Mark takes a deep dive into the failings of psychiatry from the Morgan Geyser case to the drug abuse epidemic that may have its roots in ADHD drugs. President Trump tries to navigate immigration policy by deporting illegals but welcoming needed skilled workers with H-1B visas. The Democrats urge troops to defy orders and our weekly football preview (it's early this week because of Thanksgiving)
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I want to open today's podcast by reminding you of
a lawsuit that was filed a few days ago. It's
gotten a fair amount of attention. The families of two
young people who committed suicide are suing chat GPT. Chat
GPT is by far the largest search engine premise on
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artificial intelligence. The individuals who committed suicide have been asking
chat gpt about suicide and suicidal thoughts. Now, as I
say it's artificial intelligence, they call these things chatbots. In
other words, it's robotic, it's based on program I'm thinking.
And the response is that chat GPT gave them, didn't
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do anything to talk to them out of suicide. It
essentially validated their suicidal thoughts. We understand why you feel
like this, etc. So lawsuits are being filed here that
rather than use common sense, chat GPT showed no sense whatsoever.
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I'm going somewhere with this. Chat ept is based on
automated learning, all sort of sorts of inputting what are
we saying now to all the young people in our
society who are screwed up or delusional or have bad thoughts,
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instead of knocking them into reality and telling them to
stop thinking this way, all we're doing is validating artificial
intelligence only knows what it's been told. There is a
story in the news right now that I think relates
to this directly, and I haven't heard anybody make this point,
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has waived extradition. She's back in Wisconsin from Illinois. I'm
guessing that a lot of you have seen the video
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of her arrest in post in Illinois from the body
cameras of the police officers down there. I'm assuming you've
seen it right. Yeah, everybody's seen. This is a young
woman now twenty three, who about a decade ago, talked
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a friend of hers into attempting to kill Their goal
was to kill a classmate. They're bout fourteenth time. The
idea was to kill the classmate. Less than that, actually
kill the classmate to please this slender bad somebody that
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they actually thought was real, some sort of fictional hero.
Until a few months ago, Morgan Geyser has been in
a statemental facility. That's where she's been sentenced. A judge
earlier in the year ruled she's cured enough to be released.
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She had been in a halfway house in Madison wearing
a GPS bracelet. We know now quite a bit about
what happened. She met somebody even more screwed up than her,
apparently at a church. The guy's name is Chad Mecca.
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He's a biological male, and he's a lot older than her.
He's transitioning, or at the very least considers himself trans
She was dabbling in that herself. At one of her
quarter herings earlier in the year, she declared that she's
a male. She no longer declares that way. She's cut
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her hair short, she's got a name that could be
male or female. And now she's made a friend with
a guy who's starting to identify the other way, who's
a lot older than her. According to the reports, he
was visiting her at the halfway house and would sneak
in through a window and together they must have made
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this plot that she's going to bust out. She cut
off the bracelet and got to pose in Illinois, which
is a little bit south of the Chicago metro area.
They were found by police kind of laying around outside,
apparently out of money, no real plan in mind. The
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body cam video is I thought it was sort of heartbreaking.
Here you have two they're just misfits. You've got this
older guy who's apparently deciding that he's going to be
a woman. He's got the goofiest hair. He's got like
short hair, but then he grows it a little bit
long and dyes it pink. And here's her. She was
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screwed up, and she thought of Fittle character was real,
so real that she was taking instructions in the fictional
character to kill a friend. She then spends about a
decade in a mental institution. She gets out. She has
no friend, she has no connections, she has no anything.
She meets this guy, another odd ball. The two odd
balls bond and they make this run for it. In
the bodycam video, when the posing Illinois police encountered, they
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didn't know how she was. There's just two people that
are sleeping in the backyard on the backside of a building,
and they question her and she doesn't want to give
up her identity. She doesn't want to give her up
her identity because of course there's a war dout for
her because she fled Wisconsin, so she's not giving her identity,
not giving her identity and referring to this Chad Mecca
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as she and kept saying she didn't know who I was.
She didn't know who I was, She didn't know who
I was. Trying to make sure that this Chad doesn't
get in trouble for fleeing with somebody who's not supposed
to flee. My guess is he probably didn't know what
she had done. Bumped into her halfway house. She may
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have come up with something and probably didn't fess up
and said, yeah, I tried to stab a friend of
mine to death. She was pretty adamant about that and
everything else was true. She eventually gave her identification. The
cops kept saying, well, I don't think you wanted for
murder or anything like that. Well, in fact, it was
almost murder. It was attempted murder. And she kept saying
I did something very bad. She didn't know, And you
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see the two of them standing together, kind of like
hugging one another. My guess is that this is your
only friend of the world, and it's a fellow person
who's living outside any kind of any kind of anything
that we living outside of normal. I go back to
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the chat shept responses given to the people who are suicidal?
What kind of treatment has Megan more guys are been
getting all of these years. I'll tell you what I
suspect she's been getting. It's the same message that we're
sending to all the trans people in our society. You're
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perfectly fine validating every idiotic nincompoop choice that they can make,
instead of giving her tough love and telling her what's
real and what isn't and to get into the real
world and no, there's not a slender man, there's none
of this, there's none of that, and then telling her
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you're a young woman you're a girl, you're a young woman.
Every odd selection and choice she was making was probably
reinforced by the shrinks that win a bago when she
was up there. She gets released, her head is almost shaved. She's,
I guess, still a girl in her own mind. I
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have to think of that she's a guy and the
first person that she's a trans attracted to is a
male who's deciding that he's now a t They run off.
There's no real plan, there's no money. She just decides
that she's gonna bust out. She probably feels totally trapped
in the halfway house before the attempted slender man murder.
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What guidance did she get at home? Now? I get that, okay,
my kids into unusual things, and who am I to judge?
You're raising a murderer. Has anybody at any point in
Morgan Geyser's life tried to straighten her out by redirecting
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her to reality. We live in a world in which
the misfits have now validated their misfitness. There's nothing wrong.
I'm okay, you're okay. Well you're not okay. You're miserably
unhappy and you're dysfunctional. I don't believe everyone in psychiatry
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and counseling is a quack, but I think a lot
of them are. Some of them their own lives are
more screwed up than the people that they're treating. I
think Morgan Geyser has been victimized by bad guidance her
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entire life. You heard her, I mean, I think she's
probably still dangerous because she's not tethered to any reality.
But I can't honestly say it's her own fault. When
you saw her in the video, she just seemed like
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a nice, mixed up kid who finally found somebody that
she could bond with. Another misfit in society, pink hair
coming off of a crew cut, a mail hanger. We
can't live in a world in which we try to
put every round circle into a square box. But there
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are certain things that people are doing that are never
going to lead to happiness, And instead of telling them
that it's okay, maybe we need to go back to
understanding that a lot of the attitudes and beliefs and
weirdnesses that people have are actual problems that they need
to be talked out of, not have reinforced. I don't
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think the people at Winnebago have done. Morgan, guys are
a damn bit of good. How good they She's acting
just as weird as she did ten years ago when
she thought that slender Man wanted her to kill somebody.
How could we even say that that's her fault. Imagine
you're a kid and you know you don't fit in,
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so you decide to dabble in really weird stuff and
you start believing weird things. Nobody talks you out of it,
nobody sits you down. You don't have any parents who
try to redirect you in any kind of proper way
toward right and wrong and morality and God. Then you
do something terrible and they punish you forward and you
go to a mental institution. And what did they ever
do to redirect her? We know this, there's probably not
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a moment that she was exposed to any religion whatsoever.
We do know that she went to a church in
Madison when she was at the Halfway House. That's at
least good. But who does she meet this She meets
this guy, and again I don't know what kind of
a church it is. Is it one of these wicked
churches or is it a legitimate church?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
It.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Everybody on the left considers us bigots if we try
to suggest that people are behaving weirdly, how are you
helping them? Telling people no, telling people not, telling people no,
don't do this to your life, and directing them toward
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a path that might find actual long term fulfillment. We
don't do any of that anymore. As for this Chad Mecca,
they released him in Illinois on no charges, and it
doesn't sound to me like he did anything illegal. Did
he know that she's not alive? I mean she cut
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an ankle bracelet on an electronic monitoring bracelet. Off probably
knew that. Did he know what she did? Don't know that?
Does he know the rules on her? I'm guessing she
didn't fess up to it. This looks like another just
sad case of somebody not fitting in, and instead of
being told no, you're a guy, decides that he's a woman.
Figured maybe I'll be happier as a woman because I'm
completely miserably unhappy, can't find anybody to connect with. So
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he sees another sad soul to people who have nothing
going on in their lives, so they attach and they bond.
Who are we helping with all of this, I'll contend nobody.
I want to move to another story that I find related.
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I've had an opinion for years, and I love this one.
You know, people like me will have these opinions based
on anecdotal eleven are quack. You don't know anything about this,
and then years later you start to see the consensus
moving around in that direction. This is a major story
that appeared earlier in the week in the Wall Street Journal.
When I say major, it goes on and on and
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on and on. It's a hell of a story. The
story is reporting on what it states is overwhelming evidence
of a link between kids who are put on the
ADHD pills becoming long term drug addicts. The story reports
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that young people who are prescribed ADHD medication are far
more likely to become a day did to hard narcotics
later in life for many kids. Hey, this is the headline.
For many kids. Add ADHD pills kick off a drug cascade.
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Children prescribed met the medication often wind up on other
powerful drugs. Again, I'm not saying that none of these
drugs have a use. You've got these kids that have
attention deficit disorder and they put them on the riddle
in on the whole thing. But does anybody ever write
any of this, think about the long haul? How do
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they get off? And given that the only normal that
they then have for the first you know, fifteen to
the first twenty years of their life, is this normal
under medication, they have to gravitate to more medication. They've
never lived a non medicated moment in their lives, maybe
from seven years old on. I've been on this repeatedly.
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We're going to come to the conclusion about pot and
the same thing. There are so many cases of people
on pot becoming extremely violent. I think that there's a
link between pot and the people who want to do
trans I think the pot is so powerful that it's
make the linking pot and schizophreny is real. Again, it
doesn't mean everybody uses pot, gets said, but it is
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a side effect that is there. I don't know this,
but I would not be shocked if Morgan Geyser was
popping pills before a slender Man occurred, and that they
were popping her pills right and left when she was
in the shrink house up there in Oshkosh. And again,
these pills are helpful for many people. But go back
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to COVID. I kept preaching against one size fits all,
and then we know with regard to these kids, that
some of these kids sell the pills that they get
and then the dosage thing, take one a day every day,
the same amount every day. You think that that's what's
actually going on in life. These pills are dealing with
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the chemicals that are affecting your brain and move jay.
What could go wrong? And again I'm not indicting them overall,
and not indicting everyone that prescribes them. But when you
take a look at the lot of the problems that
we have with the lack of motivation and the tendency
towards violence, and the level of depression, and people that
seem to have every I mean, the millennials, they thought
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that they were being raised in the worst generation in
American history. Went by every measure you could imagine, it
was the best. How were they feeling so screwed up?
Is it because they were all on some kind of pill.
And now they've got a bunch of hucksters out there
telling use cannabis, use this, use that after the ADHD pills,
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and then when the pot doesn't do enough, then it's
the opioids, that it's the myth. Anyway, it was like
Cranks and the Right questioning this over the years because
we were noticing, well, something's going on, what's causing it?
If I had more time in this segment and I don't,
I talk about the things that must be leading us
forward autism, I think it's all connected. My point now
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is the Wall Street Journal, which is about as conventional
thinking as you can find, they're now on this story.
I hope RFK lasts in his job because I think
that he's somebody open minded enough to be willing to
explore things like this. But if you go back and
take a look at every dysfunction we have, it's the drugs,
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the drugs that drugs, the drugs, and I'm not talking
crack and all of that stuff. I mean drugs that
are sold legally by big Pharma, big Farmer. You know
how much money they're making off of Riddlin and the
classes of drugs like like the Riddlin. They have every
reason dot to tell you that they're perfectly fine, no
side effects, nothing to worry about it. In the same
way that that's the message that they gave us with
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regard to COVID and the same region that they talk
us off of generic drugs that don't cost much of anything.
But I get that they're the drug companies. They're in
it to make a buck. They want to tell you
that the pill that we're selling is good and this
one or this cheap one over here is no good.
The rest of us in society have no particular reason
to accept them as gospel. You have too many doctors
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that are on the path of the drug companies because
of the incentives that they're giving for prescribing, and then
the people that are in the public health field easily swayed.
Every kid is mixed up. I mean, when I was
a kid, it wasn't the crappy mean things that people
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post on the internet about. You know what, I think
you're probably the same thing when people when kids are
mean to one another in the sixth or seventh grade,
what were they doing and what form did that bullying
take place? You're gonna you get close to these things
and then get farther away. You're like the golfer. You're
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twelve feet away from the hole, and you may the
putt and you get to four feet and now you
got to tap in but you hit it two hundred
and now it's seven feet and you just kick you
getting farther and farther away. It was no Remember the
notes that were passed in the class the notes, the notes,
the notes. You don't you didn't have that in your
school all. You don't recall that. Well, maybe that was
already open the time you were in there. The girls
had passed notes like in the fifth and sixtory notes,
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this one's this it you know whoshi and you know
the notes notes, notes, because there's nothing else to communicate,
and you couldn't. Maybe by the time you were in school,
you could just out and out talk right in the classroom,
so they didn't have to pass the notes. So, I mean,
kids pressure. Every kid thinks that the thing that they're
facing is the end of the world. I mean, why
would a fifteen year old commit suicide? You got seventy
five eighty years of life in front of your things
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to get better. Do you ever just think it's so worse.
I'm just glad they didn't have some pill that somebody
would have thought of to give me. Who knows. We
prescribe things without ever considering the long term ramification of
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them because we don't know the long term because they're
mostly new. But if you're looking for why things that
never existed really before are so common, now, ask yourself
what changed. You will inevidently find that somebody was making
a buck off the thing that changed, and that the
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media and the left was shilling for that bad thing
to this day. I don't know if the COVID vaccines
were any good or I still don't know, But if
in fifteen to seventeen years everybody's immune system is going
to be shot, I think you can cook back and say, well,
maybe we shouldn't have been messing with our immune system,
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or maybe we should. But whenever anybody tries to ask
any questions, I'm sure the same thing happened when the
Riddlin and all this stuff was being prescribed right and left.
Parents were just told this is what your kid needs,
this is what your kid needs. In some cases maybe
it was, but I know dog gone well that in
many cases it wasn't. You don't know anything. Who are
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you to question? You're listening to the Markdelling podcast. This
is the Mark Belling Podcast. Interesting column on the Wall
Street Journal by Jason Riley. He's dealing with the juggling
act that President Trump is trying to perform. Trump ran,
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as we all know, Mega America first, now, he asked
the governor, and going back to a discussion point that
I made in the earlier segment, one size fits all.
Trump is also somebody who just prides himself on common sense,
and sometimes his common sense idea doesn't fit in with
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the mega doctrinaire ideology. The point of this column deals
with the H one B visus. I want to share
a portion of it. And by the way, I agree
with Trump. I think that we need H one B
visas for specific jobs in our economy, that we do
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not have enough Americans with the skills to perform them.
I disagree with the people who say that we do.
I think it's apparent that we don't. You have the
CEO of Ford come out and say that they're are
from one hundred twenty thousand dollars a year for mechanics.
By the way, people heard that and they think that
I'm talking about people who work in the audio. No,
the mechanics who work at the factory, in other words,
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high skill mechanics. Of course we have a shortage of them.
But boy o boy ol boy do. We do not
have a shortage of people who majored in women's studies
in college and every other kakamaimi thing for which they're
so jobs. Here's the Jason Riley piece. He writes, it
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has become unfashionable on the political right to say nice
things about foreign nationals, even the ones who came here lawfully.
Just ask Donald Trump, who has struggled to convince the
megabase that legal immigration is a net benefit to America.
To America, welcome to my world, mister President. Part of
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the problem has been White House inconsistency on the issue.
Trump's position on illegal immigration isn't in doubt, but he
can seem indecisive, even self contradictory when discussing migration policies
for those who play by the rules. Last year, for example,
he sided with Elon Musk, a staunch proponent of the
H one B work visa program typically used by foreign
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professionals and fields such as engineering, technology, and medicine. Musk
said he would go to war to defend migration for
skilled workers. Quote the reason I'm in America along with
so many critical people who build SpaceX, Texla, Tesla and
others or of other companies that made America strong is
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because of H one B, Musk wrote in a social
media post in December. Trump soon after told The New
York Post that he too has quote always been in
favor of the program. Now it goes on. I want
to make the following point. The problem with H one
B visas is I think they're wrong in some fields
but needed in others. It's the same problem with wholesale
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legal immigration. For example, when we start resettling legally so
called refugees from countries in which the people hate the
United States, I think the visa should be applied. This
is me now for people who are working in fields
in which they have a skill that we need, but
not for anybody else. So again, is legal immigration good.
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It depends. Things do depend And I think that Trump
is trying to show some common sense here and say, Okay,
we need H one B visas for text, but maybe
we don't need to take in a zillion more refugees
from Somalia who want to come to the United States
and change everything that we have going on in our world.
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Back to the column was the White House suggesting that
hiring practices of the president's own businesses undercut the wages
and employment opportunities of US workers, and threat in national security.
It's hard to tell. What we do know is that
since signing the order, Trump has made several statements in
support of immigrant labor. The piece goes on and then
points out that this is unsettling to some in MAGA world. Now,
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the thing about MEGA is MEGA is about ninety million people,
and they have different views on all sorts of things.
All you though have to do is talk to an
employer who owns a business or as part of charge
of hiring in a business that can't find qualified workers.
At a time in which the economy seems to be slowly,
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we have shortages in any number of areas for all
sorts of reasons. I'll add a point that nobody ever adds. Again,
the pot is a big part of this. Many of
the fields in which their shortages are fields the drug test,
because you can have somebody operating high tech equipment or
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dangerous machinery when they're stoned. You have so many Americans,
and in so many states where they've legalized the pot,
that they've made themselves either ineligible or don't desire to
go into the fields in which they're going to be
drug tested. In the meantime, the behind the scenes of
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the Trump administration following post on social media, Susie Wiles
reportedly on the hot seat is Trump's chief of staff.
Susie Wiles, who was his campaign manager, is clearly and
you saw when she was in the champaign. Susie Wiles
is the person that tried to keep Trump focused. And
I'm sure Susie Wills right now was the one that
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is trying to keep all the mega types away from Trump.
I talk a lot about how Trump is his own
good cop, bad cop and dealing with others, but in
terms of his own staff, he needs a chief of
staff who's going to be the bad cop. Many people feel, however,
that Trump and I recall the same thing happened with
Reagan's a saying in the Reagan administration, Let Reagan be Reagan.
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Reagan had two sets of advisors in his administration. He
had kind of the true believer, a true believer California
conservatives who came with him, and then he had the
pragmatic James Baker types who were more traditional Republicans, and
a lot of conservatives are frustrated that Reagan was wandering
off too much into the middle and into the pragmatic
because he was listening to these old school of Washington advisors.
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My own opinion is the chief of staff a chief
of staff that Trump hass has to block off both sides.
You don't want him going all Washington. On the other hand,
you don't want him to go all Marjorie Taylor Green.
We still do have a country to run. I listen
to some of the things that Tucker Carlson says, and
I think that he's lost his marbles. Trump spending too
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much time on foreign policy. What he's supposed to let
the world go to hell. There's no reason why you
can't do both. What We're not better off if there's
a peace deal in the Middle East, we're not better off.
If he can finally bring peace to Ukraine and Russia,
of course we're better off. And it certainly affects us.
A world going to hell affects us badly. So you've
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got Trump in here, who I think is just hell
bent on being a successful president, and he realizes that
some things you can't always be stridently ideological on because
as I said earlier, it does depend We have tens
of millions of Americans who know how to play computer
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video games that don't have a clue as to how
to do software coding. The shortages in that field are incredible.
Walk past one of the big downtown Milwaukee higher office
high rises. You know who works on the hi rise?
To the tech people?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Do?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I mean? I live near Northwestern Mutual. You can't tell
everybody's ethnicity from them walking down the street, but it
surely looks like a lot of people from India are there.
Why are they hiring people from India? Who else is
going to do all of these jobs? All the people
that have three hundred thousand dollars in student loan debt
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while they're running around with their English literature major, they're
social work majors? Or are they just flunked out and
they're not trained at anything. Let me turn my attention
to the Democratic lawmakers that are encouraging American troops to
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disobey illegal orders. The FBI is now beginning a criminal
investigation into this couple of things with regard to this story.
I know what they're up to the Left is trying
to sow chaos in this country. You can't have the
military not follow the order of the president. You can't
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have the military not follow any orders. There is a
law in this country, or at least a standard, that
the troops are not to follow illegal orders. This is
tested during the Mayli massacre and other things. What illegal
orders did the six Democrats refer to? They didn't say.
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The reason they didn't say is Trump hasn't issued any
illegal orders. Unless the Supreme Court rules that something can't
be done, the order is perceived to be legal. Some
interesting comments extended threads on social media from Pete Heg Sith,
the Secretary of Defense. Get that here first, it's in
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the Department of War, of course, Haig Sith is the Secretary.
The Department of War has received serious allegations of misconducting
against Captain Mark Kelly. Kelly is the Senator from Arizona.
But he's a retired naval officer. By the way, retire
doesn't mean you can do whatever you want, as they'll
point out, in accordance with the Uniform Code of Military
Justice and then it mentions the Codecitation number and other
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applicable regulations. A thorough review of these allegations has been
initiated to determine further actions which may include recall to
active duty for court martial proceedings or administrative measures. This
matter will be handled in compliance with my military law,
insuring due process and impartiality. Further official comments will be
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limited to preserve the integrity of the proceedings. Then from
Hegsas the video made by the seditious Sex was despicable, reckless,
and false. Encouraging our warriors to ignore the orders of
their commanders undermines every aspect of good order and discipline.
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Their foolish screen shows doubt and confusion, which only puts
our warriors in danger. Five of the six individuals in
that video do not fall under the Department of War jurisdiction. Kelly,
of course does as announced. The Department is reviewing his
statements and actions, which were addressed directly to all troops
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while explicitly using his rank and service affiliation, lending the
appearance of authority to his words. Kelly's conduct brings this
credit upon the armed forces and will be addressed appropriately.
And then a day later from Hesith the despicable video
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ordering telling troops to refuse illegal orders may seem harmless
to civilians, but it carries a different weight inside the military.
This was a politically motivated influence operation. It never named
a specific illegal order. It created ambiguity rather than clarity.
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It used carefully scripted, legal sounding language. It subtly reformed
military obedience around partisan distrust instead of established legal processes.
In the military. Vague rhetoric and ambiguity undermines trust, creates
hesitation in the chain of command, and erodes cohesion. The
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military already has clear procedures for handling unlawful orders. It
does not need political actors injecting doubt into an already
clear chain of command. As veterans of various sorts, the
seditious six knew exactly what they were doing, so in
doubt through a politically motivated influence operation. I want you
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to imagine for a moment during the eight years of
Obama in which all sorts of controversial foreign policy actions
were taken. Can you imagine if people on the right
urged individuals in the military to disobey orders, you would
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never have heard the end of it. Everybody knows that
Trump is the commander in chief, and everybody knows that
the commander in chief has broad discretion in the use
of the American milistic in the what the left has
never accepted is Trump's legitimacy. By now taking this to
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the military, they have the potential of upsetting the entire
apple cart. If the military doesn't have chain of command
where you have to do what you're told, we don't
have a military. Can you imagine on D Day if
people have the notion that you can question orders. One
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other point that I want to make, there's this constant
from the left changing of the subject or the things
that they go after Trump on, in part because nothing
ever sticks. It's this, then it's that, then it's the
other thing, and then it's off to this, and now
we're going to go after the military and tell them
to disobey orders. It doesn't stop, but it has the
cumulative effect of creating unnecessary chaos. None of it is
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aimed at addressing actual problems. In the meantime, the actual,
most grotesque disobedience of orders is when Joe Biden's administration
for four years refused to enforce the law and allowed
individuals by the millions to come into the country illegally.
That was the mass ignoring of orders at ignoring of
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the law, and that was done by Democrats who continue
to argue that Biden had the discretion to do whatever
it is that he wanted, and that's an instance in
which we clearly know what the law was. You can't
come into the United States illegally, and they allowed people
and mass to do it. Best case scenario, they told
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him to show up for hearing that would be scheduled
ninety seven years from now. I know it's only Wednesday
that they were releasing the podcast, but the football weekend
starts early, so we're going to do our weekly football
preview and points spread picks next on the Markedelling podcast.
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This is the podcast. We're doing our weekly football preview
and points spread picks a little bit earlier in the
midwek podcast because of the Thanksgiving week. The Packers play
on Thanksgiving Day and so on. I'm joined by Mike
marlettef American Sports Analysts in Madison asawins dot com. Normally
you'll tell me it's too early in the week to
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know what's going on, but with Thanksgiving week and three
NFL games tomorrow, maybe you do have a handle on
what's going on with ASA. Is there anything you'd like
to share with the audience, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
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Speaker 2 (39:00):
Okay, wow, And I want to applaud you for not
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Black Friday, Black Friday. I'm sick of Black Friday. And
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some first of all college football for this weekend. Let's
start with Minnesota and Wisconsin, which has suddenly become a
really interesting game. The Badgers have turned their season around.
They've now beaten two ranked teams in the last three weeks.
Their defense is as good as any in the country.
The fans have now made it a habit of running
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the field. I guess that's what happens when you start
so terrible. At the beginning of the year. They play Minnesota,
which is a traditional rivalry game. They play for the axe,
you know, Wisconsin and one that acts a zillion years
in a row. Minnesota has had it for two seasons
in a row. Luke Fickel has never When I watched
the end of the Wisconsin Illinois game, a game in
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which Wisconsin just dominated Illinois defensively and played well enough
on offense, I just thought, let down, they're going to
phone it in against Minnesota. But Wisconsin does have something
to play for here, given you know that that ax
is a big thing, they do seem emotionally have turned
the corner. But Minnesota is a pretty good team. Give
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you give me your thoughts on this game.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, this is an interesting matchup. First of all, like
you said, Minnesota's won as of recent They've won three
or the last four years. Prior to that, Wisconsin had
won sixteen of the previous seventeen years, so they had
dominated for well.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
I had said that they can just keep the ax
in Madison, but that's finally turned around a bit.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yeah, and even in Minnesota. Wisconsin's won nine in the
last ten meetings in Minnesota, so they've even been successful
in Minnesota. Lowest total on the board in college football
this week thirty seven and a half LSU. Oklahoma's close again.
Two really good defenses, too bad offenses. Basically, in this situation,
I really wish for Wisconsin's sake this game was being
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played in Madison, because Minnesota's got one of the most
drastic home road dichotomies in the country. They're six and
zero at home. They've won by an average of eight
points per game at home. They're zero to four on
the road and lost man average of twenty five points
per game on the road. They're just a bad road team.
Interesting thing in this game, Mark the line opened three
two and a half Minnesota and it got knocked down
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to one and a half. So the money coming in
on Wisconsin in this game, and there's an outside outside chance.
So Wisconsin wins this game, they could go to a
bowl game. I don't think it's gonna happen, but they
they go down to five and seventeams. If there's not
enough six.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah, if they're not enough six and six, they grab
five and seven teams in Wisconsin, ending strong could get
one of them. End. You know, those lesser bawls become
so goofed up because guys go into the transfer portal
and you don't know who's gonna play, and half the
coaches are gone. But Luke Fikel did say, if we're
invited to, we're gonna go. We're never going to turn
out a chance to play a game. I think it's unlikely.
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But more important than that is if they can win
the season by beating Minnesota. You can't say that it's
a successful season, but you can certainly say that the
second half of the season ended on a major upnoe.
I think Wisconsin turned the season around in a loss
when they went to Oregon and held Oregon to twenty
eight points twenty one for most of the game. I
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thought that that was the turnaround for their season and
the game against Illinois. Illinois has a really good offense
and a good quarterback and they were just overwhelmed by
Wisconsin's defense, including you know, a senior lineman Peterson, who
had not shown much all season was just dominant. They
got one of their linebackers back to other linebackers real quickly.
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Have you heard whether or not Mason Posea, the superstar
freshman linebacker, will play. He got knocked out at the
end of the Illinois game. He's a really important key
to Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yeah, no, they don't know. As as of earlier today,
it's still questionable. I might be a game time thing,
So as of now, I don't know, but there is
a chance he's gonna play.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
In that game. Now, let's turn our attention to Ohio
State Michigan. This is another game that's about as interesting
as it gets. Ohio State is either the best or
the second best team in the country. Indiana's right up there.
I guess with them. Ohio State won the national championship
last year. They have killed everybody they played. I think
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their closest game was Week one against Texas and that
was fourteen to seven, but that was a dominant fourteen
to seven. They've slaughtered everybody. Michigan this year does not
have much of an offense at all, decent defense, but
you have this Michigan. Since Ryan Day has been the
coach of Ohio State, Michigan has Ohio State's number. Last year,
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when Ohio State won the National championship, they lost at
home to Michigan, and the Ohio State I swear they
still wanted to fire Ryan Day even though they won
a national championship. I mean, it's just the most bizizre
thing in a weirdo fact with these Ohio State fans
that they seem to care more about winning this game
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and whether or not they won a national championship. Ohio
State's favorite in the game by ten points because they're
way better, but it's at Michigan, and Ohio State has
had a just incredibly difficult time beating Michigan even when
they're better. But you know that's the past, and part
of me thinks that becomes the motivation is really on
the side of Ohio State. I mean, they've been thinking
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about this game for a clear year after what happened
last year. They're the way better team. Part of me
thinks that they could go into Michigan and get this
monkey off their back and really smoke them and hit
into the game next week with against Indiana. What do
you think.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
There's a couple things on this game. First of all,
like you mentioned Michigan's won four games in a row
against Ohio State, and they've outscored Ohio State by forty
six points in those four games. Yet they've been an
underdog in three of those four games, so they've really
Last year they were eighteen point underdog and won the
game and mission and Ohio State was playing to the
Big Ten championship game. The one thing that worries me
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a little bit about Ohio State you mentioned it, They've
had zero adversity this year in the Big Ten. They've
won every game by eighteen points or more. What happens
if this game's a seven point three point game in
the fourth quarter. They haven't had any of that this year.
None of it. Might get a little tight in that situation.
They played an easy Big Ten schedule. The last four
teams mark are seven and twenty five combined in the
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Big Ten. There are three good wins in the Big
Ten were Illinois, who's not very good, Minnesota who's not
very good, in Washington, so they haven't played a great
situation as far as the Big Ten goes. Another thing here,
if we want to just quickly look at the Big
Ten championship scenarios, same situation last year Ohio Ohio State's
in the playoffs. If they lose this game, it doesn't matter.
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I'm not saying they wouldn't want to win this game,
but they're in no matter what. Then they don't have
to play in the Big Ten Championship game. That happened
last year and they went on to win the national championship.
Michigan's only chance to be in the playoffs is to
win this game, and then they probably got to win
the Big Ten ship.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
If Ohio State loses, they missed the tiebreaker and they're
not in the title game. Correct or Nope, So it
would be Indiana versus Oregon.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Maybe it would be so if Ohio State loses and
Oregon wins, it would be Indiana Oregon. If Ohio State
loses and Washington beats Oregon, then it's Michigan Indiana in
the champions So Michigan's still has a chance to make
the Big Ten Championship and they have to win this
game to have a chance at the playoffs. Great game.
The line actually dropped. It opened eleven eleven and a
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half down to ten, So they've had some money coming
in on Michigan, probably just because of what's happened in
the last four seasons.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
I want to turn my attention to another thing that's
going on. First of all, the college football calendar is
all screwed up. Sports. You college sports aren't now pro sports,
but in other sports, free agency begins, coaching changes occur
at the end of the season. In baseball, you can't
sign a team's free agent until after the World Series
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is over. But in football, the transfer portal opens before
the playoff games and before the ball games are played.
And with so many teams firing coaches, there are no
coaches that are jumping to other jobs before the season
is over. The most bizarre case of all is Mississippi.
Mississippi is almost certainly going to be in the college
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football playoffs. They play their art rival Mississippi State this weekend.
Their coach, Lane Kiffen is apparently going to quit before
they play a playoff game. He's rumored to be up
for the LSU job, the Florida job, He's openly courting
all of these other schools. The school itself has said,
we'll make an announcement after this game. I think Mississippi
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is fed up with it and would just as soon
get him out of there. It's just unheard of that
a coach would leave. Well, they're still alive for a
national championship. What do you make of all of this?
Speaker 3 (47:58):
That's crazy situation. First, first of all, that the NCAA
did a little bit to change the transfer so the
transfer portal doesn't officially open un till January second this year.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
But the transfer portal say, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Been going on during the season. I mean, that's that's
the way it is. But yeah, interesting situation. Egg Bowl,
huge game. Mississippi State would like nothing better to beat
Ole Miss and Mississippi State if they win, they go
to a bowl game. If they lose and they don't,
so that's a huge game for Mississippi State Ole Miss
with distractions. I mean, if you look at the odds
in Vegas right now, the chances of him coming back
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to Ole Miss aren't good. They're six to one. He's
a favorite minus two hundred, which means you'd have to
lay two hundred to win one hundred if you bet
on him being the next LSU head coach. So there's
a good chance he'll be the LSU head coach and
leave before the chance before the playoffs, which is like
you said, it's unheard of.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I don't even know capable of higher a coach that
isn't a drama queen. I mean, you had Brian Kelly,
you had ed Ojeron, who's half nuts. Before you had that,
you had less miles, And now they're going to go
to Lane Kiffen, who he could just as easily go
jump to another. I mean, when people start griping at
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college players for hitting the transfer portal and not showing loyalty,
give me a break. You have coaches that are willing
to walk out on their team in the middle of
a season when they're chasing a national championship. I mean,
and if Kiffen does take the job at LSU, there's
no way he's going to stick around and coach Mississippi
for five weeks. I mean, Mississippi needs for recruit It's
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just a mess, And I don't know. The problem in
college boards is it's not a league like the NFL
or Major League Baseball. The NCAA only has limited rulemaking powers,
and these schools can do pretty much what they want,
and they're all in competition with one another and total mess.
Let's turt our attention to the NFL. I think the
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most interesting game of the weekend is the very very
first game, the early Thanksgiving game, in which the Packers
play the Lions. It's in Detroit, it's on a short week,
but the Packers come into the game off of one
of their most impressive wins of the season. The Lions
come into the game off of a very unimpressive win
over the Giants, a game that they may well have lost.
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Detroit's record on these Thanksgiving games, I think over the years,
is it all that good Packers won earlier in the season.
What do you I don't know what to think about
the Packers and the Lions. I think the Lions are
a slight favorite, which makes sense to me, even I'm
not sure. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Yeah, the line opened three and dropped off the key
number to two and a half. The Lions are faired
by two and a half. Right now, Let's face it,
neither team's playing great. I mean they're both two and
two of their last four games. Green Bay beat the
Giants in Minnesota during that stretch. Detroit's two and two
of their last four games. They lost to Minnesota at home.
Should have lost last weekend home to the Giants, so
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they're not playing that well either. You mentioned Minnesota on Thanksgiving.
I think a lot of people just think they're good
on Thanksgiving. Detroita thanks one, yeah, oh sorry, you try.
And Thanksgiving they're one and seven the last eight years
on Thanksgiving, and if you go back twenty years, they're
five and fifteen on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
It's so colored intuit if you think a short week
in the early game that having that home field would
be an advantage. Though some of those years Detroit wasn't
any good, but in recent years they've been very good,
and they lose that game all the time. And the
Packers have won that game a few times over the years,
they've lost it. They've played Detroit of this game many
times down through the years. Famously, I think it was
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in nineteen sixty two the only loss the Packers had
the entire season was on Thanksgiving Day to the Lions.
That was probably Vince Lombardi's best team. Brings back some
history in the game. So I think it's toss up.
Is that where you're you're coming down?
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Yeah? The line came out three, which is basically say
both teams are even and they get a three point advantage.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
At home.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
That's what I think. I think that's where it is.
I'd probably favor Detroit a little bit at two and
a half, but they're just not playing that well. The
situation favors Detroit if green Bay this is there. It's
a short week on the road. This is green Bay's
fourth game in seventeen days, so basically a game every
four days, whereas Detroit's fourth game in twenty two days
and they're at home. I'd lean Detroit, but it's probably
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a game we're not going to use. I don't think
Detroit's playing that well right now, so we'll probably lay
off it.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Bears and the Eagles, that's the other game I want
to talk about. Two really interesting teams. The Eagles some
weeks look really really really good other weeks not the Bears.
I don't know if everybody's aware of this, but this
blows my mind. The Bears are eight and three, but
they've been outscored on the season. That is almost impossible.
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That means they've lost the three games that they've lost
by more combined than the total win margin in the
eight games that they've won. They you know, they did
it again last week. They beat Pittsburgh in a close game.
They would all these close games they come from behind.
They now have to go on the road playing the
Eagles in an important game for Philadelphia. Philadelphia's defense has
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been very good, the offense has been inconsistent. The Eagles
are favored by a lot of points. Given that the
Bears have the better record of the game. I think
almost everybody thinks this is the week that the Bears
get smoked.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Do you well, it's an interesting situation. Well, you mentioned
the Bears. They have a negative point differential and a
negative yards per play differential and they're the number three
seed right now in the NFC.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Paul says that they're both eight and three. I thought
that Philadelphia had was one last poor.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
But they have the same record anyway, eight and three,
and Philadelphia is the number two seed and they're getting
out gained of the season. Only have a thirty point
plus thirty point point differential. That's eleventh in the NFL.
So both teams are kind of weird in that situation.
The Eagles are, you know, that's a scary game for
the Bear. The Eagles were up twenty one to zip
last week on the Cowboys and lost, so that's a
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this is a big game for them. Bears finally won
a game where they weren't dominant turnover margin. It was
an even turnover margin last week against the Steelers, and
they won.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Finally.
Speaker 3 (54:19):
Here's what the odds makers think of these teams. Mark
First of all, Chicago's eight and three. They've been an
underdog in seven of their eleven games this season, and
they're eight and three. They've never been favored by more
than four and a half points the entire season. The
Eagles are also eight and three, and they've been a
favorite in every game except Green Bay. So the odds
makers obviously think the Eagles are much better, which is
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why the line's seven in this game. If you look
at the playoff picture right now again, Eagles are two
in the NFC, Bears are three. Whoever wins this game
is number two and the losers number three. If it
ended right now today, the Packers would go to Chicago
in the first round of the playoffs and the Lions
would be out of the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
So they play the Bears three times in about seven weeks.
If that this is going to just shake up a lot.
There are so many divisional games backloaded in the schedule
and so on. Okay, that's a little football preview. We're
now going to get some points spread picks.
Speaker 3 (55:13):
And I.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Managed last week to not lose for the first time
in five weeks. They didn't win either. I got fortunately,
got a good line in the Arizona Jacksonville game. I
took the Cardinals getting three points and they lost by three.
Let's see. I like Mike's pick of Hawaii over UNLV.
They were a three point underdog and they got smoked
by twenty eight points. And Paul was fortunate enough he
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got a good line too. That was the Bears over
the Steelers. The Bears won the game by three points.
They were favored at the time we did our show
by two and a half. So he got to win.
Football games of course, start on Thanksgiving Day. For those
of you who listen to the podcast after the fact,
we're doing this one on the Wednesday of Thanksgiving week. Paul,
you get to go first. He wants to go both
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the over under and the point spread on the Bears
and the Eagles. Let's see here. Yeah, and I didn't
mention the Bears and the Eagles play on Friday. Yeah,
it is weird and it's just part of the NFL
screwing with college football. There's a zillion college football games.
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The NFL just wants to play a game every week.
That's the whole thing that they've got going. The Eagles
are favored by seven and the total is forty four
and a half. Paul's taking the Bears. I just don't know,
which is why one of the reasons I brought it
up with Mike. I don't Paul thinks the Bears are better. Well,
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I mean the Eagles coach is a super Bowl winner.
I mean, well last year he didn't he didn't want
his brain fell out in the off season. Yeah, Paul says,
they're always in the games at the end. Yeah, I
just it. The Bears are a tough team for me
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to analyze. Usually teams in the situation like this losing
point differential despite an eighty three record, it just catches
up with you and you crushed down the stretch. But
the year that the Bears went to the Super Bowl,
the year that Devin Hester ran the kickback against the coast,
it was all year. It just never stopped until after
that kickoff return in the Super Bowl. On the other end,
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if you look at the numbers. Philadelphia's offense is ranked
low and their defense is ranked low. But visually when
I see them play, they look very good. And as
Mike said, for two and a half quarters, they just
were dominant of Dallas. I just don't know. I don't
know that we need to go to Mike for an
analysis because we just talked about that game in some depth.
So let's get a point spread pick for Mike. Which
game or games do you want to hear about.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
Let's start in college. I'm to look at the UAB
Tulsa game to start. That's number three eighty nine, three ninety.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I already know who you're gonna pick. Let's see three
eighty nine, three ninety. That game is at Tulsa. Tulsa
is favored by eight and a half over UAB. That's
in the American Association Conference.
Speaker 3 (58:17):
Yeah. I don't like land points the teams that aren't great,
but I'm taking Tulison there.
Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah, I agree with you on that. Tulsa the end
of the season, they're not any good, but they've ended
the season well. UAB got rid of trend dil for
earlier in the season. He's the worst coach in college football.
I think, and I'm guessing this is what you're gonna
go on. Tulsa now has something to play for. They
feel good about themselves, and UAB is in a mess.
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The whole team's going to hit the portal, the coaches
that are there are all going to leave, and and
Tulsa has some momentument you had be's defense and just
their atrocious I hope I didn't steal all your points
because I know you'll have a lot more.
Speaker 3 (58:52):
No, you you hit on some of them. But you're right.
I mean UAB has lost seven of the last eight games.
The only one they won was the weekend after they
fired Trent del for which happens a lot.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
It does happen a lot. It's weird, but it happens
a lot.
Speaker 3 (59:05):
It's weird NFL and college just it happens. I don't
know why it happens when it happens. So you got
to keep that in mind. So they're not playing well.
They just play back to back home games and lost.
It's a meaningless road game for them. Like you said,
Tulsa now beat Oregon State at home handily. They want
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at Army last week, which is pretty impressive. So they're
playing well, and the UAB team is in there in disarray.
I don't know if you saw. I mean they had
a guy on their team, a defensive lineman, stabbed two teammates.
Speaker 2 (59:38):
Yeah, they a guy tried to kill two of his
teammates before the game, and they didn't even usually like
you'll cancel the game. They just went ahead and played
the game. Dissension. I've never heard of somebody trying to
kill two of his teammates on game day.
Speaker 3 (59:53):
I mean, he's charged with attempted murder. He's on the team.
And they considered not playing their home game last week
again USF. They lost by thirty, but they decided to
play it because the two players are in stable condition.
The two players that he stabbed aren't going to.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Die so well in the school, didn't want to give
up the revenue because the game was not going to
be replayed, and so on. I mean, you're you're right.
They are a mess. The problem, of course, is that
tuls is not that good, but you but they they
have improved. They played two pretty good games in a
didn't They just upset someone last week? Last week at Army,
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which is a tough place to win, and they put
up some points, and Army's defense is pretty good. So
I don't even know who Telsea's coaches, but it looks
like he's turning the program around over there. Who is
their coach?
Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
You know, I can't think of it off the top
of my head, No, Richardson, I can't.
Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
All Right, weird game that I'm not going to use
is my pick. But you don't see this often. We've
got a college football game this year in which the
teams are playing for a second time. The reason for
that is there's one conference. It has only two teams,
the PAC two, Oregon State and Washington State. So this
is the second time that they played this and that's
that's weird. Oregon State won the first game. Washington State's better,
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so everybody thinks Washington State's gonna kill Oregon State. Uh
in that game. But that's a weird anomaly of a game.
I gave serious thought to taking Ohio State in the
game that Mike and I were talking about, in part
because wait, I just Michigan is winning so many close
games and the offense is getting better. They have Underwood,
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the highly touted freshman quarterback, and Mike points out Ohio
State hasn't played anybody. That's true, but they just seem
so dominant when they play. I'm just not gonna fight
that trend though of Ohio State crapping every year. In
this game, there was another game I looked at that
we get underneath Mike's skin. I think this is the
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way to play Hawaii. They put they play Wyoming, Wyoming
has to go to Hawaii. They're not gonna pay any
of it. Wyoming's offense is life Wisconsin. They just can't
do anything. And I think Hawaiians the season with a win.
But I just there's another game that I want to
go to, and that's the game between Colorado and Kansas State. Now,
Kansas State's in a tricky situation. Last week, they went
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on the road to Utah, and Utah is a really
good team and they had him beat. They were way
ahead in the game and Utah came from behind to
win fifty one to forty seven in a wild game.
Kansas State comes home, they're five and six. That means
they need to win to be ball eligible. And the
key to this is they're playing Colorado. The whole Dion
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Sanders thing has become a train wreck out there. Colorado
is terrible. They just lost two home games in a row.
They lost it home to Arizona last week by twenty
five points. There's you talk about bad chemistry on the team.
It's just a mess, and people don't know if Dion's
going to be back. He's not going to be fired
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because he's biot is through the roof, but he might
just instead of continuing to humiliate himself, cite his health
because he's got all sorts of health issues and leave.
My only concern is that Kansas State may be drained
by what happened last week. There are also rumors that
the coach of Kansas State might be in trouble. But
I do think I'm laying sixteen and a half here.
I think Kansas State can beat Colorado because Colorado's been
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losing by seventeen or more every single week. They put
in one decent game against I think West Virginia a
couple of weeks ago, otherwise they're getting slaughtered. Also, Colorado
does have a tremendous freshman quarterback, Juju Lewis. He hadn't
played all year. He did get put into the game
last week. Dion Sanders has said he will not play
in this game because they want to keep his red
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shirt status so he keeps all of his years of eligibility.
I actually think that that was probably the quarterback saying
I don't want to play in this game, and Dion
being forced to put up with it. So I'm going
to take Kansas State to win by seventeen or more.
That line's bopped around, and when it moved underneath seventeen
in our service scores and odds, that's where I landed.
But I had lots of ideas, and by the way,
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I don't have a single idea the NFL, so I
was only on college games. Do you have any thoughts
in that game? I just think Kansas State's a much
better team. I admit you have to worry about a
team that just went through the ringer of a game,
but that was a road game and they are back
home against a team that just appears to not be
any good, with a disconnected coaching staff and lack of
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motivation and all of that. What do you think.
Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Yeah, my guess is that game is going to be
above seventeen by the time they play, So that game's
probably going to move up.
Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
On the service we use. It was seventeen and a
half yesterday and they went down to sixteen and a
half and it's been flopping around all over the place.
I just the only fear I have is that it's
too obvious, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Yeah, I mean it's a big line. Colorado's lost three
of their last four games like twenty five points or more.
And the thing that I like about this game again
is last week, if you looked, Kansas State out played
to Utah on the road, which Utah has pretty much
creamed everyone at home, with the exception of Texas Tech.
And they Kansas State in that game rushed for all
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almost five hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
They had one guy run for two ninety three and
Colorado is terrible against the run. I mean, that was
another thing that I looked, just looked at. I think
if Kansas State can get a lead, they're just going
to grind them down. Now, Kansas State's quarterback has been
very good, but he's struggled a bit the last couple
of weeks. But the running games got really good. And
Colorado's defense is poor and their run defense is especially poor.
Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Yeah, wells as they were running for four hundred and
seventy two yards last week on Utah Colorado against Arizona
State gave up three hundred and fifty five yards rushing
right week. So it's it's supposed to be cold and
windy and snowy possibly there, which would actually benefit Kansas
State because Colorado can't run, if they can't pass because
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it's wendy, They're in huge trouble in that game.
Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Okay, recapping the picks real quickly, Paul says, take the
Bears a seven point underdog against the Eagles. Mike. Mike says,
Tulsa to beat UAB by nine or more and I
need Kansas State to be Lorado by seventeen or more points.
Click note on scheduling. We do have another podcast this week.
It will be released on Friday afternoon because tomorrow it's Thanksgiving.
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Friday afternoon, right around two o'clock or so in the afternoon.
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I want to open today's podcast by reminding you of
a lawsuit that was filed a few days ago. It's
gotten a fair amount of attention. The families of two
young people who committed suicide are suing chat GPT. Chat
GPT is by far the largest search engine premise on
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artificial intelligence. The individuals who committed suicide have been asking
chat gpt about suicide and suicidal thoughts. Now, as I
say it's artificial intelligence, they call these things chatbots. In
other words, it's robotic, it's based on program I'm thinking.
And the response is that chat GPT gave them, didn't
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do anything to talk to them out of suicide. It
essentially validated their suicidal thoughts. We understand why you feel
like this, etc. So lawsuits are being filed here that
rather than use common sense, chat GPT showed no sense whatsoever.
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I'm going somewhere with this. Chat ept is based on
automated learning, all sort of sorts of inputting what are
we saying now to all the young people in our
society who are screwed up or delusional or have bad thoughts,
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instead of knocking them into reality and telling them to
stop thinking this way, all we're doing is validating artificial
intelligence only knows what it's been told. There is a
story in the news right now that I think relates
to this directly, and I haven't heard anybody make this point,
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has waived extradition. She's back in Wisconsin from Illinois. I'm
guessing that a lot of you have seen the video
(02:54):
of her arrest in post in Illinois from the body
cameras of the police officers down there. I'm assuming you've
seen it right. Yeah, everybody's seen. This is a young
woman now twenty three, who about a decade ago, talked
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a friend of hers into attempting to kill Their goal
was to kill a classmate. They're bout fourteenth time. The
idea was to kill the classmate. Less than that, actually
kill the classmate to please this slender bad somebody that
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they actually thought was real, some sort of fictional hero.
Until a few months ago, Morgan Geyser has been in
a statemental facility. That's where she's been sentenced. A judge
earlier in the year ruled she's cured enough to be released.
(04:05):
She had been in a halfway house in Madison wearing
a GPS bracelet. We know now quite a bit about
what happened. She met somebody even more screwed up than her,
apparently at a church. The guy's name is Chad Mecca.
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He's a biological male, and he's a lot older than her.
He's transitioning, or at the very least considers himself trans
She was dabbling in that herself. At one of her
quarter herings earlier in the year, she declared that she's
a male. She no longer declares that way. She's cut
(04:49):
her hair short, she's got a name that could be
male or female. And now she's made a friend with
a guy who's starting to identify the other way, who's
a lot older than her. According to the reports, he
was visiting her at the halfway house and would sneak
in through a window and together they must have made
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this plot that she's going to bust out. She cut
off the bracelet and got to pose in Illinois, which
is a little bit south of the Chicago metro area.
They were found by police kind of laying around outside,
apparently out of money, no real plan in mind. The
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body cam video is I thought it was sort of heartbreaking.
Here you have two they're just misfits. You've got this
older guy who's apparently deciding that he's going to be
a woman. He's got the goofiest hair. He's got like
short hair, but then he grows it a little bit
long and dyes it pink. And here's her. She was
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screwed up, and she thought of Fittle character was real,
so real that she was taking instructions in the fictional
character to kill a friend. She then spends about a
decade in a mental institution. She gets out. She has
no friend, she has no connections, she has no anything.
She meets this guy, another odd ball. The two odd
balls bond and they make this run for it. In
the bodycam video, when the posing Illinois police encountered, they
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didn't know how she was. There's just two people that
are sleeping in the backyard on the backside of a building,
and they question her and she doesn't want to give
up her identity. She doesn't want to give her up
her identity because of course there's a war dout for
her because she fled Wisconsin, so she's not giving her identity,
not giving her identity and referring to this Chad Mecca
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as she and kept saying she didn't know who I was.
She didn't know who I was, She didn't know who
I was. Trying to make sure that this Chad doesn't
get in trouble for fleeing with somebody who's not supposed
to flee. My guess is he probably didn't know what
she had done. Bumped into her halfway house. She may
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have come up with something and probably didn't fess up
and said, yeah, I tried to stab a friend of
mine to death. She was pretty adamant about that and
everything else was true. She eventually gave her identification. The
cops kept saying, well, I don't think you wanted for
murder or anything like that. Well, in fact, it was
almost murder. It was attempted murder. And she kept saying
I did something very bad. She didn't know, And you
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see the two of them standing together, kind of like
hugging one another. My guess is that this is your
only friend of the world, and it's a fellow person
who's living outside any kind of any kind of anything
that we living outside of normal. I go back to
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the chat shept responses given to the people who are suicidal?
What kind of treatment has Megan more guys are been
getting all of these years. I'll tell you what I
suspect she's been getting. It's the same message that we're
sending to all the trans people in our society. You're
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perfectly fine validating every idiotic nincompoop choice that they can make,
instead of giving her tough love and telling her what's
real and what isn't and to get into the real
world and no, there's not a slender man, there's none
of this, there's none of that, and then telling her
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you're a young woman you're a girl, you're a young woman.
Every odd selection and choice she was making was probably
reinforced by the shrinks that win a bago when she
was up there. She gets released, her head is almost shaved. She's,
I guess, still a girl in her own mind. I
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have to think of that she's a guy and the
first person that she's a trans attracted to is a
male who's deciding that he's now a t They run off.
There's no real plan, there's no money. She just decides
that she's gonna bust out. She probably feels totally trapped
in the halfway house before the attempted slender man murder.
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What guidance did she get at home? Now? I get that, okay,
my kids into unusual things, and who am I to judge?
You're raising a murderer. Has anybody at any point in
Morgan Geyser's life tried to straighten her out by redirecting
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her to reality. We live in a world in which
the misfits have now validated their misfitness. There's nothing wrong.
I'm okay, you're okay. Well you're not okay. You're miserably
unhappy and you're dysfunctional. I don't believe everyone in psychiatry
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and counseling is a quack, but I think a lot
of them are. Some of them their own lives are
more screwed up than the people that they're treating. I
think Morgan Geyser has been victimized by bad guidance her
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entire life. You heard her, I mean, I think she's
probably still dangerous because she's not tethered to any reality.
But I can't honestly say it's her own fault. When
you saw her in the video, she just seemed like
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a nice, mixed up kid who finally found somebody that
she could bond with. Another misfit in society, pink hair
coming off of a crew cut, a mail hanger. We
can't live in a world in which we try to
put every round circle into a square box. But there
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are certain things that people are doing that are never
going to lead to happiness, And instead of telling them
that it's okay, maybe we need to go back to
understanding that a lot of the attitudes and beliefs and
weirdnesses that people have are actual problems that they need
to be talked out of, not have reinforced. I don't
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think the people at Winnebago have done. Morgan, guys are
a damn bit of good. How good they She's acting
just as weird as she did ten years ago when
she thought that slender Man wanted her to kill somebody.
How could we even say that that's her fault. Imagine
you're a kid and you know you don't fit in,
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so you decide to dabble in really weird stuff and
you start believing weird things. Nobody talks you out of it,
nobody sits you down. You don't have any parents who
try to redirect you in any kind of proper way
toward right and wrong and morality and God. Then you
do something terrible and they punish you forward and you
go to a mental institution. And what did they ever
do to redirect her? We know this, there's probably not
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a moment that she was exposed to any religion whatsoever.
We do know that she went to a church in
Madison when she was at the Halfway House. That's at
least good. But who does she meet this She meets
this guy, and again I don't know what kind of
a church it is. Is it one of these wicked
churches or is it a legitimate church?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
It.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Everybody on the left considers us bigots if we try
to suggest that people are behaving weirdly, how are you
helping them? Telling people no, telling people not, telling people no,
don't do this to your life, and directing them toward
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a path that might find actual long term fulfillment. We
don't do any of that anymore. As for this Chad Mecca,
they released him in Illinois on no charges, and it
doesn't sound to me like he did anything illegal. Did
he know that she's not alive? I mean she cut
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an ankle bracelet on an electronic monitoring bracelet. Off probably
knew that. Did he know what she did? Don't know that?
Does he know the rules on her? I'm guessing she
didn't fess up to it. This looks like another just
sad case of somebody not fitting in, and instead of
being told no, you're a guy, decides that he's a woman.
Figured maybe I'll be happier as a woman because I'm
completely miserably unhappy, can't find anybody to connect with. So
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he sees another sad soul to people who have nothing
going on in their lives, so they attach and they bond.
Who are we helping with all of this, I'll contend nobody.
I want to move to another story that I find related.
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I've had an opinion for years, and I love this one.
You know, people like me will have these opinions based
on anecdotal eleven are quack. You don't know anything about this,
and then years later you start to see the consensus
moving around in that direction. This is a major story
that appeared earlier in the week in the Wall Street Journal.
When I say major, it goes on and on and
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on and on. It's a hell of a story. The
story is reporting on what it states is overwhelming evidence
of a link between kids who are put on the
ADHD pills becoming long term drug addicts. The story reports
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that young people who are prescribed ADHD medication are far
more likely to become a day did to hard narcotics
later in life for many kids. Hey, this is the headline.
For many kids. Add ADHD pills kick off a drug cascade.
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Children prescribed met the medication often wind up on other
powerful drugs. Again, I'm not saying that none of these
drugs have a use. You've got these kids that have
attention deficit disorder and they put them on the riddle
in on the whole thing. But does anybody ever write
any of this, think about the long haul? How do
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they get off? And given that the only normal that
they then have for the first you know, fifteen to
the first twenty years of their life, is this normal
under medication, they have to gravitate to more medication. They've
never lived a non medicated moment in their lives, maybe
from seven years old on. I've been on this repeatedly.
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We're going to come to the conclusion about pot and
the same thing. There are so many cases of people
on pot becoming extremely violent. I think that there's a
link between pot and the people who want to do
trans I think the pot is so powerful that it's
make the linking pot and schizophreny is real. Again, it
doesn't mean everybody uses pot, gets said, but it is
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a side effect that is there. I don't know this,
but I would not be shocked if Morgan Geyser was
popping pills before a slender Man occurred, and that they
were popping her pills right and left when she was
in the shrink house up there in Oshkosh. And again,
these pills are helpful for many people. But go back
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to COVID. I kept preaching against one size fits all,
and then we know with regard to these kids, that
some of these kids sell the pills that they get
and then the dosage thing, take one a day every day,
the same amount every day. You think that that's what's
actually going on in life. These pills are dealing with
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the chemicals that are affecting your brain and move jay.
What could go wrong? And again I'm not indicting them overall,
and not indicting everyone that prescribes them. But when you
take a look at the lot of the problems that
we have with the lack of motivation and the tendency
towards violence, and the level of depression, and people that
seem to have every I mean, the millennials, they thought
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that they were being raised in the worst generation in
American history. Went by every measure you could imagine, it
was the best. How were they feeling so screwed up?
Is it because they were all on some kind of pill.
And now they've got a bunch of hucksters out there
telling use cannabis, use this, use that after the ADHD pills,
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and then when the pot doesn't do enough, then it's
the opioids, that it's the myth. Anyway, it was like
Cranks and the Right questioning this over the years because
we were noticing, well, something's going on, what's causing it?
If I had more time in this segment and I don't,
I talk about the things that must be leading us
forward autism, I think it's all connected. My point now
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is the Wall Street Journal, which is about as conventional
thinking as you can find, they're now on this story.
I hope RFK lasts in his job because I think
that he's somebody open minded enough to be willing to
explore things like this. But if you go back and
take a look at every dysfunction we have, it's the drugs,
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the drugs that drugs, the drugs, and I'm not talking
crack and all of that stuff. I mean drugs that
are sold legally by big Pharma, big Farmer. You know
how much money they're making off of Riddlin and the
classes of drugs like like the Riddlin. They have every
reason dot to tell you that they're perfectly fine, no
side effects, nothing to worry about it. In the same
way that that's the message that they gave us with
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regard to COVID and the same region that they talk
us off of generic drugs that don't cost much of anything.
But I get that they're the drug companies. They're in
it to make a buck. They want to tell you
that the pill that we're selling is good and this
one or this cheap one over here is no good.
The rest of us in society have no particular reason
to accept them as gospel. You have too many doctors
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that are on the path of the drug companies because
of the incentives that they're giving for prescribing, and then
the people that are in the public health field easily swayed.
Every kid is mixed up. I mean, when I was
a kid, it wasn't the crappy mean things that people
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post on the internet about. You know what, I think
you're probably the same thing when people when kids are
mean to one another in the sixth or seventh grade,
what were they doing and what form did that bullying
take place? You're gonna you get close to these things
and then get farther away. You're like the golfer. You're
(19:57):
twelve feet away from the hole, and you may the
putt and you get to four feet and now you
got to tap in but you hit it two hundred
and now it's seven feet and you just kick you
getting farther and farther away. It was no Remember the
notes that were passed in the class the notes, the notes,
the notes. You don't you didn't have that in your
school all. You don't recall that. Well, maybe that was
already open the time you were in there. The girls
had passed notes like in the fifth and sixtory notes,
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this one's this it you know whoshi and you know
the notes notes, notes, because there's nothing else to communicate,
and you couldn't. Maybe by the time you were in school,
you could just out and out talk right in the classroom,
so they didn't have to pass the notes. So, I mean,
kids pressure. Every kid thinks that the thing that they're
facing is the end of the world. I mean, why
would a fifteen year old commit suicide? You got seventy
five eighty years of life in front of your things
(20:42):
to get better. Do you ever just think it's so worse.
I'm just glad they didn't have some pill that somebody
would have thought of to give me. Who knows. We
prescribe things without ever considering the long term ramification of
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them because we don't know the long term because they're
mostly new. But if you're looking for why things that
never existed really before are so common, now, ask yourself
what changed. You will inevidently find that somebody was making
a buck off the thing that changed, and that the
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media and the left was shilling for that bad thing
to this day. I don't know if the COVID vaccines
were any good or I still don't know, But if
in fifteen to seventeen years everybody's immune system is going
to be shot, I think you can cook back and say, well,
maybe we shouldn't have been messing with our immune system,
(21:46):
or maybe we should. But whenever anybody tries to ask
any questions, I'm sure the same thing happened when the
Riddlin and all this stuff was being prescribed right and left.
Parents were just told this is what your kid needs,
this is what your kid needs. In some cases maybe
it was, but I know dog gone well that in
many cases it wasn't. You don't know anything. Who are
(22:08):
you to question? You're listening to the Markdelling podcast. This
is the Mark Belling Podcast. Interesting column on the Wall
Street Journal by Jason Riley. He's dealing with the juggling
act that President Trump is trying to perform. Trump ran,
(22:34):
as we all know, Mega America first, now, he asked
the governor, and going back to a discussion point that
I made in the earlier segment, one size fits all.
Trump is also somebody who just prides himself on common sense,
and sometimes his common sense idea doesn't fit in with
(22:56):
the mega doctrinaire ideology. The point of this column deals
with the H one B visus. I want to share
a portion of it. And by the way, I agree
with Trump. I think that we need H one B
visas for specific jobs in our economy, that we do
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not have enough Americans with the skills to perform them.
I disagree with the people who say that we do.
I think it's apparent that we don't. You have the
CEO of Ford come out and say that they're are
from one hundred twenty thousand dollars a year for mechanics.
By the way, people heard that and they think that
I'm talking about people who work in the audio. No,
the mechanics who work at the factory, in other words,
(23:40):
high skill mechanics. Of course we have a shortage of them.
But boy o boy ol boy do. We do not
have a shortage of people who majored in women's studies
in college and every other kakamaimi thing for which they're
so jobs. Here's the Jason Riley piece. He writes, it
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has become unfashionable on the political right to say nice
things about foreign nationals, even the ones who came here lawfully.
Just ask Donald Trump, who has struggled to convince the
megabase that legal immigration is a net benefit to America.
To America, welcome to my world, mister President. Part of
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the problem has been White House inconsistency on the issue.
Trump's position on illegal immigration isn't in doubt, but he
can seem indecisive, even self contradictory when discussing migration policies
for those who play by the rules. Last year, for example,
he sided with Elon Musk, a staunch proponent of the
H one B work visa program typically used by foreign
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professionals and fields such as engineering, technology, and medicine. Musk
said he would go to war to defend migration for
skilled workers. Quote the reason I'm in America along with
so many critical people who build SpaceX, Texla, Tesla and
others or of other companies that made America strong is
(25:08):
because of H one B, Musk wrote in a social
media post in December. Trump soon after told The New
York Post that he too has quote always been in
favor of the program. Now it goes on. I want
to make the following point. The problem with H one
B visas is I think they're wrong in some fields
but needed in others. It's the same problem with wholesale
(25:31):
legal immigration. For example, when we start resettling legally so
called refugees from countries in which the people hate the
United States, I think the visa should be applied. This
is me now for people who are working in fields
in which they have a skill that we need, but
not for anybody else. So again, is legal immigration good.
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It depends. Things do depend And I think that Trump
is trying to show some common sense here and say, Okay,
we need H one B visas for text, but maybe
we don't need to take in a zillion more refugees
from Somalia who want to come to the United States
and change everything that we have going on in our world.
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Back to the column was the White House suggesting that
hiring practices of the president's own businesses undercut the wages
and employment opportunities of US workers, and threat in national security.
It's hard to tell. What we do know is that
since signing the order, Trump has made several statements in
support of immigrant labor. The piece goes on and then
points out that this is unsettling to some in MAGA world. Now,
(26:38):
the thing about MEGA is MEGA is about ninety million people,
and they have different views on all sorts of things.
All you though have to do is talk to an
employer who owns a business or as part of charge
of hiring in a business that can't find qualified workers.
At a time in which the economy seems to be slowly,
(27:01):
we have shortages in any number of areas for all
sorts of reasons. I'll add a point that nobody ever adds. Again,
the pot is a big part of this. Many of
the fields in which their shortages are fields the drug test,
because you can have somebody operating high tech equipment or
(27:22):
dangerous machinery when they're stoned. You have so many Americans,
and in so many states where they've legalized the pot,
that they've made themselves either ineligible or don't desire to
go into the fields in which they're going to be
drug tested. In the meantime, the behind the scenes of
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the Trump administration following post on social media, Susie Wiles
reportedly on the hot seat is Trump's chief of staff.
Susie Wiles, who was his campaign manager, is clearly and
you saw when she was in the champaign. Susie Wiles
is the person that tried to keep Trump focused. And
I'm sure Susie Wills right now was the one that
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is trying to keep all the mega types away from Trump.
I talk a lot about how Trump is his own
good cop, bad cop and dealing with others, but in
terms of his own staff, he needs a chief of
staff who's going to be the bad cop. Many people feel, however,
that Trump and I recall the same thing happened with
Reagan's a saying in the Reagan administration, Let Reagan be Reagan.
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Reagan had two sets of advisors in his administration. He
had kind of the true believer, a true believer California
conservatives who came with him, and then he had the
pragmatic James Baker types who were more traditional Republicans, and
a lot of conservatives are frustrated that Reagan was wandering
off too much into the middle and into the pragmatic
because he was listening to these old school of Washington advisors.
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My own opinion is the chief of staff a chief
of staff that Trump hass has to block off both sides.
You don't want him going all Washington. On the other hand,
you don't want him to go all Marjorie Taylor Green.
We still do have a country to run. I listen
to some of the things that Tucker Carlson says, and
I think that he's lost his marbles. Trump spending too
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much time on foreign policy. What he's supposed to let
the world go to hell. There's no reason why you
can't do both. What We're not better off if there's
a peace deal in the Middle East, we're not better off.
If he can finally bring peace to Ukraine and Russia,
of course we're better off. And it certainly affects us.
A world going to hell affects us badly. So you've
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got Trump in here, who I think is just hell
bent on being a successful president, and he realizes that
some things you can't always be stridently ideological on because
as I said earlier, it does depend We have tens
of millions of Americans who know how to play computer
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video games that don't have a clue as to how
to do software coding. The shortages in that field are incredible.
Walk past one of the big downtown Milwaukee higher office
high rises. You know who works on the hi rise?
To the tech people?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Do?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I mean? I live near Northwestern Mutual. You can't tell
everybody's ethnicity from them walking down the street, but it
surely looks like a lot of people from India are there.
Why are they hiring people from India? Who else is
going to do all of these jobs? All the people
that have three hundred thousand dollars in student loan debt
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while they're running around with their English literature major, they're
social work majors? Or are they just flunked out and
they're not trained at anything. Let me turn my attention
to the Democratic lawmakers that are encouraging American troops to
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disobey illegal orders. The FBI is now beginning a criminal
investigation into this couple of things with regard to this story.
I know what they're up to the Left is trying
to sow chaos in this country. You can't have the
military not follow the order of the president. You can't
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have the military not follow any orders. There is a
law in this country, or at least a standard, that
the troops are not to follow illegal orders. This is
tested during the Mayli massacre and other things. What illegal
orders did the six Democrats refer to? They didn't say.
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The reason they didn't say is Trump hasn't issued any
illegal orders. Unless the Supreme Court rules that something can't
be done, the order is perceived to be legal. Some
interesting comments extended threads on social media from Pete Heg Sith,
the Secretary of Defense. Get that here first, it's in
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the Department of War, of course, Haig Sith is the Secretary.
The Department of War has received serious allegations of misconducting
against Captain Mark Kelly. Kelly is the Senator from Arizona.
But he's a retired naval officer. By the way, retire
doesn't mean you can do whatever you want, as they'll
point out, in accordance with the Uniform Code of Military
Justice and then it mentions the Codecitation number and other
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applicable regulations. A thorough review of these allegations has been
initiated to determine further actions which may include recall to
active duty for court martial proceedings or administrative measures. This
matter will be handled in compliance with my military law,
insuring due process and impartiality. Further official comments will be
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limited to preserve the integrity of the proceedings. Then from
Hegsas the video made by the seditious Sex was despicable, reckless,
and false. Encouraging our warriors to ignore the orders of
their commanders undermines every aspect of good order and discipline.
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Their foolish screen shows doubt and confusion, which only puts
our warriors in danger. Five of the six individuals in
that video do not fall under the Department of War jurisdiction. Kelly,
of course does as announced. The Department is reviewing his
statements and actions, which were addressed directly to all troops
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while explicitly using his rank and service affiliation, lending the
appearance of authority to his words. Kelly's conduct brings this
credit upon the armed forces and will be addressed appropriately.
And then a day later from Hesith the despicable video
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ordering telling troops to refuse illegal orders may seem harmless
to civilians, but it carries a different weight inside the military.
This was a politically motivated influence operation. It never named
a specific illegal order. It created ambiguity rather than clarity.
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It used carefully scripted, legal sounding language. It subtly reformed
military obedience around partisan distrust instead of established legal processes.
In the military. Vague rhetoric and ambiguity undermines trust, creates
hesitation in the chain of command, and erodes cohesion. The
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military already has clear procedures for handling unlawful orders. It
does not need political actors injecting doubt into an already
clear chain of command. As veterans of various sorts, the
seditious six knew exactly what they were doing, so in
doubt through a politically motivated influence operation. I want you
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to imagine for a moment during the eight years of
Obama in which all sorts of controversial foreign policy actions
were taken. Can you imagine if people on the right
urged individuals in the military to disobey orders, you would
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never have heard the end of it. Everybody knows that
Trump is the commander in chief, and everybody knows that
the commander in chief has broad discretion in the use
of the American milistic in the what the left has
never accepted is Trump's legitimacy. By now taking this to
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the military, they have the potential of upsetting the entire
apple cart. If the military doesn't have chain of command
where you have to do what you're told, we don't
have a military. Can you imagine on D Day if
people have the notion that you can question orders. One
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other point that I want to make, there's this constant
from the left changing of the subject or the things
that they go after Trump on, in part because nothing
ever sticks. It's this, then it's that, then it's the
other thing, and then it's off to this, and now
we're going to go after the military and tell them
to disobey orders. It doesn't stop, but it has the
cumulative effect of creating unnecessary chaos. None of it is
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aimed at addressing actual problems. In the meantime, the actual,
most grotesque disobedience of orders is when Joe Biden's administration
for four years refused to enforce the law and allowed
individuals by the millions to come into the country illegally.
That was the mass ignoring of orders at ignoring of
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the law, and that was done by Democrats who continue
to argue that Biden had the discretion to do whatever
it is that he wanted, and that's an instance in
which we clearly know what the law was. You can't
come into the United States illegally, and they allowed people
and mass to do it. Best case scenario, they told
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him to show up for hearing that would be scheduled
ninety seven years from now. I know it's only Wednesday
that they were releasing the podcast, but the football weekend
starts early, so we're going to do our weekly football
preview and points spread picks next on the Markedelling podcast.
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This is the podcast. We're doing our weekly football preview
and points spread picks a little bit earlier in the
midwek podcast because of the Thanksgiving week. The Packers play
on Thanksgiving Day and so on. I'm joined by Mike
marlettef American Sports Analysts in Madison asawins dot com. Normally
you'll tell me it's too early in the week to
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know what's going on, but with Thanksgiving week and three
NFL games tomorrow, maybe you do have a handle on
what's going on with ASA. Is there anything you'd like
to share with the audience, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Well I will Mark. They can go to our website
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Speaker 2 (39:00):
Okay, wow, And I want to applaud you for not
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Black Friday, Black Friday. I'm sick of Black Friday. And
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some first of all college football for this weekend. Let's
start with Minnesota and Wisconsin, which has suddenly become a
really interesting game. The Badgers have turned their season around.
They've now beaten two ranked teams in the last three weeks.
Their defense is as good as any in the country.
The fans have now made it a habit of running
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the field. I guess that's what happens when you start
so terrible. At the beginning of the year. They play Minnesota,
which is a traditional rivalry game. They play for the axe,
you know, Wisconsin and one that acts a zillion years
in a row. Minnesota has had it for two seasons
in a row. Luke Fickel has never When I watched
the end of the Wisconsin Illinois game, a game in
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which Wisconsin just dominated Illinois defensively and played well enough
on offense, I just thought, let down, they're going to
phone it in against Minnesota. But Wisconsin does have something
to play for here, given you know that that ax
is a big thing, they do seem emotionally have turned
the corner. But Minnesota is a pretty good team. Give
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you give me your thoughts on this game.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, this is an interesting matchup. First of all, like
you said, Minnesota's won as of recent They've won three
or the last four years. Prior to that, Wisconsin had
won sixteen of the previous seventeen years, so they had
dominated for well.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
I had said that they can just keep the ax
in Madison, but that's finally turned around a bit.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yeah, and even in Minnesota. Wisconsin's won nine in the
last ten meetings in Minnesota, so they've even been successful
in Minnesota. Lowest total on the board in college football
this week thirty seven and a half LSU. Oklahoma's close again.
Two really good defenses, too bad offenses. Basically, in this situation,
I really wish for Wisconsin's sake this game was being
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played in Madison, because Minnesota's got one of the most
drastic home road dichotomies in the country. They're six and
zero at home. They've won by an average of eight
points per game at home. They're zero to four on
the road and lost man average of twenty five points
per game on the road. They're just a bad road team.
Interesting thing in this game, Mark the line opened three
two and a half Minnesota and it got knocked down
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to one and a half. So the money coming in
on Wisconsin in this game, and there's an outside outside chance.
So Wisconsin wins this game, they could go to a
bowl game. I don't think it's gonna happen, but they
they go down to five and seventeams. If there's not
enough six.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah, if they're not enough six and six, they grab
five and seven teams in Wisconsin, ending strong could get
one of them. End. You know, those lesser bawls become
so goofed up because guys go into the transfer portal
and you don't know who's gonna play, and half the
coaches are gone. But Luke Fikel did say, if we're
invited to, we're gonna go. We're never going to turn
out a chance to play a game. I think it's unlikely.
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But more important than that is if they can win
the season by beating Minnesota. You can't say that it's
a successful season, but you can certainly say that the
second half of the season ended on a major upnoe.
I think Wisconsin turned the season around in a loss
when they went to Oregon and held Oregon to twenty
eight points twenty one for most of the game. I
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thought that that was the turnaround for their season and
the game against Illinois. Illinois has a really good offense
and a good quarterback and they were just overwhelmed by
Wisconsin's defense, including you know, a senior lineman Peterson, who
had not shown much all season was just dominant. They
got one of their linebackers back to other linebackers real quickly.
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Have you heard whether or not Mason Posea, the superstar
freshman linebacker, will play. He got knocked out at the
end of the Illinois game. He's a really important key
to Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yeah, no, they don't know. As as of earlier today,
it's still questionable. I might be a game time thing,
So as of now, I don't know, but there is
a chance he's gonna play.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
In that game. Now, let's turn our attention to Ohio
State Michigan. This is another game that's about as interesting
as it gets. Ohio State is either the best or
the second best team in the country. Indiana's right up there.
I guess with them. Ohio State won the national championship
last year. They have killed everybody they played. I think
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their closest game was Week one against Texas and that
was fourteen to seven, but that was a dominant fourteen
to seven. They've slaughtered everybody. Michigan this year does not
have much of an offense at all, decent defense, but
you have this Michigan. Since Ryan Day has been the
coach of Ohio State, Michigan has Ohio State's number. Last year,
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when Ohio State won the National championship, they lost at
home to Michigan, and the Ohio State I swear they
still wanted to fire Ryan Day even though they won
a national championship. I mean, it's just the most bizizre
thing in a weirdo fact with these Ohio State fans
that they seem to care more about winning this game
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and whether or not they won a national championship. Ohio
State's favorite in the game by ten points because they're
way better, but it's at Michigan, and Ohio State has
had a just incredibly difficult time beating Michigan even when
they're better. But you know that's the past, and part
of me thinks that becomes the motivation is really on
the side of Ohio State. I mean, they've been thinking
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about this game for a clear year after what happened
last year. They're the way better team. Part of me
thinks that they could go into Michigan and get this
monkey off their back and really smoke them and hit
into the game next week with against Indiana. What do
you think.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
There's a couple things on this game. First of all,
like you mentioned Michigan's won four games in a row
against Ohio State, and they've outscored Ohio State by forty
six points in those four games. Yet they've been an
underdog in three of those four games, so they've really
Last year they were eighteen point underdog and won the
game and mission and Ohio State was playing to the
Big Ten championship game. The one thing that worries me
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a little bit about Ohio State you mentioned it, They've
had zero adversity this year in the Big Ten. They've
won every game by eighteen points or more. What happens
if this game's a seven point three point game in
the fourth quarter. They haven't had any of that this year.
None of it. Might get a little tight in that situation.
They played an easy Big Ten schedule. The last four
teams mark are seven and twenty five combined in the
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Big Ten. There are three good wins in the Big
Ten were Illinois, who's not very good, Minnesota who's not
very good, in Washington, so they haven't played a great
situation as far as the Big Ten goes. Another thing here,
if we want to just quickly look at the Big
Ten championship scenarios, same situation last year Ohio Ohio State's
in the playoffs. If they lose this game, it doesn't matter.
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I'm not saying they wouldn't want to win this game,
but they're in no matter what. Then they don't have
to play in the Big Ten Championship game. That happened
last year and they went on to win the national championship.
Michigan's only chance to be in the playoffs is to
win this game, and then they probably got to win
the Big Ten ship.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
If Ohio State loses, they missed the tiebreaker and they're
not in the title game. Correct or Nope, So it
would be Indiana versus Oregon.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Maybe it would be so if Ohio State loses and
Oregon wins, it would be Indiana Oregon. If Ohio State
loses and Washington beats Oregon, then it's Michigan Indiana in
the champions So Michigan's still has a chance to make
the Big Ten Championship and they have to win this
game to have a chance at the playoffs. Great game.
The line actually dropped. It opened eleven eleven and a
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half down to ten, So they've had some money coming
in on Michigan, probably just because of what's happened in
the last four seasons.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
I want to turn my attention to another thing that's
going on. First of all, the college football calendar is
all screwed up. Sports. You college sports aren't now pro sports,
but in other sports, free agency begins, coaching changes occur
at the end of the season. In baseball, you can't
sign a team's free agent until after the World Series
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is over. But in football, the transfer portal opens before
the playoff games and before the ball games are played.
And with so many teams firing coaches, there are no
coaches that are jumping to other jobs before the season
is over. The most bizarre case of all is Mississippi.
Mississippi is almost certainly going to be in the college
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football playoffs. They play their art rival Mississippi State this weekend.
Their coach, Lane Kiffen is apparently going to quit before
they play a playoff game. He's rumored to be up
for the LSU job, the Florida job, He's openly courting
all of these other schools. The school itself has said,
we'll make an announcement after this game. I think Mississippi
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is fed up with it and would just as soon
get him out of there. It's just unheard of that
a coach would leave. Well, they're still alive for a
national championship. What do you make of all of this?
Speaker 3 (47:58):
That's crazy situation. First, first of all, that the NCAA
did a little bit to change the transfer so the
transfer portal doesn't officially open un till January second this year.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
But the transfer portal say, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Been going on during the season. I mean, that's that's
the way it is. But yeah, interesting situation. Egg Bowl,
huge game. Mississippi State would like nothing better to beat
Ole Miss and Mississippi State if they win, they go
to a bowl game. If they lose and they don't,
so that's a huge game for Mississippi State Ole Miss
with distractions. I mean, if you look at the odds
in Vegas right now, the chances of him coming back
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to Ole Miss aren't good. They're six to one. He's
a favorite minus two hundred, which means you'd have to
lay two hundred to win one hundred if you bet
on him being the next LSU head coach. So there's
a good chance he'll be the LSU head coach and
leave before the chance before the playoffs, which is like
you said, it's unheard of.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I don't even know capable of higher a coach that
isn't a drama queen. I mean, you had Brian Kelly,
you had ed Ojeron, who's half nuts. Before you had that,
you had less miles, And now they're going to go
to Lane Kiffen, who he could just as easily go
jump to another. I mean, when people start griping at
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college players for hitting the transfer portal and not showing loyalty,
give me a break. You have coaches that are willing
to walk out on their team in the middle of
a season when they're chasing a national championship. I mean,
and if Kiffen does take the job at LSU, there's
no way he's going to stick around and coach Mississippi
for five weeks. I mean, Mississippi needs for recruit It's
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just a mess, And I don't know. The problem in
college boards is it's not a league like the NFL
or Major League Baseball. The NCAA only has limited rulemaking powers,
and these schools can do pretty much what they want,
and they're all in competition with one another and total mess.
Let's turt our attention to the NFL. I think the
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most interesting game of the weekend is the very very
first game, the early Thanksgiving game, in which the Packers
play the Lions. It's in Detroit, it's on a short week,
but the Packers come into the game off of one
of their most impressive wins of the season. The Lions
come into the game off of a very unimpressive win
over the Giants, a game that they may well have lost.
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Detroit's record on these Thanksgiving games, I think over the years,
is it all that good Packers won earlier in the season.
What do you I don't know what to think about
the Packers and the Lions. I think the Lions are
a slight favorite, which makes sense to me, even I'm
not sure. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Yeah, the line opened three and dropped off the key
number to two and a half. The Lions are faired
by two and a half. Right now, Let's face it,
neither team's playing great. I mean they're both two and
two of their last four games. Green Bay beat the
Giants in Minnesota during that stretch. Detroit's two and two
of their last four games. They lost to Minnesota at home.
Should have lost last weekend home to the Giants, so
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they're not playing that well either. You mentioned Minnesota on Thanksgiving.
I think a lot of people just think they're good
on Thanksgiving. Detroita thanks one, yeah, oh sorry, you try.
And Thanksgiving they're one and seven the last eight years
on Thanksgiving, and if you go back twenty years, they're
five and fifteen on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
It's so colored intuit if you think a short week
in the early game that having that home field would
be an advantage. Though some of those years Detroit wasn't
any good, but in recent years they've been very good,
and they lose that game all the time. And the
Packers have won that game a few times over the years,
they've lost it. They've played Detroit of this game many
times down through the years. Famously, I think it was
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in nineteen sixty two the only loss the Packers had
the entire season was on Thanksgiving Day to the Lions.
That was probably Vince Lombardi's best team. Brings back some
history in the game. So I think it's toss up.
Is that where you're you're coming down?
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Yeah? The line came out three, which is basically say
both teams are even and they get a three point advantage.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
At home.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
That's what I think. I think that's where it is.
I'd probably favor Detroit a little bit at two and
a half, but they're just not playing that well. The
situation favors Detroit if green Bay this is there. It's
a short week on the road. This is green Bay's
fourth game in seventeen days, so basically a game every
four days, whereas Detroit's fourth game in twenty two days
and they're at home. I'd lean Detroit, but it's probably
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a game we're not going to use. I don't think
Detroit's playing that well right now, so we'll probably lay
off it.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Bears and the Eagles, that's the other game I want
to talk about. Two really interesting teams. The Eagles some
weeks look really really really good other weeks not the Bears.
I don't know if everybody's aware of this, but this
blows my mind. The Bears are eight and three, but
they've been outscored on the season. That is almost impossible.
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That means they've lost the three games that they've lost
by more combined than the total win margin in the
eight games that they've won. They you know, they did
it again last week. They beat Pittsburgh in a close game.
They would all these close games they come from behind.
They now have to go on the road playing the
Eagles in an important game for Philadelphia. Philadelphia's defense has
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been very good, the offense has been inconsistent. The Eagles
are favored by a lot of points. Given that the
Bears have the better record of the game. I think
almost everybody thinks this is the week that the Bears
get smoked.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Do you well, it's an interesting situation. Well, you mentioned
the Bears. They have a negative point differential and a
negative yards per play differential and they're the number three
seed right now in the NFC.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Paul says that they're both eight and three. I thought
that Philadelphia had was one last poor.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
But they have the same record anyway, eight and three,
and Philadelphia is the number two seed and they're getting
out gained of the season. Only have a thirty point
plus thirty point point differential. That's eleventh in the NFL.
So both teams are kind of weird in that situation.
The Eagles are, you know, that's a scary game for
the Bear. The Eagles were up twenty one to zip
last week on the Cowboys and lost, so that's a
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this is a big game for them. Bears finally won
a game where they weren't dominant turnover margin. It was
an even turnover margin last week against the Steelers, and
they won.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Finally.
Speaker 3 (54:19):
Here's what the odds makers think of these teams. Mark
First of all, Chicago's eight and three. They've been an
underdog in seven of their eleven games this season, and
they're eight and three. They've never been favored by more
than four and a half points the entire season. The
Eagles are also eight and three, and they've been a
favorite in every game except Green Bay. So the odds
makers obviously think the Eagles are much better, which is
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why the line's seven in this game. If you look
at the playoff picture right now again, Eagles are two
in the NFC, Bears are three. Whoever wins this game
is number two and the losers number three. If it
ended right now today, the Packers would go to Chicago
in the first round of the playoffs and the Lions
would be out of the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
So they play the Bears three times in about seven weeks.
If that this is going to just shake up a lot.
There are so many divisional games backloaded in the schedule
and so on. Okay, that's a little football preview. We're
now going to get some points spread picks.
Speaker 3 (55:13):
And I.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Managed last week to not lose for the first time
in five weeks. They didn't win either. I got fortunately,
got a good line in the Arizona Jacksonville game. I
took the Cardinals getting three points and they lost by three.
Let's see. I like Mike's pick of Hawaii over UNLV.
They were a three point underdog and they got smoked
by twenty eight points. And Paul was fortunate enough he
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got a good line too. That was the Bears over
the Steelers. The Bears won the game by three points.
They were favored at the time we did our show
by two and a half. So he got to win.
Football games of course, start on Thanksgiving Day. For those
of you who listen to the podcast after the fact,
we're doing this one on the Wednesday of Thanksgiving week. Paul,
you get to go first. He wants to go both
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the over under and the point spread on the Bears
and the Eagles. Let's see here. Yeah, and I didn't
mention the Bears and the Eagles play on Friday. Yeah,
it is weird and it's just part of the NFL
screwing with college football. There's a zillion college football games.
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The NFL just wants to play a game every week.
That's the whole thing that they've got going. The Eagles
are favored by seven and the total is forty four
and a half. Paul's taking the Bears. I just don't know,
which is why one of the reasons I brought it
up with Mike. I don't Paul thinks the Bears are better. Well,
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I mean the Eagles coach is a super Bowl winner.
I mean, well last year he didn't he didn't want
his brain fell out in the off season. Yeah, Paul says,
they're always in the games at the end. Yeah, I
just it. The Bears are a tough team for me
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to analyze. Usually teams in the situation like this losing
point differential despite an eighty three record, it just catches
up with you and you crushed down the stretch. But
the year that the Bears went to the Super Bowl,
the year that Devin Hester ran the kickback against the coast,
it was all year. It just never stopped until after
that kickoff return in the Super Bowl. On the other end,
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if you look at the numbers. Philadelphia's offense is ranked
low and their defense is ranked low. But visually when
I see them play, they look very good. And as
Mike said, for two and a half quarters, they just
were dominant of Dallas. I just don't know. I don't
know that we need to go to Mike for an
analysis because we just talked about that game in some depth.
So let's get a point spread pick for Mike. Which
game or games do you want to hear about.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
Let's start in college. I'm to look at the UAB
Tulsa game to start. That's number three eighty nine, three ninety.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I already know who you're gonna pick. Let's see three
eighty nine, three ninety. That game is at Tulsa. Tulsa
is favored by eight and a half over UAB. That's
in the American Association Conference.
Speaker 3 (58:17):
Yeah. I don't like land points the teams that aren't great,
but I'm taking Tulison there.
Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah, I agree with you on that. Tulsa the end
of the season, they're not any good, but they've ended
the season well. UAB got rid of trend dil for
earlier in the season. He's the worst coach in college football.
I think, and I'm guessing this is what you're gonna
go on. Tulsa now has something to play for. They
feel good about themselves, and UAB is in a mess.
(58:40):
The whole team's going to hit the portal, the coaches
that are there are all going to leave, and and
Tulsa has some momentument you had be's defense and just
their atrocious I hope I didn't steal all your points
because I know you'll have a lot more.
Speaker 3 (58:52):
No, you you hit on some of them. But you're right.
I mean UAB has lost seven of the last eight games.
The only one they won was the weekend after they
fired Trent del for which happens a lot.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
It does happen a lot. It's weird, but it happens
a lot.
Speaker 3 (59:05):
It's weird NFL and college just it happens. I don't
know why it happens when it happens. So you got
to keep that in mind. So they're not playing well.
They just play back to back home games and lost.
It's a meaningless road game for them. Like you said,
Tulsa now beat Oregon State at home handily. They want
(59:25):
at Army last week, which is pretty impressive. So they're
playing well, and the UAB team is in there in disarray.
I don't know if you saw. I mean they had
a guy on their team, a defensive lineman, stabbed two teammates.
Speaker 2 (59:38):
Yeah, they a guy tried to kill two of his
teammates before the game, and they didn't even usually like
you'll cancel the game. They just went ahead and played
the game. Dissension. I've never heard of somebody trying to
kill two of his teammates on game day.
Speaker 3 (59:53):
I mean, he's charged with attempted murder. He's on the team.
And they considered not playing their home game last week
again USF. They lost by thirty, but they decided to
play it because the two players are in stable condition.
The two players that he stabbed aren't going to.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Die so well in the school, didn't want to give
up the revenue because the game was not going to
be replayed, and so on. I mean, you're you're right.
They are a mess. The problem, of course, is that
tuls is not that good, but you but they they
have improved. They played two pretty good games in a
didn't They just upset someone last week? Last week at Army,
(01:00:27):
which is a tough place to win, and they put
up some points, and Army's defense is pretty good. So
I don't even know who Telsea's coaches, but it looks
like he's turning the program around over there. Who is
their coach?
Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
You know, I can't think of it off the top
of my head, No, Richardson, I can't.
Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
All Right, weird game that I'm not going to use
is my pick. But you don't see this often. We've
got a college football game this year in which the
teams are playing for a second time. The reason for
that is there's one conference. It has only two teams,
the PAC two, Oregon State and Washington State. So this
is the second time that they played this and that's
that's weird. Oregon State won the first game. Washington State's better,
(01:01:05):
so everybody thinks Washington State's gonna kill Oregon State. Uh
in that game. But that's a weird anomaly of a game.
I gave serious thought to taking Ohio State in the
game that Mike and I were talking about, in part
because wait, I just Michigan is winning so many close
games and the offense is getting better. They have Underwood,
(01:01:27):
the highly touted freshman quarterback, and Mike points out Ohio
State hasn't played anybody. That's true, but they just seem
so dominant when they play. I'm just not gonna fight
that trend though of Ohio State crapping every year. In
this game, there was another game I looked at that
we get underneath Mike's skin. I think this is the
(01:01:48):
way to play Hawaii. They put they play Wyoming, Wyoming
has to go to Hawaii. They're not gonna pay any
of it. Wyoming's offense is life Wisconsin. They just can't
do anything. And I think Hawaiians the season with a win.
But I just there's another game that I want to
go to, and that's the game between Colorado and Kansas State. Now,
Kansas State's in a tricky situation. Last week, they went
(01:02:11):
on the road to Utah, and Utah is a really
good team and they had him beat. They were way
ahead in the game and Utah came from behind to
win fifty one to forty seven in a wild game.
Kansas State comes home, they're five and six. That means
they need to win to be ball eligible. And the
key to this is they're playing Colorado. The whole Dion
(01:02:32):
Sanders thing has become a train wreck out there. Colorado
is terrible. They just lost two home games in a row.
They lost it home to Arizona last week by twenty
five points. There's you talk about bad chemistry on the team.
It's just a mess, and people don't know if Dion's
going to be back. He's not going to be fired
(01:02:53):
because he's biot is through the roof, but he might
just instead of continuing to humiliate himself, cite his health
because he's got all sorts of health issues and leave.
My only concern is that Kansas State may be drained
by what happened last week. There are also rumors that
the coach of Kansas State might be in trouble. But
I do think I'm laying sixteen and a half here.
I think Kansas State can beat Colorado because Colorado's been
(01:03:15):
losing by seventeen or more every single week. They put
in one decent game against I think West Virginia a
couple of weeks ago, otherwise they're getting slaughtered. Also, Colorado
does have a tremendous freshman quarterback, Juju Lewis. He hadn't
played all year. He did get put into the game
last week. Dion Sanders has said he will not play
in this game because they want to keep his red
(01:03:37):
shirt status so he keeps all of his years of eligibility.
I actually think that that was probably the quarterback saying
I don't want to play in this game, and Dion
being forced to put up with it. So I'm going
to take Kansas State to win by seventeen or more.
That line's bopped around, and when it moved underneath seventeen
in our service scores and odds, that's where I landed.
But I had lots of ideas, and by the way,
(01:03:58):
I don't have a single idea the NFL, so I
was only on college games. Do you have any thoughts
in that game? I just think Kansas State's a much
better team. I admit you have to worry about a
team that just went through the ringer of a game,
but that was a road game and they are back
home against a team that just appears to not be
any good, with a disconnected coaching staff and lack of
(01:04:19):
motivation and all of that. What do you think.
Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Yeah, my guess is that game is going to be
above seventeen by the time they play, So that game's
probably going to move up.
Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
On the service we use. It was seventeen and a
half yesterday and they went down to sixteen and a
half and it's been flopping around all over the place.
I just the only fear I have is that it's
too obvious, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Yeah, I mean it's a big line. Colorado's lost three
of their last four games like twenty five points or more.
And the thing that I like about this game again
is last week, if you looked, Kansas State out played
to Utah on the road, which Utah has pretty much
creamed everyone at home, with the exception of Texas Tech.
And they Kansas State in that game rushed for all
(01:05:00):
almost five hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
They had one guy run for two ninety three and
Colorado is terrible against the run. I mean, that was
another thing that I looked, just looked at. I think
if Kansas State can get a lead, they're just going
to grind them down. Now, Kansas State's quarterback has been
very good, but he's struggled a bit the last couple
of weeks. But the running games got really good. And
Colorado's defense is poor and their run defense is especially poor.
Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Yeah, wells as they were running for four hundred and
seventy two yards last week on Utah Colorado against Arizona
State gave up three hundred and fifty five yards rushing
right week. So it's it's supposed to be cold and
windy and snowy possibly there, which would actually benefit Kansas
State because Colorado can't run, if they can't pass because
(01:05:44):
it's wendy, They're in huge trouble in that game.
Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Okay, recapping the picks real quickly, Paul says, take the
Bears a seven point underdog against the Eagles. Mike. Mike says,
Tulsa to beat UAB by nine or more and I
need Kansas State to be Lorado by seventeen or more points.
Click note on scheduling. We do have another podcast this week.
It will be released on Friday afternoon because tomorrow it's Thanksgiving.
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We will be releasing the final podcast of the week
Friday afternoon, right around two o'clock or so in the afternoon.
Talk to that.
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