Mark Belling Podcast #87: Not so fast! The state legislature's push to give away online sports gambling for nothing to the tribes hits a much-needed speed bump. Also, how do you trust the Democrats who've made think so expensive to bring us affordability? And the public defenders throw a hissy fit over the crackdown on reckless driving

Mark dives into the prostituting by state lawmakers to special interests like the tribes, using the online sports betting issue as an example.  Ron DeSantis moves to the right of Trump and Vance by opposing LEGAL immigration, and Marjorie Taylor Greene bucks Trump by darting the left and playing kissy-face with the hosts of The View.

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Speaker 2 (00:26):
I have an issue here that we're going to open
with today that I think is a really good case
study of special interest politics and its power and government.
Stepping back for a second, you know, the Trump campaigns
and so on. We talk about draining the swamp. I

(00:47):
talk about the establishment in Madison, we talk about the
establishment in Washington, and those overall terms are true. It's
an umbrella way of covering all the special interests in
all of the insiders who pretty much proll things without
regard to what's in the best interests of the country or,
in the case of Wisconsin, the state. But that's in
the abstract. We're not talking about any specific examples, so

(01:09):
you can't see how it plays out. I've got one
here going on in Wisconsin that is a big development
today that we're going to dive into and dissect and
help you understand why government will often do things that
benefit a select group of people without doing much for

(01:33):
the entire state. It's a good example to walk through,
and we're going to get to it in just a moment. Here.
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there's a I should always mention because people will listen
to the podcast one minute after it drops or five months.

(02:16):
We're doing this podcast early in the afternoon on Wednesday.
Only moments ago, a big development occurred on the story
that I want to talk about the sponsor and that
the Republican chief sponsor in the State Assembly of a
bill to legalize online sports betting in Wisconsin is announcing

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that there will not be a vote on the bill today.
After all, the bill was scheduled to be voted on
in the State Assembly this afternoon, and again I'm talking
on Wednesday. Now the State Senate has adjourned until next year,
so it would not become law until the Senate acts,
and that wasn't going to happen in order for you know,

(02:58):
HiT's get into basic civics. Order for a bill to
become a law has to pass the state Assembly, has
to pass the state Senate, and has to be signed
intact by the governor. The first step here is passage
in the state Assembly. It was expected to pass the
state Assembly today. In fact, the bill passed through an
Assembly committee unanimously. All the Republicans, that all the Democrats

(03:20):
at a committee voted for it. So why is it
all of a sudden being delayed. Well, I'll tell you
about it, and I'm going to tell you about the issue.
And as they said, I think this is an excellent
case study in how insider ism and access and how
they're tied into campaign contributions really work. First of all,

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I want to make it clear that I am not
opposed to online sports gambling. We now have legalized sports
gambling in Wisconsin for the first time. You have to
go to one of the Native American tribes that offers it,
and you have to do it in person on the premise.
In most other American states, you just do it at

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home on an app. Every state, though, has different laws.
Sports gambling is neither illegal nor illegal in the United States.
It's not prohibited in the United States, but that doesn't
mean a state has to allow it, and thirty nine
states have legalized it in one form or another. Many
states have open competition, and among the big players are DraftKings,

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Fan Duel, numerous others in which people have an app
on their phone or on their laptop or whatever it is,
and they can bet as much as they want. They
deposit money and they bet, and it's tracked, and it's
tax and there's records kept in the whole thing. Wisconsin
has never legalized sports gambling. It dates back to the

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terrible compacts that Jim Doyle cut with the Indian Tribe
LIBS two decades ago. Those compacts said that nobody else
can offer any legal gambling of any sort. The only
legal gambling could beat the state lottery and whatever the
casinos want to do. The casinos, for the longest time

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did not move forward on sports betting in Wisconsin because
it seemingly was outlawed by federal law, except in a
couple of states that changed. Remember the compacts under Doyle,
the only entity that can offer legal gambling is the tribes.

(05:40):
It was a terrible selling out of Wisconsin, terrible, and
it was done in exchange for not much money. The
tribes do not pay many forms of taxation in Wisconsin,
so they're already getting off easily. Secondly, because they're sovereign nations,
they're able to do things that are are unable to do.

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But the FEDS have said that in order to have
the gambling, you do have to cut a deal, make
a contract in other words, with the state in which
you're in and the deal, the Doyle Cut, which did
not require legislative approval, was a total giveaway to the tribes,
and we've seen the result of that for the last
twenty years. Okay, fast forward, and now the tribes want
to do sports gambling, which they have a right to

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do under the compact. But there's nothing in these compacts
that say that you can bet with them on an app.
For instance, if you want to bet at Pottawatabe, you have,
i mean, any bettings you know, slot machines, et cetera.
You have to go to Pottawatabe or Onneia and Green
Bay are the hotchunks of the state. You have to
go there, and the same is true with regard to
sports betting. That's what Doyle's Compact said. Any gambling that

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you do, you have to do in the actual casino
on the tribal lad Well. Sports betting has exploded in
the United States, particularly people who like to bet one
minute before a game starts, or a live bets you know,
during a game, et cetera. Well, it's obviously Potawatamy and
Oneida and Ho Chunk are getting by the way. From

(07:10):
what I can tell, the money being bet on premise
in sports betting is off the charts there. But imagine
what it would be if everybody simply could do it
on an app on their phone, as you can do
in most other states. I would say my guess is
five hundred times more betting. That's my estimate. For one thing.

(07:31):
It's a pain in the ask to go to. You
want to just go down to Potawatamee. That parking garage
gets more I swear every time I'm in it, it gets
more complicated. Some people say it's so simple, I'm apparently
a moron. I mean, I can get in and out
of it, but it's just it just always see it's
the you know the term intuitive, it's counterintuitive. Like the

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garage that's to me intuitive is the Mitchell Airport parking garage.
The way you turn just seems to be the way
that you the way that if they didn't have sime
and say they do to get out, I think that
you find your way out. It just seems like the
way that you get out makes sense. When I'm in
the potawaa garage, it never seems as though the way
that you're supposed to go is the way that you
actually do go. I agree what you clearly, clearly, but

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that's the point. Many people who like to bet on
sports bet every day or the bet nine different times
a day, and so what well, they don't want to
keep going down there to do that. So understandably, Potawatamie,
the Oneidas, and ho Chunk who have the big ones
and really I think the only ones that do sports betting.

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I don't know if there's a couple of there's several
smaller travel casinos around the state. I honestly don't know,
but the three giant operations in Wisconsin are Potawatami and
Milwaukee who Chunk. They have several, but the big one
is near the Dells in Baraboo and then Oneida in
near Green Bay. They want to be able to have
betting via the app A bipartisan group of members of

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the state legislature have proposed to allow them to do this.
When I say bipartisans in the bill has an equal
number of Republican and Democrat sponsors in both the Assembly
and the Senate. The legislation, as proposed, grants these tribes

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a total monopoly. No outside company could come into Wisconsin
and offer sports betting. The big one in the United
States right now is Draft Kings. There's a Zilium a
DraftKings I believe, who handles the most sports bets in
the United States. They would not be allowed to come
into Wisconsin. They currently are in the state with they
have fantasy and so on, but they don't have legal

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sports gambling. Nobody else would be able to come in
and do it. The only entities that would be able
to offer the online sports betting would be the tribes.
So in exchange for this, what are the tribes giving
Wisconsin nothing? The deal is a total giveaway to the tribes.

(10:12):
This is the exact opposite of the art of the deal.
This is the art of the whore. The Pottawatabes want something,
We'll give it to them. The o Knight has won something,
We'll give it to them. The ho Chunk won something,
We'll give it to them. Nothing in return for the
rest of us. Now, why would members of both parties

(10:36):
want to do this. Here's why. The Democrats have been
in bed with the tribes for decades in Wisconsin. That's
why Doyle did the compacts twenty years ago, and for
the remainder of Doyle's term, the Potta Wannabes dumped to
fortune in the Democratic campaigns in Wisconsin. All Right, Walker

(10:58):
came in, got elected Walker and the Republicans figured, if
you can't beat them, join them. And under the Walker
administration there became a cooperative relationship with the tribes, and
the tribes started giving money to Republicans and Democrats. You'll
recall one of the watershed decisions of Scott Walker's governorship,

(11:20):
the worst one. Another tribe wanted to come in and
build a big casino in Wisconsin. The Menominees wanted to
build a casino near Kenosha, partnering with the hard Rock operation.
The hard Rock is owned by the Seminole Tribe of Florida.
Hard Rock is a tribal company, but it's not a
tribe from Wisconsin. But it's a huge national gambling operation

(11:43):
started with the hard Rock restaurants, but the hard Rock
Casinos is a separate ending and it's owned by the Seminoles.
The tribe, particularly the Potawatabes here in Milwaukee, opposed this. Well,
you know why they opposed it. They're the only casino
for miles and miles and miles in southeast Wi. Kind
they didn't want one in Kudosha. It's Scott Walker rolled

(12:03):
over and opposed it. So the tribes they're now giving
money to Republicans and Democrats. Fast forward to now the
tribes give money to Republicans and Democrats. Let's imagine Republicans

(12:23):
decide that they don't want to do this giveaway on
online sports betting. Who are the tribes going to give
all their money to next year in the election cycle,
only the Democrats. The Republicans don't want to have the
Democrats get all the money, so both sides agree to
give the tribes exactly what they want until today where

(12:44):
this thing got knocked off track. Fortunately, now the other
potential gambling companies like DraftKings and so on. If they
go and roll over and they do this deal, there's
no way in which anybody else can ever come in.
So Draft Kids just goes away and they have no
interest in Wisconsin, so there's no campaign money on the

(13:07):
other side. There are a number of industries and a
number of issues in which this plays out. I've talked,
for example, about the roadbuilders and their cloud in Wisconsin.
There's no real lobbying group that opposes what the road
builders want. There's just the road buildings, and they dump
their money. On many issues, there's people on this side
who want something and people on that side, and usually

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they both have big money, special interest money and so
on that they can lobby on both sides. Good one
has the trial lawyers and the insurance companies. They're generally
on opposite sides. You support the insurance companies, you get
big money from support the trial layers, you get pig
money from them. But in this issue, all the money
is on the side of the tribes. And members of

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the legislature, who therefore do what the tribes want, are
simply and I'm using the term horry, just people don't
like the fact that I use this term, it's correct.
You don't have to war does not require the act
of sex. Maybe it does, but for my purposes, it doesn't,
because it means the selling yourself out to somebody else

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for money. If they just did sec, if they went
out and they had sex with the tribes, that it'd
be fine with me. What do I care about that
they're selling the state out? Now? Again, I'm not opposed
to online sports betting. If it's going to be done, however,
it should be done in a way that's of the
best interests of the people of Wisconsin. This isn't among

(14:38):
the things that you can do. You go to the
tribes and say this is I'm just giving you numerous
things you could do. You go to the tribes and say, okay,
you want sports betting, here's what we want. We want
you to make a much larger payment to the state.
Right now, the state gets a percentage of the amount

(14:59):
of mone money that's gambled at the casinos. This is
in lieu of taxation. You create a higher percentage for
the sports betting. Given how much money is involved in
the sports betting. This could be used for tax relief
in Wisconsin. And so on. It's one thing you can do, Okay,
you want this, give us more money since we're granting

(15:21):
you a monopoly. The other thing you could do is
you tell the Potawatamies, in particular, you drop your opposition
to Kenosha so we can get the hard Rock proposal
finally building Kenosha. You want your sports betting thing, well,
then hard Rock gets to come into the state and
build their casino and you pot of Watamies are going
to shut up with your opposition to that. Something you

(15:43):
could do again. I'm not saying if to do any
of these things. I'm just saying some of the things
you would throw out there if you were negotiating rather
than whurring out. Here's another thing you could do. Say, okay,
you continue to have your monopolies on the casinos. Nobody
else with the tribes can run casinos. But the sports betting,
if you want it, you have to agree to allow

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anybody else to come in. So potawatam Is you can
have your sports betting is. You can have your sports betting.
But DraftKings and Fan Duel and Caesars and all the
others they do it across the country. They get to
come into that to me, would be the best way
of doing it. If you're gonna allow sports betting, you
do it with competition so the consumer can choose who

(16:26):
it is that they want to do this with. Remember
that the tribes do not pay income taxes, private companies do.
Some people don't want this at all. They think that
betting on sports is bad. My retort to that, and

(16:49):
there are negative nonsides to betting on sports. I bet
on sports. I'm not gonna deny that. You can now
do it legally in Wisconsin. Good on a potawatamy and
do it. The fact of the matter is the genies
out of the bottle. They're betting on sports in thirty
nine states. Whether Wisconsin allows it or not, lows it
isn't going to do anything to clean up the problem
with regardding to things that are happening with people fixing
games and so on. Secondly, if you don't allow legal

(17:12):
sports betting, people will do what they've been doing forever,
which is bet illegally. You either find a bookie they're
still around, or you bet with one of these illegal
offshore companies, which many people do, in which nobody gets
any revenue and they'll still exist for that purpose. When
you bet illegally with a company that's not in the
United States. They're not sending any text, statement to the

(17:35):
government or anything like that. But I don't see a
particular reason that you not have this. I'm saying that
if you do it, you shouldn't give these three tribes
the exclusive control of it. Next, there's a big dirty
secret here that nobody ever wants to talk about, and

(17:55):
that is Native American tribes do not work together and
they do not consider themselves to be of the same.
I don't know if race is the right term, but
one tribe doesn't give a crap about another tribe. There
are numerous tribes in Wisconsin that do not have a
casino in Milwaukee Dells or Green Bay. You go up

(18:16):
north and there's some of these really small casinos, and
some of the smaller tribes there's I think the loc
de Flombo have one or this or that or the
other thing. They are not in the primo locations. Those
tribes are often destitute. The tribes they don't have casinos
here in the big cities, they're still really, really poor.
The members of the Pottawatamie tribe which is a small
tribe from Forrest County. They're wealthy. It's a small tribe,

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and they've got the casino and the biggest market of
the state, Milwaukee, and they don't do a dog well,
they don't do much of anything for any of the
impoverished tribes. They're in it for themselves, and okay, they
should be in it for themselves, but the legislature of
Wisconsin is supposed to be in it for everybody, not
just these three select tribes that are making so much

(19:02):
money off of these casinos that they're able to bank
raw politicians. So why did this thing get delayed. It
didn't get delayed because of any good government types. And
it didn't get delayed because the media was blowing a
whistle on the total hoaring out of the state of
Wisconsin to these three tribes. It got derailed because talk

(19:24):
radio hosts started complaining about it. When this, by the way,
this proposal is been do talk about fast track. This
was introduced October twenty ninth. Today when we're doing the
podcast is November the nineteenth, three weeks when the proposal
came out. I criticized it on my program on my
podcast here. Since then, I don't know if all the

(19:47):
talk show hosts in wys and have objected to it,
but I know that Dan and VICKI talked about it
a lot. If Jay and Ben and some of the
others also did. I can't keep track of everything, but
I know that it's been a big stink was made
by Vicky mcketta and Dan o'noddo. And then yesterday I waited.

(20:09):
I didn't have a podcast yesterday, so I wighed out
on X formerly known as Twitter, and I did a
series of points that I can keep them in rather
than do a long thread, which you can do on X.
I don't think those work on X. I think when
you do a shorter thing, people are likely to read
it than five shorter bullet points are likely to be
read than one long thing in which I laid out

(20:30):
exactly what was going on here. Between then and this morning,
something happened. Tyler August, the Assembly sponsor of the bill, said, well,
we've had concerns raised by members. In other words, some
of the Republicans that were prepared to blindly go along
and vote for this puke of a bill started questionting,

(20:51):
and in part because they were hearing from constituents who
had been made aware of what was going on because
of some wis and talk show hosts. And for me,
other than us, there's no And you could say we're
a special interest. What we are is a group that
can at least inform the public. As for the Democrats,

(21:20):
they're totally horrid out of this, totally and they have
been as long as you know, ever since Doyle did this.
And even the radical progressively you know, the socialists at
all in this, they're fine with it too. The only
entity that is trying to raise some opposition to get
a at least, in my opinion, better bill. I don't
think we need to kill the bill, a better bill,

(21:41):
have competition, Let everybody come in and do it, or
at the very least green light the hard rock so
that they can come in big operation, or make the
tribes kick in a much higher payment to the state
of Wisconsin in exchange for being able to have this
monopoly status. There's any number of things that you could
do rather than give it away to them. So the

(22:08):
good news here is some public pressure coming exclusively from
the right, has slowed this thing down for at least
a couple of months. The instructive thing though, is that
if talk radio hosts and podcasters like me have not
brought this up, it would have sailed through the Assembly.

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As for the Republican lawmakers that are doing it, and
if Tyler August was sitting here, I'd say, Tyler, I
understand why the Oneidas and the ho chunks of the
potawanavies want it. Hundreds of millions of dollars are going
to be belt with them, and they make a profit
off of that. I actually had somebody recently asked me

(22:51):
how they make money on sports betting. Well, the answer
is there is a excess charge and a losing bet.
The house doesn't make any money on a winning bet.
As an example, one ten is the common number. If
you bet a team on the point spread, you bet
one hundred and ten to win one hundred. So if

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you win your bet, you get two hundred and ten
back your original one hundred ten plus the one hundred
you win. But if you lose one hundred and ten.
For some of these proposition bets, the spread is even greater.
It's the same as any other casino game. You just
build in a house edge into the bed. It's a
grind way of making money, but the grind is monstrous

(23:34):
given the amount that's bet. So I would say, Tyler,
I understand why the pottos in United isn't the ho
junks want this? Why would anybody in Wisconsin want it? Now?
The answer partly would be what people who want to
bet would now be able to bet online. That's true,
and as I say, I'm not opposed to that part

(23:56):
of it. But why are you giving this monopoly to
the tribes that already have a monopoly at all casino gambling,
and why are you giving them a monopoly on online
sports betting? Why is that in the leaders of Wisconsin.
I don't know what Tyler would say, Why don't you
tell them? At least Okay, if we want to get
you're gonna We're gonna give you this. You know, read

(24:16):
the art of the deal. Then we want ABCD do
what Trump will do, ask for the entire alphabet and
then cave and get half the alphabet. That's what a
deal is. But again, it's like when the teachers' unions
used to negotiate with lefty school boards on pay raiss.
Both sides were trying to get the pay rais. Nobody
was looking out for the taxpayer as usual. So this

(24:39):
thing will be delayed at least a couple of months.
The legislature comes back next year, and as I say,
I am open to supporting an online sports betting bill
that is better than this putrid giveaway to the tribes.
By the way the sponsors of the bill, I'll show
you how bipartisan this is, and bipartisan means so often

(25:00):
will see this in a couple of other industries in
which the special interest is smart enough that it doesn't
just give money to Republicans that it doesn't money to Democrats.
It gives money to anybody that will do their bidding
in the Assembly. Some of people will know these names,
but it's half Democrats and half Republicans. August that's Republican Heywood.
That's Kaelon Heywood Junior, the son of Keilon Heywood Senior.

(25:22):
He's the developer that has been amenmeshed in controversy for
a long long time. His son is in the legislature.
What a surprise. Like father, like Sun Dolman, Anderson, Banky, Green, Gustavsen, Kurtz,
mrsa On Novak, Penerman, Prado, Siniki Stubbs, Witky and Stroud

(25:45):
half Republicans, half Democrats, and the Senate the sponsors are
Mark Line, He's Republican, das the Ipheim Democrat, Fean, Republican, Spreutzer,
I think Democrat testing Republican, and so on. So everybody
gets the their beekqut on this thing. But as I say,
something happened in which the Republicans control the Assembly, so

(26:05):
they determine whether or not a bill can be called
for a voter or not. Something happened in which Tyler
August either didn't have support to get the bill passed
or he heard from enough members of the Assembly who
at least want to improve this bill. And I suspect
it's because the only voices that are representing the whole
remaining five million people of the state either do a
talk radio or do a podcast. You can take this

(26:31):
example that we used on this and compare it to
any number of other issues that are out there. There
was another bill that was considered several months ago that
is also so far not passed. It was the bill
that would give the Wisconsin Utilities a monopoly to build
all the power lines in the state. And building power
lines is unbelievably lucrative, and with AI coming in, there

(26:52):
are going to be a lot more power lines and
so on. In that instance, though, there was an opposition.
All the companies that aren't Wisconsin Utilities opposed the bill.
I opposed the bill. I don't like them. In some instances,
you have to have a monopoly. It's not practical for
a thing not to be a monopoly. Electricity is an
example of that. We still require electricity to be delivered

(27:16):
by power line. Well, you can't have ninety million different
companies with power lines that are in there. There's really
no way around it. Initially cable television was like that
when the cable had to come in via a wire.
But once satellite distribution came in and now Wi Fi
where anybody can get it, you don't need a monopoly anymore.
But obviously, in some instances monopolies are necessary. By and large,

(27:43):
they're bad. Competition in the free market is good. The
people who like monopolies are Marxists, which is why I
suspect that the Democrats have been in on this in
the beginning. But the biggest reason that they've been on
is they you sold themselves out in exchange for campaign money.
Doyle was the primary was the first whore with regard
to hoaring out to the tribes, and now just about

(28:05):
everybody else is hoaring out as well. But obviously we've
managed to stop this. I'm the anti horror here. Dan
and Vicki were involved in this as well. I'm on
the non horring side of this. Let me move on
to another story. This is another interesting story that's going on.

(28:26):
It's been behind the scenes and it's now percolating to
the front of the scenes. As you may know, there's
been a group that's formed here in southeastern Wisconsin to
oppose reckless driving. The reckless driving is not the reckless
driving that we're used to of you know, somebody, we
you know, et cetera. It's the people that are driving
in the city of Milwaukee and so one going ninety

(28:48):
five miles an hour in city streets, blowing through stop
signs at all of that. Well, a coal ash it
has been formed that is opposed to it, and one
of the things that it's been wanting to do is
encourage prosecutors to actually follow through on criminal charges rather
than have these things reduced to citations. The group is

(29:12):
called Enough is Enough, and they're pressing, in particular, the
Milwaukee County District Attorney's office to be more aggressive in
the handling of these cases. Guess who doesn't like this?
Who wouldn't like that? Why are you idiot? God? This
is the simplest question I'm going to ask. Who wouldn't

(29:35):
like cracking down on people that are driving recklessly? Reckless drivers?
An there's no association of reckless drivers out there, so
who would speak in their behalf? The State Public Defenders Association,
the State Office of Public Defender in the state of Wisconsin,
is objecting to communication that's gone on with the Milwaukee
County DA's office and this group. Enough is enough and

(29:59):
their suggest that this is inappropriate that the DA's office
is listening to this group. First of all, this is insane.
There's nothing wrong with the DA listen to anybody. The
DA listens to adversy group advocacy, people that are against
child abuse, people that are against domestic violence, people that
are against drug abuse, and there's groups that deal with

(30:22):
all sorts of things, and they communicate with prosecutors' offices
all over the country all the time. It doesn't mean
that the prosecutor is going to do what they want.
In each of these instances, mothers against drunk driving, for example,
they demand the tougher drunk driving laws. The prosecutors have
talked to those people all the time, and in many
big counties in the United States they talk to the
lefties all the time as well. The alternatives to incarceration cash,

(30:44):
no cash, bail, etc. Well, the public defenders don't like
the nocean that we might actually cracked out of people
doing is so they are objecting to the DA's office
even meeting with this group. Bob Donovan, Republican member of
the State Assembly, a portion of is this that concludes
the city of Milwaukee. He's outing them on this in
blasting the public defenders for objecting to this group having

(31:05):
communication with the District Attorney's office. I think what needs
to happen here is the public defenders need to understand
their role. The role of the public defender is to
represent at prial. It is not to advocate for the
rights of people to be able to break the law
before they're arrested. I acknowledge somebody's arrested for murder, they

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have a right to a lawyer. Supreme Courts made a
clar you have a right to a lawyer, and if
you're an idiot, you have a right to be your
own lawyer. Like Daryl Brooks. If I was ever accused
of something, you think i'd make You think I'd make
a good lawyer. If I represented myself, think I would.
They always say a man who represents himself as a
fool for a client, that's an old, old sing well

(31:56):
isn't a good One of the reasons it's not a
good idea is see, I'll give you the one reason
it is a good idea. You cannot compel someone to
testify in their own defense, but if you represent yourself
you can. Kind of that's a Brooks who was stupid.
If Brooks wasn't he was trying to get his defense
in without having to testify, because when you're testify you
can be cross examined. So he was trying to by

(32:20):
the he was stupid and didn't know how to do
it anyway. The public defenders are objecting to people that
are advocating to not have reckless driving. That's not their role.
Their role is when somebody is arrested for reckless driving,
once they get into the legal system, to represent them,
but not to in advance a Poe is cracking down

(32:44):
on this. That's not a criminal defendant. That's talking about
the approach that we have to the laws in our society.
Semi related, it's more than semi related. Here's an interesting
We have high speed chases all the time, I mean
all the time. This one occurred a few days ago

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in West Alice. It's worth diving into. By the way,
the uh you could always tell when something is done
by AI. Fox six uses AI to do the summaries
of their news stories, and then usually reporter writes the
story that they post online, but the summary as comes

(33:28):
from AI. You know, I could tell that this is
done by AI. You know how they spell West Alice.
First of all, wes is we s t This is
how they spell Alice Alice. Now I'm guessing there's no
actual reporter at Fox six. That's that stupid right. No,
in fact, in the actual story they spell it correctly.

(33:48):
This is the summary that you find online that's generated
by AI. Post is he hates A. I will say
this when I Google something and AI AI, they'll get
it's unbelievable, how good it is. It's better usually than
they bring it. Now again, everything at Google is has
always been AI. There's not like somebody, Okay, I want
to know something about who won the soccer games in

(34:09):
France today. It's not like some guy did that. It's
always been a computer model and so on. Anyway, West
Alice Police we're involved in a high speed chase for
the guy who has later been learned to be a
fedadol dealer. Here's how the story came about. The authorities

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responded to on November thirteenth. Now again we're doing the
podcast in the nineties. This is on Thursday of last
week to a home. You're seventy fourth and Walker in
West Alice. There was an od death. Thirty year old guy.
Excuse me, forty year old guy died of an overdose.
It was fetanol. Sadly, this happens all the time. It

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looks like it's down somewhat this year, which is good. Anyway,
they found a woman on the and they also they
found scales and all of the other stuff. The investigators
questioned the woman, who was a longtime girlfriend, and she
gave up the name of the dealer. Pretty good casework.

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You certainly can prosecute the person who gives somebody if
you know two people are doing fetanyl. The person who's
doing it with you can be criminally charged, and you've
got that leverage on them, and it can often be
in their interest to give up the dealer, because I
think the authorities would rather get the dealer than give
the person who simply was doing the fed at all.
With the person who overdosed. She gives up the dealer,

(35:48):
so the authorities go to sit on his home. His
name is Duquean. Walton police, through their undercover operation, arranged

(36:09):
a controlled buy. A controlled buy is essentially a sting.
All right, we know somebody's a drug dealer. We need
somebody to pose as the person who's going to buy
the drugs. They did this at thirty ninth in National
Walton showed up, he spotted what was going on, and fled.

(36:33):
Chase ensues. It's apparently a seven minute chase and seven
minutes going high speeds on city streets. That's actually longer
than you think. Very very dangerous according to the authorities.
They could see him and you'd say, why would you
run here? See, Paul's stupid when it comes to things
like this. You have a cop in your family, though,
I think that this should make you smarter. Why would

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somebody who's showing up for a fenenol's thing run there
you go, they have fentanyl with them, So what do
they do when they're running? Throw it out the window.
Watch any of these videos, they've thrown it out the wind,
throw it out the window. Of course, this is where
it's so great that there's dash cams on now almost
every squad car, so they see him throwing the stuff
out the window, throwing the stuff out the window. When

(37:15):
they finally pull him over, he admits they're doing all
the driving and all of this stuff, et cetera. But no,
I never had any drugs because he was throwing it
out the window. They said cash bond at fifteen thousand dollars.
I don't think that's enough. I don't know. He was

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only charged yesterday. I don't know if he's posted it
and he's out or not. Again. Much of the reckless
driving is this, So when you'd have an advocacy group,
they're gonna come in and say, okay, in addition to
the fact that the guy you're pretty much having dead
to right stealing fentandyl, don't just dismiss the reckless driving

(37:58):
part of this. Onto the sentence when you convict him,
or let's imagine you can't make the drug case sticks
somehow the woman who said he's our dealer, she doesn't
cooperate anymore. And I'm not saying this will happen or
they can't prove that he need to have the FEN
at all. Well, you have the reckless driving, you have
the fact that he ran off of this. Give him

(38:20):
five years in prison for that. That's what these people
have been urging be done. And there's nothing wrong with
them talking to the da in the same way that
if the da IS can't love her, now gets on
the phone and I want to talk to him and say,
can I think we ought to crack down this? I
haven't that right as a citizen as well public image,
you shouldn't be able to do that. The only time
lefties think you shouldn't be able to lobby the government

(38:41):
is when you lobby from the perspective of a conservative.
They think any kind of pressure illegal, burn things down,
attack people. Lefties can do anything, and TIFA, the Marxists,
they can do any of the palest anything they want.
Anybody on the conservative side, ever, even like speaks out
or your turning put form a few chapters. You need
to be killed. Aren't you learning things by listening to me?

(39:07):
Very instructive program here so far today? See, I could
never be allowed to teach like this. The kids could come,
Oh we have a teacher. He's a raving maniac. He's
this old man yelling and screaming at us, and they
becoming he's yelling, he's making them uncomfortable. My little kid
had his cell phone here when he took a hammer
and smashed the thing. Oh would I wouldn't it be
great if you could like go be a teacher, just

(39:29):
to be like a dink teacher for like two days,
smash all the cell phones in you know, if some
kid is acting up and beating up, being a bully
to another kid, being able to crack the kid and
all the things that you can't do or be a teacher.
And you see a lefty teacher sitting in the faculty
loud and loud. You just by mistakes or to spill

(39:50):
your coffee all over the left en right, Yeah, yeah,
wear the meg of cap in the class while you're
teaching again. Then I gotta let you do it by
be able to do it. As long as you did it,
it's clearly time to take a break on the Mark
Belling podcast. This is the Mark Belling Podcast. All right,

(40:12):
this whole issue now of affordability. First of all, the
lefties had no concern about affordability at all when Joe
Biden was making everything unaffordable. But it's now the thing
that they're running on. See. Trump's had all these successes
in all of these different areas, so they need to
change the subject, and affordability is becoming the platform that

(40:33):
they are suddenly running on. Fair enough, affordability is an
issue in America. The question that we have to ask
is how did things become so unaffordable, particularly in the
big cities where the cost of living is extreme. Very
good column on this issue by William mcgirrin and The
Wall Street Journal. I'd summarize this point, but he opens

(40:58):
the column pretty good and it's a summary in and
of itself, so I'll share it. He writes in his
nineteen sixty eight book The Joys of Yiddish, I got
to admit I've never read that Joys of Yiddish. Yiddish
is like, it's like an language that Jewish people speak,
but it's not an official language, you know, Yiddish. The

(41:19):
joys of Yiddish. Leo Rastin defines hutzba this way, so
you know, hutsma is an example of Yiddich. Hutzpa is
like gaul, but gall and like a gallin, like a
more brazen type of gall and a sort of humorous
gall in. Fact, so much gall that it's over the top,
that you kind of make a farce of yourself. That's hutzba,

(41:40):
This defiance hutzba. That quality enshrined in a man who,
having killed his mother and father, throws himself on the
mercy of the court because he's an orphan, saying's been
out there a long time, probably because this guy came
up with that of the book. Judge, you can't do
anything to me for killing my mother and father, after all,
I'm an orphan. Say you get it the answer mcgern

(42:02):
is going with regard to the Democrats, saying, let us
take care of affordability. Today in Washington we have a
new example. It comes in the form of Democrats who
have spent years making life more expensive for Americans and
who have now proposed fixes that reflect the same government
first thinking that made things unaffordable in the first place.

(42:24):
Does anyone really believe that the answer to what ails
us is more government spending or yet another government program.
Let me interjeck. In fact, the people that are biting
on this think yes. The people that are embracing socialism
and want the government to give them all of these
things somehow think that's the answer, even though this is
what's created the problem. Now, rather than going to the

(42:47):
entire column, I'll give you my example. You let ten
million illegal immigrants to come into the country, what do
you think is going to happen in regard to affordability?
Look at the pressure on housing, the pressure on food,
and the pressure this more or demand without any type
of increase in supply just one example. You can come

(43:10):
up with numerous other examples of how government mandating red
tape and regulations and so on drives up the price
or the cost of offering a product or a service
because you've got to hire all of the people to
do all of the Another one would be DEI. You're
hiring all of these people that do DEI that has
nothing to do with actually providing the service. The company

(43:32):
that makes the canop pies is all these DEI people
in there. Well, they have to pay all of them.
That means the peas will cost more. Numerous examples of
this property taxes. Why is rent so high? Well, one
of the reasons red has to be high is because
the landlords have to pay obscenely high property taxes. You're

(43:53):
getting you're in the rental business to make money, so
you have to charge more for rent than all of
your costs are. So when you put in a free
trolley and the city has to subsidize it, the property
taxes go up, and that makes the cost of the
rent go up. The point that mcgerrn is making here
is that the Marxists who think that they can propose

(44:15):
the answer to affordability by making things free and having
government give them away, ignore the fact that that simply
raises all of the costs, and you can't make things
free to get your what they need to summarize this
into a pithy statement, Well, the Margaret Thatcher statement, which
I could earlier the week of the podcast still holds.

(44:37):
Socialism works until you run out of other people's money.
And that's the problem. All these things that are free,
somebody else is still paying for and you haven't done
anything to actually make it cheaper. You're just forcing the
price to go up on everything else in order to
make this one thing over here free. But everything can't

(44:57):
be free. Somebody has to make it, somebody has to
provide it, and somebody has to pay for it. And
to the extent that you keep making them pay more
and more and more, they'll stop doing it. The problem
with any argument against welfare, socialism, Marxism, and I've explained

(45:19):
this many years, it's the whole bumper sticker mentality of
the left. In order to argue against socialism and Marxism,
you have to explain why it doesn't work. But turn
around and simply say rent should be free without defending it.
Put it on the bumper stick rum. I'm not he
saying we're gonna make rent free, We're gonna make this free. Well,

(45:41):
people are going to vote for that unless they realize
that it not only isn't going to work, it's gonna
make everything worse. But that's where the explanation comes in.
This is why the left increasingly feels the need to
murder those of us on the right, because those of
us on the right, like Charlie Kirk, we're explaining why
this stuff doesn't work, or where they scream and shout down,
or they claim you don't have a right to exist,

(46:01):
you don't have a right to be here, you don't
have a right to say that. Those of us on
the right have the power of reasoning and persuasion. What
the people on the left have is demagogery and a
lust for power. Because they can't win any of these arguments,
they're now resorting to killing those who make them. The

(46:22):
whole illegal immigration question is a perfect example of this.
We're going to move to that point in a moment
here and also focus on and I'm a champion, I'm
a fan of legal immigration, but some of the legal
immigration that we have in the United States is mimicking
that of Europe, which has been a disaster. I'm gonna

(46:43):
explain why before we get to that. In fact, let's
do it now. Run de Santus is term limited. He's
going to he can't run for another term as governor Florida,
so it'll be out of a job as of January
of twenty seven. He's obviously on the outs with Trump,

(47:05):
but he's starting to raise an issue in some speeches
that I think are going to resonate with a lot
of Republicans he seems to me to be running to
the right of trump advance on immigration. Now, the lefties
out there can't believe that that's possible because they can't
stand ice that can't stand that you're throwing anybody out

(47:26):
of the country. Desantus is targeting not only illegal immigration,
but legal immigration. Now, I think the issue of legal
immigration is much more complicated than that. I generally support
legal immigration, but this resettlement of refugees that's going on,

(47:49):
which is legal immigration, is problematic. I'm going to read,
first of all, what DeSantis is saying about this quote.
Illegal immigration is bad. Legal immigration, no matter what is good.
Wait a minute, bringing ten million people from Somalia and

(48:13):
dumping them into Georgia is good just because it's legal.
I think we have to think critically about what we're
doing with immigration policy. Is it benefiting the American people?
Is it helping to promote a strong American culture. We
should never bring people into this country who hate America.

(48:37):
Don't do what Europe did. Your pursued mass migration. It
was legal, it was intentional, and it's turned out to
be disastrous. Now I'm going to get into the implications
of Dissanta's raising this issue in a moment, but first
I want to deal with it on the substance some

(48:58):
of the resettlement of migrants, whether they be Somali, some
other parts of Africa, Muslims in the Middle East, all
of the programs that have been going on in Europe
and to a lesser extent but still widespread here in
the United States. It is different than the type of
legal immigration that we've had from the beginning of our

(49:20):
country and before the beginning of our country. Other than
the Native Americans we call American Indians, everybody is a migrant.
But throughout the course of our history, those people who
migrated here came here because they wanted to be Americans.

(49:40):
The immigrants who came to the United States from France
and Germany and Italy named the countries throughout time, we're
coming here because they wanted to be Americans, and they
loved what America represented. They wanted to be part of

(50:02):
the culture and the rules and the lifestyle that we
have here. What has happened with illegal immigration and with
resettlement of migrants is you have people that are coming
here who hate the United States and what it stands
for and want to change it. This is the thing

(50:24):
that's tearing apart Europe where there's been you know, Europe
has had this general culture of openness, do what you
want and so on, and Muslims come in who believe
in Shariah law and are very very intolerant, and now
many of the people in Europe say, we don't recognize

(50:45):
our countries anymore. There are people are setting to Irving, Texas.
It's a suburb of Dallas. It has a massive Muslim population.
They have two Shariah law courts there. They're not official,

(51:06):
they're not part of our government, but Muslims are enforcing
Sharia law against fellow Muslims in Irving, Texas. Shariah law
can include shopping hands, any number of things. You saw
with the illegal immigrants. They were coming to the United
States and burn the American flag. Again, very very unusual. Okay,

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I hate America, Well then why the hell are you
coming here? Imagine if you're going on vacation, I hate
Las Vegas. Well, then why do you come to Las Vegas?
Presumably you wouldn't go to a place that you hate.
What we're seeing with mass settlement of people that are
coming here just because they were starving to death in

(51:47):
the country that they were in. They weren't rejecting the
toxic values from those nations that they want to take
those values and displace the values that have been in
existence here. And then they expect everybody in America who's
believed American values forever and ever and ever that we've
been part of, we have to give up our values
and instead accept the values of the people that are
coming in here. And de sad Is his point is

(52:11):
is that if you're not coming here because you want
to be American and want to support what we stand for,
you're probably not going to assimilate. Well. In fact, there's
been a desire almost to not assimilate most of the
ethnic groups that have come to the United States legally assimilated.
For example, Italians. Italian Americans are very very proud of
their Italian heritage, but they're Italian Americans. They're very very

(52:36):
patriotic German Americans the same thing almost every other group
that you mentioned. Their ethnicity is something in which they
still respect their culture, the lifestyle, the cuisine, hang around
palorand together and so on. But they're here to be
Americans and they believe in what America has represented. Much

(52:59):
of The problem, in my opinion, with some of the
migrants that are coming into this country is that they
are members of the most intolerant religion on the planet,
which is Islam. Some Muslims are somewhat tolerant, but the
majority of them are intolerant. And then there's the number
of people that are not only intolerant that they believe
in jahad. They believe that if you're not a Muslim,

(53:21):
you should die well. Inviting them to come in legally,
it seems to me is not particularly smart. And you've
seen YOUU have suffer over this. Anyway, let me get
out of the political part of the equation in this.
Dsanas is suddenly on this piece here that appeared in

(53:48):
the American Conservative. They're suggesting that Disantas is planning to
run for president in twenty eight and run against Vance.
Most people believe, and again we're about a year away
from this developing. Most people believe that Dvance and Rubio
will run as a ticket. The Advance and Rubio know

(54:10):
that running against one another is mutually assured destruction, and
the Advance and Rubio will cut a deal in which Van,
since he's the vice president, runs first. He runs as
the president, Rubio runs is the vice president. Whether that
happens or not, we don't know. But the suggestion in
this piece in The American Conservative is that DeSantis will

(54:34):
oppose Vance and try to run to the right a
Dvance and Rubio, particularly an immigration. You talk about a country.
We've got riots going on in big cities who think
that Trump is too anti immigrant. And if DeSantis does
indeed run and claim that Trump is soft on this

(54:54):
issue and therefore Vance is soft on the issue, I
think that there would be many Republicans, though, that would
agree with the status on that issue. Let me share
a few paragraphs on the piece of the American Conservative.
Desatus will have to play this delicate game of distinguish him, saying, reading, well,

(55:16):
let me set it up this way. What killed Dessatus
when he ran in twenty four He was running against Trump,
and Trump was victimized, run out of office, targeted, and
most Republicans therefore wanted to support Trump but for no
other reason to get back at what the left had

(55:37):
done to him. So Santas was in no man's then.
Even if people like Dessatus he's running against Trump. Well,
the one thing about Trump is he can't run for reelection.
You know, listen to this bag, and he's not gonna
She's not gonna try to run for another term. So
the point that the author is making here that we'll
get back to is Dusantus has to run against Vance
without running against Trump. DeSantis will have to play the

(56:04):
delicate game of distinguishing himself from the President's assumed air
while also supporting the president. He will have to convince
voters that it's not Desantus versus Trump, which killed him
in the last election, but de Santus versus Vance. It's
clear that Dessantus wants to establish himself as the staunchest

(56:24):
immigration hawk among leading Republicans. It's no longer enough to
condemn illegal immigration. To make a Republican stand out, he
has to call for restricting legal immigration as well. Dessantus
makes his mark in this regard. Dessantus has decided to
lead the charge against H one B visas. Trump recently

(56:46):
fumbled on this issue in his disastrous Fox News interview
with Laura Ingram, where he appeared to be and to
endorse the widely criticized visa. But it's with legal immigration
that Dessantas wants to distinguish himself bands. Depending on what
the administration does, Dessantus could exploit discontent with the administration

(57:08):
not going far enough. Now, let me interject this piece
here for the American conservative, this is the kind of
stuff that goes on to the rate that the mainstream
media never covers. Their entire immigration narrative. Is Ice and
Trump bad, all these illegal immigrants good. In fact, here
in the right there is a huge group of segment

(57:30):
of the population who thinks we're not going far enough,
we're not throwing cut people out of the country fast enough,
and that there's way too much legal immigration, there's way
too many foreign students going to American colleges. They don't
support the hvvvsas and so on. Without regard to your
position on this, there's no coverage of this. The guy
who realizes, however, that there were kens of millions of
Americans who think that we need to be even more

(57:51):
strong on immigration maybe looking for a political champion, and
this could create the opening for Dusanas again, whether you
agree with it or not, back to the peace. Dusanis
is changing tax for twenty twenty eight by adopting anti
tech populism. He now rails against the industries alleged transhumanism

(58:15):
and wants AI heavily regulated. He warns about the apparent
danger of data centers and how they will upset the
state's power grid. DeSantis is one of the leaders of
the crusade against property taxes. Even with a new agenda,
the governor will still lack charisma and be with the
same awkward guy interacting with the crowds. So that's a

(58:36):
piece from The American Conservative assessing Santis's chances of pulling
this off, and the piece acknowledges that Dsantas may indeed
have an opening by running believe it or not, to
the right advance and therefore Trump. But there's still the
issues of you know, DeSantis was awkward when he was

(58:57):
on the campaign trail. It didn't come for us as
smoothly as his interactions when he ran for governor of Florida.
Which brings us, of course, now to an update on
the fascinating story of Marjorie Taylor Greed. Nown't we discussed
this and I think it was the last podcast. There's

(59:19):
more to it. No, we are awaiting the release the
massive dump of all of the Epstein files, which is
going to be an absolute mess. Files are evidence and
interviews and all of this stuff, and people are going
to see somebody's I'm mean, imagine if the cops are this,
never mind something as massive as Epstein cops are in
you know, investigating a murder. Well they have ninety two

(59:40):
suspects before talking to this, that and the other thing,
their names in here and so on. If you throw
all of that evidence out there doesn't mean any of
those people did anything wrong. And the left gars are
gonna look for anybody's name in here that's on the
right and say, well, your name is in here. They
could be somebody actually cooperating and helping to rat out
his lamb's in here anyway. Marjorie Taylor Green, who of

(01:00:03):
probably all the members of Congress, is I think the
most mega of them, and Prump started mega this total
falling out that they've had. There's a massive piece in
the Wall Street Journal today on what's Marjorie Taylor Green
up to. Now. I believe I know everybody has ambition,

(01:00:27):
and everybody in politics is virtually everybody in politics has
a massive ego. I'm going to say something that sounds
like an insult. But I'll explain it because it isn't
really what it's saying. Marjorie Taylor Green doesn't know her place.
Let me explain. What's the thing about. Is that the

(01:00:51):
Peter principle everybody rises to their own level of incompetence
or is that a different principle, whatever, what it is.
Marjorie Taylor Green will never win a statewide election in Georgia.
She's perfect for her congressional district because she's a Rome Georgia.
She represents a very conservative area. But in Georgia, which

(01:01:15):
is a swing state, she's toxic among moderates. All of
these people on the left who have been making fun
of her forever. Well, there's a whole lot of people
that kind of swing back and forth in the middle
who make fun of her as well, which means that
she's been an outstanding force in Congress to keep pushing
from the right and firing back at say, at AOC.

(01:01:37):
But because of her style, which drives several people crazy.
You know, she's at the state of the lefties are yelling,
and she's yelling right back. She's wearing a red light
and blue clothes and all of this stuff. There's a
limit though, as to how far she's going to go.
And I think at the stead of Marjorie Taylor I
don't want to just go this far again she's in politics.
Does Marjorie Taylor Green want to be a member of

(01:01:57):
Congress forever? No one of them do, well, I mean
there are some. I mean Gwen Wore realizes that this
is the luckiest thing of the world that ever happened,
where you don't see her trying to run for any
anything else. She's going to sit in Congress and not
do a damn thing because she gets to be a
congress And Tammy bald is another example of that. But
marger Taylor Gray thinks that she should say somebody so
she's poked or knows about running for the United States Senate,

(01:02:22):
and Trump said, I'm not going to back you for that.
You're not going to win. Trump wants every Congression. Trump
realizes that if in his in the next two years
starting in twenty seven, he doesn't have the Congress, he's
blocked on everything. He desperately wants to keep a house
in the Senate, and he doesn't want candidates running who
are going to lose the seat. See the thing about

(01:02:44):
Trump that nobody ever gives him credit for. Is he
learns many of the candidates that Trump backed for statewide
office in eighteen, twenty and twenty two they lost Arizona,
a number of states. There are these mega candidates that

(01:03:05):
some even argue doctor Oz in Pennsylvania, these mega candidates
that we were, you know, pro Trump, but they weren't
good enough candidates to win a statewide election. I think
Trump now realizes he's got a back candidates who were
actually going to win rather than go down and lose
a forty two percent of the vote. So he said
that you're Marjorie Taylor Green. And my belief as to

(01:03:28):
what happens is that Marjorie Taylor Green then went very
very public and said released the Epstein files, which Trump
certainly didn't want to do, because Marjorie Taylor Green wanted
to get back at Trump because she's thinking, I've supported
you Trump all this time, and now you're gonna tell
me that I can't run for the Senate, and Trump will,

(01:03:50):
I mean, what you have to do with analyzing everything.
Nobody ever does this other than me, I swear nobody does.
Put yourself in the other guy's shoes. So If you're
Marjorie Taylor Green, I've been ridiculed of and mocked all
of this crap because I've been supporting you Trump, and
now you won't prop me up for this. Now, imagine
you're Trump and look at it I took. There's four
hundred thirty five members of the House of Representatives. What

(01:04:11):
two hundred and twenty of them are Republicans. Out of
those two hundred and twenty, is there anyone that I've
given a beggar platform? The Marjorie Taylor Grade, she stands,
she's out there, she's at the inauguration, all my speeches
on a leg. We got her all these places, we
proper our proper, our proper op, proper op, proper op,
proper op, proper, give her all of this platform, and
now she hears one thing for me that she doesn't

(01:04:33):
like and she turns on me. So that's where the
rift occurs. She thinks that Trump owes him, and he
and Trump thinks that she that she thinks Trump owes her,
and Trump thinks she owes him. So, if you're Marjorie

(01:04:53):
Taylor Grade and you want to buck up against Trump,
where do you go? Whe'd you go? You want to
buck up against Trump? Where do you go? They'll all laughed.
So she's now on the View, she's gonna be on CNN,
she's gonna start going she's gonna try to make an alliance.
And as I raised this on Monday's podcast, whether or

(01:05:14):
not it will work, And I honestly don't know. For
people who say the left will never embrace her, would
you have ever thought they would have embraced Liz and
Dick Cheney. They hated those people until they oppose Trump.
The left hates Trump so much that if somebody who

(01:05:35):
was in Trump's orbit somehow starts swirling around in their orbit,
will they maybe? So there she was in the view,
you cut it up with the old battle axis from
the view and so on, and you watch and see
whether or not she keeps doing this, and she's you know,
you can say a lot of things about her. She's
got a sense of shrewdness to her. She knows how

(01:05:56):
to push buttons, and she may know how to push
Trump's on. She goes to the View and starts ripping
on Trump when that's gonna drive Trump crazy. So she's
picking this fight because she probably sees okay, Trump says
I can only be a member of the House forever
and ever and ever, and I want to run for
I want to run for the Senator. She's probably why
can't I run for president in eight, twelve, sixteen years. Well,
when there are people that are telling you can't win,

(01:06:17):
we're not gonna support you, or anything beyond that, she
feels his sense of rather than this is why I
said earlier. She hasn't our place. Trump and most conservatives
have thought her place is exactly where. She is a
combative member of the House who's going to fight the
lefty radicals with their own fire. But if she tries
to run for something beyond this, she's simply gonna lose.

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Update on the story here. Js Online is reporting that
there are ple negotiations underway in the Hannah Dougan case.
I have said from the beginning that this case screams
out exactly for exactly that Hanna Dugan is the Milwaukee
County Circuit judge who I think dead to rights, broke
the law. Ice shows up with a warrant, She sends

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him down to the Chief Judge's office and allows the
illegal immigrant to sneak out. Event they caught him anyway.
But she clearly tried to obstruct the illegal immigrant from
being arrested by ICE, which is an law enforcement agency
with the rest authority, and they had a warrant. What
she did is illegal. The challenge for the federal prosecutors

(01:07:40):
will be to get a jury to convict her. But
as I explained on Monday's podcast, this is not a
Milwaukee County case. It's an Eastern District of Wisconsin case.
So the jurors come from West Bench. Sheboygan Racine in
addition to say Milwaukee, West Allie and so on, could
get a jury who a convictor in her to her side.

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The federal judge seeing the case trying the case, Lynn Aidelman,
is the leftiest federal judge in the state of Wisconsin
and one of the leftiest in the country, and she
may be hoping that she gets favorable rulings out of him,
but she runs the risk that if she goes to
trial and loses, that she would go to prison. I

(01:08:24):
think this case screams for a plea. She pleads guilty
and what she gets in return and is forced to
resign as a judge and she has to take a
guilty plea. So she's convicted criminal. In exchange, she doesn't
get any prison time. That way, the prosecution gets its

(01:08:45):
conviction and they send a message that you can't obstruct
ICE agency. You'll face severe consequences. From the perspective of Dugan,
one of the zillions of lefties who says to hate
Trump and hate Ice, and she lost her mark. I mean,
she consulted with another Milwaukee County judge right there, and
that judge is cooperating with the prosecution. Even the really

(01:09:06):
leftist judges realize you can't do this, which is why
hardly any judges in the unit. All sorts of police
agencies and so on, but very few judges when confronted
with a warrant from the FEDS. Is look at how
when the Justice Department was crooked to get out, to
get out to get Trump, how hard it was to
obstruct them, much less when they're actually enforcing an existing law.

(01:09:28):
The illegal got a warrant for these people. Now, just
because these negotiations doesn't mean that there'll be a deal.
Maybe they can't reach enough of a deal. Maybe do
Good and her lawyers think that they can beat this
thing a trial. But I think that this is a
case that just screams out for a resolution with a
plea bargain that gets her off the bench, and I

(01:09:49):
would contend also carries a criminal conviction. In return they
agree not to seek imprisonment for her, that she leaves
the bench humiliated to that's that it's a sufficient to turrent,
I think for these public officials that are out there
trying to obstruct ice without taking Hannah Dugan, who otherwise

(01:10:12):
is not somebody who's been spending her life going out
there and committing crimes. She just a lefty judge, and
not even the worst lefty judge in Milwaukee County, far
from it. Not a terrible judge. She did something that's
terribly wrong and she doubled down on it and for
which she should pay a price. But I just think
this neither side, I think, wants this thing to go
to trial and run the risk of the other side

(01:10:33):
winning altogether. When we come back, all these athletes that
are going down being injured in particularly basketball and football.
Injuries have always been a problem in basketball. Now it's
people are stunned this early in the season, how so
many players are going down. There is good news here

(01:10:57):
in Wisconsin. It appears as though Josh Jacobs, the pack
running back, will not need knee surgery. That's huge news.
And the news on Giannis out of Kumpo of the
Bucks is very very good. His groin injury, which may
or may not be a tear, appears to be rather
minor and they think he'll be back in two weeks
rather than this being something that knocks him out for

(01:11:18):
months and months and months. Victor Wumbayama, the superstar of
the San Antonio Spurs, he's going to be out for
a few games. You've got guys going down already with
regard to football, they're dropping all over the place. We've
seen the last several years in the NBA, the team
that wins the championship is the team that doesn't have
five guys go out for the season in the postseason.

(01:11:40):
Look at Indiana last year. They made it all the
way to the finals end then Tyrese Haliburton tears up
his knee. He isn't going to play all this year.
We're going to dive into that story and an interesting
theory from I admit my theory is coming from an idiot.
Well it is. Well, I'll tell you what the idiot
is as soon as we come back after the break,

(01:12:01):
which will be very very short on the Markedelling Podcast.
This is the Mark Belling Podcast. As I said, I
have a theory that's coming from an idiot. But here's
the thing about idiots. Some idiots are idiots always. There
are idiots who sometimes are right about things, right, Or

(01:12:24):
here's the more common thing. There are people who are
idiots in certain areas of their life. But if they
just stay in their own lane, they're actually kind of smart. Right.
That would be like every Hollywood celebrity who tries to
shoot off their mouth about politics and so on. I mean,
most of them don't know a damn thing about it.
If they just stuck to acting, they'd be perfectly fine. Right.
George Clodia is anxiety, is a great actor, and all

(01:12:46):
of that stuff. He didn't know a damn thing about
how government anything works. If he simply stayed in his
own lane on that, he would he wouldn't be an
idiot if he didn't shoot his mouth off on that thing.
What DeNiro's another example. Here's the one I'm going to cite.
Steve Occur, coach of the Golden State Warriors, multiple NBA champion,
massive lefty and some of the things that he said

(01:13:09):
of and I get part of it consider where he's coaching.
He's coaching in San Francisco. For Eaven's sakes. I mean,
he has no choice but to be a lefty because
if he spoke on politics in San Francisco was a righty.
He get in anyway, He's got a theory on why
there have been so many injuries this early in the
NBA season, and his theory makes sense to me. I've

(01:13:33):
had my own theory about the general increase in injuries
and sports overall, and this plays into it. On my
theory with regard to the overall, athletes are stronger, faster,
and the games are played much harder. Using football as
his gamble, other than say Dick Buckets, you go watching

(01:13:56):
go on YouTube and just watch highlights of games in
the say fifties, sixties and seventies. They don't hit very
hard at all. What they did is they tackled. Now,
you blow people up, you launch your bodies. In addition
to that, fifty sixty and seventies offensive line was like
two hundred and forty pounds. They're no. Three forty running

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backs for one eighty five some of them are two
fifty five and they're running the forty and four to four.
In addition to that, look at the pace of the games.
You look back at what Just go back and watch
an NFL game from the seventies on YouTube. There is
no no huddle. Maybe like right at the end of
the game, you'd run a play, you go back into

(01:14:41):
the huddle, you'd run another play. It just and they
played like fourteen and eventually sixteen games a year. The
athletes are bigger, stronger, faster, so when they crash into
one whether it's going to cause more damage than in

(01:15:03):
an earlier era. Then you add in everything else, like
the length of the season and the additional number of games.
In the nineteen sixties, the National Football League had one
playoff game, the championship. The winner of the East played
the winner of the West in one playoff game. Initially
they had twelve regular season games, then it was fourteen.
You played a championship, so the most games a team

(01:15:25):
would play would be fifteen. Now there's thirty two teams
in there, thirty or thirty two. In football, you've got
all these rounds of playoffs. The regular season is seventeen
games and there's eighteen weeks and then you got all
these extra games in the playoffs and so on. All right,
get back to Steve Kerr. One of the things that's happened.

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And I understand that most people don't follow the NBA closely,
and I don't even think you don't follow the NBA closely,
do you. Well, there's one thing that's really happened this
year different from last year. It's a trend that has
occurred in football is well, you'll hear Mike Marlette talk
about football. We have. Football analysis is teams that play
at pace, in other words, run more plays, not spend

(01:16:10):
as much time on the huddle. Run a play, try
to run another play, try to run another try to
run another play. Well, simple common sense. The more plays
you run, the more guys are going to be hurt,
because you nobody, hardly anybody gets hurt in the huddle,
but running up and down the field and get it
off another play. The more times that you're out there
to be smacked around to do a thing, the greater
the chance that you're going to be hurt. Furthermore, the

(01:16:31):
more worn out you're going to be when you do
all of it. That's football in the NBA. The big
change so far this year is almost every team is
trying to play up tempo. Example, everybody says the best
coach in the NBA is Eric Spolster of the Heat.
I mean they've been saying this. He must be a
great coach. He's lasted forever, and every and everybody says

(01:16:53):
the best coach. The Miami Heat have been traditionally known
for a slower pace game, and they play spectacular defense.
That's the way they bet. And he's a he's a
what's the term, he's a protege of pat Riley. Pat
Riley was believed in defense and a physical nature of
the game and slow slow, slow, slow slow. When he
was at the next it is that the Lakers with

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the Heat. That's what he did. Miami has stumbled in
recent years. Spoolstra announced that he had an epiphany this summer.
We can't play the way I believe in anymore. The
game has changed. Miami is now giving up like one
hundred and forty points a game. They're just running up
and down the court. The over unders in NBA games

(01:17:38):
are going through the roof. The Bucks are a perfect example.
I think, not counting the injury of Giannis. I know
this sounds insane. The Bucks are better without Damian Lillard
than with him. Damian Lillard was a traditional point guard
and old. He'd bring the ball up the court. He'd
slow walk up the court, and by the time he
crossed the mid court line, there's like fifteen seconds left

(01:18:01):
in the shot clock. He dribbles around, sets up the play.
They're looking to shoot with maybe six or five seconds left.
And that's pretty much how all the great players did it.
Jordan kolbe et cetera. It's not the way teams want
to play anymore. They play with pace. Kevin Porter Junior
was going to be a very good point cut for
the Bucks. He ripped up his knee. Now Ryan Rollins
has been spectacular, has taken over the position. They get

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too up the court, big, big, big a fast pace,
pace pace pay face. Part. Steve Kerr's theory is the
teams are playing at such an intense pace, the guys
are getting more worn out and therefore more prone to
be injured, even this early in the season, and he's
concerned that by the end of the year it'll be

(01:18:45):
like football, where players have dropped like flies before we
even enter the playoffs. I think what Kerr says makes sense.
It's simple common sense. I have believed for years the
NBA seed. First of all, I think every sports season
is too long. You don't agree with me on that,
do you welse's foot past perfect is? It's just not

(01:19:07):
it's too long. Football is training camp in July and
they play the Super Bowl in the middle of February. Now,
I admit, for a team like that never makes like
say Dallas, their season usually ends on New Year's Day
with barely team that rarely team that rarely makes the playoffs,
I think they're all too long. And I think on

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almost everything in life less can be more. Nascar, Golf,
and golf. They don't even have an off season anymore.
NASCAR starts at a ton of five hundred in February
and their last race is in November. December of January
is all that's off. Golf's like the same thing. Golf

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they have the first tournaments in early January golfs and
it's off season right now with the play like exhibition
events and so on. In the case of the NBA,
it's absurd. NBA teams go to training camp in late September.
The preseason game start in early October, and the first
game of the year is in the middle of October.

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The NBA Championship has decided in June. If you're a
team that goes a long way, there's no offseason at all. Now.
That may have worked in the era in which you
talked about football earlier. Watch old there's things are on
YouTube everywhere. They watch a Bucks game from the late
seventies the early eighties, and they had those really good

(01:20:33):
teams that never won a championship. With the Marcus Johnson,
Sydney Moncrief era, Junior Bridgeman, all of those guys. You'd
be shocked, especially if you're young, and how slow they
bring the ball up the court and how slow everything's going.
A couple of passes and then somebody chet a jump
shot clank team to get the rebound, they come down court.

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There was nowhere near as much banging. There was nowhere
near the kind of also that we see now. It
was just it was a different style of game. So
you could last for eighty two games because not that
many people were breaking into that much of a sweat.
I think it would not hurt the NBA to shorten

(01:21:16):
their games to forty minutes. College games are forty minutes.
Nobody thinks that's too long. People say I don't want
to go to a game. People leave before the games
are rubber as it is. I'm somebody who has season tickets.
I don't think you'd lose anything by shortening the game.
I think if you took the regular season from eighty
two to sixty four games, that would be fine. Now

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here's why teams don't do it. Every sport is adding
to their season because the more games you have, the
more rights that you can get for your TV broadcasts,
and the more money that you make by selling tickets.
If you sell tickets for I'll just use round numbers.
Any sport, sixty games, you make more money than if
you sell tickets for thirty games. I will tell you

(01:21:58):
that I would be willing to accept the notion of
raising the prices per ticket. And they're already seen in
the NBA and playing fewer games. You know, by the
time you get around to February, March, and April, for
the teams that are going nowhere, they're playing for nothing.
The teams that are ninety games out of first place,
it's no meaning for them. For the teams that are
in contention, they're winding down. What do you care if

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you're a three seed or a four seed? It becomes pointless.
And the teams that make the playoffs, given the fact
that everybody's running faster and doing all this stuff, guys
drop like flies. Giannis appeared several years ago to rip
off his knee. Because he's got the strongest ligaments in
the world. He bounced right back, but it looked for
the all like he had an acl look at this.
Last season in the NBA, everybody fell down there at

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the playoffs. I think that the nature of all of
these games is they're so much faster, there's so much harder,
so much more physical. In sports in which there's no contact,
like say tennis, probably not a big deal, or track
and field, probably not a big deal. But in the
sport we're smashing into one another. The fact that there's

(01:23:03):
more action contained is taking this physical toll. And the
thing with all of these sports is sports basically have
two things going for them. People enjoy seeing the game
and they enjoy seeing the great players. If the great
players aren't there, you're losing something that is integral. You'll

(01:23:24):
still have well Okay, it's still a great game. There's
still you know, Okay, the Packers. Let's imagine that they
don't have their quarterback, and they don't have a running back,
and they don't have two offensive vinements. They're still playing
an interesting game of football. But it's not as much
one to watch players that are only okay as it
is to watch players that are really, really good at
their craft. So I think that curries on to something.
And I think that given the fact that the coaches

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in football is the other sport where this has come
into play, have just realized that running more plays makes
more sense than running fewer plays and do things fast
and not waste any time. That it's creating a much
more demanding game. And these athletes, as they say, are bigger, faster, stronger,
but the rest of their body isn't bigger, faster, or stronger.
We have the same kind of bones and the same

(01:24:09):
kind of hearts and the same kind of lungs, and
the wear and tear becomes a greater thing. All right.
We did this last week on Thursday, because we do
our normal football preview on Wednesday. I'm in a preview
the high school football championship games this weekend. We have
seven divisions. I need to correct something I said I
think last week about we divide the divisions into seven

(01:24:31):
divisions based on enrollment. They actually the WIA a couple
of years ago started to do something that I've advocated.
They do enrollments a big part of it. But they
do put in a competitive component two which division you're in.
In other words, say a school of small enrollment that's
dominant every year, and say basketball, they move them up
a division or two. So there is some element of

(01:24:52):
that in there. And there's several teams, for example, that
they did it just by enrollment. We division three rather
than two, or four rather than three, so forth and
so on. Anyway, they have seven divisions. They start the games.
They're all played at Camp Brandle. They play four division
games on Thursday and then three on Friday, and they
do them in order Division seven, which is the some

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states do at the opposite and Wisconsin the higher number
is the smaller school. I think that makes sense, don't you.
It would seem like it should be the other way around.
But there's a couple of states in which I think
it's Illinois. They like the sixth division six or six
a thing is the biggest schools what we do with
the opposite. I will admit I don't know anything about

(01:25:35):
some of the smaller schools other than we know where
they are. But the takeaway that I have and mentioning
this real quickly, is we have two hotbeds in Wisconsin
for high school football, Southeastern Wisconsin and Northeastern Wisconsin. There's
sometimes a team from Madison, like Wana Key is outside
of Madison, but otherwise you rarely see a Madison area

(01:25:55):
team make it to the championship and almost never these
bigger schools Western Wisconsin or Northern Wisconsin. So last time
you saw Stevens Point or wasauw or Old Claire. Those
are big high schools. Now in the smaller division. Some
of the smaller schools in that area have an opportunity.
But there's two just huge hotbeds, and we see it
with regard to the recruiting as well. And that's northeastern Wisconsin,

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kind of like Fox Valley to Green Bay, like Oshkosh
the Green Bay that quarter and then Southeastern Wisconsin, but
not the city of Milwaukee. So let's give the smaller
schools the quick doo Cochrane, Fountain City plays Kenosha Saint Joseph.
Well Kenosha Saint Joseph's self explanatory Catholic School fro Kenosha.
Division six Darlington versus Edgar. Should I use the joke

(01:26:38):
that I use all the time. You got to give
Edgar credit? Paul one guy pen against I've done that.
I've done that joke with various schools. Forever. You fall
for it each time. Division five Mayville plays Northwestern. I

(01:27:00):
think Northwestern is in Pelmira. No, it's not, I admit
I don't know. I could look that up, but probably
should have. Division four Little Shoot plays Winnikani. Little Shoot
is actually if you think this doesn't make sense, but
it makes sense when I say it. It's a large
small city. A large small city would be a city
that has a big high school in it, but only one.

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Little Shoots a community of about ten or eleven or
twelve thousand. They're only in Division four. They run a
smaller conference, and they're enrollment isn't as high as some
of the neighboring communities a similar population open enrollment and
so on. Little Shoot is twelve and one. They play Winnakoni,
which is thirteen and oh little shoots in the Fox
Valley again. This is nowhere. We're starting to get into
my hotbed area. And Winnikani is northwest of Oshkosh. Division three.

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Paul knows about the Grafton team. Grafton played an incredible
who do they beat? It was a great game. They
Catholic memoryal Waukeshaw, Those Catholic Memorial has been a dynasty
forever in football. They came from behind and they beat him.
And Paul said before that game that was the real
Estate Championship. Paul was at it. We'll test it. Grafton
will play Reedsburg. Reidsburg is from kind of southwest Ish.

(01:28:12):
It's it's in the general Madison area. Have to think
I think north of Madison, not sure for not sure.
Always going to all three games on what's the weather like?
You haven't you haven't looked well? I mean I would look.
I mean, does your wife lay out your clothes for you?
She does, She's gonna say, Paul, put on this winter

(01:28:33):
coat and so on. Well, I know somebody's gotta know
what you gotta wear because they gotta know what the
weather is. Would you you'll put your hand on Grafton
plays Reedsburg. Now again, Reidsburg might be in a conference
where they play larger schools, but they're ten and three
in graft that it's thirteen and no Division two. This

(01:28:53):
is these are both schools in the Green Bay area.
Notre Dame plays West of Pier. Notre Dame is the
Catholic school that covers Green Bay to Peer, that area
of northeast in Wisconsin. They're very very good. West to
Pier is the team that knocked out They knocked out
Homestead last weekend. I watched the YouTube replay of that game.

(01:29:17):
Poll neither team could stop the other, and you know
the game, so they just matched touchdowns the whole game,
and you know, and one team won by one point.
Why do you think that was messed that? You would
you believe that Homestead missed an extra point that's what
they lost by one point. And the game it was
like there were virtually no puns. The Homestead team runs

(01:29:41):
almost every play, so they would like have nine minute
possessions and West to Pier passed almost every play. And
it's just a great game. Two really strong teams. So
somebody had to lose. In West of Peer one, they
played Green Bay, Notre Dame. So those are both teams
in the Green Bay area. And then the Division one game, Arrowhead,
the giant school from the Lake Country here plays Bayport.

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Arrowhead is twelve and one, Bayport is eleven and two.
That's the Division one game. And as I mentioned in
an earlier program, Bayport is the area right to the
west of the city of Green Bay. It's kind of
a great kind of area for football, rather affluent area
of big yards for the kids and so on, and
kind of like the Green Bay version of Arrowhead if

(01:30:27):
you would imagine. And Bayport's like a regional area school district.
I think it might be in Swamaco, but there's all
these affluent suburbs of Green Bay moving to the west
over there that's Bayport. There are a team that's often
and so those are the seventeen he ind I'm certainly
not going to make any predictions on anything other than
Paul has guaranteed a win by Grafton. And again from

(01:30:47):
what I've read and what I've heard from people who
follow this, those were the two best teams in Division three,
which doesn't mean Bredsburg doesn't have a chance. As I've said,
I just think there's too many divisions. I think the
teams in Division two and beat the teams in Division
one and vice versa. And there's too many divisions in football.
I get why you have to do it. For the
smallest school. Some of these schools in Division seven, the

(01:31:09):
kids are playing both ways because there's just not enough
to feel the team. In fact, you know, when Tucker
Kraft went to high school in South Dakota, they played
I think was it nine man or seven men football
that he played in high school, which it was nine.
I mean in those really tiny schools that they literally
create a fewer player because there aren't enough players to
feel the team. So anyway, Paul says that Grafton's quarterback

(01:31:35):
plays safety. Will that's a Division III school, You'll still
see it some of the time. In most of the
large schools in Division one or two. Other than for
a niche purpose, they have one way players, which obviously
you require more players on the team to be able
to pull that off. But that's not the standard for
I think when I was in high school, guys always
played both ways in high school. But again, going back

(01:31:57):
to what we were talking about earlier, bigger, faster, stronger,
and so on, it's just harder to do even at
that level. All right, that's it for today. A regular
football preview including pointspread pixes on the podcast that we
released on Thursday. Talk to you that Bye.

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