny ability to
be someone that you relate to. I can relate to
them when I hear them speak, I know that they're
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one of us, like I know that they're not. Don't
you guys agree? They haven't. They haven't lost they haven't
lost touch.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
It went on. Now, Paul made the comment again his
wife and daughter are there, that the place was crawling
with women. When Turning Point found it, it was very young.
Charlie Kirk's a guy, and it was very young, male dominated.
And you know, young single females has been the most
overwhelmingly democratic voting black that we've had in this country,
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with the exception perhaps in general of African Americans, and
there's I'm not going to say that the majority of
young females are now conservative, but that is the greatest
area of growth that's going on right now. And as
I say, I think it starts with First of all,
you just see the way leftist women force you to
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agree with them, because they are so demeaning to you.
If you disagree, you're not a woman, you're not of this,
you're not of that. There's never any argument of substance
from them. It's simply a bullering, bullying and slamming down
of this is the way that you're supposed to think.
So when someone steps out and says I'm not part
of this, it has an impact because some people who
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may not have thought much about issues in their now
it's okay to think this way. Now their mind is open.
They pick up on other things, perspectives that they hadn't
been exposed to before. I could just tell you over
the years that when people come up to me and
you know, they're belling babies and they found my podcast,
but also because they're sitting in the car with their
parents getting picked up from school and so on and
then they became listeners said I was the only voice
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they had heard anywhere, because there's teachers, everything else, other
than maybe their mom and dad talking at home, you
hear other things that suddenly you realize it's okay to
think this way. Now your mind is open. So the
importance of Nicki Minaj being at this thing is that
Nicki Minaj was added. Secondly, you didn't hear her getting
into deep public policy stuff. She said, I think they
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care about there. They're one of us. And Paul makes
the point of strong men, which a lot of young
women are just have been repelled by the woosy mailed
that's out through and I think the strong male things
is what's appealed the whole thing. Charlie Kirk pushed to
a lot of younger men, especially the youngest of the
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millennials and a lot of the Gen zs who've broken
ranks from the prevailing thinking. But one of the things
that Nicki Minaj said is just imagine being lied on.
That's how she expressed it. I mean, I think back
to when I was a kid, there was nothing worse
than like you were accused by a teacher or your
parent of somebody. You know, suppose somebody did something and
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they said you did it, and you didn't. I mean
all the time, you did do it, and you're trying
to weasele your way out of it. But there's nothing
worse than being accused of doing something that you didn't do.
That's all Trump's been exposed, you hammered with. And I
suspect at some point, probably in the rapper world, with
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all these rivalries or some gossiping, probably and I'm not
up on Nicki Minaja, probably somebody said something about her
at one point that wasn't true or something, and that's
why she brought that up. Anyway, It made me think
when you go back to some of the things that
Rob Reiner said about Trump, the comments that Trump made
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following Rob Reiner's death were nothing in comparison to what
Rob Reiner said about Trump. Now, I still don't think
Trump's you would have said it. I don't think if
somebody dies, if you don't like him, you keep your
mouth shut and bring it up later or so forth,
and so on. Nonetheless, you can see how that's still
stung with Trump, the fact that Rob Ryaner lied about
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him and told this BS and one other point to
make about Turning Point. JD. Van's book, There's an interesting
Peace in the Epic Times. It's a very good conservative publication,
and it draws attention to, if not a formal endorsement,
that the Turning Point Empire, and that's the headline that's
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used here is all in on JD. Vance any other
Republican make ittstead of running for president, the Turning Point
group is behind JD. First of all, being as young
as he is, that's their guy. Secondly, in terms of
his life story and his identification very Charlie Kirk like
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very I think like the people who make up Turning Point,
which is by and large Middle Americans, people who are
not part of the cultural lead and have rejected all
of that stuff. JD give a speech, They're very well received.
But the point of the story is is that the
really the entire group of influencers that make up Turning
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Point are all in on JD. Vance in twenty twenty eight.
And some of the ones that are dissing and naysaying
and kind of off on the margins, you know, Candice Owens,
Tucker Mergery, Teeler Green, some of the others, they're really
not part of that large loop that is turning point.
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All right, I want to turn my attention to the
aftermath of the Hannah Dugan conviction. Her legal team. Now
their next step is they're going to try to get
the judge Len Adolan to overturn the jury verdict. That
can happen after a verdict comes in. The judge has
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the decision to not accept the verdict and say I'm
just ruling the jury got it wrong. And Steve Buskoupik,
former US attorney who's now one of the ninety seven
million lawyers that are working for Hannahdugan, say, we think
that we can convince the judge to do this. And
one of the bases they have is, oh, it's a
split verdict. The media by that, we keep saying it's
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a split verdict. There were two charges. One's a felony,
the other's a misdemeanor. She's convicted of the felony and
not the misdemeanor. I mean, yeah, I suppose you could
say that it's a split verdict. But when the jury
convicts you on the felon, I mean, usually the way
this works is you got ten or eleven jurors who
are convinced of guilt one or two the wobble and okay,
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let's dismiss this charge. And when it's the misdemeanor charge
that they don't convict on, that means that there was
a strong sense guilty of the felony. The felony, of course,
has way more implications than the misdemeanor. The felony is
you know, you can't both as long as you're under
supervision for your punishment. They're just numerous sanctions that a
felony carries, that not a misdemeanor. And the defensive is saying,
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but it was essentially the same crime. Now, my guess
is that they charged both because the prosecutors were fearing
that the jury didn't want to convict him the more
serious charge. They brought up the both, but they charged
they convicted on the more serious one. See, well, the
judge is gonna look at this is not making any sense.
How do you say that they're guilty of one or
not the other? Except that happens all the time. Secondly,
hardly ever, there's a judge. Often a judge will throw
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out a case during the trial. They'll lobbies make a
motion before they go to the jury. We move, we
move for a not guilty ruttering in the basis of
overwhelming that clearly didn't do it. Very rare that a
judge after the jury convicts throws out the conviction. Further,
remember that Len Adelman was the judge who found probable
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cause for the case to proceed. Probable cause means just
that probably they did it. Didn't mean they did, but
probably they did it. If the judge doesn't find probable cause,
the case doesn't go to trial. So he already ruled that. Now,
the one thing I suppose you could say is that
lenninghem Is is as liberal a federal judges the areas in
the United States of America, and he's been a lot
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of bad decisions over the years. But I haven't seen
anything in the way he handled this case, or in
the lead up or the run up to the case
that they indicated that he wouldn't. Secondly, it's certainly possible
that Adelman, as I say, as lefty as can be,
he recognizes that Hanna Dugan crossed the line that no
judge should cross. That this is clearly criminal conduct. Nonetheless,
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it's what they're hanging their hat on. I've suggested that
she should tell her lawyers to drop this and instead
accept the guilty verdict and try to negotiate a deal
with the US Attorney's Office in which their recommendation will
be not for prison. In other words, that she accepted
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aspirement retire as a judge, and the terms of the
probation that she gets includes giving up her law license
and giving up her judgeship in exchange for not going
to prison, which is, you know, sixty six year old woman,
she need to go to prison. Perhaps not, but the
conviction and the ruination of her career is punishment that's
out there. I would suggest that they do that rather
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than continue this. But remember this, These lawyers are being
paid by a legal defense fund that has been bankrolled
by leftist doughters across the country. What happens if Dugan
accepts her guilt and ends the case. Their meter stops running.
It's like some of these people that have been going
to a psychologist or a psychiatrist for twenty five years,
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what interest does the psychiatrist have in curing the person? Well,
that's right, and a lot of them, I mean, these
clients are like crack to them. Well you still okay,
we're making I keep saying we're making progress. We're making progress.
They're making twenty five years later, you're still You're still
a nut. Another component of the story. During the trial,
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the clerk in Dugan's courtroom testified that when all of
this was going on, when the ICE agents were in
the hallway, that the clerk his name is Alan Freed,
no relation to the dj who helped discover Rocket Roll,
just different Alan Freed. I probably didn't need to explain
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that given the fact that they would mean that this
Allen Freed would be one hundred and sixty five years old.
This Allen Freed, the clerk yelled fascists at the ICE agents,
and he testified under oath during the trial that he
did yell this. He then had an interview with js
Online that they posted a video interview that they posted
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on their website in which he said, I stand by it.
I did a little research today. The clerks do not
work directly for the judges. The judge will give instruction,
but the clerks work for the Clerk of the Circuit Court,
which is a separate elected office, and the Clerk of
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the Circuit Court is the one that reviews the judicial clerks,
that makes the assignment. You work for this one, you
work for that one, and so on. The clerk of
the Circuit Court in Milwaukee County as Anna Maria Hodges,
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spoke to her this morning and I asked her, are
you troubled by this? The clerk is an officer of
the court. The clerk is below the judge, but the
clerk is the person who is assisting the judge in
running the court. They take the same oath that the
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judges take with regard to not showing bias. The following
comments are on the record from Anna Maria Hodges, the
court clerk. She said she found that the statement by
Freed was problematic. She emphasized the judges judge that clerks
like judges, are not to express their opinions in the
context of their jobs. Everybody has first of memory rights
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and so on, but not within the context of doing
their job like in court, or in dealing with the court,
or on the court so forth, in the same fashion
as a judge. She said that I can't get into
personnel matters, but that this was discussed. She then told me, however,
that Freed was not fired, so whatever was discussed did
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not include termination. I'm not satisfy with that response. ICE
are law enforcement agents, trials, people who testify in court.
Tons of them are law enforcement agents. You have a
clear bias here from this clerk against law enforcement agents.
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Is it only ICE agents that he consider fascists? Or
how about sheriff's deputies or US marshals are the FBI?
Are they fascists? Now? I don't know if Dugan requested
the guy or birds of a feather flock together, or
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just that so many people in the courthouse are leftists,
but this whole thing of fascist fascist fascist fascist fascist fascists.
First of all, ICE agents are law enforcement employees who
are given orders as to which kinds of crimes to
investigate and act upon. Obviously, if you're in immigrations and
customs enforcement, most of your crimes are either going to
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be related to immigrations or customs, which is bringing stuff
into the country illegally and so on, in the same
fashion that other law enforcement. You know, if you work
for the Coast Gun and you're doing enforcement on the water,
there's certain kinds of cases you're likely to get. But
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many of these ICE agents were ICE agents during the
time that Biden was the president, when they were told
not to do anything. It's a despicable latitude, and it's
been part of this demonizing and dehumanizing of the people
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who work for ICE, people who are simply enforcing federal
law under orders and direction, and to have a clerk
for a judge. Obviously, Dogan's actions of defying a warrant
were felonious behavior, but even Dugan didn't run out and
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start yelling at them that they're fascist and said she
can't cond in bambooslet them and sent them out to
the Chief Judge's office when she can hide it, when
she can hide and a guy that was facing violent
crime charges in her own courtroom. Now to the on
the border case, I find this very interesting. First of all,
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I find all salacious stories and the local news. If
this was somewhere like in Texas, I wouldn't find it
interesting for those I mean, I would think if you're
in southeastern Wisconsin, everybody's heard of on the border, wouldn't you,
because you can't drive on Interstate ninety four without seeing
their billboards, And you know, if you're one of with
the borders, it's on the Milwaukee we're seeing county line.
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It's north of it's in Milwaukee County and Franklin, but
north of the line. And that's the term on the
border comes from Glass. It's a play on the old
and the old thing. It's as gentlemen's club as we
used to When I was younger, we called them joints.
Now they're called gentlemen's club. To Gussie the whole thing up,
and I guess there's probably some truth to that. I mean,
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the strip joints I recall from when I was younger
were basically bars that had a stage in which some
woman was bopping around in a pool. Now they're like
these massive things at high end drinks and so on.
The word forever, and I just hear the word I
get around the word forever is is that on the
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border with a whorehouse. I've heard this forever that everybody,
and not all of those strip clubs are. It basically
depends on what the attitude of the law enforcement is
in the community. If the city that the place is
located in doesn't want this, they don't tolerate it because
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the place can then lose its liquor license. If the
city's kind of okay with it, the stuff's gonna go on.
And I've just heard forever and ever and ever that
on the Border was one of those clubs that if
you wanted to have prostitution for a tip, you could
go into a room. Now, I made the decision for
a zillion reasons after I came to Milwaukee, that I
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can't ever be seen in a stript joint. I even
dodged friend of mine. This goes back thirty five years
or so. A friend of mine was getting married and
they had a party for him, like in the middle
of nowhere near Milwaukee. But they're going to stop at
a strip drint and I couldn't. It was a bachelor party,
and I said I can't go. There's nowhere in Milwaukee,
and people didn't understand. I just mark BELLI would say, so,
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of course I'm not in one of those places. But
way back in the day when I'm I was at
a few of these joints. I know the Drill, and
it's the most notorious strip joint that I've ever seen.
Is there's a place this is. I'm going to tell
this story, though I think I've told the story back
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in the old radio show a couple of times. Way
back when I was in Oshkosh, which was nineteen seventy nine.
You believe that people are thinking, how old are you?
One hundred and fifteen. Yes, they had this place that
was on the edge of town in Oshkosh. It was
actually west of now Interstate forty one. It was then
Highway forty one. It was called the Loft. It was
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just a barn and they converted it into a strip joid,
I mean the guy had. The guy who owned it
was a guy named Kenny. I don't remember the last name,
but his name was Kenny. This is the most notorious
place part in the history of the world. He made
an incredibly shrewd decision. He didn't ask for a liquor license.
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Now you have to think about why he didn't ask
for a liquor license. Why do you think he didn't
ask for a liquor license. No liquor licenses, you gotta close,
like it at two o'clock or whatever it ever and ever,
he was open all night. He could bring if you're
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just a place, you don't have to close at two
o'clock in the morning. So he had this deal in
which he would sell like tomato juice for twenty dollars
and in exchange you got to see and what they
had at the place was absolute total nudity. It was
as notorious as this is what I was working an
ashcars and you hear about this all the time, that
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out of town guys, because the locals all knew better.
You know, you'd pay for the lap dance and all
of that stuff, and now you pay for the special
thing back of the room. And it was a lot
of money. And what do you think went on in
the back of the room, Paul, Yes, actually no, no,
see this guy, as he said, this guy Kenny, who
ran the polace, he was brilliant. No, it took him
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to the back of the room that smooched the bet
and then the girl just left and the guy is out,
like the three hundred and fifty dollars, what's he gonna do?
I mean, some of them every now and then you'd
see one of these idiots complained to the police. So
the police would say, you don't realize that prostitution is illegal.
If you file this complaint, you were admitting to a crime.
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Even though you didn't get anything. You were admitting that
you solicited for prostitutions. So they was goin so their
admission that they were that they paid for this even
though they didn't get it would be criminal in and
of itself. I'm just saying there was, and so Kenny
never got me. There was not prostitution going on in
the place. There was just the lap dancing and all
of that stuff. It was just the license to print money.
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The place is I actually think the barn is still there,
but it's been closed forever. But the old timer some
Monashkosh will have remembered the Lavet all right, what they
do have strip join. But I'm just saying this one
was unusual in that it didn't ever liqu her license
in I don't know how long it was open, but
it's opened the year that I worked in Nashkosh, which
is seventy nine, and we just would hear about this
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stuff all the time. I actually don't remember. I can't
say that I would have been above going to one
of those places. I was twenty two years old. I mean,
I don't remember. I just don't remember if I was
ever in there. I could tell you an arts performing
center story too, I tell you stories. Anyway. Let's get
to that onto the I've just heard forever that on
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the border was one of those places where you could
get sex. There was a big criminal complaint that was
filed against several guys accused of pimping out of on
the border and one of the managers. The criminal complaint
was based apparently on an investigation, and you read the
complaint that went on for five years. Now why five years?
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There's two theories I have one. Only rarely would anybody talk,
and they never felt that they had enough that was
believable enough to go to trial with. Secondly, this is
the one I lean to. Franklin officials decided that they
were perfectly fine with this until they weren't. Now why
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would they not be fine with it? Right now? Paul,
here you go to do you don't know? See, I
have the advantage of this advantage of having an incredible
cynical now you Paul Olive and Paul, I don't think
knows that it. Paul lives north and I know that
area and what goes on down there a little bit
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more than most because I've driven south of ninety four forever.
It ever and ever, this is very very close to
where the BUCkies is gonna be, and the BUCkies is
it's not a truck stop. I think I've miscidentified it
is that we'll first discussed this months ago. It's like
a truck stop, except there's not trucks. It is a
massive beyond. It's like a bass pro shops kind of thing,
but it's like for roadside travelers and so on. It's
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a huge deal and it's it's family orient. It's right
by Worthy on the board. Is it now that Franklin
wants to IgE? I just wonder about the timing of
all of this. And I also wonder, given what we've
heard about the less than above board annex of certain
public officials in Franklin, whether or not there was a
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looking the other way forever anyway. From the criminal complaint,
one of the individuals that's charged is the manager, Brian Hopkins.
Interest the owner wasn't charged. I don't know if charges
that'll come, or if he's cooperating or what the deal is.
But the manager, Brian Hopkins is charged to I'm going
to quote for there's several pimps that are charged as well,
and they were accused of basically doing their pimping out
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of the club that the dancers were working for them.
They'd take their money and they worked in combination with
the club. It's in the criminal complainant Brian Hopkins, the manager.
I'm going to read this complainant, and again, the complainant
is a police officer from Franklin. Complainant knows Brian Hopkins
is one of the head managers at OTB OTB on
the Border. Neither Hopkins nor OTB prevented or stopped the
commercial sex acts from occurring within the business. And again,
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this is a criminal complaint. Doesn't mean it's true, but
it's what's being alleged. OTB only required that employees like bouncers,
bartenders and DJs get a tip once the sex acts
were complete from the female that performed the sex act. Honor.
Around November sixteen, twenty twenty two, a source described OTB
as a whorehouse with owner Danny Hay He's named in
the complaints, so i'll name him, and manager Brian Hopkins.
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The witness stated customers can get any second act they
want inside OTB. Additionally, the witness reported the females that
have traffickers usually see the traffickers in the club later
in the evening and close at a closing time. Yeah,
I imagine Honor about February twenty seven, twenty twenty. Now
that's five years ago, a former worker at OTB stated,
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so they've been getting this information forever. A former work
at OTB stated that sex trafficking takes place inside the club.
At OTB management is aware of it and benefits from
it by receiving a tip from the females for the
sex states. These sex states take place in the private
dance rooms, so it appears the customers are receiving a
private dance, but instead the customers are paying for sexual acts.
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The witness explained that either the dancer or the customer
will tip the DJs in bouncer's money. They will turn
down the lights in the VIP room so a sex
act can take place and not be visible on the
security cameras. Complainant is aware that OTB is publicly known
for allowing sex acts to occur inside the club, at
leastaid publicly not. I mean, I knew it, and I've
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ever been there. I just have heard this, and I've
heard that this is not allowed at most of the
other local strip clubs. There's a certain one run by
a certain family, one of whose members is now in
prison right now, where I was told that this go
go on, but at some of the others, I've just
told that no, because the police wouldn't tolerate it. That
they say you can't do any of it anyway. Complaintives
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have observed OTB discussing on USA sex guides and online
forum where individuals post statements alluding to the availability alluding
to the availability of sex acts inside the club and
though the people posted on this this is where you
go off here in Milwaukee. You go to on the board.
You can do it right in there and they post
the number the back to the complaint. In October of
twenty twenty two, Franklin p D received an anonymous handwritten letter.
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The letter explained how the writer, an anonymous male, stopped
it on the border several months ago and paid for
a lap dance. During the course of the lap dance,
the female dancer performed a sexual act on the other
on the anonymous male. Anonymous mails stated that the letter
is stated in the letter that the club OTB seemed
to openly allow prostitution to take place inside the business location.
On March twenty seven, twenty twenty three. Again, this is
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now two and a five years ago. A trash poll
was conducted from three dumpsters from OTB. I gotta admit,
how do you like to be the cop that's assigned
that job? Do you want to go to the dumpster
and on the border during the trash pole, fourteen condom
wrappers and three used condoms were found. I just okay,
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imagine being the guy. I know they got gloves on
and all this. You're the guy bagging the used condom
and putting in the Now again, I find this interesting.
This isn't twenty twenty three. These charges are coming out Hopkins,
that's the manager. Hopkins' knowledge of these pimps is evident,
with Hopkins being mentioned in the following Instagram conversation obtained
from Durant. That's another alleged defendant here Instagram account, and
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they pull off of Instagram a conversation that two of
them have about what you're allowing here and what you're
allowing here and so on, and it's very damning to Hopkins'
knowledge of this. And then continuing from the complain, it
was well known amongst employees that danced at OTB that
if Hopkins fired them from working inside OTB, then they
could pay Hopkins to get their job back. So again
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the complaint is saying that Hopkins would fire you and
then extort you and you have to pay them and
you get money to get your job back. Should have
tried this with you, Paul, you're fired, as Paul, Paul Paddick.
What is he gonna do? Paul, give me a hundred bucks?
I got thought of it. You're ready hired. I know,
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I'm guessing that one hundred is probably what the going
rate might have been on the border. I don't what
do I know. An employee witness stated that the money
would have to be at least several thousand dows my
goodness to get their jobs back, and then they quote
several of the complaining witnesses who are former employees. TP
was informed by Hopkins that if she was fired from
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on the Border, she would then owe him three thousand dollars. kW.
Another one was fired from on the Border by Hopkins
for not tipping well enough. Fly that's the nickname of
any other person indicted here, spoke to Hopkins about kW
getting her job back. Fly then gave kW twenty five
hundred dollars in cash. The kW gave to Hopkins. And again,
these are all simply allegations. They're in the criminal complaint.
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I'll move forward here after the meeting between Hopkins, Durant,
and VD. Durant is again one of the four people
that's criminally charged. One of Durant's girls, Mocha, known to
law enforcement as VT, got her job back at On
the Border. MM heard that VT had to pay approximately
forty five hundred dollars to Hopkins to get her job back.
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Complaint is also aware of On the Border being notorious
for pimps to receive girls from on the border, and
these girls continue to work it on the border while
under the direction of a pimp. So again, this cheminal
complaint is saying that that the pimps were working with
on the Border to pimp out and traffic these women.
Based on the above statements, the complaint and Planet's examination
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of review of otb's left by customers, complaints known that
OTB is a place where persons habitually engage in non
marital sex acts. Complainant also knows, based on his knowledge
and involvement in this investigation, that Hopkins exercises management or
control over on the Border. On the Border put out
a statement and relates to the indictment. We've been a
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long time business here in the community, so forth and
so on. So anyway, these criminal charges are now done
against three of the alleged pimps and the manager of
the place. They're filed in Milwaukee County Circuit Court. They
certainly would be grounds for a revocation of the liquor license.
And given the fact that, as the complaint is, by
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the way, posted on billing dot com by website for
those of you that want to get into all of this,
much of this information is several years old. And I
asked the question of why now, And given that this
is Franklin, and Franklin is either cozy with a business
or not cozy with a business, there may be a
reason not to be cozy with the business right now.
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But as I say, anybody who's kind of heard anything
that sort of just hears things around here has heard
forever that this kind of stuff was a regular occurrence
at on the border. This is the Mark Belling podcast.
This is the Mark Belling Podcast. One of the statements
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that's just been jammed down our throats is fact is
that the twenty twenty election was on the up and up.
Any claims of election irregularities are unfounded, untrue. One of
the people that refused us to shut up about this
is Trump. We've had a development over the last week
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that's quite interesting. We now have open evidence of drastic
irregularities in the election in Georgia in twenty twenty. There
are people that simply never let this drop. Fulton County.
Fulton County is the Atlanta area. It is now, after
all these years, admitting that they that they violated the
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rules in twenty twenty when they certified three hundred and
fifteen thousand early votes that lacked poll workers signatures. No,
when you early vote, which would mean often voting in person,
but prior to election day, as I vote, the poll
worker signs their name on the outside of the ballot,
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and you sign your name lacking a signature like this,
who knows where the ballot came from, but the poll
worker's signature. And again, anybody can fake a signature, but
the poll workers signature or the poll worker signature you
can tie to that poll worker is the check that
exists on these ballots. Fulton County is now admitting that
three hundred and fifteen thousand, that's a huge number of
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the early votes did not have a poll worker signature.
It's possible the poll workers didn't know they had a
sign and they were so overwhelmed at the early voting
that they just took the envelope without the signature. But
by law, you can't count. This is wisconsitut. You can't
count a ballot that does not have the poll worker signature,
or if you mail it in the witness signature, you can't.
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Fulton County is admitting that they did this. Now, does
this mean that none of these people were actual people voted, No,
But it does mean the votes shouldn't have been counted.
It's the most blatant violation of election law that you
could imagine. The Secretary of State also found that Fulton
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County violated official election processes. Here's a post on exem
Fisher King. Remember that Trump was indicted for pressure uhuring
Georgia's Secretary of State Brad Raffensburger to investigate election integrity
to state. You recall that one of the state that
Trump was hammering on the most and is objecting in
twenty twenty and early twenty twenty one was Georgia. He
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had that famous phone call with the secondary of State
Brad Raffensberger. Trump was indicted on this. This is one
of the charges by which he was brought criminal charges
against him by Fannie Willistown in Georgia for trying to
change the results of the election. We now have reason
for Trump to be pounding that there should be an investigation.
As I've said forever, the truth always comes out. Often
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it comes out. Everybody kind of shrugs their shoulders and
says they've all moved on. But the truth is coming
out that there were votes that clearly should not have
been counted in Georgia. Now, I'll point out this does
not mean Trump would have won the twenty twenty election,
because Georgia in and of itself would not have swung
the election. However, it's certainly an indication that the people
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said nothing to a missing something, did a miss occur?
Kyle Nebecker posting an ex Fulton County does not contest
that at least three hundred, fifteen thousand votes were illegally
counted in the twenty twenty election. We're not talking about
a few hundred votes, three hundred and fifteen thousand Biden,
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they say one Georgia by eleven thousand votes kind of
puts that Fannie Willis Law fair suit claiming Trump engaged
in a conspiracy to contest the Georgia election in a
whole new light, does it. Meanwhile, back in Wisconsin, the
US Department of Justice has asked the Wisconsin Election Commission
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to see the state's voter rolls. The Wisconsin Election Commission,
remember three Democrats, three Republicans, has refused to turn these
over to the Department of Justice. They claim state law
does not allowed them to do so. Well, whether it
does or it doesn't, the United States Department of Justice
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has the right to investigate whether or not individual states
are violating the law. By that token, we'd still have
the South segregated. If when the United States Department of
Justice when Bobby Kennedy showed up in the state of
the Mississippi or Alabama to present an indictment to the governor,
the federal government's laws dual hold sway federal government can
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claim the election laws are being violated. Wisconsin Election Commission
is not turning over the voter rolls. The vote was
five to one. The one who voted to do turn
it over correct vote was Bob Spindell. Republican. Bob Spindell
is the only member of the Election Commission who has
consistently stood up for election integrity. He's the Milwaukee County
Republican Chairman, and he's the appointee of the state Republican.
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Republican State Senate Don millis the appointee of Robin Voss.
He voted not to turn it over. And Marge Bosselman,
retired clerk who's designated as a Republican but always the
votes with the Democrats are virtualized votes of the Democrats.
She voted not to turn it over. The Trump administration
Department of Justice wants to look into whether or not
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the voter roles are all screwed up, are the proper identification,
driver's license numbers can do verifying, and so on, the
kind of investigation that many of us have called for now.
I've argued forever that the problem Wisconsin isn't so much
the voter roles as it is same day registration. Because
same day registration there's no check at all. Person registers
the same day, they give them a ballot two minutes later.
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Anybody can pull off a scam there with a fake identification.
But what those people are then on the voter rolls,
you can at least after the fact, know that they
were there. I am telling you that I don't buy
this argument that state law doesn't allow them to turn
it over. I believe the Election Commission does not want
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to turn these voter rolls over because they are fearful
that the voter roles will be exposed by the Department
of Justice. Is being all screwed up. It is a
disgrace that the two Republicans Millis and Bosselman joined in
voting against this without regard to what state law says.
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When the FBI or the DOJ come in and are
conducting a criminal investigation into whether or not you're branking
the law, you should be cooperating with that investigation. You
can't say we're not allowed to turn over the information
of the criminal behavior that we're engaged in. This is
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a story that's not going to go away. Several conservative
organizations in Wisconsin have joined in on this. Wisconsin Institute
of Law and Liberty and the Maciper Institute have both
published statements in support of the DOJ investigation, drawing attention
to their own concerns about the integrity of the voter rules.
In the state of Wisconsin. They've identified the shooter at
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Brown University. There's still not a lot of detail here,
but he was found dead. He's a guy who entered
the United States in twenty seventeen under the lottery that
was in place for immigrants to come into the United States.
He's Portuguese. He's also been identified as a suspect in
the shooting at MIT of an MIT professor, and it's
worth noting that that professor was Portuguese as well. Do
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you see how they found the body and connected this?
They found him at a storagein You're right about this.
He was the guy who tipped them off as the
homeless guy who was living in the engineering building at
Brown University. The DEI police chief there and the DEI
police chief in Providence, Rhode Island, they couldn't find deadley squad.
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It took a homeless guy to be able to crack
the case. But still there are questions now. Laura Lomer
is a conservative conspiracy theorist. I don't endorse everything she
has to say, and for a lot of people she's
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over the edge. But the post that she makes here
just because you're over the edge on some things doesn't
mean that you don't put things clearly on others. Here's
what she posted. The Providence, Rhode Island Police Achie chief
of Police, said the Brown University shooter was a Portuguese
national named Claudio Nevas Valenti. He was forty eight years
old and his last address was listed in Miami, Florida.
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The shooter was an immigrant student and a Muslim who
shouted Alahu alahu akbar. That is why Brown covered it up.
They wanted to prodect an immigrant student. They should be
held accountable. Now we don't know if that's why they
covered it up, but we have heard, however, that numerous
students who were in the area were never interviewed by
the police. It's possible that the Brown police were a
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bunch of d bozos who didn't know anything about police
or whose big idea of law enforcement was to make
sure that somebody wasn't sneaking beer into the dorm at
three o'clock in the morning. Maybe they were just incompetent hacks.
But if indeed the alahu akbar statement was made, it
certainly would be an explanation as to why Brown would
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not ask about it. If you don't ask something you
can't hear, an answer that you don't want to hear.
It draws attention, however, to the absurdity of the person
of interest, the young man from Cedarberg, who was named
all over the media for whom we would have no idea,
no reason to believe that he would espouse any of
these ideas. Yet that said they were after and now
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we hear that there's this guy who's Portuguese and apparently
a Muslim yelling Alahu Akbar and may have been suspected
in the killing of an MIT professor. There is also
now strong reason to believe that Ellikook, the female who
was killed here, was the target of all of this.
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There is now information and again you have a lot
of Internet salutes who are digging into things and finding
information that the cops didn't come up with. The meeting
that she had was not a regularly scheduled academic session,
what is a private one on one session, and the
shooter may have had knowledge that she was going to
be there. So if you had an execution of a
student who was Christian by a guy that's yelling out
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a prominent statement issued by Muslim terrorists before they commit
an act of terror. And it's only uncovered because a
guy who's living in the engineering building at Brown was
aware of what was going on behind the scenes. What
an indictment that was. But there's another question that needs
to be asked here. I tend to ask questions that
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people don't like to ask. Are we just accepting that
a major university has a homeless person living in an
engineering building? Is that not a security risk of all
the buildings? I mean, these Ivy League universities have been
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so overcome by DEEI and leftism that they have become
run idiotically. The cops are idiots, the professor is an idiot,
the university president is an idiot. And aside from reviews
and what to do with homeless people, it is certainly
a security risk to allow someone access in the middle
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of the night to a building with potentially as much
I would say dangerous stuff in it as the department
of engineering. Let me turn my attention now. There's going
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to be a follow up on this in segment three.
I have put off until right now saying the word
Chicago bears at all. I'm doing the podcast on Monday.
I'm just telling you this whole state other than Bear fans.
We're in a totally crabby Muda on Sunday. There's a
separate story, though about the Bears that's worthy of discussion.
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Illinois is run by JB. Pritzker. He's also going to
run for governor, excuse me, for president. You can make
a great argument as to which state is more screwed up,
Illinois or California. They're both screwed up. JB. Pritzker, however,
has claimed forever that Illinois is a great state for business.
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The Chicago Bears, for several years now, have wanted to
build a new football stadium. The city of Chicago wants
them to stay in the city of Chicago. The Bears,
not surprisingly, want to get out of Chicago. Soldier Field's
a dump, It's a bad location. The stadium is the
smallest in the NFL. There's no parking, Chicago's crime infested.
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A number of years ago, they bought the Arlington Park
racetrack in Arlington Heights and tore it down. That has
been their desired location ever since. The deal, however, simply
has not gone forward. The Bears want a clarification of
what the property taxes are going to be on the
property Essentially, they're looking for a tax break and they
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haven't gotten one from the state of Illinois. So the
Bears are sitting there now for years, unable to move
forward and building a new stadium. The Bears last week.
This is prior to the Packer game. And again, I'm
not even sympathizing with the Bears. Anything bad that happens
to them right now is perfectly fine with me. But
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it's a description of how screwed up Illinois is. The
Bears made the decision to essentially put the Arlington Heights
plan that they've been trying to move forward with for
years on hold, and they are saying that they are
looking at alternate sites, and the top of their list
of alternate sites is moving to Indiana. You look at
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a map of Chicago, the northwestern corner of Indiana is
really the Chicago suburbs, Gary, Hammond, so on. Hammond is
a rather nice city. Indiana was one of the leaders
in having casino development, and so on. Hammond is a
rather progressive city. Indiana has a Republican governor, and so on,
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and they're considering Hammond. If you look at a map
of Chicago they have for free, it's either ninety or
ninety four. I forget which one it is. The Chicago
Skyway is an offshoot of the freeway system down there,
and it's the one that really skirts right along Lake
Michigan on an angle heading from downtown Chicago into northeastern Illinois.
It's either ninety or ninety four, and I forget whichever
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one of the other one it is. But there's freeway
access there from the Chicago area, and for the South
suburbs of Chicago, it's more convenient than Soldier Field. And
some people believe that they're just bluffing by bringing up
the Indiana thing and an attempt to get Illinois back
to the bargaining table on this to try to jump
start all of this. But the reality is is that
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Illinois will hand out welfare to everybody under the sun.
They will coddle criminals like crazy. But they've got a
sports team here, the Bears, that can't get a stadium
built in as far as I apparently, the Bears are
not looking for cash subsidies, or maybe they're looking for some,
but mostly they want to have the tax situation clarified.
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Is to move forward in Island to Knights because the
footprint for the stadium would be absolutely huge. I think
that they're looking to get out of paying property taxes.
They're having a limit on it, but they want to
know what the number is before they move forward here,
and Illinois just isn't playing ball with them, so they
say that they're going to look at northwestern Indiana. It's
the same thing in California, and in this case it's
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the Bears. But no matter what it is, these leftist
states just can't bring themselves to be friendly to business.
Right now, if you want and outside the box thought
of this, I'm going to suggest something outside the box.
But make a clear I am not in favor of
my outside the box thing. You have no ability to
think outside the box. I have another I have another
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solution for the Bears. I'm not in favor of it.
I'm just gonna throw it out there, all right. They're
willing to look at northwestern Indiana, right it's close enough
to Chicago there are the most affluent bearer. Chicago is
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one of those communities in which the north suburbs tend
to be much richer than the south suburbs. You know,
Lake Forest, Barrington, all of that stuff, and not totally
different from what it is in Milwaukee. You do have
that dog track property in Kenosha County. They wouldn't have
to change the name. They could still call themselves the
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Chicago Bears. The New England Patriots are nowhere near Boss
Boston when they're in Foxborough. If they're thinking about Indiana,
they could build this thing in Kenosha. It hads right
there on the freeway, incredible land available. You could tie
it into a casino development, and it's probably more convenient
to the bulk of Bear fans to get to than
try to fight through that. I mean, just try to
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try to get to Soldier Field. It's hard to even
get there, you know, in mass transit, because it's underneath
the freeway. You got to go under the ground. There's
no parking on the site or anything or another. Now,
I do not want the Bears in the state of Wisconsin,
and I think that the packers would object because the
Milwaukee market is part of their thing. But the location
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is a location that would be probably almost as close
to downtown Chicago as the Indiana one. It would be
farther away but close enough to their fan base and
so on, and it would be an outside the box
solution not one that I'm in favorable. At some point,
something's going to happen with that old dog Track site.
The monominees in the seminoles still want it to be
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a casino, But the reason nothing's happened is it's kind
of on hold, waiting for Tony Evers to bleep or
get off the pot so President Trump can greenlighted to
go ahead and be a casino, which would mean having
to get the pot of watavies to agree to something
in exchange for this, And I've suggested that you hold
the sports betting thing over their head to green light
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the casino thing. But in the meantime, Kenosha County is
being developed all up and down that strip at the
old dog track site right in the middle of the
county there is still being held open because of the
potential that at some point it would become a casino.
Imagine if you had the Bears. Though I don't want
them down there. I don't want to drive past the
stupid Bear state, and I don't want to have anything
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to do with them, But from the perspective of the Bears,
I think that that location would be as ideal as
Northwestern and I know why they want to go to
Arlington Heights in the first place. They want to get
out to the suburbs, their fan bases out there on
their suburbs. Dealing with anything in the city of Chicago
is an absolute mess. They want to be able to
have parking, they want to have tailgating, and they just
You're in a situation, though, and every other business in
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the state of Villain I can relate to this. Trying
to do business with the state of Illinois, if you're
an existing business there is impossible. Just as it's impossible
in California and impossible in it It's going to be
impossible in New York. Mannontti takes over. Democrats simply can't
work with business, no matter what the business is. You're
listening to the Markedlling podcast. This is the Markedelling podcast.
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This is a ps to the discussion that we had
a moment ago about the Bears in Chicago and so on.
Interesting story here. You may recall that I forget when
it was. It seems to me that it was about
twenty five years ago that Boing moved its headquarters to Chicago.
They're still a big manufacturing plant in watching It state,
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but they moved their head quarters to Chicago. They initially
lease space and then they bought the building. It's called
Riverside Plaza. They bought it for one hundred and sixty
five million dollars in two thousand and five. Boeing has
since moved out of the building. Not surprisingly, Boeing bugged
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out of Chicago as quickly as they bugged in. Everybody's
getting out of Chicago. Do you know what? Boeing sold
that building for twenty two million. They lost one hundred
and forty three million on the deal. The building is
worth about fourteen percent of what it was when they
bought it. I'm not going to be labor this, but
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I have some observations of the bare Packer game. Everybody's
making this comparison, and I'm going to chime in because
it's just apped to me. This game was the exact
same thing. Is what happened to the Packers in that
playoff game against Seattle in twenty fifteen, the game in
which the Packers had the huge lead, and I mean
everything was the same. There was a huge lead late
in the game, you dominated the other team for fifty
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eight minutes. There was a muffed on side kick in
the middle of the thing, which led to it overtime
and then the other teams going to tell And I
mean it was just a mirror example. But that was
my takeaway from the game is in order for the
Bears to win, about twelve things had to go wrong
for the Packers, and they all did. I mean, you
go back to earlyly, if Josh Jacobs fumbles on the
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two yard line, I believe, and people will just say
that this is cry baby Packer fan stuff. I believe
the part of the Bears game plan was to knock
Jordan Love out of the game. First of all, they
came off playing rough and aggressive from the get go. Secondly,
and I don't know how much attention this got because
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I'll admit I wasn't reading everything about the game because
I didn't want to. The guy who hit Love that
was his second roughing the passer, and that Love went
out early in the game. It was his second roughing
the passer. He hit Love late twice. Secondly, you can
say that Love was moving down at the same time
the guy was going down when it was helmet to
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helmet the replay enough, I think he went for Love's head.
You can say he did it, he didn't. I think
the Bears wanted to knock Jordan Love out of the game.
He just reminded me of the game forty years ago
when the Packers decided to go after McMahon, when they
had Charles Martin body slammed him, mcken stell's hitting, guys,
laid out of bounds and so on. That the Bears
are just with Ben Johnson. They're obsessed with the Packers,
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and they decided that they were going to bully the Packers.
The Packers never retaliated. I think they deliberately took Love
out of the game. Now, I understand, when you have
a lead, you don't want to commit a stupid penalty.
So going after Caleb Williams, you could say that, well,
why commit a stupid penalty like that and get him
back into the game. But the reality is is that
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the Bears were playing I felt overly aggressively throughout the
course of the game, and there's no payback from the Packers.
The payback was the Packers were dominating them. The Bears
have a great offense. They had six points at fifty
eight minutes, that's what they had. Six points in fifty
eight minutes. The Packer defensive coordinator halfway enjoy him when
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I have him, because he's gone at the end of
the year. He's just gone. I just do not see
a scenario where he's not a head coach. There's too
many jobs that are open. He's respected by everyone. The Packers'
defense all season was premised on moving Parsons around because
they knew he would be double teams, so they wanted
to put him in a different position and each time
complicating the attempts to double team him, and that freed
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up the other players on the defense. Suddenly you have
to change your entire focus by not having Parsons. Now,
the Packers did say, as we were, you know, doing
our preparation for the season. Remember they didn't get Parsons
until right before the season began. They went back and
reverted to the way they were planning to run their
defense all along before Micah Parsons got here. Nonetheless, it
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was a tremendous performance by the defense until you know,
it's the same thing as the Seattle game. One thing
led to another, then the floodgates broke. As for the
drop on sidekick, I mean, the happiest guy in the world.
Is Bostick right now, It's now Dobbs is the punchline.
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The difference, of course, is that Bostick was a backup Romeo.
Dobbs had a brilliant game. He probably has the best
hands of the team. He had five catches in the game.
He said he took his eye off the ball and
if the Bears were hitting, so he knew what was
gonna happen. The ball bounced and Dobbs probably glanced up
to see who was gonna drill him. Dobbs is a
history of concussions, and the Bears were probably just gonna
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they were gonna go for his head, hoping to force
a fumble and drive the ball free, and probably Dobbs
thought about that for that split second and it buffed away.
But when you cover a ball like that, your whole
mindset is grab the ball, and also in your your
body is going down over the ball, just in case
your muffets, so that you're covering the ball and it
bombs out of there. And the moment that it happened,
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I'm sure some packer farewell, but they still have to go.
I just it just it was doomed. I mean, I
do not ever remember the I'm not saying this has
not happened, Paul. You ever remember the Packers winning a
game because they recovered an on sidekick. Never, I'm not
saying they never have. But I can now think of
two games that we've lost it because we did, and
the on side kick is very hard to recover, especially
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now where you have to declare that they're going to
do it. So I mean that had to happen. And
then I mean the Bears score the tying touchdown on
that fourth down play where the Packer defenders got screwed up.
It wasn't a pick playable. It was a crossing pattern
and it looked like one of the guys lost his
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footing and Nixon was in the wrong place. But even
with that, you know, the Bear's receiver, the guy who
doesn't catch any passes name I forget who caught the pass.
He was opened by fifty ten twelve yards right. Williams
almost overthrew him. That was a terrible pass that he
threw the guy's wide open and the guy had to
dive and make a juggling catch and hang on and
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stay in bounds in the corner of the end zone.
Because the Packer pass rush was spectacular. Williams just basically
put the ball up in the year. He juggles the ball,
it goes to his hands, he loses, then the Packers
get the ball. I mean, nobody's blaming Willis for that fumble,
but I don't know if he was changing the play
before it, or if the center might have snapped it
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when he wasn't ready for it. The conditions were cold,
but you know, if they get that snap, they get
in and they score the game. There was potentially a
chance that this game could have ended up in another
tie for green Bay, but it didn't. I mean, the
hard thing for green Bay to recover from, aside from
the fact that they're almost certainly not going to win
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the division, to recover from and still make the playoffs
is whether or not there's going to be an overhang
from this game. Oftentimes there is. Green Bay does catch
a break and play it. Now. Baltimore is in a
must win situation next week. But Jackson got knocked out
of the game against New England last night, and I
think I didn't check his status, but it looks to
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me like he's going to have trouble playing in Baltimore
with all Lamar Jackson is just a different team. Weirdly,
it's two Saturday night games in a row for green Bay,
but that game is critical for the Packers as I
understand it, and Paul might be more up on this
than me. I believe the Packers need to win one
of these games in order to get into the playoffs.
Is that correct? Oh? As you're saying they have to
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win two to clinch, they could win one by beating Baltimore.
That I didn't know. Now, the final game of the
season is Minnesota, and that game would be meaningless for
the Vikings, but I'm sure the Packers would prefer to
have things taken care of by then. Detroit did lose
their game, and Detroit's another team that has won so
many lucky games over the end. I mean, that was
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the wildest ending. Do you think the officials called it correctly? Well?
Do you think it was past interference? Well, don't tell
a Lions fan that, Detroit. It was the end of
the game. Detroit had to score on the play, and
the pass receiver for the Lions pushed off. No, I
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will say this, guys push off all the time, and
about half the time it's caught. He pushed off, and
whether the defender was faking or not, he clearly pushed back,
you know, he buckled on the pushback and that left
him open. The Lions fans are saying it happened before
the pass, which would have made it a block and
not a pass, But it seemed to me that the
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ball was probably in the air, so they called pass interference.
In any event, the receiver ended up even though he
did the push off, catching the ball back in the
field of play, not the end zone. He pushed off
to get free in the end zone because of where
the pass was, he had to cross back into the
field of play and caught it at the one yard
line and was pushed back by the defender. Often you
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can fight through all of that, and they pushed him
back and he was being pushed back six yards and
then lateral s to Jared Goffer ran into the en
zone for a touchdown and the referees ruled it a touchdown.
That call was terrible. His forward progress was stopped, he
was shoved back seven yards, and they didn't If there
wasn't the pass interference, they would have won the game.
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So the referees had to dice through all of this,
and they ruled it. Indeed, he had not hit his
forward progress stopped. He was a lateral and it was
there for a touchdown by golf, but it's negated by
the fact that there was offensive pass interference and the game.
If the game ends on a defensive penalty, you won
an unplayed time down. But if it's an offensive penalty,
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the game simply ends. And from the perspective of the
Packers is very important because it moves the Lions down
another notch in that competition for a playoff spot. There,
Paulsen Malik Willis played incredible for he did. He committed, however,
a terrible fumble and you're right it could have been that. Again.
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I'm not blaming Willis for this, but I do wonder
if Jordan Love had been there, would the Packers not
have sunk in the red zone three field goals by
the pack By the way, mcmaniston's credit for kicking in
those conditions, as this is a bear kicker. But if
the Packers scored just one touchdown in one of the
three times, if they had to kick field goals down
there again again again, they would have won the game.
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It's an aggravating game and it's just made worse by
the fact that it's the Bears, and well, I'm you know,
Paulse's Love may not play this weekend, with Jackson likely
not playing as well if the Packers think they're going
to make the playoffs. The absolute dumbest thing in the
world you can do is try to rush a guy
back from a concussion, because then you get another one.
You also have to be cleared with the concussion. That
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was a bad hit that Love took to the head.
At least I saved the crabbing about this till the
end of the program. Program note for you, for those
of you who don't count by number, by da of
the week, we are going to be doing a podcast
in the Christmas period. It's going to be released as
normal on Wednesday, Christmas Eve, so we will have a
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Christmas Eve podcast. The final podcast of the week, however,
will not be on Thursday, which is Chris to Stay.
We're going to hold that one until Friday, so don't
look for the final one until Friday, and that's we'll
do our football segment as well. Talk to you soon.
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I want to talk about the state of the American
conservative movement. I think that there are two centers of
the universe. I don't even know if there is a
center of the universe, but in terms of the conservative world,
there are two. The first is obvious. That's the White House.
It's where President Trump is and you don't even explain
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why that would be a center of the universe. But
there's a second one, and that would be the non
government part of the conservative world, in other words, all
the rest of us. And I believe even after the
passing of passing is the wrong word, even after the
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killing of Charlie Kirk, Turning Point is still the center
of the conservative universe. Turning Point is really the first
group that I can think of in which the right,
broadly speaking, was organized. The left has organized foreff They've
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had lots of different groups that they've always been organized,
and it was one of the strengths that they have.
Part of the reason for that is they have all
of these people who are employees of nonprofits, and the
purpose of the nonprofit is basically to get more money
for themselves and elect democratic public officials. So therefore they
have all of this time to do the organizing and
do all of that works. Republicans, most conservatives have regular
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old lives, hard to organize them, who's going to do it,
and so on? But Turning Point has done this. It
predominantly focuses on younger conservatives, but it's reach I think
has grown beyond that. They held a big meeting over
the weekend. I'm very vague on this. Paul sent me
(02:23):
some information. Do you claim that your wife was at
this or what was? One of Paul's daughters and his
wife have been at the Turning Point meeting out in
Arizona for the last several days, so they have first
hand knowledge of all of this. But when Turning Point
puts on one of these big deals, everyone who is
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The term influencer is kind of overused, but it makes
sense here. Everyone who is at any fashion an influencer
in the conservative world wants to be part of this
because it's where the action is. Some didn't speak, probably
because they weren't allowed to speak. Most others did speak
because Turning Point is always trying to perceive itself as
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an umbrella organization tolerant of lots of views. So what
happened there, I think it's indicative of where the conservative
movement is. I can't summarize the whole thing, but I've
cherry picked out three things worth talking about, and I'll
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now if you want to see how the mainstream media
focuses on the conservative movement. It's stuff like this. There's
a headline js online preddition of the journal on Monday
and this podcast released on Monday. By the way, I
have found that it is more important than ever to
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mention when the podcast is released, because I now think
most people are just behind, and when I say behind,
they're like two or three podcasts away from the one
that I'm most I'm just maybe it's just the way
people react to me. I just heard ninety six, I
just heard this one, I just heard the other one.
And they all do number them. They don't say the
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Monday podcast. They say whatever the number is and the behind.
So giving you a frame of reference of when this
is being released is probably important. So anyway, this is
in the Monday, December twenty second see newspaper. Here's the
hellline Mega clashes at turning point event see newspaper. Headline
writers are, by and large terrible. I was a headline editor.
(05:00):
I was the editor of my student newspaper, and one
of the things that editors do, even the sub editors,
is you write headlines. Most people hated it because writing
a headline headline is just a pain in the ass.
First of all, you have to fit the number of
characters that are available. You have to decide how big
the headline is going to be, and that determines based
on the space that you have, the number of characters
that you have, and then you've got to boil out
(05:21):
and summarize a story to be able to essentially tell
the whole story in like five or six words. I
liked doing that. Most people didn't. When people in the
media now, the way newspapers are run, they've got like
an editor sitting in the case of gonna add some
central part of the universe, editing for sixteen newspapers. They
barely read the story. They crank something out. And this
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is more than anything else in the media, It's where
their bias comes out. Mega clash is a turning point
of it. Well, first of all, now you know exactly
where the story is gonna come from, instead of focusing
on anything that anyone said, or anything interesting or anything
positives like they clashed. Well, of course there were a
clash because the conservative movement doesn't see eye to eye
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on all issues. You couldn't put together any group of
anybody other than saying the AOC crowded the squad where
they don't clash because there you're not allowed to clash.
You're required to think the way everybody else thinks. It's
kind of like China. You don't think this way, you're
sent off on your disappeared, but they do rightly focus
(06:23):
on a couple of things, including the fact that Candae
Owans didn't speak. Now, if you've not followed this, there's
a reason that she didn't speak. Candie Owans has been
crapping all over Turning Point ever since Charlie Kirk was killed.
She had a meeting with Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, who
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now runs the organization, and they said it kind of,
you know, found agreement on certain things. But Candace Owans
has essentially suggested that Charlie was killed by Turning Point people,
or that they knew about it or enabled it. When
interviewed about this, she says, I'm just asking questions. She's
not asking questions. She's made accusations, So she didn't speak
(07:06):
at this. And one of the story is is that
lots of people were talking about her. None of those well,
it's no kidding. They might have been talking about the
Arizona Cardinals football game too. The point though, I'm bringing
this up is I think what Erica Kirk and the
Turning Point people are trying to do is keep a
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very big tent. But there are limits. If you're suggesting
that people running this organization killed my husband you're probably
outside the tent. But Tucker Carlson did speak. Tucker Carlson
is someone who he's wandering to the edge of this
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big conservative tent. Tucker has been incredibly successful, but as
I've said in a few past podcasts, I'm I've been
confused about what he's been up to for the last
I don't know, six to nine months, in which just
seems to me that he's become obsessed with the issue
of Israel to the point of exclusion of being interested
(08:14):
in anything else. The Israel issue is one of those
issues in which some conservatives disagree. However, I think you'd
be hard pressed to find many conservatives who think that
it is the most important issue confronting America. It's an issue,
but it dwarfs in comparison to numerous other problems that
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we face, including the fact that the Democrats have gone
all out Marxist. Nonetheless, Pucker's all over this. Now, I
was not at the event. I could haul in Paul's
wife here in a comment and what she thought of
what was going on at the event. Well, that's it.
But I do have and again, everybody interprets things differently.
(08:55):
We all have biases. I try when I report on
things that I've seen or observed or have a thought on,
to be free of these biases and report things accurately.
And then the bias comes in when I express my opinion. Now,
this is one guy's take. He posted an X under
the name Wells Jordan. It's the Reverend Jordan Wells bombshell
(09:19):
at Amfest America Fest. That's the Turnt group. Dead silence
from the tp USA. That's turning pot USA crowd as
Tucker Carlson spans his entire speech shilling for Islam. Zero cheers, crickets.
You could hear a pindrop Tucker Catarlson. That's a guy's name. See,
(09:40):
it doesn't work if you're pronounce Qatar Cutter the way
some people pronounce it. But if you're pronounce a Qatar,
it's a pretty clever Tucker Catarlson. Okay, that's not bad.
But if you said Tucker Cutterlson, it wouldn't work. I've
argued forever. Whatever Qatar's name is just everybody decided. And
you know, half the people say cutter, the other says
I don't care, but it is just all the side.
(10:02):
I prefer to say Qatar because it rolls off the
tongue better, and it's what they call the country as
long as they've been alive. Paul agrees with you, o
this right? Well, that all right fine? Anybody who disagrees
with that, what are you gonna do about it? Tucker
Katar Elson is officially gone. This is the guy writing,
though this is not my opinion, the man who once
(10:23):
exposed the establishment is now a paid mouthpiece for Islamic
apologists and Qatar's agenda daily anti Israel, rants soft on
jihadist sympathizing regimes, but suddenly Islam gets the kid gloves treatment,
and other words, guy's asking the question of Tucker's challenged
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every establishment that there is, and it's the reason that
he got to where he was, and it's also the
reason that he met a lot of people at Fox
and elsewhere uncomfortable. But the challenging just seems to stop
when it comes to the Islamist movement. Now, whatever the
motivation for it is, Tucker's become, in my opinion, just
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the one note singer. And based on this and now again,
this person obviously disagrees with Tucker on this position, but
his point that he was making is that none of
it resonated with the Turning Point crowd that without regard
to and they're sure there are people in the Turning
Point crowd that are more in the Candice Owns Tucker
Carlson point of view on things in Israel, and quite
a few that are more closer to the Ben Shapiro
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position on the issue, very pro Israel. Nonetheless, I don't
think it was what any of them particularly wanted to hear.
And according to this guy, it just didn't resonate. It
fell flat. I want to tell you, though, who didn't
fall flat. I'm glad we picked up on this as
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quickly as we did. For those of you who stop
paying attention to music and know nothing about hip hop
or rap, and you stop paying attention to music forty
years ago and you know nothing about hip hop or rap.
Nicki Minaj is a big deal. Again. The term influencer
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probably there probably needs to be a better word, because
it covers almost every rapper or hip hop artist is
an influencer. I mean, one of them holds up a
bottle of vodka and instantly that's the bottle of vodka
the people are ordering at the bars. It's remarkable the
power that they have their brand endorsers, and that's because
a lot of the people who follow them identify with
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what they have to say. You know, the Kardashians just
made a field day out of this. Put your name
on something. The youngest one, what's her name, The one's
last name is Jenner. What's her first name? Kylie? Yeah.
I mean she's a billionaire with the product, and it's
just it's she creates a brand and publicizes the brand. Well.
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Nicki Minaj is a big deal, and she has made
a turn. It's been rather quick, and I don't know
if everyone could trust it yet that she could turn
just as quickly the other way. But Nicki Minaj is
broadly speaking mega. The first conservative comments that she made
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that I was aware of came a few months ago
when she joined in with those voices that are trying
to draw attention to the genocide in Africa of Christians.
There is an incredible growth in Christianity in Central Africa,
Catholicism and a number of Protestant religions, primarily because of
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missionary work that's gone on there. This is a tremendous
threat to Muslims who believe that if you're not a
Muslim you should be killed and they're being slaughtered right
and left. Several commenters pointed out about this, Pope Leo
commented on it, a number of others, and Nicki Minaj
on her social media posts simply echoed and reposted something
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and threw in a comment on her own about the
terrible genocide that's going on. Again, it's not a clear
right versus left issue, but it certainly seems to me
that the left has been rather silent on the slaughter
in Africa of Christians. When Nicki Minaje said that, then
she launched off a little over a week ago on
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Gavin Newsom. Now we all know why Gavin. First of all,
California is important, but secondly, Gavin Newsom's probably going to
be the Democratic candidate for president in twenty twenty eight,
and Nicki Minaj launched off on him. Then she showed
up a turning point. No, again, she's not a political speaker,
and I don't think that she's well versed on every
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issue that there is that's out there. The significance of
Nicki Minaj being a turning point is that Nicki Minaj
is a turning point. We've joked over the years about
the number of celebrities that are on our side, the conservatives,
you could other than really obscure ones. You can cut
them on one hand. Take out country music, and we've
had like none. Name all the rock and roll conservatives
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that you can think of. Forever and ever, it was
only one Ted Nugent. Then we got kind of got
Kid Rock, who sort of crosses rock and roll at
hip hop. I mean that, Okay, Paul named the third one.
It's remarkable. There's a sillion people. There are sum that
have had you know, that's been at what Yeah, I
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just mean that you've been able to identify, though for years,
as being figures of the right that we could count
on as having our side. Ted Dugit was forever and
he was in the ra and everything else, and then
Kid Rock for the last number of years. But otherwise
it's been the desert. Then named the number of like actors.
I mean, for the longest time, it was Tom Sellick
and nobody else, and Cline East would partly he was
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much more moderate. He just wasn't liberal. Nonetheless, it's been
expressed that there have been many, many, many more, and
many people have commented to this. They've been simply silenced,
you can't work, you'll be ostracized, You're done if you
express it. Finally, I think not only the fact that
Trump won, but he carried the popular vote in twenty
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four It's just changed things. I mean, the silencing of
people has really slowed down. People aren't afraid anymore. So
all of a sudden, Nicki Minaje comes around. She was
at turning point, which is I say, it's a huge deal.
And again, if you're like, I don't know what percentage
of my audience is A lot have heard of her,
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but I don't know anything else beyond that. How many
people would like know something beyond just they know her name?
Of my percentage in my audience thirty five, suffice to say,
suffice to say that she's huge And in the case
of your daughter, she would be Yeah, I would say
she's close to what Whitney Houston would have been back
when we were younger, thirty or forty years ago. Right,
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you're right, Taylor step showed off the Chiefs game. It
hit a whole new crowd of people. Nicki minaj going
to turning Point, it's the same kind of thing. We're
going to play a segment here. No again, I don't
think Nicki Minaj is deeply considered every conservative issue. So
she appeared on stage jointly with Eric A. Kirk and
they had like a conversation. We're gonna play just a
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couple minutes of it here and the significance of it
is that it happened. So the first voice you'll hear
is eric and then she talks to Nicki Minaj.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So, with regard to the current administration, what has been
maybe the biggest surprise for you or something that you
just really has been put on your heart that you've
learned about our president and our vice president.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Well, I have the utmost respect and admiration for our president.
He he has I don't know if he even knows this,
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but he's given so many people hope that there's a
chance to beat the bad guys and to win, and
to do it with your head held high and your
integrity intact. He's from Queens, New York like me. So,
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but what it's shown me personally is sometimes you know,
even in the worst feeling times in your life, you
think that you're never going to come back from it,
but you do. And our president shows that he's been
through every single thing a person could be through publicly
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having a constantly be lied on. It's not really that
funny until you are in that person's shoes that's being
lied on. You'll never understand what it feels like. That
person is a human being. They have a family who
has to read those lies, and that's not and it's
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just not fair. But this administration is full of people
with heart and soul and they make me proud of them.
Our vice president, he makes me well.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I love both of them.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
But they're both powerful men, smart, strong, all of that.
But both of them have a very uncanny ability to
be someone that you relate to. I can relate to
them when I hear them speak, I know that they're
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one of us, like I know that they're not. Don't
you guys agree? They haven't. They haven't lost they haven't
lost touch.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
It went on. Now, Paul made the comment again his
wife and daughter are there, that the place was crawling
with women. When Turning Point found it, it was very young.
Charlie Kirk's a guy, and it was very young, male dominated.
And you know, young single females has been the most
overwhelmingly democratic voting black that we've had in this country,
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with the exception perhaps in general of African Americans, and
there's I'm not going to say that the majority of
young females are now conservative, but that is the greatest
area of growth that's going on right now. And as
I say, I think it starts with First of all,
you just see the way leftist women force you to
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agree with them, because they are so demeaning to you.
If you disagree, you're not a woman, you're not of this,
you're not of that. There's never any argument of substance
from them. It's simply a bullering, bullying and slamming down
of this is the way that you're supposed to think.
So when someone steps out and says I'm not part
of this, it has an impact because some people who
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may not have thought much about issues in their now
it's okay to think this way. Now their mind is open.
They pick up on other things, perspectives that they hadn't
been exposed to before. I could just tell you over
the years that when people come up to me and
you know, they're belling babies and they found my podcast,
but also because they're sitting in the car with their
parents getting picked up from school and so on and
then they became listeners said I was the only voice
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they had heard anywhere, because there's teachers, everything else, other
than maybe their mom and dad talking at home, you
hear other things that suddenly you realize it's okay to
think this way. Now your mind is open. So the
importance of Nicki Minaj being at this thing is that
Nicki Minaj was added. Secondly, you didn't hear her getting
into deep public policy stuff. She said, I think they
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care about there. They're one of us. And Paul makes
the point of strong men, which a lot of young
women are just have been repelled by the woosy mailed
that's out through and I think the strong male things
is what's appealed the whole thing. Charlie Kirk pushed to
a lot of younger men, especially the youngest of the
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millennials and a lot of the Gen zs who've broken
ranks from the prevailing thinking. But one of the things
that Nicki Minaj said is just imagine being lied on.
That's how she expressed it. I mean, I think back
to when I was a kid, there was nothing worse
than like you were accused by a teacher or your
parent of somebody. You know, suppose somebody did something and
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they said you did it, and you didn't. I mean
all the time, you did do it, and you're trying
to weasele your way out of it. But there's nothing
worse than being accused of doing something that you didn't do.
That's all Trump's been exposed, you hammered with. And I
suspect at some point, probably in the rapper world, with
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all these rivalries or some gossiping, probably and I'm not
up on Nicki Minaja, probably somebody said something about her
at one point that wasn't true or something, and that's
why she brought that up. Anyway, It made me think
when you go back to some of the things that
Rob Reiner said about Trump, the comments that Trump made
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following Rob Reiner's death were nothing in comparison to what
Rob Reiner said about Trump. Now, I still don't think
Trump's you would have said it. I don't think if
somebody dies, if you don't like him, you keep your
mouth shut and bring it up later or so forth,
and so on. Nonetheless, you can see how that's still
stung with Trump, the fact that Rob Ryaner lied about
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him and told this BS and one other point to
make about Turning Point. JD. Van's book, There's an interesting
Peace in the Epic Times. It's a very good conservative publication,
and it draws attention to, if not a formal endorsement,
that the Turning Point Empire, and that's the headline that's
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used here is all in on JD. Vance any other
Republican make ittstead of running for president, the Turning Point
group is behind JD. First of all, being as young
as he is, that's their guy. Secondly, in terms of
his life story and his identification very Charlie Kirk like
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very I think like the people who make up Turning Point,
which is by and large Middle Americans, people who are
not part of the cultural lead and have rejected all
of that stuff. JD give a speech, They're very well received.
But the point of the story is is that the
really the entire group of influencers that make up Turning
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Point are all in on JD. Vance in twenty twenty eight.
And some of the ones that are dissing and naysaying
and kind of off on the margins, you know, Candice Owens,
Tucker Mergery, Teeler Green, some of the others, they're really
not part of that large loop that is turning point.
(25:40):
All right, I want to turn my attention to the
aftermath of the Hannah Dugan conviction. Her legal team. Now
their next step is they're going to try to get
the judge Len Adolan to overturn the jury verdict. That
can happen after a verdict comes in. The judge has
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the decision to not accept the verdict and say I'm
just ruling the jury got it wrong. And Steve Buskoupik,
former US attorney who's now one of the ninety seven
million lawyers that are working for Hannahdugan, say, we think
that we can convince the judge to do this. And
one of the bases they have is, oh, it's a
split verdict. The media by that, we keep saying it's
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a split verdict. There were two charges. One's a felony,
the other's a misdemeanor. She's convicted of the felony and
not the misdemeanor. I mean, yeah, I suppose you could
say that it's a split verdict. But when the jury
convicts you on the felon, I mean, usually the way
this works is you got ten or eleven jurors who
are convinced of guilt one or two the wobble and okay,
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let's dismiss this charge. And when it's the misdemeanor charge
that they don't convict on, that means that there was
a strong sense guilty of the felony. The felony, of course,
has way more implications than the misdemeanor. The felony is
you know, you can't both as long as you're under
supervision for your punishment. They're just numerous sanctions that a
felony carries, that not a misdemeanor. And the defensive is saying,
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but it was essentially the same crime. Now, my guess
is that they charged both because the prosecutors were fearing
that the jury didn't want to convict him the more
serious charge. They brought up the both, but they charged
they convicted on the more serious one. See, well, the
judge is gonna look at this is not making any sense.
How do you say that they're guilty of one or
not the other? Except that happens all the time. Secondly,
hardly ever, there's a judge. Often a judge will throw
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out a case during the trial. They'll lobbies make a
motion before they go to the jury. We move, we
move for a not guilty ruttering in the basis of
overwhelming that clearly didn't do it. Very rare that a
judge after the jury convicts throws out the conviction. Further,
remember that Len Adelman was the judge who found probable
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cause for the case to proceed. Probable cause means just
that probably they did it. Didn't mean they did, but
probably they did it. If the judge doesn't find probable cause,
the case doesn't go to trial. So he already ruled that. Now,
the one thing I suppose you could say is that
lenninghem Is is as liberal a federal judges the areas in
the United States of America, and he's been a lot
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of bad decisions over the years. But I haven't seen
anything in the way he handled this case, or in
the lead up or the run up to the case
that they indicated that he wouldn't. Secondly, it's certainly possible
that Adelman, as I say, as lefty as can be,
he recognizes that Hanna Dugan crossed the line that no
judge should cross. That this is clearly criminal conduct. Nonetheless,
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it's what they're hanging their hat on. I've suggested that
she should tell her lawyers to drop this and instead
accept the guilty verdict and try to negotiate a deal
with the US Attorney's Office in which their recommendation will
be not for prison. In other words, that she accepted
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aspirement retire as a judge, and the terms of the
probation that she gets includes giving up her law license
and giving up her judgeship in exchange for not going
to prison, which is, you know, sixty six year old woman,
she need to go to prison. Perhaps not, but the
conviction and the ruination of her career is punishment that's
out there. I would suggest that they do that rather
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than continue this. But remember this, These lawyers are being
paid by a legal defense fund that has been bankrolled
by leftist doughters across the country. What happens if Dugan
accepts her guilt and ends the case. Their meter stops running.
It's like some of these people that have been going
to a psychologist or a psychiatrist for twenty five years,
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what interest does the psychiatrist have in curing the person? Well,
that's right, and a lot of them, I mean, these
clients are like crack to them. Well you still okay,
we're making I keep saying we're making progress. We're making progress.
They're making twenty five years later, you're still You're still
a nut. Another component of the story. During the trial,
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the clerk in Dugan's courtroom testified that when all of
this was going on, when the ICE agents were in
the hallway, that the clerk his name is Alan Freed,
no relation to the dj who helped discover Rocket Roll,
just different Alan Freed. I probably didn't need to explain
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that given the fact that they would mean that this
Allen Freed would be one hundred and sixty five years old.
This Allen Freed, the clerk yelled fascists at the ICE agents,
and he testified under oath during the trial that he
did yell this. He then had an interview with js
Online that they posted a video interview that they posted
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on their website in which he said, I stand by it.
I did a little research today. The clerks do not
work directly for the judges. The judge will give instruction,
but the clerks work for the Clerk of the Circuit Court,
which is a separate elected office, and the Clerk of
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the Circuit Court is the one that reviews the judicial clerks,
that makes the assignment. You work for this one, you
work for that one, and so on. The clerk of
the Circuit Court in Milwaukee County as Anna Maria Hodges,
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spoke to her this morning and I asked her, are
you troubled by this? The clerk is an officer of
the court. The clerk is below the judge, but the
clerk is the person who is assisting the judge in
running the court. They take the same oath that the
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judges take with regard to not showing bias. The following
comments are on the record from Anna Maria Hodges, the
court clerk. She said she found that the statement by
Freed was problematic. She emphasized the judges judge that clerks
like judges, are not to express their opinions in the
context of their jobs. Everybody has first of memory rights
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and so on, but not within the context of doing
their job like in court, or in dealing with the court,
or on the court so forth, in the same fashion
as a judge. She said that I can't get into
personnel matters, but that this was discussed. She then told me, however,
that Freed was not fired, so whatever was discussed did
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not include termination. I'm not satisfy with that response. ICE
are law enforcement agents, trials, people who testify in court.
Tons of them are law enforcement agents. You have a
clear bias here from this clerk against law enforcement agents.
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Is it only ICE agents that he consider fascists? Or
how about sheriff's deputies or US marshals are the FBI?
Are they fascists? Now? I don't know if Dugan requested
the guy or birds of a feather flock together, or
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just that so many people in the courthouse are leftists,
but this whole thing of fascist fascist fascist fascist fascist fascists.
First of all, ICE agents are law enforcement employees who
are given orders as to which kinds of crimes to
investigate and act upon. Obviously, if you're in immigrations and
customs enforcement, most of your crimes are either going to
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be related to immigrations or customs, which is bringing stuff
into the country illegally and so on, in the same
fashion that other law enforcement. You know, if you work
for the Coast Gun and you're doing enforcement on the water,
there's certain kinds of cases you're likely to get. But
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many of these ICE agents were ICE agents during the
time that Biden was the president, when they were told
not to do anything. It's a despicable latitude, and it's
been part of this demonizing and dehumanizing of the people
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who work for ICE, people who are simply enforcing federal
law under orders and direction, and to have a clerk
for a judge. Obviously, Dogan's actions of defying a warrant
were felonious behavior, but even Dugan didn't run out and
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start yelling at them that they're fascist and said she
can't cond in bambooslet them and sent them out to
the Chief Judge's office when she can hide it, when
she can hide and a guy that was facing violent
crime charges in her own courtroom. Now to the on
the border case, I find this very interesting. First of all,
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I find all salacious stories and the local news. If
this was somewhere like in Texas, I wouldn't find it
interesting for those I mean, I would think if you're
in southeastern Wisconsin, everybody's heard of on the border, wouldn't you,
because you can't drive on Interstate ninety four without seeing
their billboards, And you know, if you're one of with
the borders, it's on the Milwaukee we're seeing county line.
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It's north of it's in Milwaukee County and Franklin, but
north of the line. And that's the term on the
border comes from Glass. It's a play on the old
and the old thing. It's as gentlemen's club as we
used to When I was younger, we called them joints.
Now they're called gentlemen's club. To Gussie the whole thing up,
and I guess there's probably some truth to that. I mean,
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the strip joints I recall from when I was younger
were basically bars that had a stage in which some
woman was bopping around in a pool. Now they're like
these massive things at high end drinks and so on.
The word forever, and I just hear the word I
get around the word forever is is that on the
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border with a whorehouse. I've heard this forever that everybody,
and not all of those strip clubs are. It basically
depends on what the attitude of the law enforcement is
in the community. If the city that the place is
located in doesn't want this, they don't tolerate it because
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the place can then lose its liquor license. If the
city's kind of okay with it, the stuff's gonna go on.
And I've just heard forever and ever and ever that
on the Border was one of those clubs that if
you wanted to have prostitution for a tip, you could
go into a room. Now, I made the decision for
a zillion reasons after I came to Milwaukee, that I
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can't ever be seen in a stript joint. I even
dodged friend of mine. This goes back thirty five years
or so. A friend of mine was getting married and
they had a party for him, like in the middle
of nowhere near Milwaukee. But they're going to stop at
a strip drint and I couldn't. It was a bachelor party,
and I said I can't go. There's nowhere in Milwaukee,
and people didn't understand. I just mark BELLI would say, so,
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of course I'm not in one of those places. But
way back in the day when I'm I was at
a few of these joints. I know the Drill, and
it's the most notorious strip joint that I've ever seen.
Is there's a place this is. I'm going to tell
this story, though I think I've told the story back
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in the old radio show a couple of times. Way
back when I was in Oshkosh, which was nineteen seventy nine.
You believe that people are thinking, how old are you?
One hundred and fifteen. Yes, they had this place that
was on the edge of town in Oshkosh. It was
actually west of now Interstate forty one. It was then
Highway forty one. It was called the Loft. It was
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just a barn and they converted it into a strip joid,
I mean the guy had. The guy who owned it
was a guy named Kenny. I don't remember the last name,
but his name was Kenny. This is the most notorious
place part in the history of the world. He made
an incredibly shrewd decision. He didn't ask for a liquor license.
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Now you have to think about why he didn't ask
for a liquor license. Why do you think he didn't
ask for a liquor license. No liquor licenses, you gotta close,
like it at two o'clock or whatever it ever and ever,
he was open all night. He could bring if you're
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just a place, you don't have to close at two
o'clock in the morning. So he had this deal in
which he would sell like tomato juice for twenty dollars
and in exchange you got to see and what they
had at the place was absolute total nudity. It was
as notorious as this is what I was working an
ashcars and you hear about this all the time, that
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out of town guys, because the locals all knew better.
You know, you'd pay for the lap dance and all
of that stuff, and now you pay for the special
thing back of the room. And it was a lot
of money. And what do you think went on in
the back of the room, Paul, Yes, actually no, no,
see this guy, as he said, this guy Kenny, who
ran the polace, he was brilliant. No, it took him
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to the back of the room that smooched the bet
and then the girl just left and the guy is out,
like the three hundred and fifty dollars, what's he gonna do?
I mean, some of them every now and then you'd
see one of these idiots complained to the police. So
the police would say, you don't realize that prostitution is illegal.
If you file this complaint, you were admitting to a crime.
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Even though you didn't get anything. You were admitting that
you solicited for prostitutions. So they was goin so their
admission that they were that they paid for this even
though they didn't get it would be criminal in and
of itself. I'm just saying there was, and so Kenny
never got me. There was not prostitution going on in
the place. There was just the lap dancing and all
of that stuff. It was just the license to print money.
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The place is I actually think the barn is still there,
but it's been closed forever. But the old timer some
Monashkosh will have remembered the Lavet all right, what they
do have strip join. But I'm just saying this one
was unusual in that it didn't ever liqu her license
in I don't know how long it was open, but
it's opened the year that I worked in Nashkosh, which
is seventy nine, and we just would hear about this
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stuff all the time. I actually don't remember. I can't
say that I would have been above going to one
of those places. I was twenty two years old. I mean,
I don't remember. I just don't remember if I was
ever in there. I could tell you an arts performing
center story too, I tell you stories. Anyway. Let's get
to that onto the I've just heard forever that on
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the border was one of those places where you could
get sex. There was a big criminal complaint that was
filed against several guys accused of pimping out of on
the border and one of the managers. The criminal complaint
was based apparently on an investigation, and you read the
complaint that went on for five years. Now why five years?
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There's two theories I have one. Only rarely would anybody talk,
and they never felt that they had enough that was
believable enough to go to trial with. Secondly, this is
the one I lean to. Franklin officials decided that they
were perfectly fine with this until they weren't. Now why
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would they not be fine with it? Right now? Paul,
here you go to do you don't know? See, I
have the advantage of this advantage of having an incredible
cynical now you Paul Olive and Paul, I don't think
knows that it. Paul lives north and I know that
area and what goes on down there a little bit
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more than most because I've driven south of ninety four forever.
It ever and ever, this is very very close to
where the BUCkies is gonna be, and the BUCkies is
it's not a truck stop. I think I've miscidentified it
is that we'll first discussed this months ago. It's like
a truck stop, except there's not trucks. It is a
massive beyond. It's like a bass pro shops kind of thing,
but it's like for roadside travelers and so on. It's
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a huge deal and it's it's family orient. It's right
by Worthy on the board. Is it now that Franklin
wants to IgE? I just wonder about the timing of
all of this. And I also wonder, given what we've
heard about the less than above board annex of certain
public officials in Franklin, whether or not there was a
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looking the other way forever anyway. From the criminal complaint,
one of the individuals that's charged is the manager, Brian Hopkins.
Interest the owner wasn't charged. I don't know if charges
that'll come, or if he's cooperating or what the deal is.
But the manager, Brian Hopkins is charged to I'm going
to quote for there's several pimps that are charged as well,
and they were accused of basically doing their pimping out
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of the club that the dancers were working for them.
They'd take their money and they worked in combination with
the club. It's in the criminal complainant Brian Hopkins, the manager.
I'm going to read this complainant, and again, the complainant
is a police officer from Franklin. Complainant knows Brian Hopkins
is one of the head managers at OTB OTB on
the Border. Neither Hopkins nor OTB prevented or stopped the
commercial sex acts from occurring within the business. And again,
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this is a criminal complaint. Doesn't mean it's true, but
it's what's being alleged. OTB only required that employees like bouncers,
bartenders and DJs get a tip once the sex acts
were complete from the female that performed the sex act. Honor.
Around November sixteen, twenty twenty two, a source described OTB
as a whorehouse with owner Danny Hay He's named in
the complaints, so i'll name him, and manager Brian Hopkins.
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The witness stated customers can get any second act they
want inside OTB. Additionally, the witness reported the females that
have traffickers usually see the traffickers in the club later
in the evening and close at a closing time. Yeah,
I imagine Honor about February twenty seven, twenty twenty. Now
that's five years ago, a former worker at OTB stated,
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so they've been getting this information forever. A former work
at OTB stated that sex trafficking takes place inside the club.
At OTB management is aware of it and benefits from
it by receiving a tip from the females for the
sex states. These sex states take place in the private
dance rooms, so it appears the customers are receiving a
private dance, but instead the customers are paying for sexual acts.
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The witness explained that either the dancer or the customer
will tip the DJs in bouncer's money. They will turn
down the lights in the VIP room so a sex
act can take place and not be visible on the
security cameras. Complainant is aware that OTB is publicly known
for allowing sex acts to occur inside the club, at
leastaid publicly not. I mean, I knew it, and I've
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ever been there. I just have heard this, and I've
heard that this is not allowed at most of the
other local strip clubs. There's a certain one run by
a certain family, one of whose members is now in
prison right now, where I was told that this go
go on, but at some of the others, I've just
told that no, because the police wouldn't tolerate it. That
they say you can't do any of it anyway. Complaintives
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have observed OTB discussing on USA sex guides and online
forum where individuals post statements alluding to the availability alluding
to the availability of sex acts inside the club and
though the people posted on this this is where you
go off here in Milwaukee. You go to on the board.
You can do it right in there and they post
the number the back to the complaint. In October of
twenty twenty two, Franklin p D received an anonymous handwritten letter.
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The letter explained how the writer, an anonymous male, stopped
it on the border several months ago and paid for
a lap dance. During the course of the lap dance,
the female dancer performed a sexual act on the other
on the anonymous male. Anonymous mails stated that the letter
is stated in the letter that the club OTB seemed
to openly allow prostitution to take place inside the business location.
On March twenty seven, twenty twenty three. Again, this is
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now two and a five years ago. A trash poll
was conducted from three dumpsters from OTB. I gotta admit,
how do you like to be the cop that's assigned
that job? Do you want to go to the dumpster
and on the border during the trash pole, fourteen condom
wrappers and three used condoms were found. I just okay,
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imagine being the guy. I know they got gloves on
and all this. You're the guy bagging the used condom
and putting in the Now again, I find this interesting.
This isn't twenty twenty three. These charges are coming out Hopkins,
that's the manager. Hopkins' knowledge of these pimps is evident,
with Hopkins being mentioned in the following Instagram conversation obtained
from Durant. That's another alleged defendant here Instagram account, and
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they pull off of Instagram a conversation that two of
them have about what you're allowing here and what you're
allowing here and so on, and it's very damning to Hopkins'
knowledge of this. And then continuing from the complain, it
was well known amongst employees that danced at OTB that
if Hopkins fired them from working inside OTB, then they
could pay Hopkins to get their job back. So again
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the complaint is saying that Hopkins would fire you and
then extort you and you have to pay them and
you get money to get your job back. Should have
tried this with you, Paul, you're fired, as Paul, Paul Paddick.
What is he gonna do? Paul, give me a hundred bucks?
I got thought of it. You're ready hired. I know,
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I'm guessing that one hundred is probably what the going
rate might have been on the border. I don't what
do I know. An employee witness stated that the money
would have to be at least several thousand dows my
goodness to get their jobs back, and then they quote
several of the complaining witnesses who are former employees. TP
was informed by Hopkins that if she was fired from
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on the Border, she would then owe him three thousand dollars. kW.
Another one was fired from on the Border by Hopkins
for not tipping well enough. Fly that's the nickname of
any other person indicted here, spoke to Hopkins about kW
getting her job back. Fly then gave kW twenty five
hundred dollars in cash. The kW gave to Hopkins. And again,
these are all simply allegations. They're in the criminal complaint.
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I'll move forward here after the meeting between Hopkins, Durant,
and VD. Durant is again one of the four people
that's criminally charged. One of Durant's girls, Mocha, known to
law enforcement as VT, got her job back at On
the Border. MM heard that VT had to pay approximately
forty five hundred dollars to Hopkins to get her job back.
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Complaint is also aware of On the Border being notorious
for pimps to receive girls from on the border, and
these girls continue to work it on the border while
under the direction of a pimp. So again, this cheminal
complaint is saying that that the pimps were working with
on the Border to pimp out and traffic these women.
Based on the above statements, the complaint and Planet's examination
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of review of otb's left by customers, complaints known that
OTB is a place where persons habitually engage in non
marital sex acts. Complainant also knows, based on his knowledge
and involvement in this investigation, that Hopkins exercises management or
control over on the Border. On the Border put out
a statement and relates to the indictment. We've been a
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long time business here in the community, so forth and
so on. So anyway, these criminal charges are now done
against three of the alleged pimps and the manager of
the place. They're filed in Milwaukee County Circuit Court. They
certainly would be grounds for a revocation of the liquor license.
And given the fact that, as the complaint is, by
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the way, posted on billing dot com by website for
those of you that want to get into all of this,
much of this information is several years old. And I
asked the question of why now, And given that this
is Franklin, and Franklin is either cozy with a business
or not cozy with a business, there may be a
reason not to be cozy with the business right now.
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But as I say, anybody who's kind of heard anything
that sort of just hears things around here has heard
forever that this kind of stuff was a regular occurrence
at on the border. This is the Mark Belling podcast.
This is the Mark Belling Podcast. One of the statements
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that's just been jammed down our throats is fact is
that the twenty twenty election was on the up and up.
Any claims of election irregularities are unfounded, untrue. One of
the people that refused us to shut up about this
is Trump. We've had a development over the last week
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that's quite interesting. We now have open evidence of drastic
irregularities in the election in Georgia in twenty twenty. There
are people that simply never let this drop. Fulton County.
Fulton County is the Atlanta area. It is now, after
all these years, admitting that they that they violated the
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rules in twenty twenty when they certified three hundred and
fifteen thousand early votes that lacked poll workers signatures. No,
when you early vote, which would mean often voting in person,
but prior to election day, as I vote, the poll
worker signs their name on the outside of the ballot,
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and you sign your name lacking a signature like this,
who knows where the ballot came from, but the poll
worker's signature. And again, anybody can fake a signature, but
the poll workers signature or the poll worker signature you
can tie to that poll worker is the check that
exists on these ballots. Fulton County is now admitting that
three hundred and fifteen thousand, that's a huge number of
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the early votes did not have a poll worker signature.
It's possible the poll workers didn't know they had a
sign and they were so overwhelmed at the early voting
that they just took the envelope without the signature. But
by law, you can't count. This is wisconsitut. You can't
count a ballot that does not have the poll worker signature,
or if you mail it in the witness signature, you can't.
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Fulton County is admitting that they did this. Now, does
this mean that none of these people were actual people voted, No,
But it does mean the votes shouldn't have been counted.
It's the most blatant violation of election law that you
could imagine. The Secretary of State also found that Fulton
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County violated official election processes. Here's a post on exem
Fisher King. Remember that Trump was indicted for pressure uhuring
Georgia's Secretary of State Brad Raffensburger to investigate election integrity
to state. You recall that one of the state that
Trump was hammering on the most and is objecting in
twenty twenty and early twenty twenty one was Georgia. He
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had that famous phone call with the secondary of State
Brad Raffensberger. Trump was indicted on this. This is one
of the charges by which he was brought criminal charges
against him by Fannie Willistown in Georgia for trying to
change the results of the election. We now have reason
for Trump to be pounding that there should be an investigation.
As I've said forever, the truth always comes out. Often
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it comes out. Everybody kind of shrugs their shoulders and
says they've all moved on. But the truth is coming
out that there were votes that clearly should not have
been counted in Georgia. Now, I'll point out this does
not mean Trump would have won the twenty twenty election,
because Georgia in and of itself would not have swung
the election. However, it's certainly an indication that the people
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said nothing to a missing something, did a miss occur?
Kyle Nebecker posting an ex Fulton County does not contest
that at least three hundred, fifteen thousand votes were illegally
counted in the twenty twenty election. We're not talking about
a few hundred votes, three hundred and fifteen thousand Biden,
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they say one Georgia by eleven thousand votes kind of
puts that Fannie Willis Law fair suit claiming Trump engaged
in a conspiracy to contest the Georgia election in a
whole new light, does it. Meanwhile, back in Wisconsin, the
US Department of Justice has asked the Wisconsin Election Commission
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to see the state's voter rolls. The Wisconsin Election Commission,
remember three Democrats, three Republicans, has refused to turn these
over to the Department of Justice. They claim state law
does not allowed them to do so. Well, whether it
does or it doesn't, the United States Department of Justice
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has the right to investigate whether or not individual states
are violating the law. By that token, we'd still have
the South segregated. If when the United States Department of
Justice when Bobby Kennedy showed up in the state of
the Mississippi or Alabama to present an indictment to the governor,
the federal government's laws dual hold sway federal government can
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claim the election laws are being violated. Wisconsin Election Commission
is not turning over the voter rolls. The vote was
five to one. The one who voted to do turn
it over correct vote was Bob Spindell. Republican. Bob Spindell
is the only member of the Election Commission who has
consistently stood up for election integrity. He's the Milwaukee County
Republican Chairman, and he's the appointee of the state Republican.
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Republican State Senate Don millis the appointee of Robin Voss.
He voted not to turn it over. And Marge Bosselman,
retired clerk who's designated as a Republican but always the
votes with the Democrats are virtualized votes of the Democrats.
She voted not to turn it over. The Trump administration
Department of Justice wants to look into whether or not
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the voter roles are all screwed up, are the proper identification,
driver's license numbers can do verifying, and so on, the
kind of investigation that many of us have called for now.
I've argued forever that the problem Wisconsin isn't so much
the voter roles as it is same day registration. Because
same day registration there's no check at all. Person registers
the same day, they give them a ballot two minutes later.
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Anybody can pull off a scam there with a fake identification.
But what those people are then on the voter rolls,
you can at least after the fact, know that they
were there. I am telling you that I don't buy
this argument that state law doesn't allow them to turn
it over. I believe the Election Commission does not want
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to turn these voter rolls over because they are fearful
that the voter roles will be exposed by the Department
of Justice. Is being all screwed up. It is a
disgrace that the two Republicans Millis and Bosselman joined in
voting against this without regard to what state law says.
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When the FBI or the DOJ come in and are
conducting a criminal investigation into whether or not you're branking
the law, you should be cooperating with that investigation. You
can't say we're not allowed to turn over the information
of the criminal behavior that we're engaged in. This is
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a story that's not going to go away. Several conservative
organizations in Wisconsin have joined in on this. Wisconsin Institute
of Law and Liberty and the Maciper Institute have both
published statements in support of the DOJ investigation, drawing attention
to their own concerns about the integrity of the voter rules.
In the state of Wisconsin. They've identified the shooter at
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Brown University. There's still not a lot of detail here,
but he was found dead. He's a guy who entered
the United States in twenty seventeen under the lottery that
was in place for immigrants to come into the United States.
He's Portuguese. He's also been identified as a suspect in
the shooting at MIT of an MIT professor, and it's
worth noting that that professor was Portuguese as well. Do
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you see how they found the body and connected this?
They found him at a storagein You're right about this.
He was the guy who tipped them off as the
homeless guy who was living in the engineering building at
Brown University. The DEI police chief there and the DEI
police chief in Providence, Rhode Island, they couldn't find deadley squad.
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It took a homeless guy to be able to crack
the case. But still there are questions now. Laura Lomer
is a conservative conspiracy theorist. I don't endorse everything she
has to say, and for a lot of people she's
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over the edge. But the post that she makes here
just because you're over the edge on some things doesn't
mean that you don't put things clearly on others. Here's
what she posted. The Providence, Rhode Island Police Achie chief
of Police, said the Brown University shooter was a Portuguese
national named Claudio Nevas Valenti. He was forty eight years
old and his last address was listed in Miami, Florida.
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The shooter was an immigrant student and a Muslim who
shouted Alahu alahu akbar. That is why Brown covered it up.
They wanted to prodect an immigrant student. They should be
held accountable. Now we don't know if that's why they
covered it up, but we have heard, however, that numerous
students who were in the area were never interviewed by
the police. It's possible that the Brown police were a
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bunch of d bozos who didn't know anything about police
or whose big idea of law enforcement was to make
sure that somebody wasn't sneaking beer into the dorm at
three o'clock in the morning. Maybe they were just incompetent hacks.
But if indeed the alahu akbar statement was made, it
certainly would be an explanation as to why Brown would
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not ask about it. If you don't ask something you
can't hear, an answer that you don't want to hear.
It draws attention, however, to the absurdity of the person
of interest, the young man from Cedarberg, who was named
all over the media for whom we would have no idea,
no reason to believe that he would espouse any of
these ideas. Yet that said they were after and now
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we hear that there's this guy who's Portuguese and apparently
a Muslim yelling Alahu Akbar and may have been suspected
in the killing of an MIT professor. There is also
now strong reason to believe that Ellikook, the female who
was killed here, was the target of all of this.
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There is now information and again you have a lot
of Internet salutes who are digging into things and finding
information that the cops didn't come up with. The meeting
that she had was not a regularly scheduled academic session,
what is a private one on one session, and the
shooter may have had knowledge that she was going to
be there. So if you had an execution of a
student who was Christian by a guy that's yelling out
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a prominent statement issued by Muslim terrorists before they commit
an act of terror. And it's only uncovered because a
guy who's living in the engineering building at Brown was
aware of what was going on behind the scenes. What
an indictment that was. But there's another question that needs
to be asked here. I tend to ask questions that
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people don't like to ask. Are we just accepting that
a major university has a homeless person living in an
engineering building? Is that not a security risk of all
the buildings? I mean, these Ivy League universities have been
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so overcome by DEEI and leftism that they have become
run idiotically. The cops are idiots, the professor is an idiot,
the university president is an idiot. And aside from reviews
and what to do with homeless people, it is certainly
a security risk to allow someone access in the middle
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of the night to a building with potentially as much
I would say dangerous stuff in it as the department
of engineering. Let me turn my attention now. There's going
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to be a follow up on this in segment three.
I have put off until right now saying the word
Chicago bears at all. I'm doing the podcast on Monday.
I'm just telling you this whole state other than Bear fans.
We're in a totally crabby Muda on Sunday. There's a
separate story, though about the Bears that's worthy of discussion.
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Illinois is run by JB. Pritzker. He's also going to
run for governor, excuse me, for president. You can make
a great argument as to which state is more screwed up,
Illinois or California. They're both screwed up. JB. Pritzker, however,
has claimed forever that Illinois is a great state for business.
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The Chicago Bears, for several years now, have wanted to
build a new football stadium. The city of Chicago wants
them to stay in the city of Chicago. The Bears,
not surprisingly, want to get out of Chicago. Soldier Field's
a dump, It's a bad location. The stadium is the
smallest in the NFL. There's no parking, Chicago's crime infested.
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A number of years ago, they bought the Arlington Park
racetrack in Arlington Heights and tore it down. That has
been their desired location ever since. The deal, however, simply
has not gone forward. The Bears want a clarification of
what the property taxes are going to be on the
property Essentially, they're looking for a tax break and they
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haven't gotten one from the state of Illinois. So the
Bears are sitting there now for years, unable to move
forward and building a new stadium. The Bears last week.
This is prior to the Packer game. And again, I'm
not even sympathizing with the Bears. Anything bad that happens
to them right now is perfectly fine with me. But
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it's a description of how screwed up Illinois is. The
Bears made the decision to essentially put the Arlington Heights
plan that they've been trying to move forward with for
years on hold, and they are saying that they are
looking at alternate sites, and the top of their list
of alternate sites is moving to Indiana. You look at
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a map of Chicago, the northwestern corner of Indiana is
really the Chicago suburbs, Gary, Hammond, so on. Hammond is
a rather nice city. Indiana was one of the leaders
in having casino development, and so on. Hammond is a
rather progressive city. Indiana has a Republican governor, and so on,
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and they're considering Hammond. If you look at a map
of Chicago they have for free, it's either ninety or
ninety four. I forget which one it is. The Chicago
Skyway is an offshoot of the freeway system down there,
and it's the one that really skirts right along Lake
Michigan on an angle heading from downtown Chicago into northeastern Illinois.
It's either ninety or ninety four, and I forget whichever
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one of the other one it is. But there's freeway
access there from the Chicago area, and for the South
suburbs of Chicago, it's more convenient than Soldier Field. And
some people believe that they're just bluffing by bringing up
the Indiana thing and an attempt to get Illinois back
to the bargaining table on this to try to jump
start all of this. But the reality is is that
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Illinois will hand out welfare to everybody under the sun.
They will coddle criminals like crazy. But they've got a
sports team here, the Bears, that can't get a stadium
built in as far as I apparently, the Bears are
not looking for cash subsidies, or maybe they're looking for some,
but mostly they want to have the tax situation clarified.
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Is to move forward in Island to Knights because the
footprint for the stadium would be absolutely huge. I think
that they're looking to get out of paying property taxes.
They're having a limit on it, but they want to
know what the number is before they move forward here,
and Illinois just isn't playing ball with them, so they
say that they're going to look at northwestern Indiana. It's
the same thing in California, and in this case it's
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the Bears. But no matter what it is, these leftist
states just can't bring themselves to be friendly to business.
Right now, if you want and outside the box thought
of this, I'm going to suggest something outside the box.
But make a clear I am not in favor of
my outside the box thing. You have no ability to
think outside the box. I have another I have another
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solution for the Bears. I'm not in favor of it.
I'm just gonna throw it out there, all right. They're
willing to look at northwestern Indiana, right it's close enough
to Chicago there are the most affluent bearer. Chicago is
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one of those communities in which the north suburbs tend
to be much richer than the south suburbs. You know,
Lake Forest, Barrington, all of that stuff, and not totally
different from what it is in Milwaukee. You do have
that dog track property in Kenosha County. They wouldn't have
to change the name. They could still call themselves the
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Chicago Bears. The New England Patriots are nowhere near Boss
Boston when they're in Foxborough. If they're thinking about Indiana,
they could build this thing in Kenosha. It hads right
there on the freeway, incredible land available. You could tie
it into a casino development, and it's probably more convenient
to the bulk of Bear fans to get to than
try to fight through that. I mean, just try to
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try to get to Soldier Field. It's hard to even
get there, you know, in mass transit, because it's underneath
the freeway. You got to go under the ground. There's
no parking on the site or anything or another. Now,
I do not want the Bears in the state of Wisconsin,
and I think that the packers would object because the
Milwaukee market is part of their thing. But the location
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is a location that would be probably almost as close
to downtown Chicago as the Indiana one. It would be
farther away but close enough to their fan base and
so on, and it would be an outside the box
solution not one that I'm in favorable. At some point,
something's going to happen with that old dog Track site.
The monominees in the seminoles still want it to be
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a casino, But the reason nothing's happened is it's kind
of on hold, waiting for Tony Evers to bleep or
get off the pot so President Trump can greenlighted to
go ahead and be a casino, which would mean having
to get the pot of watavies to agree to something
in exchange for this, And I've suggested that you hold
the sports betting thing over their head to green light
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the casino thing. But in the meantime, Kenosha County is
being developed all up and down that strip at the
old dog track site right in the middle of the
county there is still being held open because of the
potential that at some point it would become a casino.
Imagine if you had the Bears. Though I don't want
them down there. I don't want to drive past the
stupid Bear state, and I don't want to have anything
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to do with them, But from the perspective of the Bears,
I think that that location would be as ideal as
Northwestern and I know why they want to go to
Arlington Heights in the first place. They want to get
out to the suburbs, their fan bases out there on
their suburbs. Dealing with anything in the city of Chicago
is an absolute mess. They want to be able to
have parking, they want to have tailgating, and they just
You're in a situation, though, and every other business in
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the state of Villain I can relate to this. Trying
to do business with the state of Illinois, if you're
an existing business there is impossible. Just as it's impossible
in California and impossible in it It's going to be
impossible in New York. Mannontti takes over. Democrats simply can't
work with business, no matter what the business is. You're
listening to the Markedlling podcast. This is the Markedelling podcast.
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This is a ps to the discussion that we had
a moment ago about the Bears in Chicago and so on.
Interesting story here. You may recall that I forget when
it was. It seems to me that it was about
twenty five years ago that Boing moved its headquarters to Chicago.
They're still a big manufacturing plant in watching It state,
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but they moved their head quarters to Chicago. They initially
lease space and then they bought the building. It's called
Riverside Plaza. They bought it for one hundred and sixty
five million dollars in two thousand and five. Boeing has
since moved out of the building. Not surprisingly, Boeing bugged
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out of Chicago as quickly as they bugged in. Everybody's
getting out of Chicago. Do you know what? Boeing sold
that building for twenty two million. They lost one hundred
and forty three million on the deal. The building is
worth about fourteen percent of what it was when they
bought it. I'm not going to be labor this, but
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I have some observations of the bare Packer game. Everybody's
making this comparison, and I'm going to chime in because
it's just apped to me. This game was the exact
same thing. Is what happened to the Packers in that
playoff game against Seattle in twenty fifteen, the game in
which the Packers had the huge lead, and I mean
everything was the same. There was a huge lead late
in the game, you dominated the other team for fifty
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eight minutes. There was a muffed on side kick in
the middle of the thing, which led to it overtime
and then the other teams going to tell And I
mean it was just a mirror example. But that was
my takeaway from the game is in order for the
Bears to win, about twelve things had to go wrong
for the Packers, and they all did. I mean, you
go back to earlyly, if Josh Jacobs fumbles on the
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two yard line, I believe, and people will just say
that this is cry baby Packer fan stuff. I believe
the part of the Bears game plan was to knock
Jordan Love out of the game. First of all, they
came off playing rough and aggressive from the get go. Secondly,
and I don't know how much attention this got because
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I'll admit I wasn't reading everything about the game because
I didn't want to. The guy who hit Love that
was his second roughing the passer, and that Love went
out early in the game. It was his second roughing
the passer. He hit Love late twice. Secondly, you can
say that Love was moving down at the same time
the guy was going down when it was helmet to
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helmet the replay enough, I think he went for Love's head.
You can say he did it, he didn't. I think
the Bears wanted to knock Jordan Love out of the game.
He just reminded me of the game forty years ago
when the Packers decided to go after McMahon, when they
had Charles Martin body slammed him, mcken stell's hitting, guys,
laid out of bounds and so on. That the Bears
are just with Ben Johnson. They're obsessed with the Packers,
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and they decided that they were going to bully the Packers.
The Packers never retaliated. I think they deliberately took Love
out of the game. Now, I understand, when you have
a lead, you don't want to commit a stupid penalty.
So going after Caleb Williams, you could say that, well,
why commit a stupid penalty like that and get him
back into the game. But the reality is is that
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the Bears were playing I felt overly aggressively throughout the
course of the game, and there's no payback from the Packers.
The payback was the Packers were dominating them. The Bears
have a great offense. They had six points at fifty
eight minutes, that's what they had. Six points in fifty
eight minutes. The Packer defensive coordinator halfway enjoy him when
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I have him, because he's gone at the end of
the year. He's just gone. I just do not see
a scenario where he's not a head coach. There's too
many jobs that are open. He's respected by everyone. The Packers'
defense all season was premised on moving Parsons around because
they knew he would be double teams, so they wanted
to put him in a different position and each time
complicating the attempts to double team him, and that freed
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up the other players on the defense. Suddenly you have
to change your entire focus by not having Parsons. Now,
the Packers did say, as we were, you know, doing
our preparation for the season. Remember they didn't get Parsons
until right before the season began. They went back and
reverted to the way they were planning to run their
defense all along before Micah Parsons got here. Nonetheless, it
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was a tremendous performance by the defense until you know,
it's the same thing as the Seattle game. One thing
led to another, then the floodgates broke. As for the
drop on sidekick, I mean, the happiest guy in the world.
Is Bostick right now, It's now Dobbs is the punchline.
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The difference, of course, is that Bostick was a backup Romeo.
Dobbs had a brilliant game. He probably has the best
hands of the team. He had five catches in the game.
He said he took his eye off the ball and
if the Bears were hitting, so he knew what was
gonna happen. The ball bounced and Dobbs probably glanced up
to see who was gonna drill him. Dobbs is a
history of concussions, and the Bears were probably just gonna
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they were gonna go for his head, hoping to force
a fumble and drive the ball free, and probably Dobbs
thought about that for that split second and it buffed away.
But when you cover a ball like that, your whole
mindset is grab the ball, and also in your your
body is going down over the ball, just in case
your muffets, so that you're covering the ball and it
bombs out of there. And the moment that it happened,
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I'm sure some packer farewell, but they still have to go.
I just it just it was doomed. I mean, I
do not ever remember the I'm not saying this has
not happened, Paul. You ever remember the Packers winning a
game because they recovered an on sidekick. Never, I'm not
saying they never have. But I can now think of
two games that we've lost it because we did, and
the on side kick is very hard to recover, especially
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now where you have to declare that they're going to
do it. So I mean that had to happen. And
then I mean the Bears score the tying touchdown on
that fourth down play where the Packer defenders got screwed up.
It wasn't a pick playable. It was a crossing pattern
and it looked like one of the guys lost his
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footing and Nixon was in the wrong place. But even
with that, you know, the Bear's receiver, the guy who
doesn't catch any passes name I forget who caught the pass.
He was opened by fifty ten twelve yards right. Williams
almost overthrew him. That was a terrible pass that he
threw the guy's wide open and the guy had to
dive and make a juggling catch and hang on and
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stay in bounds in the corner of the end zone.
Because the Packer pass rush was spectacular. Williams just basically
put the ball up in the year. He juggles the ball,
it goes to his hands, he loses, then the Packers
get the ball. I mean, nobody's blaming Willis for that fumble,
but I don't know if he was changing the play
before it, or if the center might have snapped it
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when he wasn't ready for it. The conditions were cold,
but you know, if they get that snap, they get
in and they score the game. There was potentially a
chance that this game could have ended up in another
tie for green Bay, but it didn't. I mean, the
hard thing for green Bay to recover from, aside from
the fact that they're almost certainly not going to win
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the division, to recover from and still make the playoffs
is whether or not there's going to be an overhang
from this game. Oftentimes there is. Green Bay does catch
a break and play it. Now. Baltimore is in a
must win situation next week. But Jackson got knocked out
of the game against New England last night, and I
think I didn't check his status, but it looks to
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me like he's going to have trouble playing in Baltimore
with all Lamar Jackson is just a different team. Weirdly,
it's two Saturday night games in a row for green Bay,
but that game is critical for the Packers as I
understand it, and Paul might be more up on this
than me. I believe the Packers need to win one
of these games in order to get into the playoffs.
Is that correct? Oh? As you're saying they have to
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win two to clinch, they could win one by beating Baltimore.
That I didn't know. Now, the final game of the
season is Minnesota, and that game would be meaningless for
the Vikings, but I'm sure the Packers would prefer to
have things taken care of by then. Detroit did lose
their game, and Detroit's another team that has won so
many lucky games over the end. I mean, that was
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the wildest ending. Do you think the officials called it correctly? Well?
Do you think it was past interference? Well, don't tell
a Lions fan that, Detroit. It was the end of
the game. Detroit had to score on the play, and
the pass receiver for the Lions pushed off. No, I
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will say this, guys push off all the time, and
about half the time it's caught. He pushed off, and
whether the defender was faking or not, he clearly pushed back,
you know, he buckled on the pushback and that left
him open. The Lions fans are saying it happened before
the pass, which would have made it a block and
not a pass, But it seemed to me that the
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ball was probably in the air, so they called pass interference.
In any event, the receiver ended up even though he
did the push off, catching the ball back in the
field of play, not the end zone. He pushed off
to get free in the end zone because of where
the pass was, he had to cross back into the
field of play and caught it at the one yard
line and was pushed back by the defender. Often you
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can fight through all of that, and they pushed him
back and he was being pushed back six yards and
then lateral s to Jared Goffer ran into the en
zone for a touchdown and the referees ruled it a touchdown.
That call was terrible. His forward progress was stopped, he
was shoved back seven yards, and they didn't If there
wasn't the pass interference, they would have won the game.
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So the referees had to dice through all of this,
and they ruled it. Indeed, he had not hit his
forward progress stopped. He was a lateral and it was
there for a touchdown by golf, but it's negated by
the fact that there was offensive pass interference and the game.
If the game ends on a defensive penalty, you won
an unplayed time down. But if it's an offensive penalty,
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the game simply ends. And from the perspective of the
Packers is very important because it moves the Lions down
another notch in that competition for a playoff spot. There,
Paulsen Malik Willis played incredible for he did. He committed, however,
a terrible fumble and you're right it could have been that. Again.
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I'm not blaming Willis for this, but I do wonder
if Jordan Love had been there, would the Packers not
have sunk in the red zone three field goals by
the pack By the way, mcmaniston's credit for kicking in
those conditions, as this is a bear kicker. But if
the Packers scored just one touchdown in one of the
three times, if they had to kick field goals down
there again again again, they would have won the game.
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It's an aggravating game and it's just made worse by
the fact that it's the Bears, and well, I'm you know,
Paulse's Love may not play this weekend, with Jackson likely
not playing as well if the Packers think they're going
to make the playoffs. The absolute dumbest thing in the
world you can do is try to rush a guy
back from a concussion, because then you get another one.
You also have to be cleared with the concussion. That
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was a bad hit that Love took to the head.
At least I saved the crabbing about this till the
end of the program. Program note for you, for those
of you who don't count by number, by da of
the week, we are going to be doing a podcast
in the Christmas period. It's going to be released as
normal on Wednesday, Christmas Eve, so we will have a
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Christmas Eve podcast. The final podcast of the week, however,
will not be on Thursday, which is Chris to Stay.
We're going to hold that one until Friday, so don't
look for the final one until Friday, and that's we'll
do our football segment as well. Talk to you soon.
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