Mark Belling Podcast #89: A local psychologist and her boyfriend churn out mental health diagnoses at $50 a pop in order to sell "emotional support animal" permissions. In another scam, a Democrat congresswoman is accused of stealing $5 million from FEMA. And the Morgan Geyser case raises serious questions about the quality of care she has been getting from state mental health officials.

Mark focuses on some bad looks in the mental health business.   Morgan Geyser cuts off her monitoring bracelet only months after state officials say she's safe to be released.  A local psychologist cranks out emotional disability diagnoses for $50 after patients submit online questionnaires.  And, Marxism strikes again as Chicago's Christmas tree lighting turns into a violent riot

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Virtually every government program is vulnerable to all sorts of scamming.
There are a lot of reasons for this. The biggest
one is the people who run the government. It's no
skin off their back if something's been scammed. If you
and I own a business and we're scammed, we lose

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that money. Nobody in government particularly focuses on that. Secondly,
when the program is set up, there are always people
that are eyeballing it to see how it can be scammed.
When we think of scamming, we usually think of financial
In fact, in a few moments, I'll be discussing the

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story of a Democratic congresswoman from Florida who's accused of
setting up a company that stole five million dollars from FEMA.
But that's not the only way something can be scammed.
When Congress, with good intention passed the Americans with Disabilities Act,

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nobody ever thought at the time that it would be
interpreted to include virtually anything that anyone would ever claim
is a disability. But again that's the problem with setting
things like this up, and whenever anyone tries to oppose it,
they're attacked in the media and attacked by the supporters
of the programmers saying you don't care about then whatever

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the program, whatever the problem is. I've got an excellent
example of all of this to start today's podcast. It's
the result of a very good investigation that Fox six
has done, and I'm going to tee it up just
briefly before I share a little bit of information about

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you line with you and then roll into the topic.
I'll tee it up briefly. Here's something that I don't
even have to get into the specifics. Everybody knows has
been filled with scams on all sorts of different levels,
emotional support animals. All you have to do is say
those words, and everybody will have a scam in mind,

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and they're all going to be different because the whole
concept is open to be scammed. Let's start with this.
What is any emotional support animal? I don't know that
anyone can define it. So when something isn't defined, that
means any animal I guess can be an emotional support animal.

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The maintime. Think about this. Now, let's think about well,
we have to come up with some criteria to make
something an emotional support animal those of you that are
not minded like a scammer, but well, that sounds like
a good thing. You have to put yourself in the
other guy's shoes and turn yourself into a scammer. Paul,

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I don't think is any good at that because Paul
is just too naive and you can't think like a scammer,
can you? You can't? You just you know there you are,
you on these storage lockers. I'm guessing you could scam
that thing like crazy out there, but you're just too
honest of a guy. Is that is that your thing?
I mean, I'm guessing I could just, off the top
of my head come of nine million different ways to

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scam that thing, you know, set up some extra fee
for insurance, and then not pay any insurance company, just pocketed,
figuring that nobody's ever going to bust in, and just
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Sis a big investigation. Brian Pulsin's their investigative reporter. You
can find all of it on their website, but I'm
gonna sure you pick out some details because I want
to focus on several elements of the story that are
interesting to me. Back in twenty thirteen, you have to

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follow the timelines of this who was the president in
twenty thirteen, Obama, They were doing all of this good
do good or stuff. They issued a rule during the
Obama administration that even if say an apartment building, a

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facility like that is no pets allowed, an exception is
made for emotional support animals for people who need them.
And again you could see why people would bite that
this would be a good idea, Well what about people
who really need And the first thing that anybody ever
thinks of is you know a seeing eye dog, Well
they need that. How can you make somebody live in

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an apartment and they can't have their guide dog. Of course,
instantly this program got scammed and everybody under the sun
said this is my emotional support animal. And the next
thing you know, all of these no pets allowed facilities
are swimming with pets and geese and dogs and everything

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else that people would claim. So now let's get to
twenty twenty. Follow your timelines. Who's the president in twenty
twenty Trump? So they decide to tighten this up and
they require that you have to be certified as someone
who needs any emotional support animal. They wrote that in

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and within that language is you needed to have the
approval of a trained professional to certify that you needed that.
That's what was written in and again that's a good
thing to write in, but it's also an opportunity. And

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this is where a guy like you, you just can't imagine
how that would be an opportunity. You would think that, well,
we've tightened things up, whereas somebody else is seeing the
dollar signs roll through, which brings us to the Fox
six report. There are businesses all over the country that
will send you a certification that you need an emotional

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support animal. The Internet has allowed these kinds of businesses
to flourish. Now, imagine before we're in the Internet age,
go back to say, nineteen ninety five, before there really
was an internet. If you were going to offer up
that type of business, how does anybody even know that
you exist? How do you put yourself in front of
the eyeballs of all of the people who want to

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be able to have an emotional support animal. It's hard
to do. But now the Internet is out there. You
put up a website, you're found in a search engine,
and a number of these places set up shop. Some
are more legitimate than others. Now, let me move to
a side topic before we get back. One of the

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things that I admit I wasn't aware of, and probably
many of you are not aware of, is that the
whole field right now of counseling is moving online. I
found this out through a personal contact. I know someone
who I knew some well. I dated someone who was
a therapist a couple of years ago in Florida. She

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was legitimate. About half of her client tell It started
during COVID and it just continued. They do a zoom
or Skype or any of the other services FaceTime or
whatever it is, and a lot of clients prefer it
that they prefer to talk to the counselor while they're
in their own home the counselor's in her office or

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wherever it is. And this is just growing and I
can't see any reason why it's a bad idea. But
it's a side part of this. But it's going to
relate to the discussion that we have with regard to
the emotional support animals. So the story that Fox six
does is about a guy who's got a business in

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elm Grove and his business is to provide letters that
indicate that this person requires an emotional support animal. That's
his business. Now you would think in order to get
into that business you'd have to be qualified. Well, this

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is why you and I need to be better scammers,
because you and I could set up this business. He's
got the business in Elmgrove and he puts up a
website saying that he can provide you with a letter

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indicating that you are in need of an emotional support animal. Now,
remember I said that under the law as redrawn by
Trump in twenty twenty. You had to show, you had

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to show proof from a qualified and trained expert that
you need this. Now this guy just has his website.
I've been able to dig up a fair amount of
information about the guy as well. His name is Sas Sass,

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and as it turns out, Sas his first name is Chris.
Came to the attention of Fox six because a guy
in Florida who's been doing the same thing, but he
contends qualified professionally. In other words, he'll do evaluations on
a professional in thorough nature. And he's apparently been disgusted.

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But all of these competitors that are setting up who
don't do any evaluation at all. So my guess is
that that's how because they interview this guy, how he
grew who the Umgrove business to the attention of Fox sex.
My guess is this guy's cherry picking over the internet.
And if there's somebody, say in Louisville, kentucky'll contact an
investigative reporter in Louisville and so on. Anyway, here's the guy,

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Chris says. I ran his LinkedIn nothing to do with
psychology at all. He's working as a residential placement expert
for an apartment complex that I think deals with senior citizens.
It's called Newcastle Place. Some of you may know about that,
but that on his LinkedIn he says he's a residential

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specialist at Newcastle. Before that, he worked in retail. He
was at Bontan stores for a while and so on,
And in twenty seventeen he opened up this business titled
Touch Emotional Support Animal Assistance. Touch Emotional Support Animal Assistance,

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and the Fox Sex Reporter goes to the website and
what you see is there's like a questionnaire. It's one
of these questionnaires that you have to be. You are
hopeless if you can't fill it out and get the
emotional support animal it will ask. It's a bunch of
questions that are ABC and D and A is always
the answer that would indicate that you need in emotionals
and it's quite answer apparently, questions like do you feel lonely,

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do you feel stressed out? Are you more comfortable with
you when you're with it, et cetera. That's all it is.
You fill it out online. On his website himself, he says,
over ninety nine percent of our applicants are successful. He's
advertising essentially that no matter what you do, we're going

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to give you the certification. Now, remember, go back to
what I said was put in during Trump and twenty twenty.
What did I say was put into the law during
Trump and twenty twenty? How can you possibly have forgotten this?
This was seventy five seconds ago. Why it was not
more than that you needed to have the approval of

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someone who has trained. So here's how it works. You
fill out the application, and according to the Fox six guy,
in fifteen minutes, the thing comes back and it's a letter,
and it's got your name out it and says we've
determined that so and so is in need of an
emotional support animal. It goes out and on, and they
have a sample letter here. The guy from Florida, who

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I said is trying to whistle blow on this, he applied,
and he said when he applied, he put in the
most ridiculous responses you could imagine, just to see whether
or not you could put in ridiculous responses and still
get the certification. And he did, and he provided the
letter to Fox six, and Fox six has it on
its website. So here's a guy who is I'm no

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need at all of an emotional sport animal. In fact,
I did this training myself. I just filled out a
bunch of crap to see what would happen, and he
said right away, I got it back. And it comes
back from here's the key to the story, a licensed
psychologist in Wisconsin. Remember this guy, Chris Sass owns the company.

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He's not a license to anything. But the letter comes
back from a psychologist her and she identifies herself as
a clinical psychologist, and she's got her license at her
letter head. Her name is Laurie Gebhard. I'm going to
read the letter that she wrote and wrote and sent
to the guy from Florida who's whistleblowing, to whom I

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make it certain. I have evaluated Chas Stevens. That's a whistleblower,
and his response is to the psychosocial and behavior self assessment,
and I find that Chazz meets the clinical criteria for
a mental or emotional disability recognized in the Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. So she's saying she's diagnosed

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him based on his response, and he has a disorder.
I don't know if any disorder at all. I put this
put in crap in the online thing. Due to this
emotional and mental disability, Chazz has certain limitations related to
social interactions, coping with stress and anxiety, and engaging in
activities of daily living, which are indicative of functional impairments

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caused by Chaz's emotional mental disability. No, you may be
wondering how she could crank this out in fifteen minutes.
If you think like a scammer, you know how she
can crank this out in fifteen minutes. If you're some
goof like Paul who can't think like a scammer, you
would have no idea how she could crank this out
and fill this back with his thing and all of
that in fifteen minutes. No, not Ai. She sends the

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same letter to everybody who applies. All she has to
do is punch in the name and then they kick
it back. So there's not what's what what do you
call that thing? No, yeah, but there's a term for something.
She's got a template and all she does is she
drops the name into the template. And we know this

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because numerous somebody else applied and they got all of
these letters. So she goes on and she cites all
these things that she's diagnosed, and she's a psychologist. So
let's start with this. There's way more to the story
than I'll get into it in a month. Let's start
with this. So even when you build in this protection,
well you have to be diagnosed by a counselor. It's

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the same thing that led you all of the opioid dependency.
I've told the story a few times. Most people believe
that it started in Kentucky because Kentucky was just the
hotbed of it, where these pain clinics would open in
trailers in the middle of the woods. There was always

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somebody who was a doctor and usually a nurse that
was running him. I'll give you another area where you
can get somebody who claims, say, what do you think
it a clinic? Is? All it is is a quack
gynecologist who couldn't get any legitimate work doing regular gynecology,
who decides to go on into abortions. Well, I couldn't
actually get any money delivering babies, so I decided to

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kill him. Some doctor who and by the way, to prescribe,
prescribe medication, you don't even generally have to be somebody
who's certified in a particular field. So these clinics would
open up and everybody who said that they had pain
were getting the opioids, and they we're getting a lot
of them, and a lot of them, a lot of them.
The word would spread word amouth, and the next thing
you know, this is spreading all over the country. So

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just the notion that there's going to be an expert
that's going to do something, it may be a protection,
but it's not a protection if the expert is willing
to say whatever the client wants. Now, let's start with this.
We do know that there are online pharmacies and you

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see them advertised on TV in which you can get
like the sex pills and all of it. And they
always say that they do a consultation. Now I've never
applied for one of these, but some of them they
may have an actual consultation in which you do talk
over the phone or FaceTime with a doctor and say, okay,
I have this sexual problem, this, that and the other thing. Now,
I don't think that that's much of a diagnosis because

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anybody can lie, but it's a way of doing it.
In this instance, according to the Fox six report, this
psychologist who's sending the letters out for Chris Sass's company.
Her name is Lori Gebbard. Isn't doing any actual discussion
at all. All she's doing is looking at the questionnaire.

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And the questionnaire, as I say, is what according to
the guy in Florida, you can fill out any answer
that you want because they're rubber stamping and approving everybody.
So Fox six goes and talks to the guy that
runs the thing, Chris Sas I remember he runs it,
and the psychologist he's using his Lori Gebbart, and she said,
do you approve over ninety eight They ask do you
prove prove everybody that'll play? Oh no, no, no, no,

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but your thing says over ninety nine percent. Then he
asks him the law that was the amended rule that
was put up at the Trump administation in twenty twenty says,
there has to be an expert and the expert has
to have a relationship with the patient. That's the term.
And again we put that in as a safeguard. You

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have to have a relationship with the patient. So Brian
will see a five to six. Ask this guy says, well,
this filling out a questionnaire, does that mean a relationship.
Oh yeah, it's a relationship. That is a relationship. He
filled out the thing and she read it. That's a relationship.

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Now some of you may be wondering why, by the way,
the fee is fifty bucks. That's another tip off here
that you're not getting any kind of in depth psych
Imagine being able to be diagnosed as having an emotion
and mental disability for fifty bucks. You know, there was
a time in our world before victimization became a cash register,

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that most people would not want to be diagnosed as
having a mental or an emotional disability. But now there's
all sorts of money in it. Fifty bucks is all
it takes for somebody to diagnose somebody from out of
state as having an emotional disability, and of course that
emotionally mental disability means that they get to have a
dog and then can live wherever it is that they
want to live, including the no pencil out. There's a

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million other versions of the scamming of the emotional support animal,
get them on a plane and all this. We're just
focusing on the one here. And again it all starts
because of a government program aimed at addressing people who
have actual need, but it becomes an opportunity for people
to make a buck by providing the certification that you

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have that need. And the way that you can make
a lot of bucks is you approve everybody's application. Now, honest,
well meaning person goes and sees their doctor, and their
doctor refers him to a psychologist or a psychiatrist, and
you go through in depth analysis what your problems are.
Can it be treated by meds? Can you do it
through talk therapy? Can you come up with better's coping skills?

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And so on? And maybe it's so desperate, idiot an animal.
That's a legitimate way of pursuing this, But that's a
lot of time for the professional to be involved, and
so on. This guy wants to if people want to
be able to go to churn churn, churn, churn, churn.
Now you may wonder what's in it? Remember doctor here,
this psychologist, Lori Gebbard, she's not listed as the owner

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of the place. Chris sass is what's in it for her?
This gets really good. Now again the naive among you
who do not think like scammers, that's you again. Well, well,
but again it's only fifty bucks and she doesn't own
the company. Who do you think Chris Sass's girlfriend is

(22:05):
Laurie Gebhart. The faxics reporter must have found this out,
or maybe he ran a background check because he found
that Laurie Gebhart's office has the same address as the
Elmgrove business that Chris Sass is running. This sending out
the certification thing. So Sas sets up the company to
churn out the form letters and his girlfriend simply writes

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the form letter. Does she actually read the questionnaire? Maybe
she's Somebody has to read something to pull the person's
name off of it and send it back. Somebody does
the processing of the fifty dollars over the credit card,
and voila, you send it out. Oh there's more in here.
I ran the backgrounds of both of them. Men as

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they say, this guy Chris Sass, he's working at what's
is it? East Castle? Which no, what did I say
a minute ago that he it's a residential specialist. That's
somewhere I want to get that here. Newcastle. He's a

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Newcastle that's his day job. This is a side gig,
and I'm guessing he doesn't have to spend a lot
of time at it because the thing, you know, once
people hit the website, they fill out the thing, and
the psychologist kicks the thing back in fifteen minutes. It's
a pretty fast way to make a buck the thing.
The only thing working against him is apparently there's zillions
of companies on the internet that are doing the same thing,
which is why you've got so many people that are

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living in no Pets Allowed buildings claiming you got to
allow my pet because I have the emotional support thing,
because it only costs you fifty bucks to get it.
If you're able to find somebody that's got some credential
after their name, they'll fill this out because that person
clearly doesn't do any kind of actual evaluation. I find
out that Chris Sass recently got his third offense OWI,

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so apparently maybe he needs to have an emotional support
animals so he stops drinking and driving. As for this
Lori Gebert, she's been around for a while. Are they
splitting the fifty bucks or are they're in a romantic relationship.
It all goes into the same pocket. I don't know
what I do suggest, however, is Wisconsin we have a

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board that reviews the credential of professionals. There is one
for psychiatrists. This woman's a psychologist. There is a board
that oversees psychologists in the state of Wisconsin, and I
mentioned that the guy from Florida, the whistleblower on this
who's trying to clean up this field that he's in,
he said a complaint to the state Board of Psychologists

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about the behavior of Lori Gebhart, this psychologist. I would hope.
See the problem with a lot of these boards that
oversee these is they don't do any regulating whatsoever. Hardly
anybody loses their license for anything in the state of Wisconsin.
Is this quackery. It depends on how you define quackery. Now,

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let's imagine I was going through here's something impossible to imagine.
Imagine I was having mental health issues. I know, you
just could never imagine that somebody is sane and calm
and clear thinking as me could have mental health issues.
But imagine I did. Imagine I was stressed over any
number of things. It's an important field. The idea that

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I could get any kind of help for anything by
filling out some stupid questionnaire and have something cranked back
at fifteen minutes is absurd. There's no diagnosis going on here.
It's somebody that's using their name to crank something out
so that people can scam the law and bring a
dog somewhere or a chicken or whatever the emotional support

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animal is that otherwise would not be allowed. So we'll
see whether or not they do anything to Lori Gebhart's license.
You're gonna rationalize anything. How could a PhD? You know, well,
I want to make my boyfriend happy, so I'll crank
these things out. Or it's an easy way to make
money because I don't have an otherwise enough business. Or

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everybody would benefit from anilet's like, probably lots of people
would benefit from an animal, But in many cases it's
not because they have a mental instability. It's just that
animals make you feel better. There is a difference. This
whole notion was creating for the purposes of people that
are so stressed out and so much anxiety that they

(26:35):
can't get through life. Now, I admit, and we're going
to do a podcast, I hope later in the week
in which I'm going to address a little bit of this.
We have way more anxiety and stress than we've ever had.
We are filled with people in our world who can't
cope with any I mean, you just watch these cop
videos on YouTube. Every female that's pulled over says I
have stressed anxiety, every single one of them. I have

(26:57):
stress and anxiety. I can't give it a diferences. He
can't go I am stressed in anxiety. I have stressed anxiety.
Do we have an increase in stress and anxiety or
do we merely have a bunch of people that are
such sissies that they crank out stress and anxiety every
time that they're in a stressful situation. Stress is something
that hits everyone. They're stressful situations, you feel anxious. But

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when it becomes a disorder, are there people who simply
can't cope or it just becomes a crutch for a
bunch of sissies and babies who can't walk their way
through lives. My own belief is that there is an
increase in stress and anxiety, and I think that it
comes from all these pills we start giving children at
a young age, and that's going to be a segment

(27:38):
that I hope to do later out of the week.
But whether I'm right about that or wrong about it,
we start with the problem and you end up with
a bunch of people putting little wraps around their animals
and claiming that their emotion of one of the animal
isn't anything. By the way, the animal's never been trained
to do any of this stuff. But most of all,
it's a way for the property rights and the business

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rights and businesses the same. You can't have an animal
in here to have to exempt it because there's people
that are running around with all of these certifications that
they're getting. What this reminds me of is it reminds
you a lot of things. All these people that perform
marriage is because they get a license to be a
minister from some online thing. They're not a minister the

(28:20):
Church of the Universe, so so forth and so on,
and you can perform a marriage. Now, I don't think
you need to have a credential to perform a marriage,
because we've gone past this idea that the person who's
ma marrior of the judge, municipal judge, or the priest
or the rabbi, the person that's performing the marriage is
counseling and somebody go, Okay, fine, we want to get married.
Do you need to have to go through someone to
get in order to get married? Probably not, But we

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still require that somebody has got a license in order
to do so, they go and apply for it. The
difference here is this woman actually is a PhD. And
we did put in the sing of the law that
you're supposed to have to be an expert and that
there has to be a relationship between them. But the
fact that you put that in there isn't going to
stop some people like this goofy guy say yes and

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his girlfriend from churning these things out on the internet. Anyway.
I'm always ripping on the media this is and put
out that. There's just a million stories the media could
do and you never see him do it. And this
is one of them. And it's a good one that
they They probably fell on the laft, They probably got
a tip off on it. But many of the things
I get as a tip as well. And there's this
guy in Florida who was actually probably deeply diagnosing people

(29:22):
and was like an innovator and using emotional support animentals
for the handful of people that need it. And now
he sees all these people ripping it off and just
going on online and saying this, that and the other thing.
It's there's a million things that all the states that
have legalized medical marijuana, there's always a doctor that's gonna
say you medical marijuana would benefit you in that's a
one minute consultation or online and the whole thing. So

(29:46):
whenever you say that you need a certification for something,
there's never going to be a shortage of dishonest people
who will go into that field and not do an
honest evaluation but crank him out like crazy. I said,
uh a couple of years ago. Data. She wasn't a psychologist,
she was a psychotherapist. And what they've talked about is

(30:06):
just the number of people who go into these fields,
including with credential beyond hers, that are not they're not
in it to help people. They're just in it to
make a buck, and they do this kind of sham operation.
Or it's the same thing that will happen when say
somebody's involved in a maybe an automobile accident, that there
are certain people in the medical fields who'll just write

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a letter claiming that you were all banged up. They
won't even do an X ray or something or another,
whereas most legitimate medical professionals they're actually going to diagnose
you and try to determine whether or not you've got
a problem off of it or not. He keeps he's
trying to now turn a soprano's into everything Doctor Melphie
and Tony Soprano. I don't know if you would have

(30:49):
liked liked the zoom calls. That's a little I mentioned.
There's a yet another documentary. It's really good that I found.
I watched part one on the planet. I watched part two.
I can't remember the name. It's David Chase and the sopranos.
I found what it's on. It's on HBO Max, which
is a streaming service. So if you don't have HBO Max,
I don't think that you can see it. But then

(31:10):
I saw segment one was just about the first season,
and the segment two was all their amanders of the
season and they got into the relationship with the doctor
milfied and it was, you know, the conclusion of courses
is like everybody else, he had mother issues and that
that's what she represented. Anyway, that story, let me turn
my attention now two talking in my mind, this is

(31:37):
related to scammers. It's a stretch. So I'll simply present
the story right now. If you're a Democrat in this country.
Your primary qualification for acceptance, it's to simplay bash ice.

(31:58):
It's the ultimate unifier in that part. Find a lefty
in this country and the ripping ice. They've got the
signs up everywhere. It's the one issue in which they're
just blombing on to his ice. And here's the thing,
it doesn't even matter if you're telling the truth about ice.
All you have to do is indicate you're on the
right side. Remember Rico Camacho. Rico Camacho is the Wauka

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Shaw alderman who was also a school teacher at Catholic
Memorial who made an online post that there was an
ice operation going on in downtown Waukeshaw. There wasn't. The
guy was so irresponsible and so abused his role as
a public official. I initially thought, well, he saw a
bunch of people running around in uniforms and being an

(32:47):
idiot that he assumed it was ice. It was even
worse than that. Somebody else saw it and told him
and he posted this. Well, he lost his job at
Waukashaw Catholic Memorial in part because they haven't said why,
but clearly it's a violation of their social media policy
to go online and post things that aren't true, so

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you would think that beyond that that this would damage him.
You don't understand leftist politics. Comacho is trying to milk this,
In other words, milk his lie. Rico Camacho has just
declared his candidacy for the state Legislature, which is a
way better job than Waukashaw Alderman. The city of Waka

(33:32):
Shaw itself is the one part of Waka Shaw in
which the Democrats think they have a chance to win
a legislative seat. There are a couple of districts that
overlap Brookfield and Wawatasa, they can win those, but this
is a standalone district. But it's right in the center
of the city of Waukashaw, which has a large Latino
area working class and so it's Republican, but it's not

(33:52):
as overwhelmingly Republican as say Menominee Falls or Economy Walk
and Wales and areas like that are. It's the seat
that is represented by Scott Allen. Scott Allen is running
for mayor of Waukashaw, so there's going to be an
open seat there. Rico Camacho was running for the State Assembly,

(34:13):
so here's a guy in his whole advertisement in which
the whole message is gonna say, if there are other
Democrats that run for the seat is I'm so against
Ice and I was willing to go on social media
and lie about Ice. From the perspective of the Democrats,
that's a good thing. You see their whole m O
Russia collusion and everything else. They aren't shamed by the
fact that they're making this stuff up. If anything, they

(34:36):
want to praise the person. You had the guts to
lie to try to bring down Trump, never mind messing
around with the truth. You took a risk by lying.
And now the Morgan Geyser story, I think the point
has been missed. She's one of the two slender Man

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stabbers and the one who is treated more seriously. Morgan
Geyser has been in a Wisconsin state institution for about
ten years. Ever since a little longer than that, Ever since,
she and a friend developed in their goofed up heads
that slender Man, a fictional character, was real, and they

(35:20):
came up with this idea that slender Man wanted them
to stab to death one of their fellow another girl
who went to school with them. They were both tried
as adults, which was a good thing because if they
weren't tried as adults, we can only rat slap their wrist.
And they were both sentenced to time in a mental institution.

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Geyser since turned eighteen, turned twenty one, so on, and
she has continued to petition for her release, and they're
obviously are concerns that she's not well yet because she
was the and I deny, deny, deny, deny, deny, deny, deny, denied.

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Finally Wakshaw County Circuit Judge Scott Wagner, who is in
a brief time on the bench. He only got out
of the bench earlier this year. He ran for election
unopposed and had the support of Conservatives. He's advertising himself
as potentially a disaster now again. When he screwed up
a case a few weeks ago, I said it may

(36:25):
be too early to make a firm decision. Anybody can
screw one or two things up. But it was Scott
Wagner who greenlighted the release plan for Morgan Geyser. As
you may have learned, she busted out. She's since been caught,

(36:46):
but she busted out of the treatment facility that she
was at she's on electronic monitoring, and she cut the
bracelet off, disappeared. They found her in Illinois. There are
zillions of questions that come here. First of all, her
treatment center was initially never disclosed because it was sealed

(37:06):
in the court order. The family of the girl, no
young woman that was stabbed, adamantly opposed the release allowing
guiys that to have be released anywhere near in Wakeshaw. Obviously,
they're concerned that she's going to try to do it again,
if she's still somebody who thinks slender Man is real
and so odd. So they sent her to a treatment facility.

(37:28):
It's a glorified halfway house in Madison. She walked away
from the facility the tail end of last week cut
off the bracelet. According to news reports, it took ten
hours before the facility notified the authorities. Now, let's start
with this. Did Wagner issue an order on this release

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plan that would mandate that if she walked away or
cut the bracelet, there has to be immediate notification. People
always go out of this saying, well, they're on a bracelet,
throw on a break thrown a bracelet. It's such a
false sense of security. Off of it. Who's monitoring the bracelet?
So imagine I put Paul on the bracelet. What good
is that going to do? If I'm not chee, if
I don't have something that buzzes the instant he cuts

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off of his bracelet. Geyser was eventually apprehended in Illinois.
The question now will be whether or not they revoke
her release. I think they better. Now you have a

(38:34):
situation here of somebody when they were a child treated
as adult, but a child did something completely delusional, and
your no shit is that they're going to grow out
of it. But you come up with a plan here
in which she finally gets her freedom, and she's only
been out for a few months, and they set up
I don't think very restrictive rules. I mean you could say, well,

(38:55):
having to wear a bracelet and having to stay near
your facility and so on is pretty restrictive, except she
was in an institution. For her, this is out and
not freedom. According to the reports on the case, she
connected with an adult it's unclear if it's a male
or a female, and apparently wanted to run off with
that adult and left the state. As I say, she

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was apprehended in Illinois. But there are other parts of
this story. In news reports earlier this year, it was
reported that Geyser now considers herself to be a he.
Apparently she's moved back to a she because the references
now arta she again, she's one of those names Morgan,
So it could be either way. But she's got her

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hair cut short, and she certainly would appear as somebody
that could pass either as a male or a female,
which begs this question that nobody ever answered, nobody ever asked,
but I'm asking it. What kind of help did she
get in the Wisconsin Mental Health Institution? How is it
that they had her all these years and she's still

(39:58):
not right? Or is it that you got a bunch
of lefty shrinks that work these places and instead of
talking people out of their delusions, reinforce them, including gender.
The whole problem with gender as we used to when
somebody I'm just I've decided I'm a man, is you

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tell no, you're not. If you're a man, you'd have
a gladingis down there you don't, or vice versa. Instead
we reinforce this. What kind of treatment was she getting?
What she told? There is no slender man conformed grow
up and become a productive member of society, or where
all of her weirdnesses and eccentricities reinforced. In other words,

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she's not getting any help at all. From the perspective
of the public, we have a right to be protected
from somebody who might stab you to death thinking that
you're thinking that slender Man wants you to do it.
And her inability to conform to the most basic thing,
keep the bracelet on, don't leave the state, stay near
your facility. Wouldn't a kid. She's not gonna follow any

(41:04):
other rules either. My indictment is of the Winnebago Mental
Health Institute, which is the big state facility in Oshkosh
that oversaw her treatment. It seems to me that she's
just as screwed up as she was when she thought
that slender Man wanted her to kill a classmate. So

(41:26):
what have they done for her? I don't know. Maybe
the UH mail Order Emotional Supports psychologist is on the
payroll out there. Maybe she's the one in charge of
the treatment. Maybe she's sent to Chris Sassi's thing and

(41:49):
for fifty dollars to see center order things, saying she
can be released and go out to society. It's semi related.
But one of the points that I've made with regard
to you, I'm always skeptical when judges rule that somebody

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is not guilty of a crime because of mental defect.
Now in Wisconsin, that doesn't mean that they walk free.
They are instead sentenced to a mental is the sentence
to what's called mental I don't have the term in
front of me. I don't think it's confinement rather than prison.

(42:36):
The problem is is that what they are sentenced to
often does not mean institutionalization. I think control, whatever the
word is. The shrinks involved in this, they have a
vested interest in being able to pat themselves in the
back and say that they fix someone. So nine months
after the person did something heinous, they're out on the street.
Be Oh, they're not dangerous anymore. They're popping their anti

(42:58):
crazy pills. Don't worry about them. You'll see these news there.
The only question is whether or not he will spend
the rest of his life in prison or on a
metal facility. That's not the question. Just because you're confined.
I think confinement is the term, but confined does it

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mean locked up? Confinement can mean living home or living
in an outpatient facility, so forth and so on. There's
not any type of scrutiny into the decisions that are
made by people who work in government in mental health evaluation.
And as I say, with regard to the whole areas

(43:40):
of psychology and psychiatry, people make the mistake of condemning
the field altogether. It's the same as that. It's the
same as talk show hosts. There are good ones and
bad ones. It's the same as podcasters. There are a
few good ones like me, and a bunch of terrible ones.
There are quarterbacks. There's some very good quarterbacks, and then
there's j. J. McCarthy. By the way, I called that
he is the worst quarterback in the NFL. The Vike.

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What the Vikings have done is commit the terrible mistake
of rationalizing their number one pick. He realized they got
rid of two very good quarterbacks in order to make
way for him, Sam Darnold and before that Kirk Cousins.
And that's simply well, we don't want to admit that
we botched the pick. Packers have botch picks. Who is

(44:26):
the not Jordan Morgan, the other offensive lineman first round
pick that was a bus three or four years ago.
Wasn't Morgan, it was the guy before that. Anyway, he
never started, He's gone. They didn't put him out there
and have the team suffer in his in his inability
to play. If you can't earn your way out of
the playing field, you just acknowledge that you made a mistake,

(44:49):
but you don't compound the mistake by throwing the guy
out there. Well, I don't know the these people made
Tony man Tony Maners played twelve years in the NFL.
He just wasn't a first round pick. I'm talking about
guys who shouldn't even play. Tony man Rich also spent
very little time with the Packers. He was he's been
like six seven years. I think with the Lions that

(45:13):
those aren't even close. I'm trying to think of. I mean,
he was so forgettable. I think the guy played at Mississippi.
Maybe offensive line picked number one like four years ago. Yeah, anyway,
you see it in the NBA as well. Johnny Davis

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of Wisconsin was picked by the Wizards. He's in the
G League. Now. You can't hang on to these players
simply because you're drafted the number one. If you can,
if it turns out that you made a terrible mistake,
that the guy isn't working at his craft or he'd
rather you know, he's you know, just a bus You
have misevaluated his potential, or maybe gets injury. So the

(45:57):
point I was making with regard to psychiatry and psychology, Oh, psychia,
it's a racket. No, it's not, but many people in
it are a racket. I think in general, the better
you are at something, the likelier you are to do
it on the up and up. Not always, but in general.

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Let's imagine your a truly great person in helping out others,
and you're in the field of psychiatry or psychology or psychotherapy.
If you really, really are good, word of mouth is
gonna spread. This person really help me, and they'll do
it on the up and up. It's when you're not
any good and you can't get any business. The next thing,
you know, you look at it a questionaion saying, yeah,

(46:43):
this person's completely off the rocker en. They'll be better
if they get to have a support. Duck. It's time
for me to take a break here. Speaking of pieces

(47:06):
of work, Marjorie Taylor Green now has quit the Congress altogether.
Clearly she's up to something, right, what for what? Say
you don't you don't know? You admit you don't know,
Admit you don't know. See I know, I know. I

(47:28):
wouldn't be saying I know unless I thought I knew,
which is why I'm the brilliant podcast through over here.
We'll talk about that in a moment. This is the
Mark Belling podcast. This is the Mark Belling podcast. This
just happened so fast. Marjorie Taylor Green was almost appendage

(47:51):
to President Trump campaign rallies, the inauguration. She was always
near his side, then got on the outs for a bit.
Then the President calls her a trader. She fires something
back and no, she's not even in the Congress at all. Now,

(48:16):
the falling out I analyzed last week and I think
it's pretty easy to understand. And I use the term
Marjorie Taylor Green. Didn't know her place Marjorie Taylor Green,
and you can get up. She's hanging around near the president,
she's famous and all of this stuff. She thinks she
can be a leader of the Republican Party in the
United States. She's thinking she can be a United States Senator,

(48:41):
when the reality is is that she probably will always
be somebody who can win election from a very conservative district.
Her district is in suburban Atlanta. The city of Atlanta's
unbelievably liberal. Some of the suburbs outside of Atlanta are
very conservative. That's what she's She's Rome Georgia. She represents
an area that's kind of appending extended suburbs of Atlanta

(49:04):
and down there. They like the fact that she's feisty,
and they're overlooking some of her wacko ideas about the
rothschild sending lasers from space which started the wildfires, and
a bunch of other crackpot things that she threw out
because she was gutsy and stood up for Trump. And
they liked the fact that she's on a bat she's
wearing the red, white, and blue end she's shouting. You know,

(49:24):
AOC will trying to shout down Trump and she'll shout
her right back down. She's got a distinct likes that.
But in the meantime, it's pretty clear that there are a
whole lot of mainstream Republicans are rerounized. Okay, she's pretty
nice in this robe, but well, you can't give her
anything important. So she wanted to run for the Senate,
and Trump said, I'm not going to support you for
the Senate. You can stay in your House seat. She
had is to fit over this, and she doesn't think

(49:44):
she That's how I think this all started. And therefore
she started looking for areas to oppose Trump. But she
started saying Trump spending too much time on foreign policy.
By the way, this notion that's Trump fitting Trump. Trump
is a guy who is able to take his daily
time and have it add up beyond one hundred percent.
Trump spends a lot of time on foreign policy. He

(50:06):
spends a lot of time domestic policy. He spends a
lot of time analyzing NFL quarterbacks. He spends a lot
of time on everything. The guy's unbelievable. He's like the
anti Tony Evers. Tony Evers adds up the time he's
allotted into his day, and instead of adding up to
one hundred percent of time, it adds up to like
nine percent. He didn't do anything all day. But anyway,

(50:28):
she took that shot. So Trump fired back, and now
she quits the Congress. Now here's the thing that I
want to analyze. Why would you quit the House? She
can be on the outs of Trump and still be
in the house. Why did she do that? Now? As
you know, I wouldn't be asking this if I didn't

(50:49):
have a theory. One of the things that afflicts people
that go into politics is their ego. Many of them
put themselves above the cause, all sides, left, right, and

(51:09):
so on. They're driven by ego and power, and they
don't care so much about the issue per se as
they do about getting ahead. Most people don't run for office,
don't have those issues. You wonder, well, you know, I just,
for example, I think that the pissing match that's going
on right now between say Tucker Carlson and Mark Levin

(51:32):
is as much about ego as it is anything else.
They've got one issue that they disagree on, and that
has to do with Israel, and they're turning it into
this blood feud. And I just think it's because who's
the bigger deal is all that's driving the two of them,
rather than Okay, we have this one difference, you don't
have to turn it into World War ninety six. I

(51:53):
think Marjorie Taylor Green wants to run for president. She's saying, Okay, fine, Trump,
you don't want to let me be a senator, I'll
just run for president. Now. I think Trump sized things
up with regard to her. Remember George as a swing state,
it's really close to dead. Even there were the seven
swing states, and the president's election, George is one of them.

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In the next senatorial election, if she's the Republican nominee,
she's somebody that people in the middle can't stand. They
think she's nuts. Republicans may love her, but the swing
voter city side elections in swing states don't. And Trump
understands that. He understands that you've got to have somebody
that can win a general election in Georgia. And he
thinks that she's so I mean, you'd be able to

(52:35):
fundraise like crazy against her, And that's what he told her.
She didn't want to hear it, so she said, fine, okay,
I won't. You can't stop me from running for president.
And she size it up the potential Republican opponents and
it's basically maybe Rubio, but probably not and JD Vance.
JD Vance has to align himself with Trump or Trump

(52:58):
will exile him from the orbit. So Marjorie's thinking, I'll
be you off here. If I'm the anti Trump candidate.
JD has to be the pro Trump candidate. I can
make this one on what so what does that have
to do with her resigning from the House. A good question.
Let's imagine Marjorie stays in the House. In the House, basically,

(53:20):
what you do is you vote and every one of
these issues that's coming up in front of the House.
You remember, the Republicans have this tiny majority in the House.
They need everybody's vote. They can only have two or
three that wander off each time, and most of the
issues the Republicans are all unified because it's either a
really lefty position or the Republican position. If she keeps

(53:40):
voting with Trump on everything, she's not able to go
out there and take all of her shots on Trump.
By being out of the House, however, she can start
a podcast and she can do the tour of the
lefty media that she's been doing. She popped up on
the View, she's been on CNN, she's gonna be over
an MSNBC, She's going to be every She'll probably try
to get herself into the Tucker Carlson orbit. She's going

(54:03):
to go into all of the places right now that
are anti Trump, including those left of center and will
Bass Trump it's hard for her to pull off this
batching Trump when she's voting with Trump on every vote
in the House, which she'd have to do. Secondly, she'd
really hack off a lot of Republicans if she started
voting with the lefties on everything. So therefore she sees
they need to be out of there altogether, and now

(54:25):
is untethered to nothing. She's tethered to nothing really other
than her own thing. I think the problem she will
face and trying to be the female version of Trump
is I think she's not. I don't think Marjorie Taylor

(54:46):
Greena is stupid. I don't think that, but I don't
think she's anywhere near as smart as Trump. And some
of the ideas that she's thrown around indicates somebody that's
a little unhinged. And remember a lot of this was
she was trying to get her attention for herself. She
first ran for the Congress in eighteen. She came up
with this thing. The California wildfires were started by the
Rothschilds are a famous Jewish family, and she said that

(55:08):
they had a laser in space and it coached. And
then when she was called anti semitic over she said
I didn't know the roth Childs were Jewish. I don't
know what's crazier not knowing that the roth Childs were Jewish,
or thinking that they are spending their time hiring lasers
to set off wildfires in California. Here's a name for you.

(55:36):
It's been in the news. Sheila Sherphilus McCormick. She's the
Democratic congresswoman from Florida. She's been indicted, and this doesn't
appear to be one of those cases of Trump getting
back at people. There's been very little Democratic defense of her.
They're simply trying to use her cast to try to

(55:58):
go after other reput for a republic who didn't do
anything as bad. In her instance, she owns a company
in Florida. She's accused of conspiring to steal five million
dollars from FEMA. Now, remember I alluded to this story
earlier on when I was talking about the federal programs

(56:18):
with regard to emotional disabilities and emotional to support animals
and so on. FEMA is the agency that hands out
disaster funds. And anybody who opposes FEMA, oh you're not.
You don't want to help people who have had been
the victims of a disaster. People who are scammers eyeball,

(56:40):
something like FEMA and the dollars signs are flying around
to their heads. Now, obviously some federal programs are easier
to scam than others. After Katrina, I mean the stories
about the fraud that occurred after Katrina. You know, everything

(57:02):
was torn down, There weren't enough contractors. All these chuck
out of trucks drove themselves down to New Orleans after Katrina,
and they did these repairs, and who knows what the
actual repair actually costs, but they're submitting reimbursements into the many,
many fortunes. And in many cases the building was never
going to The building was just a dump and a
shack and it needs this out or the other thing.

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The company that Chapilas McCormick owned is a family business
that's involved in healthcare. When COVID broke out, Remember there
was that disaster declaration that Biden gave. Remember that that
meant that FEMA was in a position to administer some

(57:45):
of the vaccine grants she applied for. One see, in
order to get these vaccine grants, though, you had to
do vaccinations. I'm willing to bet that if you went
and check these records. There are some people that have
been vaccinated eighteen thousand, five hundred and fifty times that
they are on papers have been vaccinated right and left.
Because there are double and triple and quadruple and homet

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Who knows how many reimbursements are going in. Who's been caught. Now,
she's trying to play the race card. I'm a successful
African American woman. They're targeting me over this. But I
know she isn't getting a lot of support, either in
Florida or anywhere else. It means probably a lot of
people figure that she has been scamming this. And we
just had a case in the state of Wisconsin, a
big deal. The other area where there's a lot of

(58:30):
scams home health care or home childcare services. Who's checking
suppose Paul said, Let's say Paul has his wife set
up a home childcare business in they're reimbursing for nine
kids being in there every day. How many times do
they get State bureaucrack comes in and sees if there's
nine kids in there. That's just it. So again, whenever

(58:52):
anybody tries to draw attention to any of these programs,
saying that we're spending too much money on that. People say, well,
now you're a not for child career, not for disaster relief,
or you weren't for getting people vaccinated. With regard to
COVID and without regard to your position on the actual issue,
these become just easy targets for fraud, and the only
way to stop it is for the punishment to be harsh.

(59:16):
This woman needs, first of all, her political career needs
to end. The Democrats are not removing her from Congress. Well,
she's only been charged you sexually harassed somebody. They'll run
you out of Congress instantly, without regard to whether or
not you're a conviction. But you can be accused of
stealing five million dollars in federal money. She's gonna be
staying there forever. Now, why do the Democrats want her

(59:38):
to stay and not reside? They need her vote? Why
did I just tell you? With regard to Marjorie Taylor Green,
the Republican margin is minuscule. So if sherpullis McCormick resigns.
First of all, she's got from a very democratic district
in Florida. There aren't many districts in Florida that overwhelming
the Democratic but hers is she's county, she will that

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seat will always be held by a Democrat. Secondly, the
other reason a lot of Democrats are not coming to
her back is they're going to be able to get
a Democrat that they find less distasteful than her in
that seat. But until the election next year, they wanted
to stay around without regard to how crooked she is,
and given how slowly the criminal justice system works, there

(01:00:25):
won't be a conviction prior to that. And I'm sure
they'll tell her at some point, you're going to take
a plea deal. She'll take a plea deal, but she
won't take the plea deal until after the election in
November of next year, because once she takes the plea deal,
she'd have to resign her seat in the Congress. The

(01:00:45):
people that are voting for all these Marxist mayors, one
of the things that you think would happen that just
doesn't happen is they never seem to think that all
the crap that's happening in all the other cities that
have Marxist mayors will happen in their city. People tried
to say this to the people of New York Do
you want to be Seattle? Do you want to be
Los Angeles? And they just can't connect that. It's the

(01:01:06):
Marxism that's the problem. They think, well though, its people
just have dumb mayors. It's not because they're Marxists. To
my retort, I just to my I simply used Chicago
as a retort of all the big cities in the
I guess you could throw New York in here. You know,
all over the United States, downtowns had gone on hard times.

(01:01:26):
They started to bounce back when the millennials moved to
downtown's like like they have in Milwaukee to live. But
you remember, you know, downtowns were the big shopping areas
and the entertainment districts and so on, and then malls
came in and downtown's became they struggled in most of them,
they're just offices. Chicago was the city Who's downtown that

(01:01:50):
never happened, Michigan Avenue, the Magnificent Mile, beautiful, the whole,
the Lower the Loop area, a little bit more downs scale,
but still vibrant as lefty as Chicago was prior to
two mayors ago. When Lightfoot got in. They never really

(01:02:12):
had a crazy idiotic mayor. They were always Democrats, mind you,
but they were mayors that understood that Chicago bank rolls
everything in the quality of life, all the money that
comes out of this this is what we need in
order to pay for all of our lefty stuff and
so on. But these Marxists have a different view. In part,

(01:02:33):
they don't believe in locking people up and they don't
believe in incarcerating them. So it starts with the crime.
It always starts at the crime, and the crime creates
the snowball effect. The crime starts, the businesses start to leave.
Businesses start to leave, so now it's not attractive to residential.
Now the business of residential are down, so even more
businesses leaving. It keeps snowballing and snowballing and snowballing. If

(01:02:57):
I remember back in my younger days, I mean, just
always go to Chicago on Christmas time. It was so beautiful.
I mean they lit it up. I mean Michigan Avenue
itself at night. It was brighter than in daytime. The
lights in the street, the street is so wide, all
the stores are decorated up. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Well they
still have the Christmas tree lighting do you hear about

(01:03:18):
what happened at the Christmas tree lighting? Three hundred teens
show up and riot. This is happening now at almost
every downtown Chicago thing. If there's a thing that brings
in like people from the suburbs and a lot of others,
it's their opportunity. They have no fear of consequences. They
figure there's three hundred of us. Worst case scenario, the

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cops will grab nine of us, and when they do
grab nine of us, they won't do anything to us
because the lefties run Chicago. So they had a riot.
Five people were shot, one critical condition, gunshot wound to
the torso. Multiple police officers were attacked and injured with

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mace and stun guns. See, the police officers in Chicago
know that they can't respond to violence with violence. They
can't use the kind of force that's being directed at them.
It used to be what the cops would do is
they would mace the criminals and they would, you know,
they would tase them. Now the criminals are coming in
with this stuff, firing out at the cops who can't
do anything in response. So how'd you like to be

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Let's suppose you're somebody who lives on the North Shore
of Chicago, and okay, we'll come down for the Christmas
tree lighting. And you saw this and you're fearful for
your life. Never again. Now you'd like to argue to
other liberals, Okay, fine, elect one of your stupid, dope
liberal mayors. You know, the Tom Barretts and John Northis
of the world are a dime a dozen. You can't
do this. And I will say, as adult as may

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Or Chevy is, he's not a Marxist. You know, we
have disorder on Water Street. It's not like they don't
do anything to stop it, but once it actually starts,
they realize, okay, we have to do something. They're not
of the opinion let them do it. But that's what
you get when you get with Marxism. The challenge is
always going to be to persuade the lefties who live

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in these big cities that the Marxists and all the
other cities are have the same mentality and mindset as
the Marxist that's running for office in your own city.
And now to this story, there are two types of criminals.
What do you do you think you know what the
two types are. Yes, you got it, smart and dumb.

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I was gonna stay smart. It's stupid. I think stupid
sounds what's worse, stupid or dumb. I think stupid is
a lower level of dumb, don't you. Yes, I think
like lots of people in dumb, I mean dumb. I'm
you know, I'm all excited. I uh, did I push
or lose my football? Pick? Was my line? Two and

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a half? I thought it was either two and a
half or three. It was in both plays, and I
don't remember what it was. And we did our contest.
I thought it was three on the radio. But well, yeah,
I do want it right now. How hard is it
for you to find these things? Three? I pushed, I pushed,

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I tied. Yeah, I tied. I lost four in a row.
So the point that I was making before Paul got
all laddled off on this is for me tying, rather
than this is actually a victory. I didn't lose five
weeks in a row. I have at one in the ages.
But I tied on my pick. You won your game

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by half a point, didn't you mean embarrassing? Just by
the way, Let me throw this in real quickly. The
Bears are eight and three. Do you believe they have
been outscored on the season. Mathematically, that's almost impossible. The
only way that can happen is in your three losses,
you get slaughtered so bad that that margin of loss

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and your three losses overwhelms the margin of victory. At
eight games, it usually means you get your come up
and s and hopefully that'll be in the two games
they play against Green Bay. Anyway, we're the two types
of criminals. You have to amend your answer because you're
ninety nine percent correct, smart and stupid. This story is that?

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Which type do you think this story is going to
be about? Stupid? I mean some crooks are smart, like
the ones that's target scamming the government for everybody, Like
the Congress from Florida has caught ninety seven zillion get
away with it. You know. The FEMA is just ripped,
ripped off right and left, all right. This couple's name
is Ricardo and Anna Puentes. They're from Watertown. They went

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into the Saint Vincent to Paul's store on Pelwaukee. This
according to the Waco shop freeman. First of all, I
just the places you're gonna go to, Like I don't
for the Saint vincent to Paul. Stuff is really cheap
to begin with, right, I know, and am again I'm
can't say I'm familiar. Maybe there's like no security at

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all there because of the nature. I mean, I don't
think they've got security cameras of the whole thing. They well,
I mean, this is the Pewauculan. I just don't know.
Oh it's in the story. I didn't even read that part.
Oh that's how they caught the other part of it.
You're right about that anyway, that's they go into shoplift. Okay,
people go into shoplift everywhere. Now, I know a little

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bit about shoplifting. First of all, there's YouTube videos and
shoplifting all over the place. What's the primary goal of
shop Well, obviously to steal the stuff. But in terms
of the way you shoplift, what's the most important thing
to know? Well, don't draw attention to yourself. Don't draw
attention to yourself. So the couple's going into shoplift. While shoplifting,

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the guy grabs up a twelve year old girl. What
shoplifting isn't enough, Let's do child mollist anyway. Now it's
not clear would they have caught him or not. But
the little girls said she reported this. They checked the
security video and they see that they were shoplifting. I
know this. Who's the angriest person about the whole thing?

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The wife? First of all, what do you do, I'm
grabbing a prop of year old girl. You're here with me. Secondly,
we would have gone away with the stuff that we swiped,
but you couldn't keep your hands to yourself. Ricardo and
Anna Puent's and then they questioned him, and of course
he admits it. I honestly think that if I had

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that kind of problem, I'm molesting twelve year old children.
I'm pretty sure even if they showed me the video,
I would still deny it. But he admitted it. Let's see.
I love hearing the statements of stupid criminals. Obviously it's
a terrifying story, but the good thing is the pervertsmen
caught and the little girl, the fact that this happened

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to her. I don't want to put this in the
wrong way, but the fact that she quickly alerted everyone,
she's helped prevent anybody else from doing this, and she
could consider herself a hero here rather than a victim.
And the criminal plaint said The twelve year old old
reported to her mother in November nine that she was
at the Pewaukee Saint Vincent de Paul's store earlier that
they shopping with friends and a pair of one of

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them when a man and a parent of one of
them when a man touched her inappropriately on her backside.
She reported the man had been following her around the
store and made her feel uncomfortable, and that he brushed
up against her but had repeatedly gotten uncomfortably close to her.
Police reviewed surveillance cameras from that day on the store
on which the man is seen touching the girl. Were

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touching the girl's butt with his left hand. The complaints said.
He was also seen leaving the store with a full
purse that was empty when his wife carried it in.
So the guy has the purse, the white frid and
the empty person. Suddenly he's the guy that's smuggling out
of the purse, and then he's so if they he
would have gotten away, was they would have gotten away?
Was stealing the stuff if the goof hadn't grabbed the

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butt of the twelve year old girl who ratted him out.
Oh I love cameras everywhere I love the fact that
the girl told their parents about the fact that it
happened in the yacht. You gotta love the fact that
the Saint Vincent of Paul store had the cameras in there.
And I don't know about the citizenship status of the
point his family here, but I will tell you this,
I want the book thrown at this creep. The wife.

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She needs to be prosecuted for shop lipping. You don't
give her a pass of this. I want the book
thrown at this creep. Well may this may well be.
I mean, I did not have an opportunity to run
his criminal background check and so on. And the problem
with credit a criminal background check is in Wisconsin. All
that shows up is Wisconsin, and often people will be

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from numerous states, and there may be lots of other things.
But oh yeah, that's in here somewhere. I didn't breathe
the entirety of the quote. I jump on ahead. Yeah,
he pretty much acknowledges he's a pervert. Let's see the
Raccuto Puente said he was attracted to the girl. What
a don't be thing to admit. I mean, let's go

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to Mark Belling's Perfect World and figure out what the
punishment of this is it's just a question of which
body part do we want to cut off more? I
mean the hands. He's shoplifting with the hands and that's
what he's grabbing with, or there's another body part that
we could go after. But he was stupid to think

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to touch her. Well stupid? Is he as stupid? He
admits his stupidity. He's also depraved in a monster, the
complaint said. But he indicated that he stopped himself as
he started to reach for her. When that actually that's
not real smart either. I mean the guy say so
he's stick in his arm out. The girl kind of

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saw that it was coming out there, but stick at
his arm out. You see him on the security camera. Anyway,
when Shona recorded image of him touching her, he responded
by saying, I need help. Maybe he can go to
the same shrinks that. Maybe he can go to what's
her call up? What's his name? Sass over there and

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he can have his girlfriend give him a fill out
a fifteen minute question here and send a letter say
on that the I mean, there are people listening to
me who probably know this guy, this sass and the
psychologist who looks at a form and then puts in
a person's name and signs their name to it and
claims that she's a competent metal health professional as opposed

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to what everybody knows. These two are. What. Yeah, I
messed up and not had these thoughts for a long
time until he went into the Saint Vincent de Paul store,
apparently to shoplift. I'm sure the wife's wool thing is fine.
You go and do that. You're a door stealing our

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stuff going out of the park. All of this stuff
I had, like, I don't even know what you gotta think. See,
I'm thinking at the Pewaukee Saint Vincent de Paul, you
there might be some halfway decent stuff in there. Well, yeah,
this is Peewaukee. This is not like uh this, it'd
be like you're seeing Vincent DePaul and see in in
uh in, what's her name? Cedarburgh in there? You don't
have one? Do you have a Salvation army? Or are

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you claiming that Cedarburgh won't even allow that kind of slumming?
Or I know what it is, you Cedarburgh. Rich people,
you're so cheap, you don't donate anything and give it away.
You're you simply have your wives go and put the
thing up on eBay rather than giving it away to
poor people or whatever. Well, I mean, of course they
look like like like like crooks, and he looks like

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a pervert. But whenever you see somebody that you already
know is a pervert, I mean there's the whole you know,
Pewee Herman. Everybody believed it because he just looks like
he's a pervert. The Woody Allen thing is the closest
call I think. I the Woody Allen thing is more
than a quarter century old, and all we know is

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the evidence of what people have said on both sides.
I'm fifty to fifty as to whether or not he
did it. I just do you think Woody Allen did it?
You do? I just his denials are credible. His accuser
is not credible in the sense that it was part

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of one of the most public breakups of Victorial of
all what he yelled at me and Pharaoh of I mean,
this was World War I talked with Well, it was
just hatred between the two of them, in which you
could certainly see her prompting one of the kids to
say this. The thing of it is with regard to

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any kind of pervert. I always look as to whether
or not there's a pattern, and that's where the Woody
Allen thing becomes problematic. There's a little bit of a pattern,
but not much. I mean, he married his wife's stepped up.
People keep confusing that Sung Ye was also right around
of age when he married her. But Sunyi was not

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Woody Allen's child. He was onre Previn's child and me
as child. They adopted Sun Yee. It was never his child.
And he made the movie Manhattan in which his girlfriend
and the movie is seven. The oddest thing to me
about Manhattan is when that came out, nobody was bothered
by this at all. And people point out at that

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time the age of consent in New York was was seventeen,
so it was not illegally he was doing it. But
I mean, it's one of the most praise movies of
all time. In the movie, he's having an affair with
a seventeen year old and nobody was bothered by That's
part of it. In fact, the implication was that the
happy ending was it looked like they were gonna hook up,
she went off to Paris or whatever and so on. Now,
if you made a movie about some old geezer point

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on a seventeen year old. It would be you couldn't.
It's not even succeptible in pornography to do that, for
Heaven's sakes, So I don't. Other than that, though, there
have never been other accusers that have come forward to
my knowledge against Woody Allen. And you know the whole
Ron and Pharaoh thing. That's Dylan's sister and he had

(01:17:12):
an axe to grind. I think there's a good chance
he didn't do it. I think there's a good chance
he did do it. I'm undecided on that issue. I'm
never undecided. They always have these polls, you know, a
gallup pool forty nine, forty eight percent, this three percent undecided,
always wort. How are these people who can't make them
with their minds? He's undecided and this one I'm undecided.

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This is the Mark Belling podcast. Let's talk about football.
Do you want to talk about football? All right? Let's
start with the state high school fight. Did you go
to these games that? Did you crap out because it
was too cold for you? You were there? Did you
stay for all three of them or not? Did you
stay for all three of them? Or not. I thought

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you were. You said you were going to all three games.
Well now you changed so you only went to the
one game. Well, I'm gonna quickly comment because I watched
all three of these games because on Friday, as you know,
I sit on my rein and don't do anything, and
it's the daytime. What a perfect in their sports during
the daytime on TV that is at a replace. So
I watched all three games. Grafton won the Division III game.

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It wasn't the last play of the game, but it
was fourth thout. It was they had no time outs left.
There's I think twelve seconds on the clock. Kid kicks
a thirty five yard field. You talk about pressure, We
talk about how kids have such snowflakes and pressure and
anxiety and all of this stuff. How'd you like to
be a kid knowing that you are going to remember
for the rest of your life. You either want to

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state championship with your kick or you cost your team
a state championship by going wide left. That is pressure.
Thirty five isn't that long, but for high school it's
a kid, it's a kick. Any put it through. So
that was they won their game on a field. Go
West to Pier won the kind of it's not really
Crosstown but close west to peer beat Green Bay Notre Dame,

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which is the Catholic school from the Green Bay area.
That was a pretty good game. And then the Division
One game. I need to bring this up because it's something.
What happened is something that I saw more than once
this more than once this weekend. It happened in an
NFL game too. Bayport was playing Arrowhead and it was
a back and forth game of two really high powered teams.

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And you know, Arrowhead scored Bayport's driving down the length
of the field with time running out, and they had
almost no time to go to the length of the field,
and they got down to the eleven year I should
mention Arrowheads up by three points, and Bayport completed a

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couple of long passes and got to the eleven and
the kid catches the ball with one second left, which
stopped the clock one more second and none of this
even comes up. Caught them with one second left, and
it looked like the crack operator did not help or hurt.
It looked like the clock stopped right when I don't
recall a few out of bounds in the out of

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timeout or what it was, but the clock properly stopped
after the catch. You're down by three, you're on the eleven.
The Bayport coach elected not to kick a tying field goal,
which would have sent the game into overtime, and decided
to go for the win on fourth and eleven. Well,

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they didn't do it. The coach is the son of
the son of Steve Jorgenson. Steve Jorgensen was the guy
that won state championship at Oshkosh North and he started
the dynasty at Kimberly. Another guy took over after him
and continued the Kimberly dynasty. This is his son, and
he won a championship with Bayport last year. And what

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we don't know They mentioned on TV that their kicker
was three for three on the season. Here's the thing
with teams that go to the state championship. They usually
slaughter everybody during the season, so they're probably not. I mean,
I'll watch Baseport. You can just see how for most
teams they played their probably scoring it will. They never
needed to kick a field goal because they were scoring touchdowns.
So were they making that? Did they make the decision

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that they couldn't trust their kicker with the game on
the line, they hit a twenty eight. It's the same
thing that the Grafting kid was facing. That was for
the win in the game, rather than this was just
for a tie that he didn't trust his kicker to
be able to respond to the pressure. Or did they
just think that they had to play that they could
make worth and fourth and if it's one thing to
go forward and fourth and one or fourth and two.
They went foot and fourth and eleven and they didn't

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make it. He said, I asked my players and they
said go for it. First of all, if you're the
coach of the team, you're the guy that's supposed to
make that decision. I would not put that. I would
not put that on the kids. That is different from
Mark Johnson, the Badger hockey coach, where they had a
penalty shot to tie the National Championship game. He said,

(01:21:51):
who wants it? He was looking for a player who
was not going to shy away from that moment. And
that's a separate thing from Yeah, I think that that's
not a good answer. I think I think you should
say it's my decision and I'm gonna live or die
with it, and that's the reason he's the coach. I mean,
I mean by that standard, I mean the coach is
never going to call any plays either. Then the same

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thing happened. The New York Giants are playing Detroit and
Packers played Detroit on Thursday. Hard to say if Detroit's
that good or not. I just they were going to
lose that game. The Giants had the ball at the
end of the game. It was fourth First of all,
it was third down. They had got the ball down

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to the one yard line and proceeded to lose yard
age and they're running wide plays. So it's fourth and
goal of the sixth and you're just assume they're going
to kick the field goal to send the game into overtime.
They went for it. You know, this is against Detroit.
That Campbell the coach at Detroit, he is famous for
always going for it at fourth down. But this is
fourth and sixth. It wasn't fourth and two, and a
couple of his players took It's an interim coach with

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the Giants that already fired their coach. So I'm guessing
this is an interim coach auditioning for the job. And
I think we now know what's gonna happen. He's not
gonna get he's not getting the job at the it happen.
You just see this trend now, and it started with
this whole analytics thing. Go for it, goal for it,
goal for it, go for it. The problem, as I've said,
with analytics, is it's talking about in the overall in

(01:23:19):
a situation, not that precise situation. It's calculating generically each
team and doesn't take into consideration home field, how good
the other team's defense is playing, who has the momentum,
doesn't calculate any of those things. And let's talk real

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quickly about the Packers again. The strength of the Packer
team is the defense. And you can debate a lot
of things about green Bay, but you can't debate the
trade for Michael Parsons. He has been the final piece
of the puzzle that has given Green Bay an incredibly
good defense. Their pass rush is outstanding, they're very good
against the run game. I mean, Packers are playing on

(01:24:05):
defense eleven against nine. Given the fact that three guys
are blocking Parsons, that means two other defenders don't have
to worry about anybody that's out there. The caveat, of course,
is is that. I think Minnesot's very good football team
and is a very good defense, but the Viking quarterback
is joke. I mean, maybe in three years JJ McCarthy
will be able to play, but he's got good receivers
and a good offense around him, and he's just pretty bad.

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So the Packers are a team whose offense is still
to me, not clicking, but their defense is carrying them.
And I've often said, of the two, I'd rather have
a strong defense that a strong offense. I think the
offense is enough personnel in it that it can come around,
but the defense is really it's the defense is really good. Well,

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Josh Jacobs was not playing very well when he was
healthy because he's been playing injured all year. But the
offensive is doing a pretty good job of run blocking. Unfortunately,
it's not doing much of a job of pass protection.
It's been very hard for Jordan Love to throw long
because he's never has enough time to be able to
throw long. With regard to the Wisconsin Badgers, I mean,
you talk about an unusual season. They have beaten two

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ranked teams. The Badgers are four and seven, yet the
fans have stormed the field after a win twice which
you just wouldn't think would happen with a team that's
four and seven. The last six teams Wisconsin has played
ranked in the top twenty five as of the time
they played them, and eight of the teams that they've
played this year have been ranked at one time in

(01:25:37):
the top twenty five. Nonetheless, I think it's accurate to
say that some of those losses, it doesn't matter if
they were playing a team that was ranked or not,
they were terrible. In the case of Wisconsin. What I
think has happened here is Fickle has built one of
the best defenses in America and he has a terrible offense.
And again, of the two, particularly in college, you know
you turnover transfer portal recruiting, you can bring in new players.

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I think it is harder to build a great defense
in college because there are so many good offenses. But
I think that Wisconsin made the right decision in bringing
Fickle back. The key now will be to have enough
money in that program to stop guys from transferring. And
there have been a lot of teams in college football
that have been firing the coach and nobody's addressing the
real problem unless you have alumni that are going to

(01:26:21):
pull out the check book and start writing out massive checks.
You're going to lose players to the schools that do this.
I was talking about this as somebody over the weekend.
Don't the Badgers have like techzillionaires. The problem with tech
billionaires is that they don't care about sports. They care
about the biotech lab at all of that. You know
what kind of alumni care about sports. Guys in the
oil business and so on. That's how these Texas schools

(01:26:43):
have all this money because that's the thing that they're
motivated by. But they're going to have to do a
better job of paying players, and particularly if you have
a freshman who has a good season, you got to
pay of it. People say, well I don't like that, Well,
then you don't like college sports. That is what it is.
Whether you like that, that's what the situation here is.
It's the reality. The other problem, and we talked about

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it with Mike Brolette, is Wisconsin has been plagued by
injuries to a level that you wonder if it's beyond
a coincidence. But with only a couple of exceptions, it's
been confined mostly to the offense. Well, the training staff
works on both sides of the balls. I'm guessing the
injuries more have more to do with the fact that
the offense wasn't any good, meaning guys are likely to

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be banged around and overmatched and and so on. And
finally this I'm prepared to declare that Formula one in
Las Vegas is a failure. This was announced with such fanfare.
The race was Saturday night, and I'm telling you, I,
other than people that are Formula one geeks, did anybody

(01:27:48):
even know what was going on? They started they started this,
there was so much hype over the whole thing, and
they're going to run the race on the strip and
so on. I just think that other than people into
Formula one, other people were watching college football going on
and going out on Saturday night. It's just it's become
an afterthought on the Formula one schedule. They've got two

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American races late and the season in there, so the
Formula one is winding itself down with races going on
in the one country that doesn't seem to care that
much about Formula One. I mean, Formula one gets watched
in America when it's on TV when there's nothing else on.
The races in Europe around on Sunday mornings. People will
watch it then, but the whole thing in Vegas and

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Saturday night, plus from what I've been able to pick up,
everybody in Vegas hates it because they close the streets
for three to four weeks to set up the course.
I mean, the strip is closed, the side streets are closed.
Visitors who want to come in, and it's still sort
of in season in November. The room rates are inflated
because all the Formula one people are in town. The
casinos don't like it because apparently the people aren't those

(01:28:53):
aren't really gamblers that come in for all of this,
and they've unfortunately they're saddled with a ten year contract.
But I think and everybody, everyone, maybe not everyone knows
Vegas is really hurting. The visitor count is down, and
the casino operators are saying, we've got to change things
and realize we've been doing too much overcharging with these

(01:29:14):
resort fees and gouging people in the whole you can
go to Vegas and not spend a lot of money.
Thing has gone well. We've got an economy in which
everybody's cutting back. Walmart's booming, and nobody else is because
of the situation in the economy, and it's hitting Vegas.
But also I think Vegas. And when I say Vegas,
I mean the people marketing Vegas took their eyes off

(01:29:35):
the ball. They're putting their eyes on the ball on
the Formula one crowd and not the regular old American crowd.
The Vegas crowd is. They have this event in December
every year that packs the places in the slow season.
It's the rodeo that the Vegas crowd. The Vegas crowd
isn't Formula one and chasing all of these high end
rich people, the rich and famous, the glitterati from all

(01:29:57):
over the world. Those are people so who may come
in for one thing, but they're not going to build
any loyalty for you. And in the meantime, you're crowding
out what your loyal customer base has been for so long.
And I think that those statements are not even controversial.
I think almost probably everybody now agrees with that. I

(01:30:19):
want to quickly tell you about our schedule this week.
For Thanksgiving week, our next podcast will as usual, be
released on Wednesday. We are going to be doing our
football preview and picks on the Wednesday podcast normally it's
on Thursday, but with the Packers playing early in the
day on Thursday and so on, we're going to do
our football segment with Mike. We're doing that on Wednesday's podcast,
the one that will be released in the middle of

(01:30:39):
the week, and the third podcast, which would normally come
out on Thursday, that's Thanksgiving Day, so we're releasing on
Friday morning. In other words, Black Friday morning. So the
third podcast of the week will be released on Friday morning.
I just think it's more appropriate that we put it
out at that point. So that's when you'll be able
to find all of them. Man, keep listening in. That's

(01:31:00):
all you need to know. Yeah, that's Thanksgiving game. I
just yeah, and in Detroit, and the whole thing seems
like a loss. But I mean then I watched Detroit
play and they're not the same team without the two
coordinators that they have last year. Who knows what'll happen.

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